[Rhodes22-list] Outboards

[Steve]

Roger
2 cycles have always been totally realiable.  You
can't say that about 4 cycles. 2 cycles can be worked
on by anybody with a screwdriver, plier and socket
set. Again, you can't say that about 4 cycles.  

4 cycles do NOT have any proven history behind them. 
Only a lot of owners taking them to the shop to have
them worked on.  

2 cycles usually only need a new spark plug every few
years.  As for the noice, turn the radio up or hoist
your sails.  As for the gas mileges, I only burn 1 six
gallon tank a year.  What better mileges do I need.
Steve



--- Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net> wrote:

> Bill,
> 
> One defective engine from Nissan  has nothing to do
> with average emissions
> from 4-cycle vs. 2-cycle engines.
> 
> Bill, for every one of your amusing anecdotes about
> people having troubles
> with their 4-cycle outboards, I can cite you four
> other stories about
> 4-cycle owners that are happy with 2X better fuel
> economy, less noise, no
> smoke, not having to mix oil with the gas, etc.  You
> know, I've talked with
> mechanics at local marinas, did a search on the
> internet, looked in Consumer
> Reports, looked in the Consumer Product Recall
> archieves.  I can't find any
> hard evidence about the problems you keep harping
> about regarding 4-cycle
> reliability.  In my FAQ which I sent to you, I cited
> the emission &
> toxicology studies that led up to the current
> emssion regulations.  You
> rejected it all as "glurge".  If the 4-cycle
> outboards were really having
> the sorts of problems you claim on a widespread
> basis; then, shouldn't there
> be
> some hard data somewhere?  Well, now its your turn
> sir, I challenge you
> to cite us some hard data on this issue - a service
> bulletin from one of the
> outboard manufacturers, a consumer product safety
> commision report, a
> reputable survey - something other than your own
> experience.
> 
> By the way, even if your claims about having to mix
> additives with 4-cycle
> fuel were true, which I dispute, the 4-cycle engine
> emission data shows it
> emits about 1/10 the unburned hydrocarbons of a
> 2-cycle engine.  So, even if
> these additives were required in 4-cycle fuel, the
> 4-cycle engine would
> still do a much better job of incinerating them than
> 2-cycle engines do.
> 
> Bill, it's time to put up or shut up.  I say you
> don't know what you are
> talking about.  Show us the data to prove that you
> do.  Until you can
> show us this data, I'm going to bring this issue up
> every time you say
> anything about 2-cycle vs. 4-cycle engines.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outboards
> 
> 
> > That's "abated breath" I hit the send key when
> aiming for the save key.
> >
> > Keep us posted on the Nissan.  I don't know if
> anyone else has a Nissan
> 4-stroke.  I was considering them, also.  Is it
> quiet?
> >
> > Roger, not to go round on this again, but my
> consistent point has been
> that Ron with his supposedly environmentally sound
> engine has just dumped
> more oil into the environment in 2 hours than I have
> dumped into the
> environment with my 2 stroke in 2 years.  The dealer
> reports this was not an
> isolated case.  Many people on the list with
> 4-strokes are dumping oil into
> their gas tanks to ensure proper lubrication of
> their engines.
> >
> > As everyone knows, I can go off on a right-wing
> screed on this issue, but
> I am trying to restrain myself.
> >
> > I know everyone is trying to do the right thing. 
> Sometimes that impulse
> leads to bad policy, bad laws, and bad decisions. 
> What does Ron do now?
> They're not going to give him a new engine.  And
> maybe a new one would be
> just as bad as the one he's got.
> >
> > What do I do now?  I was thinking of getting a
> 4-stroke, too, but I wanted
> to see what happened with Ron.
> >
> > I WAS waiting with 'bated breath.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Effros
> > To: Ronald Lipton ; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outboards
> >
> >
> > I believe it's a contraction for "abated breth"
> 'bated breath.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ronald Lipton
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outboards
> >
> >
> >
> > For those of you waiting with baited beath (does
> this means worms
> > hanging out of your mouth?).  I ended up buying
> the Nissan 6 four
> > cycle.   I could not find a reasonably priced used
> 2 cycle long shaft.
> > The Monroe Harbormaster was very accomodating
> ferrying me out
> > to the boat and helping me remove the old engine
> and install the new
> > one.
> >
> > The story does not yet have a happy ending ... the
> new Nissan
> > is burning oil, having emptied it's resovoir after
> about 2 hours of
> > running and with a thick cloud of smoke on
> startup.  I was told by
> > the dealer that some of the engines "do that"
> until they are broken
> > in - but I am sceptical.  Hopefully I can keep it
> running well
> > enough to allow me to finish the season before it
> is serviced, but
> > I still have the outboard blues.
> >
> > for Stan:
> >
> > Go IU, beat Purdue. ( It might happen someday)
> >
> > Ron
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