[Rhodes22-list] Is this the same Bill?
Michael Meltzer
mjm at michaelmeltzer.com
Thu Jun 19 14:29:47 EDT 2003
Now you sound like Stan, should hear some of the war stories.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Berner" <bberner at optonline.net>
To: <kroposki at innova.net>; "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Is this the same Bill?
> Even got a very reasonable offer from Bob Dobson who is a proud new owner of
> somebody elses boat!
>
> Bill Berner
> 191 South Broadway
> Hastings on Hudson, NY 10706
>
> v 914 478 2896
> f 914 478 3856
> e BBerner at optonline.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Kroposki
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:08 AM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Is this the same Bill?
>
> Bill Effros,
> And as I recall, he even put a dollar $ on it.
> ED K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:53 PM
> To: bberner at optonline.net; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
>
> Is this the same Bill Berner who was planning to sell his boat? Or did
> I get that wrong?
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Berner
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:20 PM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
>
>
> I've been looking for track cars that I could mount the bimini to for
> some
> time with no luck.
>
> Today I was in the vicinity of a WM and bought the 30" Bimini tracks I
> wrote
> about. For less than 30 bucks you get the tracks with cars that are
> tapped
> for existing hinges. Much cheaper than track cars that are intended to
> work
> under load. Also I won't have to concern moving them around to
> accommodate
> moves of the genoa fairleads.
>
> I expect I'll have to mount them just outboard of the Genoa track. Not
> crazy more stuff up on the gunnel, but looking forward to being able to
> move
> the folded bimini as far forward as possible to clear room for sitting
> on
> the rail.
>
> I hope to get to the project tomorrow.
>
>
> BB
>
> Bill Berner
> 191 South Broadway
> Hastings on Hudson, NY 10706
>
> v 914 478 2896
> f 914 478 3856
> e BBerner at optonline.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:11 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
>
> MJM,
>
> To clarify - I do not want to install new tracks. My question was; are
> the
> cars (for Bimini supports) shown in LLoyd's photo still available from
> GB?
> If not who does stock them?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wally
>
> >From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: <bberner at optonline.net>,"The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:34:26 -0400
> >
> >maybe I am missing something, most people install it on a car on the
> jib
> >track, you want to put in a new track?
> >
> >MJM
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bill Berner" <bberner at optonline.net>
> >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:06 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> >
> >
> > > WM Info for Bimini Track and fittings.
> > >
> > > Tracks come with slides which should come drilled correctly for deck
>
> >hinges.
> > > Sold in pairs Both made by Taylor
> > >
> > > 18" Long Chrome Model # 192965 28.99
> > > 30" Long Chrome Model # 192973 25.99
> > >
> > > No I didn't write it down wrong. According to the catalog the 30"
> is
> > > cheaper than the 18".
> > >
> > > They also have track end caps in black or white by taylor
> > > Black 460560 2.99
> > > White 446023 2.99
> > >
> > > In what appears to be chrome "Zamak"
> > > 436487 8.99
> > >
> > > Doesn't say if they are sold in pairs, so they probably aren't.
> > >
> > > I'm almost motivated enough to order them for myself.
> > >
> > > BB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill Berner
> > > 191 South Broadway
> > > Hastings on Hudson, NY 10706
> > >
> > > v 914 478 2896
> > > f 914 478 3856
> > > e BBerner at optonline.net
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:42 PM
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > >
> > > So if I understand correctly the hardware used in the posted pics is
> no
> > > longer available from GB? What a shame I was thinking of breaking
> down
> >and
> > > buying ....
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Bill Berner <bberner at optonline.net>
> > > >Reply-To: bberner at optonline.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > > >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:29:41 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Lloyd -
> > > >
> > > >Don't mind at all. Didn't realize it was a response to me! They
> are
> >great
> > > >shots, and I'm jealous.
> > > >
> > > >Stan apparently doesn't have any more, or is (reasonably) holding
> them
> >in
> > > >reserve for the boats he's building/recycling.
> > > >
> > > >The alternative seems to be getting "bimini tracks" and slides
> which
> >are
> > > >available from WM and putting more junk on the gunnels.
> > > >
> > > >Haven't gotten around to it but expect to do so.
> > > >
> > > >Will post my experience when complete.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks again for the pix.
> > > >
> > > >BB
> > > >
> > > >Bill Berner
> > > >191 South Broadway
> > > >Hastings on Hudson, NY 10706
> > > >
> > > >v 914 478 2896
> > > >f 914 478 3856
> > > >e BBerner at optonline.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of lcrowther
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:14 AM
> > > >To: New Rhodes22 List
> > > >Subject: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > > >
> > > >Ed,
> > > >
> > > >I only know that my track width is, or was. standard GB issue. the
>
> >reason
> > > >I
> > > >put the pictures in this list is because Bill Berner asked me about
> the
> > > >cars. Since there seems to be a general interest or curiosity
> about
> > > >movable
> > > >Bimini mounts I am posting the correspondence with Bill before I
> took
> >the
> > > >pictures. Hope you don't mind, Bill!
> > > >
> > > >Lloyd
> > > >s/v Uhuru II
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "lcrowther" <lcrowther at cox.net>
> > > >To: <bberner at optonline.net>
> > > >Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:14 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > The car is made of a black plastic block with a groove on the
> bottom
>
> >and
> > > > > lips at the bottom of the groove sides which will fit under the
> >track.
> > > >(You
> > > > > have to take off one stop, located at the ends of each the
> track, to
>
> >fit
> > > > > each block onto its track.) On the top of the block, mounted by
> two
> > > >screws,
> > > > > is the same fitting that looks as if it could be positioned on
> the
> >deck
> > > >as
> > > >a
> > > > > fixed-position Bimini mount. This fitting, which is screwed to
> the
> >top
> > > >of
> > > > > the block, has a slot on top that takes the fitting tongue
> located
> >at
> > > >the
> > > > > bottom of the Bimini tubing. The slot on the top of the fitting
>
> >that is
> > > > > screwed on the top of the block has a screw hole through both
> sides;
>
> >a
> > > >screw
> > > > > goes through one hole of this car fitting, through the hole in
> the
> > > >tongue
> > > >of
> > > > > the Bimini pipe fitting, and through the hole in the other side
> car
> > > >fitting.
> > > > > The whole black plastic car unit is apparently made especially
> for
> >Stan,
> > > >he
> > > > > had a whole bin full of them in April of 2002.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry this explanation is so convoluted, hope you can figure it
> out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lloyd
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Bill Berner" <bberner at optonline.net>
> > > > > To: "'lcrowther'" <lcrowther at cox.net>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:37 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Lloyd -
> > > > >
> > > > > What does the lead car look like?
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't see how the end fitting on the bimini would mount to any
> of
> >the
> > > > > cars/fittings that are in the WM catalog.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > BB
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Berner
> > > > > 191 South Broadway
> > > > > Hastings on Hudson, NY 10706
> > > > >
> > > > > v 914 478 2896
> > > > > f 914 478 3856
> > > > > e BBerner at optonline.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: lcrowther [mailto:lcrowther at cox.net]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:09 AM
> > > > > To: bberner at optonline.net; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > Last spring I went down to GB and bought a used Bimini from
> Stan. I
> > > >also
> > > > > bought two (Bimini Mounting?) cars that I mounted on the Genoa
> lead
> >car
> > > > > tracks in front of the Genoa leads. My track goes well back of
> my
> > > >winches
> > > > > and is very long but when I looked at the boats Stan had in for
> > > >repair,etc.
> > > > > the track layouts came in several configurations. When my
> Bimini is
> > > >folded
> > > > > down I push the Bimini cars forward so the folded down Bimini
> >crosses
> > > >the
> > > > > cabin roof far enough forward so it does not interfere with the
> >access
> > > > > below. I seldom use my Bimini under sail; under power, in my
> slip,
> >or
> > > >at
> > > > > anchor it is great.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lloyd
> > > > > s/v Uhuru II
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Bill Berner" <bberner at optonline.net>
> > > > > To: <Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 2:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Last year we got a bimini from GB.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm interested in mounting it on a track, in the hopes that I'll
> be
> >able
> > > >to
> > > > > slide it forward some in order to make it easier to sit up on
> the
> > > >gunnels
> > > > > when the boat is heeled over. As set now it is really in the
> way,
> >and
> > > >also
> > > > > a bit in the way of the genoa sheets if the fairleads are set
> close
> >to
> > > >the
> > > > > winches.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So my question is - anybody else got theirs on tracks. Do you
> use
> >the
> > > >genoa
> > > > > lead car track, and if so with what hardware. Do you use a
> separate
> > > >bimini
> > > > > track outboard or inboard of the genoa track?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As Rumsfeld said, there are things we know, things we know we
> don't
> > > >know,
> > > > > and things we don't know that we don't know. Applies to me with
>
> >this
> > > > > question. All help appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > BB
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Berner
> > > > >
> > > > > 191 South Broadway
> > > > >
> > > > > Hastings on Hudson, NY 10706
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > v 914 478 2896
> > > > >
> > > > > f 914 478 3856
> > > > >
> > > > > e BBerner at optonline.net
> > > > >
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