[Rhodes22-list] Style vs. Substance (Correction)

[brad haslett]

To All, 

Intellignece should read Intelligence.

FIVE OUT OF FOUR PILOTS ARE DYSLEXIC.

Brad

--- brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bill,
> 
> My position on eliminating Saddam Hussein hasn't
> changed since 1991. He needed to go.  Bush 41 did no
> planning beyond expelling him from Kuwait and had no
> concensus from the coalition beyond that, much to
> the
> dissapointment of Swartzkopf.  Clinton clearly
> stated
> Saddam needed to go and Kerry enthusastically
> seconded
> that view.
> 
> Bush 43 sought authority  to expell him and Kerry
> voted in favor of it. As a member of the Senate
> Intellignece Committee, Kerry had access to the same
> data and was privy to its collection methods. He
> didn't make a case against the war and took his
> current position only when it became politicaly
> expedient to do so. The need to take military action
> was "sold" on WMD and with the benefit of hindsight,
> was "oversold" on WMD.  If Bush 43 had the political
> skills of Clinton he could have made just as
> persuasive a case on other reasons. 
> 
> Saddam needed to go.  He needed to go in 1991. He
> needed to go in 2003.  He doesn't need to be brought
> back to power in 2004 just in the interest of
> stability in Iraq.  That was, is, and will always be
> my position.
> 
> Now concerning your PS, this is becoming a one issue
> election for me;  Who best recognizes the long term
> threats the US faces and is best prepared to do
> something about it?  For me the answer is simple, W.
> 
> I could just as easily home in on another single
> issue, labor for example, and follow the advice of
> the
> Air Line Pilots Association, of which I am a proud
> member, and vote Kerry.  As a fiscal conservative, I
> have big time problems with Bush 43 - he's way to
> eager to spend money on social programs for my
> tastes.
>  But like Ed Koch, I believe if we don't succeed
> against our current enemy, domestic programs,
> anyone's
> domestic programs, don't matter.
> 
> Drinking?  I vote Yeah!
> 
> Brad Haslett
> "CoraShen"
> 
> 
> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> 
> > Brad,
> > 
> > As I remember it, both Stan and I argued against
> the
> > war in the Fall of 2002.  I thought we had plenty
> of
> > passion, although one can always criticize style. 
> > I'm pretty sure a number of other people also
> argued
> > against it at that time.  What was your position?
> > 
> > Are you saying the current mess is our fault
> because
> > we didn't fight the current policy hard enough? 
> > 
> > Confused in Greenwich, 
> > Bill Effros
> > 
> > PS -- The Republicans have spent $100 million
> > telling us how ineffective Kerry has been in the
> > Senate for the past 20 years.  Now, suddenly, he
> is
> > able to take on the "master of low expectations"
> > owing to the skills he has honed in the "debate
> > society"?
> > 
> > I think this election is going to be won on
> > substance, not style, and I think that is very
> good
> > for this country no matter who wins.  At the end
> of
> > the day I think we will all believe that the
> > policies of our leaders reflect the policy choices
> > of the electorate. 
> > 
> > I must confess some more confusion about the
> > position you seem to be taking which is that you
> are
> > going to vote for Bush even though you don't think
> > his policy reflects your position.  Are you trying
> > to win some drinking bet at the expense of what
> you
> > know to be the best interests of your country?
> > 
> > B.
> >                                
> >       
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: brad haslett 
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 12:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics -
> chiaroscuro
> > 
> > 
> > Dear G,
> > 
> > Please give me a link to your Fouad Ajami
> reference
> > if
> > you have it.  I have read his article in the
> Jan/Feb
> > 2003 Foreign Affairs magazine and a few others but
> > nothing recent.  
> > 
> > We agree on this, the ultimate fate of Iraq
> belongs
> > to
> > the Iraq's.  Regardless of how one feels about the
> > justifications for the current occupation of Iraq,
> > we
> > are there and to pull out now or announce a date
> > specific pull out would only encourage the
> > insurgents
> > to wait us out, just as in Vietnam.  There is no
> > shortage of current literature critical of the
> > occupation including a lengthy article by James
> > Fallows in this months Atlantic Monthly.  In fact,
> > if
> > you read the transcript of Kerry's Iraq positions
> > during the debate, you will notice Kerry neatly
> > mirrows Fallows, which more than one blogger in
> > cyberspace has noticed as well.
> > 
> > So, our choice is between one leader who doggedly
> > remains on course,  versus another who follows the
> > latest read of yesterdays "game tape"  I
> personally
> > would feel more confident of a critic if he had
> made
> > an impassioned plea against the war in advance.  
> > 
> > Kerry won the debate on style, expected when you
> > consider his 20 years of practice in the debate
> > society we call the Senate.  For those opposed to
> > our
> > current engagement it is indeed unfortunate that
> > this
> > style and passion was missing in the Fall of 2002.
> > 
> > We ARE all wearing the blue dress now, though I
> > prefer
> > that it be a red one on November 2.
> > 
> > Brad Haslett
> > "CoraShen"
> > --- Grayson/Ena Lynn <agl2001 at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > Phyllis wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I respect a person who can think through,
> > analyze
> > > a situation, and when
> > > > presented with corrective information, i.e.
> the
> > > intelligence was wrong...
> > > then
> > > > formulates a new position and advocate it.
> > > 
> > > > That is leadership to me, not someone who is
> so
> > > dogmatic, one-sighted and
> > > > unwilling to do anything differently than
> follow
> > > the misguided pals around
> > > > him...
> > > 
> > > Spot on!
> 
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