[Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating

Roger Pihlaja rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Mon, 26 Aug 2002 06:08:31 -0400


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MessageMichael & Razz,

The mainsail on Tele 2 in the enclosed picture is definitely loose =
footed.  However, the mainsail on Stars & Stripes in the picture in the =
September, 2002 issue of SAIL magazine is definitely not loose footed.  =
This is probably an evolving area of design & the issue is not settled =
in the IACC.  I'm surprised the IACC sailmakers would even consider =
loose footed mainsails, but your picture clearly shows they are.  As I =
said in my previous post, I stand corrected on loose footed mainsails.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Michael Meltzer=20
  To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating


  http://www.tree.net.nz//dscgi/ds.py/Get/File-3889
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: David Rasberry=20
    To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
    Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:57 AM
    Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating


    Since they dropped the twelve meters.
    Check the pix

    Razz
      -----Original Message-----
      From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org =
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja
      Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 5:57 AM
      To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
      Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating


      Since when?
        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: David Rasberry=20
        To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
        Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 2:15 AM
        Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating


        IACC class (America's Cup) boats have loose footed mains.

        Razz
          -----Original Message-----
          From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org =
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja
          Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:01 PM
          To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
          Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating


          Richard,

          Bullshit!  To the best of my knowledge, there isn't a single =
performance oriented sailboat racing class that prefers to use loose =
footed mainsails.  I don't know why Doyle has made this marketing =
decision.  Fortunately, there are plenty of other choices of sailmakers =
& I would run, not walk, away from this idiot at Doyle.

          Roger Pihlaja
          S/V Dynamic eQuilibrium
            ----- Original Message -----=20
            From: R.G. Smith=20
            To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
            Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 2:46 PM
            Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating


            The mainsail on my boat is pretty much shot also.  My boat =
is a re-mfg 1990 and I insisted on the old style spars (non IMF) and the =
sail I have is all that Stan had.  I got in touch with Doyle regarding a =
new main the sail they suggust has 2 full length battens at the head and =
2 partial battens towards the foot.

            The sail they quoted was also loose footed!  When I =
expressed surprise I was told that (Doyle) was no longer building mains =
with bolt ropes along the foot.  There contention is that a loose footed =
sail set's better and last longer.

            Richard Smith

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Michael &amp; Razz,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The mainsail on Tele 2 in&nbsp;the=20
enclosed&nbsp;picture is definitely loose footed.&nbsp; However, the =
mainsail on=20
Stars &amp; Stripes in the picture in the September, 2002 issue=20
of&nbsp;<U>SAIL</U> magazine&nbsp;is definitely not loose footed.&nbsp;=20
This&nbsp;is probably an evolving area of design &amp; the issue is not =
settled=20
in the IACC.&nbsp; I'm surprised the&nbsp;IACC sailmakers&nbsp;would =
even=20
consider loose footed mainsails, but your picture&nbsp;clearly shows =
they=20
are.&nbsp; As I said in my previous post, I stand corrected on loose =
footed=20
mainsails.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Roger Pihlaja</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium&nbsp; =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 25, 2002 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
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  &amp; PHRF Rating</DIV>
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    <A title=3Dcinetics@acsinc.net =
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    Rasberry</A> </DIV>
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    <DIV><SPAN class=3D960084912-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
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    size=3D2>Since they dropped the twelve meters.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D960084912-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>Check the pix</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D960084912-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
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    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D960084912-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>Razz</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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      size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list-admin@rhod=
es22.org</A>=20
      [mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Roger =

      Pihlaja<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 25, 2002 5:57 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
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      Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending &amp; PHRF =
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      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since when?</FONT></DIV>
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        <A title=3Dcinetics@acsinc.net =
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        Rasberry</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
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        </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 25, =
2002 2:15=20
        AM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Rhodes22-list] Mast=20
        Bending &amp; PHRF Rating</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D930091406-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
        size=3D2>IACC class (America's Cup) boats have loose footed=20
        mains.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D930091406-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
        size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=3D930091406-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
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          size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
          =
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es22.org</A>=20
          [mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Roger=20
          Pihlaja<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:01=20
          PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
          =
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
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Rating<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Richard,</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bullshit!&nbsp; To the best =
of my=20
          knowledge, there isn't a single performance oriented sailboat=20
          racing&nbsp;class that prefers to use loose footed =
mainsails.&nbsp; I=20
          don't know why Doyle has made this marketing decision.&nbsp;=20
          Fortunately, there are plenty of other choices of=20
          sailmakers&nbsp;&amp; I would run, not walk, away from =
this&nbsp;idiot=20
          at Doyle.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Roger Pihlaja</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>S/V Dynamic =
eQuilibrium</FONT></DIV>
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            <DIV=20
            style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
            <A title=3Dsailnut@asan.com =
href=3D"mailto:sailnut@asan.com">R.G.=20
            Smith</A> </DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
            title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
            =
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
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            </DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, =
August 24, 2002=20
            2:46 PM</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Rhodes22-list]=20
            Mast Bending &amp; PHRF Rating</DIV>
            <DIV><BR></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
            class=3D718413818-24082002>The mainsail on my boat is pretty =
much shot=20
            also.&nbsp; My boat is a re-mfg 1990&nbsp;and I insisted on =
the old=20
            style spars (non IMF)&nbsp;and the sail I have&nbsp;is all =
that Stan=20
            had.&nbsp; I got in touch with Doyle regarding a new =
main&nbsp;the=20
            sail they suggust&nbsp;has 2 full length battens at the head =
and 2=20
            partial battens towards the foot.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
            class=3D718413818-24082002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
            class=3D718413818-24082002>The sail they quoted was also =
loose=20
            footed!&nbsp; When I expressed surprise I was told that =
(Doyle) was=20
            no longer building mains with bolt ropes along the =
foot.&nbsp; There=20
            contention is that a loose footed sail set's better and last =

            longer.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
            class=3D718413818-24082002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
            class=3D718413818-24082002>Richard Smith</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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