[Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
Slim
salm at mn.rr.com
Tue Dec 20 14:15:04 EST 2005
Bills,
I'm sure you're both right. But at this point I'm afraid all I can commit
to is having this discussion. However, I've been racking up the
frequent-flyer miles lately so it's not out of the question. You can put me
down for a definite Maybe.
Slim
On 12/20/05 1:49 PM, "William E. Wickman" <wewickman at duke-energy.com> wrote:
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> $250 per week is too high? Have you seen how much charter boats cost? The
> cheapest that I have found out of Miami is around $2,400 per week. Granted
> it was for a 40 foot Hunter, but there are actually very few small boats
> available to charter in Florida. Maybe I am not mainstream, but I would
> love to find a reasonably priced small shoal draft boat to charter in
> Florida. Even at $500 per week, it would be much less than a hotel
> room....and with a better view!
>
> Bill W.
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> 12/20/2005 01:48 Subject
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> $250 is too high. Lower the price and we'd get more people involved.
> Slim
>
> On 12/20/05 9:54 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
>> Before we spend a whole lot of time cutting up the pie, let's see if
>> we've got a pie.
>>
>> If people want a boat available in Florida at $250 a week, we can put
>> one there. If we can rent it out for 12 weeks a year, we can keep it
>> there. Sweat equity is acceptable payment. The Syndicate only looks to
>> break even; not make a profit. We are open to people moving the boat
>> from its Florida base, provided it is returned at some point.
>>
>> How many people on this list are prepared to commit to using the boat in
>> the future? For how long? When?
>>
>> Your response to these questions will determine whether or not there is
>> any point to working out the rest of the details.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> michael meltzer wrote:
>>
>>> bill a quick subjection, you are going to need some
>>> form an corperation or an LLC for this, it procection
>>> for the share owners so no one can come after them for
>>> more than thier investment. we should have a lawwer on
>>> the list(or do we have to sign steve back up) that can
>>> be voliltered for it :-), FWIT, a benifit to the share
>>> owners is they can "use" any unrented time up to
>>> double thier share as advaiable, please play attention
>>> to "exit" clause now, in clear full/terms, including
>>> unable to conatct. What happens is some is unhappy,
>>> losses intrest, dies, heath etc, or worse yet get
>>> pissed at the other members...... get is cleaned up
>>> upfrount instead with the "last man standing" years
>>> from now. Could be a "downer" to debate on the list so
>>> use some tack. -mjm
>>>
>>> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Chris,
>>>>
>>>> I understood what you meant, I just wanted everyone
>>>> else to understand
>>>> that while I think I can nail down the logistics for
>>>> a single home port,
>>>> I can't recover the boat after one-way trips.
>>>>
>>>> If a group of people wants to take the boat to the
>>>> Bahamas, have another
>>>> group sail it around there for a while, and have a
>>>> third group return
>>>> it--why not? As long as it gets back to home base
>>>> somehow.
>>>>
>>>> If the boat is useful for Stan and Elton, why not?
>>>>
>>>> If someone wants to take the boat to distant waters
>>>> because a group
>>>> wants to sail somewhere, why not? How about Maine
>>>> in the Summer? I
>>>> know how to store it in Greenwich for a lot less
>>>> than I know how to
>>>> store it in Miami.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone pitches in with their knowledge. Some
>>>> people can provide some
>>>> things, some can provide others. We'll need all
>>>> kinds of help to keep
>>>> it rolling. As long as people want to keep using
>>>> it, and are willing to
>>>> pay a modest use fee, we can afford to keep it. The
>>>> membership of the
>>>> Syndicate can keep changing. If it gets to be a
>>>> pain, and no one is
>>>> willing to do what has to be done, we sell it.
>>>>
>>>> I think it could be a lot of fun, and good for
>>>> everyone. It appears
>>>> that there are enough people who agree with me so
>>>> that we can try it out.
>>>>
>>>> You've got a lot of experience in outfitting boats
>>>> for more than day
>>>> sailing, and we'll be listening to all of your
>>>> ideas. Since we all own
>>>> the boat, hopefully everyone will leave the boat a
>>>> little better than it
>>>> was when he or she got it.
>>>>
>>>> We'll see.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Bill,
>>>>> Getting the boat to Miami would be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> no problem, I just
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> thought that some of the guys might want to sail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the Bahamas without making
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2 crossings. No problem!
>>>>> Chris G
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:53 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're in. You've got to get it back to Miami.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> How long would such a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> trip take? What's the insurance deal? The Conch
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Cruisers Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> mentioned seem to be a group of MacGregor owners
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> taking long cruises
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> together. If you set something up for the Summer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> of 07 you might get a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> group of people interested in taking their own
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> boats with you on a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> cruise they would never take by themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey yoos guys,
>>>>>>> Did somebody say
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> Syndicate? Back in Napoli we
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> had a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> couple of syndicates 'till Guido went up da
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> river. So you can count me
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> in!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will commit to the rental time even if I can't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> use it till next summer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be my intention to sail the boat over to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> the Bahamas for a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> couple
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> of weeks or so and I would certainly be willing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> to put some sweat equity
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the boat to prepare it for the trip in the summer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> of 2007. If anybody
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> wanted to pick up the boat at the end of my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> "charter" in the Bahamas that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> might work out well also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris G
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>> To: "R22 List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:12 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there is, or is there ain't a real interest
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> in putting together a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Florida Syndicate for Brad's boat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The idea is to fix up a boat so it's both
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> sailable and saleable, and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> leave it in Miami for use by Syndicate members.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> The boat would rent out
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> for roughly $250 a week--syndicate members get
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> first choice on dates,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> others could rent on an as-available basis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> People who want to see or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> try a Rhodes-22 could be directed to the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> Syndicate boat, and could rent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> it if available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If not enough people continue to rent the boat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> over the years, and it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> doesn't cover its nut, or just becomes a pain,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> the Syndicate sells the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> boat and splits the profit. Syndicate members
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> have first shot at buying
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> the boat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad already has $1250 in this deal. I said I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> was good for $500 worth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> of rental. Is anyone else seriously interested?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can become a syndicate member by committing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> to a minimum of 1 week
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> of rental time, paid in advance..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad is slightly over committed. He's in the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> air right now, trying to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> earn enough money to finance all the adventures
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> he gets himself into. I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> told him I would try to sort out the Syndicate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> deal for him before he
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> returns from his current trip. If too few
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> people are interested, I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> suspect the boat will be parted out. Brad wants
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> the IMF. The hull is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> probably worth more to Stan than to anyone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> Bud did legwork, he's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> entitled to first shot at remaining parts. If
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> anyone else has an
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> interest in parts, please post the interest to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> the list, along with how
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> much the parts are worth to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's time to either fish or cut bait. Please
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> let us all know, on-list,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> where you stand so we can sort this out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are Bud's boat Pictures:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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