[Rhodes22-list] adding flotation
J Cook
joscook@msn.com
Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:27:01 -0400
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Thats what I thought! I think the foam is closed cell and the styrofoam =
and peanuts aren't. I know that's the way they built a lot of boats (16 =
foot stinkpots) back inthe 70's, But it sounds like sticking wiht the can=
ned stuff is the way to go.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roland.John
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:33 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] adding flotation
Re peanuts - a lot of shippers are starting to use bio-degradeable peanut=
s for packing material. They dissolve in water. It's a good idea to tes=
t them before use as well. J Roland
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis J Sitler [mailto:djsitler@gmpexpress.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 6:44 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] adding flotation
Hi Joe,
Just a caution from experience. I had gathered a lot of polyurethane pack=
ing
foam to put in my v-berth. Before I put it in I put some in water,good
thing, it made a good sponge. The kind of polyurethane foam that goes in
boats is closed cell, which means it don't absorb water, important for
floatation. I'm not sure about peanuts but be sure of what you put in. It
cost me around $150 to pour foam and it took away any guessing. If I shou=
ld
ever need it, I figure I will have enough to worry about, besides if it t=
he
floatation is the right stuff.
Denny,
1974 R22 Gossamer Wing
Berwick, PA
----- Original Message -----
From: J Cook <joscook@msn.com>
To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:44 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] adding flotation
I was speaking with a boat builder in Stienhatchee, he primarily refurbis=
hes
older commercial fishing boats and brings them up to custom specs. On
flotation, he says if his client wants to save some money, he can mix in
styrofoam blocks and even those little packing peanuts. Then he pours the
foam over them.
I've never tried it. But does anybody see a reason why this would not wo=
rk?
Joe Cook
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Pihlaja
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 8:13 PM
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] V-berth flotation
Dear Todd,
Yeah, I wrote some of those e-mails. As I recall, there was a lengthy
thread involving the V-berth & the floatation foam underneath. I don't h=
ave
that e-mail anymore & it doesn't seem to come up on my searches of the
SailNet Archieves. What is your question?
I recommended the 2-part pour in place polyurethane foam product. Look o=
n
page 56 of the 2002 Defender Marine Buyers Guide. The product provides 4=
.8
cubic feet foam/gal of premix. Defender will sell you as little as 1 qt =
(2
pts of Part A & B) or as much as 10 gal (5 gal of Part A & B) of premix.
Parts A & B are mixed together for 30 sec until the liquid turns milky.
Then, you rapidly pour the mixture into the void space to be filled. The
mixture will expand & cure tack free in 1 minute, with final cure in 20
minutes. To fill a large space, small batches can be poured right on top=
of
one another. If a new batch of foam is poured on top of an old batch bef=
ore
final cure, then the bond between the two batches will be undetectable.
Before tack free cure, the mixture will flow. So, to do a V-berth, the a=
rea
would need to be sealed off so the liquid would not run down into the bil=
ge.
This product is not real toxic, but I would still use a Tyvek suit, rubbe=
r
gloves, eye protection & as much ventillation as I could get flowing thru
the boat.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
----- Original Message -----
From: Toad the Wet Sprocket
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 2:14 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] V-berth flotation
All,
Recently I read about someone with a boat about the same year as min=
e
(1974) that did not contain, or it had been removed, the foam flotation
under the v-berth. I can not remember where I was reading it or must hav=
e
deleted the e-mail without copying it to my files.
Someone (I think it was Roger) posted a suggestion for expanding foa=
m
to be used to fill this area. Can anyone help with a suggestion?
Todd
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Thats what I t= hought! I think the foam is closed cell and the
styrofoam and peanu= ts aren't. I know that's the way they built a
lot of boats (16 foot= stinkpots) back inthe 70's, But it sounds like
sticking wiht the canned = stuff is the way to go.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roland.John
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:= 33 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail= list
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22= -list] adding flotation
Re peanuts - a lot of ship= pers are starting to use bio-degradeable
peanuts for packing material.&nb= sp; They dissolve in water. It's a
good idea to test them before us= e as well. J Roland
-----Original Message-----
From: Denn= is J Sitler [mailto:djsitler@gmpexpress.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September = 17, 2002 6:44 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22= -list] adding flotation
Hi Joe,
Just a caution from experie= nce. I had gathered a lot of polyurethane
packing
foam to put in my v-= berth. Before I put it in I put some in
water,good
thing, it made a go= od sponge. The kind of polyurethane foam that
goes in
boats is closed = cell, which means it don't absorb water, important
for
floatation. I'm= not sure about peanuts but be sure of what you put
in. It
cost me aro= und $150 to pour foam and it took away any guessing. If I
should
ever = need it, I figure I will have enough to worry about, besides if
it the
floatation is the right stuff.
Denny,
1974 R22 Gossamer WingBerwick, PA
----- Original Message -----
From: J Cook <= ;joscook@msn.com>
To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Sent: M= onday, September 16, 2002 11:44 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] adding flo= tation
I was speaking with a boat builder in Stienhatchee, he = primarily
refurbishes
older commercial fishing boats and brings them u= p to custom specs.
On
flotation, he says if his client wants to = save some money, he can
mix in
styrofoam blocks and even those little = packing peanuts. Then he
pours the
foam over them.
I've never t= ried it. But does anybody see a reason why this would
not work?
=
Joe Cook
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger PihlajaSent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 8:13 PM
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes2= 2.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] V-berth flotation
Dear Todd,=
Yeah, I wrote some of those e-mails. As I recall, there was= a
lengthy
thread involving the V-berth & the floatation foam unde= rneath. I
don't have
that e-mail anymore & it doesn't seem t= o come up on my searches of
the
SailNet Archieves. What is your = question?
I recommended the 2-part pour in place polyurethane foam= product.
Look on
page 56 of the 2002 Defender Marine Buyers Gui= de. The product
provides 4.8
cubic feet foam/gal of premix. = ; Defender will sell you as little as
1 qt (2
pts of Part A & B) o= r as much as 10 gal (5 gal of Part A & B) of
premix.
Parts A &= B are mixed together for 30 sec until the liquid turns
milky.
Then, y= ou rapidly pour the mixture into the void space to be
filled. Themixture will expand & cure tack free in 1 minute, with
final cure i= n 20
minutes. To fill a large space, small batches can be poured= right on
top of
one another. If a new batch of foam is poured o= n top of an old
batch before
final cure, then the bond between the two= batches will be
undetectable.
Before tack free cure, the mixture = will flow. So, to do a V-berth,
the area
would need to be sealed= off so the liquid would not run down into the
bilge.
This product= is not real toxic, but I would still use a Tyvek suit,
rubber
gloves,= eye protection & as much ventillation as I could get flowing
thru
the boat.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
----- Origi= nal Message -----
From: Toad the Wet Sprocket
To: rhodes22-list@rho= des22.org
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 2:14 PM
Subject: [Rhod= es22-list] V-berth flotation
All,
= Recently I read about someone with a boat about the same year
as mine
= (1974) that did not contain, or it had been removed, the foam
flotationunder the v-berth. I can not remember where I was reading it
or m= ust have
deleted the e-mail without copying it to my files.
&= nbsp; Someone (I think it was Roger) posted a suggestion for =
expanding foam
to be used to fill this area. Can anyone help wit= h a suggestion?
Todd
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