[Rhodes22-list] Bill's Parts Catalog

[Wally Buck]

Stan, Yes I stand corrected! :-)


>From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bill's Parts Catalog
>Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:04:07 -0400
>
>Wallly, it was never a question of  "raising profits" - it was whether it 
>is time to consider  "starting profits".
>
>stan/gbi
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 12:15 PM
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Bill's Parts Catalog
>
>
>>Ha ha Ed, too funny! I agree this may be nothing but fantasy (folly?) talk 
>>but not for the reasons MJM mentioned. As others have pointed out for most 
>>of the products we are discussing you don't need the boat. As I said in 
>>earlier posts there are many challenges and it will be interesting to see 
>>what our Eastern travelers find out. I like you am sceptical.
>>
>>Also no one is telling Stan how to build boats. If you have been paying 
>>attention this thread started as a direct result of Stans suggestion of 
>>raising GBs profits. :-)
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill's Parts Catalog
>>>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:06:13 -0400
>>>
>>>Mr. Effros:
>>>1. Stan has been making boats for 48 years, I do not nor will
>>>not attempt to tell him how make small sailboats.  I have been to Mystic
>>>Seaport museum and the North Carolina sailing museum in Beaufort.  They 
>>>only
>>>begin to explain what he knows about sail boats.
>>>2.   As to me making a parts catalog, it is my opinion that you are
>>>the professional writer, so it is best if you do it.  That is if you are
>>>really a professional writer. This is your project, I sincerely expect 
>>>you
>>>to post the results to the Rhodes 22.org web site.
>>>3. Are you practicing writing fiction and fantasy at the
>>>expense of this list?  That is how I categorize the discussions of parts 
>>>and
>>>Chinese boom rooms. If you would, reread Michael's post.  Your comments
>>>could create unrealistic expectations of what can be achieved resulting 
>>>in
>>>individual disillusion and alienation.  You keep volunteering others, but
>>>you make little contribution with substance.
>>>
>>>Ed K
>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>>>See: www.naut-res-guild.org/MIS/ncmm.html
>>>
>>>      www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/maritime/default.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>>>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:22 AM
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Parts Catalog
>>>
>>>Ed,
>>>
>>>At this point you clearly know more about this than anyone in the world
>>>except Stan.  We computer guys can help, but we can't work around if we
>>>don't understand the work.
>>>
>>>There should be a parts catalog.  Can you help develop one?  Some of the
>>>parts are obvious -- Hull; Pop-Top; Cleat; etc.  Some are so obscure we
>>>won't even know how to name them (Spring Inside Thingy that Locks
>>>Pop-Top in Open Position).
>>>
>>>  From a computer point of view, I suppose we should give a prefix number
>>>to every major item (Hull=001; Pop-Top=002; etc.)  Stan speaks of
>>>multiple molds required to fabricate an R22.  Each should have its own
>>>prefix number.  Then the parts attached to it should have sub-numbers,
>>>so a cleat attached to the hull might have a different number than a
>>>cleat attached to the cabin--even if it were the same cleat.
>>>
>>>I haven't done this in a while, so the science may have leap frogged
>>>beyond what I know.  We have no shortage of computer guys on the list
>>>who can help.
>>>
>>>Starting with just the Boom Room, what are the parts?  I assume each
>>>sub-assembly will get its own part number (the computer can figure out
>>>that a snap on the end of a strap, attached to a screen, sewed onto a
>>>Velcro frame cut out of the main boom room assembly; is the same snap as
>>>the snap on a pop-top enclosure where it attaches to the sloping portion
>>>of the bow--even though they have 2 different part numbers so the
>>>Bulgarian will know that the snap is used for one purpose in one
>>>sub-assembly, and another purpose in the other sub-assembly.  The
>>>computer will allocate the inventory properly, and reorder pieces before
>>>they are needed.)
>>>
>>>Ed, returning to the central point, would you be able to spec all the
>>>parts needed to assemble just a boom room?  (English will be fine for
>>>this exercise.)  If we can find the Chinese to do the job, we will have
>>>to be able to provide all of this information.  We should develop our
>>>parts numbering system for the Boom Room so we can fool the Chinese into
>>>thinking we have even the slightest idea of what we are talking about.
>>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>ed kroposki wrote:
>>>
>>> > You guys miss a very important point.  On line ordering requires
>>> >that the recipient of your order understands what you want.  That takes
>>>time
>>> >and experience.  It takes understanding the language that you are
>>>speaking
>>> >in.
>>> > All parts orders from GBI need to be written clearly in three
>>> >languages at this time.  They need to be in English, Bulgarian, and
>>>Spanish.
>>> >Orders written in English only can languish until the maestro has time 
>>> >to
>>> >decipher them and translate to Spanish and Bulgarian.  When translating
>>>to
>>> >Spanish, a detailed engineering drawing and photo are required.  A
>>>digital
>>> >picture enhances the probability of an accurate exchange of 
>>>information.
>>> > These requirements can change Monday morning when Stan hires a new
>>> >guy from Turkey or Vietnam.  Always keep in mind that many parts for a
>>> >Rhodes 22 are unique, and that year of manufacture has relevance to 
>>>part
>>> >needed.  There is no master catalog of Rhodes 22 parts. Each boat is 
>>> >hand
>>> >crafted, and boats vary depending on the availability of each part and
>>> >Stan's penchant for innovation.  The computer experts are familiar with
>>>the
>>> >phrase 'work around'.
>>> >
>>> >Ed K
>>> >Greenville, SC, USA
>>> >Addendum:  You can tell it is 2005 when you have 15 cell phone numbers
>>>for
>>> >three people.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>>> >Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:05 PM
>>> >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Stan's lament - and decision
>>> >
>>> >Great idea Stan.  Should help everyone.  Now, how about an on-line 
>>>parts
>>> >catalog...
>>> >Bob K
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
>>> >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >>To: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>,"The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>> >><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Stan's lament - and decision
>>> >>Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:12:57 -0400
>>> >>
>>> >>Peter,
>>> >>
>>> >>granted they are not mind readers but hopefully they are e-mail 
>>>readers
>>>and
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>I had thought we were pretty clear.
>>> >>
>>> >>up to this point we had not told anyone what to do - we just wanted to
>>> >>explain how the wind was shifting and wanted to see if any of the 
>>>brain
>>> >>trust had some interesting thoughts and you in particular certainly 
>>> >>did.
>>> >>
>>> >>in the final analysis it was clear we had to make a decision and we 
>>> >>have
>>> >>come up with a simple one.
>>> >>
>>> >>We think the Rhodes-list is wonderful and we will do everything in our
>>> >>control to help it expand by recommending to everyone we sell a Rhodes
>>>to
>>> >>that they immediately join this great group.
>>> >>
>>> >>At the same time we decided that we will no longer direct Rhodes
>>>prospects
>>>
>>> >>or Rhodes sellers (that approach us) to the List.  .Instead we will 
>>> >>open
>>>a
>>>
>>> >>second web site which will be the place to go for anyone who wants to
>>>buy
>>> >>or sell a Rhodes and is agreeable to the terms. This site will be the
>>> >>Rhodes Buying and Selling Exchange, strictly business and humorless.
>>> >>With practically no 22 size competition left on the market, this will 
>>> >>be
>>>a
>>>
>>> >>highly specialized place to go for sellers and buyers.  And this will
>>> >>expand GB's selling of new Rhodes and Recycled Rhodes to now also
>>>include
>>> >>GB's help in the selling of Used Rhodes of any vintage.
>>> >>
>>> >>When anyone on the Rhodes-List wants to sell their boat they can take
>>> >>advantage of the "Rhodes Buyers and Sellers Exchange" or any other 
>>> >>media
>>> >>they wish.  They just no longer will be having their List clogged up
>>>with
>>>a
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>flow of Rhodes wannabes from GBI's web site links or literature or 
>>> >>sales
>>> >>force.
>>> >>
>>> >>We see it as a win/win solution that will be universally beneficial.
>>> >>
>>> >>stan/gbi/ec
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
>>> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >>Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:37 AM
>>> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Stan's lament - and decision
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>Stan,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>The members of the list are not mind-readers. (At least, I think 
>>>there
>>>are
>>> >>>none).  If you want your friends, supporters and good customers on 
>>>the
>>> >>>list
>>> >>>to do something specific to help GBI react to tough times you must 
>>> >>>tell
>>>us
>>> >>>clearly how to help.   Many or most are quite willing.  Give us
>>>something
>>> >>>simple and effective to do.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>What's the plan Stan?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>PT
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>
>>> >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >>>Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:42 PM
>>> >>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Stan's lament - and decision
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>     ----- Original Message -----      From: stan
>>> >>>     To: stan
>>> >>>     Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:29 AM
>>> >>>     Subject: Stan's lament - and decision
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>         Dear Rhodies
>>> >>>
>>> >>>     Thanks to the handful who found time to contribute your >>> 
>>>thinking -
>>> >>>some interesting thoughts to mull over.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>     We do not have trouble selling Rhodes - it is just that we are 
>>> >>> not
>>> >>>selling them for our own account - not a problem when new boats were
>>>the
>>> >>>mainstay but with recycled sales now the bill payers, even I can see
>>>the
>>> >>>writing on the wall as a gowing % of our promtional outlays gets 
>>> >>>posted
>>> >>>under the expense item: charity.    As not a perfect past experience
>>> >>>example, owners would go to Triad to bypass GB for their trailers (if
>>>you
>>> >>>read our two page report on developing the Rhodes Unit-matic trailer
>>> >>>features  - radical in those days - you can appreciate our investment
>>> >>>here)
>>> >>>and Triad sold direct and we switched builders.  When Triad asked us 
>>> >>>to
>>> >>>come
>>> >>>back they agreed to send all inquiries to us and that has worked to 
>>> >>>the
>>> >>>bigger advantage of both sides ever since.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>     As for the "List", we have decided to turn off the faucet, for
>>>now.
>>> >>>We will work on what would be best for all those concerned, in the
>>>longer
>>> >>>run.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>     stan for general boats
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