[Rhodes22-list] Bill's Parts Catalog

[ed kroposki]

Mr. Effros:
	1.	Stan has been making boats for 48 years, I do not nor will
not attempt to tell him how make small sailboats.  I have been to Mystic
Seaport museum and the North Carolina sailing museum in Beaufort.  They only
begin to explain what he knows about sail boats.
	2.   As to me making a parts catalog, it is my opinion that you are
the professional writer, so it is best if you do it.  That is if you are
really a professional writer. This is your project, I sincerely expect you
to post the results to the Rhodes 22.org web site.
	3.	Are you practicing writing fiction and fantasy at the
expense of this list?  That is how I categorize the discussions of parts and
Chinese boom rooms. If you would, reread Michael's post.  Your comments
could create unrealistic expectations of what can be achieved resulting in
individual disillusion and alienation.  You keep volunteering others, but
you make little contribution with substance.

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
See: www.naut-res-guild.org/MIS/ncmm.html

     www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/maritime/default.htm


	




-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:22 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Parts Catalog

Ed,

At this point you clearly know more about this than anyone in the world 
except Stan.  We computer guys can help, but we can't work around if we 
don't understand the work.

There should be a parts catalog.  Can you help develop one?  Some of the 
parts are obvious -- Hull; Pop-Top; Cleat; etc.  Some are so obscure we 
won't even know how to name them (Spring Inside Thingy that Locks 
Pop-Top in Open Position).

 From a computer point of view, I suppose we should give a prefix number 
to every major item (Hull=001; Pop-Top=002; etc.)  Stan speaks of 
multiple molds required to fabricate an R22.  Each should have its own 
prefix number.  Then the parts attached to it should have sub-numbers, 
so a cleat attached to the hull might have a different number than a 
cleat attached to the cabin--even if it were the same cleat.

I haven't done this in a while, so the science may have leap frogged 
beyond what I know.  We have no shortage of computer guys on the list 
who can help.

Starting with just the Boom Room, what are the parts?  I assume each 
sub-assembly will get its own part number (the computer can figure out 
that a snap on the end of a strap, attached to a screen, sewed onto a 
Velcro frame cut out of the main boom room assembly; is the same snap as 
the snap on a pop-top enclosure where it attaches to the sloping portion 
of the bow--even though they have 2 different part numbers so the 
Bulgarian will know that the snap is used for one purpose in one 
sub-assembly, and another purpose in the other sub-assembly.  The 
computer will allocate the inventory properly, and reorder pieces before 
they are needed.)

Ed, returning to the central point, would you be able to spec all the 
parts needed to assemble just a boom room?  (English will be fine for 
this exercise.)  If we can find the Chinese to do the job, we will have 
to be able to provide all of this information.  We should develop our 
parts numbering system for the Boom Room so we can fool the Chinese into 
thinking we have even the slightest idea of what we are talking about.

Bill Effros


ed kroposki wrote:

>	You guys miss a very important point.  On line ordering requires
>that the recipient of your order understands what you want.  That takes
time
>and experience.  It takes understanding the language that you are speaking
>in.
>	All parts orders from GBI need to be written clearly in three
>languages at this time.  They need to be in English, Bulgarian, and
Spanish.
>Orders written in English only can languish until the maestro has time to
>decipher them and translate to Spanish and Bulgarian.  When translating to
>Spanish, a detailed engineering drawing and photo are required.  A digital
>picture enhances the probability of an accurate exchange of information.
>	These requirements can change Monday morning when Stan hires a new
>guy from Turkey or Vietnam.  Always keep in mind that many parts for a
>Rhodes 22 are unique, and that year of manufacture has relevance to part
>needed.  There is no master catalog of Rhodes 22 parts. Each boat is hand
>crafted, and boats vary depending on the availability of each part and
>Stan's penchant for innovation.  The computer experts are familiar with the
>phrase 'work around'.
>
>Ed K
>Greenville, SC, USA
>Addendum:  You can tell it is 2005 when you have 15 cell phone numbers for
>three people.
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:05 PM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Stan's lament - and decision
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>Great idea Stan.  Should help everyone.  Now, how about an on-line parts 
>catalog...
>Bob K
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>>From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>To: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>,"The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Stan's lament - and decision
>>Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:12:57 -0400
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>>Peter,
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>>granted they are not mind readers but hopefully they are e-mail readers
and
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>>I had thought we were pretty clear.
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>>up to this point we had not told anyone what to do - we just wanted to 
>>explain how the wind was shifting and wanted to see if any of the brain 
>>trust had some interesting thoughts and you in particular certainly did.
>>
>>in the final analysis it was clear we had to make a decision and we have 
>>come up with a simple one.
>>
>>We think the Rhodes-list is wonderful and we will do everything in our 
>>control to help it expand by recommending to everyone we sell a Rhodes to 
>>that they immediately join this great group.
>>
>>At the same time we decided that we will no longer direct Rhodes prospects

>>or Rhodes sellers (that approach us) to the List.  .Instead we will open a

>>second web site which will be the place to go for anyone who wants to buy 
>>or sell a Rhodes and is agreeable to the terms. This site will be the 
>>Rhodes Buying and Selling Exchange, strictly business and humorless.
>>With practically no 22 size competition left on the market, this will be a

>>highly specialized place to go for sellers and buyers.  And this will 
>>expand GB's selling of new Rhodes and Recycled Rhodes to now also include 
>>GB's help in the selling of Used Rhodes of any vintage.
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>>When anyone on the Rhodes-List wants to sell their boat they can take 
>>advantage of the "Rhodes Buyers and Sellers Exchange" or any other media 
>>they wish.  They just no longer will be having their List clogged up with
a
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>>flow of Rhodes wannabes from GBI's web site links or literature or sales 
>>force.
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>>We see it as a win/win solution that will be universally beneficial.
>>
>>stan/gbi/ec
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>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:37 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Stan's lament - and decision
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>>>Stan,
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>>>The members of the list are not mind-readers. (At least, I think there
are
>>>none).  If you want your friends, supporters and good customers on the 
>>>list
>>>to do something specific to help GBI react to tough times you must tell
us
>>>clearly how to help.   Many or most are quite willing.  Give us something
>>>simple and effective to do.
>>>
>>>What's the plan Stan?
>>>
>>>PT
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>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:42 PM
>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Stan's lament - and decision
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>>>     ----- Original Message -----      From: stan
>>>     To: stan
>>>     Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:29 AM
>>>     Subject: Stan's lament - and decision
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>>>         Dear Rhodies
>>>
>>>     Thanks to the handful who found time to contribute your thinking -
>>>some interesting thoughts to mull over.
>>>
>>>     We do not have trouble selling Rhodes - it is just that we are not
>>>selling them for our own account - not a problem when new boats were the
>>>mainstay but with recycled sales now the bill payers, even I can see the
>>>writing on the wall as a gowing % of our promtional outlays gets posted
>>>under the expense item: charity.    As not a perfect past experience
>>>example, owners would go to Triad to bypass GB for their trailers (if you
>>>read our two page report on developing the Rhodes Unit-matic trailer
>>>features  - radical in those days - you can appreciate our investment 
>>>here)
>>>and Triad sold direct and we switched builders.  When Triad asked us to 
>>>come
>>>back they agreed to send all inquiries to us and that has worked to the
>>>bigger advantage of both sides ever since.
>>>
>>>     As for the "List", we have decided to turn off the faucet, for now.
>>>We will work on what would be best for all those concerned, in the longer
>>>run.
>>>
>>>     stan for general boats
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