[Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
Slim
salm at mn.rr.com
Tue Dec 20 12:48:32 EST 2005
$250 is too high. Lower the price and we'd get more people involved.
Slim
On 12/20/05 9:54 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Before we spend a whole lot of time cutting up the pie, let's see if
> we've got a pie.
>
> If people want a boat available in Florida at $250 a week, we can put
> one there. If we can rent it out for 12 weeks a year, we can keep it
> there. Sweat equity is acceptable payment. The Syndicate only looks to
> break even; not make a profit. We are open to people moving the boat
> from its Florida base, provided it is returned at some point.
>
> How many people on this list are prepared to commit to using the boat in
> the future? For how long? When?
>
> Your response to these questions will determine whether or not there is
> any point to working out the rest of the details.
>
> Bill Effros
>
> michael meltzer wrote:
>
>> bill a quick subjection, you are going to need some
>> form an corperation or an LLC for this, it procection
>> for the share owners so no one can come after them for
>> more than thier investment. we should have a lawwer on
>> the list(or do we have to sign steve back up) that can
>> be voliltered for it :-), FWIT, a benifit to the share
>> owners is they can "use" any unrented time up to
>> double thier share as advaiable, please play attention
>> to "exit" clause now, in clear full/terms, including
>> unable to conatct. What happens is some is unhappy,
>> losses intrest, dies, heath etc, or worse yet get
>> pissed at the other members...... get is cleaned up
>> upfrount instead with the "last man standing" years
>> from now. Could be a "downer" to debate on the list so
>> use some tack. -mjm
>>
>> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> I understood what you meant, I just wanted everyone
>>> else to understand
>>> that while I think I can nail down the logistics for
>>> a single home port,
>>> I can't recover the boat after one-way trips.
>>>
>>> If a group of people wants to take the boat to the
>>> Bahamas, have another
>>> group sail it around there for a while, and have a
>>> third group return
>>> it--why not? As long as it gets back to home base
>>> somehow.
>>>
>>> If the boat is useful for Stan and Elton, why not?
>>>
>>> If someone wants to take the boat to distant waters
>>> because a group
>>> wants to sail somewhere, why not? How about Maine
>>> in the Summer? I
>>> know how to store it in Greenwich for a lot less
>>> than I know how to
>>> store it in Miami.
>>>
>>> Everyone pitches in with their knowledge. Some
>>> people can provide some
>>> things, some can provide others. We'll need all
>>> kinds of help to keep
>>> it rolling. As long as people want to keep using
>>> it, and are willing to
>>> pay a modest use fee, we can afford to keep it. The
>>> membership of the
>>> Syndicate can keep changing. If it gets to be a
>>> pain, and no one is
>>> willing to do what has to be done, we sell it.
>>>
>>> I think it could be a lot of fun, and good for
>>> everyone. It appears
>>> that there are enough people who agree with me so
>>> that we can try it out.
>>>
>>> You've got a lot of experience in outfitting boats
>>> for more than day
>>> sailing, and we'll be listening to all of your
>>> ideas. Since we all own
>>> the boat, hopefully everyone will leave the boat a
>>> little better than it
>>> was when he or she got it.
>>>
>>> We'll see.
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Bill,
>>>> Getting the boat to Miami would be
>>>>
>>>>
>>> no problem, I just
>>>
>>>
>>>> thought that some of the guys might want to sail
>>>>
>>>>
>>> the Bahamas without making
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2 crossings. No problem!
>>>> Chris G
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:53 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> You're in. You've got to get it back to Miami.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> How long would such a
>>>
>>>
>>>>> trip take? What's the insurance deal? The Conch
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Cruisers Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>>> mentioned seem to be a group of MacGregor owners
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> taking long cruises
>>>
>>>
>>>>> together. If you set something up for the Summer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> of 07 you might get a
>>>
>>>
>>>>> group of people interested in taking their own
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> boats with you on a
>>>
>>>
>>>>> cruise they would never take by themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey yoos guys,
>>>>>> Did somebody say
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Syndicate? Back in Napoli we
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> had a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> couple of syndicates 'till Guido went up da
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> river. So you can count me
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> in!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I will commit to the rental time even if I can't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> use it till next summer.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> It would be my intention to sail the boat over to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> the Bahamas for a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> couple
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> of weeks or so and I would certainly be willing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> to put some sweat equity
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> the boat to prepare it for the trip in the summer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> of 2007. If anybody
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> wanted to pick up the boat at the end of my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> "charter" in the Bahamas that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> might work out well also.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris G
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>> To: "R22 List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:12 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there is, or is there ain't a real interest
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> in putting together a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Florida Syndicate for Brad's boat?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The idea is to fix up a boat so it's both
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> sailable and saleable, and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> leave it in Miami for use by Syndicate members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> The boat would rent out
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> for roughly $250 a week--syndicate members get
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> first choice on dates,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> others could rent on an as-available basis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> People who want to see or
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> try a Rhodes-22 could be directed to the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> Syndicate boat, and could rent
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> it if available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If not enough people continue to rent the boat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> over the years, and it
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> doesn't cover its nut, or just becomes a pain,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> the Syndicate sells the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> boat and splits the profit. Syndicate members
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> have first shot at buying
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> the boat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad already has $1250 in this deal. I said I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> was good for $500 worth
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> of rental. Is anyone else seriously interested?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can become a syndicate member by committing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> to a minimum of 1 week
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> of rental time, paid in advance..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad is slightly over committed. He's in the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> air right now, trying to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> earn enough money to finance all the adventures
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> he gets himself into. I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> told him I would try to sort out the Syndicate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> deal for him before he
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> returns from his current trip. If too few
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> people are interested, I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> suspect the boat will be parted out. Brad wants
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> the IMF. The hull is
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> probably worth more to Stan than to anyone else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> Bud did legwork, he's
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> entitled to first shot at remaining parts. If
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> anyone else has an
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> interest in parts, please post the interest to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> the list, along with how
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> much the parts are worth to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's time to either fish or cut bait. Please
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> let us all know, on-list,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> where you stand so we can sort this out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are Bud's boat Pictures:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> === message truncated ===
>>
>>
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