[Rhodes22-list] Politics: Brad's Article about Kurds

[ed kroposki]

Brad:

	I just had time to look at your article about the Kurdish area of
Iraq.  Did you really read this whole thing or just scan it.  
	The first thing that I see is use of the byline 'FACT'.  That must
just be a colloquial use of the word, just as Bill uses it.  The rest of use
want a narrow identifiable point, not 26 pages.  
	It must be the New York media trying to embellish the American
English language with their own interpretations of words or as seen in the
past creating their own words or pronunciations, like their pronunciation of
Qatar.  Or creating the word 'gravitas'.

Ed K

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Bill,

Where have you been hiding?  WMD conspiracy theories? 
I love/hate the New Yorker Magazine but I'll use it to
make a point.  Saddams's possession AND use of WMD is
well documented.  Where are they now?  Don't know.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?020325fa_FACT1

There's tons of info on this attack and others.  I'm
using this article out of convenience because I
remember reading it when it was first published.

Brad Haslett
"CoraShen"
--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com wrote:

 Brad,
 
 That's the 1991 analysis of chemical agents.  CIA
 was wrong about their ability to create and store
 chemical agents after 1991.  They couldn't and
 didn't.  We know that now.
 
 We provided Iraq with the biological weapons.  They
 didn't have the ability to develop them by
 themselves.  Iraq never developed the ability to
 make them.  They never had nukes, and never came
 close.  We provided the precursor chemicals required
 for Iraq's manufacture of chemical weapons, and we
 authorized their use, but when we pulled the plug
 they were never able to produce the stable chemicals
 required in sufficient quantity for a weapons
 program.  We have stockpiles of many of the same
 chemical WMD, and like the Iraqis, we destroyed
 several different types because they were unstable.
 
 We didn't find WMD because Iraq didn't have WMD. 
 Our government spent over a billion dollars looking
 for something every knowledgeable person knew wasn't
 there and hadn't been there.  There are real issues
 to address.  Let's not spend a lot of time
 concocting WMD conspiracy theories.
 
 Bill
 
 
 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: brad haslett 
 To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
 Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]Politics: Another
 Fearless Prediction
 
 
 Gentlemen,
 
 Here's a link to the Federation of American
 Scientists
 1991 analysis of Iraq's bio capability based on CIA
 data.
 
 http://www.fas.org/irp/gulf/cia/960705/73919_01.htm
 
 Brad Haslett
 "CoraShen"
 
 
 --- Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net wrote:
 
  Bill,
  
  Scott Rider's assertions to the contrary, consider
  this.  At the time Iraq
  developed & was using their chemical & biological
  weapons, they were the 4th
  largest military force in the world.  Iraq is
 mostly
  desert & all of Iraq's
  neighbors are mostly desert.  Thus, any battle
  scenario that the Iraq
  military could reasonably foresee, not matter
  whether it was defensive or
  offensive would involve desert warfare.  These are
  smart people being driven
  by a madman for whom failure was not an option. 
  Literally billions of
  dollars in resources were available to these
  programs.  When your family is
  being held hostage & your own life is in danger of
  imprisonment &/or torture
  if you don't succeed, I would imagine most folks
  would get right down to
  business & solve the biological, chemical,
  shelflife, & other technical
  problems of getting chemical & biological weapons
 to
  work in a desert combat
  scenario.  No one doubts that the United States &
  Russia know how to build
  biological and chemical weapons.  The chemical
  weapons disposal program in
  the US Army involved warheads that were something
  like 30+ years old & they
  were treated with due respect.  Why would anyone
  doubt that the Iraq
  military couldn't build a similarly robust, long
  shelf life weapon?
  Sometimes, you have to give the devil his due.
  
  Roger Pihlaja
  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
  
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com
  To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
  Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another Fearless
  Prediction
  
  
   "If we find something, great, but
 professionally,
   I don't see how these weapons could exist. They
   defy the laws of industry, the laws of science
 and
   technology.They have no shelf life."
  
   Scott Ridder
   Former UN Inspector
   April 18, 2003
  
  
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Roger Pihlaja
   To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
   Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 3:34 PM
   Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Fearless
  Prediction
  
  
   Brad,
  
   Since your news story seems to have vindicated
 the
  prediction I made last
  summer regarding smuggling WMD's out of Iraq into
  Syria & Lebanon, let me
  make another fearless prediction.  By, the way
 Bill,
  you are mistaken
  regarding the shelf life & stability of chemical &
  biological weapons.  They
  are both plenty stable enough to be transported
 long
  distances over the
  desert.  If they weren't, they would never survive
  the heat & pressure of
  the explosive used to disperse them when the
 warhead
  goes off.  Anthrax, for
  example, is a bacteria that lives naturally in the
  soil by forming spores
  that are remarkably resistant to the environment. 
  So-called "weaponized"
  Anthrax is actually a mixture of spray dried
 Anthrax
  spores stuck to the
  surface of particles of an inert low density
  substrate such as finely ground
  cellulose.  The trick is to get the particle size
  distribution just right so
  the particles tend to get lofted into the air,
 float
  around on air currents
  for long distances, & eventually get inhaled by
  potential victims.  In the
  moist, warm conditions inside the respiratory
 tract,
  the Anthrax spores
  spring back to life & infect the victim.  Chemical
  weapons are usually of
  the so-called "binary" type wherein the warhead
  actually contains two
  compartments.  Each compartment contains a
 reactive
  precusor.  When the
  warhead is fired, the precursor chemicals are
 mixed
  together & chemically
  react to form the final toxin, such as a nerve
  agent.  Although the final
  toxin may have a short half life, each of the
  precursor chemicals is quite
  stable over long periods of time.
  
   I just heard a news story that the US State Dept
  has approved the sale of
  several hundred million dollars worth of
  "penetrating munitions" to Israel.
  Now what do you suppose Israel would want with a
  boatload of bunker busters?
  Unless Iran opens up its nuclear program to permit
  on-site inspections, I
  predict Israel will do a coordinated air assault
 to
  take out about a dozen
  key Iranian nuclear facilities all at the same
 time,
  in a scaled-up version
  of a similar operation they pulled on Iraq in
 1985(I
  think that was the
  year?).  I predict this will happen in less than a
  year from now.  The
  United States will chastise Israel in public for
  this action; but, in
 
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