[Rhodes22-list] Boom Room

Sun Aug 28 10:56:55 EDT 2005

Sunday and catching up on the chatter - thanks for all the kind words (my 
internal spam program blocks the others).  Slim's Boom Room, name and all, 
are a ss creation that took the fitting alone from WI to CT to FL to MD 
contractors and I am still not completely happy with it.  Bring on the 
Chinese

ss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Slim" <salm at mn.rr.com>
To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room

> Bill,
>
> All I can tell you about its origin is that I bought it used from Lloyd 
> and
> I think it came with his boat.  Not sure.  No idea who made it but it's
> well-made and after four seasons with it, we've had to re-stitch one 
> little
> corner and replace one piece of PCV.  Both easy fixes.
>
> We've used it in winds up to about 15 with no problem.  Much more than 
> that
> and I think there might be trouble.
>
> While using it as a sun shade with most of the panels off, I can still 
> sail.
> Down wind only with the big 175 and no main.
>
> I'm off for a sail today.  I'll try to convince Mary Ann to take some time
> to set the thing up and I'll take a few shots of some of the details.
>
> Slim
>
> P.S.  I was up at 7:45 this morning!  I had no idea what the east sunlight
> looks like in our home.  I kinda like it.
>
>
> On 8/27/05 11:36 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow (again) Slim!
>>
>> The music world's loss seems to be the boating world's gain.
>>
>> Saturday morning.  Never expected to hear from you at this time.
>>
>> Your Boom Room looks great!  I want one!
>>
>> Did you guys actually make that thing?  Are your fingers as good with
>> the sewing machine as with the keyboard?
>>
>> I'm serious here.  If you can make some money on it, I've got no problem
>> having boom rooms made in Minnesota instead of China.  You are entitled
>> to your intellectual property in the same way Stan is entitled to his.
>> You know more about this than you've let on.  Heretofore I've only seen
>> the one picture with the 2 cuties distracting me from the technical 
>> detail.
>>
>> I think Stan's entire Boom Room fits into a rubber maid container, and
>> that one of his goals has always been to make the whole shooting match
>> as small as possible when not in use.  Maybe this is a bad goal.  Maybe
>> you've solved a lot of structural and cost issues with your PVC pipe,
>> and suggested a place to store them that is under-utilized in my boat,
>> and probably in most others as well.
>>
>> What do you think is your total cost of materials?  How many hours on
>> the sewing machine do you think it would take to turn the parts into a
>> Boom Room?  Do you see any problems in having the technically challenged
>> installing snaps in the right places if they've never done it before?
>>
>> I like the 2 piece nature of the Stan design.  My PTE has a Velcro patch
>> over the Pop Top for attaching the Boom Room, and I assume I would set
>> up the PTE earlier in the evening, and the Boom Room later, after
>> lounging in the open cockpit all evening.  The PTE is so well made, it
>> takes me no more time in the dead of night to set it up, than it does in
>> the day.  I would want the BR to be as well engineered.
>>
>> BTW, I take my folding chairs to the bow for lounging when everyone else
>> is asleep everywhere else.  Totally comfortable.  I think I noticed you
>> are using "Lil Suckers" too.  Put your cup or can in a Lil Sucker,
>> stretch out on the fore deck...what could be better?
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Alm wrote:
>>
>>> Here are some shots of mine.  Let's talk design.  First, it's made out
>>> of dacron sailcloth--not canvass.  You assemble the frame made of 1"
>>> PVC pipe and attach the roof which hangs from the boom and
>>> height-adjusted with the topping lift.  Then you attach whatever side
>>> panels you want.  You can choose anything from just the roof for a sun
>>> shade to fully enclosed with either screen windows or solid all the
>>> way around.  With the rear panel off, I can stand up on the laz and
>>> cook on the stern-mounted grill.  Otherwise it's standing head room in
>>> the cockpit.  The frame comes apart and stores in a bundle and a long
>>> bag like tent poles.  It's about five feet long and we keep it on the
>>> port shelf in the V berth.  The cloth is folded up and bagged about
>>> the size of a small beach ball and we keep it in the laz next to the
>>> pop top enclosure.  Yes, we have both and use both depending on the
>>> situation.  To clarify--we don't use both at the same time although we
>>> could.  There's no interference or connections between the two.
>>>
>>> A couple minor drawbacks to our boom room:  The forward side panels
>>> snap down along the outside of the rails maximizing the room inside.
>>> Unlike the pop top encl which snaps down on the side of the cabin.
>>> This means the aft lower shrouds are in the way.  So we cut slots in
>>> the roof to go around the shrouds and sewed in velcro flaps to close
>>> the slots.  It works but it's not fully bug proof and leaks a little
>>> water when it rains.  However, the water leaks onto the side decks and
>>> runs off.  The cockpit and cabin stay dry.  It's also difficult to get
>>> to the fore deck when it's fully assembled.  You have to duck and
>>> crawl along the side decks.  Good thing I'm slim.
>>>
>>> It takes 10 or 15 minutes to set up and about 5 to tear down.  I don't
>>> know why any manufacturer would need to have the boat to make this.
>>> Just duplicate the dimensions of the panels.  Just the snap placement
>>> is customized to your own boat, the same as we now do with the PTE.
>>>
>>> It might be better if the two WERE integrated.  You set up the pop top
>>> encl first and then add the boom room if needed.  It would attach to
>>> the PTE and would require less frame and less cloth than mine and
>>> there would be no interference with the shrouds.  And easier to get to
>>> the foredeck.  It would not extend all the way to the mast as mine
>>> does, rather it would just continue aft from the PTE.  But I'd stick
>>> to the PVC frame.  It's cheap and easy to fabricate replacement pieces
>>> if anything breaks.
>>>
>>> Slim
>>>
>>>
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