[Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked

Michael Meltzer mjm at michaelmeltzer.com
Fri Apr 30 23:43:52 EDT 2004


make it harder on him, you got to be kidding, Cuba is on of Europe favorite tourist desertions, cheap, warm and sunny. Cuba reminder
me of the prisoner who been in jail so long that noone remembers the crime, people are waiting for the old boy to died so their is
an ensues to work things out. Frankly the crap we are doing for the sugar growers and the swamps of FA is bad and we are exporting
production so companys can get cheap sugar.

MJM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked


> Wally
> I admit that the time for Castro has passed.
> Hopefully, this new law will make it harder on him.
> Maybe he will have a heart attack or something.  Once
> the country becomes free; then & only then will it be
> time for the embargo to be lifted.  Then we will go
> down there, make a few golf cources, add some good
> marinas, hotels.  Get that country back on it tracks
> so that the next generation know the true meaning of
> freedom.  The same freedom you & I have. I'd smoke a
> cuban cigar if that happens:-)
> Steve
>
> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I freely admit it is against the law to go to Cuba.
> > Also for the record I am
> > against slavery. So you think you know what is
> > better for the Cuban people
> > than they do? They can't feed their belly with your
> > misguided good
> > intentions. The time for the embargo has passed.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:29:49 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Wally
> > >Do you know that in some part of Africa that you
> > can
> > >still buy slaves???????  But just because you can;
> > >does that make it right.  Of course not.
> > >
> > >Going to Cuba and spending money is against the
> > law.
> > >It prop up Castro & does not benefit the people on
> > the
> > >whole.  Yes, the few people that got your friends
> > >money may have benefit in the short haul; BUT not
> > in
> > >the LONG HAUL.  Not by any means!!!!!!!!
> > >Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Steve,
> > > >
> > > > Of course they broke the law; everyone knows
> > that
> > > > Americans can't trade or
> > > > visit with Cuba. Duh!!! The big picture contains
> > > > more than what is good for
> > > > the US, the big picture includes what is good
> > for
> > > > Cuba.
> > > >
> > > > The issue is do the local Cubans benefit or
> > suffer
> > > > from visits from US
> > > > tourists? I know one couple that has been to
> > Cuba
> > > > three times and they spend
> > > > a bunch of cash that goes right into the pockets
> > of
> > > > the locals. The local
> > > > Cubans surely are thinking of their own bests
> > > > interest and they want the
> > > > embargo lifted. I guess you know what is better
> > for
> > > > the Cubans than they do
> > > > huh? I guess part of being a "superpower" is
> > knowing
> > > > what is best for every
> > > > other country in the world?
> > > >
> > > > Thankfully you are wrong! We are free to leave
> > our
> > > > borders with very few
> > > > exceptions. One could even visit the USSR during
> > the
> > > > Cold War. Travel can be
> > > > restricted to protect our National Security and
> > > > travel restrictions have
> > > > been passed by Congress. These restrictions
> > should
> > > > be linked to our National
> > > > Security.  At one time the embargo with Cuba was
> > > > most likely a good idea.
> > > > That time has clearly passed.
> > > >
> > > > Wally
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > > > >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:05:35 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > >
> > > > >Wally
> > > > >Your friends broke the law.  The government
> > does &
> > > > >always have had the right to tell you what
> > > > countries
> > > > >you can visit.  BTW: Our country is at war. The
> > > > reason
> > > > >you can't see how it hurts is your thinking of
> > only
> > > > >your own seft interests; not the big picture.
> > Try
> > > > to
> > > > >think of it like this; our great country has
> > > > liberated
> > > > >2 terrorist country.  However, we have a
> > dictator
> > > > >right in our own back yard.  This country needs
> > to
> > > > do
> > > > >MORE to correct that & liberate those people
> > also.
> > > > >Remember, it you go there, you are a tourist
> > but
> > > > these
> > > > >supprest people don't have the freedoms that
> > you
> > > > have.
> > > > >  The big pictures is to do all we can do so
> > that
> > > > these
> > > > >suppresed Cubans can experience the same
> > freedom
> > > > that
> > > > >we have.  That will never happen if Americans
> > prop
> > > > up
> > > > >the Cuban Dictator.  The cubans will still
> > suffer &
> > > > >only Castro will benefit from it.
> > > > >Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Steve,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The big picture is our governement should
> > not
> > > > have
> > > > > > the right to tell us what
> > > > > > countries we can visit. I can see exceptions
> > in
> > > > > > times of war but this isn't
> > > > > > the case with Cuba. Many think that the
> > people
> > > > of
> > > > > > Cuba would be better off
> > > > > > if we eased some of the restrictions. I
> > can't
> > > > see
> > > > > > how it would hurt. I
> > > > > > myself have a few friends that have traveled
> > to
> > > > Cuba
> > > > > > on scuba/sailing trips.
> > > > > > It is an amazing country and the locals were
> > > > quite
> > > > > > eager to do business. Our
> > > > > > trade embargos hurt the common man in Cuba
> > much
> > > > more
> > > > > > than it does Castro.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wally
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > > > > > >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:44:17 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Todd
> > > > > > >Your not seeing the big picture.  Your
> > putting
> > > > your
> > > > > > >own self interest before the country.  Yes,
> > > > > > sometime
> > > > > > >this country has to tolerate these
> > situation
> > > > but
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > >is always a good reason.  I have said that
> > in a
> > > > > > >preivous e-mail.  Another previous quote,
> > "But
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >whole or as the basic rule, we should not
> > > > support
> > > > > > >them".  There is simple no reason for
> > Americans
> > > > to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > >going to Cuba or to be planning to go to
> > Cuba.
> > > > > > These
> > > > > > >type of situation take the focus of our
> > Coast
> > > > Guard
> > > > > > >off of it real duty to chase down spoiled
> > > > > > Americans.
> > > > > > >Here is a quote for you, "Ask not what your
> > > > country
> > > > > > >can do for you but what you can do for your
> > > > > > country".
> > > > > > >In this situation, a good thing you can do
> > for
> > > > your
> > > > > > >country is not initiate a situation that
> > our
> > > > Coast
> > > > > > >Guard would have to intervien in such as
> > trying
> > > > or
> > > > > > >planing on going to Cuba.  There is just no
> > > > point
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > >it when our country is at war and our Coast
> > > > Guard
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > >other priorities.
> > > > > > >Steve
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Steve,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >     But if Castro had wealth or oil to
> > > > spread
> > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > here in the U.S. like say....the Royal
> > > > family in
> > > > > > > > Saudi Arabia... then he would also be
> > > > welcomed
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > open arms??  Give me a freaking break.
> > The
> > > > > > United
> > > > > > > > States supports dictators when it
> > benefits
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > United States.  Castro is too proud and
> > > > defiant
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > bend over and kiss America's ass.  Bush
> > is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > pulling election year politics (which he
> > > > learned
> > > > > > > > from watching Clinton and his
> > spindoctors do
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > years)under the guise of Homeland
> > security.
> > > > He
> > > > > > > > needs as many votes in Florida as he can
> > > > get.
> > > > > > Jeb
> > > > > > > > can't help him this go'round.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >    Castro is not interested in the
> > overthrow
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > US government or conducting or for that
> > > > matter,
> > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > supporting terrorism against us. Our
> > beef
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > Castro has more to do with human rights
> > > > abuses
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > anything else. If Cuba had any natural
> > > > resources
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > exploit, or anything of value to offer
> > > > besides
> > > > > > > > cigars or perhaps, cheap labor, U.S. big
> > > > > > business
> > > > > > > > would be down there setting shop
> > > > > > > > tomorrow...socialist republic or not.
> > You
> > > > can
> > > > > > bet
> > > > > > > > your boy Bush would see to that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Todd
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:19:15 -0700
> > (PDT)
> > > > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Slim
> > > > > > > > > A country as great as our does not
> > need to
> > > > be
> > > > > > > > > supporting Dictators. Especialy Not
> > with
> > > > our
> > > > > > > > money.
> > > > > > > > > Certain situations require this
> > country to
> > > > > > > > tolerate
> > > > > > > > > certain things from some contries. But
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > whole or
> > > > > > > > > as the basic rule, we should not
> > support
> > > > them.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > cubans are ruled by a dictator and
> > until
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > changes;
> > > > > > > > > should be cut off from the free world.
> > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Steve,
> > > > > > > > > > Hello?  We're not at war with Cuba.
> > > > Bush is
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > > > > > calling Cuba a terrorist
> > > > > > > > > > state.  Baloney!  Have you ever
> > heard of
> > > > a
> > > > > > Cuban
> > > > > > > > > > terrorist?  The Bay of Pigs
> > > > > > > > > > was 42 years ago and the Cold War is
> > > > over.
> > > > > > > > Who's
> > > > > > > > > > afraid of Castro at this
> > > > > > > > > > point?  He's no threat, he has no
> > > > powerful
> > > > > > > > allies
> > > > > > > > > > and he has no money.
> > > > > > > > > > What's he gonna do?  Load up a bunch
> > of
> > > > his
> > > > > > '53
> > > > > > > > > > Chevys and invade Key West?
> > > > > > > > > > Conga drums don't make very good
> > > > cannons.
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > law is a heavy-handed,
> > > > > > > > > > jack-booted piece of fascist
> > politicking
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > strips
> > > > > > > > > > Americans of their
> > > > > > > > > > civil rights.  And he's just doing
> > it
> > > > for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > damn
> > > > > > > > > > votes of those who came
> > > > > > > > > > to this country to escape that very
> > > > thing.
> > > > > > > > > > Slim
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 4/28/04 9:23 AM, "Steve"
> > > > > > > > <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Slim
> > > > > > > > > > > Something that needs to be factor
> > in
> > > > is
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > Coast
> > > > > > > > > > > Guard should not have to be
> > running
> > > > > > Americans
> > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > after they go to Cuba.  The Coast
> > > > Guard
> > > > > > needs
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > guarding our US coasts.  This law
> > > > should
> > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > Coast Guard by getting people that
> > are
> > > > > > willing
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > break existing laws regarding Cuba
> > by
> > > > > > allowing
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > Coast Guard to go ahead & throw
> > them
> > > > in
> > > > > > jail
> > > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > having to chase them down after
> > they
> > > > break
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > law.
> > > > > > > > > > > Its one of these things that
> > citizen
> > > > have
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > endure
> > > > > > > > > > > when our country is at WAR.
> > > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> Steve,
> > > > > > > > > > >> You misunderstood.  I'm not
> > saying I
> > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > Castro.
> > > > > > > > > > >>  I'm saying Bush is a
> > > > > > > > > > >> fascist for passing this law.
> > You
> > > > don't
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >> tried or found guilty of
> > > > > > > > > > >> anything or even probable cause
> > > > > > needed--just
> > > > > > > > > > >> suspected of going to Cuba--to
> > > > > > > > > > >> lose your boat.  Whatever
> > happened to
> > > > > > > > innocent
> > > > > > > > > > until
> > > > > > > > > > >> proven guilty?  Yes, of
> > > > > > > > > > >> course he's trying to court the
> > > > > > anti-Castro
> > > > > > > > > > >> Cuban-Americans that live in
> > > > > > > > > > >> Florida, but that doesn't give
> > him
> > > > the
> > > > > > right
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> trash the Constitution!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >> If I were to be overheard just
> > > > talking
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > love
> > > > > > > > > > >> of cigars and Salsa
> > > > > > > > > > >> dancing--BAM!--the Bush Nazis
> > could
> > > > > > > > commandeer my
> > > > > > > > > > >> beloved Fandango for no
> > > > > > > > > > >> reason at all, and you seem to
> > think
> > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > > OK?
> > > > > > > > > > >> Wake up and smell the storm
> > > > > > > > > > >> troopers!!!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >> Slim
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/27/04 7:38 AM, "Steve"
> > > > > > > > > > <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Slim
> > > > > > > > > > >>> I read that article.  Why would
> > you
> > > > want
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> Cuba
> > > > > > > > > > >>> and support a
> > Dictator??????????????
> > > > > > > > Spending
> > > > > > > > > > >> money
> > > > > > > > > > >>> there has always been Illegal.
> > All
> > > > Bush
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > > > >>> putting a stop to people going
> > > > there.
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > >> not
> > > > > > > > > > >>> planning on going there,
> > spending
> > > > money
> > > > > > > > there,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> basically showing that you
> > support a
> > > > > > > > dictator
> > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > >> has
> > > > > > > > > > >>> kept his country in poverty; you
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > nothing to
> > > > > > > > > > >> worry
> > > > > > > > > > >>> about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It come
> > down to
> > > > who
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > >> support -
> > > > > > > > > > >>> America & Freedom ----- or
> > Dictators
> > > > &
> > > > > > > > > > >> suppression!
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Steve
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> The May issue of Cruising World
> > > > reports
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> law
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> passed by George W.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Pinhead whereas the govt. can
> > > > board,
> > > > > > > > inspect,
> > > > > > > > > > >> search
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> and/or commandeer ANY
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> boat at ANY time in American
> > waters
> > > > if
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > >> merely
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> suspect that boat might
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> be going to or from Cuba, which
> > is
> > > > now
> > > > > > > > defined
> > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > >> a
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> terrorist state.  It
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> doesn't sound like they need
> > any
> > > > proof
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > >> probably
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> cause.  The way I read
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> it, the govt. has been given
> > Carte
> > > > > > Blanche
> > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> above any
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> right-to-privacy issues.  If
> > anyone
> > > > has
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > doubt
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> that this administration
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> has trampled the Constitution
> > and
> > > > > > become a
> > > > > > > > > > >> Fascist
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> regime, one need look no
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> further than this!
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Slim
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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