[Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
Slim
salm at mn.rr.com
Tue Dec 20 13:43:00 EST 2005
And where does the $3000 a year figure come from? I would think that
renting a slip is far too extravagant. The boat could be dry sailed and
stored on the trailer for much less.
Slim
On 12/20/05 1:38 PM, "Slim" <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> Just brain-storming a bit here--how about a high-season/off-season sliding
> scale?
> Slim
>
> On 12/20/05 1:06 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
>> Slim,
>>
>> Can't do it. Won't work.
>>
>> If you would like to try to organize a syndicate around a lower rental
>> price, I'm in!
>>
>> The problem is that everyone wants the boat at the same time--revolving
>> around school vacations. Then there are a few people who will take the
>> boat in other times, but they won't want to do this every year.
>>
>> If you can rent the boat 12 weeks a year/every year you're lucky. But
>> if you take in less than $3000 a year you won't be able to cover your nut.
>>
>> Remember, we are working on the premise that the boat has no cost, and
>> that whoever has to do all the work of holding things together and
>> paying the bills is unpaid.
>>
>> My guess is that we can't find a solid $3000 a year worth of rentals no
>> matter how we price the boat.
>>
>> How many dollars a year would you commit to? How many weeks would you
>> want the boat for that commitment? When would those weeks be?
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> Slim wrote:
>>
>>> $250 is too high. Lower the price and we'd get more people involved.
>>> Slim
>>>
>>> On 12/20/05 9:54 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Before we spend a whole lot of time cutting up the pie, let's see if
>>>> we've got a pie.
>>>>
>>>> If people want a boat available in Florida at $250 a week, we can put
>>>> one there. If we can rent it out for 12 weeks a year, we can keep it
>>>> there. Sweat equity is acceptable payment. The Syndicate only looks to
>>>> break even; not make a profit. We are open to people moving the boat
>>>> from its Florida base, provided it is returned at some point.
>>>>
>>>> How many people on this list are prepared to commit to using the boat in
>>>> the future? For how long? When?
>>>>
>>>> Your response to these questions will determine whether or not there is
>>>> any point to working out the rest of the details.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>> michael meltzer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> bill a quick subjection, you are going to need some
>>>>> form an corperation or an LLC for this, it procection
>>>>> for the share owners so no one can come after them for
>>>>> more than thier investment. we should have a lawwer on
>>>>> the list(or do we have to sign steve back up) that can
>>>>> be voliltered for it :-), FWIT, a benifit to the share
>>>>> owners is they can "use" any unrented time up to
>>>>> double thier share as advaiable, please play attention
>>>>> to "exit" clause now, in clear full/terms, including
>>>>> unable to conatct. What happens is some is unhappy,
>>>>> losses intrest, dies, heath etc, or worse yet get
>>>>> pissed at the other members...... get is cleaned up
>>>>> upfrount instead with the "last man standing" years
>>>>> from now. Could be a "downer" to debate on the list so
>>>>> use some tack. -mjm
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understood what you meant, I just wanted everyone
>>>>>> else to understand
>>>>>> that while I think I can nail down the logistics for
>>>>>> a single home port,
>>>>>> I can't recover the boat after one-way trips.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a group of people wants to take the boat to the
>>>>>> Bahamas, have another
>>>>>> group sail it around there for a while, and have a
>>>>>> third group return
>>>>>> it--why not? As long as it gets back to home base
>>>>>> somehow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the boat is useful for Stan and Elton, why not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone wants to take the boat to distant waters
>>>>>> because a group
>>>>>> wants to sail somewhere, why not? How about Maine
>>>>>> in the Summer? I
>>>>>> know how to store it in Greenwich for a lot less
>>>>>> than I know how to
>>>>>> store it in Miami.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone pitches in with their knowledge. Some
>>>>>> people can provide some
>>>>>> things, some can provide others. We'll need all
>>>>>> kinds of help to keep
>>>>>> it rolling. As long as people want to keep using
>>>>>> it, and are willing to
>>>>>> pay a modest use fee, we can afford to keep it. The
>>>>>> membership of the
>>>>>> Syndicate can keep changing. If it gets to be a
>>>>>> pain, and no one is
>>>>>> willing to do what has to be done, we sell it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it could be a lot of fun, and good for
>>>>>> everyone. It appears
>>>>>> that there are enough people who agree with me so
>>>>>> that we can try it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've got a lot of experience in outfitting boats
>>>>>> for more than day
>>>>>> sailing, and we'll be listening to all of your
>>>>>> ideas. Since we all own
>>>>>> the boat, hopefully everyone will leave the boat a
>>>>>> little better than it
>>>>>> was when he or she got it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Bill,
>>>>>>> Getting the boat to Miami would be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> no problem, I just
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thought that some of the guys might want to sail
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the Bahamas without making
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2 crossings. No problem!
>>>>>>> Chris G
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:53 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Chris,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're in. You've got to get it back to Miami.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> How long would such a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> trip take? What's the insurance deal? The Conch
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cruisers Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mentioned seem to be a group of MacGregor owners
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> taking long cruises
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> together. If you set something up for the Summer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of 07 you might get a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> group of people interested in taking their own
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> boats with you on a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cruise they would never take by themselves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey yoos guys,
>>>>>>>>> Did somebody say
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Syndicate? Back in Napoli we
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> had a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> couple of syndicates 'till Guido went up da
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> river. So you can count me
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will commit to the rental time even if I can't
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> use it till next summer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would be my intention to sail the boat over to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the Bahamas for a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of weeks or so and I would certainly be willing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to put some sweat equity
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the boat to prepare it for the trip in the summer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of 2007. If anybody
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wanted to pick up the boat at the end of my
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "charter" in the Bahamas that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> might work out well also.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris G
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "R22 List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:12 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is there is, or is there ain't a real interest
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> in putting together a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Florida Syndicate for Brad's boat?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The idea is to fix up a boat so it's both
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> sailable and saleable, and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> leave it in Miami for use by Syndicate members.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The boat would rent out
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for roughly $250 a week--syndicate members get
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> first choice on dates,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> others could rent on an as-available basis.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> People who want to see or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> try a Rhodes-22 could be directed to the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Syndicate boat, and could rent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it if available.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If not enough people continue to rent the boat
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> over the years, and it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't cover its nut, or just becomes a pain,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the Syndicate sells the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> boat and splits the profit. Syndicate members
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> have first shot at buying
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the boat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brad already has $1250 in this deal. I said I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> was good for $500 worth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of rental. Is anyone else seriously interested?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can become a syndicate member by committing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to a minimum of 1 week
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of rental time, paid in advance..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brad is slightly over committed. He's in the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> air right now, trying to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> earn enough money to finance all the adventures
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> he gets himself into. I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> told him I would try to sort out the Syndicate
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> deal for him before he
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> returns from his current trip. If too few
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> people are interested, I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> suspect the boat will be parted out. Brad wants
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the IMF. The hull is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> probably worth more to Stan than to anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bud did legwork, he's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> entitled to first shot at remaining parts. If
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> anyone else has an
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> interest in parts, please post the interest to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the list, along with how
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> much the parts are worth to you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's time to either fish or cut bait. Please
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> let us all know, on-list,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> where you stand so we can sort this out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here are Bud's boat Pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> === message truncated ===
>>>>>
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