[Rhodes22-list]Politics: Muhammed, Prophet of Doom

[brad haslett]

Bill,

Actually, the best chance we had at the "one guy" was
in 1998.  Clinton was on the golf course and his
"football carrier" finally got him away from Vernon
Jordan and explained they had good co-ordinates on
Osama.  Clinton spent the next several hours on the
phone consulting and by the time he made a decision
the bad guy was gone (I'm quoting from memory since my
copy of "Deriliction of Duty" developed feet).

Osama can only communicate by personal messenger, as
soon as he turns on a radio, phone, etc. he's toast. 
We'll find him but I think you underestimate the
difficulty of the terrain and culture.  Even the
Pakistanis don't venture in that part of the world and
it's part of their country.

Now as to the Communists, let the FBI visit anytime. 
My wife came home from the first grade with her Little
Red Book as a primary reader and spent the next 12
years in the Cultural Revolution.  She was an
eyewittness to Tiannamen.  You won't find any commie
lovers here.

You guys solve the world problems yourself today. 
I've got the Blue Screen of Death on my laptop and
right now it is a $1500 paperweight.

Brad


--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> "We did pretty well except for
> not getting THE one guy. "
> 
> THE one guy?  We didn't get Mullah Omar either--the
> leader of the Talliban--in fact, we don't even know
> what he looks like.  He's only got 1 eye.  Osama is
> very tall.  For a while we were killing whole
> bunches of Afghan guys who were very tall--missile
> strikes on tall guys.  (Not kidding here.)
> 
> Didn't get any of the rest of the Talliban
> leadership either.
> 
> Let's remember we invaded Afghanistan because Mullah
> Omar wouldn't hand over Osama.  We said that meant
> he was harboring terrorists.  He said he didn't know
> where Osama was, and didn't have the strength to
> capture him in any event.  We invaded and everybody
> got away.  
> 
> So why don't we tell Karzai to hand over Osama or
> we'll invade again?  Both Mullah Omar and Osama are
> still doing business in the same place--and their
> businesses are prospering. 
> 
> Bill Effros
>                                      
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: brad haslett 
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 5:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list]Politics: Muhammed,
> Prophet of Doom
> 
> 
> Wally,
> 
> The implication of your logic is that had we thrown
> more men and equipment into Afghanistan we would
> have
> been more successful.  We did pretty well except for
> not getting THE one guy.  The Soviets spent ten
> years
> there with massive amounts of troops and hardware
> and
> couldn't prevail.  What we accomplished there in a
> short time period  is nothing less than awesome
> compared to the Soviets.  Could we have used more
> intel? Yes. But intel in that region comes from the
> local warlords, not our own people save for
> satellites
> and drones.  Suggesting that we somehow dropped the
> ball on Bin Laden makes for good political rhetoric
> but from a military perspective, it's simply not
> feasable to surround every mountain along the
> Afgahnistan/Pakistan border.
> 
> We could have really used the 4th ID in Northern
> Iraq.
>  The Turks didn't co-operate and the logistics
> didn't
> allow them in Kuwait because the docks were already
> backed up. Military historians will debate the
> impact
> of that for a hundred years.  It hurt.
> 
> Justification of the war will have to wait until
> tomorrow.  I've been "dozing for dollars" this
> afternoon, otherwise known as airport standby, and
> just got alerted for a departure to Orlando.  See
> you
> tomorrwow.
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Brad,
> > 
> > What is bull shit???? You don't think attacking
> Iraq
> > reduced our focus and 
> > capabilities in Afghanistan? Come on Brad get
> real!
> > As well read as you are 
> > I would thing you would realize that fighting 2
> wars
> > (multiple fronts) 
> > creates problems. If the take over of Iraq was as
> > quick and easy as Bush 
> > expected you might be right. However we under
> > estimated the difficulty in 
> > completing our mission. We screwed this up big
> time!
> > 
> > Sanctions were working. Yes it is true that the
> oil
> > for food program was a 
> > disaster. As you pointed out Iraq discontinued
> their
> > WMD programs because of 
> > the sanctions. Now what they may or may not have
> > down when the sanctions 
> > ended is just speculation.
> > 
> > I will tell you what is bull shit; attacking Iraq
> > because of WMD and 911. 
> > You can choose to ignore the facts and buy into
> the
> > line of BS handed down 
> > from Bush and Cheney. And you expect me to believe
> > that even though we were 
> > sold a bill of goods from Bush the war is
> justified?
> > You have got to be 
> > kidding!!!!
> > 
> > Wally
> > 
> > 
> > >From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list]Politics:  Muhammed,
> > Prophet of Doom
> > >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Wally,
> > >
> > >We agree on this, there is plenty to be nervious
> > >about.  I disagree with you about sanctions
> > working.
> > >They were working for the French, Germans,
> > Russians,
> > >and Chinese, but especially the French.  The
> > >oil-for-food program was working quite well for
> > >Saddam, he continued to build palaces and buy
> arms.
> > It
> > >didn't stop him from continuing to support
> > terrorists
> > >by paying money to families of Palistiniens who
> > killed
> > >Jews.  The Duelfer report clearly shows Saddam
> > hadn't
> > >given up on WMD, he was just waiting for
> sanctions
> > to
> > >end.  Saddam's nuclear bomb builder said in the 
> NY
> > >Times they could re-start the nuclear program in
> > "the
> > >snap of a finger".  WMD is a political problem
> for
> > >Bush because that's how he sold the war, it
> doesn't
> > >mean the war wasn't justified.
> > >
> > >This business that everyone talks about of not
> > >concentrating on Bin Laden is Bullshit!  Let me
> put
> > >that in more family friendly terms, unadulterated
> > pure
> > >Bullshit!  Bin Laden most likely was at Bora
> Bora.
> > >The Afghans kicked the Soviets ass there.  They
> had
> > >the terrain, the tunnels, the escape routes, and
> > the
> > >experience. We threw thousands of air sorties
> > against
> > >them.  More boots on the ground would have meant
> > more
> > >dead American soldiers, not a more effective
> force.
> > >Some of the local militia leaders turned out to
> be
> > not
> > >trustworthy.  But, to think that we could have
> > thrown
> > >more 20 year-olds at the situation and made a
> > >difference is military foolishness.  It ignores
> > >history, terrain, and reality.  We'll get Bin
> Laden
> > >but that won't be the end of the problem.  This
> > fight
> > >will last for years.
> > >
> 
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