[Rhodes22-list] Stan, CAUTION, politics ahead

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Thu May 29 09:09:36 EDT 2003 

Heck Slim,  there are a bunch of words he can't pronounce. I couldn't vote 
for a man whose vocabulary is worse than mine. :)

I do agree that money drives a lot of our foreign policy. There are 
exceptions of couse but I really don't think Iraq is one of them. As our 
guys continue to take pot shots I really wonder if we can clean this mess 
up.

When are we ever going to wake up and develop alternative fuels! I know "W" 
is all over it but why have we not been working hard on solving this 
problem.?

It is kind of funny but Jimmy Carter couldn't pronounce "nuclear"

Wally

>From: Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan, CAUTION, politics ahead
>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 03:57:51 -0500
>
>Brad,
>
>Call me cynical then because it sure looks to me like the money/business is
>precisely what drives our foreign policy.  It's naive to think that we
>attacked Iraq in the name of freedom, democracy, righteousness or any of
>that lofty stuff.  And the whole WMD threat turned out to be nothing but
>spin.  We KNOW N. Korea has WMD but what would we have to gain ($$$) by
>attacking them? BTW I find it terribly ironic that the man who controls the
>vast majority of the world's WMD (Dubbya) can't even correctly pronounce 
>the
>word "nuclear."  Doesn't that make you a little squeamish?
>
>Many people are forgetting about all of that and focusing on Saddam's other
>atrocities. The media vivifies that for us as they scramble for their
>ratings.  But that's not why we went after him.  There have been many
>murderous dictators just as bad.  Years ago, when we were supporting Saddam
>(who was no goodytwoshoes then), Pinochet, Shaw of Iran, we turned a blind
>eye as long as there was something in it for us...$$$  We've continued to
>turn a blind eye on Saddam's atrocities for years.  It's not like we didn't
>know he was killing people.
>
>But now it's in the best interest of the administration to take him down.
>Or so it thinks.  And being a Texas oil man and all, I think we all know
>what he's got his eye on.  And bless him for it.  Somebody's gotta do it.
>It's not good business to have a guy like Saddam in charge of all that oil.
>Why let a few thousand lives get in the way of that much business?  And
>let's face it--it really is a mother load of business.
>
>Slim
>
>
>
>On 5/27/03 6:11 PM, "brad haslett" <flybrad at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Stan,
> >
> > I did a Google search on Lynn Cheney and couldn't find
> > any construction companies she is a director of, but
> > of course that doesn't mean it isn't true.  She is on
> > the board of Lockheed-Martin, Union Pacific Recources
> > and Readers Digest.  Her husband, of course, was CEO
> > of Halliburtan and that may be the source of the
> > confusion.  Lady Bird Johnson was on the board of
> > Brown-Root Construction, who did a lot of contract
> > work in Vietnam, but I'm not aware that she directly
> > profited from any of their activities. Most good
> > Republican capitalists are not as smart as Ms. Rodham
> > and haven't figured out how to make $100,000 in a
> > month trading commodities (its called trading on the
> > house account, at least as old as Arkansas politics,
> > but those smart boys from the New York Times never
> > bothered to look too hard). As to our current
> > situation (Iraq) there are only a handfull of
> > companies with the expertise and capital to get the
> > oil fields up and running quickly (unless you count
> > the French and LukeOil, Russian, already there) so
> > there are bound to be the appearances of conflict of
> > interest.  One would have to be pretty cynical to
> > believe that this administration, or any other, would
> > start a war strictly for money.  But I know there are
> > folks that think that way, God bless their souls,
> > (sorry Bill) and if its true it will make some author
> > rich esposing it. I think those who opposed the war in
> > Iraq should look at the bright side;  at least there
> > is the oil.  What have you purchased from Somolia or
> > Kosovo lately?
> >
> > Brad
> > --- General Boats <wwrhodes at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >> Brad/Steve//Bill/ etc.
> >>
> >> Brad:  congratulations on the sale of your boat and
> >> the purchase of your boat.
> >> While we do not always agree, we do agree that not
> >> agreeing has made this list
> >> stand out.  So I will miss your contributions and
> >> extensive knowledge, which I
> >> would like to here take advantage of.  Am I correct
> >> in understanding that the Vice
> >> President's wife is on the board of directors of the
> >> giant contractor that the VP
> >> is giving all that business to?  If so, let's
> >> collectively throw Bill a bone: Just
> >> imagine all the endless fun the right would have had
> >> if Mrs. Clinton had enjoyed
> >> such a rewarding conflict of interest job.
> >>
> >> Steve:  Wonderfully profound.  I do not understand
> >> it.  But I am with you.
> >>
> >> Bill: You are not supposed to abandoned a ship until
> >> it is sinking - we still have
> >> a few more years and need your ballast on the left.
> >> Hang in there and don't take
> >> it too seriously - but if you must, take solace that
> >> in a private, off line List
> >> poll, you are in the silent majority.
> >>
> >> stan/gbi
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve Alm wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey Bill,
> >>> Remember that if the boat leans to the left, it's
> >> because you're on the
> >>> starboard tack... I have no idea what I mean by
> >> that but it sounds profound.
> >>> 8-)  8-)
> >>>
> >>> Please feel free to post your own soap boxing.
> >> But if you use inflammatory
> >>> rhetoric such as "conservative claptrap" you're
> >> sinking to their level and
> >>> should expect more starboard cannon fire.
> >>>
> >>> We who sit on the port rail are in the good
> >> company of most of the nation's
> >>> great thinkers who occupy most of the
> >> professorship positions at the
> >>> colleges and universities in this great country of
> >> ours, so take heart and
> >>> let fly!  Don't let that mean old Brad get your
> >> goat--don't get mad, get
> >>> even!  8-)
> >>>
> >>> What the republican party needs, for example, is
> >> just ONE good poet--the
> >>> poor suckers don't have any.  The great Minnesota
> >> thinker, Garrison Keilor,
> >>> has volunteered.  8-)
> >>>
> >>> Roses are red, violet are blue,
> >>> Don't quit the list, Bill,
> >>> Lots of us think like you.
> >>>
> >>> Slim
> >>>
> >>> On 5/27/03 2:19 PM, "Bill Berner"
> >> <bberner at optonline.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I've been prompted to write by Brad's last
> >> couple of posts, especially
> >>>> "Rumsfeld apologizes"
> >>>>
> >>>> I started in to write a suggestion that the list
> >> charter be modified to ask
> >>>> that members be refrain from soap boxing their
> >> political positions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Then I realized that it would be asking for the
> >> group to curtail Freedom of
> >>>> Speech.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, I'm left with a conundrum.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am personally sick and tired of the
> >> inflammatory conservative claptrap
> >>>> that shows up here.  It's isn't always the
> >> substance that irks me so much,
> >>>> but the belligerance, sarcasm and school yard
> >> bullying quality of so many of
> >>>> the posts. I have rarely seen any
> >> acknowledgement that issues can be
> >>>> multifaceted and complicated.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like all of the
> >> cannon fire comes from the
> >>>> starboard side, and I'm pretty tired of it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Chances are that I'll have to quit the list to
> >> resolve the issue, not a
> >>>> choice I easily make.  There has been some good
> >> company here, and lot's of
> >>>> good information.
> >>>>
> >>>> Curious to see responses, then I'll shut up and
> >> make a decision.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill Berner
> >>>> 191 South Broadway
> >>>> Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706
> >>>>
> >>>> v 914 478 2896
> >>>> f 914 478 3856
> >>>> e BBerner at optonline.net
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >> Behalf Of brad haslett
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:37 PM
> >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rumsfeld Apologizes
> >>>>
> >>>> May 26, 2003
> >>>> Rumsfeld Apologizes for Hyping Saddam Threat
> >>>> (2003-05-26) -- U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald
> >>>> Rumsfeld apologized to Senate Democrats today
> >> for
> >>>> pre-war "hyping" of the threat posed by Saddam
> >>>> Hussein's regime.
> >>>>
> >>>> "I'm sorry Senators Biden, Rockefeller, Byrd,
> >> Roberts
> >>>> and others," said a contrite Mr. Rumsfeld. "We
> >>>> overestimated the threat posed by a lunatic
> >> dictator,
> >>>> who hated the U.S. and Israel, and who paid
> >> rewards to
> >>>> families of Palestinian terrorists. In an age
> >> when two
> >>>> of the world's tallest buildings can be brought
> >> down
> >>>> with tools used by the stockboy at K-Mart, we
> >> should
> >>>> have demanded more concrete evidence of exotic
> >> weapons
> >>>> of mass destruction. Saddam was helpless as a
> >> kitten
> >>>> up a tree."
> >>>>
> >>>> Sen. Rockefeller, D-WV, said Congress must
> >> determine
> >>>> whether the administration "intentionally
> >>>> overestimated" Iraq's weapons program, or "just
> >>>> misread it. ... In either case it's a very bad
> >>>> outcome."
> >>>>
> >>>> Mr. Rumsfeld agreed, "What an awful outcome. We
> >> deeply
> >>>> regret freeing the Iraqi people from a murderous
> >> gang
> >>>> of thugs masquerading in the United Nations as a
> >>>> representative republic. We're sorry that the
> >> Iraqi
> >>>> people have discovered thousands of graves of
> >> their
> >>>> Saddam-murdered relatives. It's none of our
> >> business
> >>>> if people want to live like that."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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