[Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] New list
Michael Meltzer
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:28:44 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm@michaelmeltzer.com>
To: <rhodes-list@sailnet.net>
Cc: "Sam Boyle" <sboyle@sailnet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] New list
> Sam when you are right you are right. I am sorry for any action that you
> took offence with or generated any ill will. That was not my intention
here.
> We have been here for many years(6+-) with only respect for you providing
> this service. I was under the impression that his was a public server of
> sailnet, an expense that you have born most garishly. You have given us a
> place to meet, talk and share time and boating knloage together. I (we)
> Thank You.
>
> What happened was born from "Frustration", the list has become very
> importnat for out lives and the lostmail, delays, outages have been a
> problem. I think also it came from not being able to reach anyone when
thier
> is a problem, to control bad behaver on the list and the policys that kept
> cutting down attachments.
>
> For what it is worth, I do belive in you, I an the one who put in and
> maintains the link on the rhonde22.com that has sent traffic here for the
> last 6 years. I bought equimint from sailnet over the years. I think in
> fairness I added a footer to the new list "http://www.sailnet.com/ --
> Where Sailors Get It!", thought it was the right thing to do. Also I would
> be happy to add any user id that you wish so people could get your weekly
> store mailer, again it is the right thing to do. (have your sysadmin
email,
> takes a few miniutes to do).
>
>
> Who never know we might all be back, never know when I go down :-)
>
> MJM
> PS. The computer guy in me wants to subject you show your systems guy this
> letter.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Boyle" <sboyle@sailnet.com>
> To: <rhodes-list@sailnet.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list
>
>
> Been following this thread with a growing sense of disappointment.
>
> People are certainly free to spend time on any list they choose. That
said,
> I have to question the "manners" of using our resources to promote
something
> else... seems a tad bit like biting the hand that's fed this list for
> years...
>
> If folks want to leave then we wish you well. We are asking that you take
> that discussion elsewhere and that we have no more of this "guiding people
> to the new list" stuff. It just feels bad.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Sam
>
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> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>
> Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list
> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:13:00 -0400
> From: Paul Grandholm <PAUL@mi.chtechnology.com>
> To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
>
> Michael,
>
> Please forgive a dumb question from a relatively computer
> challenged guy. I'm already overloaded with emails so I'm not inclined
> to stay on both lists, but I don't want to miss anything either. What I
> think you're advising us to do is to unsubscribe from the sailnet list
> and subscribe to your new list. Is that correct? Is the correct timing
> to do that right now? Please let me know & I'll make the switch. Also,
> thanks for all the behind-the-scenes work you must have put into to this.
>
> Paul
>
> >I suspect that most of the new members come from the rhodes22.com link
> page,
> > frankly is hard to spot sailnets lists their site is focused more on the
> > store. If you are a "old-timer" you know, but a new person would be hard
> > pressed.
> >
> >The link idea is a good one :-) I should have thought of it :-) the
problem
> > is mime is a pain-in-the-ass, the day job is eating cycles right now, I
> get
> > to it soon(weekend maybe). For now the max size is 128k after that it
> needs
> > approval, should be ok to dailup at that size. I also need to "demine"
and
> > "dehtml" the stuff for the archive and dijest, got a script for that but
> > need to drop it in :-)
> >
> >
> >BTW rhodes22.org could use a home page. :-)
> >
> >MJM
> >
> >PS. ps people I will not cross post for long and you are missing stuff
> > already :-)
> >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gardner, Douglas L. (LNG)
> > To: 'rhodes-list@sailnet.net'
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:15 AM
> > Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list
> >
> >
> > I have worked closely with MJM in the past (setting up the photo site),
> > and have complete confidence that this will be a superior list.
> >
> > I do have 2 concerns, though.
> > 1) The sailnet list probably gets more traffic from 'casual' browsers.
> > How will new members find the new list? One possibility... I'll
probably
> > stay subscribed to both. If a few others do the same, we can point
people
> > in the right direction.
> > 2) I like the ability to send attachments, but there should be a size
> > limit. Some of us are still on a dial-up connection. 60k or so should
be
> > more than sufficient for a photo, and exceptions can be made on a
> > case-by-ca se basis, based on expressed desire from list members. A
> future
> > enhancement would be for MJM to dump all attachments into a directory
and
> > substitute with an URL pointing to it. That way we could put just about
> > anything up there and not bog down e-mail downloads. (how do you like
> that
> > Michael? We're already writing requirements for release 2.0! ;^)
> >
> > Just a couple of thoughts.
> >
> > --Doug
> >
> > ps: OK, Michael. Maybe its time we work on the photo site again?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Effros [mailto:bill@effros.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 8:11 AM
> > To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
> > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] New list
> >
> >
> > YES!
> >
> > Michael's new system works better than any system we have used
before.
> >
> > It is very very fast.
> >
> > We can send attachments.
> >
> > No ads. No spam.
> >
> > We can direct people to Rummy's list, Tom's FAQ, and various picture
> > sites maintained by others.
> >
> > We can write our own rules for what is appropriate for our list.
> >
> > We can maintain our list so we don't have to rebuild it if the
service
> > provider loses or changes its service.
> >
> > Michael has done an incredible job in a short period of time. (This
is
> > standard procedure for MJM.) Someone has helped him proofread his work.
> > Thanks to that person or persons.
> >
> > Click on the link & sign up:
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > Make suggestions about how Michael can improve the way it works, the
> > wording, etc.
> >
> > This is truly our list.
> >
> > I'm sure most of us will stay on the Sailnet list as well, but once
> > you've seen the speed of a list working the way it should, you will find
> it
> > difficult to go back to snail email.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Meltzer
> > To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:36 AM
> > Subject: [rhodes-list] New list
> >
> >
> > Some people might have noticed some Strange messages on the list
here
> > what is happening.
> >
> > Well everyone, we know what happen last weekend, the sailnet list
> took
> > a hit. Not liking the list being down I set up a new listserver under
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list .
> >
> > 1)It is a commercial grade server controlled by us
> > 2)It is fast, message turnaround is under 1 minute, I make sure it
> > stays that way(sailnet seems to be 2 hours)
> > 3)attachment are ok(we control it)
> > 4)The footer lines are for the list benefit, not to sell ad space
> > 5)when people sign up they get the rhodes22 charter
> > 6)The archive system is useable, bet even that will be improved
> > 7)The control screen are simple and understandable
> > 8)We control it to make it fit your needs
> >
> > Well at this point I built it, it is open to all comers, are we
ready
> > for it?
> >
> > MJM
>
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> Paul Grandholm
> C&H Technology
> GrandPower Components Div.
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