[Rhodes22-list] Main Sail Speed

P&M Beals beals at rci.rutgers.edu
Mon Aug 22 09:50:08 EDT 2005


HI. 

It's not speed so much that I care about it's getting so I feel my vessel
responds well in different conditions.

I think I am making progress...I read your post, Bill, from 3/04 with Craig
Lowe's tip to help me locate it, on tacking, and tacking when sailing in
stronger winds...

I also hope to still connect with Jay Friedland for a Sept. sail on a good
strong windy day... without my 10 yr old daughter worried about too much
wind, too much heeling, and see if he has any pointers for us...

I believe a good part of my issue has to do with adjusting my sailing
technique to this boat...so I am not faulting the boat...or the IMF for that
matter...I grew up sailing a vessel that would come about on a dime...as the
saying goes...it sailed so close to the wind that other captains on other
sailboats could not believe it, and yes, it was fast, very fast, and it
could sail with only a breath of wind...a gaff rigged 36 footer...no motor.

but hey, that was that boat, and now I am enjoying our R-22... I am
interested  to just compare sailing with the traditional mainsail vs. the
IMF....that is why the fact that  I have an R-22 traditional mainsail
neighbor now at my anchorage, but he happens to be kind of a solitary soul,
and did not extend an offer to have me sail on his boat, is a little
disappointing...

The thought has come to me, that with my boat came a slightly worn
traditional mainsail...I could buy from Stan a mast for the traditional
main, keep the IMF...and do some sailing with the traditional mainsail...I'm
not convinced I should give up the IMF too quickly  here...

but buying a mast  probably is not a cheap item either...I am more
interested in getting the motor lift to help me get our 9.9  yamaha 4 stroke
easily out of the water...

Phyllis
Whisper
Keyport





> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:03:24 -0400
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Main Sail Speed
> 
> Phyllis,
> 
> I still don't know if boats sail measurably faster with traditional
> sails than IMF, but I've been working with my IMF to see how fast it
> will sail.  Generally I get most of the drive out of the head sail, and
> use the main sail primarily to keep the boat balanced.  Recently I've
> been sailing with a full main sail and storm sail sized jib to try to
> determine the maximum speed I can get out of main sail alone.  To date
> the best I have done is 4.2 kts sustained on main sail alone.
> 
> What is the best speed you can get out of just your main sail?  What is
> the best speed people with traditional main sails can get out of their
> main sails alone?
> 
> If the traditional people can get significantly higher boat speeds out
> of just their main sails, I think that would answer some of your questions.
> 
> Rummy, are you in this game?  Rummy has a battened IMF.  Does he get
> more boat speed out of his main sail than non-battened IMF people?
> 
> I do not set my 4.2 kts. as the gold standard, just as the starting
> point.  I would expect to be able to get 5 kts. under the right
> conditions, but I doubt that I could get anywhere near 6.25 under IMF
> main sail alone.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> P&M Beals wrote:
> 
>> Hello.  I was just going through email and saw this note...
>> sounds great.
>> 
>> May I ask do you have a traditional mainsail or the IMF?
>> 
>> I bought a 1986 last summer with IMF, and I just feel that this boat will
>> sail even better with a traditional mainsail...
>> 
>> I hope you  can give me a reply.
>> 
>> Phyllis Beals
>> Whisper
>> Keyport, NJ
>> 
>> By the way, where on the Hudson do you sail?
>> Haverstraw Bay?
>> 
>> I used to sail out of  Catskill Creek, Catskill on my father's gaff rigged
>> wooden sloop...this smaller fiberglass boat is a new experience for me, but
>> I am trying to hang in there with it.
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: fnuttersny at aol.com
>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:38:28 -0400
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] on ballanced boat
>>> 
>>> My 73 R22 is bare bones compared to most others on the list.  Two batteries
>>> located under the companion way and a 9.5 evinrud in the lazzarete  engine
>>> well pretty much makes up my boat.  I basically set her up as a very
>>> comfortable day sailer. In this configuration the boat is slightly stern
>>> heavy.  I recently replaced the centerboard with a custom composit airfoil
>>> shaped board with no leading and trailing(the board has the same width over
>>> its length) edge taper and 25# of bronze makingup the tip of the board -the
>>> board dropes quickly-. I have a new rolly-tasker main and a new 150% head
>>> sail
>>> both hanked on..  I have to say that the boat performs fantastic.  In 15 to
>>> 20
>>> mph wind and full sails there is almost no pressure on the tiller.  The boat
>>> seams to dig her nose slightly down and the stern comes up.  I can set the
>>> rudder with the tiller tamer and have held my coarse for up to 45 min.  As
>>> the
>>> wind picks up I usually stand on the rail up by the mast and hang on to  the
>>> sta
>>> ys and just look down as the boat sails herself falling of slightly then
>>> rounding up a little back an forth never more than a vew degrees either way.
>>> This is the first time I have sailed the boat with realy good sails and
>>> centerboard  etc. and the difference is everything I hoped it would be.  I
>>> believe this is a perfect boat for inland waters in my case the Hudson
>>> river.
>>> I had four adults on board recently in a steady 25 mph wind. We sat four in
>>> a
>>> row and the boat sailed at maybe 5deg.  We flew across the river against a
>>> flood tide still very little pressure on the rudder and very very close to
>>> the
>>> wind.  My passengers thought I was brilliant the way I made the boat go
>>> exactly were I wanted it to go and in quick time .  Thanks to a great design
>>> and a vew up grades.
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