[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Mr. Effros

[ed kroposki]

Bill:
	Offer your opinions, but cut the inaccurate personal attacks.  Roger
did not " minimize ... the dangers of the spread of nuclear technology".  
	You would do good to leave your plush carpeted office in NYC and
take a trip to the hinterlands.  Go visit Wally, and let him take you to
Oakridge's visitor center or come down here and visit Rummy.  He and you
could visit the Oconee Nuclear Station's visitor center not far from his
house.  Either would be an enlightening experience to both of you.  You just
need to get out of your box for a day or two.  Then you would better
understand what Roger is saying. I am not saying you would agree with him,
but you would better comprehend him and speak to him civilly.

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
Addendum:  see attachment

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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Nuclear Energy Replies

Rob,

Roger neglected to mention that North Korea didn't have nuclear weapons 
when Carter and Clinton were in office.  As part of the agreement, they 
had the right to develop nuclear power plants (because unlike Iran, no 
one could say they are awash in oil.)  Under the guise of "peaceful use 
of nuclear energy" they developed bomb materials using a different 
technique than the one prohibited under the terms of their agreements 
with us.

When our brilliant current President  ("The Great Negotiator" we will 
call him) called North Korea part of an "axis of evil" in January 2002, 
the North Korean government accused Washington of targeting North Korea 
for a "preemptive nuclear attack." In September 2002, the Bush 
administration released a report which emphasized pre-emptively 
attacking countries developing weapons of mass destruction, explicitly 
mentioning North Korea.

The Great Negotiator, after branding Iraq, North Korea, and Iran as the 
"Axis of Evil", elected to first invade Iraq to find the Weapons of Mass 
Destruction the world knew it didn't have.  The message was clear--Bush 
won't invade if you actually have weapons of mass destruction, so North 
Korea immediately set about proving that it actually had Nuclear 
Weapons.  They didn't have them before Bush.  They may not have them 
now.  But they told us they've now got them.  Just like Iraq, we had 
weapons inspectors as part of the treaty, and we knew they didn't have 
nuclear weapons until "The Great Negotiator" stepped in to save the day.

The same is true of Iran.  If they've got them now, they didn't have 
them when Carter and Clinton were in office.

Madame Curie (who died of radiation poisoning) would be spinning in her 
grave if she knew that people like , while at virtually the same time 
blaming others for the spread of nuclear weapons.

Bill Effros

PS -- Alfred Nobel had no problem with the spread of dangerous 
technology--he invented dynamite, and became rich manufacturing it, and 
other high explosives, all over the world.

Roger Pihlaja wrote:

>Rob,
>
>I'm sorry, since it was only a decade ago, I assumed everyone knew the
>story.  Then President Bill Clinton sent ex-President Jimmy Carter to North
>Korea to negotiate this deal.
>
>Carter & Clinton negotiated a treaty which gave the North Koreans massive
US
>aid including oil and 2 nuclear power plants in exchange for the North
>Koreans pledge of "Peace In Our Times"!  Carter won the 1994 Nobel Peace
>Prize for brokering this deal.  It just goes to show that even the North
>Koreans can be negotiated with if you just give them whatever they want!
>The North Koreans went on to develop nukes under the cover of a civilian,
>supposedly peaceful, nuclear power program.  The rest as they say is
>history.  It's not partisan, it's a matter of record.
>
>If it weren't so potentially dangerous, the whole story would really be
>quite amusing.  Poor Alfred Nobel must be spinning in his grave!
>
>Roger Pihlaja
>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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