[Rhodes22-list] Outboard Repair

Fri Oct 15 15:15:59 EDT 2004

Bill,

"You continually allow yourself to become so invested
in your intellectual position that you refuse to
listen to the experience of others. Notwithstanding
your troubled childhood, or whatever it was, you are a
respected member of every community you join, and your
opinions are truly valued by all.  It is OK for you to
listen to others, and change your mind."

 _________________________________________________

Sir, you don't survive 30+ years of flying without
respecting the experience of others.

Troubled childhood?  I'm 48 years old.  My father
would probably kick your ass for saying what you said
but he's too old and and so am I.  Frankly dear, I
don't give a shit for your opinion on that subject.

A respected member of every community you join?  Yes,
thank-you.  Why would I join otherwise?

Valued by all?  No!  

Bill, I enjoy the give-and-take we've engaged in on
this list.  Settle down Boy.  I don't mean that in a
Southern way.  Relax.  I'm right, you're wrong, or,
visa versa.

We are talking about outboard motors.  Its not life
and death.  I got a pocketfull of federally issued
tickets that say I at least knew something about it at
some point in time. Suck/Squeeze/Bang/Blow, that is.

You give me the word and I'm off the list, you got the
party all to yourself.  Your call!

Brad Haslett
"CoraShen"

--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Brad,
> 
> You continually allow yourself to become so invested
> in your intellectual position that you refuse to
> listen to the experience of others.  Notwithstanding
> your troubled childhood, or whatever it was, you are
> a respected member of every community you join, and
> your opinions are truly valued by all.  It is OK for
> you to listen to others, and change your mind.
> 
> Just because an airline mechanic does something,
> that doesn't make it right.  Just because an
> engineer says something, that doesn't make it right.
> 
> You remember when cargo doors used to pop off
> DC-10s.  The airline mechanics and engineers screwed
> up big time.  You have confidence that they have
> changed certain professional opinions and rectified
> their errors, knowing they were wrong regarding
> their initial specifications.
> 
> I can understand why aircraft pilots would like
> their mechanics to throw a pinch of salt over their
> shoulders "just to be on the safe side".   I might
> be a little more superstitious, too.  But let's call
> it what it is.
> 
> With a little outboard on the back of a sailboat you
> don't need as much luck.
> 
> Yes, yes, I know about gasoline shelf life, and
> varnishing, and gum.  But what I am trying to tell
> you is that if you put that same oil and gas that
> 4-stroke engine owners say is "bad" into my 2-stroke
> engine, or Rummy's, or Ed's--our little motors are
> going to start up on the first pull and run just
> fine.
> 
> All of these products people are inserting into
> their cylinders are some version of "oil".  Let's
> not kid ourselves on this point.  I'm telling you I
> have never used any of them, and I have never had a
> problem with gasoline shelf life, varnish, gum, or
> engines seizing.  If I lived in Alaska I would treat
> my engine differently.  If I lived in Iraq I would
> worry more about sand.  But where most of us live,
> these measures, IMHO, are silly and
> counterproductive.
> 
> Bill
> 
> (Got to do some work now.)
> 
>                                      
> 
> Printed copies of my book "Quote Without Comment"
> are now available from Amazon and all Bookstores.
> 
> Ask for "Quote Without Comment" by Bill Effros--ISBN
> 1-5901-9587-6 
> 
> If they are out of stock add the book to your "Wish
> List" and they will tell you when it is back in
> stock--usually within 2 days.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: brad haslett 
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Repair
> 
> 
> Bill, 
> 
> I wasn't speaking of mothballing in the desert.  We
> did this to A/C in the Midwest for planes that were
> not going to fly over the winter.  Any gasoline
> mixture will develop "varnishs" if left in place too
> long. Also, moisture forms in the tanks which is
> precisely why aircraft are regularly sumped.  When I
> flew corporate jets I ran my diesel Rabbit on the
> Jet-A we sumped. The 2-cycle mixture forms "gums"
> more
> rapidly than regular gasoline.  The technique I
> refered to is good for both types.
> 
> All internal combustion engines, including jets, run
> on the same principle - Suck/Squeeze/Bang/Blow. 
> Getting any piston engine ready for an idle period
> seeks the same goals, keep moisture out of the
> cylinders, provide lubrication on start-up, don't
> let
> fuel in the tanks and lines "go bad".  Gasoline does
> have a shelf life!
> 
> Your description of 4-cycle engine start-up is not
> exactly correct.  Oil is splashed on the cylinder
> walls AFTER start-up just as on a 2-stroke oil is
> provided via the fuel AFTER start-up.  What you want
> is a nice slick lubricated cylinder wall so the
> rings
> don't stick or gouge until the engine's
> self-lubrication begins.
> 
> You'll have better luck getting me to change my vote
> than to back off on this.  It ain't rocket surgery!
> 
> Brad Haslett
> "CoraShen"
> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> 
> > Brad,
> > 
> > There you go again.
> > 
> > You read too much and evaluate too little.
> > 
> > I know what's been written, and I know the 40
> stands
> > for the 40th formulation of the product.
> > 
> > There is no correlation between moth-balling
> > aircraft engines left in the desert for years and
> > putting a 2 stroke motor in your garage over the
> > winter.
> > 
> > I don't think you would recommend spraying
> cosmoline
> > all over your boat for the winter, but maybe I'm
> > wrong.
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > (PS -- We can make this fun, too.)
> >                                      
> > 
> > Printed copies of my book "Quote Without Comment"
> > are now available from Amazon and all Bookstores.
> > 
> > Ask for "Quote Without Comment" by Bill
> Effros--ISBN
> > 1-5901-9587-6 
> > 
> > If they are out of stock add the book to your
> "Wish
> > List" and they will tell you when it is back in
> > stock--usually within 2 days.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: brad haslett 
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 9:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Repair
> > 
> > 
> > Bill,
> > 
> > It is a lot more fun when we disagree on other
> > matters.  The most important thing to do with a
> > 2-stroke is to run the engine, either shut off the
> > fuel supply, or run it until the tank is empty
> > (either
> > way, empty the tank for the winter).  Any fuel
> left
> > in
> > the tank, fuel lines, or cylinder walls will "gum"
> > over the winter.  You chemists on the list can
> > analyze
> > the gum.  The best solution for the cylinder walls
> > is
> > a good misting of WD-40.  The WD stands for water
> > displacement and it provides lubrication for
> > start-up,
> > keeps moisture from forming on the cylinder walls,
> > and
> > will burn on start-up. It is not a bad idea to
> > re-mist
> > before start-up in the spring.  This prevents
> stuck
> > rings and softens any rust or "gums" that formed
> > over
> > the winter.
> > 
> > This is the technique we used on piston aircraft
> > engines when they were "moth-balled".  If you
> stain
> > your clothes while performing this task, WD-40 is
> > also
> > a good stain remover.  Never tried inhaling the
> > stuff,
> > might be good for that too!
> > 
> > Brad Haslett
> > "CoraShen"
> > --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > If it's a 2-stroke you just don't need to put
> oil
> > in
> > > the cylinders.  The oil is in the gas.  The last
> > > time you use the engine put in extra oil if you
> > > like, but not required.  The first time you use
> it
> 
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