[Rhodes22-list] Wheel Boat's accessories?

Wed Jul 28 10:09:33 EDT 2004

O.K., you guys with the wheel boats, is this what they are supposed to look
like?  SEE:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/h/e/herr1174/Binnacle_October_25_2003.jpg

Ed K

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:02 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prop Walk Questions From MJM

Sheldon is a long story I think best left to another day, franky I am still
pissed.

The Volvo-Penta I/O are cute, Does not sound like your a fan of the ring
idea, might head to a CDI prop, the plastic ones, that way
if it hits it will distroy itself first.
The problem is a low speed starbard turn in reverse. I am overpowering to
get water over the blade than thottling down to kill the
prop walk. I been playing with the srping lines but have not found a method
I like yet. I might have to mount a block on the dock so
the line is self recoverable. I did not want to leave it hanging, and it not
you but not in a talkive mood tonight, I get back to it
later.

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:30 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Prop Walk Questions From MJM

> Michael,
>
> I apologize if this subject was covered; but, I'm afraid I haven't been
> paying very close attention.  Who the heck is Sheldon Green & why are you
so
> angry with him?
>
> I don't think building a nozzle around your prop will stop the prop walk
> phenomena.  About the only way to eliminate prop walk is to use
> counterrotating props like on the Volvo-Penta I/O's.
>
> A folding prop will help with the lobster pots while sailing; but, not
under
> power.
>
> A bow thruster will give you the control you want around the dock to
counter
> the prop walk.  This option might cost lest than a skeg or nozzle at the
> stern of the boat + result in more manuevering capability.
>
> You may have to learn to live with the prop walk.  Skippers of single
screw
> boats have lived with this phenomena ever since power boats were invented.
> Remember, there are some docking situations wherein the prop walk can be
> used to advantage to squeeze into & out of a tight space.  Once you get
used
> to the prop walk & gain confidence in your understanding of the magnitude
&
> direction of its effects, you may learn to "like it".  Often times,
dealing
> with prop walk is really a matter of avoiding docking situations where it
> makes life difficult.  Learn to plan ahead skipper!
>
> By the way, how does the boat behave while backing up?  Is it hard to
> control?  How does it stop under power?
>
> As far as the lobster pots hanging up on the prop, you might be able to do
> something with stainless steel tubing.  I would think a welded
"guard/skeg"
> could be designed that would keep the lobster pots & lines away from the
> prop without causing too much drag under sail.
>
> Even if you built a skeg to protect the prop & shaft, I would think the
boat
> would still have a very hard time being beached on a tidal mud flat.  The
> mud will get into your cutlass bearing & prop shaft packing gland, causing
> all sorts of premature wear.
>
> Boy inboard diesel engine, wheel steering, standing headroom in the main
> cabin...you have really graduated into an entirely different league in
> boating haven't you?
>
> I'm glad Karin likes the boat.  You two will surely have a lot of good
times
> with it.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 9:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] well here is my lack of photo skill
>
>
> > I have to watch out, it to easily to pack rat :-) The boat pretty good
> about storage, room under all the seat, the boat pretty
> > loaded at this point with the "cluttered" feel(yet).
> > Very stiff boat, more beam, 1200 pounds 6 feet down, light weight decks
> from vacuumed bagging, and less sail area than the Rhodes.
> > added in the 300+ pound for the diesel takes allot to knock her down.
Had
> her out 10-12 knots gusting to 15, could not get more than
> > 15 digress and was doing haul speed on all points. She points high. For
> light air I going to have to use the cursing spinnaker.
> > Getting their. Karin Likes it. I still need more time to know
her(docking
> has been a laugh, or is that people laughing at me, And I
> > do not let people to close to see the sail shape :-)
> >
> > I got a question if you are in the mood.
> > 1)The prop walk is killing me.
> > 2)both the keel and rudder come up, so my prop and prop shaft are even
> with if not lower that the rest, boat might reset on it dried
> > out
> > 3)Lines from lobster pots are all over the place.
> > 4)the prop is just "hanging out" like egg beater, not skeg of than 3
foot
> shadow from the keel
> >
> > I been thinking about a ring around the prop, like a "kort nozzle", thin
> head on profile and basically round for low water
> > resistances.   The idea: it would be able hold the weight of the boat,
> overbuild for impact, kill the prop walk and act as a gaur.
> > Might even be able to use a vertical shaft slaved to the wheel rotate
for
> some low speed vector thrust.
> >
> > Any thoughts?, I have about 2-3 inch of clearance to the underside from
> the prop. Do I risks blowing out the bottom of the boat in a
> > impact? The area in play is a compound curve, any thoughts front and
> backing plates cover area(1 inch vacuumed bag hull). bonding
> > problems? to keep the vertical shaft packing above the waterline would
an
> 18 inch tube in tube work? Any ideas how to get it made?,
> > Not asking for details, I not "commented" to the idea, but some "back of
> the envelope" would be appraised. Thier seem alot of plues
> > here, the fact no one is doing it might mean I missing somethimg.
> >
> > MJM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 7:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] well here is my lack of photo skill
> >
> >
> > > Michael,
> > >
> > > Thank-you for posting my Crystal Mountain pictures.
> > >
> > > Your photos aren't bad.  How did you manage to get photos from about
10
> > > months in the future, 5/16/2005? :)  Do you really own this boat or is
> this
> > > the future?
> > >
> > > Your boat has very classic lines.  She's a real beauty!  You should
have
> a
> > > lot of fun with this one.
> > >
> > > Boy, you could seriously lose something in that cavernous quarter
> > > berth/storage space under the cockpit, couldn't you?
> > >
> > > So, how does she sail?
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:02 AM
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] well here is my lack of photo skill
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