[Rhodes22-list] Question for Roger on Florida Relief
Wally Buck
tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Wed Oct 27 11:02:22 EDT 2004
Ed,
I don't think Bill was suggesting Roger acted out of greed -
Wally
>From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
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>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Question for Roger on Florida Relief
>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:03:50 -0400
>
>Roger:
>
>Bill said, "The problem is not a lack of awareness. The problem is that
>everyone wants to get more than they give"
>
>How much were you paid for your trip to Florida?
>
>I know the answer, but I think you should tell Bill.
>
>Ed K
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:36 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Relief
>
>Roger,
>
>I know you didn't say anything about the Guard or disaster relief. I agree
>with you that the scale of the disaster has overwhelmed private resources.
>
>The national debate IS going on about where the resources should come from.
>The current administration says it should not come from the government.
>That each of us should fix our own mobile home, and hope for charities to
>make up the shortfall. The current administration also downsized the
>national guard, and tried to fight a war on the cheap. That hasn't worked
>either.
>
>Please note, like virtually everyone on this list and in this country I
>have
>been on both sides of all of these issues. The issues are not simple, and
>the simple answers never work out in practice.
>
>The problem is not a lack of awareness. The problem is that everyone wants
>to get more than they give--and that just won't work. So we fight using
>code words until someone like you comes along who says, in this case, he
>wants to give more than he gets.
>
>Fine. I applaud that, and so do most people. But how do we convert that
>impulse into a national policy? Do you even think we should try to convert
>that impulse into a national policy?
>
>Bill Effros
>
>
>Printed copies of my book "Quote Without Comment" are now available from
>Amazon and all Bookstores.
>
>Ask for "Quote Without Comment" by Bill Effros--ISBN 1-5901-9587-6
>
>If they are out of stock they can get more copies within 3 days.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Roger Pihlaja
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Relief
>
>
>Bill,
>
>I didn't say anything about deploying the National Guard to help with the
>situation in Florida, where the disaster relief resources are going to come
>from, or whether or not this is an issue the federal government should or
>should not be involved in. I merely made the observation that we have a
>humanitarian crisis of rather large scale in Florida that is going
>unreported by the mainstream press. It's been my experience that resources
>seem to suddenly become available whenever the press exposes situations
>like
>what is happening in Florida.
>
>My own sense from last week's experience is that the shear scale of the
>disaster has overwhelmed the resources available to America's churches.
>
>At the very least, I think there should be a national debate or at least an
>awareness at the national level of just how bad things still are down there
>in Florida.
>
>Roger Pihlaja
>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:27 AM
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Relief
>
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > We no longer have enough either money or people to deal with things like
>this when they come up. The National Guard used to do what you did last
>week. There was money put aside for natural disaster relief.
> >
> > You are going to have to decide what you think is important. Is this a
>job for government, or not?
> >
> > When push comes to shove you can't find enough money or people to do the
>job privately.
> >
> > I don't have a scripted answer for this. I don't think you do, either.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > Printed copies of my book "Quote Without Comment" are now available from
>Amazon and all Bookstores.
> >
> > Ask for "Quote Without Comment" by Bill Effros--ISBN 1-5901-9587-6
> >
> > If they are out of stock they can get more copies within 3 days.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Roger Pihlaja
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leak on port side bow area of the 1983
>Rhodes
>22
> >
> >
> > Lou,
> >
> > Again, assuming your 1981 hull is built like my 1976 hull, the bow
>towing
> > eye is behind a piece of decorative teak plywood in the extreme front of
>the
> > V-berth area. On my boat, there are a couple of flat head SS wood
>screws
> > fastening the plywood to the cabin liner. Unscrew those two wood
>screws,
> > lift off the plywood, and you will be looking at the nuts & backing
>plate
>of
> > the bow towing eye. You will need a deep socket wrench to loosen these
> > nuts.
> >
> > Yes, the 1995 AWD Astro minivan in the picture is our primary tow
>vehicle.
> > Our Astro is rated to tow 4500 lbs, the middle of the 3 factory offered
> > towing packages. It came with a transmission cooler. It's a great tow
> > vehicle, perfectly adequate for towing the Rhodes 22. I also tow my Boy
> > Scout troop trailer with the Astro, about 4000 lbs, tandem axle, fully
> > enclosed.
> >
> > Thanks for the kind words regarding the mission trip to Florida. There
>are
> > thousands of elderly folks and migrant worker families made homeless and
>now
> > living out of their cars &/or in makeshift shelters built from scrounged
> > debris in the areas hit by these hurricanes! We're looking at a
> > humanitarian crisis of huge proportions right here in the United States
>and
> > the press is completely ignoring it! At times, it was hard to believe
>we
> > were still in the United States.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lou Rosenberg" <lsr3 at MAIL.nyu.edu>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leak on port side bow area of the 1983
>Rhodes
> > 22
> >
> >
> > > Roger,
> > > Much thanks for your description of the construction of the hull
> > > and rub rail. I have to re bed my trailer U bolt and have had to
> > > remove some of the screws holding the cabin liner. Any words of
> > > advice on how to get to that U bolt ?
> > >
> > > On the blewskies site the photo of your gold Astro with your son
> > > next to it.. I have the identical vehicle do you tow the boat with
> > > the Astro? How does it do uphill??
> > > Although I have the tow haul pkg I plan to add the tranny cooler
> > > when I get my hitch early in 05. Rick C helped me get my trailer
> > > from LI to Bklyn in August so I avoided a trailer expense this season.
> > >
> > >
> > > Some one who thought they could attach some sort of bumper to the
> > > front of my R22 ( 81 hull) left 4 ugly holes on the topside of the
> > > deck just above the rubrail. I used polyester resin on the the holes
> > > and then gelcoated them now in the process of fairing and finishing.
> > > I need to change my rub rail next year but I dont think its leaking..
> > > My poptop leak was from the hatch fasteners which are now being
> > > rebedded. Just gelcoated and reinforced my hatch.
> > > Someone had stepped on the leading edge and cracked it. my boat was
> > > badly abused and neglected.
> > > thanks again for that great description of the way to fix the rub
>rail!!
> > > Lou
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Steve,
> > > >
> > > >Assuming your 1983 hull is constructed like my 1976 hull, the
>hull/deck
> > > >flange design resembles something like the lid of a shoebox. The
>deck
> > has a
> > > >downward flange that overlaps the upper edge of the hull. The space
>in
> > > >between the two components was filled with some sort of sealant &
>then
> > the
> > > >two were mechanically joined with pop rivets on about 18 inch
>centers.
> > > >Finally, the rub rail was installed on the outside of the hull to
>hide
> > the
> > > >seam. On the inside, the cabin liner also has a downward flange all
> > around
> > > >the perimeter. This cabin liner flange is nonstructural & there
>should
> > be a
> > > >decorative black vinyl molding thru bolted to the flange in order to
> > cover
> > > >the hull/deck joint. In order to inspect the hull/deck flange, this
> > > >decorative molding will have to be removed. When you remove any
>pieces
> > of
> > > >this molding, be certain to mark the location it came from as well as
> > which
> > > >end was facing towards the bow because these pieces/parts are not
> > > >interchangeable.
> > > >
> > > >The shoebox type of hull/deck flange is a pretty good design & really
> > > >shouldn't cause a problem; but, I suppose it's possible the hull/deck
> > flange
> > > >has developed a leak. However, before removing the rub rail, I would
> > remove
> > > >the decorative molding up in the V-berth area. If the hull/deck
>joint
>is
> > > >leaking; then, the most likely source is one of the pop rivets. With
>the
> > > >decorative molding removed, you will be able to pinpoint the leak.
> > Assuming
> > > >the leak really is a pop rivet, you will have to remove the section
>of
> > rub
> > > >rail and drill out the pop rivet. Then, I would cover the inside and
> > > >outside of the pop rivet hole with a HD tape like duck tape. Take a
> > > >hypoderdermic syringe and inject as much unthickened epoxy as you can
> > into
> > > >the pop rivet hole. Let the epoxy cure, drill out the hole, put in a
>new
> > > >pop rivet (or machine screw & nut), and reassemble the whole thing.
> > > >
> > > >However, it's also quite likely that once you remove the decorative
> > molding,
> > > >you will see the hull/deck joint is not the source of the leak. To
> > locate
> > > >the leak, seal yourself up inside the cabin. Have an assistant spray
> > water
> > > >on various thru bolted fittings on the foredeck and cabin top one at
>a
> > time
> > > >for several minutes each while you inspect for leakage inside the
>cabin.
> > > >It's quite likely the source of the leak is something like a deck
>cleat,
> > > >cabin port, or rail stanchion. It's also possible you have a crack
>in
> > the
> > > >foredeck in the nonskid or the toe rail and the water is running
>along
> > the
> > > >inside of the cabin liner for some distance before dripping out where
>you
> > > >observe it.
> > > >
> > > >Tiny leaks like you have can be drive you nuts trying to track them
>down!
> > > >Good luck.
> > > >
> > > >Roger Pihlaja
> > > >S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "steve" <stevej78 at comcast.net>
> > > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:27 PM
> > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leak on port side bow area of the 1983
>Rhodes
>22
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Roger,
> > > >
> > > >Good evening,
> > > >
> > > >I 'm a Rhodes 22 owner with a 1983 Rhodes. I live in Bellevue, WA.,
>in
> > the
> > > >Seattle area.
> > > >
> > > >There is a leak on the port side inside the v berth of the boat.
> > > >
> > > >It's a small leak in the in the berth that weeps from the on the port
> > side
> > > >seams where the upper deck and hull meet..
> > > >
> > > >This leak seeps down along the port seam to the wooden support rail
>which
> > is
> > > >fiber glassed in the bow. The water continues along the rail to the
>end
> > of
> > > >the rail where now the exposed wood shows dampness.
> > > >
> > > >Would the rub rail and the black holding device for the rub rail be
> > removed
> > > >off around the nose of the boat and using a sealant calk the joint to
> > solve
> > > >the leak?
> > > >
> > > >Please advise in stopping this leak.
> > > >
> > > >Thank you for your patience in reading this long email.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Steve Jacobs
> > > >
> > > >Bellevue, WA
> > > >
> > > >Stevej78 at comcast.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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