[Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading
Steve
rhodes2282 at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 22 09:20:27 EDT 2004
The UN is involved. 14 resolutions. The only problem
is that the UN does not back up what it says. The USA
has a multinations force. And the USA & UN talked to
Saldam for 10 years. The French & German were milking
the Iraq Oil for food program lineing there pockets.
We don't need people like that on our side.
Good axiom, " United we stand, divided we fall". The
only problem is that the Democrats don't believe in
it. When a group of people does not believe in
stoping mass murders on million of people. Excuse me
for saying but there is something wrong with that
group of people. How many years over the 10 that had
already gone by and how many more resolutions needed
to be done on top of the 14 already on Iraq?
One other thing, I have yet to hear anything on why
Kerry would make a good President. All I'm hearing is
Bush bashing. If there is nothing good about Kerry;
then why would you vote for a guy that can't do the
job. Kerry won't protect this country. He won't
maintain our miltary. And if he got in office, the
USA would be in the same state, with the same problems
as Iseral. Anyway, just something I find interesting.
This war had to be done. Some may not agree but after
10 years and 14 resolutions, the UN is now a Total
Joke and the only thing keeping this planet in order
is the USA. We must have a strong leader and Bush is
that leader.
Been busy the last several days and am just getting
back to reading a hundred e-mails. Funny thing; so far
not one e-mail on why Kerry is fit for office.
Interesting to me anyways!
Steve
--- Lou Rosenberg <lsr3 at MAIL.nyu.edu> wrote:
> > Rik,
>
> Sorry for delayed reply, as I have been sick.
> I dont know that but I do know that this would
> have been a PERFECT
> job for either NATO or the UN or BOTH to get
> involved and stop
> prostelatizing about world peace and take action in
> a multi lateral
> way. Granted this type of action would have
> needed true leadership
> coming from the White House . In an aside, I happen
> to like the
> leadership that Gen Colin Powell brought to State
> dept, but i dont
> think the administration gave him enough time or
> power to develop a
> true alliance of other countries to bring to the
> coalition.
> In any case I believe in the axiom, " United we
> stand, divided we fall"
>
> Lou
>
>
>
> >
> >I gotta ask Lou....... How can you possibly *KNOW*
> that???
> >
> >I didn't care what the French thought when we got
> into this in the
> >first place and I still don't. Maybe you'd like to
> explain to the
> >list the French's reasons for not wanting to take
> out Saddam
> >Hussein. Apparently the money they stood to make in
> the oil business
> >there was far more important to them then the lives
> hundreds of
> >thousands of Iraqis that Saddam and his sons were
> doing away with in
> >the most heinous ways possible. I would be willing
> to wager that
> >there have been less Iraqi lives lost in the year
> since the invasion
> >than there were in Saddam's prisons and torture
> chambers the year
> >before the invasion.
> >
> >And lest we forget, Saddam proved he was perfectly
> willing to use
> >WMD on his own citizens. Obviously he had WMD then.
> What do you
> >suppose he did with all that. Maybe we should have
> been looking in
> >Siria??? I wonder, how tough could it be to ditch a
> few suitcases
> >full of anthrax, ricin, or mustard gas. It doesn't
> take much of this
> >stuff to kill or cripple a hell of a lot of people.
> I also have to
> >wonder, If he decided he needed the stuff back, how
> long do you
> >suppose it would have taken him to get it???
> >
> >Some people *NEED* to be done away with. Saddam
> Hussein was one of
> >those people. I'm just glad that we had the balls
> to do it in spite
> >of the French, Germans and Russians who would have
> happily looked
> >the other way while they made their oil money.
> >
> >Rik
> >
> >Lou Rosenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Right ON Bill!
> >> Americans were not so much mislead as many chose
> to watch the spin
> >>of the NEWS ( except the obvious NPR and
> alternative thinking
> >>media stations) which In my unhumble opinion was
> also to blame for
> >>helping MANY citizens be mislead into believing
> that Saddam had
> >>something to HIDE besides his previous WAR
> crimes. A united
> >>allied invasion of Iraq would not have lead to
> this chaos and
> >>dismemberment of the Iraqi people. Worse, GOOD
> MEN and WOMEN of
> >>America are dying for WHAT???
> >> If you want to go vote for BUSH go out and fight
> the war
> >>YOURSELVES dont send our best women and men out
> there to do it.
> >> "thats all I have to say about that"
> >> Lou
> >>
> >>
> >>On Monday, September 20, 2004, at 08:38 PM, Bill
> Effros wrote:
> >>
> >>>Michael,
> >>>
> >>>Everyone did not think Saddam Hussein had WMD.
> In fact, nobody
> >>>thought so, and most of the civilized world said
> they could find
> >>>no evidence of WMD in Iraq.
> >>>
> >>>The W. administration was the only one saying
> Iraq had WMD, and
> >>>the W. administration claimed to know exactly
> where they were.
> >>>They said the United Nations Weapons Inspectors
> were not doing
> >>>their jobs. You must remember this. You are a
> bright guy, too.
> >>>
> >>>The W. administration created their own internal
> intelligence unit
> >>>which started to manufacture the evidence needed
> to convince the
> >>>American people that Iraq had WMD. Contradictory
> intelligence
> >>>coming from our own intelligence community was
> ignored and
> >>>discredited.
> >>>
> >>>The Ws took the position that it was un-American
> to challenge
> >>>their view that Iraq had WMD. They made our
> soldiers fight in
> >>>the desert in full chemical warfare outfits.
> They said we had to
> >>>take out Saddam before he took us out with his
> nukes. To quote
> >>>David Kay--our chief weapons inspector--"We were
> almost all
> >>>wrong."
> >>>
> >>>But the rest of the world wasn't. The French,
> and the Russians,
> >>>and the Chinese, everyone in the UN except the
> British, kept
> >>>trying to tell us--but we wouldn't listen.
> Don't you remember?
> >>>No French > fries?
> >>>
> >>>You were misled, and so were many other
> Americans.
> >>>
> >>>When did you figure out that there were no WMD in
> Iraq? The Ws
> >>>still haven't figured it out--or at least they
> claim they
> >>>haven't. Do you believe them? They had 1400
> people combing
> >>>every trash can in the country at a cost of
> literally Billions of
> >>>dollars--Billions with a B--looking for
> something that virtually
> >>>everyone in the world knew they weren't going to
> find.
> >>>
> >>>I call that misleading, and I say that's the
> issue.
> >>>
> >>>We literally can't afford leadership like this.
> >>>
> >>>Bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: Michael Meltzer
> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:39 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Oh come one bill,
> >>>
> >>>"has reported back that there were no Weapons of
> Mass Destruction.
> >>>
> >>>I call that misleading, and I believe that's what
> this election is about."
> >>>
> >>>You are more intellect than that, WMD in Iraq are
> not going to
> >>>decide the election. Does not your religion
> teach that "Noah was a
> >>>moral man for his time", and in the same way
> everyone thought the
> >>>jerk had them(and he did use them), all sides in
> DC with full
> >>>check and balances. Sometime you have to go with
> what you got and
> >>>make a call. I also thing you are offbase with
> people focusing on
> >>>the WMD as the deciding issue, it their but way
> down the list.
> >>>
> >>>Now I just read that Bill Burkett has some type
> of ties to the
> >>>"along with whatever contacts Mr. Burkett might
> have had with
> >>>Democratic operatives.", It look like this guy
> tried to grid an ax
> >>>before(some about when bush was govern), do not
> let your zell
> >>>overlook that "the dirty tick" department is
> back, Maybe we need
> >>>"Deep throat"(maybe I am thing about an enough
> post :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>MJM
> >>>
> >>>PS. BTW bill do not freak, just my shot at a
> little payback :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:33 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Steve,
> >>>
> >>>I know it will amaze you to learn that just
> because you say "End
> >>>of story" that doesn't make it the end of the
> story.
> >>>
> >>>On July 13, 2003 Secretary of Defense Donald
> Rumsfeld, when asked
> >>>whether George W. Bush had misled the nation with
> regard to the
> >>>threat of Weapons of Mass Destruction said "End
> of story." But it
> >>>really wasn't, was it?
> >>>
> >>>Every weapons inspector who has tried to find the
> weapons W.
> >>>warned of in his State of the Union Speech, and
> that Secretary of
> >>>State
> >>>Colin Powell warned of in his United Nations
> speech, has reported
> >>>back that there were no Weapons of Mass
> Destruction.
> >>>
> >>>I call that misleading, and I believe that's what
> this election is about.
> >>>
> >>>Even if he wins, I don't think that will be the
> end of this story.
> >>>
> >>>Bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: Steve
> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:07 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Bill
> >>>Bush received a Honorable Discharge. End of
> story.
> >>>Last poll I heard was that only 1 in 5 even care
> about
> >>>his guard service and then even its not an issue
> for
> >>>voting on for President.
> >>>
> >>>As for a Kerry goes, we can debate Bush all day
> long,
> >>>but there is nothing to debate about Kerry; he
> has no
> >>>stance on anything. His voting record clearing
> shows
> >>>that he cannot be trusted to protect this
> country.
> >>>Again, End of Story.
> >>>Steve
> >>>
> >>>PS - Good attachment Brad.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--- brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Bill,
> >>>>
> >>>>I respectfully disagree with most if not all of
> your
> >>>>assessments, however, time does not permit me to
> >>>>formulate a reasoned response this morning. I
> do
> >>>>have
> >>>>one, trust me.
> >>>>
> >>>>In the meantime, enjoy the attachment.
> >>>>
> >>>>Brad Haslett
> >>>>"CoraShen"
> >>>>
> >>>>--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Brad,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The point of the National Guard issue is not
> >>>>>Vietnam, any more than the Clinton Impeachment
> was
> >>>>>about sex. Both hinge on the question of
> >>>>>Presidential misleading. George W. Bush ran
> for
> >>>>>President on this issue, saying repeatedly that
> he
> >>>>>would not mislead the American people. The
> extent
> >>>>>to which he has misled the American people
> about
> >>>>
> >>>>his
> >>>>
> >>>>>National Guard record is emblematic of the way
> he
> >>>>>has misled the American People about virtually
> >>>>>everything else.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>And it doesn't matter on which side of the
> >>>>
> >>>>political
> >>>>
> >>>>>fence you place yourself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Did W. report for duty in Alabama as ordered?
> No,
> >>>>>he did not. He wants to mislead you on this
> >>>>
> >>>>point,
> >>>>
> >>>>>he can't remember where he was; he doesn't
> >>>>
> >>>>remember
> >>>>
> >>>>>what he did; there isn't a single individual he
> >>>>
> >>>>ever
> >>>>
> >>>>>spoke to, or reported to while he was there; he
> >>>>>knows he got an honorable discharge, so he
> figures
> >>>>>you've got to assume he must have been there.
> But
> >>>>>he wasn't, and there is ample support for that
> >>>>>statement in the records disclosed by the White
> >>>>>House, and in follow-up interviews with every
> >>>>
> >>>>single
> >>>>
> >>>>>person who was there at the time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>But the issue is not military records. It is
> >>>>>misleading. W. has been misleading since he
> was a
> >>>>>kid, and it just doesn't stop. He misled us
> about
> >>>>>having no connection to the "Swift Boat
> Captains
> >>>>
> >>>>for
> >>>>
> >>>>>Truth," he misled us about the environment, he
> >>>>>misled us about tax cuts, he misled us about
> the
> >>>>>budget, he misled us about fiscal conservatism,
> he
> >>>>>misled us about free trade, he misled us about
> >>>>
> >>>>going
> >>>>
> >>>>>after Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, he misled
> us
> >>>>>about why we had to go to war with Iraq, he
> misled
> >>>>>us about "Mission Accomplished", he misled us
> >>>>
> >>>>about
> >>>>
> >>>>>how much the war would cost, he misled us about
> >>>>>Halliburton, he misled us about oil, he misled
> us
> >>>>>about Weapons of Mass Destruction, he misled us
> >>>>>about Libya, he misled us about France, he
> misled
> >>>>
> >>>>us
> >>>>
> >>>>>about Korea, he misled us about "good science",
> he
> >>>>>misled us about his energy policy, he misled us
> >>>>>about Enron, he mislead us about the "Axis of
> >>>>
> >>>>Evil",
> >>>>
> >>>>>he misled us about Social Security, he misled
> us
> >>>>>about 9/11, he misled us about health care
> costs,
> >>>>
> >>>>he
> >>>>
> >>>>>misled us about being "a uniter, not a
> divider,"
> >>>>
> >>>>he
> >>>>
> >>>>>misled us about "fuzzy math," he misled us
> about
> >>>>>"revisionist history," he ....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The idea that people surrounding W. are
> >>>>
> >>>>criticizing
> >>>>
> >>>>>Kerry for flip-flops is the ultimate in
> >>>>
> >>>>unmitigated
> >>>>
> >>>>>gall. W. has taken every side of every issue.
> It
> >>>>>should be easier to compile a list of things he
> >>>>
> >>>>did
> >>>>
> >>>>>not mislead us on. Except that it isn't. What
> >>>>>didn't he mislead us on?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Bill
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>From: brad haslett
> >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:33 AM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: National
> >>>>>Guard Was Hudson River Sailing
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Bill,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Read it! You have to get up pretty early to
> beat
> >>>>
> >>>>me
> >>>>
> >>>>>to the Times, even though I read it with a
> "grain
> >>>>
> >>>>of
> >>>>
> >>>>>salt" just like I do the Memphis Commercial
> >>>>
> >>>>Appeal.
> >>>>
> >>>>>Jason Blair may be gone but his spirit lives on
> at
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>"Grey Lady.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Here's a link to its real signifigance:
> >>>>>
> >>>>
>
>>>http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=ses
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Brad Haslett
> >>>>>"CoraShen"
> >>>>>--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Nice.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Did you see this one today?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>From everything I know they got their facts
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>straight:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
>
>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/20/politics/campaign/20bama.html?hp
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Bill
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>From: brad haslett
> >>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:05 AM
> >>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hudson River Sailing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Hey Bill!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Did you see this article in today's NY Times?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
>
>>>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/nyregion/19towns.html?hp
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On the next long layover in the NYC area I'm
> >>>>>
> >>>>going
> >>>>
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>try to make it up there. Might even give them
> >>>>>
> >>>>>some
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>money, you know, compassionate conservative I
> >>>>>
> >>>>am.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Brad Haslett
> >>>>>>"CoraShen"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> A vote for BUSH is voting for an INCOMPETENT man
> whose goal is to
> DIVIDE this NATION, lock America into a unilateral
> war against Iraqis
> who just want their country back. BUSH has NOT
> supported any
> EDUCATIONAL reforms or allowed any progress in
> enviornmental issues.
> Our children will be paying for the debts created
> NOW for years to
> come unless we STOP this administration's drain on
> our economic
> growth.
> G BUSH has alienated the USA from the world
> community and has made
> our image less than great in the eyes of may nations
> we used to call
> allies.
> A vote for KERRY/ EDWARDS is a vote for attempting
> to change
> PRIORITIES and to bring the country back together ,
> safer, with our
> liberties intact.
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