[Rhodes22-list] Can a girlyman be a sailor

[Ronald Lipton]

Stan,

    Thank you very much for taking the time to write your note. I have 
grown
increasingly cynical about politics, the power all seems to be held by
the groups and businesses with the money to buy PR, and not just
ads but the media themselves.  Given the backbiting, the politics of
personal destruction, the need to kowtow to contributers, I don't see
how we even get the small fraction of quality politicians that we have.
But it seems that the fraction is getting smaller.   There is always 
hope ...
I guess.

    By the way, you can get an interesting perspective on the politics of
Texas and the nation in the second volume of the Lyndon Johnson
biography by Robert Caro.  The Oil companies and Brown and Root
(now a division of Haliburton) figure prominently in his first stolen
senatorial primary as well as his subsequent career.  The more things
change the more they remain the same.

Ron Lipton
On Sep 2, 2004, at 9:16 AM, stan wrote:

> We are back to politics? - Wonderful:
>
> Notice when it is one of their own they flip flop:
>
> Cheney's daughter is gay so he is against the constitution amendment.
>
> Bush's father and TX friends went out of their way to keep him out of 
> the fray but if you sign up for it like Kerry did, and find it was a 
> mistake - that is a flip flop.
>
> If anyone else is accused of a conflict of interest, like Clinton's 
> wife was strung up for, that is ok, but the flip flop allows Mrs. 
> Cheney to sit on the board of our huge defense contractor and that is 
> not a conflict of interest.  Under whose definition?.
>
> If you want to do the real count on flip flops, see Effros book of 
> quotes to see who leads by a mile.
>
> Chris Mathews says the differences in this election are crisp if you 
> look at the major issues - I liked the way he put the decision making:
>
> If you want to cut taxes proportionally much higher for the wealthiest 
> of us - you know who to vote for.  .
>
> If you have reservations on advancing science - you know who to vote 
> for. (If you have questions on this one, ask president Regan's son)
>
> If you want us to lead the world single handedly - you know who to 
> vote for.
>
> If you do not mind someone else's kid dying to secure Feluja (sp?) as 
> long as it is not you or yours who has to die for this strategic piece 
> of land needed to keep us free of terrorist - you know who to vote for
> (personally I grieve more for the thousands and thousands whose lives 
> are now shattered by wounds then I do for the ones who may be going to 
> heaven to get their 40 virgins)
>
> If you think the way to have no child left behind is to have the rest 
> of the children stand still while the left behind kids catch up and 
> therefore flip flop over the funding of the program as it was intended 
> - you know who to vote for.
>
> If you think being for the environment is passing a law requiring new 
> energy plants to meet regulations and then allowing all energy plants 
> to rebuild themselves 99% and call that "not new" so not under the 
> regulations - you know who to vote for.
>
> And if you think the costs of the higher health bills with lower 
> worker productivity that results from dismantling in-place 
> environmental regulations can be made up with tie-ins to a stock 
> market because it always goes up - you know who to vote for.
>
> If you agree that the super new debt is going to be taken care of by 
> the super booming economy just around the corner - you know who to 
> vote for.
>
> If you think leadership is someone who sits there for seven minutes in 
> a helpless state with a totally blanc look when told we are being 
> attacked, or who lands on an aircraft carrier and emerges from a war 
> plane announcing the war is over when it has not even started, is the 
> kind of man we need to lead this country in war - you know who to vote 
> for.
>
> If you think government should stay off your back and not be telling 
> you how to run your personal business and then flip flops and tells 
> you what you have to do with your body - you know who to vote for.
>
> If you think religion should be allowed to sneak into government by 
> funding religious organizations and other creeping back door 
> techniques because you think religiously controlled countries are more 
> likely to live in peace - you know who to vote for  - but you don't 
> know your history or current events..
>
> sorry, I am running out of time - not issues that make this election 
> an easy distinction between the two major parties.
>
> Just go out and vote - or you deserve what you get.  The last election 
> was lost to the minority by just a handful of voters not voting to 
> counteract a handful of incompetent old Jewish voters who voted for 
> the favorite son, Buchanan, because they could not make out a ballot 
> that showed the wrong picture next to the one they actually intended 
> to make president.   Vote. Your vote does make a difference.
>
> stan/gbi
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Alm" <salm at mn.rr.com>
> To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Can a girlyman be a sailor
>
>
>> No doubt it takes that kind of fire power to guard the Republicans 
>> and their
>> little get-together this week.  Without them putting their butts on 
>> the
>> line, ready to take a bullet for...um...let's see...who?  Just because
>> you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you.  There must 
>> be
>> SOMEONE who deserves all that tax-payer money.  Would you take a 
>> bullet for
>> a politician that most of the world hates?  I wouldn't.  And if that 
>> makes
>> me a girlyman, then show me to the pantyhose isle!  Maybe the original
>> girlyman, Corporal Klinger, had it right all along.  8-)
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On 9/1/04 9:19 PM, "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, I have a beer in one hand and bowl of peanuts near the other. 
>>> Still
>>> wondering about girlymem, I have to admit the 4 grardsman on
>>> the train patform looked cute, the 2 state police riding in the 
>>> train car had
>>> nice hair cuts, The 200 plus cops in thier cute blue
>>> NYPD uniforms(48 to 58 street, the waldoff did it) while I walk to 
>>> the office.
>>> But the cutest of all was the swat terms(NYDP
>>> specical action units), They look darling standing thier in thier 
>>> tight
>>> unimforms, standing thier with thier m16a2 finger indexed
>>> long the triger(at least point down) and the selector set to 3 
>>> round(I think
>>> so), I gives me a woody just thinking about it. Bad
>>> day! haw! How many are putting thier ass on the line.
>>>
>>> MJM
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:53 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Can a girlyman be a sailor
>>>
>>>
>>>> Michael:
>>>> We understand that you had a bad day.  The use of alcohol after such
>>>> a day yields weird results.  Stay away from the bottle.
>>>> Just tune into Rum Runner music: http://users2.ev1.net/~barr/
>>>> Listen and you can tell what rum will do to you.
>>>>
>>>> Ed K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:18 AM
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Can a girlyman be a sailor
>>>>
>>>> Answer......NO. That would be an oxymoron.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
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