[Rhodes22-list] What do you do with monsters?

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 10 13:01:06 EDT 2004 

Very good Steve, there may be more to you than meets the eye! ;-) Why 
haven't you posted in this manner previously?

Women's right  - I am talking about abortion

Pork - It doesn't sound like you understand what is meant by pork

Medical subsidy - This is a bad idea, we just need to charge the rest of the 
world more! Even developed countries that can afford to pay more get drugs 
cheaper than we do. Charitable organizations can take care of the needy over 
seas. I am surprised you are for this! You are against providing hand outs 
in our country yet you care about the rest of the world?

Beholden to oil companies - Think of how we work with Saudis, they support 
terror yet they are still our buds. Think attacking Iraq. There are worse 
examples of terror but these countries do not have oil so we don't care.

Judges and our rights - Think Patriot Act, we needed something passed but 
this was not the answer. The government is gaining access to things they 
have no business in. Think wire taps without warrants as a start. Access to 
our public library records. This all leads down a very slippery slope. And 
again think of women's rights.

Terrorism is on the rise! Heck even FOX has reported all the terror attacks 
going on. You say we don't want to live like isreal. it seems to me that 
Isreal has been quite agressive on fighting terror. I don't think their 
tactics have worked very well at all. We can't build a giant fence around 
our whole country. Terror attacks are up world wide.

We should worry less about leading the world and more about solving are own 
problems. Our deficit is not due to welfare. Wasn't Clinton the guy that 
signed the bill leading to a huge reduction in welfare? Incomes in America 
are dropping for the first time in history and we will go broke trying to 
save the world. I never understand that those who seem the most against 
lending a hand in the US are the biggest supporters of trying to lead the 
world. I just don't get it.

So Steve I guess we just disagree! At least you tried to explain your self 
without shouting insults!

Wally


>From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do with monsters?
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:13:20 -0700 (PDT)
>
>See below.  I will write inside message:
>
>--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't know why I will bother but I will give it a
> > shot. Keep in mind I am
> > still not sure if I will vote for Kerry or go
> > Libertarian. I have voted
> > thrid party several times in the past and most
> > likely will do so this time.
> >
> > Typically our country runs better with split
> > congress and executive branch
> > (check history books for this fact)
> >
> > He would most likely reign in republican pork
> >
>So called republican port allow companies to produce
>goods or services with a higher profit margin.  The
>higher the profit margin, the more workers the
>companies will need to hire to produce more of the
>goods & services to maintain its market share.
>
> > He would not pass a subsidy for drug companies
>
>R&D is the most expensive component of drugs.  US drug
>companies lead the world in new chemical compounds
>that have lead to the outpatient medical practice that
>we see today.  Due to all the R&D, most inpatient
>stays at a hospital are overnight.  This R&D is being
>passed on to US citizens which is why we pay higher
>prices for our drugs here in the US as oppose to other
>countries where its citizens cannot afford them.  This
>is why the Bush administration went with the subidies
>for drug companies in the Medicare PD plan so as to
>spread the costs out to all the taxpayers whereas the
>elderly can buy thier drugs at a lower cost.
> >
> > He would do a better job protecting our environment
> >
>I will give you this one but here is my point.  There
>are many enviromental laws already on the books.  And
>thier not going away.  Some have been lossen up while
>this country pulls out of this recession but the basic
>principles are still there.  Again, companies must
>make money in order to hire new workers.  During a
>recession, if you lossen up enviroment rules,
>companies can adjust its spending to focus on its core
>reason for being which is to manufacture its goods or
>services which lead to new hiring.
>
> > He would not be beholding to oil companies
> >
>I have seen nothing that show that Bush is beholden to
>oil companies.  All his policies have been equal to
>all player to get this country back on its feet.
>Example, the tariffs on steel.  Steel workers are
>union workers which are usually democrats.  Bush is
>pretty fair in my opinion.
>
> > He would do a better job supporting development of
> > alternative fuels
> >
>Bush is supporting development of alternative fuels.
>He have put more taxpayers money into this than
>Clinton did.  But one thing to keep in mind as it
>relates to this, until Americans decide to enbrace
>alternative fuels, they will keep buying these gas
>gussiling SUV.  Yes, I own a Big Chevy gas drinking
>truck but most of the democrates I work with own them
>too.  Note: you don't see John Kerry driving
>alternative fuel car!
>
> > Support the scientific community and medical
> > research
> >
>I don't know why you quote this one due to Bush has
>put NASA into a mode to try and put a man on Mars.
>NASA is the backbone for scientific inventsions.
>Things that NASA invents works it way down into our
>everyday life.  Stem cell research is funded by the
>government but under moral principles.  Private sector
>stem cell research is not governer or regulated.
>
> > Protect womens rights
> >
>Bush protects all womens rights.  He has done nothing
>that would suggust otherwise.
>
> > He will appoint judges that respect the constitution
> > and our rights.
> >
>I strongly disagree here.  Bush is a strong supporter
>of the constitution.  If you look at all the cases of
>judges that are NOT following the constitution;those
>are liberal judges NOT conservative ones.  I have yet
>to see a conservative judge sway from the written law.
>  But there are many examples of liberal judes that
>pass down rulings that are is sharp contrast to what
>the law actually says.
>
>
> > He will not confuse Al Queda with Saddam.
> >
>The war on terror has many fronts.  Al Queda &
>Afganisam was the 1st front.  Saddam would not comply
>with the UN.  The UN was being made to look like a
>joke.  14 resolutions place on him & he still would
>not comply.  The problem had to be dealt with.  The
>Iraq people were being brutalize & killed and it
>needed to stop. The world knew he had WMD; he used
>them on his own people.  What he did with them, I
>don't know.  But we do keep finding all kinds of stuff
>out in the deasert.  For us to win the war on terror,
>(remember we don't want to have to live like Israeli
>where we have bombing in our streets everyday.  We
>must take the fight to them.  If countries our
>harboring terrorists, then those countries must be
>dealt with so that the world know that this is NOT
>acceptable behavior.
>
> > I realize all of the above is just speculation but
> > based on what I have seen
> > from Bush i would be willing to take my chances with
> > just about anybody. He
> > is spending our money like a drunken sailor.
>
>The US is the riches country on the plantet.  We must
>step up to the plate and lead.  If we don't set an
>example, Who Will?  Remember, this so called deficit
>could be eliminated in a couple years if we reduced
>walfare programs.  We have to many welfare programs
>and they do nothing to promote new jobs and/or
>stimulate the economy.  US companies do that!
>
>The
> > best I can tell terrorism
> > is on the rise world wide. I can't really blame Bush
> > for that but I don't
> > think our foreign policy has helped the situation.
> > If anything he has made
> > it worse.
> >
>Terrorism is not on the rise.  We are eliminating it.
>We are killing them dead everyday.  What you are
>seeing on the liberal media is the media trying to
>paint a pictures worst than what it is.  Remember,
>ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN are all Liberal Medias and they
>promote Kerry.  YOu will never see anything on them
>that show Bush in a good light.  It won't happen.
>
> > I am wondering if you can act like a big boy and
> > respond without resorting
> > to abusive name calling.
> >
>How was this?????????
>
>
> > Wally
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do with
> > monsters?
> > >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:56:36 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Chris
> > >Check the polls.  Of course you will find out for
> > sure
> > >come November.  BTW: I have yet to see one good
> > >argument from all you liberals on what Kerry can do
> > >good for this country.  All I keep hearing is Bush
> > >bashing.  Kerry has no good record to talk about.
> > >
> > >Again, he has voted against every major weapons
> > system
> > >that keep this country free.  Explain
> > that!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Steve,
> > > >  The strength of your logic and comprehension of
> > the
> > > > constitution are in
> > > > inverse proportion to the depth of your name
> > > > calling.  There is no way that
> > > > you represent the mainstream of America or even
> > the
> > > > Republican party.
> > > >
> > > > Chris G.
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do with
> > > > monsters?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Wally / Eric
> > > > >For the record, I question anyone patriotism
> > when
> > > > all
> > > > >they do is talk liberial crap.  I question John
> > > > Kerry
> > > > >patriotism, I question his honor, and I
> > question
> > > > his
> > > > >seft serving attitude.
> > > > >
> > > > >When it time to fight; this country has to
> > LEAD.
> > > > And
> > > > >I question liberal democrats patriotism for not
> > > > >knowing the need to FIGHT FOR FREEDOM.  YES YOU
> > ARE
> > > > >COWARDS.  AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FIGHT FOR
> > THIS
> > > > >COUNTRY; GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >You democrats do nothing to help this country.
> > You
> > > > >are a drain on it resources.  YOu wonder why
> > > > Companies
> > > > >out source jobs to other countries; IT'S
> > BECAUSE OF
> > > > >ALL THE LAZY ASS DEMOCRATS THAT WON'T PUT IN A
> > HARD
> > > > >DAY WORK FOR THEIR PAYCHECK.  Companies are not
> > a
> > > > >welfare program.  Work for you paycheck.
> > > > >
> > > > >This election is all about the WAR.  Who will
> > > > defend
> > > > >this country against all the terrorists who are
> > > > >willing to kill democrats and republicans &
> > > > >independents.  The answere is George W. Bush.
> > John
> > > > >Kerry is a flip flop, can't decide what side of
> > the
> > > > >fence he is on, say whatever the crowd whats -
> > > > LIBERAL
> > > > >DEMOCRAT.   John Kerry CANNOT be trusted to
> > defend
> > > > >this country.
> > > > >
> > > > >As far as any of you people not liking what I
> > have
> > > > to
> > > > >say about liberal democrats - KISS MY COUNTRY
> > > > >ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >When it come to my family life, I know that
> > George
> > > > W.
> > > > >Bush will do what is necessary to defend this
> > > > country.
> > > > > Which may mean invade Iran, North Korea and
> > any
> > > > other
> > > > >country that posise a threat.
> > > > >
> > > > >And quit worring about out solders.  That are
> > the
> > > > best
> > > > >fighting men in the world.  Yes, we may lose a
> > few,
> > > > >But thier fighting for liberity, freedom for
> > people
> > > > >that the rest of the world like France &
> > Germany
> > > > won't
> > > > >help.  We American help; that what we do.  LIVE
> > > > WITH
> > > > >IT!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > >STEVE
> > > > >
> > > > >PS - and if you don't like this; do the letter
> > F  O
> > > > >mean anything.  If you are a coward, learn to
> > live
> > > > >with it; or change yourself.
> > > > >
> > > > >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Eric,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You are quite welcome. Steve has insulted my
> > > > >> "liberal" family members who
> > > > >> served as well. I have tried explaining to
> > Steve
> > > > >> that I usually am quite
> > > > >> conservative but I was against the US
> > invading
> > > > Iraq
> > > > >> when we did. I still am
> > > > >> today. Steve thinks just because someone is
> > > > against
> > > > >> the war with Iraq they
> > > > >> are liberal cowards. He seems to be the only
> > one
> > > > on
> > > > >> this list who cannot
> > > > >> communicate his view without resorting to
> > > > insults.
> > > > >> Some folks either don't
> > > > >> know US history or chose to ignore it. It
> > seems
> > > > to
> > > > >> me several democrats have
> > > > >> led this nation into war/armed conflicts,
> > think
> > > > FDR,
> > > > >> Truman, Kennedy,
> > > > >> Johnson and yes even Clinton.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Wally
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >From: eric.charles.newburger at census.gov
> > > > >> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do
> > with
> > > > >> monsters?
> > > > >> >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:53:22 -0400
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Thank you, Wally, for your reply to Steve.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >A lot of my liberal family members have
> > served
> > > > in
> > > > >> the military...my Father,
> > > > >> >Step Father, Father in Law, Uncles, others.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >I didn't like reading words that impugned
> > their
> > > > >> honor.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >I wrote a rather uncivil reply, which I've
> > kept
> > > > to
> > > > >> myself.  I much prefer
> > > > >> >Wally's.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Eric Newburger
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
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