[Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating

Ed Kroposki rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:04:49 -0400


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Roger:
         Those of us using the IMF are loose footed. Is your standard =
main loose footed?
                                    Ed K
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Roger Pihlaja=20
  To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:23 AM
  Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating


  Alex,

  Yes, the effect of bending the mast & having a fully battened =
mainsail, which is cut to respond to mast bend, is in those PHRF ratings =
somewhere.  But, It's difficult to separate out the effects of =
individual changes.  I really couldn't do back-to-back comparisons =
between my present mainsail & my original partially battened standard =
mainsail, because the original was pretty much worn out when I bought =
the new mainsail.  Comparing an old worn out cruising mainsail with a =
new racing mainsail isn't a very useful exercise.  But, the =
seat-of-the-pants feeling between the two is like night & day.

  I had the backstay adjuster & standing rigging setup to be able to =
reproducibly bend the mast while I was still using the original =
mainsail.  Bending the mast had a noticible flattening effect on the =
original mainsail shape.  However, the sail cloth was so blown out that =
the point of maximum draft was too far aft no matter how much luff &/or =
foot tension I cranked in.  When the wind piped up, the point of maximum =
draft moved even farther aft, so the whole exercise became rather =
futile.  I don't know if a crispy new standard mainsail would behave =
better.  I suspect it requires full battens to really get control of the =
mainsail shape.

  If you take a mainsail, which has been designed to respond to mast =
bend, & lay it out on the ground, you will see the luff is not cut =
straight.  Instead of being straight, the luff bows outward in the =
middle.  When this curved luff sail is flown from a straight mast, this =
"extra" material from the curve allows the airfoil shape to get deeper =
just aft of the mast.  The sailmakers refer to this sail shape as having =
"deep draft" & it is what you want for light air performance.  Now, when =
the mast is bent, the "extra" material from the curved luff fills in the =
bend.  This results in the airfoil shape getting flatter, which =
desireable for heavy air performance.  My rig tuning procedure sets up =
the standing rigging to enable the backstay adjuster to simultaineously =
take the sag out of the forestay & flatten the mainsail shape as the =
wind speed picks up.  Thus, the backstay adjuster becomes a very =
important sail shaping control, almost like the flaps on an airplane. =20

  If someone has a standard mainsail, which is in good shape, & they are =
willing to loan it to me for a couple of weeks, I would be willing to do =
some back-to-back testing & report back to the list.

  Remember, none of this discussion has any relevance for those of you =
with IMF mainsails.  Don't try to bend your IMF mast or you may damage =
your IMF mainsail &/or the furling mechanism.   =20

  I used my old mainsail for a paint tarp once & then threw it away.  =
FYI, old sails don't even make good paint tarps.  Man are they ever =
slippery, especially if you ever get a fold of cloth where there is =
Dacron on Dacron!

  Alex, thanks for putting this whole rig tuning discussion into some =
kind of perspective.

  Roger Pihlaja
  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium





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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 24, 2002 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Rhodes22-list] Mast =
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  &amp; PHRF Rating</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Alex,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, the effect of bending the mast =
&amp; having=20
  a fully battened mainsail, which is cut to respond to mast bend, is in =
those=20
  PHRF ratings somewhere.&nbsp; But, It's difficult to separate out the =
effects=20
  of individual changes.&nbsp; I really couldn't do back-to-back=20
  comparisons&nbsp;between my present mainsail &amp;&nbsp;my=20
  original&nbsp;partially battened&nbsp;standard mainsail, =
because&nbsp;the=20
  original&nbsp;was pretty much worn out when I bought the new =
mainsail.&nbsp;=20
  Comparing an old worn out cruising mainsail with a new racing mainsail =
isn't a=20
  very useful exercise.&nbsp; But, the seat-of-the-pants feeling between =
the=20
  two&nbsp;is like night &amp; day.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I had the backstay adjuster &amp; =
standing=20
  rigging setup to be able to reproducibly bend the&nbsp;mast while =
I&nbsp;was=20
  still using the original mainsail.&nbsp; Bending the mast had a =
noticible=20
  flattening effect on the original mainsail shape.&nbsp; However, the =
sail=20
  cloth&nbsp;was so blown out that the point of maximum draft was too =
far aft no=20
  matter how much luff &amp;/or foot&nbsp;tension I cranked in.&nbsp; =
When the=20
  wind piped up, the point of maximum draft moved even&nbsp;farther aft, =
so the=20
  whole exercise became&nbsp;rather futile.&nbsp; I don't know if =
a&nbsp;crispy=20
  new standard mainsail would behave better.&nbsp; I suspect =
it&nbsp;requires=20
  full battens to really get control of the mainsail shape.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you take a mainsail, which has =
been designed=20
  to respond to mast bend, &amp; lay it out on the ground, you will see =
the luff=20
  is not cut&nbsp;straight.&nbsp; Instead of being straight, the luff =
bows=20
  outward in the middle.&nbsp; When this curved luff sail is flown from =
a=20
  straight mast, this "extra" material from the curve allows the airfoil =
shape=20
  to get deeper just aft of the mast.&nbsp; The sailmakers refer to this =
sail=20
  shape as having "deep draft" &amp; it is what you want for light air=20
  performance.&nbsp; Now, when the mast is bent, the "extra" material =
from the=20
  curved luff fills in the bend.&nbsp; This results in the airfoil shape =
getting=20
  flatter, which desireable for heavy air performance.&nbsp; My rig =
tuning=20
  procedure sets up the standing rigging to enable the backstay =
adjuster&nbsp;to=20
  simultaineously take the sag out of the&nbsp;forestay &amp; flatten =
the=20
  mainsail shape as the wind speed picks up.&nbsp; Thus, the backstay =
adjuster=20
  becomes a very important sail shaping control, almost like&nbsp;the =
flaps on=20
  an airplane.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If someone has a standard mainsail, =
which is in=20
  good shape, &amp; they are willing to loan it to me for a couple of =
weeks, I=20
  would be willing to do some&nbsp;back-to-back testing &amp; report =
back to the=20
  list.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Remember, none of this =
discussion&nbsp;has any=20
  relevance for those of you with IMF mainsails.&nbsp; Don't try to bend =
your=20
  IMF mast or you may damage your IMF mainsail &amp;/or the furling=20
  mechanism.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I used&nbsp;my old mainsail for a =
paint tarp once=20
  &amp; then threw it away.&nbsp; FYI, old sails don't even make good =
paint=20
  tarps.&nbsp; Man are they ever slippery, especially if you ever get a =
fold of=20
  cloth where there is Dacron on Dacron!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Alex, thanks for putting this whole =
rig tuning=20
  discussion into some kind of perspective.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Roger Pihlaja</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium</FONT></DIV>
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