[Rhodes22-list] pictures - salvage

ed kroposki ekroposki at charter.net
Fri Nov 5 07:30:39 EST 2004 

Not too long ago there was a discussion of tow or salvage.  These pictures
ask us that question again.  Here is an article that helps educate us on the
terms.
http://www.sailnet.com/collections/articles/index.cfm?articleid=barron003

Ed K


-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 12:42 AM
To: Richard Smith; The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] pictures

I thing everyone being to hard on the guy, sounds like he was at anchors 
in shallow to begin with), ran over the rode pulling it up(that was a 
mistake) and ended up on a lee shore trying to figure out what to do(and 
in I can not anchor or run the motor and jumping in with a boat pounding 
above my head is not great). tried to use the jib but was to late(IMF is 
for safety now :-). the funny thing is the wind seem to be blowing away 
from shore by the sail set, how did he end up their?

MJM

Richard Smith wrote:

><There was a 72
>  
>
>>hour storm that pounded the coast with 7 - 10 foot waves washing out
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>several
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>>coastal roads.>
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>The breaker looks to be around 6 feet.  The offshore swells are short of 2
>feet.  The fact that they are regular and so evident under the otherwise
>calm conditions led me to conclude that they were the product of an
>off-shore storm.
>
> < The guy really should not have been near the Outer Banks
>  
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>>under conditions like this.>
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>
>These conditions are not a bit unusual for ocean sailing and can actually
be
>enjoyable.  I have been in 8/10 foot swells in a 19 foot boat in Block
>Island Sound with no feeling of anxiety at all.
>
>< It looks like the guy made many mistakes. >
>
>I think he ran the boat to close to shore.  Entirely unnecessary.  When
>making a costal passage it's best to be at least a 1/4 to 1/2 mile off
>shore.  At even that short distance the  wind blows at a more constant
>velocity and the danger of encountering a shoal in small boat is minimal.
I
>know several blue water sailors who when making a costal passage who prefer
>to drop the shore below their horizon for exactly the same reason.
>
>In a new boat with minimal danger of a breakdown it's folly to get so close
>to the shore.   To many that advice seems counter-intuitive but I am sure
>any relatively experienced sailor will agree with this. If you don't trust
>your equipment you should not be there at all!
>
>  
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>>Hopefully the damage is not to bad.>
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>
>Fiberglass boats are tough and the beach is sandy and pretty flat, I doubt
>if it amounted to much more then cosmetic.  Looking at the photos again I
>think he may have dumped unto the hard following the broach and got swept
up
>by the next couple of breakers.  The parts at risk were the rudder and the
>possibility of the engine remained running without oil in the sump and/or
no
>cooling.
>
>Richard Smith
>  
>
>>I also checked the local Nags Head newspaper and could not get any more
>>info.
>>
>>Wally
>>
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>>>From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] pictures
>>>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:48:48 -0500
>>>
>>>Bob,
>>>
>>>Based upon the shape of the cabin dog house, 5 small opening ports in the
>>>doghouse, wheel steering, shape of the stern pulpit, bow anchor platform,
>>>masthead rig, reverse transom W/O built-in swim platform, full keel, &
>>>shape
>>>of the transom; I would guess the boat is an Island Packet 350 or 380.
>>>
>>>The 1st picture looks like he was trying to come about & almost made it
>>>before the wave caused him to broach.  He never sheeted the genoa in on
>>>port
>>>tack.  After the 1st picture, he's toast!
>>>
>>>Why would someone be trying to claw off a lee shore with the only the
>>>genoa?
>>>
>>>Roger Pihlaja
>>>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Bob Dilk" <Bob.Dilk at TRW.COM>
>>>To: <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>; <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:29 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] pictures
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>the boat seems to have taken it well.
>>>>anybody know the boat manufacture?
>>>>
>>>>Bob
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>>>tnrhodey at hotmail.com 11/04/04 11:18AM >>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>Rummy,
>>>>
>>>>I have seen these pics on two others sites. Supposedly anchor line
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>>>>
>>>fouled
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>>>
>>>>prop and rudder. Sure seems like he should have hoisted the main well
>>>>        
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>>>before
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>>>>he got in the shore break.
>>>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] pictures
>>>>>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:33:36 EST
>>>>>
>>>>>In a message dated 11/4/2004 9:25:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>SVTRITON at aol.com writes:
>>>>>http://www.surfkdh.com/sailboat.htm
>>>>>I'd be willing to bet he eaither ran out of fuelo, or his four stroke
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>motor
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>died on him. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Rummy
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