[Rhodes22-list] slides vs digital camera

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Wed Aug 6 10:28:47 EDT 2003


Roger,

I think I have the same model Pentax or perhaps an earlier version of it. I 
have had it for at least five years and it has been a great performer. I 
haven't used it much since I purchased the digital Fuji.

Wally


>From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] slides vs digital camera
>Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:05:41 -0400
>
>Wally, David,
>
>35 mm film cameras still have an edge over digitals when it comes to water
>resistance & ruggedness.  On my outdoor adventures, I use a Pentax IQZoom
>105-WR Date.  This thing is Class V weather resistant, meaning it's OK to
>shoot in heavy rain & spray.  Heck, when it gets dirty, the manual
>recommends washing it under running water from the tap in the sink!  I've
>cleaned it under the water from a hand cranked well pump & by squirting it
>with water from a water bottle.  Try that with your digital camera & watch
>it fry!  The 38 mm - 105 mm autofocus/power zoom optics are coated with
>special abrasion/scratch resistant coatings.  All the moving parts are
>sealed with gaskets or O-Rings & the case is rubber armored to be grippy &
>take a beating.  I've been using mine just about 3 years now & it hasn't
>glitched once.  This usage has included my "Around The Tip Of The Mitt" 
>Lake
>Huron/Lake Michigan catamaran delivery cruise last fall, a cruise vacation
>to the Virgin Islands, a couple of canoe trips, several backpacking trips
>including three Polar Bear Winter Camping Trips & eight days in the rugged
>Isle Royale National Park, a couple of mountain bike trips complete with 
>the
>usual wipe-outs with the camera on board in a handlebar pack, two horseback
>riding trips, & numerous day sails on our R-22.  My son, Daniel, used the
>Pentax on a white water rafting trip on the Class IV - V rapids on the New
>River in W. Virginia in the spring of 2003.  If you are going to get good
>action or wildlife shots; then, the camera must be always readily 
>accessible
>& thus vulnerable to receiving punishment.  The Pentax has been very wet &
>dirty more than once.  Before I bought the Pentax, I looked at digitals &
>couldn't find anything on the market at that time that was even close to
>being rugged & water resistant enough.  Just this year, Olympus has started
>offering digital cameras that are starting to close this outdoor 
>performance
>gap, but they're still not on par with 35 mm film cameras.  I hate having 
>to
>baby my equipment, including cameras.  It may be more work to digitize
>pictures after the fact with a scanner; but, that's much preferable to no
>pictures at all because your digital camera wasn't up to the environmental
>punishment or it was packed safely away & you couldn't get to it in real
>time to take the shot.
>
>Roger Pihlaja
>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] slides vs digital camera
>
>
> > David,
> >
> > I used to sell high end Macs, image setters, slide and drum scanners to
>the
> > digital pre-press industry. A few years ago all of my customers still
>liked
> > slides. It sounds like digital has bridged the quality gap. You still 
>see
>a
> > bunch of the pros sticking to the old gear though. Is this because they
> > don't want to spend the money on new equipment?
> >
> > I have always been a autofocus (point and shoot) guy and don't know much
> > about cameras.  I love my Fuj Digital camera though!  You can't beat the
> > instant gratification and the low cost to view a pic.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: "David Walker" <david.walker5 at comcast.net>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm - slides vs digital 
>camera
> > >Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:39:22 -0400
> > >
> > >Wally,
> > >
> > >I spent a number of years convincing myself that scaning slides was
>better
> > >than direct digital.  That changed about a year ago when I worked along
> > >side
> > >another pro documenting our son's championship soccer season.  I shot
>film
> > >and scanned, he shot a Nikon D1.  His stuff blew mine out of the water
>(and
> > >the D1 is a generation behind, 2.2 MP camera).
> > >
> > >I finally bought a Nikon D100 about 6 months ago.  I shave shot very
>little
> > >film since.  The D100 is a 6 MP camera and produces phenomenal images.
> > >
> > >The way I look at it is that the 35mm slide itself may have inherently
> > >higher resolution, but getting that resolution into some useful form (a
> > >print or a digital file) requires additional resolution degrading 
>steps.
>A
> > >camera direct digital file is already digital and is ready for 
>whatever.
> > >
> > >Dave Walker
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:40 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm - slides vs digital 
>camera
> > >
> > >
> > > > Scan from slide still provides the best reslults doesn't it? Digital
> > >cameras
> > > > have come a long way but unless you have an extremely high end 
>digital
> > > > camera there is still a big difference in quality.
> > > >
> > > > Wally
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm
> > > > >Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:26:05 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >not shocked that he is cheap, got that impresstion too, he has a
> > >website
> > > > >that looks like limited runs of sailing/boating books,
> > > > >tight margins i am sure. It is mosty to get a rhodes22 on the 
>cover.
>My
> > >bet
> > > > >that who ever is doing the jacket only know how to work
> > > > >with slides and has been doing slides for the last 50 years, seim
> > >retired
> > > > >and do not  know digital.
> > > > >
> > > > >MJM
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "David Walker" <david.walker5 at comcast.net>
> > > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:13 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jim Connolly and I are trying to get together on the water this
> > >weekend
> > > > >for
> > > > > > some pictures, but the weather forecasts don't look promising.
>Had
> > >a
> > > > >call
> > > > > > with Stan Grayson about it.  He is publishing a book, but trying
>to
> > >get
> > > > > > everything in it donated (ie no $ for licensing the photo).  His
> > > > >business is
> > > > > > not listed in the Marblehead local directory but his home number
>is.
> > > > >Also
> > > > > > his requirement of a slide (vs direct digital) goes against all 
>I
> > >know
> > > > >in
> > > > > > the publishing industry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:35 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW were you able to do anything with the picture?, saw stan
>take
> > >a
> > > > >pass.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MJM
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "David Walker" <david.walker5 at comcast.net>
> > > > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:30 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Careful where you drill the hole, too far forward and it 
>will
> > >drain
> > > > >into
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > cabin.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Rob Lowe" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> > > > > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:58 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've thought of the same thing, so I'm curious to hear 
>some
> > > > >responses.
> > > > > > > > Mark
> > > > > > > > > tells me the water is supposed to drain down the 
>centerboard
> > >line
> > > > > > hole,
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > mine has a thicker line than his and tends to get clogged
>with
> > > > >junk
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > drain well.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rob Lowe
> > > > > > > > > S/V Getaway
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Robert Dilk" <Robert.Dilk at TRW.COM>
> > > > > > > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:44 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Had the Rhodes 22 out in a real down pour Sunday.
> > > > > > > > > With the girls in the cabin and close hauled the rain 
>water
> > >built
> > > > >up
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > forward area of the seat drain track and seat. The forward
> > >Corners
> > > > > > have no
> > > > > > > > > drains. The result was wet bottoms.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My thought was to drill some drain holes in the forward
> > >Corners
> > >of
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > seat
> > > > > > > > > drain tracks and let the water drain to the cockpit floor.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any comments, suggestions?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > > > > S/V knot Necessary
> > > > > > > > >
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