[ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] bow spit

[Steve]

 Mary Lou
These sail are downwind sails.  Upwind except when
wind is below 5kt, I would use the Genona.  But a true
Asysmetrical when reaching or running would be much
easier to jibe it outside.  Simply release the kite
sheet so that it clears the forstay & when the bow
start to point to the new reach; pull the kite back in
and sheet off. The wind will actually push the kite
around the boat for you.
Steve
 
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:17 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] bow spit
> 
> Michael,
> I'm still trying to picture how it's easier to "jib
> it outside". Not
> sure 
> if the problem is the batteries on my decoder or my
> limited knowledge of
> 
> headsails beyond jibs and genoas - probably both
> ;-).  As promoted the
> UPS 
> sail has the rope luff tack fastened to a padeye
> behind the forestay.
> The 
> sail is easy to tack because it is behind the
> forestay. I believe that
> Tom 
> has the halyard run to the cabin top so that it is
> easier for a 
> singlehander to raise and lower the sail.
> 
> If you put the UPS type sail in front of the
> forestay, I still can't see
> 
> how you tack with the forestay in the way. You could
> jibe but in light
> air 
> you can use the UPS sail as a drifter and go upwind
> - that's really what
> we 
> are looking for. We are planning to just lower the
> UPS out of the way
> when 
> we want to switch sails. You can't just get the
> forestay out of the way
> to 
> tack.
> 
> In our discussions with Doyle we came up with a sail
> that is essentially
> 
> the equivalent of a 180 genoa in sail area. That's
> big enough for us. I 
> like our 175 in 5-8 knots but it collapses on itself
> at about 4. I'm 
> thinking that the UPS will do the trick on a reach
> in 2-4 knots. As far
> as 
> sheeting locations - I think there will be a couple
> of options. I'm
> waiting 
> to hear from Doyle until I've got all my details
> straight.
> 
> Mary Lou
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 11:13 PM 1/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >well first off, I do want an anchor roller :-)
> >Second off I do have a cruising spinnaker :-)
> >
> >Third off, doly is limiting the sail to a 13.5 lp,
> I think that a 
> >propriety of the harken 3029, most likly I would
> want a 3049.
> >Fourth off I want to set my cleats back, like right
> next to the chain 
> >plates, I know how a 175% feed into the winches and
> think it
> >is limiting sail area.
> >fifth off, by mounting the UPS inside the forstay
> means that I now have
> to 
> >tack that sail inside, that is alot of canvas
> thought
> >that area. rather jib it outside
> >Sixth off, with the USP mounted inside the jib is
> unsuable, PITA
> factor, 
> >only way around  is to goto the mast to lossen the
> halard,
> >not single handing friendly.
> >
> >MJM
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mltroy@netreach.net>
> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:10 PM
> >Subject: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] bow spit
> >
> >
> > > Michael (or anyone) I can understand the desire
> for an anchor roller
> but I
> > > don't get the rest.
> > >
> > > Why would you want to put a UPS type sail out in
> front of the
> current
> > > forestay? At that point wouldn't it make more
> sense to just go with
> a
> > > cruising spinnaker? Or are you thinking of
> something more like sprit
> > > mounted spinnaker (?) on boats like some of the
> Js or the Melges
> 24s. My
> > > understanding of the benefits of the UPS is that
> it is simpler to
> use and
> > > can be used over a wider range wind directions
> than a spinnaker and
> as such
> > > it is designed to be behind the forestay.
> > >
> > > Mary Lou
> > >
> > > At 10:22 PM 1/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >I have a idea that I also know I do not have
> the skills to evaluate
> or 
> > design.
> > > >
> > > >I saw the UPS sail at the AC boat show, it nice
> but I would like to
> mount
> > > >it infrount of the current forestay, I have an
> idea for a short
> anchor
> > > >roller/bow spit that would solve this problem.
> Any option and
> knowing most
> > > >of the cost with the fabrication is
> design(cutting files, bending
> lay-up
> > > >etc..) any volunteers (Rodger warren, david
> etc), my hope is to get
> it to
> > > >the point that dwyer(or like) can knock them
> out for a resonable
> price.
> > > >
> > > >MJM
> > > >
> > > >PS. my bad artwork is attached.
> > > >Name: bowusp.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 137069
> bytes Desc: not
> available
> > > >Url:
> > >
>
>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200301/12/bowusp.
> jpe
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