[Rhodes22-list] Wally's dilemma on sails

[Mary Lou Troy]

Wally,
Which Harken (or is there only one for this size boat?) - how does it trailer?

Thanks.
Mary Lou

At 07:48 AM 3/15/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Mry Lou,
>
>Thanks, good information on the genny.
>
>The Harken furler came with my boat and it works as advertised. To change 
>head sail you simply uncleat halyard and the sail starts coming down. A 
>few gentle tugs and it is on the deck. You attach halyard to desired sail 
>and feed a couple of feet of luff in the the groove and hoist away. No 
>tools required.
>
>Wally
>
>
>>From: Mary Lou Troy <mltroy at verizon.net>
>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's dilemma on sails
>>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:48:23 -0500
>>
>>Wally,
>>Good job on sorting out who said what. (Bill & Ted from the TSBB would be 
>>proud).
>>
>>As far as pointing ability, the 175 does great fully deployed. As you 
>>furl it you lose pointing ability slowly until you can run the sheets 
>>inside - whereupon you gain something only to lose it if you need to furl 
>>more but then you have a 125. I would think going from a 125 to a 155, 
>>you would find a big improvement at the windspeeds you are talking about. 
>>With a 175, you would probably improve significantly until 10 knots and 
>>then maybe see some decrease in pointing ability if you furled a bit for 
>>12 knots. At 12 knots we've usually furled enough to affect pointing 
>>ability but we are not very quick to deal with gusts so we probably furl 
>>more than sailors who play the puffs more. We find that with the sail 
>>furled just a little bit we are able to point as well as most boats 
>>(excluding the Js and a few other performance boats -but we don't point 
>>as well as they do anyway). Not sure how far we have to furl it to use 
>>the side-deck tack which would improve pointing ability. At the point we 
>>that can, we will take it to the cabin top leads but by then you would 
>>have since switched to your 125.
>>
>>Does the Harken furler really make sail changes as easily as changes with 
>>hank on sails?
>>
>>Mary Lou
>>
>>
>>At 10:53 AM 3/14/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Ed,
>>>
>>>Thanks for taking a shot at posting the real basic question but you got 
>>>it totally wrong. :-)
>>>
>>>The question is/was; what sail provides the best blend of speed and 
>>>pointing ability in 8 - 12 knots?  It is a multiple-choice question and 
>>>the captain is not one of the answers offered. I am not trying to figure 
>>>out who is the better sailor. I do agree that the skipper's skill is an 
>>>important component but bringing that into this equation is bad math. I 
>>>am seeking feedback on sails not sailors. I didn't ask could a beginner 
>>>with a 175 beat a pro with a 155 or anything like that.
>>>
>>>Bill and Rummy said they loved their 175s, I believe them. I asked them 
>>>when they furled. The thread then moved on to the point that Rummy and 
>>>Bill claimed they don't furl sails in a 20 knot wind let alone in 12 
>>>knot. Bill clarified that he did furl his main. Roger added his insight 
>>>and I thought it made sense based on what I have experienced in my boat.
>>>
>>>I have agreed that a 175 sail is faster in certain wind speeds. I don't 
>>>agree that it is best in 20 knots. I am not seeking a sail for 20 knots 
>>>though. My 125 has that covered. I don't need a better headsail running 
>>>with the wind my spinnaker has that covered.
>>>
>>>One point (pun intended) that is not being mentioned in this 
>>>conversation is pointing ability. My main concern about the 175 is that 
>>>I will sail along quite smartly from riverbank to riverbank and not make 
>>>any headway. I don't find that relaxing or fun. Neither Bill not Rummy 
>>>provided any feed back about pointing. Bill said he could make it around 
>>>a triangular course. I wish we raced in a triangle but we only have two 
>>>marks. We race dead into the wind than back down wind. So is a 175 a 
>>>good sail for this when it is blowing 8-12? I am thinking once this big 
>>>things gets furled down sail shape will suffer.
>>>
>>>One thing I have noticed is that every one that races even a little bit 
>>>liked the 155, those that don't race seem to like the 170. I said all 
>>>along that I have an open mind but the logic seems to steer me towards a 
>>>155 as the better sail for the conditions I asked about. I appreciate 
>>>posts from all.
>>>
>>>I hope this clarifies.
>>>
>>>Wally
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "kroposki" <kroposki at innova.net>
>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's dilemma on sails
>>>>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:32:16 -0500
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Wally,
>>>>
>>>>      I just got back to my computer and have not read all the post about
>>>>which sail you are leaning to.  Saturday I had a unique experience with
>>>>a new Rhodie and I will let him tell the story when he gets back.
>>>>
>>>>      The real basic question is whether you sail to relax or do you want
>>>>to race (compete).  If you want to relax and enjoy, the 175 Genny can be
>>>>reasonably adjusted for most sailable wind conditions.  But if you want
>>>>maximum control then you need different sails.  Not just a choice of 110
>>>>or 150.
>>>>
>>>>      I believe that Saturday, Keith Burhardt(sp?) demonstrated that with
>>>>attention to detail, you could adjust the 175 to achieve near maximum
>>>>potential at any point of sail.  Just ask him, he will be back on the
>>>>list probably later in the week.
>>>>
>>>>      Some of the questions and issues presented in the discussion of
>>>>your question are (1) skill of the captain (number 1!), and (2) plain
>>>>old individual differences.  Some people like tea without sugar, some
>>>>with, some with lemon, some with cream.
>>>>
>>>>      From what I have seen is that someone skillful with adjusting the
>>>>175 would push someone with different sails.  The 175 might not win, but
>>>>then again, it might.  It is the same issues as a standard main against
>>>>the IMF.  The real issue is how skillful is the user of each.  I think
>>>>that with his sail configuration that Rummy would push Roger to working
>>>>to win.  But then again, Roger might not win.  They are both very
>>>>skillful with the paint brushes that they have.
>>>>
>>>>                         Ed K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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