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[Steve]

I knew you got pick on in school:-)  Should have stood
up & fought.  It work ever time:-)
Steve


--- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> Dang. Just reread what I wrote. Sorry folks. I guess
> I let him get to me.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf
> Of Mark Kaynor
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:14 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera
> reports
> 
> 
> Steve,
> 
> I remember 9/11 - in a pretty personal way, too.
> Some friends were lost at
> the Naval Operations Center at the Pentagon. The
> team had just relocated to
> their new offices. I was doing some work for the
> Navy at the time and was
> asked to compile a list of the relocations since our
> data was more up to
> date than the sources they had available at the
> time. As much as I am
> opposed to war, I was in favor of us going to
> Afghanistan to try and root
> out that evil.
> 
> But Iraq is so NOT 9/11.
> 
> Nobody ever said we should be "pusses". Not sure how
> saying "a lot more than
> 3000 people have died since 9/11" makes me a puss,
> but I guess that's your
> call.
> 
> I can see  how you thought what I wrote was funny.
> Particularly since you
> think I'm just a stupid liberal. Thanks for
> unimaginative, narrow minded,
> jingoistic, "balls to the walls" abusive
> "discussion" and name calling. Kind
> of reminds me of some of the other bullies I've
> known.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf
> Of Steve
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:00 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera
> reports
> 
> 
> Mercy Mark.  Do you not remember 9/11!!!!!!!!!!! 
> You
> have to fight to be free.  You can't be a puss &
> expect this country to remain free.  Freedom is not
> Free!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I am wasting my time - You can
> take
> a mule to water; but you can't make it drink!!!!  I
> guess that saying go also that you can show a person
> the information - But you can't keep them from being
> stupid!!!!!!!!!!!  I bet you were one of those folks
> on the playground that ran to the teacher ever time
> a
> bully polk at you or made fun of you.  Mercy, NO
> bully
> ever made fun of me & got away with it.  Do you
> reallt
> think of lieing around with you head in the sand
> will
> make anyone be nice to you.  No one respects a puss.
> The seene yesterday is a replay of Blackhaulk Down-
> The Terrorists think if they hit us Hard we will
> puss
> out.  We have them by the balls now!!!!  All we have
> to do is strick back even harder & the job will be
> all
> but done.  That how you win a war.  The other side
> never plays fair.  This country is the only country
> on
> the plantet that plays fair.  We have to hit them
> hard
> now & finish the job and the world will be a better
> place for it.
> 
> Well, I have said my piece.  It never suprised of
> some
> of the stuff that I read by the Libreal.  Of course
> your fellow libreals may like you for it but think
> about it; being a puss is still being a puss - how
> can
> you respect yourself in the morning.  At least you
> have Bush to thanks for still having the freedom to
> voice your opinion.  If we ever lose one of these
> war;
> and a dirty bomb or mini nuke wipe us out by all
> these
> terrorists, what are you going to do them:-) It will
> be to late to understand your shortcoming
> them!!!!!!!
> Steve
> 
> PS - The below did give me a good laugh:-)
> 
> --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> > Steve,
> >
> > "Think about it, if Clinton would have done what
> > Bush did, 3,000 people
> > would be alive now.  You can't argue with that."
> >
> > See  http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ - I guess you
> > must have meant "American
> > people". And who knows what would have happened if
> > Clinton had done what
> > Bush did? It could have incited even higher levels
> > of anti-Americanism and
> > more terrorist acts.
> >
> > And I love this sentiment - "If they act up, well
> > stomp on them." I wonder
> > why some of them don't like us?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> Behalf
> > Of Steve
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:49 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> Rivera
> > reports
> >
> >
> > Slim
> > Let me help you with your answer below.  I know
> you
> > Liberal are out there but you really need to stop
> > hating Bush and analyze the facts.
> >
> > The US needed a contractor, if not Halliburton,
> then
> > WHO?  Halliburton is one of the biggest company in
> > the
> > world, operating in countries with offices all
> over
> > the world.  The US can't contract with Billy Bob
> > Democrate if they are not big enough to handle the
> > job.  Halliburton is hugh.  All contractor have
> > audit
> > problems.  Trust me, I work for the government;
> all
> > contractors get audit findings and when the
> auditors
> > find something; the problem is corected.  Its
> normal
> > whether the contractor is Democrate or Republican.
> >
> > The US is safer; much safer.  Remember, since
> 9/11,
> > we
> > haven't been hit on our own soil.  Yes, thier
> > hitting
> > us oversea, Irag but thier hitting the military,
> NOT
> > citizens.  We are keeping them pin down over
> there,
> > oversea.  This is the smart things to do. 
> Remember,
> > Clinton had 8 years, they attached the twin
> towers,
> > Our foreign embassies, the USS Cole and all
> Clinton
> > did was lob a few bombs at them.  Think about it,
> if
> > Clinton would have done what Bush did, 3,000
> people
> > would be alive now.  You can't argue with that.
> >
> > As for oil prices, This country has plenty of oil.
> > If
> > democrate would stop fighting and let the US pump
> > its
> > own oil, then gas would be under a $1 a gallon. 
> You
> > can't blame that on Bush.  Remember, up in Alaski
> > where only anamil is a polar bear & nothing else -
> > think about it - why don't we pump that out & use
> > it.
> > Its the Democrate that stop that.  Funny thing is
> > that
> > the people in Alaski wanted the business up there.
> > Go
> > figure!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > As for US relation, remember we are the lone Super
> > Power,  sometimes everbody is not going to like
> us.
> > Do we stop pushing our values, our fight for
> freedom
> > around the world, for rights for Women & children.
> > You would think that these are Democrate values.
> > Whats up with that?  Besides screw the French &
> > Germans, France couldn't wipe its way out of a wet
> > paper bag & Germany - well, we have wipe them
> before
> > &
> > we can do it again if they don't like what we are
> > doing.  That why we keep Militery Bases in Germany
> &
> > Japan.  If they act up, well stomp on them.  You
> all
> > should know this stuff- Remember - Freedom is NOT
> > Free!!!!!! And War is ulgy!!!  Its always best to
> > fight on some other country soil.
> >
> > As for the economy, Clinton lived off Reagon &
> Bush
> > Sr. economy policies & cut the CIA, FBI & military
> > budgets to make that surplus.  Bush Jr. will fix
> the
> > mess that Clinton made.  YOu should be thanking
> > Bush.
> > If you analyze economice over the last decade, you
> > would know this.  LIke I said, you got to stop
> > hating
> > Bush and analyze these things.  I don't hate
> > Clinton,
> > you a good old country boy who liked to party.  He
> > party here in Arkansas, raise taxes, grew
> government
> > out of control, our supress court rule that our
> > Education system was unconstitutional.  Now you
> > would
> > think with Clinton saying he was the Education
> > President, why did he leave Arkansas in such a
> mess.
> >
> > O'well, this is a waste of my time.  Folks you
> have
> > to
> > analyze things for what they are, leave personal
> > feeling out of it.  Do what best for our
> country!!!!
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Is Halliburton making a fortune?  Yes!  Has this
> > > stabilized the middle east?
> > > No!  Has it made the US safer?  No!  Has it had
> a
> > > positive effect on gas
> > > prices?  Yes, if you're an oil company.  Has
> Bush
> > > spent his way to the
> > > highest deficit in history?  Yes!  Has it led to
> > > better US relations with
> > > ANY other country in the world?  Yes, if you're
> > > Israel.  Has this
> > > administration become a Fascist regime?  Yes!
> > > (Fascism:  When government is
> > > in bed with industry, when civil rights are
> taken
> > > away and the rule is by
> > > intimidation, threat and fear.)  Is the war on
> > > terrorism best fought in Iraq
> > > (no connection to 9/11, but over 150,000 troops)
> > or
> > > Afghanistan (confirmed
> > > connection to 9/11, but only 11,000 troops?) And
> > > speaking of connections to
> > > 9/11, why do we have this cozy relationship with
> > > Saudi Arabia?  Could it
> > > be...um...the oil?  Is it not the real Taliban
> > > training ground?  Most of the
> > > hijackers were Saudis,  Osama's a Saudi.
> > Hello????
> > > One week after 9/11,
> > > anyone with a Saudi passport was allowed into
> the
> > > US.  Egyptian--No!
> > > Iranian--No!  Moroccan--No!  French--Kiss My
> Ass!
> > > Oh, but Saudis--no
> > > problem.  Bring money!
> > >
> > > And does all this take Americans' minds off the
> > > domestic problems that Bush
> > > has worsened?  He wishes!!!
> > >
> > > So I guess Geraldo didn't see the news today
> (Wed)
> > > from Fallujah, huh?  I'm
> > > referring to the nine Americans killed in a raid
> > > where Iraqis dragged the
> > > burned and mutilated bodies behind cars and hung
> > > them up on a bridge.  How's
> > > he gonna sugar-coat that one?  Is THAT simply
> > > leftist reporting?  A couple
> > > weeks ago Peter Jennings from ABC (Steve, some
> say
> > > ABC is too liberal, some
> > > say it's not liberal enough--but nobody says
> it's
> > > conservative) was on
> > > location in Iraq reporting on the state of
> affairs
> > > one year after the
> > > invasion.  There was plenty of positive news,
> but
> > to
> > > suggest that the Dems
> > > are "nitpicking" for reporting stories like this
> > one
> > > from Fallujah is
> > > absurd.  C' mon!  Consider the source.  Geraldo
> > > Rivera???!!!  I'll take Al
> > > Franken's word over Geraldo's any day.  Hell,
> I'd
> > > even take Rush Limbaugh's
> > > word over Geraldo's.
> > >
> > > But my real hero these days is Richard
> > > Clarke--tellin' it like it is!!!
> > > There's no getting around it--the incumbent has
> to
> > > go come November!!!
> > >
> > > Slim
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/31/04 6:58 PM, "ed kroposki"
> > > <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey mark, check this out in scopes.  It was
> just
> > > sent to me.
> > > >
> > > > The buildings that AREN'T burning in Iraq
> > > >
> > > > "They have a saying in the news business,"
> > Geraldo
> > > Rivera related this
> > > > week. "Reporters don't report buildings that
> > don't
> > > burn." And with that
> > > > introduction, he told a TV audience about the
> > > story that is being
> > > > systematically denied to our entire nation:
> the
> > > success story of
> > > > post-Saddam Iraq.
> > > >
> > > > Are we losing some soldiers each week? Yes,.
> Is
> > > there some frustration
> > > > in the public about electricity and water
> > service?
> > > Yes. Are some Saddam
> > > > Hussein loyalists throughout the land, making
> > > trouble? Yes. Has this
> > > > opened a window for some terrorist mischief?
> > Yes.
> > > But that's ALL we
> > > > hear. No wonder the country is in a mixed mood
> > > about Iraq. If you hear
> > > > about the buildings that are not burning,
> > though,
> > > it is a different
> > > > story indeed.
> > > >
> > > > Rivera is no shill for George W. Bush. But
> Bush,
> > > Condi Rice and Colin
> > > > Powell together could not have been as
> effective
> > > as Geraldo was Thursday
> > > > night on the Fox News Channel's Hannity and
> > Colmes
> > > program.
> > > >
> > > > "When I got to Baghdad, I barely recognized
> it,"
> > > he began, Comparing his
> > > > just-completed trip to two others he made
> during
> > > and just after the
> > > > battle to topple Saddam. "You have over 30,000
> > > Iraqi cops and militiamen
> > > > already on the job.
> > > >
> > > > This is four months after major fighting
> > stopped.
> > > Can you imagine that
> > > > kind of gearing up in this country? Law and
> > order
> > > is better;
> > > > archaeological sites are being preserved;
> > > factories, schools are being
> > > > guarded." But what about the secondhand
> griping
> > > that the media have been
> > > > so efficiently relating about power, water and
> > > other infrastructure?
> > > >
> > > > "To say that Iraq is being rebuilt is not
> true,"
> > > answered Rivera. "Iraq
> > > > is being built. There was no infrastructure
> > > before; we are doing it. I
> > > > just think the good news is being
> underestimated
> > > and underreported." At
> > > > this juncture, one must evaluate how to feel
> > about
> > > the voices telling us
> > > > only about the bad news in Iraq, whether from
> > the
> > > mouths of news anchors
> > > > or Democratic presidential hopefuls. At best,
> > they
> > > are underinformed. At
> > > > worst, their one-sided assessments of
> > post-Saddam
> > > Iraq are intentional
> > > > falsehoods for obvious reasons.
> > > >
> > > > If I hear one more person mock that "Mission
> > > Accomplished" banner
> > > > beneath which President Bush thanked a
> shipload
> > of
> > > sailors and Marines a
> > > > few months back, I'm going to spit. That was a
> > > reference to the ouster
> > > > of Saddam's regime, and that mission was
> indeed
> > > accomplished, apparently
> > > > to the great chagrin of the American left. No
> > one
> > > said what followed
> > > > would be easy or cheap, and that's why the
> > > dripping-water torture of the
> > > > cost and casualty stories is so infuriating.
> > > Remember we pay our
> > > > soldiers whether they are in Iraq or in Ft
> > Bragg,
> > > North Carolina. We
> > > > should all mourn the loss of every fallen
> > soldier.
> > > But context cries out
> > > > to be heard. Our present news media is not
> > > performing this task. As some
> > > > dare to wonder if this might become a
> > Vietnam-like
> > > quagmire, I'll remind
> > > > whoever needs it that most of our 58,000
> Vietnam
> > > war toll died between
> > > > 1966 and 1972, during which we lost an average
> > of
> > > about 8,000 per year.
> > > > That's about 22 per day, every day, for
> > thousands
> > > of days on
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Local elections are under way across Iraq,
> > Rivera
> > > reported. "Where Kurds
> > > > and Arabs have been battling for decades,
> things
> > > have been settling
> > > > down. Administrator Paul Bremer is doing a
> great
> > > job." So does Geraldo
> > > > think his media colleagues are intentionally
> > > painting with one side of
> > > > the brush? "I'm not into conspiracy theories,
> > but
> > > there's just more bang
> > > > for your buck when you report the GI who got
> > > killed rather than the 99
> > > > who didn't get killed, who make friends, who
> > > helped schedule elections,
> > > > who helped shops get open for business, who
> > helped
> > > traffic flow again.
> > > >
> > > > "The vast majority of Iraqis are very happy to
> > > have us there. I would
> > > > like to see a bit more balance." This needs to
> > be
> > > reported to the
> > > > American Public who are presently being duped.
> I
> > > expect the dominant
> > > > media culture to nitpick and attack Bush, and
> > > Democrats to blast him
> > > > with reckless abandon. But when that leads to
> > the
> > > willful exclusion of
> > > > facts that would shine truthful light on the
> > great
> > > work of the American
> > > > armed forces, that level of malice plumbs new
> > > depths."
> > > >
> > > > If you have a friend that is looking for the
> > > truth, pass this on.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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