[Rhodes22-list] Fred's Sails

[ed kroposki]

Fred:

	Are you going to replace the sacrificial canvass yourself or have a
loft or Sailcare fix it?  Or are you going buy a new sail? 
	That being said, my question that you never answered was do you have
a centerboard or diamond board.  But I think that you have answered the
question by telling us the condition of your Genny.  If you had a diamond
board, your sails should be newer and therefore not deteriorated.  So may I
conclude that you have a centerboard?
	Does your boat have inside sheeting tracks, fairleads or cleats on
the outside cabin wall?  Since I have the inside tracks, I can adjust the
cars which have blocks to maintain leech tension on the 175.  I have
concluded that with the tracks, I can maintain better sail shape by
adjusting the cars to keep the leech tight and well angled when sheeting
inside.  
	Even with the sails outside, maybe the condition of the sails is a
big factor in your pointing.  The tighter I get my Genny, the better I
point, even at 175.  I have not figured out how to get the foot as tight as
the leech.  If I use a balance approach, the leech is not tight enough.  I
can see why those who race get the 'new' high tech sails.  

Ed K
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Ed,

I thought I answered your question and I don't recall asking one.  Since we 
so misunderstand each other, we ought to have a political discussion.

Anyway, today was God's late summer gift to boaters on Lake Erie--perfect 
temperature and no bugs, perfect wind and no waves.  Yet even while I was so

enraptured by His presence, I though of you, Ed. Rather, I was thinking of
your 
question, or answer, or whatever.

Coming back to my home light, I was beating at about 4.5 knots.  The boat
was 
pinching as hard as I could get her by tightening the back stays as much as
I 
could and pulling the 175% genny to the end of the track.  The Autohelm was 
locked to keep the tiller at midship, allowing the R22 to seek the highest 
point into the wind.  The GPS showed her track varied 3-5 deg, which would 
represent the variation in wind direction.

Unfortunately, I didn't have the weight on board to keep the boat sailing on

her lines because I was single handing and getting too old to sit on the
rail 
comfortably.  So heel was between 10 and 20 deg.  Another problem is that
the 
leech edge of the canvas sun protection strip for my genny has rotted
allowing 
the tension line to fly free.  (Got to wait for winter to fix that since I 
have the GBI furler.)

In clear air, I tacked three times through 100 to 110 degrees.  That means I

was sailing between 50 and 55 degrees off the wind.  With more ballast and a

not-ratty head sail, I probably would have been closer to the theoretical 45

deg.

Does that answer your question?  (Oops, maybe we're back in the 
question-question loop again.)

Fred

In a message dated 9/22/04 8:22:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ekroposki at charter.net writes:

> Fred:
>   Thank you for still not answering my question while asking another.
> 
>   Would it have been a question to which you do not know the answer?
> 
>   Nevertheless, I will answer your question and that is I do not know
> the real answer to that question.  I just look at who has trouble pointing
> to the wind.  By asking the question, from those willing to respond, I get
> more information on which to make an opinion.  I also learn ways to better
> point to the wind.
>   I am not an experienced sailor.  I am a Saturday afternoon sailor
> who uses the wind to take him anywhere and nowhere in particular.  
>   That being said, if the wind is fresh, I believe that if scientific
> instruments were used, when I set up for the wind, I can point less the 45
> degrees mentioned on this list recently.  In fact, when I try, I think
that
> I can get closer to 35 degrees.  
>   However, that is just a wild-eyed guess based on my Windex.  Last
> Saturday with the wind gusting to knock down power, I could not get that,
> but at that point the Genny was outside at about 100% and I was on final
> approach to the Marina.
>   And, if you read the post on this list you will learn how to push
> the envelope.  
>   Now tell us, does your dog point?  
> 
> Ed K
> 
> 
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fred's pointing
> 
> Ed,
> 
> I thought the diamond board was better because of the more forward weight 
> distribution.
> 
> Fred
> 
> In a message dated 9/21/04 5:53:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> ekroposki at charter.net writes:
> 
> >
> >
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list]Fred's Hunter IMF
> >
> >Fred:
> >
> >Is it a secret?  Because I think that R22's with a centerboard like mine
> >point better than those with a diamond board.  But so far this just a
> guess
> >or opinion.  Now answer the question, pretty please.
> >
> >Ed K
> >
> 

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