Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
Steve
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:-)
Steve
--- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Works in what way? Proves you're belligerent? I'll
> grant you that. Makes
> people get our of your way? Yep. Wins respect? Not
> from me, that's for sure.
> Generates good will? Yeah, right.
>
> I simply don't agree w/ you and you can't browbeat
> me into it.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf
> Of Steve
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:21 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> Politics Geraldo Rivera
> reports
>
>
> I knew you got pick on in school:-) Should have
> stood
> up & fought. It work ever time:-)
> Steve
>
>
> --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> > Dang. Just reread what I wrote. Sorry folks. I
> guess
> > I let him get to me.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> Behalf
> > Of Mark Kaynor
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:14 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> Rivera
> > reports
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I remember 9/11 - in a pretty personal way, too.
> > Some friends were lost at
> > the Naval Operations Center at the Pentagon. The
> > team had just relocated to
> > their new offices. I was doing some work for the
> > Navy at the time and was
> > asked to compile a list of the relocations since
> our
> > data was more up to
> > date than the sources they had available at the
> > time. As much as I am
> > opposed to war, I was in favor of us going to
> > Afghanistan to try and root
> > out that evil.
> >
> > But Iraq is so NOT 9/11.
> >
> > Nobody ever said we should be "pusses". Not sure
> how
> > saying "a lot more than
> > 3000 people have died since 9/11" makes me a puss,
> > but I guess that's your
> > call.
> >
> > I can see how you thought what I wrote was funny.
> > Particularly since you
> > think I'm just a stupid liberal. Thanks for
> > unimaginative, narrow minded,
> > jingoistic, "balls to the walls" abusive
> > "discussion" and name calling. Kind
> > of reminds me of some of the other bullies I've
> > known.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> Behalf
> > Of Steve
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:00 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> Rivera
> > reports
> >
> >
> > Mercy Mark. Do you not remember 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!
> > You
> > have to fight to be free. You can't be a puss &
> > expect this country to remain free. Freedom is
> not
> > Free!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am wasting my time - You can
> > take
> > a mule to water; but you can't make it drink!!!!
> I
> > guess that saying go also that you can show a
> person
> > the information - But you can't keep them from
> being
> > stupid!!!!!!!!!!! I bet you were one of those
> folks
> > on the playground that ran to the teacher ever
> time
> > a
> > bully polk at you or made fun of you. Mercy, NO
> > bully
> > ever made fun of me & got away with it. Do you
> > reallt
> > think of lieing around with you head in the sand
> > will
> > make anyone be nice to you. No one respects a
> puss.
> > The seene yesterday is a replay of Blackhaulk
> Down-
> > The Terrorists think if they hit us Hard we will
> > puss
> > out. We have them by the balls now!!!! All we
> have
> > to do is strick back even harder & the job will be
> > all
> > but done. That how you win a war. The other side
> > never plays fair. This country is the only
> country
> > on
> > the plantet that plays fair. We have to hit them
> > hard
> > now & finish the job and the world will be a
> better
> > place for it.
> >
> > Well, I have said my piece. It never suprised of
> > some
> > of the stuff that I read by the Libreal. Of
> course
> > your fellow libreals may like you for it but think
> > about it; being a puss is still being a puss - how
> > can
> > you respect yourself in the morning. At least you
> > have Bush to thanks for still having the freedom
> to
> > voice your opinion. If we ever lose one of these
> > war;
> > and a dirty bomb or mini nuke wipe us out by all
> > these
> > terrorists, what are you going to do them:-) It
> will
> > be to late to understand your shortcoming
> > them!!!!!!!
> > Steve
> >
> > PS - The below did give me a good laugh:-)
> >
> > --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > > "Think about it, if Clinton would have done what
> > > Bush did, 3,000 people
> > > would be alive now. You can't argue with that."
> > >
> > > See http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ - I guess you
> > > must have meant "American
> > > people". And who knows what would have happened
> if
> > > Clinton had done what
> > > Bush did? It could have incited even higher
> levels
> > > of anti-Americanism and
> > > more terrorist acts.
> > >
> > > And I love this sentiment - "If they act up,
> well
> > > stomp on them." I wonder
> > > why some of them don't like us?
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Steve
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:49 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> > Rivera
> > > reports
> > >
> > >
> > > Slim
> > > Let me help you with your answer below. I know
> > you
> > > Liberal are out there but you really need to
> stop
> > > hating Bush and analyze the facts.
> > >
> > > The US needed a contractor, if not Halliburton,
> > then
> > > WHO? Halliburton is one of the biggest company
> in
> > > the
> > > world, operating in countries with offices all
> > over
> > > the world. The US can't contract with Billy Bob
> > > Democrate if they are not big enough to handle
> the
> > > job. Halliburton is hugh. All contractor have
> > > audit
> > > problems. Trust me, I work for the government;
> > all
> > > contractors get audit findings and when the
> > auditors
> > > find something; the problem is corected. Its
> > normal
> > > whether the contractor is Democrate or
> Republican.
> > >
> > > The US is safer; much safer. Remember, since
> > 9/11,
> > > we
> > > haven't been hit on our own soil. Yes, thier
> > > hitting
> > > us oversea, Irag but thier hitting the military,
> > NOT
> > > citizens. We are keeping them pin down over
> > there,
> > > oversea. This is the smart things to do.
> > Remember,
> > > Clinton had 8 years, they attached the twin
> > towers,
> > > Our foreign embassies, the USS Cole and all
> > Clinton
> > > did was lob a few bombs at them. Think about
> it,
> > if
> > > Clinton would have done what Bush did, 3,000
> > people
> > > would be alive now. You can't argue with that.
> > >
> > > As for oil prices, This country has plenty of
> oil.
> > > If
> > > democrate would stop fighting and let the US
> pump
> > > its
> > > own oil, then gas would be under a $1 a gallon.
> > You
> > > can't blame that on Bush. Remember, up in
> Alaski
> > > where only anamil is a polar bear & nothing else
> -
> > > think about it - why don't we pump that out &
> use
> > > it.
> > > Its the Democrate that stop that. Funny thing
> is
> > > that
> > > the people in Alaski wanted the business up
> there.
> > > Go
> > > figure!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > As for US relation, remember we are the lone
> Super
> > > Power, sometimes everbody is not going to like
> > us.
> > > Do we stop pushing our values, our fight for
> > freedom
> > > around the world, for rights for Women &
> children.
> > > You would think that these are Democrate values.
> > > Whats up with that? Besides screw the French &
> > > Germans, France couldn't wipe its way out of a
> wet
> > > paper bag & Germany - well, we have wipe them
> > before
> > > &
> > > we can do it again if they don't like what we
> are
> > > doing. That why we keep Militery Bases in
> Germany
> > &
> > > Japan. If they act up, well stomp on them. You
> > all
> > > should know this stuff- Remember - Freedom is
> NOT
> > > Free!!!!!! And War is ulgy!!! Its always best
> to
> > > fight on some other country soil.
> > >
> > > As for the economy, Clinton lived off Reagon &
> > Bush
> > > Sr. economy policies & cut the CIA, FBI &
> military
> > > budgets to make that surplus. Bush Jr. will fix
> > the
> > > mess that Clinton made. YOu should be thanking
> > > Bush.
> > > If you analyze economice over the last decade,
> you
> > > would know this. LIke I said, you got to stop
> > > hating
> > > Bush and analyze these things. I don't hate
> > > Clinton,
> > > you a good old country boy who liked to party.
> He
> > > party here in Arkansas, raise taxes, grew
> > government
> > > out of control, our supress court rule that our
> > > Education system was unconstitutional. Now you
> > > would
> > > think with Clinton saying he was the Education
> > > President, why did he leave Arkansas in such a
> > mess.
> > >
> > > O'well, this is a waste of my time. Folks you
> > have
> > > to
> > > analyze things for what they are, leave personal
> > > feeling out of it. Do what best for our
> > country!!!!
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > Is Halliburton making a fortune? Yes! Has
> this
> > > > stabilized the middle east?
> > > > No! Has it made the US safer? No! Has it
> had
> > a
> > > > positive effect on gas
> > > > prices? Yes, if you're an oil company. Has
> > Bush
> > > > spent his way to the
> > > > highest deficit in history? Yes! Has it led
> to
> > > > better US relations with
> > > > ANY other country in the world? Yes, if
> you're
> > > > Israel. Has this
> > > > administration become a Fascist regime? Yes!
> > > > (Fascism: When government is
> > > > in bed with industry, when civil rights are
> > taken
> > > > away and the rule is by
> > > > intimidation, threat and fear.) Is the war on
> > > > terrorism best fought in Iraq
> > > > (no connection to 9/11, but over 150,000
> troops)
> > > or
> > > > Afghanistan (confirmed
> > > > connection to 9/11, but only 11,000 troops?)
> And
> > > > speaking of connections to
> > > > 9/11, why do we have this cozy relationship
> with
> > > > Saudi Arabia? Could it
> > > > be...um...the oil? Is it not the real Taliban
> > > > training ground? Most of the
> > > > hijackers were Saudis, Osama's a Saudi.
> > > Hello????
> > > > One week after 9/11,
> > > > anyone with a Saudi passport was allowed into
> > the
> > > > US. Egyptian--No!
> > > > Iranian--No! Moroccan--No! French--Kiss My
> > Ass!
> > > > Oh, but Saudis--no
> > > > problem. Bring money!
> > > >
> > > > And does all this take Americans' minds off
> the
> > > > domestic problems that Bush
> > > > has worsened? He wishes!!!
> > > >
> > > > So I guess Geraldo didn't see the news today
> > (Wed)
> > > > from Fallujah, huh? I'm
> > > > referring to the nine Americans killed in a
> raid
> > > > where Iraqis dragged the
> > > > burned and mutilated bodies behind cars and
> hung
> > > > them up on a bridge. How's
> > > > he gonna sugar-coat that one? Is THAT simply
> > > > leftist reporting? A couple
> > > > weeks ago Peter Jennings from ABC (Steve, some
> > say
> > > > ABC is too liberal, some
> > > > say it's not liberal enough--but nobody says
> > it's
> > > > conservative) was on
> > > > location in Iraq reporting on the state of
> > affairs
> > > > one year after the
> > > > invasion. There was plenty of positive news,
> > but
> > > to
> > > > suggest that the Dems
> > > > are "nitpicking" for reporting stories like
> this
> > > one
> > > > from Fallujah is
> > > > absurd. C' mon! Consider the source.
> Geraldo
> > > > Rivera???!!! I'll take Al
> > > > Franken's word over Geraldo's any day. Hell,
> > I'd
> > > > even take Rush Limbaugh's
> > > > word over Geraldo's.
> > > >
> > > > But my real hero these days is Richard
> > > > Clarke--tellin' it like it is!!!
> > > > There's no getting around it--the incumbent
> has
> > to
> > > > go come November!!!
> > > >
> > > > Slim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3/31/04 6:58 PM, "ed kroposki"
> > > > <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey mark, check this out in scopes. It was
> > just
> > > > sent to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > The buildings that AREN'T burning in Iraq
> > > > >
> > > > > "They have a saying in the news business,"
> > > Geraldo
> > > > Rivera related this
> > > > > week. "Reporters don't report buildings that
> > > don't
> > > > burn." And with that
> > > > > introduction, he told a TV audience about
> the
> > > > story that is being
> > > > > systematically denied to our entire nation:
> > the
> > > > success story of
> > > > > post-Saddam Iraq.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are we losing some soldiers each week? Yes,.
> > Is
> > > > there some frustration
> > > > > in the public about electricity and water
> > > service?
> > > > Yes. Are some Saddam
> > > > > Hussein loyalists throughout the land,
> making
> > > > trouble? Yes. Has this
> > > > > opened a window for some terrorist mischief?
> > > Yes.
> > > > But that's ALL we
> > > > > hear. No wonder the country is in a mixed
> mood
> > > > about Iraq. If you hear
> > > > > about the buildings that are not burning,
> > > though,
> > > > it is a different
> > > > > story indeed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rivera is no shill for George W. Bush. But
> > Bush,
> > > > Condi Rice and Colin
> > > > > Powell together could not have been as
> > effective
> > > > as Geraldo was Thursday
> > > > > night on the Fox News Channel's Hannity and
> > > Colmes
> > > > program.
> > > > >
> > > > > "When I got to Baghdad, I barely recognized
> > it,"
> > > > he began, Comparing his
> > > > > just-completed trip to two others he made
> > during
> > > > and just after the
> > > > > battle to topple Saddam. "You have over
> 30,000
> > > > Iraqi cops and militiamen
> > > > > already on the job.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is four months after major fighting
> > > stopped.
> > > > Can you imagine that
> > > > > kind of gearing up in this country? Law and
> > > order
> > > > is better;
> > > > > archaeological sites are being preserved;
> > > > factories, schools are being
> > > > > guarded." But what about the secondhand
> > griping
> > > > that the media have been
> > > > > so efficiently relating about power, water
> and
> > > > other infrastructure?
> > > > >
> > > > > "To say that Iraq is being rebuilt is not
> > true,"
> > > > answered Rivera. "Iraq
> > > > > is being built. There was no infrastructure
> > > > before; we are doing it. I
> > > > > just think the good news is being
> > underestimated
> > > > and underreported." At
> > > > > this juncture, one must evaluate how to feel
> > > about
> > > > the voices telling us
> > > > > only about the bad news in Iraq, whether
> from
> > > the
> > > > mouths of news anchors
> > > > > or Democratic presidential hopefuls. At
> best,
> > > they
> > > > are underinformed. At
> > > > > worst, their one-sided assessments of
> > > post-Saddam
> > > > Iraq are intentional
> > > > > falsehoods for obvious reasons.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I hear one more person mock that "Mission
> > > > Accomplished" banner
> > > > > beneath which President Bush thanked a
> > shipload
> > > of
> > > > sailors and Marines a
> > > > > few months back, I'm going to spit. That was
> a
> > > > reference to the ouster
> > > > > of Saddam's regime, and that mission was
> > indeed
> > > > accomplished, apparently
> > > > > to the great chagrin of the American left.
> No
> > > one
> > > > said what followed
> > > > > would be easy or cheap, and that's why the
> > > > dripping-water torture of the
> > > > > cost and casualty stories is so infuriating.
> > > > Remember we pay our
> > > > > soldiers whether they are in Iraq or in Ft
> > > Bragg,
> > > > North Carolina. We
> > > > > should all mourn the loss of every fallen
> > > soldier.
> > > > But context cries out
> > > > > to be heard. Our present news media is not
> > > > performing this task. As some
> > > > > dare to wonder if this might become a
> > > Vietnam-like
> > > > quagmire, I'll remind
> > > > > whoever needs it that most of our 58,000
> > Vietnam
> > > > war toll died between
> > > > > 1966 and 1972, during which we lost an
> average
> > > of
> > > > about 8,000 per year.
> > > > > That's about 22 per day, every day, for
> > > thousands
> > > > of days on
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Local elections are under way across Iraq,
> > > Rivera
> > > > reported. "Where Kurds
> > > > > and Arabs have been battling for decades,
> > things
> > > > have been settling
> > > > > down. Administrator Paul Bremer is doing a
> > great
> > > > job." So does Geraldo
> > > > > think his media colleagues are intentionally
> > > > painting with one side of
> > > > > the brush? "I'm not into conspiracy
> theories,
> > > but
> > > > there's just more bang
> > > > > for your buck when you report the GI who got
> > > > killed rather than the 99
> > > > > who didn't get killed, who make friends, who
> > > > helped schedule elections,
> > > > > who helped shops get open for business, who
> > > helped
> > > > traffic flow again.
> > > > >
> > > > > "The vast majority of Iraqis are very happy
> to
> > > > have us there. I would
> > > > > like to see a bit more balance." This needs
> to
> > > be
> > > > reported to the
> > > > > American Public who are presently being
> duped.
> > I
> > > > expect the dominant
> > > > > media culture to nitpick and attack Bush,
> and
> > > > Democrats to blast him
> > > > > with reckless abandon. But when that leads
> to
> > > the
> > > > willful exclusion of
> > > > > facts that would shine truthful light on the
> > > great
> > > > work of the American
> > > > > armed forces, that level of malice plumbs
> new
> > > > depths."
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have a friend that is looking for the
> > > > truth, pass this on.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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