[Rhodes22-list] Heaving To
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Wed Apr 6 09:48:48 EDT 2005
Bob,
You are right about the IMF and heaving to--It gives amazing
flexibility, and allows one to set an almost infinite number of
different configurations. I rarely set the Genny (I have the 175)
beyond the forward leeward stay, and I have never set it tight in that
configuration. This is my "too lazy to drop an anchor" set up. It is
very comfortable and predictable.
In windy conditions (20 kts. and up) I use much less sail for both the
Genny and the Main. I keep the centerboard up, and give more thought to
what direction the wind is going to push me. Again, there is so much
flexibility that one is hardly at the mercy of the wind and current.
I had read that the Pardys have a lot to say about heaving to in small
boats, but I didn't know where they said it all. Thanks for the title.
Bill Effros
Bob Weber wrote:
> Slim and Bill, First let me recommend a great book "Storm Tactics" by
> Lin and Larry Pardy. The whole book talks about Heaving To under
> differnt configurations. I have had about 3 chances to pratice
> differnt configurations. So far I have found the Genny setting to be
> Reefed to where the clew is right against the outter stay and tight.
> The main works best on the second reef (about a little less than half
> main) just off the leeward stay and the tiller about a foot from hard
> over. In 15 to 20 this gave me about 1 to 1.5 knot drift directly
> downwind with the nose at about 45 degrees to the wind. I was not
> completely satisfied with the result but I could duplicate it in a
> pinch and I would be better than being at the mercy of the storm. I
> will keep futzing around to get perfect results. I am inclined to
> think that the R-22 will ride better with a storm trysail for a main
> (You IMF people have an advantage here). I am also not sure of the
> centerboard setting. In my experiment I pulled it most of the way up
> to get that downwind drift I wanted. Hope it helps. If anyone has
> had better experience heeving to Jump in. Bob
>
>> From: Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com>
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heaving To
>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:47:17 -0600
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> When heaving to in the 30 kt. range, how deep are your sails reefed?
>> Also, do you have any estimate of how far you drift in an hour? Can you
>> slow the drift by dropping the board? Do you ever use a sea anchor?
>> Do you
>> do anything different when conditions vary from wind and current in
>> the same
>> direction to wind and current in different directions?
>>
>> > I have heaved-to (hoven-to?) under similar conditions, and it was a
>> > delightful piece of cake. I ate a casual meal, listened to my stereo,
>> > and could sail my boat exactly where I wanted it to be for hours on
>> > end.
>>
>> I'm a little confused here. Are you heaving to or are you sailing?
>> Can you
>> steer the boat in different directions while you're heaving to?
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On 3/14/05 9:47 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Peter,
>> >
>> > As mentioned previously, my boat is on a mooring when it's in the
>> > water--a 300 lb. mushroom anchor with properly sized ground tackle
>> > pulled and inspected once every 3 years--which is a harbor master
>> > condition for all boats in our harbor, so I know the anchor and tackle
>> > will hold, and everyone else's is going to hold, too.
>> >
>> > One night, out of curiosity, I decided to stay on board when I knew a
>> > good blow was coming through, just to see what it would be like.
>> It is
>> > not an experience I ever intend to repeat.
>> >
>> > The wind was in the 30 kt. range. The harbor is sheltered, so the
>> waves
>> > never get much beyond 1-2 feet, but the tidal range is 9 feet, so a
>> lot
>> > of water funnels in and out at a pretty good clip. Once the
>> decision is
>> > made to stay on board, its a very very bad idea to change your mind.
>> >
>> > Intellectually I knew the boat had been through these conditions many
>> > times in the past without incident--the only difference was that I was
>> > on board. No pop-top enclosure. Everything battened down as if I
>> were
>> > not on board.
>> >
>> > The boat creaked and strained all night long. If anything gave
>> way, it
>> > was going to give way with a "snap"--and I was quite sure I didn't
>> want
>> > to be on board if that happened. I didn't think I was going to
>> die, and
>> > I thought nothing would give way that night...probably. But I was
>> not a
>> > happy sailor; I got very little sleep; and I couldn't formulate any
>> > reasonable plan for what I might do if something happened. I just
>> hoped
>> > nothing would happen, and nothing did.
>> >
>> > If I had set anchors, I couldn't have checked them. (I surely would
>> have
>> > set multiple anchors.) That would have added to my anxiety. The boat
>> > has fouled the mushroom anchor in the past and lifted it right out of
>> > the bottom. I checked it for fouling before I went below.
>> >
>> > I have heaved-to (hoven-to?) under similar conditions, and it was a
>> > delightful piece of cake. I ate a casual meal, listened to my stereo,
>> > and could sail my boat exactly where I wanted it to be for hours on
>> > end. My pond is big enough (Long Island Sound) so that I can stay off
>> > lee shores for enough time to catch a little sleep.
>> >
>> > If I ever see conditions like those coming again I will surely get off
>> > my boat if I can. If I can't, I will find open water and heave to.
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> > Peter Thorn wrote:
>> >
>> >> Bill,
>> >>
>> >> What are the worst conditions you have experienced at anchor?
>> Have you ever
>> >> been caught out in 30+ winds and waves? If so, how did you
>> anchor? Just
>> >> curious.
>> >>
>> >> PT
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:04 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Bill,
>> >>>
>> >>> I've got the Fortress FX11, and I think it's a terrific anchor.
>> I also
>> >>> have the smallest Guardian anchor, which I store in a pouch,
>> >>> unassembled, and I've been very happy with that one also.
>> >>>
>> >>> I think those people know a lot about anchors, and I would be
>> inclined
>> >>> to follow their recommendations.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have several lines with differing amounts of chain on each, and
>> >>> several with no chain at all. I find I always go for the no
>> chain at
>> >>> all, because I've never had any trouble with it, and it's so much
>> easier
>> >>> to handle.
>> >>>
>> >>> The trick to anchoring (as with so many other things) is
>> practice. Try
>> >>> setting your anchor when it's not critical. See if you have enough
>> >>> navigation skill to be able to determine if your anchor is dragging.
>> >>>
>> >>> When it's really blowing you shouldn't be on our boats in the first
>> >>> place. Anchoring and praying is not the answer. If you are
>> trapped in
>> >>> a situation like this, and can't get to shore, head for open
>> water and
>> >>> heave-to. Practice heaving-to, too. Work with the elements, not
>> >>> against them.
>> >>>
>> >>> The guy who developed those anchors recommends setting 2 at 180
>> degrees
>> >>> apart and tying both off on the bow. Then neither one will have to
>> >>> reset if current or wind shifts. Differing lengths of chain
>> will not
>> >>> matter, longer scope can be set because the boat will rotate in a
>> much
>> >>> smaller arc relative to other boats.
>> >>>
>> >>> Avoid anchor overkill. That goes for the chain, too.
>> >>>
>> >>> Bill Effros
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> William E. Wickman wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> I just got my nifty Fortress FX7 anchor. The instructions that
>> came with
>> >>>> the anchor said to use a short length of anchor chain (6 feet of
>> chain if
>> >>>> anchoring in 25' of water or less, and add another 6 feet of
>> chain for
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >> each
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> additional 25' of depth). Their claim is that chain anchor
>> rodes lack
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >> the
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> shock absorbancy of nylon rope when the wind increases. This
>> advice runs
>> >>>> contrary to what I have been reading in the Rhodes FAQ that most
>> of you
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >> are
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> using around 20 feet of chain. So, does the Fortress require
>> less chain
>> >>>> because it is so light? What gives? I presume that these
>> anchor guys
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >> know
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> what they are talking about, but...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Also, since I have 20 feet of chain that I use with my gbi
>> anchor, what
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >> are
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> the dynamics of using shorter chain on a second anchor when
>> setting two
>> >>>> anchors? Does it really matter?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> B. Wickman
>> >>>>
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