[ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa Cleats

[Michael Meltzer]

the only ss in the mold is the plugs for the drains. removed after pulling. they simply drill and tape the area.(or is it drill and
wood screews). As SOP in the layup the area is thick and solid thier. Some years might even been using plywood core.

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
To: <johntonjes at earthlink.net>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:42 AM
Subject: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa Cleats


> Rummy,
>
> I think GBI fastens those cleats to the cabin roof with a SS threaded metal
> insert, which is cast into the fiberglass during construction.  This would
> not be an easy thing to duplicate at home after the boat is built.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Tonjes" <johntonjes at earthlink.net>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa Cleats
>
>
> > Roger,
> > I have an 88 model which has two cleats on the deck, one for the genoa
> > furling line and another for the topping lift. Neither are thru bolted. I
> > suspect they are drilled and tapped and threaded into the fiberglass.
> > Neither one has a great amount of pressure and I'm sure they were factory
> > installations.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Ronald Lipton <lipton at sprynet.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Date: 7/27/2003 3:41:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa Cleats
> > >
> > > Roger,
> > >
> > >   Great description, as usual.  Just what I need.  I was concerned about
> > > drilling  through the liner. The use of fender washers
> > > and barrel nuts should make for a nice installation.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 6:35 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa Cleats
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ron,
> > > >
> > > > The cabin roof is about 1-1/2" thick in that area, certainly thick
> > enough
> > > &
> > > > plywood cored.  But, how were you planning to attach the cleat if not
> by
> > > > thru-bolting - wood screws?  The roller furling control line can be
> > fairly
> > > > heavily loaded.  It is considered bad engineering practice to do
> > anything
> > > > but thru bolt heavily loaded deck fittings.
> > > >
> > > > Before you do anything, please take a look at the following reference:
> > > >
> > > > "Fiberglass Boat Repair & Maintenance, With WEST System Epoxy",
> Revised
> > > > Edition, Published By Gougeon Brother Inc., PO Box X908, Bay City, MI
> > > 48707,
> > > > 989-684-1374, Cat No: 002-550, Sep., 1988, pages 46 - 50
> > > >
> > > > The most recent edition of this pamphlet is available at West Marine
> > > stores
> > > > or just about any other marine chandlery that sells WEST System epoxy
> > > > products.  Or, look in the 2003 West Marine Master Catalog on page
> 388.
> > > >
> > > > Basically, you will drill out the mounting holes oversize, tape over
> the
> > > > holes thru the cabin liner, & backfill the holes with epoxy using a
> > > > hypodermic syringe.  Then, you will redrill the mounting holes thru
> the
> > > > hardened epoxy.  This will completely seal the plywood core to prevent
> > > > moisture intrusion in the future & provide a stable, crushproof region
> > > thru
> > > > the plywood core that will not be deformed when the cam cleat is
> loaded.
> > > >
> > > > Please allow me to introduce you to a wonderful piece of thru-bolting
> > > > hardware called the "barrel nut".  Look in the 2003 West Marine Master
> > > > Catalog on page 512.  You didn't say if the particular cam cleat you
> > were
> > > > going to use required #10 - 24UNC or 1/4" - 20UNC screws; but, there
> are
> > > > barrel nuts listed to fit either size.  You can either fabricate your
> > own
> > > > backing plate from 12 gage SS plate or you can use SS fender washers
> for
> > > > backing plates.  On page 512 in the 2003 West Marine Master Catalog,
> > use a
> > > > 1" OD X 1/4" ID SS fender washer with the #10 barrel nut & a 1-1/2" OD
> X
> > > > 5/16" ID SS fender washer with the 1/4" barrel nut.  You will have to
> > trim
> > > > the lengths of the SS mounting screws to fit the barrel nuts & the
> > > thickness
> > > > of the cabin roof under your new cam cleat.  The finished installation
> > > will
> > > > only show the SS backing plate or SS fender washers & the polished
> > > Phillips
> > > > screwheads of the barrel nuts.  It won't be a head banger, will be
> very
> > > > strong, & yet readily accessible if you ever need to take it apart.
> > > >
> > > > Please don't use wood screws.  Good luck!
> > > >
> > > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ronald Lipton" <lipton at sprynet.com>
> > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 7:00 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa Cleats
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > This must have confused some folks.  I ment the furling line, not
> the
> > > > > sheets.  Sorry.  I was just wondering if the cabintop fiberglass is
> > > thick
> > > > > enough to support the cleat or if some sort of backing plate is
> > needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ronald Lipton" <lipton at sprynet.com>
> > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 10:38 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa Cleats
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The Genoa sheets on my '89 have an annoying habit of slipping
> though
> > > > > > the jam cleats, unfurling  the genoa.  I would like to
> > > > > > add cam cleats to the cabintop.  Has anyone done this? What is
> > > > > > the proper procedure? Is the fiberglass thick enough to support
> > > > > > the cleats with no backing?  Any advice would be appreciated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron Lipton
> > > > > > Empress of Blandings
> > > > > > Michigan City, In
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