[Rhodes22-list] Swing States

Sat Oct 30 08:23:09 EDT 2004

Herb and Slim,

Perhaps its not fair for me to knock our public
education system since I chose not to participate with
my own children.  However, I do pay taxes to support
one, so here goes.

Why is the federal government involved in the local
school districs to begin with?  Shouldn't this be a
state and local issue?  The further control of a
government entity gets from home, the less control you
have over it.  I don't vote as a partisan below the
state level, I vote for the best candidate.  Slim, if
a Republican school administrator screwed up your
school, get rid of her.  Organize a parental group to
protest her policies.  You can do that on the local
level, its much more difficult when you're dealing
with Washington.

The 9/11 issue of whether Bush should have continued
reading to school kids or bolt out of the room IS an
issue with me.  The President of the United States
shouldn't be addressing problems that rightly belong
to the local communities. Bush should never have been
there to begin with! However, since we've evolved to
the place in time where "they" whoever "they" may be
and not our local government is responsible for our
schools, we have to deal with federal mandates.  NCLB
is nothing more than a market mechanism that lets
parents know whether a school is performing or not. 
Its still up to the parents and the local taxpayers to
make the changes, not some beauracrat in DC.

People get the idea that as long as the money for
something, ie, schools, roads, sewers, etc., comes
from the federal level, its someone elses money.  Its
your money.  When its raised locally, spent locally,
and controlled locally, taxpayers are more demanding
and administrators are more accountable.  

How we got the idea that 535 clowns in DC along with
the President is responsible for our schools is beyond
me.

Brad Haslett
"CoraShen"

--- Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:

> Can't speak for your state, but in Texas, funding
> for schools is done
> largely by local property taxes. Tax rates for each
> independent school
> district are set by the local school board. The
> local school board are,
> in most school districts, required to be non-party.
> Sorry you're so
> unhappy with the system in your state.
> 
> >From the "past tense" way you speak of working in
> the schools, it
> sounds as if your experience pre-dated NCLB, so I'm
> not quite sure where
> the vitriol against "republicans" comes from. Just
> my opinion, but it
> looks to me as if it's just one more opportunity to
> rale against those
> nasty Republicans.
> 
> If I WERE the janitor or the lunch lady, would that
> make me any less
> able to observe what was going on around me?
> 
> Herb Parsons
> 
> S/V O'Jure
>   1976 O'Day 25
> 
> S/V Reve de Papa
>   1971 Coronado 35
> 
> 
> >>> salm at mn.rr.com 10/30/2004 4:54:28 AM >>>
> Herb,
> 
> I did indeed answer your question.  It's the
> Republicans that take away
> the
> money--be they state or federal.  If you work for a
> school district
> and
> don't know how the NCLB Act is an under funded
> mandate, then my next
> question is, are you the janitor?  The lunch lady? 
> OK, sorry, that's
> a
> cheap shot, but otherwise I find it pretty hard to
> understand how
> anyone
> cannot know how the Republicans have screwed the
> public schools with
> funding
> cuts and, ummm... union-bashing. But I digress.
> 
> Don't blame Bush?  Who's in charge?  Exactly where
> does the buck stop? 
> This
> "fact" that Bush has increased funding for education
> is a smokescreen.
> Besides being too little--too late, besides being
> nothing but the next
> political gimmick to save our schools, it's a slap
> in the face to
> teachers
> because it piles on extra pointless work but doesn't
> pay for it and
> will
> never achieve any meaningful results.  To say
> nothing of the fact that
> ALL
> children CANNOT succeed.  No Child Left Behind--my
> ass!  Forget about
> it!
> The whole concept is completely bogus.
> 
> I don't know where you work but I've worked in urban
> schools where you
> can
> just hear the sucking sound of failing students
> ready to drop out as
> soon as
> they're sixteen.  And I'm in Minnesota--one of the
> top states in
> student
> achievement.  But then Republicans have the gaul to
> blame teachers for
> the
> failures of the students and their parents.  They
> won't blame the
> parents
> because the parents are voters!  It's too easy to
> lay blame elsewhere:
> teachers. They're easy targets.
> 
> Aside:  Of course there's bureaucratic waste.  Ex:
> The first thing that
> St.
> Paul superintendent, Patricia Harvey (R) did when
> she took office was
> to add
> twelve--count 'em--twelve administrative assistant
> positions.  Funded
> by
> NCLB?  No, their salaries come out of general ed.
> 
> Question: Do you think that the best way to educate
> our children--the
> future
> leaders of the world--is to cut?
> 
> Slim
> 
> On 10/29/04 9:01 PM, "Herb Parsons"
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> 
> > It doesn't matter if your state is cutting funds,
> that's not Bush's
> > fault. The FACT is that the federal government has
> increased
> funding.
> > 
> > Careful preaching too much about what teachers
> have to do, or don't
> > have to do, I work for a school district for a
> living, I see typical
> > beauracratic waste daily.
> > 
> > But, I'll repeat my question, who is taking money
> away? If it's your
> > state, don't blame Bush.
> > 
> > Herb Parsons
> > 
> > S/V O'Jure
> > 1976 O'Day 25
> > 
> > S/V Reve de Papa
> > 1971 Coronado 35
> > 
> > 
> >>>> salm at mn.rr.com 10/29/2004 3:55:56 PM >>>
> > Herb,
> > I can only speak for Minnesota.  The Republicans
> have done nothing
> but
> > cut
> > ed funds every year they had the chance.  Or dems
> have tried to
> boost
> > it but
> > got vetoed by former Republican or Independent
> (Jesse Ventura)
> > Governors.
> > Nobody is getting more.  Everybody is getting
> less.  Almost every
> > district
> > in the state is cutting.  The Minneapolis district
> alone is closing
> at
> > least
> > a dozen schools.  I hear Bush saying he's
> increased ed funds but we
> > just
> > don't see it at the classroom level.  That money
> goes mostly for new
> > testing
> > with the NCLB Act but falls short of actually
> paying for it.  This
> > means the
> > work load for teachers has increased but the
> money's not there to
> cover
> > it.
> > That translates to less time the teachers have to
> actually teach. 
> Or
> > rather, they have to spend a lot more time
> teaching how to take
> tests.
> > Slim
> > 
> > On 10/29/04 3:20 PM, "Herb Parsons"
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> What money did anyone take away?
> >> 
> >> Herb Parsons
> >> 
> >> S/V O'Jure
> >> 1976 O'Day 25
> >> 
> >> S/V Reve de Papa
> >> 1971 Coronado 35
> >> 
> >>>>> salm at mn.rr.com 10/29/04 3:15 PM >>>
> >> Steve,
> >> 
> >> You're right that throwing money at it might not
> necessarily fix
> it,
> 
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