Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports

[Steve]

Well, I always like stirring up the list, Wally:-)

It doesn't matter if Irag attached us or not. 
Afgrangan would have never solved our problem.  Irag
is the big factor in fixing the that area.  Plus it
give us an army on both side of Iran if we need to
attact there also.  You all need to remember, it
doesn't matter what we do; those people HATE us.  No
matter how nice we are, no matter what we do - They
are going to be attaching us unless we clean it up. 
That the bottom line.  Simple as that.  We clean it up
or more american die.  Its an easy choice and you
factor in that 3,000 American have already died.  You
can't enorgh it like Clinton did - that what caused
the problem.  It like the school boy example I gave. 
If you let them pick on you, they will keep on.  Wipe
the crap out of them - problem solved.  It is really
as simple as that.  What I don't think most people
factor into thier analysis is that we are not dealing
with raconal people; they hate us, always have, always
will, nothing will change that.  However, change thier
whole way of life; and thier KIDS (not the adults) MAY
grow up with a different mindset.  
Steve


--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> Just who in Iraq picked on us? If you know the
> answer please let the media 
> in on your secret. Going after Bin laden was the
> right thing to do. Not sure 
> what that has to do with Iraq though.
> 
> So one is a coward or a puss just because they don't
> agree we should attack 
> a country that never attacked us? The lack of logic
> and facts behind your 
> comments makes me wonder if you really believe the
> BS you are spewing or are 
> you just trying to stir up the list....
> 
> Wally
> 
> >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> Politics Geraldo Rivera 
> >reports
> >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:20:44 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >I knew you got pick on in school:-)  Should have
> stood
> >up & fought.  It work ever time:-)
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >--- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> > > Dang. Just reread what I wrote. Sorry folks. I
> guess
> > > I let him get to me.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> Behalf
> > > Of Mark Kaynor
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:14 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> Rivera
> > > reports
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > > I remember 9/11 - in a pretty personal way, too.
> > > Some friends were lost at
> > > the Naval Operations Center at the Pentagon. The
> > > team had just relocated to
> > > their new offices. I was doing some work for the
> > > Navy at the time and was
> > > asked to compile a list of the relocations since
> our
> > > data was more up to
> > > date than the sources they had available at the
> > > time. As much as I am
> > > opposed to war, I was in favor of us going to
> > > Afghanistan to try and root
> > > out that evil.
> > >
> > > But Iraq is so NOT 9/11.
> > >
> > > Nobody ever said we should be "pusses". Not sure
> how
> > > saying "a lot more than
> > > 3000 people have died since 9/11" makes me a
> puss,
> > > but I guess that's your
> > > call.
> > >
> > > I can see  how you thought what I wrote was
> funny.
> > > Particularly since you
> > > think I'm just a stupid liberal. Thanks for
> > > unimaginative, narrow minded,
> > > jingoistic, "balls to the walls" abusive
> > > "discussion" and name calling. Kind
> > > of reminds me of some of the other bullies I've
> > > known.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> Behalf
> > > Of Steve
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:00 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> Rivera
> > > reports
> > >
> > >
> > > Mercy Mark.  Do you not remember 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > You
> > > have to fight to be free.  You can't be a puss &
> > > expect this country to remain free.  Freedom is
> not
> > > Free!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I am wasting my time - You
> can
> > > take
> > > a mule to water; but you can't make it drink!!!!
>  I
> > > guess that saying go also that you can show a
> person
> > > the information - But you can't keep them from
> being
> > > stupid!!!!!!!!!!!  I bet you were one of those
> folks
> > > on the playground that ran to the teacher ever
> time
> > > a
> > > bully polk at you or made fun of you.  Mercy, NO
> > > bully
> > > ever made fun of me & got away with it.  Do you
> > > reallt
> > > think of lieing around with you head in the sand
> > > will
> > > make anyone be nice to you.  No one respects a
> puss.
> > > The seene yesterday is a replay of Blackhaulk
> Down-
> > > The Terrorists think if they hit us Hard we will
> > > puss
> > > out.  We have them by the balls now!!!!  All we
> have
> > > to do is strick back even harder & the job will
> be
> > > all
> > > but done.  That how you win a war.  The other
> side
> > > never plays fair.  This country is the only
> country
> > > on
> > > the plantet that plays fair.  We have to hit
> them
> > > hard
> > > now & finish the job and the world will be a
> better
> > > place for it.
> > >
> > > Well, I have said my piece.  It never suprised
> of
> > > some
> > > of the stuff that I read by the Libreal.  Of
> course
> > > your fellow libreals may like you for it but
> think
> > > about it; being a puss is still being a puss -
> how
> > > can
> > > you respect yourself in the morning.  At least
> you
> > > have Bush to thanks for still having the freedom
> to
> > > voice your opinion.  If we ever lose one of
> these
> > > war;
> > > and a dirty bomb or mini nuke wipe us out by all
> > > these
> > > terrorists, what are you going to do them:-) It
> will
> > > be to late to understand your shortcoming
> > > them!!!!!!!
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > PS - The below did give me a good laugh:-)
> > >
> > > --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> > > > Steve,
> > > >
> > > > "Think about it, if Clinton would have done
> what
> > > > Bush did, 3,000 people
> > > > would be alive now.  You can't argue with
> that."
> > > >
> > > > See  http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ - I guess
> you
> > > > must have meant "American
> > > > people". And who knows what would have
> happened if
> > > > Clinton had done what
> > > > Bush did? It could have incited even higher
> levels
> > > > of anti-Americanism and
> > > > more terrorist acts.
> > > >
> > > > And I love this sentiment - "If they act up,
> well
> > > > stomp on them." I wonder
> > > > why some of them don't like us?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of Steve
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:49 AM
> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> > > Rivera
> > > > reports
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Slim
> > > > Let me help you with your answer below.  I
> know
> > > you
> > > > Liberal are out there but you really need to
> stop
> > > > hating Bush and analyze the facts.
> > > >
> > > > The US needed a contractor, if not
> Halliburton,
> > > then
> > > > WHO?  Halliburton is one of the biggest
> company in
> > > > the
> > > > world, operating in countries with offices all
> > > over
> > > > the world.  The US can't contract with Billy
> Bob
> > > > Democrate if they are not big enough to handle
> the
> > > > job.  Halliburton is hugh.  All contractor
> have
> > > > audit
> > > > problems.  Trust me, I work for the
> government;
> > > all
> > > > contractors get audit findings and when the
> > > auditors
> > > > find something; the problem is corected.  Its
> > > normal
> > > > whether the contractor is Democrate or
> Republican.
> > > >
> > > > The US is safer; much safer.  Remember, since
> > > 9/11,
> > > > we
> > > > haven't been hit on our own soil.  Yes, thier
> > > > hitting
> > > > us oversea, Irag but thier hitting the
> military,
> > > NOT
> > > > citizens.  We are keeping them pin down over
> > > there,
> > > > oversea.  This is the smart things to do.
> > > Remember,
> > > > Clinton had 8 years, they attached the twin
> > > towers,
> > > > Our foreign embassies, the USS Cole and all
> > > Clinton
> > > > did was lob a few bombs at them.  Think about
> it,
> > > if
> > > > Clinton would have done what Bush did, 3,000
> > > people
> > > > would be alive now.  You can't argue with
> that.
> > > >
> > > > As for oil prices, This country has plenty of
> oil.
> > > > If
> > > > democrate would stop fighting and let the US
> pump
> > > > its
> > > > own oil, then gas would be under a $1 a
> gallon.
> > > You
> > > > can't blame that on Bush.  Remember, up in
> Alaski
> > > > where only anamil is a polar bear & nothing
> else -
> > > > think about it - why don't we pump that out &
> use
> > > > it.
> > > > Its the Democrate that stop that.  Funny thing
> is
> > > > that
> > > > the people in Alaski wanted the business up
> there.
> > > > Go
> > > > figure!!!!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > As for US relation, remember we are the lone
> Super
> > > > Power,  sometimes everbody is not going to
> like
> > > us.
> > > > Do we stop pushing our values, our fight for
> > > freedom
> > > > around the world, for rights for Women &
> children.
> > > > You would think that these are Democrate
> values.
> > > > Whats up with that?  Besides screw the French
> &
> > > > Germans, France couldn't wipe its way out of a
> wet
> > > > paper bag & Germany - well, we have wipe them
> > > before
> > > > &
> > > > we can do it again if they don't like what we
> are
> > > > doing.  That why we keep Militery Bases in
> Germany
> > > &
> > > > Japan.  If they act up, well stomp on them. 
> You
> > > all
> > > > should know this stuff- Remember - Freedom is
> NOT
> > > > Free!!!!!! And War is ulgy!!!  Its always best
> to
> > > > fight on some other country soil.
> > > >
> > > > As for the economy, Clinton lived off Reagon &
> > > Bush
> > > > Sr. economy policies & cut the CIA, FBI &
> military
> > > > budgets to make that surplus.  Bush Jr. will
> fix
> > > the
> > > > mess that Clinton made.  YOu should be
> thanking
> > > > Bush.
> > > > If you analyze economice over the last decade,
> you
> > > > would know this.  LIke I said, you got to stop
> > > > hating
> > > > Bush and analyze these things.  I don't hate
> > > > Clinton,
> > > > you a good old country boy who liked to party.
>  He
> > > > party here in Arkansas, raise taxes, grew
> > > government
> > > > out of control, our supress court rule that
> our
> > > > Education system was unconstitutional.  Now
> you
> > > > would
> > > > think with Clinton saying he was the Education
> > > > President, why did he leave Arkansas in such a
> > > mess.
> > > >
> > > > O'well, this is a waste of my time.  Folks you
> > > have
> > > > to
> > > > analyze things for what they are, leave
> personal
> > > > feeling out of it.  Do what best for our
> > > country!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > Is Halliburton making a fortune?  Yes!  Has
> this
> > > > > stabilized the middle east?
> > > > > No!  Has it made the US safer?  No!  Has it
> had
> > > a
> > > > > positive effect on gas
> > > > > prices?  Yes, if you're an oil company.  Has
> > > Bush
> > > > > spent his way to the
> > > > > highest deficit in history?  Yes!  Has it
> led to
> > > > > better US relations with
> > > > > ANY other country in the world?  Yes, if
> you're
> > > > > Israel.  Has this
> > > > > administration become a Fascist regime? 
> Yes!
> > > > > (Fascism:  When government is
> > > > > in bed with industry, when civil rights are
> > > taken
> > > > > away and the rule is by
> > > > > intimidation, threat and fear.)  Is the war
> on
> > > > > terrorism best fought in Iraq
> > > > > (no connection to 9/11, but over 150,000
> troops)
> > > > or
> > > > > Afghanistan (confirmed
> > > > > connection to 9/11, but only 11,000 troops?)
> And
> > > > > speaking of connections to
> > > > > 9/11, why do we have this cozy relationship
> with
> > > > > Saudi Arabia?  Could it
> > > > > be...um...the oil?  Is it not the real
> Taliban
> > > > > training ground?  Most of the
> > > > > hijackers were Saudis,  Osama's a Saudi.
> > > > Hello????
> > > > > One week after 9/11,
> > > > > anyone with a Saudi passport was allowed
> into
> > > the
> > > > > US.  Egyptian--No!
> > > > > Iranian--No!  Moroccan--No!  French--Kiss My
> > > Ass!
> > > > > Oh, but Saudis--no
> > > > > problem.  Bring money!
> > > > >
> > > > > And does all this take Americans' minds off
> the
> > > > > domestic problems that Bush
> > > > > has worsened?  He wishes!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > So I guess Geraldo didn't see the news today
> > > (Wed)
> > > > > from Fallujah, huh?  I'm
> > > > > referring to the nine Americans killed in a
> raid
> > > > > where Iraqis dragged the
> > > > > burned and mutilated bodies behind cars and
> hung
> > > > > them up on a bridge.  How's
> > > > > he gonna sugar-coat that one?  Is THAT
> simply
> > > > > leftist reporting?  A couple
> > > > > weeks ago Peter Jennings from ABC (Steve,
> some
> > > say
> > > > > ABC is too liberal, some
> > > > > say it's not liberal enough--but nobody says
> > > it's
> > > > > conservative) was on
> > > > > location in Iraq reporting on the state of
> > > affairs
> > > > > one year after the
> > > > > invasion.  There was plenty of positive
> news,
> > > but
> > > > to
> > > > > suggest that the Dems
> > > > > are "nitpicking" for reporting stories like
> this
> > > > one
> > > > > from Fallujah is
> > > > > absurd.  C' mon!  Consider the source. 
> Geraldo
> > > > > Rivera???!!!  I'll take Al
> > > > > Franken's word over Geraldo's any day. 
> Hell,
> > > I'd
> > > > > even take Rush Limbaugh's
> > > > > word over Geraldo's.
> > > > >
> > > > > But my real hero these days is Richard
> > > > > Clarke--tellin' it like it is!!!
> > > > > There's no getting around it--the incumbent
> has
> > > to
> > > > > go come November!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Slim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 3/31/04 6:58 PM, "ed kroposki"
> > > > > <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hey mark, check this out in scopes.  It
> was
> > > just
> > > > > sent to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The buildings that AREN'T burning in Iraq
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "They have a saying in the news business,"
> > > > Geraldo
> > > > > Rivera related this
> > > > > > week. "Reporters don't report buildings
> that
> > > > don't
> > > > > burn." And with that
> > > > > > introduction, he told a TV audience about
> the
> > > > > story that is being
> > > > > > systematically denied to our entire
> nation:
> > > the
> > > > > success story of
> > > > > > post-Saddam Iraq.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are we losing some soldiers each week?
> Yes,.
> > > Is
> > > > > there some frustration
> > > > > > in the public about electricity and water
> > > > service?
> > > > > Yes. Are some Saddam
> > > > > > Hussein loyalists throughout the land,
> making
> > > > > trouble? Yes. Has this
> > > > > > opened a window for some terrorist
> mischief?
> > > > Yes.
> > > > > But that's ALL we
> > > > > > hear. No wonder the country is in a mixed
> mood
> > > > > about Iraq. If you hear
> > > > > > about the buildings that are not burning,
> > > > though,
> > > > > it is a different
> > > > > > story indeed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rivera is no shill for George W. Bush. But
> > > Bush,
> > > > > Condi Rice and Colin
> > > > > > Powell together could not have been as
> > > effective
> > > > > as Geraldo was Thursday
> > > > > > night on the Fox News Channel's Hannity
> and
> > > > Colmes
> > > > > program.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "When I got to Baghdad, I barely
> recognized
> > > it,"
> > > > > he began, Comparing his
> > > > > > just-completed trip to two others he made
> > > during
> > > > > and just after the
> > > > > > battle to topple Saddam. "You have over
> 30,000
> > > > > Iraqi cops and militiamen
> > > > > > already on the job.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is four months after major fighting
> > > > stopped.
> > > > > Can you imagine that
> > > > > > kind of gearing up in this country? Law
> and
> > > > order
> > > > > is better;
> > > > > > archaeological sites are being preserved;
> > > > > factories, schools are being
> > > > > > guarded." But what about the secondhand
> > > griping
> > > > > that the media have been
> > > > > > so efficiently relating about power, water
> and
> > > > > other infrastructure?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "To say that Iraq is being rebuilt is not
> > > true,"
> > > > > answered Rivera. "Iraq
> > > > > > is being built. There was no
> infrastructure
> > > > > before; we are doing it. I
> > > > > > just think the good news is being
> > > underestimated
> > > > > and underreported." At
> > > > > > this juncture, one must evaluate how to
> feel
> > > > about
> > > > > the voices telling us
> > > > > > only about the bad news in Iraq, whether
> from
> > > > the
> > > > > mouths of news anchors
> > > > > > or Democratic presidential hopefuls. At
> best,
> > > > they
> > > > > are underinformed. At
> > > > > > worst, their one-sided assessments of
> > > > post-Saddam
> > > > > Iraq are intentional
> > > > > > falsehoods for obvious reasons.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I hear one more person mock that
> "Mission
> > > > > Accomplished" banner
> > > > > > beneath which President Bush thanked a
> > > shipload
> > > > of
> > > > > sailors and Marines a
> > > > > > few months back, I'm going to spit. That
> was a
> > > > > reference to the ouster
> > > > > > of Saddam's regime, and that mission was
> > > indeed
> > > > > accomplished, apparently
> > > > > > to the great chagrin of the American left.
> No
> > > > one
> > > > > said what followed
> > > > > > would be easy or cheap, and that's why the
> > > > > dripping-water torture of the
> > > > > > cost and casualty stories is so
> infuriating.
> > > > > Remember we pay our
> > > > > > soldiers whether they are in Iraq or in Ft
> > > > Bragg,
> > > > > North Carolina. We
> > > > > > should all mourn the loss of every fallen
> > > > soldier.
> > > > > But context cries out
> > > > > > to be heard. Our present news media is not
> > > > > performing this task. As some
> > > > > > dare to wonder if this might become a
> > > > Vietnam-like
> > > > > quagmire, I'll remind
> > > > > > whoever needs it that most of our 58,000
> > > Vietnam
> > > > > war toll died between
> > > > > > 1966 and 1972, during which we lost an
> average
> > > > of
> > > > > about 8,000 per year.
> > > > > > That's about 22 per day, every day, for
> > > > thousands
> > > > > of days on
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Local elections are under way across Iraq,
> > > > Rivera
> > > > > reported. "Where Kurds
> > > > > > and Arabs have been battling for decades,
> > > things
> > > > > have been settling
> > > > > > down. Administrator Paul Bremer is doing a
> > > great
> > > > > job." So does Geraldo
> > > > > > think his media colleagues are
> intentionally
> > > > > painting with one side of
> > > > > > the brush? "I'm not into conspiracy
> theories,
> > > > but
> > > > > there's just more bang
> > > > > > for your buck when you report the GI who
> got
> > > > > killed rather than the 99
> > > > > > who didn't get killed, who make friends,
> who
> > > > > helped schedule elections,
> > > > > > who helped shops get open for business,
> who
> > > > helped
> > > > > traffic flow again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The vast majority of Iraqis are very
> happy to
> > > > > have us there. I would
> > > > > > like to see a bit more balance." This
> needs to
> > > > be
> > > > > reported to the
> > > > > > American Public who are presently being
> duped.
> > > I
> > > > > expect the dominant
> > > > > > media culture to nitpick and attack Bush,
> and
> > > > > Democrats to blast him
> > > > > > with reckless abandon. But when that leads
> to
> > > > the
> > > > > willful exclusion of
> > > > > > facts that would shine truthful light on
> the
> > > > great
> > > > > work of the American
> > > > > > armed forces, that level of malice plumbs
> new
> > > > > depths."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have a friend that is looking for
> the
> > > > > truth, pass this on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
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