[Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
Ed Kroposki
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:06:11 -0400
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MessageRazz:
Maybe these guys are catching up to Stan???
Ed k
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From: David Rasberry=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:24 PM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
Roger,
IACC is an open development class. So the syndicates can pretty much =
do anything they want within the limits of the class rule. There have =
been some interesting innovations in rigging as well as hull and keel =
design for these boats. There does seem to be a trend toward loose =
footed sails with the new materials though. Seems like you would get a =
more consistant foil shape at the lower edge of the sail for better =
laminar flow at the expense of losing the end plate effect of the boom. =
The tradeoffs are probably pretty subtle.
Razz=20
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org =
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:09 AM
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
Michael & Razz,
The mainsail on Tele 2 in the enclosed picture is definitely loose =
footed. However, the mainsail on Stars & Stripes in the picture in the =
September, 2002 issue of SAIL magazine is definitely not loose footed. =
This is probably an evolving area of design & the issue is not settled =
in the IACC. I'm surprised the IACC sailmakers would even consider =
loose footed mainsails, but your picture clearly shows they are. As I =
said in my previous post, I stand corrected on loose footed mainsails.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Michael Meltzer=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
http://www.tree.net.nz//dscgi/ds.py/Get/File-3889
----- Original Message -----=20
From: David Rasberry=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
Since they dropped the twelve meters.
Check the pix
Razz
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org =
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 5:57 AM
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
Since when?
----- Original Message -----=20
From: David Rasberry=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 2:15 AM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
IACC class (America's Cup) boats have loose footed mains.
Razz
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org =
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:01 PM
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
Richard,
Bullshit! To the best of my knowledge, there isn't a =
single performance oriented sailboat racing class that prefers to use =
loose footed mainsails. I don't know why Doyle has made this marketing =
decision. Fortunately, there are plenty of other choices of sailmakers =
& I would run, not walk, away from this idiot at Doyle.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic eQuilibrium
----- Original Message -----=20
From: R.G. Smith=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating
The mainsail on my boat is pretty much shot also. My =
boat is a re-mfg 1990 and I insisted on the old style spars (non IMF) =
and the sail I have is all that Stan had. I got in touch with Doyle =
regarding a new main the sail they suggust has 2 full length battens at =
the head and 2 partial battens towards the foot.
The sail they quoted was also loose footed! When I =
expressed surprise I was told that (Doyle) was no longer building mains =
with bolt ropes along the foot. There contention is that a loose footed =
sail set's better and last longer.
Richard Smith
=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New">Razz:</FONT></DIV>
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guys are catching up to Stan???</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dcinetics@acsinc.net =
href=3D"mailto:cinetics@acsinc.net">David=20
Rasberry</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 26, 2002 =
6:24=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Rhodes22-list] =
Mast Bending=20
& PHRF Rating</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D920380712-26082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Roger,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D920380712-26082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D920380712-26082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>IACC=20
is an open development class. So the syndicates can pretty much =
do=20
anything they want within the limits of the class rule. There have =
been some=20
interesting innovations in rigging as well as hull and keel design for =
these=20
boats. There does seem to be a trend toward loose footed sails with =
the new=20
materials though. Seems like you would get a more consistant foil =
shape at the=20
lower edge of the sail for better laminar flow at the expense of =
losing the=20
end plate effect of the boom. The tradeoffs are probably pretty=20
subtle.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D920380712-26082002></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D920380712-26082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Razz</FONT> </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org=20
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Roger=20
Pihlaja<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 26, 2002 6:09 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
Mast=20
Bending & PHRF Rating<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Michael & Razz,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The mainsail on Tele 2 in the=20
enclosed picture is definitely loose footed. However, the =
mainsail on Stars & Stripes in the picture in the September, =
2002 issue=20
of <U>SAIL</U> magazine is definitely not loose =
footed. =20
This is probably an evolving area of design & the issue is =
not=20
settled in the IACC. I'm surprised the IACC =
sailmakers would=20
even consider loose footed mainsails, but your picture clearly =
shows=20
they are. As I said in my previous post, I stand corrected on =
loose=20
footed mainsails.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Roger Pihlaja</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium =
</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmjm@michaelmeltzer.com=20
href=3D"mailto:mjm@michaelmeltzer.com">Michael Meltzer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 25, =
2002 8:21=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Rhodes22-list] Mast=20
Bending & PHRF Rating</DIV>
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href=3D"http://www.tree.net.nz//dscgi/ds.py/Get/File-3889">http://www.tre=
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dcinetics@acsinc.net =
href=3D"mailto:cinetics@acsinc.net">David=20
Rasberry</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 25, =
2002 8:57=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Rhodes22-list] Mast=20
Bending & PHRF Rating</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D960084912-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Since they dropped the twelve =
meters.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D960084912-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Check the pix</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D960084912-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D960084912-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Razz</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list-admin@rhod=
es22.org</A>=20
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Roger=20
Pihlaja<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 25, 2002 5:57 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF=20
Rating<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since when?</FONT></DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dcinetics@acsinc.net =
href=3D"mailto:cinetics@acsinc.net">David=20
Rasberry</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August =
25, 2002=20
2:15 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Rhodes22-list]=20
Mast Bending & PHRF Rating</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D930091406-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>IACC class (America's Cup) boats have loose footed=20
mains.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D930091406-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D930091406-25082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Razz</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list-admin@rhod=
es22.org</A>=20
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Roger=20
Pihlaja<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:01=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF=20
Rating<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Richard,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bullshit! To the =
best of my=20
knowledge, there isn't a single performance oriented =
sailboat=20
racing class that prefers to use loose footed=20
mainsails. I don't know why Doyle has made this =
marketing=20
decision. Fortunately, there are plenty of other =
choices of=20
sailmakers & I would run, not walk, away from=20
this idiot at Doyle.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Roger =
Pihlaja</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>S/V Dynamic =
eQuilibrium</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message =
-----=20
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; =
font-color: black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsailnut@asan.com =
href=3D"mailto:sailnut@asan.com">R.G.=20
Smith</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
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</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, =
August 24,=20
2002 2:46 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
[Rhodes22-list] Mast Bending & PHRF Rating</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D718413818-24082002>The mainsail on my boat is =
pretty much=20
shot also. My boat is a re-mfg 1990 and I =
insisted on=20
the old style spars (non IMF) and the sail I =
have is=20
all that Stan had. I got in touch with Doyle =
regarding a=20
new main the sail they suggust has 2 full =
length=20
battens at the head and 2 partial battens towards the=20
foot.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D718413818-24082002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D718413818-24082002>The sail they quoted was also =
loose=20
footed! When I expressed surprise I was told that =
(Doyle)=20
was no longer building mains with bolt ropes along the=20
foot. There contention is that a loose footed sail =
set's=20
better and last longer.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D718413818-24082002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D718413818-24082002>Richard =
Smith</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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