[Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We are waitingfor more accurate information

Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:04:42 -0600

Guys,

Sometimes I have trouble with those .bin files too.

Rik

On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:37:12 -0500, Wally Buck <tnrhodey@hotmail.com> 
wrote:

> Jay,
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> scroll all the way down to see attachments. I was able to view.
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> Wally
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>> From: Jay Friedland <a.jayf@verizon.net>
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>> To: jbconnolly@speakeasy.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22- 
>> list@rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We are 
>> waitingfor more accurate information
>> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:26:11 -0500
>>
>> Jim-
>> If there's an attachment, it didn't come through.
>>
>> The leech (loose end) of the sail is only a slight triangle. It's cut  
>> high to the batten, then drops to the clew. My best guess is the batten  
>> is about 20" in from the clew. Not sure if all these numbers work. If I  
>> knew I'd be the source of info, the tape measure would have been out.
>>
>> Try to resend.
>> Jay
>>
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>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:30 AM, Jim Connolly wrote:
>>
>>> Jay,
>>>
>>> I am interested, but as a newbie to the R-22, I am unsure of the  
>>> tradeoffs
>>> and benefits.
>>>
>>> After adding electric start to the motor, new sails (new 150% genoa  
>>> and IMF
>>> Mk-I (for now ;-)) and new cabin cushions, I am also over my  self- 
>>> imposed
>>> limit.  :-0
>>>
>>> Somebody needs to draw a picture.  I'll start You described a  four- 
>>> sided
>>> sail with a vertical batten.  I had an image in my mind something like  
>>> the
>>> one on the left, with ~100 SF IMF Mk-I in blue, ~110SF IMF MK-II in  
>>> red with
>>> the dashed red line a long batten.  Now you say the batten is 30" long?
>>>
>>> After drawing it, I see that the batten wouldn't need to be as long as  
>>> I had
>>> initially pictured in my head.  New mental picture is more like the  
>>> right,
>>> with short batten further aft and lower.
>>>
>>> Is either version even close?
>>>
>>> Jim Connolly
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jay Friedland [mailto:a.jayf@verizon.net]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:03 AM
>>>> To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We are waiting for more
>>>> accurate information
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ed-
>>>> You're making a lucky guess (NYC born, NJ-bred). I've lost my edge  
>>>> with
>>>> Stan-he offered the demo boat on one of my visits, now I'm the only
>>>> source of info on this sail...can't stand the pressure.
>>>>
>>>> In following debates of Standard vs. IMF over the past few years,
>>>> stiffening the sail has been one of the deep divisions in the boat's
>>>> performance vs. convenience. I'd love to see Steve, Roger, or another
>>>> Standard Mainsail user evaluate it fairly. I'm sure the power of sail
>>>> draft will still make the Standard perform better, but it would be
>>>> interesting to see how much this closes the gap. Stan's designs always
>>>> defy traditional sail controls. He ought to do a manual in his spare
>>>> time on Sail Control with the R22.
>>>>
>>>> The batten itself is about 30" long and really flattens the whole
>>>> mainsail significantly, probably even more significantly as the sail  
>>>> is
>>>> stretched with use. In a conversation with Tom Deliberto, he had his
>>>> gennie designed as a biradial cut to compensate for stretch. He's the
>>>> only one I know that has done this, but reefing and stretch are the  
>>>> two
>>>> things I've seen affect performance. If both factors can be addressed
>>>> this way, I see new main as a big plus. On most other boats without
>>>> furled/protected sails, sail life is typically limited to 4-5 years
>>>> based on use and wind conditions. With the above improvements, sail
>>>> life plus performance, it adds another advantage to the convenience of
>>>> the R22.
>>>>
>>>> However, I'm not sure if I mentioned the CO2 cartridges that are  
>>>> needed
>>>> for the new main.
>>>>
>>>> Did Jim Connolly mention he's waiting on the MK II as the new design?
>>>> Jay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 09:30 AM, Kroposki wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jay,
>>>>> 	I thought you were from New York.  Are you telling us that some
>>>>> guy from Brooklyn snuck one by you? Oh come on now.
>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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