From flybrad at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 05:51:39 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Wed Jun 1 07:51:41 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Air Races - Mary Dilda Message-ID: <20050601115139.58435.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is an article from today's Memphis Commercial Apppeal. You've heard me talk about Mary before. I've attached the photos from the article to spare you registering with the paper to view them, but they may be small (there is no news value in actually reading the Appeal and unless you need to line a bird cage, no reason to buy a hard copy). http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local_news/article/0,1426,MCA_437_3820744,00.html Photos by Thomas Busler/The Commercial Appeal Mary Dilda, a FedEx pilot, aerobat and competitive airplane racer, will compete in the Tunica Air Races this week. Heart for flying Dashing around pylons, pilot lives for aerial thrill By Oliver Staley Contact May 31, 2005 Mary Dilda slices through the early evening air at sickening speed. The speedometer creeps up -- 200, 210, 220 mph -- as the plane screams down, hurtling toward the Olive Branch runway. As the passenger behind her turns first white, then green, Dilda banks her T6 so steeply that its left wing is sticking straight up and the tip of the right wing is just 10 feet off the ground. Her husband, standing on the ground, flickers past and Dilda pulls back hard on the stick, lifting the plane skyward, ready to do it again. After about 20 minutes Dilda is back on the ground, laughing. Her passenger is soaked with sweat and quivering, but she looks as fresh as when she climbed in the cockpit. In truth, the flight wasn't much of a workout for Dilda, a FedEx pilot, aerobat and competitive airplane racer. With the Tunica Air Races just weeks away, Dilda was tuning up her T6 Two of Hearts, a single-engine World War II propeller plane she owns with her husband, Steve, in preparation for three days of racing. A race, she said, is a mental and physical battle, with as many as six planes banking in unison around a five-mile course of pylons. "You've got planes on either side of you," she said. "It's incredible." During racing the planes are sealed to be as aerodynamic as possible, and the temperature in the cockpits climbs well past 100 degrees. The noise can be deafening and pilots fight centrifugal forces that can approach 10 Gs. And unlike in auto racing, where the drag of a car in front can help, the slipstream of another plane is no place to be. "If you get into any wake turbulence it has a tendency to knock you around," potentially into the pylons or other planes, Dilda said. "They have had planes connect and they never make it." Death is a reality in air racing. Fourteen pilots have been killed since 1964 at the Reno Air Races -- until this year the sport's only regular venue -- and given how few people compete in the extraordinarily expensive pastime, few other sports have as high a fatality rate. It's the sport's danger, though, that creates the thrills. It's why NASCAR is more exciting than track meets and why people go to the rodeo. Dilda is up front about the risk but doesn't dwell on it. "It is dangerous but these things can happen at any point in time," she said. Besides, she said, the pilots she races "are the cream of the crop." At 46, Dilda is blonde, trim and disarmingly friendly. But her ready smile belies the cut- throat instincts of a competitor. In her eight years of racing at Reno she has finished in the top five of the T6 class in all but her first year, with two second-place finishes. In 2002, flying a borrowed Czech fighter at more than 400 mph, she won the jet class, beating a field that included a pair of astronauts. Dilda has been flying since she was a teenager in rural New Mexico, tagging along with her rancher father in his Cessna. At Oklahoma State University, Dilda gave flying lessons and soon after joined the Air Force. She served for 10 years, including during the first Gulf War when she flew massive C141 cargo planes. She has been with FedEx since 1994 as a simulator instructor and more recently a cargo pilot. Racing and stunt flying followed, after she and Steve bought Two of Hearts in 1996. Steve has raced in the past but he'll serve as the "air boss" at the Tunica races, directing the planes from the ground. Her dedication to flying has resulted in some sacrifices, notably not having children. "When I was young I decided I was going to be a mother or a pilot but I couldn't do both," she said. "I give credit to all the women who do it, but gosh ..." No children, of course, means more time to spend aloft and tinkering with Two of Hearts. The plane set a T6 record of 239 mph in 2003, and in the weeks leading up to race it has been further tuned and modified. Dilda's flight over Olive Branch was to work out a new propeller. "We've done just about everything we can do to make it faster," she said back in the hangar. Now, after a rash of strong showings in Reno, Dilda's aspirations for the inaugural race in her backyard are obvious. "Knock on wood, I plan on winning," she said, smiling sweetly. -- Oliver Staley: 529-6515 Copyright 2005, commercialappeal.com - Memphis, TN. All Rights Reserved. __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. 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He always tells the story of being at an airshow with a bunch of other T6s and as he is on final for landing he hears the tower "White T6, your gear's up". Well, he looked around and thought "That fool behind me forgot to drop his gear." As he continues on down to the runway, the tower calls out "White T6, your gear's still up". He then remembers thinking, "That fool must not have his radio on, either!" Just about then he touches down on his belly and makes a nice slide down the runway. OOPS! Trivia 101. Hollywood used the T6 to re-create the Japanese Zoro for the movie "Tora! Tora! Tora!" Hank On 6/1/05, brad haslett wrote: > Here is an article from today's Memphis Commercial > Apppeal. You've heard me talk about Mary before. I've > attached the photos from the article to spare you > registering with the paper to view them, but they may > be small (there is no news value in actually reading > the Appeal and unless you need to line a bird cage, no > reason to buy a hard copy). > > http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local_news/article/0,1426,MCA_437_3820744,00.html > > > Photos by Thomas Busler/The Commercial Appeal > > Mary Dilda, a FedEx pilot, aerobat and competitive > airplane racer, will compete in the Tunica Air Races > this week. > > Heart for flying > Dashing around pylons, pilot lives for aerial thrill > > By Oliver Staley > Contact > May 31, 2005 > > Mary Dilda slices through the early evening air at > sickening speed. > > The speedometer creeps up -- 200, 210, 220 mph -- as > the plane screams down, hurtling toward the Olive > Branch runway. > > > As the passenger behind her turns first white, then > green, Dilda banks her T6 so steeply that its left > wing is sticking straight up and the tip of the right > wing is just 10 feet off the ground. > > Her husband, standing on the ground, flickers past and > Dilda pulls back hard on the stick, lifting the plane > skyward, ready to do it again. > > After about 20 minutes Dilda is back on the ground, > laughing. Her passenger is soaked with sweat and > quivering, but she looks as fresh as when she climbed > in the cockpit. > > In truth, the flight wasn't much of a workout for > Dilda, a FedEx pilot, aerobat and competitive airplane > racer. With the Tunica Air Races just weeks away, > Dilda was tuning up her T6 Two of Hearts, a > single-engine World War II propeller plane she owns > with her husband, Steve, in preparation for three days > of racing. > > A race, she said, is a mental and physical battle, > with as many as six planes banking in unison around a > five-mile course of pylons. > > "You've got planes on either side of you," she said. > "It's incredible." > > During racing the planes are sealed to be as > aerodynamic as possible, and the temperature in the > cockpits climbs well past 100 degrees. The noise can > be deafening and pilots fight centrifugal forces that > can approach 10 Gs. And unlike in auto racing, where > the drag of a car in front can help, the slipstream of > another plane is no place to be. > > "If you get into any wake turbulence it has a tendency > to knock you around," potentially into the pylons or > other planes, Dilda said. "They have had planes > connect and they never make it." > > Death is a reality in air racing. Fourteen pilots have > been killed since 1964 at the Reno Air Races -- until > this year the sport's only regular venue -- and given > how few people compete in the extraordinarily > expensive pastime, few other sports have as high a > fatality rate. > > It's the sport's danger, though, that creates the > thrills. It's why NASCAR is more exciting than track > meets and why people go to the rodeo. > > Dilda is up front about the risk but doesn't dwell on > it. > > "It is dangerous but these things can happen at any > point in time," she said. Besides, she said, the > pilots she races "are the cream of the crop." > > At 46, Dilda is blonde, trim and disarmingly friendly. > But her ready smile belies the cut- throat instincts > of a competitor. > > In her eight years of racing at Reno she has finished > in the top five of the T6 class in all but her first > year, with two second-place finishes. In 2002, flying > a borrowed Czech fighter at more than 400 mph, she won > the jet class, beating a field that included a pair of > astronauts. > > Dilda has been flying since she was a teenager in > rural New Mexico, tagging along with her rancher > father in his Cessna. At Oklahoma State University, > Dilda gave flying lessons and soon after joined the > Air Force. > > She served for 10 years, including during the first > Gulf War when she flew massive C141 cargo planes. > > She has been with FedEx since 1994 as a simulator > instructor and more recently a cargo pilot. Racing and > stunt flying followed, after she and Steve bought Two > of Hearts in 1996. Steve has raced in the past but > he'll serve as the "air boss" at the Tunica races, > directing the planes from the ground. > > Her dedication to flying has resulted in some > sacrifices, notably not having children. > > "When I was young I decided I was going to be a mother > or a pilot but I couldn't do both," she said. "I give > credit to all the women who do it, but gosh ..." > > No children, of course, means more time to spend aloft > and tinkering with Two of Hearts. > > The plane set a T6 record of 239 mph in 2003, and in > the weeks leading up to race it has been further tuned > and modified. Dilda's flight over Olive Branch was to > work out a new propeller. > > "We've done just about everything we can do to make it > faster," she said back in the hangar. > > Now, after a rash of strong showings in Reno, Dilda's > aspirations for the inaugural race in her backyard are > obvious. > > "Knock on wood, I plan on winning," she said, smiling > sweetly. > > -- Oliver Staley: 529-6515 > > Copyright 2005, commercialappeal.com - Memphis, TN. > All Rights Reserved. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html > > Name: Mary&TwoofHearts.jpg Type: image/pjpeg Size: 19008 bytes Desc: 3634816919-Mary&TwoofHearts.jpg > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/01/MaryTwoofHearts.bin > > > Name: twoofhearts.jpg Type: image/pjpeg Size: 9301 bytes Desc: 1244818517-twoofhearts.jpg > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/01/twoofhearts.bin > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > From flybrad at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 06:47:40 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Wed Jun 1 08:47:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Air Races - Mary Dilda In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050601124740.219.qmail@web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hank, Ouch! That hurts just to think about, and expensive! Mary and her husband Steve bought their first T-6 from another of our pilots, Jimmy Gist. Steve has his own T-6 now and is President of the T-6 race association. Expensive toys but now they have several sponsers. Mac-Tools already sponsered a racer at Reno and so Snap-On picked up Mary. A semi-truck pulled up to their hangar one day and said "I got your tools". Steve explained that they didn't order any tools. Snap-on gave them about five or so fully stocked tool boxes with just about everything they make. The boxes cover the whole back wall of their hangar. Several of my co-workers that live in Texas are involved in the Confederate Air Force. Neat organization. Last week I stumbled on a company that is selling fractional ownership shares in a DC-3 for corporate use (just like Warren Buffet's company NetJets) does for corporate jets. I'd like to see someone do that for a Connie, still the sexiest transport ever built. Brad PS: While I was typing this crew scheduling called to advise me I've been bumped off tomorrows trip to EWR because training needs it. Were going sailing! Were going sailing! --- Hank wrote: > Brad, > > A friend of mine used to own a T6 in the Confederate > Airforce back in > Houston. He always tells the story of being at an > airshow with a > bunch of other T6s and as he is on final for landing > he hears the > tower "White T6, your gear's up". Well, he looked > around and thought > "That fool behind me forgot to drop his gear." As > he continues on > down to the runway, the tower calls out "White T6, > your gear's still > up". He then remembers thinking, "That fool must > not have his radio > on, either!" Just about then he touches down on his > belly and makes a > nice slide down the runway. OOPS! > > Trivia 101. Hollywood used the T6 to re-create the > Japanese Zoro for > the movie "Tora! Tora! Tora!" > > Hank > > On 6/1/05, brad haslett wrote: > > Here is an article from today's Memphis Commercial > > Apppeal. You've heard me talk about Mary before. > I've > > attached the photos from the article to spare you > > registering with the paper to view them, but they > may > > be small (there is no news value in actually > reading > > the Appeal and unless you need to line a bird > cage, no > > reason to buy a hard copy). > > > > > http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local_news/article/0,1426,MCA_437_3820744,00.html > > > > > > Photos by Thomas Busler/The Commercial Appeal > > > > Mary Dilda, a FedEx pilot, aerobat and competitive > > airplane racer, will compete in the Tunica Air > Races > > this week. > > > > Heart for flying > > Dashing around pylons, pilot lives for aerial > thrill > > > > By Oliver Staley > > Contact > > May 31, 2005 > > > > Mary Dilda slices through the early evening air at > > sickening speed. > > > > The speedometer creeps up -- 200, 210, 220 mph -- > as > > the plane screams down, hurtling toward the Olive > > Branch runway. > > > > > > As the passenger behind her turns first white, > then > > green, Dilda banks her T6 so steeply that its left > > wing is sticking straight up and the tip of the > right > > wing is just 10 feet off the ground. > > > > Her husband, standing on the ground, flickers past > and > > Dilda pulls back hard on the stick, lifting the > plane > > skyward, ready to do it again. > > > > After about 20 minutes Dilda is back on the > ground, > > laughing. Her passenger is soaked with sweat and > > quivering, but she looks as fresh as when she > climbed > > in the cockpit. > > > > In truth, the flight wasn't much of a workout for > > Dilda, a FedEx pilot, aerobat and competitive > airplane > > racer. With the Tunica Air Races just weeks away, > > Dilda was tuning up her T6 Two of Hearts, a > > single-engine World War II propeller plane she > owns > > with her husband, Steve, in preparation for three > days > > of racing. > > > > A race, she said, is a mental and physical battle, > > with as many as six planes banking in unison > around a > > five-mile course of pylons. > > > > "You've got planes on either side of you," she > said. > > "It's incredible." > > > > During racing the planes are sealed to be as > > aerodynamic as possible, and the temperature in > the > > cockpits climbs well past 100 degrees. The noise > can > > be deafening and pilots fight centrifugal forces > that > > can approach 10 Gs. And unlike in auto racing, > where > > the drag of a car in front can help, the > slipstream of > > another plane is no place to be. > > > > "If you get into any wake turbulence it has a > tendency > > to knock you around," potentially into the pylons > or > > other planes, Dilda said. "They have had planes > > connect and they never make it." > > > > Death is a reality in air racing. Fourteen pilots > have > > been killed since 1964 at the Reno Air Races -- > until > > this year the sport's only regular venue -- and > given > > how few people compete in the extraordinarily > > expensive pastime, few other sports have as high a > > fatality rate. > > > > It's the sport's danger, though, that creates the > > thrills. It's why NASCAR is more exciting than > track > > meets and why people go to the rodeo. > > > > Dilda is up front about the risk but doesn't dwell > on > > it. > > > > "It is dangerous but these things can happen at > any > > point in time," she said. Besides, she said, the > > pilots she races "are the cream of the crop." > > > > At 46, Dilda is blonde, trim and disarmingly > friendly. > > But her ready smile belies the cut- throat > instincts > > of a competitor. > > > > In her eight years of racing at Reno she has > finished > > in the top five of the T6 class in all but her > first > > year, with two second-place finishes. In 2002, > flying > > a borrowed Czech fighter at more than 400 mph, she > won > > the jet class, beating a field that included a > pair of > > astronauts. > > > > Dilda has been flying since she was a teenager in > > rural New Mexico, tagging along with her rancher > > father in his Cessna. At Oklahoma State > University, > > Dilda gave flying lessons and soon after joined > the > > Air Force. > > > > She served for 10 years, including during the > first > > Gulf War when she flew massive C141 cargo planes. > > > > She has been with FedEx since 1994 as a simulator > > instructor and more recently a cargo pilot. Racing > and > > stunt flying followed, after she and Steve bought > Two > > of Hearts in 1996. Steve has raced in the past but > > he'll serve as the "air boss" at the Tunica races, > > directing the planes from the ground. > > > > Her dedication to flying has resulted in some > > sacrifices, notably not having children. > > > > "When I was young I decided I was going to be a > mother > > or a pilot but I couldn't do both," she said. "I > give > > credit to all the women who do it, but gosh ..." > > > > No children, of course, means more time to spend > aloft > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 1 13:49:56 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 1 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test Message and Tiller Question In-Reply-To: <031201c56630$1d908100$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> References: <031201c56630$1d908100$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> Message-ID: <429DE734.3050304@effros.com> Julie, Razz was the resident varnishing expert on this list, and my personal varnishing guru. Here is his reply to your question from 2000: Rummy, I have used Pettit Ultra-V-Gold urethane reinforced varnish for the last decade or so with very good results. Its not too horrendously expensive, $23/qt in West catalog. Has that nice deep gold color and high gloss of a good traditional varnish but seems to retain its flexibility and toughness longer. I thin it just a little with Marine Penetrol for better brushing and flow. Generally do 9 coats on bare wood and a refresher coat once a year. Slow process. It works best if you let it dry for at least 24 hours between coats. The penetrol, which is mostly linseed oil slows the drying process but unlike solvent thinners doesn't reduce the coating thickness. I do a fine wet sand between coats with 220 grit wet or dry papers and a little dish washer detergent in the water. Then wipe with Pettit brushing thinner a few minutes before the next coat. The Penetrol instructions say you can skip the sanding and just wipe down with penetrol before the next coat but I have had this soften the underlying coat enough to cause problems. For me this is all a very pleasant meditative process. I much prefer this activity to cleaning buffing and waxing fiberglass. Goes great with beer or rumncoke. Razz Julie Thorndycraft wrote: > Greetings, > This message is two-part - first to test that I'm back on the list > again and second, what is the best method/product to use when > refinishing the tiller handle? > > Thanks in advance, > Julie > s/v Blue Loon > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From R22RumRunner at aol.com Wed Jun 1 21:40:30 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 1 20:40:38 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crappy weather. Message-ID: It's been raining on and off for the better part of four days now and the temps have been in the 50's. This is really beginning to cut into my sailing time. I can't wait for Saturday, the high is expected to be in the upper 80's. Very strange weather indeed for SC. Rummy From gjm at macgra.com Wed Jun 1 21:56:09 2005 From: gjm at macgra.com (Gregg J. MacMillan) Date: Wed Jun 1 20:56:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crappy weather. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very strange weather indeed for SC. Sounds like it could be another "windy" summer... --Gregg Hurricane Season Starts Today The Associated Press Wednesday, June 1, 2005; 8:50 AM FORT COLLINS, Colo. -- Today is the first day of hurricane season and the latest forecast warns it could be a busy one. A team at Colorado State University headed by William Gray says the ocean continues to heat up and that means more hurricane activity in the Atlantic. Gray's team predicts 15 named storms, Arlene through Ophelia, with eight becoming hurricanes. The team says it expects four of those to be intense, with sustained winds of at least 111 miles an hour. An earlier forecast predicted 13 named storms and seven hurricanes, three of which were expected to be intense. From anima13 at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 1 21:35:49 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Wed Jun 1 21:36:06 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crappy weather. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hate to tell you this, but I had last week off and it was 55 low and 78 highs all week. Great wind at the beginning of the week for sailing and no wind in latter week which helped me get all the buffing done!! Stainless is all polished also! Wonderful week on the lake...back to work for now. Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of R22RumRunner@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:41 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crappy weather. It's been raining on and off for the better part of four days now and the temps have been in the 50's. This is really beginning to cut into my sailing time. I can't wait for Saturday, the high is expected to be in the upper 80's. Very strange weather indeed for SC. Rummy __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jwtyler at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 23:39:57 2005 From: jwtyler at gmail.com (Jay of the Black Tower) Date: Wed Jun 1 22:40:01 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction Message-ID: <69cfc57805060119397705ca1f@mail.gmail.com> Hello, My name is Jay and I have never sailed a Rhodes22. Now that I have that grevious sin confession out of the way let me say that I am in love with the boat. Madly. I saw my first Rhodes a week ago for sail in the parking lot of a church. And now I have to own one... simple. Obsessive I know but simple. This particular sweety is out of my range I am afraid. Its a 94 flawless. And they want 20-26. Which seemed excessive to me as I can get one from General for 27k. Anyhow, I am now trolling the magazines, internet etc for one in my price range. If you all have any advice for someone looking for their first Rhodes I would surely appreciate the help. This will be my first all alone sailboat purchase. Thanks all, and thanks for letting me pester ya.. out, Jay From lcrowther at cox.net Thu Jun 2 00:39:54 2005 From: lcrowther at cox.net (Lloyd Crowther) Date: Wed Jun 1 23:40:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction References: <69cfc57805060119397705ca1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01c56724$bd9a3250$1402a8c0@lloydpc> Jay, You will get a better response if you tell us where you live or where the Rhodes22 you saw goes to church. Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay of the Black Tower" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction Hello, My name is Jay and I have never sailed a Rhodes22. Now that I have that grevious sin confession out of the way let me say that I am in love with the boat. Madly. I saw my first Rhodes a week ago for sail in the parking lot of a church. And now I have to own one... simple. Obsessive I know but simple. This particular sweety is out of my range I am afraid. Its a 94 flawless. And they want 20-26. Which seemed excessive to me as I can get one from General for 27k. Anyhow, I am now trolling the magazines, internet etc for one in my price range. If you all have any advice for someone looking for their first Rhodes I would surely appreciate the help. This will be my first all alone sailboat purchase. Thanks all, and thanks for letting me pester ya.. out, Jay __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Thu Jun 2 08:15:40 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu Jun 2 07:15:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction References: <69cfc57805060119397705ca1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22d801c56764$6921cae0$6501a8c0@mjm2> some details will help. 1)where are you using it. 2)what is the real price range execpt:-), now that we are talk boats, what the price you can pay 3)any "must have" options, trailer, motor, IMF, electic motor lift, marine head, .... 4)How much work do you want to do and a more important question what is your background in marin work(theis is a detail question like glass work, wiring, rigging etc...) MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay of the Black Tower" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction Hello, My name is Jay and I have never sailed a Rhodes22. Now that I have that grevious sin confession out of the way let me say that I am in love with the boat. Madly. I saw my first Rhodes a week ago for sail in the parking lot of a church. And now I have to own one... simple. Obsessive I know but simple. This particular sweety is out of my range I am afraid. Its a 94 flawless. And they want 20-26. Which seemed excessive to me as I can get one from General for 27k. Anyhow, I am now trolling the magazines, internet etc for one in my price range. If you all have any advice for someone looking for their first Rhodes I would surely appreciate the help. This will be my first all alone sailboat purchase. Thanks all, and thanks for letting me pester ya.. out, Jay __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From sschultz at itol.com Thu Jun 2 07:24:03 2005 From: sschultz at itol.com (craig schultz) Date: Thu Jun 2 07:24:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction References: <69cfc57805060119397705ca1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <078901c56765$99ed9810$6ba53ed1@dell2350> Jay,I am selling a 1986 hull ,factory refurbished in 2000, well equipt and taken care of.It is in wisconsin.The asking price is 16,000.You may contact Craig at sschultz@itol.com for more info.Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay of the Black Tower" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction > Hello, > My name is Jay and I have never sailed a Rhodes22. Now that I have that > grevious sin confession out of the way let me say that I am in love with > the > boat. Madly. > I saw my first Rhodes a week ago for sail in the parking lot of a church. > And now I have to own one... simple. Obsessive I know but simple. > This particular sweety is out of my range I am afraid. Its a 94 flawless. > And they want 20-26. Which seemed excessive to me as I can get one from > General for 27k. Anyhow, I am now trolling the magazines, internet etc for > one in my price range. > If you all have any advice for someone looking for their first Rhodes I > would surely appreciate the help. This will be my first all alone sailboat > purchase. > Thanks all, and thanks for letting me pester ya.. > out, > Jay > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 05:41:24 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 2 07:41:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Weather & Other Useful Diversions - Joke Message-ID: <20050602114125.83936.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For what it's worth, the weather was crappy here yesterday, ditto today. So, I wisely invested my time at the Memphis Center for Peace and Prosperity & Other Important Things instead of going to the lake. My friend the quarterback couldn't make it so I was the lone voice of reason amongst the sharks. However, two of my favorite regulars did make it, the former chair of the theatre department at U of M (and the first to produce "Hair" out of NYC, a real controversy in Memphis) and a local actor that has had small parts in about 30 movies. The actor is currently producing a play about an Irishman who decides to commit suicide and forgoes the shotgun for drinking himself to death. Someone made the motion that since no one at the bar, er, I mean Center, was particularly interested in Peace or Prosperity that day, we tell all the Irish drinking jokes we coud think of. Here's the winner. -------------------------------------- Sean is walking down the beach and picks-up an unusual looking bottle and uncorks it. A genie pops out and offers Sean two wishes. Sean thinks for a moment and says "I want a bottomless glass of Guiness". Poof! He instantly is holding a pint of Guiness and drinks heartily for several hours. The genie finally gets frustrated and asks, "don't you want your other wish?" "Yeah, I'll have another one of these!" __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From hnw555 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 08:57:07 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Thu Jun 2 07:57:10 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Weather & Other Useful Diversions - Joke In-Reply-To: <20050602114125.83936.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050602114125.83936.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This reminds me of my favorite Guinness joke... During a brewmaster's convention the brewmasters for Budweiser, Miller and Guinness all go out to lunch together. The waitress asks for their drink order and the brewmaster from Budweiser says, "I'll have a Budweiser Select." The Brewmaster from Miller says "Bring me a Miller Genuine Draft." and then the Brewmaster from Guinness says, "Bring me an ice tea." The other two guys look at him rather strangely, so the Guinness Brewmaster says, "Well, if you fellows aren't going to drink beer, then I won't either!" On 6/2/05, brad haslett wrote: > For what it's worth, the weather was crappy here > yesterday, ditto today. So, I wisely invested my time > at the Memphis Center for Peace and Prosperity & Other > Important Things instead of going to the lake. My > friend the quarterback couldn't make it so I was the > lone voice of reason amongst the sharks. However, two > of my favorite regulars did make it, the former chair > of the theatre department at U of M (and the first to > produce "Hair" out of NYC, a real controversy in > Memphis) and a local actor that has had small parts in > about 30 movies. The actor is currently producing a > play about an Irishman who decides to commit suicide > and forgoes the shotgun for drinking himself to death. > Someone made the motion that since no one at the bar, > er, I mean Center, was particularly interested in > Peace or Prosperity that day, we tell all the Irish > drinking jokes we coud think of. Here's the winner. > > -------------------------------------- > > Sean is walking down the beach and picks-up an unusual > looking bottle and uncorks it. > > A genie pops out and offers Sean two wishes. > > Sean thinks for a moment and says "I want a > bottomless glass of Guiness". Poof! He instantly is > holding a pint of Guiness and drinks heartily for > several hours. > > The genie finally gets frustrated and asks, "don't you > want your other wish?" > > "Yeah, I'll have another one of these!" > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 06:18:19 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:18:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Weather & Other Useful Diversions - Joke In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050602121819.35143.qmail@web32909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hank, That joke reminds me of when I flew for Coca-Cola Bottling of South Arkansas, the owner, Ferdinand Magellan Bellingrath (how would you like to go through life with that handle), would make me order a Coke in places that he knew Pepsi had the contract when we went to dinner together. If they said "would Pepsi be OK?", or served Pepsi and didn't say anything, I was supposed to make a scene and then order ice tea. That lasted for about a week and I explained to Ferd that my job was to fly his jet, he could play all the silly games he wanted without my assistance. But anyway, here is an Australian spin on your joke. Why do the Australians think American beer is like having sex on a sailboat? Both are f%$#king near water! Brad --- Hank wrote: > This reminds me of my favorite Guinness joke... > > During a brewmaster's convention the brewmasters for > Budweiser, Miller > and Guinness all go out to lunch together. The > waitress asks for > their drink order and the brewmaster from Budweiser > says, "I'll have a > Budweiser Select." The Brewmaster from Miller says > "Bring me a Miller > Genuine Draft." and then the Brewmaster from > Guinness says, "Bring me > an ice tea." The other two guys look at him rather > strangely, so the > Guinness Brewmaster says, "Well, if you fellows > aren't going to drink > beer, then I won't either!" > > On 6/2/05, brad haslett wrote: > > For what it's worth, the weather was crappy here > > yesterday, ditto today. So, I wisely invested my > time > > at the Memphis Center for Peace and Prosperity & > Other > > Important Things instead of going to the lake. My > > friend the quarterback couldn't make it so I was > the > > lone voice of reason amongst the sharks. However, > two > > of my favorite regulars did make it, the former > chair > > of the theatre department at U of M (and the first > to > > produce "Hair" out of NYC, a real controversy in > > Memphis) and a local actor that has had small > parts in > > about 30 movies. The actor is currently producing > a > > play about an Irishman who decides to commit > suicide > > and forgoes the shotgun for drinking himself to > death. > > Someone made the motion that since no one at the > bar, > > er, I mean Center, was particularly interested in > > Peace or Prosperity that day, we tell all the > Irish > > drinking jokes we coud think of. Here's the > winner. > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > Sean is walking down the beach and picks-up an > unusual > > looking bottle and uncorks it. > > > > A genie pops out and offers Sean two wishes. > > > > Sean thinks for a moment and says "I want a > > bottomless glass of Guiness". Poof! He instantly > is > > holding a pint of Guiness and drinks heartily for > > several hours. > > > > The genie finally gets frustrated and asks, "don't > you > > want your other wish?" > > > > "Yeah, I'll have another one of these!" > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news > and more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 2 09:21:08 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:21:17 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay In-Reply-To: <22d801c56764$6921cae0$6501a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: <000001c5676d$8eb770d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Jay, We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do for a sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a religious experience or guilt trip? Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. Have you explored the archives of this site? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 2 09:43:25 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:43:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diet Coke with Splenda Message-ID: <429EFEED.5000807@effros.com> I don't like it. Bill Effros From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 09:45:59 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:46:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test Message and Tiller Question In-Reply-To: <429CF19F.8040704@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Rik, Charlie gives food advice. That guy is a master craftsman for sure. Thier Rhodes Meridian is really something special. For those on this list that don't frequent the TSBB. CJ and his wife fully restored a trashed Rhodes Meridian. It is in better than new shape with some major modifications. Rhodes sure designed some sweet boats. I use Z Spar Flagship on my wooden Bantam. It is good stuff. Wally >From: Rik Sandberg >Reply-To: sanderico@earthlink.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Test Message and Tiller Question >Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:22:07 -0500 > >Hi Julie, > >It's working :-) > >I asked the same question on the trailer sailor board and Charlie Jones, >who is a wizard with wood, recommended Z-Spar, Flagship, 2015 from Pettit. >He told me it has the highest UV protection and lasts longer than anything >else he has come across. One hint he gave me was to thin the first coat >about 50% with 100% mineral spirits. > >I'll be doing my tiller and rudder heads sometime this summer too. > >Rik > >Julie Thorndycraft wrote: > >>Greetings, >>This message is two-part - first to test that I'm back on the list again >>and second, what is the best method/product to use when refinishing the >>tiller handle? >> >>Thanks in advance, >>Julie >>s/v Blue Loon >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Thu Jun 2 09:48:27 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:48:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diet Coke with Splenda Message-ID: <1c0.29dbf5c5.2fd05a1b@aol.com> You have got to be kidding. This stuff is great. Have you tried it with Rum? Rummy From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 2 09:48:37 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:48:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad - Air Conditioning In-Reply-To: <20050530121833.71255.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050530121833.71255.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <429F0025.30606@effros.com> How about hoisting the generator up the mast? It only weighs 20 something pounds. You could connect the output to your shore power input. Bill Effros Always trying to help. brad haslett wrote: >Bill, > >I hadn't really thought about it that way. What's the >name of that new Jane Fonda flick? > >Here's what I had in mind, found this on an RV site. > >http://www.magnacoach.com/genturi.html > >The people that flock to NASCAR races have the same >problem, lots of RVs in close proximity with exhaust >gasses down low. In fact, the RV market has had some >cases of sucking generator fumes in open windows. >That's why most keep CO alarms on board. > >Frankly, I'm more than happy to spend overnights at >the dock. This research is more for my friend Ken and >his anticipated boat purchase. He's already survived >being hit by a train, running his airplane out of gas, >and at least one jealous husband. He'll be fine! > >Brad > >--- Bill Effros wrote: > > > >>Brad, >> >>I see your point. It appears there are only about 2 >>deaths a year from >>carbon monoxide poisoning in airplanes, and you >>would normally have 3 on >>board, so your odds of everyone on board dying in a >>single incident in a >>single year look pretty remote. >> >>On the other hand, the FAA frowns on airplane >>exhaust systems that rely >>on coffee can masks and lines holding hoses up >>masts. >> >>Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, the >>stifling heat and lack of >>wind are God's way of telling you that a given day >>with your family >>might better be spent at an air conditioned movie? >> >>Bill >> >>brad haslett wrote: >> >> >> >>>Bill, >>> >>>"Children and small wives die faster?" I hadn't >>>really thought of that but there may be a business >>>opportunity here. >>> >>>Actually I'm well aware of the dangers of carbon >>>monoxide risks, remember, my first job in the >>> >>> >>aviation >> >> >>>industry was as an airframe and powerplant >>> >>> >>mechanic. >> >> >>>Small airplanes use a shroud around the muffler to >>>warm ambient air and pump it into the cabin. Any >>> >>> >>leak >> >> >>>in the muffler provides a straight flow of exhaust >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>the cockpit. >>> >>>My boat doesn't have an in-cabin location that >>> >>> >>would >> >> >>>be suitable for locating a genset without using up >>> >>> >>too >> >> >>>much space or being to noisy (same as the R-22). >>> >>> >>The >> >> >>>only logical location for the Honda would be >>> >>> >>topsides. >> >> >>>On larger boats, sailboats included, the genset >>>exhausts via an underwater thru-hull, same as the >>>engine. The bulk of the deaths from gensets have >>> >>> >>been >> >> >>>on houseboats that port exhaust near a swim >>> >>> >>platform >> >> >>>where it accumulates. The beauty of Bob's design >>> >>> >>is >> >> >>>that it takes the exhaust up high where it would >>>dissapate. The attraction of mounting the Honda in >>> >>> >>an >> >> >>>industrial storage bin or cooler is to quiet it >>> >>> >>even >> >> >>>more but might require installing a cooling air >>> >>> >>intake >> >> >>>fan and perhaps an exhaust fan as well. Really >>> >>> >>pretty >> >> >>>simple stuff. >>> >>>We motored today for about an hour until the wind >>>picked up. My little 13hp diesel starts to smell >>> >>> >>in >> >> >>>the cabin after awhile. There are no exhaust >>> >>> >>leaks, >> >> >>>diesels just stink (unless they are running on used >>>french fry oil). I think I'm going to put in a >>>powered fan in the engine compartment anyway. The >>>only time the Honda would be used at anchor is when >>>the A/C is running so there would be a constant >>> >>> >>source >> >> >>>of fresh air. >>> >>>Trust me, before I take small children on the boat >>>overnight, I'll test any system extensively with a >>>carbon monoxide meter. Wives, mine or anyone >>> >>> >>else's >> >> >>>are welcome to dedicate their body to science if >>>they're interested. >>> >>>Brad >>> >>>--- Bill Effros wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Brad, >>>> >>>>Roger would have leapt to my aid by now. I've got >>>>to look this stuff >>>>up, it's not just swimming in my head. (People >>>> >>>> >>who >> >> >>>>dislike satire, stop >>>>reading this paragraph.) You don't want to change >>>>the name of your boat >>>>to R.I.P. >>>> >>>>Carbon monoxide is insidious because it has a >>>>cumulative effect over >>>>time. The time can be very short--like one night. >>>> >>>> >>>>You can't see or >>>>smell carbon monoxide. Each particle that gets >>>> >>>> >>into >> >> >>>>your lungs becomes >>>>attached to a blood cell, and prevents that blood >>>>cell from delivering >>>>oxygen to the other cells in your system--instead >>>> >>>> >>it >> >> >>>>delivers the carbon >>>>monoxide. Your system quietly starts shutting >>>> >>>> >>down >> >> >>>>for lack of "air," >>>>but if you're asleep you don't notice. Children >>>> >>>> >>and >> >> >>>>small wives die >>>>faster than big guys because they have fewer cells >>>>so they shut down >>>>sooner. You accidentally pump enough of that >>>> >>>> >>stuff >> >> >>>>into your cabin, you >>>>can die in 1 to 3 minutes. (More satire to end of >>>>paragraph.) "Hey >>>>honey, is it getting cool down there?" >>>> >>>>Carbon monoxide kills entire families in big >>>> >>>> >>houses >> >> >>>>all the time. >>>>Roughly 1500-2000 people a year die in the US from >>>>carbon monoxide >>>>poisoning, almost all of them when something goes >>>>wrong in an existing, >>>>professionally installed, certified exhaust >>>> >>>> >>system. >> >> >>>>Now, you guys are talking about protecting >>>>yourselves with coffee cans, >>>>shop hoses, and coolers. You plan to enclose your >>>>family in a tiny >>>>space, close all the windows, and recirculate >>>> >>>> >>cooled >> >> >>>>air in that space >>>>so any carbon monoxide that may have missed your >>>>lungs the first time >>>>around, will get another chance. >>>> >>>>Brad, I really don't think you are going to do >>>> >>>> >>this. >> >> >>>>BTW Putting an exhaust hose into water is a really >>>>really bad idea. It >>>>creates back pressure that the engine is not >>>>designed for. This will >>>>shorten the life of the engine, but more >>>> >>>> >>importantly >> >> >>>>in this >>>>application, it will cause improper combustion >>>> >>>> >>which >> >> >>>>increases carbon >>>>monoxide output. The back pressure will also >>>> >>>> >>damage >> >> >>>>the exhaust system >>>>causing it to leak above the water line. >>>> >>>>Your Friend, >>>> >>>>Bill Effros >>>> >>>>brad haslett wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Bill, >>>>> >>>>>Nope, we're dead serious. Well, maybe that is a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>bad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>choice of words. There was a spate of carbon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>monoxide >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>deaths out on Lake Havasau a few years back with >>>>>houseboats and carbon monoxide gathering under >>>>> >>>>> >>the >> >> >>>>>swim platform. A lot of people on other boating >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 2 09:54:35 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:54:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diet Coke with Splenda In-Reply-To: <1c0.29dbf5c5.2fd05a1b@aol.com> References: <1c0.29dbf5c5.2fd05a1b@aol.com> Message-ID: <429F018B.7040209@effros.com> I tried it because you mentioned it. I always judge a drink on its merits, not mixed. Too sweet for me. Like "New Coke". Bill Effros However, I must say you are passionate on this issue. Your response set the modern record for speedy replies. I think it showed up in my mailbox before my original message got there. R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: >You have got to be kidding. This stuff is great. Have you tried it with Rum? > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 07:06:35 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 2 09:06:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad - Air Conditioning In-Reply-To: <429F0025.30606@effros.com> Message-ID: <20050602130635.72852.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, That's brilliant, so simple and so, Jed Clampett! I love it. Click this for your present for your creative thinking. http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=QXGHPJ4WV9C49LFK12RG26XCJNN5BVS6&sitetype=1&did=4&sid=40533&whichpage=1&sortBy=popular&keyword=cats+box§ion=cartoons Brad --- Bill Effros wrote: > How about hoisting the generator up the mast? > > It only weighs 20 something pounds. > > You could connect the output to your shore power > input. > > Bill Effros > > Always trying to help. > > brad haslett wrote: > > >Bill, > > > >I hadn't really thought about it that way. What's > the > >name of that new Jane Fonda flick? > > > >Here's what I had in mind, found this on an RV > site. > > > >http://www.magnacoach.com/genturi.html > > > >The people that flock to NASCAR races have the same > >problem, lots of RVs in close proximity with > exhaust > >gasses down low. In fact, the RV market has had > some > >cases of sucking generator fumes in open windows. > >That's why most keep CO alarms on board. > > > >Frankly, I'm more than happy to spend overnights at > >the dock. This research is more for my friend Ken > and > >his anticipated boat purchase. He's already > survived > >being hit by a train, running his airplane out of > gas, > >and at least one jealous husband. He'll be fine! > > > >Brad > > > >--- Bill Effros wrote: > > > > > > > >>Brad, > >> > >>I see your point. It appears there are only about > 2 > >>deaths a year from > >>carbon monoxide poisoning in airplanes, and you > >>would normally have 3 on > >>board, so your odds of everyone on board dying in > a > >>single incident in a > >>single year look pretty remote. > >> > >>On the other hand, the FAA frowns on airplane > >>exhaust systems that rely > >>on coffee can masks and lines holding hoses up > >>masts. > >> > >>Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, the > >>stifling heat and lack of > >>wind are God's way of telling you that a given day > >>with your family > >>might better be spent at an air conditioned movie? > >> > >>Bill > >> > >>brad haslett wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Bill, > >>> > >>>"Children and small wives die faster?" I hadn't > >>>really thought of that but there may be a > business > >>>opportunity here. > >>> > >>>Actually I'm well aware of the dangers of carbon > >>>monoxide risks, remember, my first job in the > >>> > >>> > >>aviation > >> > >> > >>>industry was as an airframe and powerplant > >>> > >>> > >>mechanic. > >> > >> > >>>Small airplanes use a shroud around the muffler > to > >>>warm ambient air and pump it into the cabin. Any > >>> > >>> > >>leak > >> > >> > >>>in the muffler provides a straight flow of > exhaust > >>> > >>> > >>to > >> > >> > >>>the cockpit. > >>> > >>>My boat doesn't have an in-cabin location that > >>> > >>> > >>would > >> > >> > >>>be suitable for locating a genset without using > up > >>> > >>> > >>too > >> > >> > >>>much space or being to noisy (same as the R-22). > >>> > >>> > >>The > >> > >> > >>>only logical location for the Honda would be > >>> > >>> > >>topsides. > >> > >> > >>>On larger boats, sailboats included, the genset > >>>exhausts via an underwater thru-hull, same as the > >>>engine. The bulk of the deaths from gensets have > >>> > >>> > >>been > >> > >> > >>>on houseboats that port exhaust near a swim > >>> > >>> > >>platform > >> > >> > >>>where it accumulates. The beauty of Bob's design > >>> > >>> > >>is > >> > >> > >>>that it takes the exhaust up high where it would > >>>dissapate. The attraction of mounting the Honda > in > >>> > >>> > >>an > >> > >> > >>>industrial storage bin or cooler is to quiet it > >>> > >>> > >>even > >> > >> > >>>more but might require installing a cooling air > >>> > >>> > >>intake > >> > >> > >>>fan and perhaps an exhaust fan as well. Really > >>> > >>> > >>pretty > >> > >> > >>>simple stuff. > >>> > >>>We motored today for about an hour until the wind > >>>picked up. My little 13hp diesel starts to smell > >>> > >>> > >>in > >> > >> > >>>the cabin after awhile. There are no exhaust > >>> > >>> > >>leaks, > >> > >> > >>>diesels just stink (unless they are running on > used > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 2 10:51:56 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 2 09:52:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad - Air Conditioning In-Reply-To: <20050602130635.72852.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050602130635.72852.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <429F0EFC.5010103@effros.com> Thanks, A lot of people think I am the box. Bill Effros brad haslett wrote: >Bill, > >That's brilliant, so simple and so, Jed Clampett! I >love it. Click this for your present for your >creative thinking. > >http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=QXGHPJ4WV9C49LFK12RG26XCJNN5BVS6&sitetype=1&did=4&sid=40533&whichpage=1&sortBy=popular&keyword=cats+box§ion=cartoons > >Brad > >--- Bill Effros wrote: > > > >>How about hoisting the generator up the mast? >> >>It only weighs 20 something pounds. >> >>You could connect the output to your shore power >>input. >> >>Bill Effros >> >>Always trying to help. >> >>brad haslett wrote: >> >> >> >>>Bill, >>> >>>I hadn't really thought about it that way. What's >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>name of that new Jane Fonda flick? >>> >>>Here's what I had in mind, found this on an RV >>> >>> >>site. >> >> >>>http://www.magnacoach.com/genturi.html >>> >>>The people that flock to NASCAR races have the same >>>problem, lots of RVs in close proximity with >>> >>> >>exhaust >> >> >>>gasses down low. In fact, the RV market has had >>> >>> >>some >> >> >>>cases of sucking generator fumes in open windows. >>>That's why most keep CO alarms on board. >>> >>>Frankly, I'm more than happy to spend overnights at >>>the dock. This research is more for my friend Ken >>> >>> >>and >> >> >>>his anticipated boat purchase. He's already >>> >>> >>survived >> >> >>>being hit by a train, running his airplane out of >>> >>> >>gas, >> >> >>>and at least one jealous husband. He'll be fine! >>> >>>Brad >>> >>>--- Bill Effros wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Brad, >>>> >>>>I see your point. It appears there are only about >>>> >>>> >>2 >> >> >>>>deaths a year from >>>>carbon monoxide poisoning in airplanes, and you >>>>would normally have 3 on >>>>board, so your odds of everyone on board dying in >>>> >>>> >>a >> >> >>>>single incident in a >>>>single year look pretty remote. >>>> >>>>On the other hand, the FAA frowns on airplane >>>>exhaust systems that rely >>>>on coffee can masks and lines holding hoses up >>>>masts. >>>> >>>>Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, the >>>>stifling heat and lack of >>>>wind are God's way of telling you that a given day >>>>with your family >>>>might better be spent at an air conditioned movie? >>>> >>>>Bill >>>> >>>>brad haslett wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Bill, >>>>> >>>>>"Children and small wives die faster?" I hadn't >>>>>really thought of that but there may be a >>>>> >>>>> >>business >> >> >>>>>opportunity here. >>>>> >>>>>Actually I'm well aware of the dangers of carbon >>>>>monoxide risks, remember, my first job in the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>aviation >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>industry was as an airframe and powerplant >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>mechanic. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Small airplanes use a shroud around the muffler >>>>> >>>>> >>to >> >> >>>>>warm ambient air and pump it into the cabin. Any >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>leak >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>in the muffler provides a straight flow of >>>>> >>>>> >>exhaust >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>the cockpit. >>>>> >>>>>My boat doesn't have an in-cabin location that >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>would >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>be suitable for locating a genset without using >>>>> >>>>> >>up >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>too >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>much space or being to noisy (same as the R-22). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>The >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>only logical location for the Honda would be >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>topsides. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On larger boats, sailboats included, the genset >>>>>exhausts via an underwater thru-hull, same as the >>>>>engine. The bulk of the deaths from gensets have >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>been >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>on houseboats that port exhaust near a swim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>platform >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>where it accumulates. The beauty of Bob's design >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>is >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>that it takes the exhaust up high where it would >>>>>dissapate. The attraction of mounting the Honda >>>>> >>>>> >>in >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>an >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>industrial storage bin or cooler is to quiet it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>even >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>more but might require installing a cooling air >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>intake >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>fan and perhaps an exhaust fan as well. Really >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>pretty >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>simple stuff. >>>>> >>>>>We motored today for about an hour until the wind >>>>>picked up. My little 13hp diesel starts to smell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>the cabin after awhile. There are no exhaust >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>leaks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>diesels just stink (unless they are running on >>>>> >>>>> >>used >> >> >> >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 09:08:03 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu Jun 2 11:08:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crappy weather. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050602150803.80954.qmail@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That the way the end of last week & last weekend was for me, Rummy. This weekend is looking better but I am stuck going to a wedding of one of Marilyn friends. I tried to just send a gift but Marilyn wanted nothing to do with that. Looks like my weekend is blown!!!! Steve --- R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: > It's been raining on and off for the better part of > four days now and the > temps have been in the 50's. This is really > beginning to cut into my sailing > time. I can't wait for Saturday, the high is > expected to be in the upper 80's. > Very strange weather indeed for SC. > > Rummy > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 2 14:11:13 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 2 14:11:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay In-Reply-To: <000001c5676d$8eb770d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: > So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a > religious experience or guilt trip? Now THAT'S funny! From gjm at macgra.com Thu Jun 2 17:13:10 2005 From: gjm at macgra.com (Gregg J. MacMillan) Date: Thu Jun 2 16:13:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam Message-ID: You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture 17 for sale. I have it listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This is different than selling at auction...it just sits there until someone buys it) The reason for the post is the increasing number of scam emails I receive...about three each day...like the ones below. It is becoming a real problem trying to sell higher priced items on ebay, especially at auction. You go thru the whole auction process and then it turns out that one of these scam artists is the winning bidder. The scam is that the certified check they send you is counterfeit, but that may not show up for a week or so. In the mean time, you've sent them the "shipping fee". Anyway, just something to watch out for if you are planning to sell a boat online, or know someone who is. --Gregg (they're actually sort of funny to read) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++ Hello Gregg, Am okay with the price $2500 if is in condition, regarding payment i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to make payment easier and faster is to instruct him procure a certisfied check what of $6000 and mail it to you on the address and name you want on the check and you know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to clear in the U.s.bank. But i would want to know if i can trust you to send back the balance to my shipper cos i like to make use of my own shipper who will be coming for the pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your location, can i trust you to transfering the balance to my shipper via western union money transfer the money must have cleared in your bank to enable him to arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in your location.But can I trust you for my balance? cause the balance of $3500 will be send to my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like you to forward me your full name in which the cheque will be made out to and also your full contact address to where the cheque will be sent to. so that i can forward it to my client to issue you the cheque immediately. your prompt responce will be of high intensity. best regards. james steve +++++ Good Day i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, genoa boat $2,500 )I will like to know if you would accept a certified cashier check for the payment,so i will want to get back to me with the (A) the reason why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i want you to get back to me with your full name and address including your phone number is also needed in which payment will be sent to .i have a shipping company who takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother about the shippment.I will also like to know if is still in good condition and shape.urgent response is needed for procedure of payment regard walker +++++++ Hello, My name is kim doyle,I was browsing across your advert that you are about selling your larger boat just want to know if it he still avaliable forsale becos i am really interested in buying it,so i will want you send me the pics and i will also like u to tell me your final asking price and its present condition bcos am really interested in buying it..... Await your response in moving this transaction forward. Regards kim doyle +++++++ Hello, can i know more about this item,and i would like you to let me know the condition,because a client is very interested in buying and she as authorise me to handel this sales so as for the payment would you accept check or a bank transfer directly to your account let me know and forward your full address so that payment can be made. -- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 mailto:gjm@macgra.com http://www.macgra.com _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From R22RumRunner at aol.com Thu Jun 2 20:36:01 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 2 19:36:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam Message-ID: <1ac.39901ee5.2fd0f1e1@aol.com> Why isn't E Bay shutting these assholes down? Rummy.....inquiring minds want to know. From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 18:07:59 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 2 20:08:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050603000759.13851.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greg, My experience with e-bay has been a mixed bag. I bought a conversion van on e-bay at a steal, the lowest bidder but below the reserve - worked a private deal with the car dealership. I followed that transaction with a purchase of a sewing machine. The seller shorted me the power cord. When I politely requested that he send me the cord, all hell broke loose. It was obviously a scam transaction. I filed a complaint and mediation action with e-bay. What a joke. After a while you get tired corresponding with Fatima in India and realize that e-bay doesn't give a shit as long as you don't sue them. The whole concept is a good idea but there are plenty of crooks on e-bay, and e-bay isn't going to do jack until they are sued. Most times it isn't worth it and they know it. I have also purchased a dingy and auto-pilot on e-bay and was pleasantly suprised with the transaction. It all depends on the seller. Buyer beware. If I ever get a chance to get my hands on the faggot that goes by the name of "felix-the-cat" I'll beat the living shit out of him. Then I'll think of somthing really mean to do. Happy e-baying! Brad --- "Gregg J. MacMillan" wrote: > > You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture 17 > for sale. I have it > listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This is > different than > selling at auction...it just sits there until > someone buys it) > > The reason for the post is the increasing number > of scam emails I > receive...about three each day...like the ones > below. It is becoming a > real problem trying to sell higher priced items > on ebay, especially at > auction. You go thru the whole auction process > and then it turns out > that one of these scam artists is the winning > bidder. > > The scam is that the certified check they send > you is counterfeit, but > that may not show up for a week or so. In the > mean time, you've sent > them the "shipping fee". > > Anyway, just something to watch out for if you > are planning to sell a > boat online, or know someone who is. > > --Gregg > > (they're actually sort of funny to read) > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ++++ > > Hello Gregg, > > Am okay with the price $2500 if is in condition, > regarding payment > i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to > make payment > easier and faster is to instruct him procure a > certisfied check what > of > $6000 and mail it to you on the address and name > you want on the check > and you > know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to > clear in the U.s.bank. > But i > would want to know if i can trust you to send > back the balance to my > shipper > cos i like to make use of my own shipper who will > be coming for the > pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your > location, can i trust you > to transfering the balance to my shipper via > western union money > transfer the money must have cleared in your bank > to enable him to > arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in your > location.But can I > trust you for my balance? cause the balance of > $3500 will be send to > my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like you > to forward me your > full name in which the cheque will be made out to > and also your full > contact address to where the cheque will be sent > to. so that i can > forward it to my client to issue you the cheque > immediately. your > prompt responce will be of high intensity. > > best regards. > > james steve > > +++++ > > Good Day > i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, > genoa boat $2,500 )I > will like to know if you would accept a certified > cashier check for > the payment,so i will want to get back to me > with the (A) the reason > why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i want > you to get back to me > with your full name and address including your > phone number is also > needed in which payment will be sent to .i have a > shipping company who > takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother > about the shippment.I > will also like to know if is still in good > condition and shape.urgent > response is needed for procedure of payment > regard > > walker > > +++++++ > > Hello, > My name is kim doyle,I was browsing across > your advert that you are > about selling your larger boat just want to know > if it he still > avaliable forsale becos i am really interested in > buying it,so i will > want you send me the pics and i will also like u > to tell me your final > asking price and its present condition bcos am > really interested in > buying it..... > Await your response in moving this transaction > forward. > Regards > > kim doyle > > +++++++ > > Hello, > > can i know more about this item,and i would > like you to let me know > the condition,because a client is very interested > in buying and she as > authorise me to handel this sales so as for the > payment would you > accept check or a bank transfer directly to your > account let me know > and forward your full address so that payment can > be made. > > -- > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s > > 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 > > 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 > > mailto:gjm@macgra.com > > http://www.macgra.com > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From saroj at pathfind.net Thu Jun 2 21:13:25 2005 From: saroj at pathfind.net (Saroj Gilbert) Date: Thu Jun 2 20:13:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam References: <20050603000759.13851.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02d701c567d1$0fc260f0$9ad76044@Buddha> Maybe "felix-the-cat" is a pseudonym for Felix Fig.. ever think of that? He's found you and is tormenting all of us now. I wonder if another bidder got the cord and no machine? Saroj ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad haslett" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam > Greg, > > My experience with e-bay has been a mixed bag. I > bought a conversion van on e-bay at a steal, the > lowest bidder but below the reserve - worked a private > deal with the car dealership. I followed that > transaction with a purchase of a sewing machine. The > seller shorted me the power cord. When I politely > requested that he send me the cord, all hell broke > loose. It was obviously a scam transaction. I filed > a complaint and mediation action with e-bay. What a > joke. After a while you get tired corresponding with > Fatima in India and realize that e-bay doesn't give a > shit as long as you don't sue them. The whole concept > is a good idea but there are plenty of crooks on > e-bay, and e-bay isn't going to do jack until they are > sued. Most times it isn't worth it and they know it. > I have also purchased a dingy and auto-pilot on e-bay > and was pleasantly suprised with the transaction. It > all depends on the seller. Buyer beware. If I ever > get a chance to get my hands on the faggot that goes > by the name of "felix-the-cat" I'll beat the living > shit out of him. Then I'll think of somthing really > mean to do. Happy e-baying! > > Brad > > --- "Gregg J. MacMillan" wrote: > >> >> You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture 17 >> for sale. I have it >> listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This is >> different than >> selling at auction...it just sits there until >> someone buys it) >> >> The reason for the post is the increasing number >> of scam emails I >> receive...about three each day...like the ones >> below. It is becoming a >> real problem trying to sell higher priced items >> on ebay, especially at >> auction. You go thru the whole auction process >> and then it turns out >> that one of these scam artists is the winning >> bidder. >> >> The scam is that the certified check they send >> you is counterfeit, but >> that may not show up for a week or so. In the >> mean time, you've sent >> them the "shipping fee". >> >> Anyway, just something to watch out for if you >> are planning to sell a >> boat online, or know someone who is. >> >> --Gregg >> >> (they're actually sort of funny to read) >> >> >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> ++++ >> >> Hello Gregg, >> >> Am okay with the price $2500 if is in condition, >> regarding payment >> i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to >> make payment >> easier and faster is to instruct him procure a >> certisfied check what >> of >> $6000 and mail it to you on the address and name >> you want on the check >> and you >> know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to >> clear in the U.s.bank. >> But i >> would want to know if i can trust you to send >> back the balance to my >> shipper >> cos i like to make use of my own shipper who will >> be coming for the >> pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your >> location, can i trust you >> to transfering the balance to my shipper via >> western union money >> transfer the money must have cleared in your bank >> to enable him to >> arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in your >> location.But can I >> trust you for my balance? cause the balance of >> $3500 will be send to >> my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like you >> to forward me your >> full name in which the cheque will be made out to >> and also your full >> contact address to where the cheque will be sent >> to. so that i can >> forward it to my client to issue you the cheque >> immediately. your >> prompt responce will be of high intensity. >> >> best regards. >> >> james steve >> >> +++++ >> >> Good Day >> i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, >> genoa boat $2,500 )I >> will like to know if you would accept a certified >> cashier check for >> the payment,so i will want to get back to me >> with the (A) the reason >> why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i want >> you to get back to me >> with your full name and address including your >> phone number is also >> needed in which payment will be sent to .i have a >> shipping company who >> takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother >> about the shippment.I >> will also like to know if is still in good >> condition and shape.urgent >> response is needed for procedure of payment >> regard >> >> walker >> >> +++++++ >> >> Hello, >> My name is kim doyle,I was browsing across >> your advert that you are >> about selling your larger boat just want to know >> if it he still >> avaliable forsale becos i am really interested in >> buying it,so i will >> want you send me the pics and i will also like u >> to tell me your final >> asking price and its present condition bcos am >> really interested in >> buying it..... >> Await your response in moving this transaction >> forward. >> Regards >> >> kim doyle >> >> +++++++ >> >> Hello, >> >> can i know more about this item,and i would >> like you to let me know >> the condition,because a client is very interested >> in buying and she as >> authorise me to handel this sales so as for the >> payment would you >> accept check or a bank transfer directly to your >> account let me know >> and forward your full address so that payment can >> be made. >> >> -- >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >> M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s >> >> 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 >> >> 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 >> >> mailto:gjm@macgra.com >> >> http://www.macgra.com >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >> www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From gjm at macgra.com Thu Jun 2 21:17:15 2005 From: gjm at macgra.com (Gregg J. MacMillan) Date: Thu Jun 2 20:17:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam In-Reply-To: <1ac.39901ee5.2fd0f1e1@aol.com> References: <1ac.39901ee5.2fd0f1e1@aol.com> Message-ID: >Why isn't E Bay shutting these assholes down? > >Rummy.....inquiring minds want to know. +++++ eBay does shut them down when they are reported. The problem is they just open a new Yahoo email account, signup with eBay again, and they are back in business. Also, since almost all of these people are from out of the country, it's hard to do anything about it. Often, they don't even go thru eBay. They browse eBay for items like boats for sale, then contact you directly if they can get your email address. I have mine in the description because I don't mind if legitimate buyers contact me that way. They also get on mail lists (like this one with names like felix fig with a Yahoo account) and "listen" for boats for sale. --Gregg From gjm at macgra.com Thu Jun 2 21:35:06 2005 From: gjm at macgra.com (Gregg J. MacMillan) Date: Thu Jun 2 20:35:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam In-Reply-To: <20050603000759.13851.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050603000759.13851.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brad-- I've had mostly good experiences. The problems I've had have been of the nuisance variety...annoying buyers or sellers, but I've just learned to expect that every now and then. I bought the Venture 17 that I'm selling now on eBay. Part of the deal was that the seller would deliver it within 100 miles. I think the auction ended on Saturday, he had it in my driveway on Sunday, about the same time my wife returned from a weekend trip. It took a little explaining, but I've learned that explaining usually works better than asking. :-) --Gregg -- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 mailto:gjm@macgra.com http://www.macgra.com _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 2 22:21:22 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 2 21:21:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Explaining In-Reply-To: References: <20050603000759.13851.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <429FB092.3060703@effros.com> "It took a little explaining, but I've learned that explaining usually works better than asking. :-) " Why didn't I learn that sooner? Bill Effros Gregg J. MacMillan wrote: > Brad-- > > I've had mostly good experiences. The problems I've had have been of > the nuisance variety...annoying buyers or sellers, but I've just > learned to expect that every now and then. > > I bought the Venture 17 that I'm selling now on eBay. Part of the deal > was that the seller would deliver it within 100 miles. I think the > auction ended on Saturday, he had it in my driveway on Sunday, about > the same time my wife returned from a weekend trip. It took a little > explaining, but I've learned that explaining usually works better than > asking. :-) > > --Gregg > > From razsail at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 23:00:36 2005 From: razsail at gmail.com (raz) Date: Thu Jun 2 22:01:50 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This scamming is not limited to eBay. I had a Mud Hen 17 I posted on a very niche web site in FL, and ultimately sold it, but along the way I had a series of exchanges with a 'buyer' in the UK who wanted to pay me and then have me ship it to him. Here's his email: Business is all about trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Inbox Adams campell to me More options May 27 (6 days ago) HI Raz, Thanks for your response..A client of mine is owing me some amount of money and when i discuss with him that I was surfing the net when I came across a boat and I have interest in purchasing it and he told me that he will do the payment for me.Kindly do me this favour immediately you receive the cheque $8,000 deduct your own parts and send the excess $4,000 to the shipping company that will be coming for the pick up of the boat.Do send me the following information for my client to be able to prepare you the cheque without any further delay FULLNAME............................. CONTACT ADDRESS................... CITY............... STATE....... POST CODE........ CONTACT PHONE NUMBER........... COUNTRY................. Thanks, Hope to hear from you soon. You're Blessed Campell. (I was especially blessed b/c I passed on this opportunity!) On 6/2/05, Gregg J. MacMillan wrote: > > You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture 17 for sale. I have it > listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This is different than > selling at auction...it just sits there until someone buys it) > > The reason for the post is the increasing number of scam emails I > receive...about three each day...like the ones below. It is becoming a > real problem trying to sell higher priced items on ebay, especially at > auction. You go thru the whole auction process and then it turns out > that one of these scam artists is the winning bidder. > > The scam is that the certified check they send you is counterfeit, but > that may not show up for a week or so. In the mean time, you've sent > them the "shipping fee". > > Anyway, just something to watch out for if you are planning to sell a > boat online, or know someone who is. > > --Gregg > > (they're actually sort of funny to read) > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ++++ > > Hello Gregg, > > Am okay with the price $2500 if is in condition, regarding payment > i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to make payment > easier and faster is to instruct him procure a certisfied check what > of > $6000 and mail it to you on the address and name you want on the check > and you > know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to clear in the U.s.bank. > But i > would want to know if i can trust you to send back the balance to my > shipper > cos i like to make use of my own shipper who will be coming for the > pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your location, can i trust you > to transfering the balance to my shipper via western union money > transfer the money must have cleared in your bank to enable him to > arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in your location.But can I > trust you for my balance? cause the balance of $3500 will be send to > my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like you to forward me your > full name in which the cheque will be made out to and also your full > contact address to where the cheque will be sent to. so that i can > forward it to my client to issue you the cheque immediately. your > prompt responce will be of high intensity. > > best regards. > > james steve > > +++++ > > Good Day > i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, genoa boat $2,500 )I > will like to know if you would accept a certified cashier check for > the payment,so i will want to get back to me with the (A) the reason > why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i want you to get back to me > with your full name and address including your phone number is also > needed in which payment will be sent to .i have a shipping company who > takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother about the shippment.I > will also like to know if is still in good condition and shape.urgent > response is needed for procedure of payment > regard > > walker > > +++++++ > > Hello, > My name is kim doyle,I was browsing across your advert that you are > about selling your larger boat just want to know if it he still > avaliable forsale becos i am really interested in buying it,so i will > want you send me the pics and i will also like u to tell me your final > asking price and its present condition bcos am really interested in > buying it..... > Await your response in moving this transaction > forward. > Regards > > kim doyle > > +++++++ > > Hello, > > can i know more about this item,and i would like you to let me know > the condition,because a client is very interested in buying and she as > authorise me to handel this sales so as for the payment would you > accept check or a bank transfer directly to your account let me know > and forward your full address so that payment can be made. > > -- > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s > > 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 > > 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 > > mailto:gjm@macgra.com > > http://www.macgra.com > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From robert at squirrelhaven.com Thu Jun 2 23:22:53 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Thu Jun 2 22:22:59 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad - Air Conditioning References: <20050530121833.71255.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <429F0025.30606@effros.com> Message-ID: <429FBEFD.713D6128@squirrelhaven.com> Bill Effros wrote: > How about hoisting the generator up the mast? > It only weighs 20 something pounds. > You could connect the output to your shore power input. A novel idea - but having 125v running around next to an aluminum mast in wet weather or rough seas puts it in the nozone. Let's keep working on this a while. /Bob From hparsons at parsonsys.com Fri Jun 3 00:41:20 2005 From: hparsons at parsonsys.com (Herb Parsons) Date: Fri Jun 3 00:36:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam Message-ID: I had the same problem when I tried to sell a car on eBay. After relisting the car for the third time (well, listing it the third time, I guess I actually RElisted it twice) I figured out how to get it past the scammers who kept interfereing with actual bids (by using "buy it now" and then not really buying). I required an immediate paypal deposit, or the item remained listed. I don't remember exactly how they worded that option, but it worked for me. >>> gjm@macgra.com 6/2/2005 3:13 PM >>> You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture 17 for sale. I have it listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This is different than selling at auction...it just sits there until someone buys it) The reason for the post is the increasing number of scam emails I receive...about three each day...like the ones below. It is becoming a real problem trying to sell higher priced items on ebay, especially at auction. You go thru the whole auction process and then it turns out that one of these scam artists is the winning bidder. The scam is that the certified check they send you is counterfeit, but that may not show up for a week or so. In the mean time, you've sent them the "shipping fee". Anyway, just something to watch out for if you are planning to sell a boat online, or know someone who is. --Gregg (they're actually sort of funny to read) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++ Hello Gregg, Am okay with the price $2500 if is in condition, regarding payment i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to make payment easier and faster is to instruct him procure a certisfied check what of $6000 and mail it to you on the address and name you want on the check and you know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to clear in the U.s.bank. But i would want to know if i can trust you to send back the balance to my shipper cos i like to make use of my own shipper who will be coming for the pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your location, can i trust you to transfering the balance to my shipper via western union money transfer the money must have cleared in your bank to enable him to arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in your location.But can I trust you for my balance? cause the balance of $3500 will be send to my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like you to forward me your full name in which the cheque will be made out to and also your full contact address to where the cheque will be sent to. so that i can forward it to my client to issue you the cheque immediately. your prompt responce will be of high intensity. best regards. james steve +++++ Good Day i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, genoa boat $2,500 )I will like to know if you would accept a certified cashier check for the payment,so i will want to get back to me with the (A) the reason why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i want you to get back to me with your full name and address including your phone number is also needed in which payment will be sent to .i have a shipping company who takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother about the shippment.I will also like to know if is still in good condition and shape.urgent response is needed for procedure of payment regard walker +++++++ Hello, My name is kim doyle,I was browsing across your advert that you are about selling your larger boat just want to know if it he still avaliable forsale becos i am really interested in buying it,so i will want you send me the pics and i will also like u to tell me your final asking price and its present condition bcos am really interested in buying it..... Await your response in moving this transaction forward. Regards kim doyle +++++++ Hello, can i know more about this item,and i would like you to let me know the condition,because a client is very interested in buying and she as authorise me to handel this sales so as for the payment would you accept check or a bank transfer directly to your account let me know and forward your full address so that payment can be made. -- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 mailto:gjm@macgra.com http://www.macgra.com _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From hparsons at parsonsys.com Fri Jun 3 00:42:09 2005 From: hparsons at parsonsys.com (Herb Parsons) Date: Fri Jun 3 00:37:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam Message-ID: They constantly re-register under different email addresses, sometimes actually buying (and paying for) some small priced items to "establish" themselves. >>> R22RumRunner@aol.com 6/2/2005 6:36 PM >>> Why isn't E Bay shutting these assholes down? Rummy.....inquiring minds want to know. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 3 08:55:10 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 3 07:55:18 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad and Felix In-Reply-To: <02d701c567d1$0fc260f0$9ad76044@Buddha> Message-ID: <000001c56833$188976d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Saroj: Now we have the answer...except that Felix left or was ejected by Michael. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: For Bill W: http://www.nps.gov/caha/livecam.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Saroj Gilbert Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:13 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam Maybe "felix-the-cat" is a pseudonym for Felix Fig.. ever think of that? He's found you and is tormenting all of us now. I wonder if another bidder got the cord and no machine? Saroj ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad haslett" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam > Greg, > > My experience with e-bay has been a mixed bag. I > bought a conversion van on e-bay at a steal, the > lowest bidder but below the reserve - worked a private > deal with the car dealership. I followed that > transaction with a purchase of a sewing machine. The > seller shorted me the power cord. When I politely > requested that he send me the cord, all hell broke > loose. It was obviously a scam transaction. I filed > a complaint and mediation action with e-bay. What a > joke. After a while you get tired corresponding with > Fatima in India and realize that e-bay doesn't give a > shit as long as you don't sue them. The whole concept > is a good idea but there are plenty of crooks on > e-bay, and e-bay isn't going to do jack until they are > sued. Most times it isn't worth it and they know it. > I have also purchased a dingy and auto-pilot on e-bay > and was pleasantly suprised with the transaction. It > all depends on the seller. Buyer beware. If I ever > get a chance to get my hands on the faggot that goes > by the name of "felix-the-cat" I'll beat the living > shit out of him. Then I'll think of somthing really > mean to do. Happy e-baying! > > Brad > > --- "Gregg J. MacMillan" wrote: > >> >> You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture 17 >> for sale. I have it >> listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This is >> different than >> selling at auction...it just sits there until >> someone buys it) >> >> The reason for the post is the increasing number >> of scam emails I >> receive...about three each day...like the ones >> below. It is becoming a >> real problem trying to sell higher priced items >> on ebay, especially at >> auction. You go thru the whole auction process >> and then it turns out >> that one of these scam artists is the winning >> bidder. >> >> The scam is that the certified check they send >> you is counterfeit, but >> that may not show up for a week or so. In the >> mean time, you've sent >> them the "shipping fee". >> >> Anyway, just something to watch out for if you >> are planning to sell a >> boat online, or know someone who is. >> >> --Gregg >> >> (they're actually sort of funny to read) >> >> >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> ++++ >> >> Hello Gregg, >> >> Am okay with the price $2500 if is in condition, >> regarding payment >> i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to >> make payment >> easier and faster is to instruct him procure a >> certisfied check what >> of >> $6000 and mail it to you on the address and name >> you want on the check >> and you >> know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to >> clear in the U.s.bank. >> But i >> would want to know if i can trust you to send >> back the balance to my >> shipper >> cos i like to make use of my own shipper who will >> be coming for the >> pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your >> location, can i trust you >> to transfering the balance to my shipper via >> western union money >> transfer the money must have cleared in your bank >> to enable him to >> arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in your >> location.But can I >> trust you for my balance? cause the balance of >> $3500 will be send to >> my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like you >> to forward me your >> full name in which the cheque will be made out to >> and also your full >> contact address to where the cheque will be sent >> to. so that i can >> forward it to my client to issue you the cheque >> immediately. your >> prompt responce will be of high intensity. >> >> best regards. >> >> james steve >> >> +++++ >> >> Good Day >> i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, >> genoa boat $2,500 )I >> will like to know if you would accept a certified >> cashier check for >> the payment,so i will want to get back to me >> with the (A) the reason >> why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i want >> you to get back to me >> with your full name and address including your >> phone number is also >> needed in which payment will be sent to .i have a >> shipping company who >> takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother >> about the shippment.I >> will also like to know if is still in good >> condition and shape.urgent >> response is needed for procedure of payment >> regard >> >> walker >> >> +++++++ >> >> Hello, >> My name is kim doyle,I was browsing across >> your advert that you are >> about selling your larger boat just want to know >> if it he still >> avaliable forsale becos i am really interested in >> buying it,so i will >> want you send me the pics and i will also like u >> to tell me your final >> asking price and its present condition bcos am >> really interested in >> buying it..... >> Await your response in moving this transaction >> forward. >> Regards >> >> kim doyle >> >> +++++++ >> >> Hello, >> >> can i know more about this item,and i would >> like you to let me know >> the condition,because a client is very interested >> in buying and she as >> authorise me to handel this sales so as for the >> payment would you >> accept check or a bank transfer directly to your >> account let me know >> and forward your full address so that payment can >> be made. >> >> -- >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >> M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s >> >> 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 >> >> 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 >> >> mailto:gjm@macgra.com >> >> http://www.macgra.com >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >> www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. 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I sent the e-bay mediator a photo of the power cord from the original auction site. After about 19 back-and-forth correspondences she (from her desk in India or the Phillipines, or wherever) declared we were at an impass and ended mediation. All I asked for was a cord. To this day I can't tell you whether this Pfaff 262 machine works or not. My guess is no, but who knows, I can't find a cord. The seller has thousands of very, very, wordy and positive feedback postings on small ticket items. You get the impression he writes them himself. The negative feedback items are on bigger ticket items and are simular in nature to my experience. The whole mediation process is a joke and it wasn't worth a day of my time to take this guy to small claims court, to win what?, a judgement on some guy in California I'll never collect. There are some real sleazy professional scammers on e-bay. I found one. Brad --- ed kroposki wrote: > Saroj: > Now we have the answer...except that Felix left or > was ejected by > Michael. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Addendum: For Bill W: > http://www.nps.gov/caha/livecam.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Saroj Gilbert > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:13 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam > > Maybe "felix-the-cat" is a pseudonym for Felix Fig.. > ever think of that? > He's found you and is tormenting all of us now. > > I wonder if another bidder got the cord and no > machine? > > Saroj > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brad haslett" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam > > > > Greg, > > > > My experience with e-bay has been a mixed bag. I > > bought a conversion van on e-bay at a steal, the > > lowest bidder but below the reserve - worked a > private > > deal with the car dealership. I followed that > > transaction with a purchase of a sewing machine. > The > > seller shorted me the power cord. When I politely > > requested that he send me the cord, all hell broke > > loose. It was obviously a scam transaction. I > filed > > a complaint and mediation action with e-bay. What > a > > joke. After a while you get tired corresponding > with > > Fatima in India and realize that e-bay doesn't > give a > > shit as long as you don't sue them. The whole > concept > > is a good idea but there are plenty of crooks on > > e-bay, and e-bay isn't going to do jack until they > are > > sued. Most times it isn't worth it and they know > it. > > I have also purchased a dingy and auto-pilot on > e-bay > > and was pleasantly suprised with the transaction. > It > > all depends on the seller. Buyer beware. If I > ever > > get a chance to get my hands on the faggot that > goes > > by the name of "felix-the-cat" I'll beat the > living > > shit out of him. Then I'll think of somthing > really > > mean to do. Happy e-baying! > > > > Brad > > > > --- "Gregg J. MacMillan" wrote: > > > >> > >> You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture > 17 > >> for sale. I have it > >> listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This > is > >> different than > >> selling at auction...it just sits there until > >> someone buys it) > >> > >> The reason for the post is the increasing > number > >> of scam emails I > >> receive...about three each day...like the ones > >> below. It is becoming a > >> real problem trying to sell higher priced > items > >> on ebay, especially at > >> auction. You go thru the whole auction process > >> and then it turns out > >> that one of these scam artists is the winning > >> bidder. > >> > >> The scam is that the certified check they send > >> you is counterfeit, but > >> that may not show up for a week or so. In the > >> mean time, you've sent > >> them the "shipping fee". > >> > >> Anyway, just something to watch out for if you > >> are planning to sell a > >> boat online, or know someone who is. > >> > >> --Gregg > >> > >> (they're actually sort of funny to read) > >> > >> > >> > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> ++++ > >> > >> Hello Gregg, > >> > >> Am okay with the price $2500 if is in > condition, > >> regarding payment > >> i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to > >> make payment > >> easier and faster is to instruct him procure a > >> certisfied check what > >> of > >> $6000 and mail it to you on the address and > name > >> you want on the check > >> and you > >> know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to > >> clear in the U.s.bank. > >> But i > >> would want to know if i can trust you to send > >> back the balance to my > >> shipper > >> cos i like to make use of my own shipper who > will > >> be coming for the > >> pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your > >> location, can i trust you > >> to transfering the balance to my shipper via > >> western union money > >> transfer the money must have cleared in your > bank > >> to enable him to > >> arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in > your > >> location.But can I > >> trust you for my balance? cause the balance of > >> $3500 will be send to > >> my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like > you > >> to forward me your > >> full name in which the cheque will be made out > to > >> and also your full > >> contact address to where the cheque will be > sent > >> to. so that i can > >> forward it to my client to issue you the > cheque > >> immediately. your > >> prompt responce will be of high intensity. > >> > >> best regards. > >> > >> james steve > >> > >> +++++ > >> > >> Good Day > >> i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, > >> genoa boat $2,500 )I > >> will like to know if you would accept a > certified > >> cashier check for > >> the payment,so i will want to get back to me > >> with the (A) the reason > >> why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i > want > >> you to get back to me > >> with your full name and address including your > >> phone number is also > >> needed in which payment will be sent to .i > have a > >> shipping company who > >> takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother > >> about the shippment.I > >> will also like to know if is still in good > >> condition and shape.urgent > >> response is needed for procedure of payment > >> regard > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 07:40:58 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 3 09:41:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mother of All Scams Message-ID: <20050603134058.42880.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Talking about e-bay scams reminded me of this horror story. This is pretty long so if you have something important to do, or even if you don't, you should probably hit delete now and have a nice day. MOTHER OF ALL SCAMS It's been a few years now so finally I can tell this story without wanting to blow something up. After I sold my farm outside Nashville I purchased a small home in Memphis for a "crash pad" and tax home. The idea was to spend most of my time on a sailboat in San Diego (you can get slip space for $325/month five minutes walk from the SAN terminal). The short version of an even longer story is I met a Chinese co-worker on one of my flights to SAN, and before long, we were married and moving to the suburbs. I still got the sailboat, just not in California. I put the little house on the market with a real estate agent in the neighborhood that we had become close friends with. We got an early extremely low-ball offer from another real estate agent and I didn't even bother to counter. After six months I told my agent that if the house didn't sell by the next weekend I was taking it off the market and renting it and the garage apartment behind it out. The same agent that had earlier made the low-ball offer came back with a more realistic one but with a gazillion conditions, one being that I secure permission to build on the extra lot associated with the property. I countered with absolutely no conditions other that financing and stated vehemently I wasn't interested in doing any legwork for a buyer. At that point I really didn't care whether it sold or not. The buyer wanted to delay closing for four months so she could sell her home and I agreed after raising the earnest money deposit to $2000. A week before closing she asked to re-finish the floors and start moving in, which she did. The day before scheduled closing she called my agent to say she couldn't get financing and wanted her earnest money back. She also accused us of fraudently misrepresenting the extra lot as a buildable lot. I told her to go pound sand. Then her boss called, (her broker), and asked for the earnest money AND re-imbursement for re-finishing the floors. I told him to go pound sand, and suggested an oriface where he could deposit the contract. A month later I got sued for the earnest money, the floor re-finishing, the closing costs on the house she sold, the closing costs on the house she bought, and treble the damages under the Tennessee Consumer Protection act for a total of $32,000+. They also had a hearing set to freeze my assets and my agents assets for $200,000 for possible punitive damages. By co-incidence, my agent and I used the same attorney (my agent's husband was a tax attorney and went to law school with my attorney). He advised us to give the earnest money back and settle out of court, it just wasn't worth the effort and risk. WHAT RISK?, I asked. He explained that he'd seen some pretty goofy things happen over the years and "you never know". While waiting for the court date I went to the Shelby County codes department and asked for a letter stating my extra lot was available for building. My records "got lost" for three weeks. We settled out of court for $2000 and a few weeks later my building permission request "got found". I filed a complaint with the Tennessee Real Estate Commission against the agent/buyer and her broker and after six months they threw the case out for insufficient evidence. What really happened was the buyer found another property she wanted and backed out of buying mine. From the time she defaulted on my contract until she bought, financed, and moved in the other property was three weeks. The happy ending to all this is that a builder friend of mine and I built a spec home on the extra lot a year later. I made enough money on the home to fund my daughters 529 plan and pay for her college to any school in the country when she was only one year old. I still have the house which I rent to fellow pilots as a "crash pad" and the garage apartment to a professor at the U of M. Now I don't have to mow the extra lot or pay taxes on it. Nothing suprises me anymore but I learned this: make an earnest money deposit either one dollar or $100,000. Anything in between isn't worth the hassle. The next time I sell real-estate I'm calling Bill Effros! Brad Haslett "CoraShen" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From R22RumRunner at aol.com Fri Jun 3 14:17:45 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 3 13:17:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad and Felix Message-ID: <204.2e8b96e.2fd1eab9@aol.com> _http://www.sewnvac.com/index.shtml_ (http://www.sewnvac.com/index.shtml) Brad, This site might be able to help you with the cord. Rummy From jwtyler at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 14:27:13 2005 From: jwtyler at gmail.com (Jay of the Black Tower) Date: Fri Jun 3 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay In-Reply-To: References: <000001c5676d$8eb770d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <69cfc578050603102715a0d59b@mail.gmail.com> Hey all thanks for the responses. To answer all the questions I have seen so far. I have no idea what the boat had done to end up at a local church parking lot. I have little marine rehab experience. I do have Upholstery, basic carpentry, extensive wood working and general handy guy experience. But I dont want to have to do tooo much work. The moniker is the result of setting up Gmail as a try out and then being to lazy to fix the weird moniker. And the Location of the boat is Akron, OH but it was floated out of Sandusky I beleive. From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 3 16:49:21 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 3 15:49:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay In-Reply-To: <69cfc578050603102715a0d59b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801c56875$5629a7c0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Jay: You have answered several of the questions, except the most important. That is, what is your planned monetary outlay and what would you really be able to part with (if your wife is in this possible deal, post a picture). Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jay of the Black Tower Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:27 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay Hey all thanks for the responses. To answer all the questions I have seen so far. I have no idea what the boat had done to end up at a local church parking lot. I have little marine rehab experience. I do have Upholstery, basic carpentry, extensive wood working and general handy guy experience. But I dont want to have to do tooo much work. The moniker is the result of setting up Gmail as a try out and then being to lazy to fix the weird moniker. And the Location of the boat is Akron, OH but it was floated out of Sandusky I beleive. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 13:55:20 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 3 15:55:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Not a Joke, just Dam Funny Message-ID: <20050603195521.32339.qmail@web32908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan. This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter. SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County Dear Mr. DeVries: It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dam! s partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2003. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. Si! ncerely, David L. Price District Representati ve and Water Management Division. Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries: Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County. Dear Mr. Price, Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed to me to respond to. I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan. A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity. My first dam question to you is: (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several concerns. My first concern is; aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English. In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams). So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2003? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office. THANK YOU. RYAN DEVRIES & THE DAM BEAVERS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 3 18:56:21 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Fri Jun 3 18:02:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <000001c5676d$8eb770d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died down... Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have enjoyed enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this site? Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get over the intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and head for open water quite quickly. But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... Thanks. Phyllis Whisper Keyport > From: "ed kroposki" > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay > > Jay, > We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional > identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do for a > sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. > As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in > order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. > So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a > religious experience or guilt trip? > Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have > you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. Have > you explored the archives of this site? > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From jsail1 at verizon.net Fri Jun 3 19:04:03 2005 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (Jay Friedland) Date: Fri Jun 3 18:04:17 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phyllis- Still on call-your place or mine. Jay On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: > Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died down... > > Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have > enjoyed > enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- > > and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this site? > > Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier > horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. > Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get over > the > intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without > encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. > > Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and > head for > open water quite quickly. > > But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... > > Thanks. > Phyllis > Whisper > Keyport > > > >> From: "ed kroposki" >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >> >> Jay, >> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >> identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do for >> a >> sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in >> order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >> So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >> religious experience or guilt trip? >> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >> you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >> Have >> you explored the archives of this site? >> >> Ed K >> Greenville, SC, USA >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 3 19:13:12 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Fri Jun 3 18:19:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Jay, thanks for the offer. Mike and I are hoping for Sunday to go out from Keyport but it wouldn't be til 2 likely. The forecast is for 85 and humid...now that sounds like pretty tame sailing weather. We went and sat on her on Memorial Day after my daughter finished her parade route. Beautiful breezes from 5-15 I would say, but there was a threat of that thunderstorm, well, so we sat and did some cleaning. We did very much enjoy the drink at the club afterwards. So, let's stay in touch and see. Is your boat in at LBI now? Are weekdays ever a possibility for you? Also, funny thing is that I haven't met the owner but there is another Rhodes 22 moored right beside ours. The guy sails, I hear, about 122 days a year which isn't too shabby for NJ ( OK some exaggeration possibly)...the boat yard owner who is renting us our mooring, told me the other Rhodie headed out to the Rhodes 22, and almost boarded our boat-he was so surprised to see another Rhodes 22 moored there. He has a traditional mainsail with a furling genoa jib. Eventually it should be interesting to see how our IMF sails along side of his traditional mainsail... I am still waiting to see if I will be satisfied with how close you can point with the IMF main. But just sailing the boat will be fine!! We did it last year dealing with strong currents and a dock...a mooring should be easier. Right, Bill? Phyllis Whisper Keyport > From: Jay Friedland > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:04:03 -0400 > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site > > Phyllis- > Still on call-your place or mine. > Jay > > On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: > >> Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died down... >> >> Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have >> enjoyed >> enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- >> >> and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this site? >> >> Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier >> horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. >> Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get over >> the >> intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without >> encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. >> >> Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and >> head for >> open water quite quickly. >> >> But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... >> >> Thanks. >> Phyllis >> Whisper >> Keyport >> >> >> >>> From: "ed kroposki" >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >>> >>> Jay, >>> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >>> identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do for >>> a >>> sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >>> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in >>> order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >>> So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >>> religious experience or guilt trip? >>> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >>> you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >>> Have >>> you explored the archives of this site? >>> >>> Ed K >>> Greenville, SC, USA >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From barfrank at hollywoodbytheseafl.com Fri Jun 3 18:16:31 2005 From: barfrank at hollywoodbytheseafl.com (Richard Frank) Date: Fri Jun 3 18:32:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY Message-ID: <004501c56881$886111e0$6101a8c0@pc> I AM PLANNING ON A PURCHASE OF A RHODES 22 FOR USE ON BISCAYNE BAY AND KEYS AREA. ANY COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT I SHOULD CONSIDER WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANKS, RICHARD From FCrawford0707 at aol.com Fri Jun 3 20:13:23 2005 From: FCrawford0707 at aol.com (FCrawford0707@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:13:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a change of pace) Message-ID: <1ac.39a2be9e.2fd23e13@aol.com> Stan, Rose and Rhodies - Andrea and I are back home , having made the first leg of our Homeward Bound trip from Edenton to Avalon. We pulled in to the Sailing Emporium in Rock Hall Thursday afternoon, where we will berth Sunday Morning for most of June, before heading up the rest of the Bay and then down the Delaware Bay. Our trip was was a great experience - met some really nice "cruisers" along the way and experienced a great variety of wind and weather conditions,as well as the several different personalities of the Chesapeake Bay. Andrea, a reluctant participant in the planning, was a cheerful and helpful - indeed essential - sailor, whose good judgment kept us in good stead along the way. You can imagine our surprise to see Stan and Rose at the Dismal Swamp Visitors Center, where we were rafted up after day 2 of the trip to two other boats - of course we were the smallest by far. Stan spotted the red genoa cover and IMF triangle and we both were a bit proud of the way "our" Rhodes held herself in the company of the 35 footers she was rafted to - she did indeed look spiffy. We'll try to give some more details of our experience later on, but as a synopsis, we explored the Albemarle Sound (winding up in the Elizabeth City town docks after midnight of our first day), then thru the Dismal Swamp Canal (locking through was great fun in perfect weather conditions). We then stopped at Waterside in Norfolk for the next night - noisy and busy, but great fun as a contrast to the tranquility of the Dismal and the upper Pasquatank River (from Elizabeth City to the Canal, a truly beautiful stretch). The next day our Plan A was to make Deltaville - we settled for Plan B, Horn Harbor, a very rural setting, where we were welcomed and paid the lowest slip fee of our trip. We then crossed the Bay to Tangier Island - an experience not to be missed - I almost fell of the boat when we pulled up to the dock and saw a very large power cruiser (wasn't a trawler) with "Sunday Morning" lettered across her stern. The dockmaster was the single most patient man I've ever met - the slip was way, way too big for our 22 and Andrea and I struggled for a seeming eternity to get our lines properly positioned. We got too late a start the next day, walking around the island and dodging golf carts, but still managed to across to the Western shore,arriving at Solomons a little before sunset. We liked it so much that we planned a "lay day', to do some wash, shopping, walking around - but the weather report the next morning indicated that our lucky string of sunny days was about to end abruptly on Thursday ( this was now Wednesday morning) so we again went to Plan B and hightailed it up the Bay to Herrington Harbour, with weather conditions rapidly deteriorating as we approached Herring Bay. We thought that this was to be the end of the first leg, but the Thursday morning WX was better than anticipated (10 to 15 kn easterlies, but only showers, rather than steady rain as previously forecast). So we set out early for Annapolis, then again went to B plan, since we were doing ok into the weather as we approached Annapolis, and so decided to press on to Rock Hall Since I still have a day job, we broke the cardinal rule of cruising of not adhering to a schedule - as a result , we did more motoring than sailing, although we did get some good sailing in at times. The Yamaha 8-horse was a trooper , I felt the battened IMF was a definite improvement in performance. I would characterize the trip as two-thirds passage to one-third cruise - if you would do something similar, reverse the percentages and you will get more sailing time and less motoring. We feel good about accomplishing our primary goal - transiting the Dismal Swamp Canal and up the Chesapeake Bay - safely and yet with moments of anxiety that any such journey will inevitably bring. For those of you who have never locked into a canal, I would recommend the experience - we had a lot of fun and the comraderie added to the experience. From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 3 20:14:08 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:14:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad's Funny In-Reply-To: <20050603195521.32339.qmail@web32908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201c56891$f23feef0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Brad, This has been circulating the internet for at least a year. Must have been here before you came back on. Come on now, give us new material. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: You have got the boat to go here: www.leonardsworlds.com/listing/port/port_st_thomas_virgin_is.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of brad haslett Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:55 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Not a Joke, just Dam Funny This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan. This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter. SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County Dear Mr. DeVries: It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dam! s partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2003. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. Si! ncerely, David L. Price District Representati ve and Water Management Division. Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries: Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County. Dear Mr. Price, Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed to me to respond to. I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan. A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity. My first dam question to you is: (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several concerns. My first concern is; aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English. In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams). So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2003? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office. THANK YOU. RYAN DEVRIES & THE DAM BEAVERS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 3 20:21:14 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:21:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY In-Reply-To: <004501c56881$886111e0$6101a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <000301c56892$f3209580$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Richard, We here you. On email list Capital Letters indicate yelling. There used to be a guy who had a R 22 in the keys, but he sold it last year, I think. Your nearest active Rhodie is on the west coast, ask for Captain Bob. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Sailing on Rummy's private impoundment, aka, Lake Hartwell: www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/ and see the road to Lake Hartwell: (see # 56): www.dot.state.sc.us/getting/cams/AndersonCam.asp -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Frank Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:17 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY I AM PLANNING ON A PURCHASE OF A RHODES 22 FOR USE ON BISCAYNE BAY AND KEYS AREA. ANY COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT I SHOULD CONSIDER WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANKS, RICHARD __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Fri Jun 3 20:29:19 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:29:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY Message-ID: <1d8.3e29aa6a.2fd241cf@aol.com> Ed, Where is Capt. Dick this time of year? Rummy From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 3 20:30:47 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:30:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching for Bill E In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c56894$48b33600$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Phyllis: Jay piped up fast, however, he did not answer your question. Ask that guy from the other side of Hudson the question that you asked. Where is Bill on this one? There is also a guru in Florida on this subject. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA This one is for Bill and Richard: www.leonardsworlds.com/listing/parks/statue_of_liberty.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of P&M Beals Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:13 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site Hey Jay, thanks for the offer. Mike and I are hoping for Sunday to go out from Keyport but it wouldn't be til 2 likely. The forecast is for 85 and humid...now that sounds like pretty tame sailing weather. We went and sat on her on Memorial Day after my daughter finished her parade route. Beautiful breezes from 5-15 I would say, but there was a threat of that thunderstorm, well, so we sat and did some cleaning. We did very much enjoy the drink at the club afterwards. So, let's stay in touch and see. Is your boat in at LBI now? Are weekdays ever a possibility for you? Also, funny thing is that I haven't met the owner but there is another Rhodes 22 moored right beside ours. The guy sails, I hear, about 122 days a year which isn't too shabby for NJ ( OK some exaggeration possibly)...the boat yard owner who is renting us our mooring, told me the other Rhodie headed out to the Rhodes 22, and almost boarded our boat-he was so surprised to see another Rhodes 22 moored there. He has a traditional mainsail with a furling genoa jib. Eventually it should be interesting to see how our IMF sails along side of his traditional mainsail... I am still waiting to see if I will be satisfied with how close you can point with the IMF main. But just sailing the boat will be fine!! We did it last year dealing with strong currents and a dock...a mooring should be easier. Right, Bill? Phyllis Whisper Keyport > From: Jay Friedland > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:04:03 -0400 > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site > > Phyllis- > Still on call-your place or mine. > Jay > > On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: > >> Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died down... >> >> Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have >> enjoyed >> enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- >> >> and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this site? >> >> Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier >> horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. >> Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get over >> the >> intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without >> encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. >> >> Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and >> head for >> open water quite quickly. >> >> But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... >> >> Thanks. >> Phyllis >> Whisper >> Keyport >> >> >> >>> From: "ed kroposki" >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >>> >>> Jay, >>> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >>> identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do for >>> a >>> sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >>> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in >>> order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >>> So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >>> religious experience or guilt trip? >>> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >>> you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >>> Have >>> you explored the archives of this site? >>> >>> Ed K >>> Greenville, SC, USA >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 3 20:32:38 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:32:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY In-Reply-To: <1d8.3e29aa6a.2fd241cf@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c56894$8a579010$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Oops, Capt Bob... -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of R22RumRunner@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 7:29 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY Ed, Where is Capt. Dick this time of year? Rummy __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jsail1 at verizon.net Fri Jun 3 20:20:53 2005 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (Jay Friedland) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:43:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phyllis, My boat went in last Friday-2 months later than planned. Still a little shakedown items to take care of but very sailable (12-15 kts. last Sunday when we went out for 3 hours). Weekdays are possible as I'm away from the island on Tuesdays and Wednesdays only, but could shift it a day with enough notice and hope of good weather (i.e. challenging winds, etc.). FYI- although I am envious of your Rhodie neighbor, few people even outside NJ have sailed more than either of us, especially last year without my current job commitment. I consider myself extreeeeeeemely fortunate to be mostly available when my job needed me-rarely, but otherwise stationed within a few miles of my boat when not aboard. When most people had their afternoon martini ritual, I had my 3-4 hour sail, sometimes twice a day or more, even through the night. With over 9 months in the water (last year, December 12 was in the 60's and great sailing weather), I logged 800+ nm. on my knotmeter, just locally in the bay and ocean. Being on land was an adjustment. I remember some of your concerns on the IMF vs. standard rig, and the IMF is a tradeoff for its convenience and quick reefing ability. Polling Rhodies, the numbers bear out why its a key benefit and not a great difference. Stan is always addressing owners needs and the new main answers that. From my first experience with the original vertical batten in NC, the new IMF main closes the gap in both pointing ability and speed, but I'd get a year so with the current rig before you decide. Others have spent some time with it, and so far I think it's all favorable. But just learning the boat's handling will keep you busy for a few years anyway. Let me know your schedule before the roads get too crowded and the water is the only way to travel. Lower Barnegat is so shallow, power boats just stay mostly in the channel and away from 60% of the bay. Ask Bill E. how uncrowded we are in the middle of June- hove-to in the middle of the bay. Bill, are we on for our traditional Father's day get-together?? Jay On Jun 3, 2005, at 6:13 PM, P&M Beals wrote: > Hey Jay, thanks for the offer. > Mike and I are hoping for Sunday to go out from Keyport but it > wouldn't be > til 2 likely. The forecast is for 85 and humid...now that sounds like > pretty tame sailing weather. > > We went and sat on her on Memorial Day after my daughter finished her > parade route. Beautiful breezes from 5-15 I would say, but there was a > threat of that thunderstorm, well, so we sat and did some cleaning. > We did very much enjoy the drink at the club afterwards. > > So, let's stay in touch and see. Is your boat in at LBI now? Are > weekdays > ever a possibility for you? > > Also, funny thing is that I haven't met the owner but there is another > Rhodes 22 moored right beside ours. The guy sails, I hear, about 122 > days a > year which isn't too shabby for NJ ( OK some exaggeration > possibly)...the > boat yard owner who is renting us our mooring, told me the other Rhodie > headed out to the Rhodes 22, and almost boarded our boat-he was so > surprised > to see another Rhodes 22 moored there. He has a traditional mainsail > with a > furling genoa jib. Eventually it should be interesting to see how our > IMF > sails along side of his traditional mainsail... I am still waiting to > see > if I will be satisfied with how close you can point with the IMF main. > > But just sailing the boat will be fine!! > We did it last year dealing with strong currents and a dock...a mooring > should be easier. Right, Bill? > > Phyllis > Whisper > Keyport > >> From: Jay Friedland >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:04:03 -0400 >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site >> >> Phyllis- >> Still on call-your place or mine. >> Jay >> >> On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: >> >>> Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died >>> down... >>> >>> Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have >>> enjoyed >>> enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- >>> >>> and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this >>> site? >>> >>> Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier >>> horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. >>> Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get >>> over >>> the >>> intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without >>> encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. >>> >>> Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and >>> head for >>> open water quite quickly. >>> >>> But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Phyllis >>> Whisper >>> Keyport >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: "ed kroposki" >>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >>>> >>>> Jay, >>>> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >>>> identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do >>>> for >>>> a >>>> sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >>>> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in >>>> order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >>>> So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >>>> religious experience or guilt trip? >>>> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >>>> you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >>>> Have >>>> you explored the archives of this site? >>>> >>>> Ed K >>>> Greenville, SC, USA >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 3 21:20:10 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Fri Jun 3 20:20:28 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY References: <004501c56881$886111e0$6101a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <004301c5689b$2becdc90$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Richard: You have made the right choice in boats. With the "skinny water" in your chosen area the R22 will suit the waters very well owing to the 20" draft board up and only 4' board down. Depending on how and where you plan to use the boat, a GPS with chart plotter ( the Garmin 276C or something along the lines of the182C with built in antenna) would be a nice to have item, again because of the shallow waters, reefs, and skinny cuts. Charts of course are always advised. There are several good cruising guides for the area as well. I like Frank Papy's Cruising Guide to the Florida Keys for fun and entertainment. Clairborne Young also has a much more detailed guide. A good VHF radio is also a must. Carrying a cell phone is also recommended and all recommended safety gear that the Coast Guard recommends. If you plan to anchor out, good ground tackle is a must. The Hawk Channel (Atlantic side) can get mean so you need to watch the weather very carefully - when it is nice, it is wonderful. Biscayne Bay and Florida Bay can kick up but should prove manageable most of the time for a R22. If you chose to use the Hawk Channel, make sure you know all of the cuts to get into Florida Bay so you can cut and run when you need to, which should not be too often. We spent a month last year out of Key West (sailed from Punta Gorda to Key West via Naples, Marco Island, Shark River, and Marathon). We then sailed back to Marathon but as the weather was not great, we cut under the seven mile bridge into Florida Bay to Matacumbe and Pumpkin Key before jumping out into Biscayne Bay for a great sail up to Cape Florida. (Sailing on Biscayne Bay is truly a must do!) We then jumped out and headed up to Ft. Lauderdale and Lake Worth before getting back to our home port in Stuart. Now realize we were not on a R22 but a larger cruising boat with a permanent 4'5" draft, The GPS and charts were mandatory. We sailed our R22 out of Stuart for 10 years and we have sailed boats of similar size in the Keys over the years. As the man said: "just do it!" Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Frank" To: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY > I AM PLANNING ON A PURCHASE OF A RHODES 22 FOR USE ON BISCAYNE BAY AND > KEYS > AREA. ANY COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT I SHOULD > CONSIDER WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANKS, RICHARD > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 3 22:11:18 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Fri Jun 3 21:11:30 2005 Subject: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY Message-ID: <000a01c568a2$503b9580$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> BTW, did I mention a Bimini? It is absolutely essential when sailing in South Florida. Also, as I didn't bother to ask about your experience both sailing and boating in Biscayne Bay or the Keys, I hope I did not provide you with information that you have already mastered. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Quinn" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY > Richard: You have made the right choice in boats. With the "skinny > water" in your chosen area the R22 will suit the waters very well owing to > the 20" draft board up and only 4' board down. Depending on how and where > you plan to use the boat, a GPS with chart plotter ( the Garmin 276C or > something along the lines of the182C with built in antenna) would be a > nice to have item, again because of the shallow waters, reefs, and skinny > cuts. Charts of course are always advised. There are several good > cruising guides for the area as well. I like Frank Papy's Cruising Guide > to the Florida Keys for fun and entertainment. Clairborne Young also has > a much more detailed guide. A good VHF radio is also a must. Carrying a > cell phone is also recommended and all recommended safety gear that the > Coast Guard recommends. If you plan to anchor out, good ground tackle is a > must. > > The Hawk Channel (Atlantic side) can get mean so you need to watch the > weather very carefully - when it is nice, it is wonderful. Biscayne Bay > and Florida Bay can kick up but should prove manageable most of the time > for a R22. If you chose to use the Hawk Channel, make sure you know all > of the cuts to get into Florida Bay so you can cut and run when you need > to, which should not be too often. > > We spent a month last year out of Key West (sailed from Punta Gorda to Key > West via Naples, Marco Island, Shark River, and Marathon). We then sailed > back to Marathon but as the weather was not great, we cut under the seven > mile bridge into Florida Bay to Matacumbe and Pumpkin Key before jumping > out into Biscayne Bay for a great sail up to Cape Florida. (Sailing on > Biscayne Bay is truly a must do!) We then jumped out and headed up to Ft. > Lauderdale and Lake Worth before getting back to our home port in Stuart. > Now realize we were not on a R22 but a larger cruising boat with a > permanent 4'5" draft, The GPS and charts were mandatory. We sailed our R22 > out of Stuart for 10 years and we have sailed boats of similar size in the > Keys over the years. As the man said: "just do it!" > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Frank" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:16 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY > > >> I AM PLANNING ON A PURCHASE OF A RHODES 22 FOR USE ON BISCAYNE BAY AND >> KEYS >> AREA. ANY COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT I SHOULD >> CONSIDER WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANKS, RICHARD >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 19:33:27 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 3 21:33:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad's Funny In-Reply-To: <000201c56891$f23feef0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <20050604013327.24478.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here you go! Instructions - In Honor of Stupid People In case you needed further proof that the human race is doomed through stupidity, here are some actual label instructions on consumer goods. On a Sears hairdryer -- Do not use while sleeping. (Damn, and that's the only time I have to work on my hair). No purchase necessary. Details inside. (the shoplifter special?) On a bar of Dial soap -- "Directions: Use like regular soap." (and that would be how???) On some Swanson frozen dinners -- "Serving suggestion: Defrost." (but, it's "just" a suggestion) On Tesco's Tiramisu dessert (printed on bottom) -- "Do not turn upside down." (well...duh, a bit late, huh!) Mark & Spencer Bread Pudding -- "Product will be hot after heating " (...and you thought????) On packaging for a Rowenta iron -- "Do not iron clothes on body." (but wouldn't this save me more time?) On Boot's Children Cough Medicine -- "Do not drive a car or operate machinery after taking this medication." (We could do a lot to reduce the rate of construction accidents if we could just get those 5-year-olds with head-colds off those forklifts.) On Nytol Sleep Aid -- "Warning: May cause drowsiness." (and...I'm taking this because???) On most brands of Christmas lights -- "For indoor or outdoor use only. (as opposed to what, under water?) On a Japanese food processor -- "Not to be used for the other use." (now, somebody out there, help me on this. I'm a bit curious.) On Sainsbury's peanuts -- "Warning: contains nuts." (talk about a news flash) "Instructions: Open packet, eat nuts." (Step 3: maybe, uh...fly Delta?) On a child's Superman costume -- "Wearing of this garment does not enable you to fly." (I blame the parents for this one.) On a Swedish chainsaw -- "Do not attempt to stop chain with your hands or genitals." (Oh my God...was there a lot of this happening somewhere?) --- ed kroposki wrote: > > Brad, > This has been circulating the internet for at least > a year. Must > have been here before you came back on. Come on > now, give us new material. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Addendum: You have got the boat to go here: > www.leonardsworlds.com/listing/port/port_st_thomas_virgin_is.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of brad haslett > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:55 PM > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Not a Joke, just Dam Funny > > This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan > DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental > Quality, State of Michigan. > > This guy's response is hilarious, but read the > State's > letter before you get to the response letter. > > > > SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. > 20; > Montcalm County > > > > Dear Mr. DeVries: > > It has come to the attention of the Department of > Environmental Quality that there has been recent > unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel > of property. You have been certified as the legal > landowner and/or contractor who did the following > unauthorized activity: > > Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams > across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. > > A permit must be issued prior to the start of this > type of activity. > > A review of the Department's files shows that no > permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department > has determined that this activity is in violation of > Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural > Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 > of > the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to > 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. > > The Department has been informed that one or both of > the dam! s partially failed during a recent rain > event, causing debris and flooding at downstream > locations. We find that dams of this nature are > inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The > Department therefore orders you to cease and desist > all activities at this location, and to restore the > stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood > and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. > All restoration work shall be completed no later > than > January > 31, 2003. > > Please notify this office when the restoration has > been completed so that a follow-up site inspection > may > be scheduled by our staff. > > Failure to comply with this request or any further > unauthorized activity on the site may result in this > case being referred for elevated enforcement action. > > We anticipate and would appreciate your full > cooperation in this matter. > > Please feel free to contact me at this office if you > have any questions. > > Si! ncerely, > David L. Price > > District Representati ve and Water Management > Division. > > > > > > > > > Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. > DeVries: > > > > Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; > Montcalm County. > > > Dear Mr. Price, > > > > > > Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed > to me to respond to. I am the legal landowner but > not > the Contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan. > > A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) > process of constructing and maintaining two wood > "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring > Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor > supervise their dam project, I think they would be > highly offended that you call their skillful use of > natures building materials "debris." > I would like to challenge your department to attempt > to emulate their dam project any time and/or any > place > you choose. I believe I can safely state there is > no > way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam > resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam > persistence, their dam determination and/or their > dam > work ethic. > > > > > > As to your request, I do not think the beavers are > aware that they must first fill out a dam permit > prior > to the start of this type of dam activity. > My first dam question to you is: > (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring > Pond Beavers, or > (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State > to conform to said dam request? > > If you are not discriminating against these > particular > beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I > request completed copies of all those other > applicable > beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps > we > will see if there really is a dam violation of Part > 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural > Resource > and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the > Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to > 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. > > > > > > > I have several concerns. My first concern is; > aren't > the beavers entitled to legal representation? The > Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and > are > unable to pay for said representation -- so the > State > will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. > The Department's dam concern that either one or both > of the dams failed during a recent rain event, > causing > flooding, is proof that this is a natural > occurrence, > which the Department is required to protect. In > other > words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone > rather than harassing them and calling their dam > names. > > If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow > condition please contact the beavers -- but if you > are > going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any > attention to your dam letter, they being unable to > read English. > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From stan at rhodes22.com Sat Jun 4 03:44:44 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Sat Jun 4 02:44:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] crawford adventure Message-ID: <021301c568d0$e9ac8110$1fd407d0@yourze8cxvr8tt> The Crawfords are being too polite. Somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic the boat started to sink. Thanks to cell phone technology we did a "Hello Houston - we have a problem" call and came to the conclusion that when one of our guys upgraded the cb line he forgot to put back the cb hose or at least the hose clamp and the high pressure from the great Yamaha forced water to spill up and over the cb cap hose barb. Lower motor speeds seemed to confirm this long distance theory. Since they made it safely to a safe haven itinerary landing we will get to check the theory - had they gone to the bottom it would have remained another Rhodes mystery. stan/gbi From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 4 09:27:24 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sat Jun 4 08:27:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a change ofpace) In-Reply-To: <1ac.39a2be9e.2fd23e13@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for posting! Locks are kind of fun. There is a lock 17 miles down river from my slip. The first time down my R22 was all alone. Coming back the lock was quite crowded but the lock masters and crew positioned everyone pretty quickly. How much gas did you use? Wally, Knoxville TN >From: FCrawford0707@aol.com >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: stan@rhodes22.com, rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a change >ofpace) >Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:13:23 EDT > >Stan, Rose and Rhodies - Andrea and I are back home , having made the first >leg of our Homeward Bound trip from Edenton to Avalon. We pulled in to the >Sailing Emporium in Rock Hall Thursday afternoon, where we will berth >Sunday >Morning for most of June, before heading up the rest of the Bay and then >down >the Delaware Bay. Our trip was was a great experience - met some really >nice >"cruisers" along the way and experienced a great variety of wind and >weather >conditions,as well as the several different personalities of the >Chesapeake >Bay. Andrea, a reluctant participant in the planning, was a cheerful and >helpful - indeed essential - sailor, whose good judgment kept us in good >stead >along the way. > You can imagine our surprise to see Stan and Rose at the Dismal Swamp >Visitors Center, where we were rafted up after day 2 of the trip to two >other >boats - of course we were the smallest by far. Stan spotted the red genoa >cover and IMF triangle and we both were a bit proud of the way "our" >Rhodes >held herself in the company of the 35 footers she was rafted to - she did >indeed >look spiffy. > We'll try to give some more details of our experience later on, but >as a >synopsis, we explored the Albemarle Sound (winding up in the Elizabeth >City >town docks after midnight of our first day), then thru the Dismal Swamp >Canal >(locking through was great fun in perfect weather conditions). We then >stopped at Waterside in Norfolk for the next night - noisy and busy, but >great >fun as a contrast to the tranquility of the Dismal and the upper >Pasquatank >River (from Elizabeth City to the Canal, a truly beautiful stretch). > The next day our Plan A was to make Deltaville - we settled for Plan >B, >Horn Harbor, a very rural setting, where we were welcomed and paid the >lowest >slip fee of our trip. > We then crossed the Bay to Tangier Island - an experience not to be >missed - I almost fell of the boat when we pulled up to the dock and saw a >very >large power cruiser (wasn't a trawler) with "Sunday Morning" lettered >across >her stern. The dockmaster was the single most patient man I've ever met - >the >slip was way, way too big for our 22 and Andrea and I struggled for a >seeming eternity to get our lines properly positioned. > We got too late a start the next day, walking around the island and >dodging golf carts, but still managed to across to the Western >shore,arriving at >Solomons a little before sunset. We liked it so much that we planned a >"lay >day', to do some wash, shopping, walking around - but the weather report >the >next morning indicated that our lucky string of sunny days was about to >end >abruptly on Thursday ( this was now Wednesday morning) so we again went to >Plan B and hightailed it up the Bay to Herrington Harbour, with weather >conditions rapidly deteriorating as we approached Herring Bay. We thought >that >this was to be the end of the first leg, but the Thursday morning WX was >better >than anticipated (10 to 15 kn easterlies, but only showers, rather than >steady rain as previously forecast). So we set out early for Annapolis, >then >again went to B plan, since we were doing ok into the weather as we >approached >Annapolis, and so decided to press on to Rock Hall > Since I still have a day job, we broke the cardinal rule of cruising >of >not adhering to a schedule - as a result , we did more motoring than >sailing, >although we did get some good sailing in at times. The Yamaha 8-horse >was >a trooper , I felt the battened IMF was a definite improvement in >performance. I would characterize the trip as two-thirds passage to >one-third cruise - >if you would do something similar, reverse the percentages and you will >get >more sailing time and less motoring. >We feel good about accomplishing our primary goal - transiting the Dismal >Swamp Canal and up the Chesapeake Bay - safely and yet with moments of >anxiety >that any such journey will inevitably bring. For those of you who have >never >locked into a canal, I would recommend the experience - we had a lot of >fun >and the comraderie added to the experience. >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 4 09:35:20 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sat Jun 4 08:35:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY In-Reply-To: <004501c56881$886111e0$6101a8c0@pc> Message-ID: Optional equipment- cooler of cold beer, snacks, Bull Frog SPF 36 Sunscreen.... :-0 Richard - A depth sounder would be useful in your area. IMF is pretty nice. The number one feature of IMF is You WILL sail more! Bimini & cockpit cushions provide comfort. Are you day sailing or cruising? Wally >From: "Richard Frank" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 >17:16:31 -0400 > > I AM PLANNING ON A PURCHASE OF A RHODES 22 FOR USE ON BISCAYNE BAY AND >KEYS >AREA. ANY COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT I SHOULD >CONSIDER WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANKS, RICHARD > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Sat Jun 4 09:41:49 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Sat Jun 4 08:42:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Robert Quinn? In-Reply-To: <000a01c568a2$503b9580$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <000001c56902$cb3275a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Do we have two Robert Quinns on this list? Several years ago there was an experience and knowledgeable Captain Quinn who made promises about filling in a block on this page: http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/ Is that Captain Quinn still on the list? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: Is this the Miami under discussion: www.leonardsworlds.com/listing/port/port_miami_ship_docks_fl.htm From barfrank at hollywoodbytheseafl.com Sat Jun 4 09:00:53 2005 From: barfrank at hollywoodbytheseafl.com (Richard Frank) Date: Sat Jun 4 08:59:40 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <005401c568fd$13bd6100$6101a8c0@pc> From FCrawford0707 at aol.com Sat Jun 4 10:09:47 2005 From: FCrawford0707 at aol.com (FCrawford0707@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 4 09:10:04 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a change ofpace) Message-ID: <1ab.39c34aae.2fd3021b@aol.com> Wally - We used about 15 gallons altogether. A question / comment on the IMF - We were sailing along downwind toward Herirng Bay, first in pretty light winds, so we had full genoa out, as well as full main, jibing a couple of times to keep our wind angle at about 120 degrees, which kept the genoa drawing. As the wind piped up, we furled the genoa, and under main alone were surfing a bit and making great VMG, as we were heading straight toward the destination, almost directly downwind, with the main to starboard. Life's good. Our problem came in later furling the main, as with about 15 kn of true wind, our apparent wind was about to change abruptly from c.10 to over 15, as we would steer into the wind to furl. I was concerned about broaching in the process. We ended up letting the outhaul slacken enough to belly out the main quite a bit as we turned into the wind (keeping the wind over the port side in order to maintain the "slot" at the mast). This reduced the sail area exposed to wind enough that we then furled the main w/o the boat heeling dramatically as we turned into the wind. My question - how have any of you handled this same situation ? Is there a better way of dealing with this than letting the main belly out ? Frone Crawford s/v Sunday Morning From R22RumRunner at aol.com Sat Jun 4 11:05:29 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 4 10:05:35 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a change ofpace) Message-ID: <62.565412bb.2fd30f29@aol.com> Frone, I always bring the genoa in first. Furling the IMF isn't any different than if you had a standard main sail. You drop the motor in the water, fire it up and use power to keep you headed into the wind. I don't recommend loosening the IMF until the very moment you are going to furl and then keeping pressure on both lines to get a clean furl. Rummy From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 4 11:55:15 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Sat Jun 4 10:55:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Robert Quinn? References: <000001c56902$cb3275a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <000d01c56915$6affdcf0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Ed: To the best of my knowledge only one Quinn. My memory is stale but at one point I was attempting to scan in some old R22/Continental literature. Our computer took a nose dive and work became very hectic. Let me look back and see it those documents were "recovered" and if so, I'll look to someone to tell me how to post them. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Robert Quinn? > Do we have two Robert Quinns on this list? Several years ago there was an > experience and knowledgeable Captain Quinn who made promises about filling > in a block on this page: http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/ > Is that Captain Quinn still on the list? > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Addendum: Is this the Miami under discussion: > www.leonardsworlds.com/listing/port/port_miami_ship_docks_fl.htm > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 4 20:59:40 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 4 20:00:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? In-Reply-To: <428cd83a.62932dce.0bd5.ffff916c@mx.gmail.com> References: <428cd83a.62932dce.0bd5.ffff916c@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A2406C.4090709@effros.com> New York Times Editorial, Today: June 4, 2005 Overcast in Pennsylvania Far from just talking about the weather, Senator Rick Santorum is doing something dank and cloudy about it: he is proposing to squelch the National Weather Service's growing role in the information age. The Weather Service provides a priceless flow of nonstop measurements and readings that commercial forecasting companies package and sell to the public. Lately, the Weather Service itself has been trying to make all its information more accessible to anyone who wants it. But Mr. Santorum, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate, has introduced legislation that would basically require the service to give much of its data only to those private weather forecasting companies. A dozen of those businesses happen to be located in Mr. Santorum's home state, Pennsylvania. "It's not an easy prospect for a business to attract advertisers, subscribers or investors when the government is providing similar products for free," the senator said, somehow overlooking that taxpayers finance this round-the-clock national resource in the first place. Senator Santorum, who is running for re-election, is vowing to protect hundreds of Pennsylvania weather company jobs. But timing is everything in both politics and weather, and his case was not helped by the fact that two days before the bill was introduced, his campaign accepted a $2,000 donation from one of the weather companies lobbying for protection. This was dismissed by the senator's supporters as a small-beer coincidence in a $25 million race. But as they say on the weather segment, it's a lingering disturbance on the Doppler. Mark Kaynor wrote: >Slim, > >Hoo boy. Another one that's a bit tricky to explain w/ out speaking Geek. >Like they say, it's all Geek to me.... > >XML stands for Extensible Markup Language - it's a markup language (kind of, >but not really like HTML), that's primarily used to describe and contain >data for publishing on the WWW. Unlike HTML, however, which uses predefined >tags, the programmer defines XML tags, making it very powerful for handling >data - like weather or Amazon or eBay, or insurance info, etc. I know that >sounds a bit obtuse, so I did a quick Google search and came up w/ this site >which probably says it a bit better: >http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_whatis.asp > >And here: http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/xml/article.php/3473531 > >Mark > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve Alm >Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:03 PM >To: Rhodes >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? > >Mark, > >What is an XML interface? > >Slim > >On 5/19/05 8:00 AM, "Mark Kaynor" wrote: > > > >>Folks, >> >>I've been hearing about this for a couple of weeks and thought I'd >>pass it along. >> >>Mark >> >>The National Weather Service recently began publishing weather data to >>the public via an easy to access XML interface. Previously NOAA >>released data in an arcane and complicated format created over 40 years >> >> >ago. > > >>This is a great boon for everyone, as the XML feeds allow for >>integration of weather data into personal homepages & computer >>applications, and makes it easier for scientists, meteorology students >>and people interested in the weather to use industry-standard tools to >> >> >access weather data. > > >>Well, its not great for everyone, particularly companies like >>Accuweather, who make their money reselling weather data to the public and >> >> >media outlets. > > >>Apparently they managed to lobby Senator Santorum of Pennsylvania to >>introduce a bill, S.786.1, which would prevent the National Weather >>Service from competing with for-pay weather companies. The language of >>the bill is very broad and if passed may jeopardize the XML Data Feed, >>the NOAA website, and even NOAA weather radio. >> >>The following link makes sending a letter to your senators easy - >>please take the time to do so if you want NOAA to be able to continue >>to provide free services (the ones we already pay for with our taxes). >> >>https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?JServSessionIdr003=uio7mzb8p1.app >>8a&pag >>e=UserAction&cmd=display&id=123 >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From gjm at macgra.com Sat Jun 4 21:50:31 2005 From: gjm at macgra.com (Gregg J. MacMillan) Date: Sat Jun 4 20:50:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] True Blue Photos In-Reply-To: <42A2406C.4090709@effros.com> References: <428cd83a.62932dce.0bd5.ffff916c@mx.gmail.com> <42A2406C.4090709@effros.com> Message-ID: Not much wind today, but we did take some photos. http://homepage.mac.com/macmillan --Gregg s/v True Blue From flybrad at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 19:07:40 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sat Jun 4 21:08:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? In-Reply-To: <42A2406C.4090709@effros.com> Message-ID: <20050605010740.30061.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, Santorum's bill is about the stupidest idea I've heard of in a long time - consider the source. I use NWS sometimes when I think our in-house people are being a bit too optimistic. One of our pilots compiled a whole lot of info on this site - www.dixwx.com - which is specific to our ops but has some other useful stuff for everyone, like flighttracker. Be sure to watch the videos. Santorum is an idiot. Why don't you take him sailing and have an "accident" at sea? Just make sure Trent Lott and John McCain are on board and are lost trying to save him. Brad --- Bill Effros wrote: > New York Times Editorial, Today: > June 4, 2005 > > > Overcast in Pennsylvania > > Far from just talking about the weather, Senator > Rick Santorum is doing > something dank and cloudy about it: he is proposing > to squelch the > National Weather Service's growing role in the > information age. > > The Weather Service provides a priceless flow of > nonstop measurements > and readings that commercial forecasting companies > package and sell to > the public. Lately, the Weather Service itself has > been trying to make > all its information more accessible to anyone who > wants it. But Mr. > Santorum, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate, has > introduced legislation > that would basically require the service to give > much of its data only > to those private weather forecasting companies. A > dozen of those > businesses happen to be located in Mr. Santorum's > home state, Pennsylvania. > > "It's not an easy prospect for a business to attract > advertisers, > subscribers or investors when the government is > providing similar > products for free," the senator said, somehow > overlooking that taxpayers > finance this round-the-clock national resource in > the first place. > > Senator Santorum, who is running for re-election, is > vowing to protect > hundreds of Pennsylvania weather company jobs. But > timing is everything > in both politics and weather, and his case was not > helped by the fact > that two days before the bill was introduced, his > campaign accepted a > $2,000 donation from one of the weather companies > lobbying for > protection. This was dismissed by the senator's > supporters as a > small-beer coincidence in a $25 million race. But as > they say on the > weather segment, it's a lingering disturbance on the > Doppler. > > > Mark Kaynor wrote: > > >Slim, > > > >Hoo boy. Another one that's a bit tricky to explain > w/ out speaking Geek. > >Like they say, it's all Geek to me.... > > > >XML stands for Extensible Markup Language - it's a > markup language (kind of, > >but not really like HTML), that's primarily used to > describe and contain > >data for publishing on the WWW. Unlike HTML, > however, which uses predefined > >tags, the programmer defines XML tags, making it > very powerful for handling > >data - like weather or Amazon or eBay, or insurance > info, etc. I know that > >sounds a bit obtuse, so I did a quick Google search > and came up w/ this site > >which probably says it a bit better: > >http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_whatis.asp > > > >And here: > http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/xml/article.php/3473531 > > > >Mark > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve Alm > >Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:03 PM > >To: Rhodes > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather > privatized? > > > >Mark, > > > >What is an XML interface? > > > >Slim > > > >On 5/19/05 8:00 AM, "Mark Kaynor" > wrote: > > > > > > > >>Folks, > >> > >>I've been hearing about this for a couple of weeks > and thought I'd > >>pass it along. > >> > >>Mark > >> > >>The National Weather Service recently began > publishing weather data to > >>the public via an easy to access XML interface. > Previously NOAA > >>released data in an arcane and complicated format > created over 40 years > >> > >> > >ago. > > > > > >>This is a great boon for everyone, as the XML > feeds allow for > >>integration of weather data into personal > homepages & computer > >>applications, and makes it easier for scientists, > meteorology students > >>and people interested in the weather to use > industry-standard tools to > >> > >> > >access weather data. > > > > > >>Well, its not great for everyone, particularly > companies like > >>Accuweather, who make their money reselling > weather data to the public and > >> > >> > >media outlets. > > > > > >>Apparently they managed to lobby Senator Santorum > of Pennsylvania to > >>introduce a bill, S.786.1, which would prevent the > National Weather > >>Service from competing with for-pay weather > companies. The language of > >>the bill is very broad and if passed may > jeopardize the XML Data Feed, > >>the NOAA website, and even NOAA weather radio. > >> > >>The following link makes sending a letter to your > senators easy - > >>please take the time to do so if you want NOAA to > be able to continue > >>to provide free services (the ones we already pay > for with our taxes). > >> > >>https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?JServSessionIdr003=uio7mzb8p1.app > >>8a&pag > >>e=UserAction&cmd=display&id=123 > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > >> > >> > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From natown at wildmail.com Sat Jun 4 22:43:14 2005 From: natown at wildmail.com (Neil Townsley) Date: Sat Jun 4 22:44:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? Message-ID: <93384BA84929EF84F864E3005EF5E40A@natown.wildmail.com> BoatUS has a briefing letter on this subject at this URL http://www.boatus.com/gov/sb786.htm They want you to contact you Senator and try and stop this bill. Neil Townsley Care2 make the world greener! http://www.Care2.com Free e-mail. 100MB storage. Helps charities. Make a Difference: Tell U.S. Congress to stop hurting our health care! http://www.care2.com/go/z/healthcare From bill at effros.com Sun Jun 5 00:01:09 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 4 23:01:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] True Blue Photos In-Reply-To: References: <428cd83a.62932dce.0bd5.ffff916c@mx.gmail.com> <42A2406C.4090709@effros.com> Message-ID: <42A26AF5.2040103@effros.com> Very Nice! Bill Effros Gregg J. MacMillan wrote: > Not much wind today, but we did take some photos. > > http://homepage.mac.com/macmillan > > --Gregg > s/v True Blue > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From flybrad at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 21:33:53 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sat Jun 4 23:33:56 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? In-Reply-To: <93384BA84929EF84F864E3005EF5E40A@natown.wildmail.com> Message-ID: <20050605033353.68483.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Neil, Santorum is the only sponsor of this bill and I doubt anyone else is anxious to jump on it, however, it would behoove all of us to write our Senators to be on the safe side. If you read the proposed legislation it does have SOME logic to it, ie., Accuweather is asking that NOAA make its data available in realtime. That would be of value to a handful of very time sensitive industries, say airlines, and would spare the weather industry from spending the money to build their own data collection infrastructure. But, to suggest that the current regulations allow NOAA to "compete" with private industry is a sham to cover the real purpose of this bill - pork barrel politics. NOAA weather reports is certainly good enough for sailing, and 98% of flying. If you need more accuracy for the other 2%, pay for it, a lot of companies do. Brad Haslett "CoraShen" --- Neil Townsley wrote: > BoatUS has a briefing letter on this subject at this > URL > http://www.boatus.com/gov/sb786.htm > They want you to contact you Senator and try and > stop this bill. > > Neil Townsley > > > Care2 make the world greener! > http://www.Care2.com Free e-mail. 100MB storage. > Helps charities. > > Make a Difference: Tell U.S. Congress to stop > hurting our health care! > http://www.care2.com/go/z/healthcare > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pthorn at nc.rr.com Sun Jun 5 07:08:17 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Sun Jun 5 06:06:53 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? References: <93384BA84929EF84F864E3005EF5E40A@natown.wildmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c569b6$7e761780$660fa8c0@dell330> Thank you Neil, for passing on those links. Sen Dole and Sen Burr are now informed. Unfortunately, if we all do nothing, I believe there's a good chance Santorum and his buddies will get away with this theft of public infrastructure. Fair winds, PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Townsley" To: Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? > BoatUS has a briefing letter on this subject at this URL > http://www.boatus.com/gov/sb786.htm > They want you to contact you Senator and try and stop this bill. > > Neil Townsley > > > Care2 make the world greener! > http://www.Care2.com Free e-mail. 100MB storage. Helps charities. > > Make a Difference: Tell U.S. Congress to stop hurting our health care! http://www.care2.com/go/z/healthcare > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sun Jun 5 09:18:34 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sun Jun 5 08:18:41 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a changeofpace) In-Reply-To: <1ab.39c34aae.2fd3021b@aol.com> Message-ID: Frone, You are correct. You can not furl when close to broaching and losing rudder control. IMF works best when not under heavy load. I would gain control of the boat, slowly head up (luffing if needed to slow down), tension topping lift, head into the wind and furl. It goes a lot smoother now that I have 4 years with boat. I would think loosening the outhaul would increase flogging. Wally >From: FCrawford0707@aol.com >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a >changeofpace) >Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:09:47 EDT > >Wally - We used about 15 gallons altogether. A question / comment on the >IMF - We were sailing along downwind toward Herirng Bay, first in pretty >light >winds, so we had full genoa out, as well as full main, jibing a couple of >times to keep our wind angle at about 120 degrees, which kept the genoa >drawing. As the wind piped up, we furled the genoa, and under main alone >were >surfing a bit and making great VMG, as we were heading straight toward >the >destination, almost directly downwind, with the main to starboard. Life's >good. >Our problem came in later furling the main, as with about 15 kn of true >wind, >our apparent wind was about to change abruptly from c.10 to over 15, as we >would steer into the wind to furl. I was concerned about broaching in the >process. We ended up letting the outhaul slacken enough to belly out the >main >quite a bit as we turned into the wind (keeping the wind over the port >side in >order to maintain the "slot" at the mast). This reduced the sail area >exposed to wind enough that we then furled the main w/o the boat heeling >dramatically as we turned into the wind. My question - how have any of >you handled >this same situation ? Is there a better way of dealing with this than >letting >the main belly out ? > Frone Crawford > s/v Sunday Morning >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From FCrawford0707 at aol.com Sun Jun 5 09:53:22 2005 From: FCrawford0707 at aol.com (FCrawford0707@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 5 08:53:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a changeofpace) Message-ID: <111.4b92b872.2fd44fc2@aol.com> Wally and Rummy - Thanks for the advice on IMF-furling. What seemed to get us from downwind thru wind on the beam (heaviest pressure on the sail) w/o broaching was to partially release the outhaul - so flogging was minimized but effective sail area was reduced - the foot was almost "u-shaped". From R22RumRunner at aol.com Sun Jun 5 11:08:26 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 5 10:08:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] True Blue Photos Message-ID: <1e4.3cf8bfcf.2fd4615a@aol.com> In a message dated 6/4/2005 8:50:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gjm@macgra.com writes: http://homepage.mac.com/macmillan Gregg, You need to change the caption on one of the pictures. You have a picture of the "Admiral" with the caption "crew". I'm sure this is simply a typo. Rummy From stan at rhodes22.com Sun Jun 5 12:39:43 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Sun Jun 5 11:39:46 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators Message-ID: <024a01c569e4$d04d6440$d01f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> you wise men (and ladies) may have covered this already: does the use of 100% biodiesel fuel solve the diesel generator health problems? stan/gbi From flybrad at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 10:07:19 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sun Jun 5 12:07:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators In-Reply-To: <024a01c569e4$d04d6440$d01f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <20050605160719.40529.qmail@web32902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Stan, Even using straight diesel fuel solves the carbon monoxide problem, biodiesel makes it smell better. The problem is that the smallest diesel weighs about 2-3 times the 1000 watt Hondas/Yamahas. Fisher-Panda makes a very slick sailboat genset that is extremely quiet (demo'd one at the Annapolis power boat show) but it is too heavy to be portable. There are a couple of German and Italian companies that make small diesels in the 4 - 6 hp range (with Chinese knockoffs available as well) that could be converted to genset use - still the weight problem though. It will be hard to beat the weight (26 lbs) or the quietness (54 decibels) and the price ($600 - 700) of the Honda/Yamahas. I took the muffler cover off my Honda eu1000i to have a good look at the muffler. It would be very easy to weld a fitting on the muffler to connect it to a flexible genturi type exhaust elevated by an extra halyard. So far that is the best solution I've heard of. A 1000 watts is enough to run a 500 watt microwave or up to about a 5000 btu air-conditioner. Brad --- stan wrote: > you wise men (and ladies) may have covered this > already: > > does the use of 100% biodiesel fuel solve the diesel > generator health problems? > > stan/gbi > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From flybrad at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 10:37:08 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sun Jun 5 12:37:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators In-Reply-To: <024a01c569e4$d04d6440$d01f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <20050605163709.37490.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Stan, Read this and go put your engineer hat on. http://safetynet.smis.doi.gov/LakemeadreportFI.PDF#search='Comparison%20of%20a%20Dry%20Stack%20with%20Existing%20Generator' I'd go sailing but it's so hot here my car has melted into the driveway! Brad --- stan wrote: > you wise men (and ladies) may have covered this > already: > > does the use of 100% biodiesel fuel solve the diesel > generator health problems? > > stan/gbi > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mark at kaynor.org Sun Jun 5 11:56:23 2005 From: mark at kaynor.org (Mark Kaynor) Date: Sun Jun 5 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Humor / political - Paul Revere- Hero or Traitor? Message-ID: <3679545F3D7F@kaynor.org> Paul Revere A Despicable Tattletale, Says GOP Republicans today criticized Paul Revere for his famous ride, saying that he had violated professional colonial ethics by divulging military secrets in violation of his duty to his lord, the King of England. "These were sensitive informations about military troop movements with which he had been entrusted," said G. Gordon Liddy, an expert on ethics in government and a professor at several unaccredited law schools. "Paul Revere was a traitor and a law breaker," said Anakin Skywalker in a confidential interview shortly before his limbs were lopped off and he burst into flame. Conservatives all over America pointed out that Revere also endangered people's lives by riding willy nilly all over Massachusetts at a full gallop in the dark of night. "He could have trampled someone," said Bill O'Reilly. "Paul Revere was a reckless and irresponsible nazi," he added. Pat Buchanan derided Revere as a "coward" and a "snake" who was unwilling to be direct with the British government regarding his complaints about the monarchy. "There were channels," he said. Peggy Noonan shook her head. "There's nothing sadder than Americans who have no respect for the rule of law," she said. --------------------------------------- Doug Garnett-Deakin JPI - Bringing Secure Collaboration to an Open World doug@jpidev.com http://www.jpidev.com Phn. 540-818-3098 Fax 703-997-1478 --------------------------------------- From flybrad at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 11:53:31 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sun Jun 5 13:53:35 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Humor / political - Paul Revere- Hero or Traitor? In-Reply-To: <3679545F3D7F@kaynor.org> Message-ID: <20050605175331.72014.qmail@web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark, We all know the story, Nixon participated in the cover-up of some illegal activities (really stupid when you consider his lead in 1972), got caught and forced out. The controversy surrounding Mr. Felt "Deep Throat" is using his position at the FBI to pursue a personal agenda, not whether Nixon was good or bad, needed to go or didn't. As it turns out, Felt may have been no better than Hoover and his attempts to unseat Dr. King from power. The problem here is misuse of government power, and that cuts both ways regardless of your partisanship. Here's a lot more reading. Suggestion to all - hit delete now and go sailing. You've been warned! Brad --------------- washingtonpost.com Deep Throat's Other Legacy By Colbert I. King Post Saturday, June 4, 2005; A17 I share the pride of my Post colleagues in our newspaper's pursuit of Watergate, "the biggest political story in modern American history," as reporter Michael Dobbs described it in an article on Thursday. And as a member of The Post's editorial board, I also echo our Wednesday commentary, which said that former FBI deputy director W. Mark Felt, aka "Deep Throat," deserves to be honored for his role in bringing to light Richard Nixon's serious abuses of power. That honor, however, is not the full extent of Felt's legacy. Felt's devotion to J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI caused him, I believe, to place the bureau ahead of the Constitution and his own faithfulness to the Bill of Rights. Felt's Watergate heroics notwithstanding, he was also on board when the FBI's series of covert action programs against Americans was well underway. He was a high FBI official when the bureau, arrogating unto itself the role of judge, jury and vigilante, trampled with impunity on the rights of citizens. Felt was there when the FBI sought to get teachers fired, when it tried to stop people from speaking on campus, when it prevented the distribution of books and newspapers and when it disrupted peaceful demonstrations and antiwar marches. Those shameful activities are cited in stark detail in Book III of the April 1976 Final Report of the Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations With Respect to Intelligence Activities of the United States Senate. In the name of protecting national security and preventing violence, the FBI tried to promote factionalism and violence between groups it regarded as domestic threats. It planted informants to spread false rumors, labeled innocent people as "snitches" and passed along derogatory information to the families and friends of investigative targets, sometimes through anonymous letters or telephone calls. These despicable actions were carried out under COINTELPRO, an FBI acronym for "counterintelligence program." Mark Felt knew all about it. At one time he was an assistant FBI director in charge of the inspection division. Consider the Senate committee's report on Felt's involvement: "The inspection division attempted to ensure that standard procedures were being followed. The Inspectors focused on two things: field office participation and the mechanics of headquarters approval. But the Inspection Division did not exercise oversight in the sense of looking for wrongdoing. Rather, it was an active participant in COINTELPRO by attempting to make sure that it was being efficiently and enthusiastically conducted." Felt himself testified before the Senate committee that he did not investigate the "propriety" of COINTELPRO. To quote the Senate report: "[Felt] agreed that his job was 'to determine whether the program was being pursued effectively as opposed to whether it was proper,' and [Felt] added, 'There was no instruction to me, nor do I believe there is any instruction in the Inspector's manual that the Inspector should be on the alert to see that constitutional values are being protected' " (Felt's testimony before the Senate select committee, Feb. 3, 1976). Lest there be any misunderstanding, Felt was not a passive observer as FBI agents conducted clandestine and illegal operations against innocent Americans. As The Post stated in Wednesday's editorial, Felt "was convicted of (and later pardoned for) authorizing illegal acts in pursuit of leftist radicals in the early 1970s." Here's the rest of the story. When Felt was the No. 2 official in the FBI, he and Edward S. Miller, chief of the bureau's intelligence division, authorized burglaries at the homes of friends and relatives of members of the radical Weather Underground. The break-ins were illegal and a violation of the Fourth Amendment. Felt and Miller were prosecuted in 1980 for their unconstitutional invasion of privacy by John W. Nields Jr., later chief House counsel to the Iran-contra hearings and earlier chief counsel to the 1977-78 House investigation of Korean influence-peddling in Congress. Nields told the jury: "You will hear the sounds of the Weatherman bombs ringing in your ears. We ask you also to listen for the sound of the Constitution of the United States. It doesn't make quite as much noise as the Weatherman bombs. It doesn't shriek at you. It doesn't even whisper. It just sits there silent, as it's done for 200 years, through war and depressions, through good times and bad." The jury heard Nields. Felt and Miller, after an eight-week trial, were convicted of conspiracy for authorizing illegal searches and fined a total of $8,500. The Post stated in an editorial at the time [Dec. 15, 1980]: "The crime of which they were convicted by a jury is a serious one. It grew out of one of the more tawdry episodes in federal law enforcement -- the burglaries of private homes by FBI agents in pursuit of opponents of the war in Vietnam. . . . The dimensions of the wrongdoing by the FBI in those days -- and before -- are far larger than the specifics of the case against Messrs. Felt and Miller. The 'black bag jobs' were only part of a system of so-called law enforcements that ignored the principles of individual rights and personal privacy that are at the heart of this nation's political legacy." Four months later, without talking to the prosecution, consulting the judge or conducting the customary Justice Department review, President Ronald Reagan, asserting that Felt and Miller were motivated by "high principle to bring an end to the terrorism that was threatening our nation," pardoned the two high-ranking FBI officials. To be sure, Mark Felt's role as "Deep Throat" earned him a place in history. So, however, did his complicity in COINTELPRO, the FBI's dirty little secret war against Americans. kingc@washpost.com ? 2005 The Washington Post Company ----------------------------- THROAT CLEARING Deep Secret? With Watergate's mystery solved, legend gives way to ambivalence. BY LEONARD GARMENT Saturday, June 4, 2005 12:01 a.m. It seems only civilized that every expiring political secret should get a decent burial. But the death of Deep Throat--via the recent announcement that this prime source was W. Mark Felt Jr., acting associate director of the FBI at the time of Watergate--does not deserve a state funeral. The secret was, while it lasted, one of the wonders of American politics. Researchers scoured Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein's book, "All the President's Men," which brought Deep Throat to literary life, for identifying clues. Nixon insiders joined the hunt. Edward L. Morgan, assistant secretary of the Treasury in charge of the Secret Service during the Nixon administration, wrongly named me--a former counsel to President Nixon--as Deep Throat. I took justifiable umbrage. I wrongly named former Nixon official John Sears as Deep Throat. He took justifiable umbrage. Now it turns out that the linchpin of the structure supporting so many ideas about the nature of American government was a man who acted out of complicated motives. More, his words of encouragement to Messrs. Woodward and Bernstein--which were crucial to the reporters' consequential reporting on Watergate--were probably based on some things Mark Felt actually knew firsthand and others he did not. Mr. Felt, now 91, was near the top of everyone's list of Deep Throat suspects from the time when "All the President's Men" was published. His high position in the FBI gave him extensive access to the Watergate investigation that the Bureau conducted after the break-in. Also, Mr. Felt, a former FBI special agent, knew about clandestine operations; after Watergate he was convicted for authorizing illegal break-ins in the early 1970s. (In 1981, Felt was pardoned by President Reagan.) More, after the death of J. Edgar Hoover in 1972, Mr. Felt thought he was the leading candidate to succeed Hoover as FBI director. But he was passed over in favor of L. Patrick Gray, a novice at law enforcement but a Nixon loyalist. Finally, from the beginning of the Nixon presidency, relations between the White House and FBI career personnel were uneasy. The Bureau refused some requests for wiretaps and terminated others without consulting the White House. For its part, the White House acted to lessen its dependence on the FBI for intelligence by hiring its own investigators. After the break-in, the White House tried to block the FBI's investigation of the event. It was during the post-break-in pressure by the White House that Deep Throat began meeting with Mr. Woodward. So why did many Deep Throat researchers--especially insiders--reject the idea of Mr. Felt? Because much information that Deep Throat provided was a matter less of specific facts about the Watergate investigation than about the nature of the Nixon White House. Deep Throat talked about the clockwork craziness the White House had become, about the sound of Nixon angry and the character of individuals involved in the coverup. These insights were presented with the certainty of personal experience. But they were not within the firsthand knowledge of an FBI official, even a senior one. It may yet turn out that there were composite elements in Deep Throat and that some of these insights came from sources other than Mr. Felt. Or it may be that Mr. Felt presented to Mr. Woodward as authoritative information some things that were firsthand observations, some that were reliable secondhand gleanings, and some that were more or less informed surmises. It might not have mattered. While Deep Throat was talking, Watergate burglar James McCord was mitigating his probable sentence by spilling the beans to the federal grand jury under the direction of Judge John Sirica. In this drama, which led directly to the exposure of the Watergate coverup, Deep Throat was a marginal player. If Deep Throat was not critical to the unraveling of Watergate, then what was his importance? Perhaps it was to foster in American politics the idea that the central feature of our government is the secret knowledge held by those at the center of power, and that only through the bravery of whistleblowers like Deep Throat can the polity gain the keys to the secrets and the ability to reassert democratic control. This idea has had consequences since Watergate, many of them problematic. In fact, it is an idea about which Mark Felt himself was, until this year, ambivalent. Against the arguments of his family, he resisted identifying himself as Deep Throat, saying that he feared he might be seen as a turncoat rather than a decent man. This ambivalence and the mixed motives that gave rise to it are now on public view, replacing the legend created by "All the President's Men." In this display of very ordinary human impulses, Deep Throat is laid to rest. Mr. Garment, former counsel to President Nixon, is author of "In Search of Deep Throat" (Basic Books, 2000). --------------------------------- Big media's high-water mark The Deep Throat story revives memories of the liberals' heyday in covering the news - before cable and blogs James P. Pinkerton June 2, 2005 For the major media, Watergate was the "good war," in which purely heroic reporters brought down the thoroughly villainous Richard Nixon. So the belated revelation that W. Mark Felt was Deep Throat is being cheered by the press establishment - even if those cheers sound a bit like last gasps. Not surprisingly, The Washington Post ran seven self-back-patting articles yesterday, including two on the front page. But others in the Old Media joined in, too: Felt-is-"Throat" led all three nightly broadcast news shows and filled up countless other news holes. For the mostly liberal MSM - mainstream media - the Felt story is a chance to walk down happy-memory lane, to the halcyon days of the 1970s, before talk radio, cable news and the blogosphere. Yes, Nixon was president, but liberalism was nevertheless entrenched in the media and in Congress. So when Watergate erupted in 1973, the press and the Democrats were ready. Their man, Archibald Cox, a top Justice Department official under John F. Kennedy, was brought in from Harvard to do in Nixon. And when Nixon fired Cox, he was forced to name yet another loyal Democrat, Leon Jaworski, to finish the job. Let's make one thing perfectly clear: Nixon was a crook. His White House tapes prove that. But what was absent back then was any sense of perspective in which Nixon's sins were compared to those of other presidents. As an impressionable teen back then, I remember the chairman of the Watergate investigating committee, Sen. Sam Ervin (D-N.C.), declaring that the scandal was "the greatest tragedy this country has ever suffered, [worse than] the Civil War." At the time, I took those words to heart, mostly because there was no voice in the media to simply laugh out loud in derisive response. Watergate was worse than the death of 600,000 people in the War Between the States? Worse than the Depression? Worse than any number of disasters, epidemics, lynchings and assassinations? Please. A few perspectival voices popped up, but only on the fringes. In 1977, Victor Lasky published "It Didn't Start With Watergate," which chronicled Democratic presidential wrongdoing, including John Kennedy's misuse of the IRS and the FBI, as well as Lyndon Johnson's wiretapping of Barry Goldwater. In today's more diverse media environment, Lasky's book would be a huge best-seller. OK, back to the present. Felt is being lionized, but he's a strange kind of hero. In 1980, he was convicted of ordering FBI agents to burgle the homes of political dissidents. Isn't that kind of close to what Nixon's men were guilty of? And after decades of denial, at 91, now he comes forward - or at least his daughter does, on the stroke-ridden old man's behalf. As she explained to Vanity Fair, "Bob Woodward's gonna get all the glory for this, but we could make at least enough money to pay some bills." Woodward, of course, gets money as well as glory. After decades' worth of book and movie deals, he and Carl Bernstein sold their papers for $5 million. Some of that wealth comes from the deliberate "embellishment" of the Deep Throat legend, according to Watergate expert Adrian Havill, who demonstrated the physical implausibility of many of the cloak-and-dagger details of Woodward's account - the moved flowerpots, the marked newspapers - in his 1993 book, "Deep Truth." And Timothy Noah of Slate.com - a Web site owned, interestingly enough, by The Washington Post - took note of other untruths. For example, Woodward always described Deep Throat as a heavy smoker. But, in fact, Felt was not a smoker. While Woodward might call this faux detail a piece of "necessary misdirection," in order to protect a source, Noah snapped, "I call it conscious fabrication, however trivial." Watergate was not trivial. But neither was it an Armageddon-like triumph of good over evil. But for sure, it represented the high-water mark of the MSM, before its tide rolled out, drained away by new technology. We shall not see that sort of unidirectional press-flood again. James P. Pinkerton's e-mail ad- dress is pinkerto@ix.netcom.com. Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc. -------------------------------- PEGGY NOONAN The Legend of Deep Throat Was Mark Felt really a hero? Thursday, June 2, 2005 12:01 a.m. Some wounds don't fully heal because they're too deep and cut too close to the bone. The story that Deep Throat was Mark Felt has torn open old wounds. Pat Buchanan, Robert Novak and Chuck Colson--all at the top of their game 30 years ago, all very much in the game today--were passionate in their criticism, saying Mr. Felt has little to be proud of, was unprofessional, harmed his country. Ben Stein was blunt: Mr. Felt "broke the law, broke his oath, and broke his code of ethics." Old Watergate hand Richard Ben-Veniste and the Washington Post's Richard Cohen called Mr. Felt a hero. The old battle lines fall into place. As to the higher themes of the story, some were credulous. On the "Today" show yesterday Chris Matthews called those who have criticized Mr. Felt "hacks and flacks," whereas reporters "are looking for the truth" and can be trusted. Glad he cleared that up. Was Mr. Felt a hero? No one wants to be hard on an ailing 91-year-old man. Mr. Felt no doubt operated in some perceived jeopardy and judged himself brave. He had every right to disapprove of and wish to stop what he saw as new moves to politicize the FBI. But a hero would have come forward, resigned his position, declared his reasons, and exposed himself to public scrutiny. He would have taken the blows and the kudos. (Knowing both Nixon and the media, there would have been plenty of both.) Heroes pay the price. Mr. Felt simply leaked information gained from his position in government to damage those who were doing what he didn't want done. Then he retired with a government pension. This does not appear to have been heroism, and he appears to have known it. Thus, perhaps, the great silence. His motives were apparently mixed, as motives often are. He was passed over to replace J. Edgar Hoover as director of the FBI by President Nixon, who apparently wanted in that place not a Hoover man but a more malleable appointee. Mr. Felt was resentful. He believed Nixon meant to jeopardize the agency's independence. Here we have a hitch in the story. The liberal story line on the FBI was that under Hoover it had too much independence, which Hoover protected with his famous secret files and a reputation for ruthlessness. Mr. Felt was a Hoover man who joined the FBI in 1942, when it was young; he rose under Hoover and never knew another director. When Hooverism was threatened, Mr. Felt moved. In this sense Richard Nixon was J. Edgar Hoover's last victim. History is an irony factory. Even if Mr. Felt had mixed motives, even if he did not choose the most courageous path in attempting to spread what he thought was the truth, his actions might be judged by their fruits. The Washington Post said yesterday that Mr. Felt's information allowed them to continue their probe. That probe brought down a president. Ben Stein is angry but not incorrect: What Mr. Felt helped produce was a weakened president who was a serious president at a serious time. Nixon's ruin led to a cascade of catastrophic events--the crude and humiliating abandonment of Vietnam and the Vietnamese, the rise of a monster named Pol Pot, and millions--millions--killed in his genocide. America lost confidence; the Soviet Union gained brazenness. What a terrible time. Is it terrible when an American president lies and surrounds himself by dirty tricksters? Yes, it is. How about the butchering of children in the South China Sea. Is that worse? Yes. Infinitely, unforgettably and forever. And so the story that Mark Felt was Deep Throat exposes old fissures, and those fissures are alive and can burst open because a wound this size--all this death, all this loss--doesn't really heal. Maybe the big lesson on Felt and Watergate is as simple as the law of unintended consequences. You do something and things happen and you don't mean them to, and if you could take it back you would, but it's too late. The repercussions have already repercussed. Mark Felt cannot have intended to encourage such epic destruction. He must have thought he was doing the right thing, protecting his agency and maybe getting some forgivable glee out of making Nixon look bad. But oh the implications. Literally: the horror. Were there heroes of Watergate? Surely many unknown ones, those who did their best to be constructive and not destructive, those who didn't think it was all about their beautiful careers. I'll give you a candidate for great man of the era: Chuck Colson. Colson functioned in the Nixon White House as a genuinely bad man, went to prison and emerged a genuinely good man. He told the truth about himself in "Born Again," a book not fully appreciated as the great Washington classic it is, and has devoted his life to helping prisoners and their families. He paid the price, told the truth, blamed no one but himself, and turned his shame into something helpful. Children aren't dead because of him. There are children who are alive because of him. Is the Deep Throat story over? Yes, in the sense that it will no longer be treated as a mystery. In spite of the million questions we'll be hearing--and there are and will be many serious questions--the MSM will stick with the heroic narrative. Mr. Felt was Deep Throat. Deep Throat was a great man who helped a great newspaper put the stop to the lies and abuses of an out-of-control White House. End of story. Why? Because in celebrating this story in a certain way journalists of a certain age celebrate themselves. Because to bring unwelcome and unwanted skepticism to the narrative would be to deny 20th-century journalism--and 21st-century journalists--their great claim to glory. Because the MSM is still liberal, and the great Satan of all liberals, still, is Richard Nixon. And because, as Ben Bradlee might say, It's a goddamn good story. Or as they put it in yet another John Ford masterpiece, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance," "When the legend becomes the fact, print the legend." Ms. Noonan is a contributing editor of The Wall Street Journal and author of "A Heart, a Cross, and a Flag" (Wall Street Journal Books/Simon & Schuster), a collection of post-Sept. 11 columns, which you can buy from the OpinionJournal bookstore. Her column appears Thursdays. Copyright ? 2005 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. -------------------------------------- June 2, 2005 Hoover's Guy By Thomas Lifson I am confused by the liberal media. Until yesterday?s revelation that Mark Felt was Deep Throat, I was pretty sure that liberals disapproved when a top official of the FBI gathered information from the Bureau?s formidable investigative apparatus, and then used that information to accomplish a personal agenda, by threatening to use it to discredit top politicians, or even, in rare cases, using it to bring down someone. That was the rap against J. Edgar Hoover. Supposedly, he kept detailed dossiers on all the top officials in Washington, and his careful use of the occasionally compromising information his agents developed accounted for his unprecedented tenure in office, ample budgets, and positive press (as long as he was alive). Wasn?t it liberal gospel that J. Edgar Hoover, who built the FBI into our pre-eminent law enforcement agency, was an Evil Man? Didn?t liberals consider Hoover such an abuser of democracy that any tactics were justified to smear him? For example, it is now an established mass media meme that Hoover was a cross-dresser, despite the fact that the allegation he ever wore dresses was a highly questionable one, made by someone not in a direct position to know. Not to mention that liberals seem to think cross-dressing, gender identity switches, and even radical sex change operations, are nothing particular worrisome, and indeed, may well be a Liberating experience, and something to be celebrated in the name of diversity and tolerance. Not in the case of Hoover, though. So I don?t necessarily expect liberals to think clearly and be consistent when dealing with issues related to the FBI. But aren?t at least a few of them worried about what lionization of Mark Felt will mean for the future? Felt was an FBI loyalist in the image J. Edgar Hoover had created for the bureau in its glory days: a career official who lived by the bureau's codes, one of which was the sanctity of an investigation and the protection of secrets. He chased down lawbreakers of all kinds, using whatever means were available to the bureau, and was convicted in 1980 of authorizing illegal break-ins -- black-bag jobs, as they were known -- of friends of members of the Weather Underground. He was later pardoned by President Ronald Reagan. Mark Felt used confidential law enforcement data, the product of an ongoing criminal investigation, to get Richard Nixon out of office. Ever since he rose to national prominence fighting hidden domestic Communists like Alger Hiss, Richard Nixon was anathema to the liberals. Getting Nixon out of office was such a priority that maybe all sins can be forgiven. But there is the little matter of precedent. Felt is being hailed by liberals as a Hero of Our Time because he actually drove Nixon from office with his abuse of his high position in law enforcement. Can you imagine the reactions these same folk would have had if someone in law enforcement or the Secret Service had leaked information about Bill Clinton during the period when he was being impeached and tried? For the moment, liberals cannot help themselves. Nixon?s resignation was the absolute high point of liberal self-congratulatory righteousness in the last half century. Like paunchy, bald former frat boys at a thirtieth reunion remembering beer blasts and comely coeds, those days are surrounded by the glow treasured memories assume when current circumstances are less favorable. ?Those were the days, my friend, we thought they?d never end.? But they have ended. The last Democrat to win a convincing majority of the popular vote for President was Jimmy Carter, who rode into office in the wake of Watergate. The Democrats have spent more than a decade without a majority in the House, and are not positioned to get a Senate majority in the foreseeable future. The red states are growing in population and electoral clout, while the blues have the population and economic blues. In this environment, do the liberals really want to celebrate a man whose career was built in the shadow of J. Edgar Hoover? A man who took the opportunity to use confidential ;aw enforcement data to get revenge on an elected official by whom he felt slighted? I don?t think there will be many statues of Mark Felt. Once they get over their nostalgia bash, I think the liberals are going to sober up and realize that they tactics they now celebrate could be used against them. At least I hope so. 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Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 5 20:04:17 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Sun Jun 5 19:04:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators References: <024a01c569e4$d04d6440$d01f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <005101c56a22$e6a766d0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Stan: The biodiesel fuel is great; however, if the fuel sits for a spell you will still see "growth" in your filter bowl. Not a major problem: drain and go, or if it looks really nasty, change the filter. Biggest problem with generators is not using them enough and not using them with a load applied. Most guides, I believe, will tell you to run a hour or two a month minimum with load. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "stan" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators you wise men (and ladies) may have covered this already: does the use of 100% biodiesel fuel solve the diesel generator health problems? stan/gbi __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From gjm at macgra.com Sun Jun 5 20:25:10 2005 From: gjm at macgra.com (Gregg J. MacMillan) Date: Sun Jun 5 19:25:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] True Blue Photos In-Reply-To: <1e4.3cf8bfcf.2fd4615a@aol.com> References: <1e4.3cf8bfcf.2fd4615a@aol.com> Message-ID: >Gregg, >You need to change the caption on one of the pictures. You have a picture of >the "Admiral" with the caption "crew". I'm sure this is simply a typo. > Rummy Rummy-- Thanks for alerting me to the typo. I made the correction. I knew crew didn't sound right...that would seem to indicate a person that understands and takes orders and then carries out the command. That definitely is not correct. Admiral, someone better at giving than receiving orders, is much more appropriate. Today we had a nice breeze from the Southwest. It brought in some of that hot, moist 90 degree air from Memphis. (Thanks Brad!). It almost made me start thinking about air conditioning. I added a few new pictures to: --Gregg From robert at squirrelhaven.com Sun Jun 5 22:16:54 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Sun Jun 5 21:16:50 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators References: <20050605160719.40529.qmail@web32902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A3A406.F6E5FC15@squirrelhaven.com> brad haslett wrote: > ... > Even using straight diesel fuel solves the carbon > monoxide problem, biodiesel makes it smell better... Really? No CO from diesels? > I took the muffler cover off my Honda > eu1000i to have a good look at the muffler. It would > be very easy to weld a fitting on the muffler to > connect it to a flexible genturi type exhaust elevated > by an extra halyard. The coffee-can-nosebag-shop-vac-hose solution has the advantage of using cooling air outflow from the genset to mix with the exhaust and prevent the shop vac hose from melting. Further, as it requires mo modification of the genset, the genset can be used in other applications in its stock configuration. /Bob Skinner From flybrad at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 20:20:40 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sun Jun 5 22:20:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators In-Reply-To: <42A3A406.F6E5FC15@squirrelhaven.com> Message-ID: <20050606022040.5465.qmail@web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, Perhaps better wording would be "helps" solve the CO problem. Here is a link to an article about gas vs. diesel and an excerpt. http://www.yachtsurvey.com/GasDiesel.htm "Of far more concern is the issue of carbon monoxide poisoning. Diesel exhaust produces far less CO than gas exhaust, though diesel exhaust produces suphur dioxide that can quickly cause nausea, but is not life threatening. Gas generators are responsible for most instances of CO poisoning, with leaking exhuast systems and station wagon effect a very distant second place. If you plan to do much overighting at anchor with a generator running, diesel is definitely the way to go." The "genturi" I referred to in an earlier posts looks like what your "nosebag" sounds like. Still waiting on the photo. Your set-up sounds like the best of all so far. Brad --- Robert Skinner wrote: > brad haslett wrote: > > ... > > Even using straight diesel fuel solves the carbon > > monoxide problem, biodiesel makes it smell > better... > > Really? No CO from diesels? > > > I took the muffler cover off my Honda > > eu1000i to have a good look at the muffler. It > would > > be very easy to weld a fitting on the muffler to > > connect it to a flexible genturi type exhaust > elevated > > by an extra halyard. > > The coffee-can-nosebag-shop-vac-hose solution has > the > advantage of using cooling air outflow from the > genset > to mix with the exhaust and prevent the shop vac > hose > from melting. Further, as it requires mo > modification > of the genset, the genset can be used in other > applications in its stock configuration. > > /Bob Skinner > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Mon Jun 6 00:42:07 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Sun Jun 5 23:33:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? References: <000001c56902$cb3275a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> <000d01c56915$6affdcf0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <00b801c56a49$bc73f500$ad639c04@raysdesktop> Might there be anyone on the Rhodes 22 list who resides in New England and would be willing to let someone come down and see their boat? Even more desirable if possible would be the opportunity to go for a sail on one in order to get a concrete feel for sail characteristics. Thanks in advance for any assistance. From ASNOOCH at aol.com Mon Jun 6 01:50:53 2005 From: ASNOOCH at aol.com (ASNOOCH@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 6 00:51:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? Message-ID: <1dd.3eaf859e.2fd5302d@aol.com> I'm located on the East end of Long Island , an owner of the Rhodes 22, Golden Snooch.... Sailing several days per week from her slip in the Town of Southold. If you are still interested.... no problem... Burt From ekroposki at charter.net Mon Jun 6 08:06:52 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Mon Jun 6 07:07:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? In-Reply-To: <00b801c56a49$bc73f500$ad639c04@raysdesktop> Message-ID: <000601c56a87$db1060a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> James, New York has replied, but where in New England are you? Yes, there are several R22's in New England, but New York could be closer. We just have to guess. On the other hand, just get into your car and come to South Carolina. There are several of us on Lake Hartwell. Just come on down. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Sailing on Rummy's private impoundment, aka, Lake Hartwell: www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/hartnonc.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of James Wilson Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:42 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? Might there be anyone on the Rhodes 22 list who resides in New England and would be willing to let someone come down and see their boat? Even more desirable if possible would be the opportunity to go for a sail on one in order to get a concrete feel for sail characteristics. Thanks in advance for any assistance. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Mon Jun 6 09:10:03 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Mon Jun 6 08:02:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? References: <000601c56a87$db1060a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <00ca01c56a90$b420a3c0$ad639c04@raysdesktop> I live in Portsmouth, NH, so Maine NH, Mass would be ideal to keep commute to a minimum, If I need to travel further afield It is a possibility. Thank you for kind ofers to all who have responded so far. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:06 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? James, New York has replied, but where in New England are you? Yes, there are several R22's in New England, but New York could be closer. We just have to guess. On the other hand, just get into your car and come to South Carolina. There are several of us on Lake Hartwell. Just come on down. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Sailing on Rummy's private impoundment, aka, Lake Hartwell: www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/hartnonc.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of James Wilson Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:42 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? Might there be anyone on the Rhodes 22 list who resides in New England and would be willing to let someone come down and see their boat? Even more desirable if possible would be the opportunity to go for a sail on one in order to get a concrete feel for sail characteristics. Thanks in advance for any assistance. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jbconnolly at comcast.net Mon Jun 6 13:51:09 2005 From: jbconnolly at comcast.net (jbconnolly@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jun 6 08:51:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? Message-ID: <060620051251.20827.42A446BD0008D57B0000515B2207021053970404010202010C0D06@comcast.net> James, I live in Acton about an hour from you, and that is where the boat is, high and dry on the trailer. I haven't even had the winter cover off yet. There is at least one other R22 in Salem Harbor where I generally keep mine in summer, perhaps he can respond. Also I think there is one in Quincy Bay just south of Boston. Both are (at least periodically) on this list. Good Luck Jim Connolly > I live in Portsmouth, NH, so Maine NH, Mass would be ideal to keep commute > to a minimum, > > If I need to travel further afield It is a possibility. > > Thank you for kind ofers to all who have responded so far. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ed kroposki" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:06 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? > > > James, > New York has replied, but where in New England are you? Yes, there > are several R22's in New England, but New York could be closer. We just > have to guess. > On the other hand, just get into your car and come to South > Carolina. There are several of us on Lake Hartwell. Just come on down. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Sailing on Rummy's private impoundment, aka, Lake Hartwell: > www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/hartnonc.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of James Wilson > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:42 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? > > Might there be anyone on the Rhodes 22 list who resides in New England and > would be willing to let someone come down and see their boat? > > Even more desirable if possible would be the opportunity to go for a sail on > one in order to get a concrete feel for sail characteristics. > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From flybrad at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 16:19:48 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Mon Jun 6 18:19:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Message-ID: <20050606221948.78981.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perhaps you?ve forgotten, 61 years ago today, a lot of young American boys stormed and died taking the beaches of Normandy. Before that, a horrible number of boys, American and British, died taking control of the coast of North Africa. We fought the Vichy French for three days, and they mentally masturbated for the next week deciding whose side they were on. The French surrendered (was there some doubt) and the Vichy commanders eventually joined the Free French, with the sacrifice of our good men, and took France back from the Germans. Note: if you disagree with this assessment, REALLY do your homework and get back to me. We could have sat out the whole war ? Charles Lindbergh suggested that course (America First). We could have spared ourselves a whole lot of trouble ? the hundreds of thousands dead, creating Israel and the downstream confrontation and defense, the Cold War, and our current war against tyranny. We didn?t. The boys who charged the beaches 61 years ago and died on that beach didn?t dream of being a part of a world power (the US Army was the 16th largest military, right behind Romania at the start of the war). They didn?t dream of being a big shot in a world government. They wanted to go home to their farms and jobs in Iowa, Minnesota, California, etc., and live their life in peace. They?re mostly gone now. Let?s hope we have even a small part of their courage and perseverance. It would be remiss of us to not remember them on this day. Brad Haslett (Proud son of a ?Red Ball Express? soldier) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From david.walker5 at comcast.net Mon Jun 6 20:01:05 2005 From: david.walker5 at comcast.net (David Walker) Date: Mon Jun 6 19:01:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? References: <000001c56902$cb3275a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst><000d01c56915$6affdcf0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <00b801c56a49$bc73f500$ad639c04@raysdesktop> Message-ID: <001f01c56aeb$a1784600$6401a8c0@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> James, My R22, Windswept, is moored in Salem (MA) Harbor. You are welcome to come down and see her, just let me know and we can set up a time. Dave David Walker David Walker Photography davidwalkerphotography.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Wilson" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? > Might there be anyone on the Rhodes 22 list who resides in New England and > would be willing to let someone come down and see their boat? > > Even more desirable if possible would be the opportunity to go for a sail on > one in order to get a concrete feel for sail characteristics. > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Mon Jun 6 20:20:42 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Mon Jun 6 19:21:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? In-Reply-To: <060620051251.20827.42A446BD0008D57B0000515B2207021053970404010202010C0D06@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001c56aee$602cda00$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> James, It is amazing when you give people precise information the answers you get. You might want to help Jim get his boat into the water. You might just learn a great deal. That is, if he is going to put the boat into the water this year. He failed to provide us that detail. I have a brother who lives in Hollis, NH. His interest are not sailboats. Although he took his kids out on my boat in the rain on Memorial day. He kept hiding in the cabin, trying to stay dry. Down here the rain is warm, not a hypothermia problem. You could still fly down, we can sail in the rain down here. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: James check this out: www.portsmouthherald.com/news/webcam.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of jbconnolly@comcast.net Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:51 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? James, I live in Acton about an hour from you, and that is where the boat is, high and dry on the trailer. I haven't even had the winter cover off yet. There is at least one other R22 in Salem Harbor where I generally keep mine in summer, perhaps he can respond. Also I think there is one in Quincy Bay just south of Boston. Both are (at least periodically) on this list. Good Luck Jim Connolly > I live in Portsmouth, NH, so Maine NH, Mass would be ideal to keep commute > to a minimum, > > If I need to travel further afield It is a possibility. > > Thank you for kind ofers to all who have responded so far. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ed kroposki" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:06 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? > > > James, > New York has replied, but where in New England are you? Yes, there > are several R22's in New England, but New York could be closer. We just > have to guess. > On the other hand, just get into your car and come to South > Carolina. There are several of us on Lake Hartwell. Just come on down. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Sailing on Rummy's private impoundment, aka, Lake Hartwell: > www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/hartnonc.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of James Wilson > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:42 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? > > Might there be anyone on the Rhodes 22 list who resides in New England and > would be willing to let someone come down and see their boat? > > Even more desirable if possible would be the opportunity to go for a sail on > one in order to get a concrete feel for sail characteristics. > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com Mon Jun 6 23:06:15 2005 From: BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com (Robert and Sandra Fuller) Date: Mon Jun 6 22:06:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site Message-ID: <000501c56b05$7cfd9810$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> You have got to love this site. Where else could a guy who knows little about sailing and less about computers find himself referred to as "a guru in Florida"? Nonetheless, a way to search the archives is to first download whatever portion of the archives interests you onto your computer. Then install Google's "Desktop Search" and use it to search out the keywords of your topic. Bob F. From sdscrop at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 6 23:23:11 2005 From: sdscrop at bellsouth.net (sdscrop@bellsouth.net) Date: Mon Jun 6 22:23:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Sailing Biscayne Bay Message-ID: <20050607022311.OYEF4468.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Richard, I have a Rhodes 22 and am located in Pompano Beach, docked near the Hilsboro Inlet. If you have any questions I am not that far from you. From R22RumRunner at aol.com Tue Jun 7 07:12:30 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 7 06:12:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? Message-ID: <7e.6b0b0331.2fd6cd0e@aol.com> Ed, Rain waters down the rum and coke. Be sure to use a cup with a cover and in this case a straw is permissible. Rummy From ekroposki at charter.net Tue Jun 7 08:45:11 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Tue Jun 7 07:45:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <000501c56b05$7cfd9810$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Message-ID: <000001c56b56$5d3ceac0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Will or Michael: Maybe you could add Bob F.'s instructions to the archive page of the R22 site? Occasionally, somebody might read the instructions. At the very least we could do as Michael is prone to do and say read the ..... Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Annapolis Boat Show Place: www.annapolis.org/camview.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Robert and Sandra Fuller Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:06 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site You have got to love this site. Where else could a guy who knows little about sailing and less about computers find himself referred to as "a guru in Florida"? Nonetheless, a way to search the archives is to first download whatever portion of the archives interests you onto your computer. Then install Google's "Desktop Search" and use it to search out the keywords of your topic. Bob F. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From eyeballs at maxinter.net Tue Jun 7 11:01:21 2005 From: eyeballs at maxinter.net (Mark Metzler) Date: Tue Jun 7 10:01:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day References: <20050606221948.78981.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A5A8B1.000001.04020@COMPUTER> Thanks Brad, not sappy at all. I, too remember each year and am thankful for the sacrifice of so many of our men. Mark Metzler - son of T Sgt. Louis Metzler - B-29 gunner -------Original Message------- From: The Rhodes 22 mail list Date: 06/06/05 18:19:53 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Perhaps you?ve forgotten, 61 years ago today, a lot of young American boys stormed and died taking the beaches of Normandy. Before that, a horrible number of boys, American and British, died taking control of the coast of North Africa. We fought the Vichy French for three days, and they mentally masturbated for the next week deciding whose side they were on. The French surrendered (was there some doubt) and the Vichy commanders eventually joined the Free French, with the sacrifice of our good men, and took France back from the Germans. Note: if you disagree with this assessment, REALLY do your homework and get back to me. We could have sat out the whole war ? Charles Lindbergh suggested that course (America First). We could have spared ourselves a whole lot of trouble ? the hundreds of thousands dead, creating Israel and the downstream confrontation and defense, the Cold War, and our current war against tyranny. We didn?t. The boys who charged the beaches 61 years ago and died on that beach didn?t dream of being a part of a world power (the US Army was the 16th largest military, right behind Romania at the start of the war). They didn?t dream of being a big shot in a world government. They wanted to go home to their farms and jobs in Iowa, Minnesota, California, etc., and live their life in peace. They?re mostly gone now. Let?s hope we have even a small part of their courage and perseverance. It would be remiss of us to not remember them on this day. Brad Haslett (Proud son of a ?Red Ball Express? soldier) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From stan at rhodes22.com Tue Jun 7 12:31:06 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Tue Jun 7 11:31:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day References: <20050606221948.78981.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42A5A8B1.000001.04020@COMPUTER> Message-ID: <068301c56b75$efb242f0$d01f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> can't resist: "Sappy"? depends on which war and for what and how run. I played myself in WW2, son of Harold Spitzer, WW1. But, at the risk of beating a dead issue, if a war is worth starting it has to be worth winning and that means the home front musts be willing to forget the "guns and butter" approach. Most of these kids who joined the National Guard under disingenuous implications, have not given their lives for this one - their lives have been taken. Don't get mad at me until you can truthfully say that you are willing to give your life to get of rid Sadam. back to butter and sailboats. stan/ec . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Metzler" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > Thanks Brad, not sappy at all. I, too remember each year and am thankful > for the sacrifice of so many of our men. > Mark Metzler - son of T Sgt. Louis Metzler - B-29 gunner > > -------Original Message------- > > From: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: 06/06/05 18:19:53 > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > Perhaps you've forgotten, 61 years ago today, a lot of > young American boys stormed and died taking the > beaches of Normandy. Before that, a horrible number > of boys, American and British, died taking control of > the coast of North Africa. We fought the Vichy French > for three days, and they mentally masturbated for the > next week deciding whose side they were on. The > French surrendered (was there some doubt) and the > Vichy commanders eventually joined the Free French, > with the sacrifice of our good men, and took France > back from the Germans. Note: if you disagree with > this assessment, REALLY do your homework and get back > to me. We could have sat out the whole war - Charles > Lindbergh suggested that course (America First). We > could have spared ourselves a whole lot of trouble - > the hundreds of thousands dead, creating Israel and > the downstream confrontation and defense, the Cold > War, and our current war against tyranny. > > We didn't. The boys who charged the beaches 61 years > ago and died on that beach didn't dream of being a > part of a world power (the US Army was the 16th > largest military, right behind Romania at the start of > the war). They didn't dream of being a big shot in a > world government. They wanted to go home to their > farms and jobs in Iowa, Minnesota, California, etc., > and live their life in peace. They're mostly gone > now. Let's hope we have even a small part of their > courage and perseverance. > > It would be remiss of us to not remember them on this > day. > > Brad Haslett > (Proud son of a "Red Ball Express" soldier) > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 09:49:40 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue Jun 7 11:49:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <068301c56b75$efb242f0$d01f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <20050607154940.9231.qmail@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Of course I am willing to give my life to get rid of Sadam and all the rest of them. The real questions is why are you not supportive of ridding the planet of a tyrant like that. Well, I guess the Democratic Party stands for rape, murder, spraying honest hard working people with chemical weapons, etc, etc. I am glad I am not a member of that party:-) Democrats need to stop thinking about themselves. It is not what the government can do for you but what you can do for your country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! Steve --- stan wrote: > can't resist: > > "Sappy"? depends on which war and for what and how > run. I played myself in > WW2, son of Harold Spitzer, WW1. But, at the risk of > beating a dead issue, > if a war is worth starting it has to be worth > winning and that means the > home front musts be willing to forget the "guns and > butter" approach. Most > of these kids who joined the National Guard under > disingenuous implications, > have not given their lives for this one - their > lives have been taken. > Don't get mad at me until you can truthfully say > that you are willing to > give your life to get of rid Sadam. > > back to butter and sailboats. > > stan/ec > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Metzler" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > > Thanks Brad, not sappy at all. I, too remember > each year and am thankful > > for the sacrifice of so many of our men. > > Mark Metzler - son of T Sgt. Louis Metzler - B-29 > gunner > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > Date: 06/06/05 18:19:53 > > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > > Perhaps you've forgotten, 61 years ago today, a > lot of > > young American boys stormed and died taking the > > beaches of Normandy. Before that, a horrible > number > > of boys, American and British, died taking control > of > > the coast of North Africa. We fought the Vichy > French > > for three days, and they mentally masturbated for > the > > next week deciding whose side they were on. The > > French surrendered (was there some doubt) and the > > Vichy commanders eventually joined the Free > French, > > with the sacrifice of our good men, and took > France > > back from the Germans. Note: if you disagree with > > this assessment, REALLY do your homework and get > back > > to me. We could have sat out the whole war - > Charles > > Lindbergh suggested that course (America First). > We > > could have spared ourselves a whole lot of trouble > - > > the hundreds of thousands dead, creating Israel > and > > the downstream confrontation and defense, the Cold > > War, and our current war against tyranny. > > > > We didn't. The boys who charged the beaches 61 > years > > ago and died on that beach didn't dream of being a > > part of a world power (the US Army was the 16th > > largest military, right behind Romania at the > start of > > the war). They didn't dream of being a big shot in > a > > world government. They wanted to go home to their > > farms and jobs in Iowa, Minnesota, California, > etc., > > and live their life in peace. They're mostly gone > > now. Let's hope we have even a small part of their > > courage and perseverance. > > > > It would be remiss of us to not remember them on > this > > day. > > > > Brad Haslett > > (Proud son of a "Red Ball Express" soldier) > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 09:56:15 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue Jun 7 11:56:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Message-ID: <20050607155615.98037.qmail@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know how this can be solved. If the Democrats consenstrate on just killing American citizens by pulling out thier feeding tubes and keep the presure up so women can keep killing thier babies; then that will free up time for the Republican to handle running the world & any necessary killing as it relate to this:-) You must admit that we do all the hard work!!!! Steve PS - Work, Work, Work; that all I ever do!!!!!!!!! --- Steve wrote: > Of course I am willing to give my life to get rid of > Sadam and all the rest of them. The real questions > is > why are you not supportive of ridding the planet of > a > tyrant like that. > > Well, I guess the Democratic Party stands for rape, > murder, spraying honest hard working people with > chemical weapons, etc, etc. I am glad I am not a > member of that party:-) Democrats need to stop > thinking about themselves. It is not what the > government can do for you but what you can do for > your > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > Steve > > > > --- stan wrote: > > > can't resist: > > > > "Sappy"? depends on which war and for what and > how > > run. I played myself in > > WW2, son of Harold Spitzer, WW1. But, at the risk > of > > beating a dead issue, > > if a war is worth starting it has to be worth > > winning and that means the > > home front musts be willing to forget the "guns > and > > butter" approach. Most > > of these kids who joined the National Guard under > > disingenuous implications, > > have not given their lives for this one - their > > lives have been taken. > > Don't get mad at me until you can truthfully say > > that you are willing to > > give your life to get of rid Sadam. > > > > back to butter and sailboats. > > > > stan/ec > > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Metzler" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > D-Day > > > > > > > Thanks Brad, not sappy at all. I, too remember > > each year and am thankful > > > for the sacrifice of so many of our men. > > > Mark Metzler - son of T Sgt. Louis Metzler - > B-29 > > gunner > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > From: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > Date: 06/06/05 18:19:53 > > > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > > > > Perhaps you've forgotten, 61 years ago today, a > > lot of > > > young American boys stormed and died taking the > > > beaches of Normandy. Before that, a horrible > > number > > > of boys, American and British, died taking > control > > of > > > the coast of North Africa. We fought the Vichy > > French > > > for three days, and they mentally masturbated > for > > the > > > next week deciding whose side they were on. The > > > French surrendered (was there some doubt) and > the > > > Vichy commanders eventually joined the Free > > French, > > > with the sacrifice of our good men, and took > > France > > > back from the Germans. Note: if you disagree > with > > > this assessment, REALLY do your homework and get > > back > > > to me. We could have sat out the whole war - > > Charles > > > Lindbergh suggested that course (America First). > > We > > > could have spared ourselves a whole lot of > trouble > > - > > > the hundreds of thousands dead, creating Israel > > and > > > the downstream confrontation and defense, the > Cold > > > War, and our current war against tyranny. > > > > > > We didn't. The boys who charged the beaches 61 > > years > > > ago and died on that beach didn't dream of being > a > > > part of a world power (the US Army was the 16th > > > largest military, right behind Romania at the > > start of > > > the war). They didn't dream of being a big shot > in > > a > > > world government. They wanted to go home to > their > > > farms and jobs in Iowa, Minnesota, California, > > etc., > > > and live their life in peace. They're mostly > gone > > > now. Let's hope we have even a small part of > their > > > courage and perseverance. > > > > > > It would be remiss of us to not remember them on > > this > > > day. > > > > > > Brad Haslett > > > (Proud son of a "Red Ball Express" soldier) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > > viruses. > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From salm at mn.rr.com Tue Jun 7 14:37:29 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Tue Jun 7 14:37:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <20050607154940.9231.qmail@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is not what the > government can do for you but what you can do for your > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > Steve Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous quote by a famous Democrat named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like this: "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 13:48:17 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue Jun 7 15:48:22 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050607194817.78044.qmail@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) Steve PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone but there are a few Dems I like:-) --- Slim wrote: > It is not what the > > government can do for you but what you can do for > your > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > Steve > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous quote > by a famous Democrat > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like this: > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for > you, but what you can do > for your country." > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 13:55:24 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue Jun 7 15:55:28 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Message-ID: <20050607195524.51988.qmail@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Slim Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to war over nukes in Cuba:-) Taking this country to war over something like weapon of mass distruction!!! I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) Steve --- Steve wrote: > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) > Steve > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone > but > there are a few Dems I like:-) > > --- Slim wrote: > > > It is not what the > > > government can do for you but what you can do > for > > your > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > Steve > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > quote > > by a famous Democrat > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > this: > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for > > you, but what you can do > > for your country." > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From mkaynor at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 17:08:04 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Tue Jun 7 16:08:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <20050607195524.51988.qmail@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42a5fea6.3bb6aaa8.332c.ffffb2a7@mx.gmail.com> Hey Steve, Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe?:-) Being unfaithful to his wife in the White House!!! I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Hey Slim Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to war over nukes in Cuba:-) Taking this country to war over something like weapon of mass distruction!!! I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) Steve --- Steve wrote: > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) Steve > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone but there are a few > Dems I like:-) > > --- Slim wrote: > > > It is not what the > > > government can do for you but what you can do > for > > your > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > Steve > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > quote > > by a famous Democrat > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > this: > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for you, but what you > > can do for your country." > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! 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Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 14:35:30 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue Jun 7 16:35:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <42a5fea6.3bb6aaa8.332c.ffffb2a7@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050607203530.4814.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah, those were the days:-) Steve --- Mark Kaynor wrote: > Hey Steve, > Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair with > Marilyn Monroe?:-) > Being unfaithful to his wife in the White House!!! > I have never heard of > such an abuse of power:-) Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > Hey Slim > Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to > war over nukes in Cuba:-) > Taking this country to war over something like > weapon of mass distruction!!! > I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) > Steve > > > > --- Steve wrote: > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) > Steve > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone > but there are a few > > Dems I like:-) > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > It is not what the > > > > government can do for you but what you can do > > for > > > your > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > Steve > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > > quote > > > by a famous Democrat > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > > this: > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do > for you, but what you > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dedallas at telus.net Tue Jun 7 15:51:59 2005 From: dedallas at telus.net (David Dallas) Date: Tue Jun 7 16:49:52 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Message-ID: <000001c56ba2$bff07cd0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan?s help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but this is my first experience with a ?bigger? boat. I live in Calgary, Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or two as I gain experience. Two questions right of the top are: 1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan?s instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn?t notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. 2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere (can?t remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your recommendations? Thank-you for your time. David Dallas From R22RumRunner at aol.com Tue Jun 7 18:05:57 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 7 17:06:03 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Message-ID: <77.4708376b.2fd76635@aol.com> David, Welcome to the list. I can't help you with either of your questions, but happy sailing. Rummy From R22RumRunner at aol.com Tue Jun 7 18:08:45 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 7 17:08:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kenyon stove recall. Message-ID: <46.6af32cf6.2fd766dd@aol.com> I found this through a Google search. _http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01198.html_ (http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01198.html) From salm at mn.rr.com Tue Jun 7 17:29:21 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Tue Jun 7 17:29:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <000001c56ba2$bff07cd0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Message-ID: Hello David and welcome. Congrats on your Rhodes. I've been to the Calgary Stampede and also skied at Lake Louise. Beautiful area! I can't help you with your CDI, but we used to have a Kenyon stove but we changed to Coleman camp stove: http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?productId=9320681&storeId=80 00&catalogId=40000008000&langId=-1&color=&img=/media/671671Lrg.jpg&view=larg e&vcat=REI_SSHP_CAMPING_TOC This link might not work so go to www.rei.com and search stoves and look for the Coleman Exponent Xpedition (item 671671). It's a portable two-burner that folds up nearly flat and stores easily. It uses propane fuel bottles. We like it because we can use it out on the cockpit table or in the galley or anywhere else. We've taken it camping and have even used it at home (don't ask). It's a great little stove for almost any purpose. I think it beats the one-burner butane Kenyon hands down. Slim On 6/7/05 3:51 PM, "David Dallas" wrote: > Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site > for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan?s > help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a > demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of > it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, > marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great > shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and > figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but > this is my first experience with a ?bigger? boat. I live in Calgary, > Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I > will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) > and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on > vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had > our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and > questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I > love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going > through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great > help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and > adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list > who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. > I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or > two as I gain experience. > > > > Two questions right of the top are: > > > > 1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out > more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the > furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan?s > instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn?t > notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious > to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or > suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. > > > > 2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere > (can?t remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know > about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your > recommendations? > > > > Thank-you for your time. > > > > David Dallas > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Tue Jun 7 18:55:58 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 7 17:56:03 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Message-ID: <1ee.3d43f282.2fd771ee@aol.com> Slim, Kenyon will fix the valve for free. From ekroposki at charter.net Tue Jun 7 19:16:13 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Tue Jun 7 18:16:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <000001c56ba2$bff07cd0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Message-ID: <000201c56bae$8794e1d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> David: It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, --- what is a UPP that are you that you have, the porta potti? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 7 19:23:05 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Tue Jun 7 18:29:17 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <000501c56b05$7cfd9810$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Message-ID: Bob and Sandra, Thanks for replying... I only joined this group in Aug.'04. I have kept a lot of the email responses, and whenever they look extremely useful I even label them by a helpful search word. I am not an email or computer guru by any stretch... I use Outlook Express on, yes, a mac, most of the time. Occasionally I will jump to my teens' p.c. when necessary... I use google often. Still, I don't have the foggiest idea how I would go about downloading the archives....that is my really basic question... Will you take this down a few steps lower to my oh so basic level, and try to explain that? I use the www.rhodes22.org site often. Last fall I was scolded a bit for asking questions that I should have looked up in the archives or the rhodes22.org site, so I have become a bit email-shy about asking questions... Ed was nice enough to help try to get me the answer. Thanks all. Phyllis Whisper (We had a nice, hot sail Sunday...Raritan Bay) > From: "Robert and Sandra Fuller" > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:06:15 -0400 > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site > > You have got to love this site. Where else could a guy who knows little about > sailing and less about computers find himself referred to as "a guru in > Florida"? > Nonetheless, a way to search the archives is to first download whatever > portion of the archives interests you onto your computer. Then install > Google's "Desktop Search" and use it to search out the keywords of your topic. > Bob F. > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From mkaynor at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 19:33:52 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Tue Jun 7 18:34:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <000001c56ba2$bff07cd0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Message-ID: <42a620d2.35fb1a0b.0bc7.5a7c@mx.gmail.com> David, If I recall correctly, CDI recommends cleaning the furler by flushing it with fresh water. We had the same furler on Raven - I posted the owners manual on the Rhodes22.org web site - look here: http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/ Mark Kaynor -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David Dallas Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:52 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan?s help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but this is my first experience with a ?bigger? boat. I live in Calgary, Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or two as I gain experience. Two questions right of the top are: 1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan?s instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn?t notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. 2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere (can?t remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your recommendations? Thank-you for your time. David Dallas __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From anima13 at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 7 20:13:19 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Tue Jun 7 20:11:32 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <000001c56ba2$bff07cd0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Message-ID: Welcome, David, I have solved several problems with roller furling and mostly it will involve the coiled line in the furler. These are easy to dismantle and put together. I am not absolutely familiar with the CDI, but be sure to investigate for a small plastic piece that may assist the rolling. this may be broken. You can replace the Kenyon stove with a glo-mate. I am quite sure these will fit, for that is what I had in my Rhodes. Have you figured how to reef the main? The Rhodes is such a cool working and cool looking boat! happy winds, Anne KY Lake -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of David Dallas Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:52 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan?s help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but this is my first experience with a ?bigger? boat. I live in Calgary, Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or two as I gain experience. Two questions right of the top are: 1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan?s instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn?t notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. 2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere (can?t remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your recommendations? Thank-you for your time. David Dallas __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com Tue Jun 7 21:40:27 2005 From: BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com (Robert and Sandra Fuller) Date: Tue Jun 7 20:40:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site Message-ID: <000501c56bc2$ab00c8f0$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Yup, it can be a testy group. Ed also suggested this method to me originally. It takes longer to describe than to do. I suggest you first go to the Google site and install the specific program "Desktop Search". Return to Rhodes 22-List Archives. You will see the archives are subdivided into months, e.g., "May 2005". The far right-hand column is labeled "downloadable version". Left mouse click on that downloadable version for May 2005. This brings up a submenu from which (with a right mouse click) you select "save target". At least on Windows XP, this stores that month's archive under "My Documents". Don't know about a Mac. You can then search for a key word or phrase using desktop search. You don't have to open the document; Desktop finds the phrase so long as it is on your computer. As a bonus, the infamous "failure to change the subject line" does not limit your results. I have done this for about 1/2 the archives with good results and am presently transferring them to a cd. You can probably store directly on a cd but this goes beyond my capability. Note as well at the top of archives is an option, "Download full raw archive". I could never get this to work properly as the earlier months kept getting hung up midway thru the download. Don't know if it was a site glitch or my technique. It would be easier and certainly worth a shot. Let me know if you have difficulty. Made the mistake of taking a little Hobie Cat out in higher winds today. Got the mainsail hung up and had to capsize to derig. IMF is easier. Bob F. From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 7 21:59:58 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:00:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions References: <42a620d2.35fb1a0b.0bc7.5a7c@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007901c56bc5$64af5a30$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> David: Another thing to check is to be sure that the furling line is wound in sufficient length to permit the sail to unfurl fully. This can be an issue with just about any furling system. If the sail is furled in heavy wind and gets wrapped tightly, if there is not sufficient line around the drum, the sail will not fully furl. Likewise if the line is not sufficient, you may have the problem you describe. I would try to unfurl the sail during a windless period (early morning or late evening seems to work in most areas) to see if the line is sufficiently (or in-sufficiently) wrapped on the drum. Mark's suggestion may be the alternative if the problem is mechanical. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kaynor" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions David, If I recall correctly, CDI recommends cleaning the furler by flushing it with fresh water. We had the same furler on Raven - I posted the owners manual on the Rhodes22.org web site - look here: http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/ Mark Kaynor -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David Dallas Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:52 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan's help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but this is my first experience with a 'bigger' boat. I live in Calgary, Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or two as I gain experience. Two questions right of the top are: 1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan's instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn't notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. 2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere (can't remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your recommendations? Thank-you for your time. David Dallas __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com Tue Jun 7 22:09:28 2005 From: BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com (Robert and Sandra Fuller) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:09:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site Message-ID: <000501c56bc6$b8818600$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Phyllis, I just followed my directions with poor results. Simply right clicking on the last column "downloadable version" stores a more readable version (rather than left clicking and selecting save target). I have no idea why. Bob F. From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 7 22:16:03 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:22:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <000501c56bc6$b8818600$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Message-ID: Thank you very much for the detailed explanation. I will try it on the mac and the p.c. until I get stuck, at which I time I will go sailing! Phyllis > From: "Robert and Sandra Fuller" > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:09:28 -0400 > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site > > Phyllis, I just followed my directions with poor results. Simply right > clicking on the last column "downloadable version" stores a more readable > version (rather than left clicking and selecting save target). I have no idea > why. > Bob F. > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From ekroposki at charter.net Tue Jun 7 22:22:10 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:22:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Attention to gathering about Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <000501c56bc6$b8818600$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Message-ID: <000001c56bc8$82039030$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> I have been monitoring this discussion. I believe that it was Bill Effros who gave the original directions. We have a couple of resident computer wizes on this: specifically, Mark, Michael, Will and Bill Effros. Also a few others... But this a week night and none of the above might respond. Keep up the discussion. Ed K -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Robert and Sandra Fuller Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:09 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site Phyllis, I just followed my directions with poor results. Simply right clicking on the last column "downloadable version" stores a more readable version (rather than left clicking and selecting save target). I have no idea why. Bob F. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Tue Jun 7 22:22:38 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:30:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Attention to gathering about Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <000001c56bc8$82039030$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> References: <000001c56bc8$82039030$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <42A6485E.4070502@michaelmeltzer.com> Ed, Thier are 3 things I should doing right now. 1)working 2)taking a dump 3)Sending out the resume 4)food. Thats is my plans until midnight, Please note sex and sleep are already off the list, now you want to add more ??????????????????????????????????? ed kroposki wrote: >I have been monitoring this discussion. I believe that it was Bill Effros >who gave the original directions. We have a couple of resident computer >wizes on this: specifically, Mark, Michael, Will and Bill Effros. Also a >few others... > >But this a week night and none of the above might respond. Keep up the >discussion. > >Ed K > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Robert and Sandra >Fuller >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:09 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site > >Phyllis, I just followed my directions with poor results. Simply right >clicking on the last column "downloadable version" stores a more readable >version (rather than left clicking and selecting save target). I have no >idea why. >Bob F. >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > From hnw555 at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 22:41:05 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:41:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <007901c56bc5$64af5a30$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> References: <42a620d2.35fb1a0b.0bc7.5a7c@mx.gmail.com> <007901c56bc5$64af5a30$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: Bob, I think you are backwards. As the sail unfurls, the line will furl on the roller. As long as he has not ran out of the control line, this is not an issue for unfurling. Now, if you could not furl the sail all the way in, I would say that not enough line was wound on the drum. Hank On 6/7/05, Robert Quinn wrote: > David: Another thing to check is to be sure that the furling line is wound > in sufficient length to permit the sail to unfurl fully. This can be an > issue with just about any furling system. If the sail is furled in heavy > wind and gets wrapped tightly, if there is not sufficient line around the > drum, the sail will not fully furl. Likewise if the line is not sufficient, > you may have the problem you describe. I would try to unfurl the sail > during a windless period (early morning or late evening seems to work in > most areas) to see if the line is sufficiently (or in-sufficiently) wrapped > on the drum. > > Mark's suggestion may be the alternative if the problem is mechanical. > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kaynor" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:33 PM > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions > > > David, > > If I recall correctly, CDI recommends cleaning the furler by flushing it > with fresh water. We had the same furler on Raven - I posted the owners > manual on the Rhodes22.org web site - look here: > http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/ > > Mark Kaynor > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David Dallas > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:52 PM > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions > > Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site for > some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan's help last > summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a demo boat. > The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of it. It has > most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, marine head with > pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great shape, I am just dealing > with three years of neglect issues, and figuring out how everything works. > I have done some dinghy sailing, but this is my first experience with a > 'bigger' boat. I live in Calgary, Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost > Lake, a reservoir near here. I will also be trailering to British Columbia > (where I am originally from) and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and > Shushwap Lakes on vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last > weekend and had our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many > compliments and questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked > western Canada. I love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for > me. Going through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a > great > help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and > adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list who > have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. > I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or two as > I gain experience. > > > > Two questions right of the top are: > > > > 1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out > more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the > furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan's instructions > and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn't notice anything > obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious to someone with a > little experience. If anyone would care to comment or suggest something, it > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > 2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere > (can't remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know about > this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your recommendations? > > > > Thank-you for your time. > > > > David Dallas > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From sprocket80 at mail.com Tue Jun 7 22:36:10 2005 From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Tue Jun 7 22:36:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comments in general(possibly politics?) Message-ID: <20050608023610.483CE4BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) Steve, We have noticed. Actually everything you spout is just someone elses rehashed rhetoric. When pressed for supporting facts you always seem to be at a loss for words, (the only time this is so)or you start throwing profanity. Wouldn't it just be easier to quote the original source than start an argument? Admit it...you are just a follower and have no original thoughts of your own...just like dubya. Todd PS Here are a few for you: * "What luck it is for rulers that men do not think" (like when voting) * "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic.".... "The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."(sounds like a Republican mindset huh?) * "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." To credit the original speakers, they are Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Hitler and Hitler again, but all sound like "red state speak". DOH! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:48:17 -0700 (PDT) > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) > Steve > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone but > there are a few Dems I like:-) > > --- Slim wrote: > > > It is not what the > > > government can do for you but what you can do for > > your > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > Steve > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous quote > > by a famous Democrat > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like this: > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for > > you, but what you can do > > for your country." > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Wed Jun 8 08:57:32 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Wed Jun 8 07:57:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <000001c56ba2$bff07cd0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Message-ID: Ahoy Davd. Regarding furler problem. You mention you have UPP; was this a typo for UPS? If so I am guessing you have a second halyard for UPS (sail). Look up when you try to furl and see if the UPS halyard is wrapping around head sail. Just a thought ..... Wally >From: "David Dallas" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:51:59 -0600 > >Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site >for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan’s >help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a >demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of >it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, >marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great >shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and >figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but >this is my first experience with a ‘bigger’ boat. I live in Calgary, >Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I >will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) >and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on >vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had >our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and >questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I >love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going >through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great >help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and >adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list >who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. >I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or >two as I gain experience. > > > >Two questions right of the top are: > > > >1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out >more than approx 2/3 to ¾ of the Genoa. There was resistance and the >furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan’s >instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn’t >notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious >to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or >suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. > > > >2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere >(can’t remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know >about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your >recommendations? > > > >Thank-you for your time. > > > >David Dallas > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Wed Jun 8 09:01:45 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Wed Jun 8 08:01:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <42a5fea6.3bb6aaa8.332c.ffffb2a7@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mark, Steve is forgetting that there were actually nukes in Cuba and we had the pictures to prove it. To compare this to the situation Iraq is simply not logical. Ignoring facts is a problem for some! Wally >From: "Mark Kaynor" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:04 -0400 > >Hey Steve, >Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe?:-) >Being unfaithful to his wife in the White House!!! I have never heard of >such an abuse of power:-) Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > >Hey Slim >Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to war over nukes in >Cuba:-) >Taking this country to war over something like weapon of mass >distruction!!! >I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) Steve > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) Steve > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone but there are a few > > Dems I like:-) > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > It is not what the > > > > government can do for you but what you can do > > for > > > your > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > Steve > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > > quote > > > by a famous Democrat > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > > this: > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for you, but what you > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 8 10:05:56 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Wed Jun 8 09:06:10 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions References: Message-ID: <001201c56c2a$cf064cd0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Wally / David: Proof that the more brains on a topic the better we do. I had that exact problem on my boat last spring. The extra halyard wrapped itself on the furling swivel and kept it from unfurling. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions > Ahoy Davd. > > Regarding furler problem. You mention you have UPP; was this a typo for > UPS? If so I am guessing you have a second halyard for UPS (sail). Look up > when you try to furl and see if the UPS halyard is wrapping around head > sail. Just a thought ..... > > Wally > >>From: "David Dallas" >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>To: >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions >>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:51:59 -0600 >> >>Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site >>for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan's >>help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a >>demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of >>it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, >>marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great >>shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and >>figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but >>this is my first experience with a 'bigger' boat. I live in Calgary, >>Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I >>will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) >>and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on >>vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had >>our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and >>questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I >>love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going >>through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great >>help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and >>adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list >>who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. >>I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or >>two as I gain experience. >> >> >> >>Two questions right of the top are: >> >> >> >>1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out >>more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the >>furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan's >>instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn't >>notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious >>to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or >>suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >>2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere >>(can't remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know >>about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your >>recommendations? >> >> >> >>Thank-you for your time. >> >> >> >>David Dallas >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 07:32:38 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed Jun 8 09:32:40 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comments in general(possibly politics?) In-Reply-To: <20050608023610.483CE4BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20050608133238.99527.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Poor, Poor Todd, Just hang in there, you can probably learn the facts if you try:-) Steve --- Todd Tavares wrote: > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) > > Steve, > > We have noticed. Actually everything you spout > is just someone elses rehashed rhetoric. When > pressed for supporting facts you always seem to be > at a loss for words, (the only time this is so)or > you start throwing profanity. Wouldn't it just be > easier to quote the original source than start an > argument? Admit it...you are just a follower and > have no original thoughts of your own...just like > dubya. > > Todd > > PS Here are a few for you: > > * "What luck it is for rulers that men do not > think" (like when voting) > > * "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is > a statistic.".... "The victor will never be asked if > he told the truth."(sounds like a Republican mindset > huh?) > > * "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance > with the will of the Almighty Creator." > > > To credit the original speakers, they are Adolf > Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Hitler and Hitler again, but > all sound like "red state speak". DOH! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:48:17 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) > > Steve > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone > but > > there are a few Dems I like:-) > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > It is not what the > > > > government can do for you but what you can do > for > > > your > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > Steve > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > quote > > > by a famous Democrat > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > this: > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do > for > > > you, but what you can do > > > for your country." > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 8 12:22:25 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 11:21:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious Message-ID: <000a01c56c3d$dfed8fa0$660fa8c0@dell330> Hello Rhodies, Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day Memorial Day cruise at Kerr Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer outside, getting ready for our Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. (6/29-7/7) This morning, after a pretty hard rain last night, the cockpit speakers started making a strange noise. First the port speaker made a popping noise. I first noticed the noise after the sunlight started to warm Raven's topsides. I boarded and verified that all circuits were switched off and disconnected the speaker wire lead at the speaker to still the popping noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, a bit little louder. So, I boarded and again, verified all circuit were switched off again and disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the speaker. Does anybody have a guess as to what could be happening? PT From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 8 12:18:21 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 8 11:21:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c56c3d$509e6590$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Wally, WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, such as gas, bio, et al. The issue was preventing them getting nuc's, not that they already had them. The same issue now next door in Iran. Furthermore, nuclear is not limited to bomb explosives but also bomb results, ie, dirty explosives that contaminate. There was a complaint issued by the U.N. inspectors recently about missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone missing since the start of the war. If there was not problem, why are the U.N. inspectors complaining about missing nuclear stuff now? I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, but your last comment was not accurate. Humpf. Ed K -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Mark, Steve is forgetting that there were actually nukes in Cuba and we had the pictures to prove it. To compare this to the situation Iraq is simply not logical. Ignoring facts is a problem for some! Wally >From: "Mark Kaynor" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:04 -0400 > >Hey Steve, >Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe?:-) >Being unfaithful to his wife in the White House!!! I have never heard of >such an abuse of power:-) Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > >Hey Slim >Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to war over nukes in >Cuba:-) >Taking this country to war over something like weapon of mass >distruction!!! >I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) Steve > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) Steve > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone but there are a few > > Dems I like:-) > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > It is not what the > > > > government can do for you but what you can do > > for > > > your > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > Steve > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > > quote > > > by a famous Democrat > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > > this: > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for you, but what you > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 8 12:35:19 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 8 11:35:41 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious In-Reply-To: <000a01c56c3d$dfed8fa0$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <000001c56c3f$b0d118c0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Peter: 1. Bugs? 2. Harmonics 3. Wireless transmitting device in proximity 4. High power AM transmitting station nearby? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Web Cam: www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/webcam.html -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Thorn Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:22 AM To: Rhodes 22 List Members Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious Hello Rhodies, Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day Memorial Day cruise at Kerr Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer outside, getting ready for our Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. (6/29-7/7) This morning, after a pretty hard rain last night, the cockpit speakers started making a strange noise. First the port speaker made a popping noise. I first noticed the noise after the sunlight started to warm Raven's topsides. I boarded and verified that all circuits were switched off and disconnected the speaker wire lead at the speaker to still the popping noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, a bit little louder. So, I boarded and again, verified all circuit were switched off again and disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the speaker. Does anybody have a guess as to what could be happening? PT __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 09:39:44 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed Jun 8 11:39:46 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD In-Reply-To: <000001c56c3d$509e6590$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <20050608153944.28119.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not a problem, Ed. I gave up on Wally when no one could get him to even understand the necessity of having chain on his anchor:-) Your point below is well said. I have always found it funny how the lib media will publish these facts but turn around in the next sentence and say there were no WMDs:-) That just cracks me up!!! And the media wonder why no one watches them anymore:-) Steve --- ed kroposki wrote: > Wally, > WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, such > as gas, bio, et > al. The issue was preventing them getting nuc's, > not that they already had > them. The same issue now next door in Iran. > Furthermore, nuclear is not > limited to bomb explosives but also bomb results, > ie, dirty explosives that > contaminate. > There was a complaint issued by the U.N. inspectors > recently about > missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone missing > since the start of the > war. If there was not problem, why are the U.N. > inspectors complaining > about missing nuclear stuff now? > I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, but > your last comment > was not accurate. Humpf. > > Ed K > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Wally Buck > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > Mark, > > Steve is forgetting that there were actually nukes > in Cuba and we had the > pictures to prove it. To compare this to the > situation Iraq is simply not > logical. Ignoring facts is a problem for some! > > Wally > > >From: "Mark Kaynor" > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:04 -0400 > > > >Hey Steve, > >Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair with > Marilyn Monroe?:-) > >Being unfaithful to his wife in the White House!!! > I have never heard of > >such an abuse of power:-) Mark > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve > >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > >Hey Slim > >Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to > war over nukes in > >Cuba:-) > >Taking this country to war over something like > weapon of mass > >distruction!!! > >I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) > Steve > > > > > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) > Steve > > > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell > anyone but there are a few > > > Dems I like:-) > > > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > > > It is not what the > > > > > government can do for you but what you can > do > > > for > > > > your > > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > > > quote > > > > by a famous Democrat > > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > > > this: > > > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do > for you, but what you > > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Discover Yahoo! > > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online > and more. Check it out! > > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Discover Yahoo! > >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and > more. 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Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From robert at squirrelhaven.com Wed Jun 8 13:05:01 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Wed Jun 8 12:05:10 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day References: <20050607154940.9231.qmail@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A7172D.AEC56EE@squirrelhaven.com> Steve wrote: > Of course I am willing to give my life to get rid of > Sadam and all the rest of them... OK. We are waiting. /Bob From flybrad at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 10:07:58 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Wed Jun 8 12:08:01 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious In-Reply-To: <000001c56c3f$b0d118c0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter, You may want to disconnect your battery and see if the noise is still there. That is the last ditch effort on every electrical fire and smoke checklist for every airplane I've ever flown and one of the first troubleshooting issues as a mechanic. Current has a strange habit of finding its own path sometimes. If its still there with the battery disconnected, see list below. Brad --- ed kroposki wrote: > Peter: > 1. Bugs? > 2. Harmonics > 3. Wireless transmitting device in proximity > 4. High power AM transmitting station nearby? > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Web Cam: > www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/webcam.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Peter Thorn > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:22 AM > To: Rhodes 22 List Members > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > > Hello Rhodies, > > Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day > Memorial Day cruise at Kerr > Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer outside, > getting ready for our > Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. > (6/29-7/7) > > This morning, after a pretty hard rain last night, > the cockpit speakers > started making a strange noise. First the port > speaker made a popping > noise. I first noticed the noise after the sunlight > started to warm Raven's > topsides. I boarded and verified that all circuits > were switched off and > disconnected the speaker wire lead at the speaker to > still the popping > noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, a > bit little louder. So, I > boarded and again, verified all circuit were > switched off again and > disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the > speaker. > > Does anybody have a guess as to what could be > happening? > > PT > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 8 13:29:16 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 8 12:29:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bob F; Phyllis; et al In-Reply-To: <000501c56bc2$ab00c8f0$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Message-ID: <000001c56c47$39fa25e0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Both of you guys: After researching a particular topic, if you summarize it into a concise document, you can submit it to Tom Evans at the FAQ site. He still exists, but is very busy and does not monitor this list. LogicUnltd@aol.com Do not expect immediate response. Ed K Greenville SC USA From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 8 13:52:07 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious References: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c56c4a$67bf57e0$660fa8c0@dell330> Brad, Thanks for the input. Before disconnecting the battery, I first reconnected the speakers. Now no noise and the CD player doesn't work either. This will take more time than I have for lunch right now. Any and all suggestions are welcome. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad haslett" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > Peter, > > You may want to disconnect your battery and see if the > noise is still there. That is the last ditch effort > on every electrical fire and smoke checklist for every > airplane I've ever flown and one of the first > troubleshooting issues as a mechanic. Current has a > strange habit of finding its own path sometimes. If > its still there with the battery disconnected, see > list below. > > Brad > > --- ed kroposki wrote: > > > Peter: > > 1. Bugs? > > 2. Harmonics > > 3. Wireless transmitting device in proximity > > 4. High power AM transmitting station nearby? > > > > Ed K > > Greenville, SC, USA > > Web Cam: > > www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/webcam.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of Peter Thorn > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:22 AM > > To: Rhodes 22 List Members > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > > > > Hello Rhodies, > > > > Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day > > Memorial Day cruise at Kerr > > Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer outside, > > getting ready for our > > Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. > > (6/29-7/7) > > > > This morning, after a pretty hard rain last night, > > the cockpit speakers > > started making a strange noise. First the port > > speaker made a popping > > noise. I first noticed the noise after the sunlight > > started to warm Raven's > > topsides. I boarded and verified that all circuits > > were switched off and > > disconnected the speaker wire lead at the speaker to > > still the popping > > noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, a > > bit little louder. So, I > > boarded and again, verified all circuit were > > switched off again and > > disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the > > speaker. > > > > Does anybody have a guess as to what could be > > happening? > > > > PT > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 8 14:12:23 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kerr Lake Sunset Message-ID: <000901c56c4d$3cf332e0$660fa8c0@dell330> Rhodies~ Thought you might like this Kerr Lake sunset from Memorial Day, Sat night. PT You have been sent 1 picture. P5290025.jpg Total is 38K (8 seconds at 56k) These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://www.picasa.com/ -------------- next part -------------- Name: P5290025.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 53236 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P5290025.jpg From ellner at pressenter.com Wed Jun 8 13:14:40 2005 From: ellner at pressenter.com (Ellner) Date: Wed Jun 8 13:14:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kerr Lake Sunset In-Reply-To: <000901c56c4d$3cf332e0$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20050608121356.02f9ee48@pop.pressenter.com> Peter: WOW!!!! Thanks for sharing! Mary s/v Toy Blew (finally in the water in Wisconsin) At 01:12 PM 6/8/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Rhodies~ > >Thought you might like this Kerr Lake sunset from Memorial Day, Sat night. > >PT > >You have been sent 1 picture. > >P5290025.jpg > >Total is 38K (8 seconds at 56k) >These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. >Try it out here: http://www.picasa.com/Name: P5290025.jpg Type: image/jpeg >Size: 53236 bytes Desc: not available >Url: >http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P5290025.jpg >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From stan at rhodes22.com Wed Jun 8 14:56:21 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Wed Jun 8 13:56:38 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kerr Lake Sunset References: <000901c56c4d$3cf332e0$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <00f801c56c53$64a46d30$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt> the picture is stunning did you take it ? can't you forge a Rhodes off in the stb. corner? stan/gbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thorn" To: "Rhodes 22 List Members" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kerr Lake Sunset Rhodies~ Thought you might like this Kerr Lake sunset from Memorial Day, Sat night. PT You have been sent 1 picture. P5290025.jpg Total is 38K (8 seconds at 56k) These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://www.picasa.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Name: P5290025.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 53236 bytes Desc: not available > Url: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P5290025.jpg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From stan at rhodes22.com Wed Jun 8 14:58:30 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Wed Jun 8 13:58:45 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious References: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010801c56c53$b18cfea0$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt> you might check to see if somehow one of the solar panels is not hooked to the radio. stan ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad haslett" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > Peter, > > You may want to disconnect your battery and see if the > noise is still there. That is the last ditch effort > on every electrical fire and smoke checklist for every > airplane I've ever flown and one of the first > troubleshooting issues as a mechanic. Current has a > strange habit of finding its own path sometimes. If > its still there with the battery disconnected, see > list below. > > Brad > > --- ed kroposki wrote: > >> Peter: >> 1. Bugs? >> 2. Harmonics >> 3. Wireless transmitting device in proximity >> 4. High power AM transmitting station nearby? >> >> Ed K >> Greenville, SC, USA >> Web Cam: >> www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/webcam.html >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of Peter Thorn >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:22 AM >> To: Rhodes 22 List Members >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious >> >> Hello Rhodies, >> >> Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day >> Memorial Day cruise at Kerr >> Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer outside, >> getting ready for our >> Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. >> (6/29-7/7) >> >> This morning, after a pretty hard rain last night, >> the cockpit speakers >> started making a strange noise. First the port >> speaker made a popping >> noise. I first noticed the noise after the sunlight >> started to warm Raven's >> topsides. I boarded and verified that all circuits >> were switched off and >> disconnected the speaker wire lead at the speaker to >> still the popping >> noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, a >> bit little louder. So, I >> boarded and again, verified all circuit were >> switched off again and >> disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the >> speaker. >> >> Does anybody have a guess as to what could be >> happening? >> >> PT >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >> www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >> www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From flybrad at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 12:00:54 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Wed Jun 8 14:00:56 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious In-Reply-To: <003301c56c4a$67bf57e0$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <20050608180054.67623.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter, Phantom power feeds can be some of the most troublesome buggers to track down. That is why A&P mechanics disconnect all power sources to start with just to make sure they're not chasing a non-existent problem. The DC-10 solution for every electrical problem is "switch, breaker, book, book, book", meaning, first you turn it off, then on, then cycle the circuit breaker, then look it up in the minimum equipment list to see if you even need the damn thing, then the ops manual on how to fly without it, then write it up in the maintenance log. I've found the same operational philosophy to work quite well on sailboats. Good luck! Brad --- Peter Thorn wrote: > Brad, > > Thanks for the input. Before disconnecting the > battery, I first reconnected > the speakers. Now no noise and the CD player > doesn't work either. > > This will take more time than I have for lunch right > now. Any and all > suggestions are welcome. > > PT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brad haslett" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:07 PM > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > > > > Peter, > > > > You may want to disconnect your battery and see if > the > > noise is still there. That is the last ditch > effort > > on every electrical fire and smoke checklist for > every > > airplane I've ever flown and one of the first > > troubleshooting issues as a mechanic. Current has > a > > strange habit of finding its own path sometimes. > If > > its still there with the battery disconnected, see > > list below. > > > > Brad > > > > --- ed kroposki wrote: > > > > > Peter: > > > 1. Bugs? > > > 2. Harmonics > > > 3. Wireless transmitting device in proximity > > > 4. High power AM transmitting station nearby? > > > > > > Ed K > > > Greenville, SC, USA > > > Web Cam: > > > www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/webcam.html > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf Of Peter Thorn > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:22 AM > > > To: Rhodes 22 List Members > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > > > > > > Hello Rhodies, > > > > > > Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day > > > Memorial Day cruise at Kerr > > > Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer > outside, > > > getting ready for our > > > Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. > > > (6/29-7/7) > > > > > > This morning, after a pretty hard rain last > night, > > > the cockpit speakers > > > started making a strange noise. First the port > > > speaker made a popping > > > noise. I first noticed the noise after the > sunlight > > > started to warm Raven's > > > topsides. I boarded and verified that all > circuits > > > were switched off and > > > disconnected the speaker wire lead at the > speaker to > > > still the popping > > > noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, > a > > > bit little louder. So, I > > > boarded and again, verified all circuit were > > > switched off again and > > > disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the > > > speaker. > > > > > > Does anybody have a guess as to what could be > > > happening? > > > > > > PT > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From R22RumRunner at aol.com Wed Jun 8 15:51:22 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 8 14:51:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD Message-ID: <141.46f7794d.2fd8982a@aol.com> Ed, Imagine that, stuff missing since the beginning of the war. It seems to me that in a war plan, one would takes steps to secure stuff like this. Sounds like another case of W totally botching the job. Rummy From sanderico at earthlink.net Wed Jun 8 14:54:50 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Wed Jun 8 14:54:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <42A7172D.AEC56EE@squirrelhaven.com> References: <20050607154940.9231.qmail@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42A7172D.AEC56EE@squirrelhaven.com> Message-ID: <42A73EFA.9090201@earthlink.net> Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. But, I'm with Steve here. If my country called me tomorrow and asked that I help rid the world of Saddam Hussein or this Muslim radical scourge. I'd be there in a heartbeat. I feel that these people are that big a threat to the rest of us. We tried to talk for better than ten years (since Desert Storm) and only wasted our breath. It was time we got down to their level and got on with it. I'm 52 though, so I don't think they're too interested in my help. As far as "willingly" giving my life for my country, or anything else for that matter. Nope, I wouldn't "willingly" die for any cause. There's going to be a pretty good fight first. One of our more famous generals from World War II said it well. Paraphrasing here; It's not a soldier's duty to die for his country. It's his duty to get the dumb sumbitch on the other side to die for HIS country. Being sent to Iraq is not a death sentence. Rik Robert Skinner wrote: >Steve wrote: > > >>Of course I am willing to give my life to get rid of >>Sadam and all the rest of them... >> >> > >OK. We are waiting. >/Bob >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From sanderico at earthlink.net Wed Jun 8 14:59:38 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Wed Jun 8 14:59:45 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD In-Reply-To: <141.46f7794d.2fd8982a@aol.com> References: <141.46f7794d.2fd8982a@aol.com> Message-ID: <42A7401A.1060407@earthlink.net> Rummy, And this is W's fault how??? Does he have to go hold the hands of all our military people?? Doesn't seem to me that, that is the President's job. Rik R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: >Ed, >Imagine that, stuff missing since the beginning of the war. It seems to me >that in a war plan, one would takes steps to secure stuff like this. Sounds >like another case of W totally botching the job. > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From stan at rhodes22.com Wed Jun 8 16:12:43 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Wed Jun 8 15:12:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD References: <141.46f7794d.2fd8982a@aol.com> Message-ID: <015001c56c5e$0fcd3700$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt> Yeh Rummy, I think we should draft our former commander-in-chief back. Only one downed pilot and we got him back safe and sound. It is like tomatoes; our new young leader and his cheering squad have not had the opportunity to know what a real one tastes like. stan/gbi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD > Ed, > Imagine that, stuff missing since the beginning of the war. It seems to me > that in a war plan, one would takes steps to secure stuff like this. > Sounds > like another case of W totally botching the job. > > Rummy > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 8 16:55:09 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 15:53:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious References: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <010801c56c53$b18cfea0$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <005a01c56c63$f9662430$660fa8c0@dell330> Sorry Stan, no cigar. Raven just has big 'ole group 31 and no solar. Good thinking though. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "stan" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > you might check to see if somehow one of the solar panels is not hooked to > the radio. > > stan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brad haslett" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:07 PM > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > > > > Peter, > > > > You may want to disconnect your battery and see if the > > noise is still there. That is the last ditch effort > > on every electrical fire and smoke checklist for every > > airplane I've ever flown and one of the first > > troubleshooting issues as a mechanic. Current has a > > strange habit of finding its own path sometimes. If > > its still there with the battery disconnected, see > > list below. > > > > Brad > > > > --- ed kroposki wrote: > > > >> Peter: > >> 1. Bugs? > >> 2. Harmonics > >> 3. Wireless transmitting device in proximity > >> 4. High power AM transmitting station nearby? > >> > >> Ed K > >> Greenville, SC, USA > >> Web Cam: > >> www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/webcam.html > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > >> Behalf Of Peter Thorn > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:22 AM > >> To: Rhodes 22 List Members > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > >> > >> Hello Rhodies, > >> > >> Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day > >> Memorial Day cruise at Kerr > >> Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer outside, > >> getting ready for our > >> Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. > >> (6/29-7/7) > >> > >> This morning, after a pretty hard rain last night, > >> the cockpit speakers > >> started making a strange noise. First the port > >> speaker made a popping > >> noise. I first noticed the noise after the sunlight > >> started to warm Raven's > >> topsides. I boarded and verified that all circuits > >> were switched off and > >> disconnected the speaker wire lead at the speaker to > >> still the popping > >> noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, a > >> bit little louder. So, I > >> boarded and again, verified all circuit were > >> switched off again and > >> disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the > >> speaker. > >> > >> Does anybody have a guess as to what could be > >> happening? > >> > >> PT > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > >> www.rhodes22.org/list > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > >> www.rhodes22.org/list > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From cjlowe at bright.net Wed Jun 8 17:31:23 2005 From: cjlowe at bright.net (cjlowe) Date: Wed Jun 8 16:32:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions References: Message-ID: <00c001c56c69$156f2aa0$6e9adb42@0017792884> David, Can't help with the furler, but Coleman makes a stove with a grill on the left side and a burner on the right side. It's fueled by propane,and boils water very quickly.We have had one ,going on our second season,and are very happy with it.The bottom of the grill can be covered with aluminum foil,making clean-up a ten second job.We've only cooked hot dogs, hamburgers,and cubed steaks, on the grill,but they've turned out well.They make a griddle to use on the grill side, we bought it but haven't tried it yet.Just another option. Jerry From joscook at msn.com Wed Jun 8 17:35:01 2005 From: joscook at msn.com (J Cook) Date: Wed Jun 8 16:35:12 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer References: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com><010801c56c53$b18cfea0$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt> <005a01c56c63$f9662430$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of impression on both sides.) Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to the hull. The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the Trailmaster trailer. Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be options. Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at adjusting the trailer. Thanks Joseph Cook From salm at mn.rr.com Wed Jun 8 17:14:27 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Wed Jun 8 17:14:32 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joseph, Yes, "oil canning" is the right term, and sometimes I see that on mine. I don't know why it's only sometimes. But maybe it could be fixed by replacing the bunks if they're overly bowed. With new (flat) bunks, the middle would support more weight with less at the ends. I dunno--just a thought. Slim On 6/8/05 3:35 PM, "J Cook" wrote: > We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. > > I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when the > boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the forward > ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of impression on > both sides.) > > Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket forward > about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the bunks were > significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. > > We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down > again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was well > rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to the > hull. > > The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft > end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only > to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the > Trailmaster trailer. > > Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening > the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be > options. > > Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at > adjusting the trailer. > > Thanks > > Joseph Cook > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 8 20:24:20 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 19:23:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer References: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <010801c56c53$b18cfea0$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt> <005a01c56c63$f9662430$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <002d01c56c81$32bb64d0$660fa8c0@dell330> Joseph, I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad with 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has a very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across the bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might tend to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each corner. Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did the bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" on the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch for the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace the trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't have to do it again for a very long time. Good luck. PT Raven Chapel Hill, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of impression on both sides.) Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to the hull. The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the Trailmaster trailer. Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be options. Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at adjusting the trailer. Thanks Joseph Cook __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -------------- next part -------------- Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg From salm at mn.rr.com Wed Jun 8 19:45:01 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Wed Jun 8 19:45:04 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer Message-ID: Peter, I need to replace my bunks soon so I read your post with great interest. A couple questions: Those look like 2 X 6s - would 2 X 8s be better? And what are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides and where did you get them? You can winch the boat forward with boat and trailer out of the water? Really? It doesn't take off the bottom paint? Slim On 6/8/05 6:24 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: > Joseph, > > I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad with > 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no > knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has a > very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it > deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across the > bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might tend > to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each corner. > Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. > > The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did the > bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" on > the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to > precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's > website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch for > the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! > > It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace the > trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't > have to do it again for a very long time. > > Good luck. > > PT > Raven > Chapel Hill, NC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. > > I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when > the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the > forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of > impression on both sides.) > > Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket > forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the > bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. > > We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down > again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was > well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to > the hull. > > The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft > end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only > to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the > Trailmaster trailer. > > Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening > the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be > options. > > Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at > adjusting the trailer. > > Thanks > > Joseph Cook > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not available > Url: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 8 21:27:46 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 8 20:29:18 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c56c8a$37c018f0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Peter, Where does one get this #1 Yellow Pine? Kiln dried treated yellow pine? This is not Home Depot stuff. Where from? You gottum you own sawmill? How far are you guides off the bunks? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA This one is for Wally: http://cookerealty.com/webcam.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:45 PM To: Rhodes Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer Peter, I need to replace my bunks soon so I read your post with great interest. A couple questions: Those look like 2 X 6s - would 2 X 8s be better? And what are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides and where did you get them? You can winch the boat forward with boat and trailer out of the water? Really? It doesn't take off the bottom paint? Slim On 6/8/05 6:24 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: > Joseph, > > I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad with > 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no > knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has a > very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it > deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across the > bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might tend > to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each corner. > Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. > > The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did the > bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" on > the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to > precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's > website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch for > the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! > > It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace the > trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't > have to do it again for a very long time. > > Good luck. > > PT > Raven > Chapel Hill, NC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. > > I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when > the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the > forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of > impression on both sides.) > > Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket > forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the > bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. > > We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down > again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was > well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to > the hull. > > The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft > end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only > to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the > Trailmaster trailer. > > Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening > the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be > options. > > Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at > adjusting the trailer. > > Thanks > > Joseph Cook > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not available > Url: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 8 21:37:10 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Wed Jun 8 20:37:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer References: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com><010801c56c53$b18cfea0$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt><005a01c56c63$f9662430$660fa8c0@dell330> <002d01c56c81$32bb64d0$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <003501c56c8b$5f499940$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Very nice work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thorn" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > Joseph, > > I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad with > 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no > knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has a > very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it > deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across the > bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might > tend > to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each corner. > Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. > > The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did the > bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" on > the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to > precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's > website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch for > the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! > > It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace > the > trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't > have to do it again for a very long time. > > Good luck. > > PT > Raven > Chapel Hill, NC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. > > I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when > the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the > forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of > impression on both sides.) > > Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket > forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the > bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. > > We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down > again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was > well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to > the hull. > > The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the > aft > end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve > only > to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the > Trailmaster trailer. > > Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried > lengthening > the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be > options. > > Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot > at > adjusting the trailer. > > Thanks > > Joseph Cook > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not available > Url: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Wed Jun 8 22:11:46 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 8 21:11:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] #1 yellow pine Message-ID: <1dd.3ee971d7.2fd8f152@aol.com> Ed, Ask for it at Lowe's. They have it. (You will pay more for it) Another option which I chose, was to use treated lumber, also pine. The treated lumber is usually still very green (still wet from the treatment) and it dries to a nice supportive curvature with the boat on the trailer. Rummy From robert at squirrelhaven.com Wed Jun 8 22:21:08 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Wed Jun 8 21:21:20 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day References: <20050607154940.9231.qmail@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42A7172D.AEC56EE@squirrelhaven.com> <42A73EFA.9090201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42A79984.4462D2E1@squirrelhaven.com> Rik Sandberg wrote: > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. I couldn't resist such an invitation... Consider it a way of suggesting silence. Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get out of the way." As you correctly point out, there is too much empty talk about dying for our country from those with no flesh on the front lines. Apologies to those who may be offended by such a direct response. All honor to those who are in harm's way. /Robert Skinner From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 8 23:20:47 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 22:19:20 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer References: Message-ID: <003001c56c99$d9374000$660fa8c0@dell330> Slim, Overton's has them. http://www.overtons.com/modperl/overtons/detail/pdetail2.cgi?r=detail_view&item_num=27606 I used 2x6 kiln dried #1 PTSYP (pressure treated southern yellow pine), available at the local lumber yard here - their best grade. H/D and Lowes don't usually carry such high quality. I picked quarter sawn boards from the pile for extra strength and stability. It's hard to improve on Stan's design, but it's fairly easy to use better materials for the bunks than Michael Orro has been using lately on the Triads. I think the low gear of that two-speed winch would pull stumps. When the boat and trailer is still wet it is easiest. Mark placed a mark on Raven's waterline stripe to match up with a mark on the Trailmaster trailer for ideal tongue weight. I installed a similar mark on the Triad and checked the tongue weight with a tongue weight scale. So, it's just a matter of winching the boat forward in the parking lot to match up the two marks. Thanks Mark -- good idea! Raven has a hard vinyl paint, which doesn't come off easily. A small amount remains on the bunks after launching. I hope this helps. Good luck! PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slim" To: "Rhodes" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > Peter, > > I need to replace my bunks soon so I read your post with great interest. A > couple questions: Those look like 2 X 6s - would 2 X 8s be better? And > what are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides and where did you get them? You > can winch the boat forward with boat and trailer out of the water? Really? > It doesn't take off the bottom paint? > > Slim > > On 6/8/05 6:24 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: > > > Joseph, > > > > I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad with > > 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no > > knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has a > > very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it > > deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across the > > bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might tend > > to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each corner. > > Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. > > > > The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did the > > bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" on > > the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to > > precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's > > website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch for > > the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! > > > > It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace the > > trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't > > have to do it again for a very long time. > > > > Good luck. > > > > PT > > Raven > > Chapel Hill, NC > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Cook" > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > > > > We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. > > > > I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when > > the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the > > forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of > > impression on both sides.) > > > > Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket > > forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the > > bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. > > > > We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down > > again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was > > well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to > > the hull. > > > > The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft > > end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only > > to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the > > Trailmaster trailer. > > > > Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening > > the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be > > options. > > > > Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at > > adjusting the trailer. > > > > Thanks > > > > Joseph Cook > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not available > > Url: > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Wed Jun 8 23:32:07 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Wed Jun 8 22:40:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer In-Reply-To: <003001c56c99$d9374000$660fa8c0@dell330> References: <003001c56c99$d9374000$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <42A7AA27.4080207@michaelmeltzer.com> heads up, part of what keeps the boat on the trailer IS the friction of the bunks. rhodes22 owner are NOT in the habit of strapping their boats down. The trailer do not nominally come with loop for straps. And I have broken 2 winches(the brakes) over the years. SO if you are going to do this make sure to add straps and padding for hull and deck, the time to set it up, and loosen the winch strap and replace it with tie downs. MJM Peter Thorn wrote: >Slim, > >Overton's has them. >http://www.overtons.com/modperl/overtons/detail/pdetail2.cgi?r=detail_view&item_num=27606 > >I used 2x6 kiln dried #1 PTSYP (pressure treated southern yellow pine), >available at the local lumber yard here - their best grade. H/D and Lowes >don't usually carry such high quality. I picked quarter sawn boards from >the pile for extra strength and stability. It's hard to improve on Stan's >design, but it's fairly easy to use better materials for the bunks than >Michael Orro has been using lately on the Triads. > >I think the low gear of that two-speed winch would pull stumps. When the >boat and trailer is still wet it is easiest. Mark placed a mark on Raven's >waterline stripe to match up with a mark on the Trailmaster trailer for >ideal tongue weight. I installed a similar mark on the Triad and checked >the tongue weight with a tongue weight scale. So, it's just a matter of >winching the boat forward in the parking lot to match up the two marks. >Thanks Mark -- good idea! > >Raven has a hard vinyl paint, which doesn't come off easily. A small amount >remains on the bunks after launching. > >I hope this helps. Good luck! > >PT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Slim" >To: "Rhodes" >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:45 PM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > > >>Peter, >> >>I need to replace my bunks soon so I read your post with great interest. >> >> >A > > >>couple questions: Those look like 2 X 6s - would 2 X 8s be better? And >>what are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides and where did you get them? You >>can winch the boat forward with boat and trailer out of the water? >> >> >Really? > > >>It doesn't take off the bottom paint? >> >>Slim >> >>On 6/8/05 6:24 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: >> >> >> >>>Joseph, >>> >>>I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad >>> >>> >with > > >>>12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no >>>knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has >>> >>> >a > > >>>very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it >>>deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across >>> >>> >the > > >>>bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might >>> >>> >tend > > >>>to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each >>> >>> >corner. > > >>>Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. >>> >>>The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did >>> >>> >the > > >>>bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" >>> >>> >on > > >>>the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to >>>precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's >>>website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch >>> >>> >for > > >>>the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! >>> >>>It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace >>> >>> >the > > >>>trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't >>>have to do it again for a very long time. >>> >>>Good luck. >>> >>>PT >>>Raven >>>Chapel Hill, NC >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "J Cook" >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM >>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer >>> >>> >>>We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. >>> >>>I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning >>> >>> >when > > >>>the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where >>> >>> >the > > >>>forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of >>>impression on both sides.) >>> >>>Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket >>>forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and >>> >>> >the > > >>>bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. >>> >>>We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed >>> >>> >down > > >>>again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was >>>well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound >>> >>> >to > > >>>the hull. >>> >>>The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the >>> >>> >aft > > >>>end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve >>> >>> >only > > >>>to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the >>>Trailmaster trailer. >>> >>>Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried >>> >>> >lengthening > > >>>the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight >>> >>> >be > > >>>options. >>> >>>Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot >>> >>> >at > > >>>adjusting the trailer. >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>Joseph Cook >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>>Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not >>> >>> >available > > >>>Url: >>> >>> >>> >http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg > > >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > From pthorn at nc.rr.com Thu Jun 9 00:02:33 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 23:01:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer References: <003001c56c99$d9374000$660fa8c0@dell330> <42A7AA27.4080207@michaelmeltzer.com> Message-ID: <000c01c56c9f$af181c80$660fa8c0@dell330> MJM, That's a good point and I agree with all of it except for the part about trailers not equipped with strap hooks. My 2003 Triad has two forward and two aft tie-down hooks welded to the frame made of 1/2" rod. Each one looks capable of securing the entire boat. I use two "X"ed cross straps to the stern eyes (like Roger) in the rear and a single long strap across the front. The front strap breaks just in front of the cabin house, right on the aft foredeck. Also, 1/4" chain from the winch tower to the bow eye. It's a big PITA to rig all that strapping, but worth it in peace of mind while driving. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: michael meltzer To: Peter Thorn ; The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer heads up, part of what keeps the boat on the trailer IS the friction of the bunks. rhodes22 owner are NOT in the habit of strapping their boats down. The trailer do not nominally come with loop for straps. And I have broken 2 winches(the brakes) over the years. SO if you are going to do this make sure to add straps and padding for hull and deck, the time to set it up, and loosen the winch strap and replace it with tie downs. MJM Peter Thorn wrote: Slim, Overton's has them. http://www.overtons.com/modperl/overtons/detail/pdetail2.cgi?r=detail_view&item_num=27606 I used 2x6 kiln dried #1 PTSYP (pressure treated southern yellow pine), available at the local lumber yard here - their best grade. H/D and Lowes don't usually carry such high quality. I picked quarter sawn boards from the pile for extra strength and stability. It's hard to improve on Stan's design, but it's fairly easy to use better materials for the bunks than Michael Orro has been using lately on the Triads. I think the low gear of that two-speed winch would pull stumps. When the boat and trailer is still wet it is easiest. Mark placed a mark on Raven's waterline stripe to match up with a mark on the Trailmaster trailer for ideal tongue weight. I installed a similar mark on the Triad and checked the tongue weight with a tongue weight scale. So, it's just a matter of winching the boat forward in the parking lot to match up the two marks. Thanks Mark -- good idea! Raven has a hard vinyl paint, which doesn't come off easily. A small amount remains on the bunks after launching. I hope this helps. Good luck! PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slim" To: "Rhodes" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer Peter, I need to replace my bunks soon so I read your post with great interest. A couple questions: Those look like 2 X 6s - would 2 X 8s be better? And what are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides and where did you get them? You can winch the boat forward with boat and trailer out of the water? Really? It doesn't take off the bottom paint? Slim On 6/8/05 6:24 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: Joseph, I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad with 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has a very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across the bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might tend to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each corner. Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did the bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" on the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch for the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace the trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't have to do it again for a very long time. Good luck. PT Raven Chapel Hill, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of impression on both sides.) Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to the hull. The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the Trailmaster trailer. Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be options. Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at adjusting the trailer. Thanks Joseph Cook __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From sprocket80 at mail.com Thu Jun 9 00:42:51 2005 From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Thu Jun 9 00:42:56 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer Message-ID: <20050609044251.147E66EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Peter and Joseph, I borrowed a fellow Rhodie's trailer to bring my old 1974 hull to the dump. I used a clevis to attach a strap to the top gudgeon which I had the bulldozer operator hook onto his bucket to pull the boat off of the trailer. The boat came off fine, but the end of one of the bunks cracked. I replaced both bunks with the very best PT 2" x 6" x 12' boards that I could find at Home Depot. The bunk brackets are slotted where the 1/2" carriage bolts attach. Over time, these bolts rusted and got loose allowing the bunks to bow excessively. If Joseph replaces the bunks and bolts, it may well solve his problems. The bunks on this (older designed) Triad trailer were 136 1/2" long and the holes were drilled almost center of the slot. I tightened the bolts with no weight on the bunks. I will have to ask the lender if he has any oil canning. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thorn" To: "Rhodes 22 List Members" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:02:33 -0400 > > MJM, > > That's a good point and I agree with all of it except for the part > about trailers not equipped with strap hooks. My 2003 Triad has > two forward and two aft tie-down hooks welded to the frame made of > 1/2" rod. Each one looks capable of securing the entire boat. > > I use two "X"ed cross straps to the stern eyes (like Roger) in the > rear and a single long strap across the front. The front strap > breaks just in front of the cabin house, right on the aft foredeck. > > Also, 1/4" chain from the winch tower to the bow eye. It's a big > PITA to rig all that strapping, but worth it in peace of mind while > driving. > > PT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael meltzer > To: Peter Thorn ; The Rhodes 22 mail list > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > heads up, part of what keeps the boat on the trailer IS the > friction of the bunks. rhodes22 owner are NOT in the habit of > strapping their boats down. The trailer do not nominally come with > loop for straps. And I have broken 2 winches(the brakes) over the > years. SO if you are going to do this make sure to add straps and > padding for hull and deck, the time to set it up, and loosen the > winch strap and replace it with tie downs. > > MJM > > > > Peter Thorn wrote: > > Slim, > > Overton's has them. > http://www.overtons.com/modperl/overtons/detail/pdetail2.cgi?r=detail_view&item_num=27606 > > I used 2x6 kiln dried #1 PTSYP (pressure treated southern yellow pine), > available at the local lumber yard here - their best grade. H/D and Lowes > don't usually carry such high quality. I picked quarter sawn boards from > the pile for extra strength and stability. It's hard to improve on Stan's > design, but it's fairly easy to use better materials for the bunks than > Michael Orro has been using lately on the Triads. > > I think the low gear of that two-speed winch would pull stumps. When the > boat and trailer is still wet it is easiest. Mark placed a mark on Raven's > waterline stripe to match up with a mark on the Trailmaster trailer for > ideal tongue weight. I installed a similar mark on the Triad and checked > the tongue weight with a tongue weight scale. So, it's just a matter of > winching the boat forward in the parking lot to match up the two marks. > Thanks Mark -- good idea! > > Raven has a hard vinyl paint, which doesn't come off easily. A small amount > remains on the bunks after launching. > > I hope this helps. Good luck! > > PT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Slim" > To: "Rhodes" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > Peter, > > I need to replace my bunks soon so I read your post with great interest. > A > couple questions: Those look like 2 X 6s - would 2 X 8s be better? And > what are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides and where did you get them? You > can winch the boat forward with boat and trailer out of the water? > Really? > It doesn't take off the bottom paint? > > Slim > > On 6/8/05 6:24 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: > > Joseph, > > I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad > with > 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no > knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has > a > very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it > deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across > the > bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might > tend > to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each > corner. > Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. > > The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did > the > bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" > on > the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to > precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's > website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch > for > the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! > > It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace > the > trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't > have to do it again for a very long time. > > Good luck. > > PT > Raven > Chapel Hill, NC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. > > I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning > when > the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where > the > forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of > impression on both sides.) > > Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket > forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and > the > bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. > > We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed > down > again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was > well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound > to > the hull. > > The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the > aft > end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve > only > to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the > Trailmaster trailer. > > Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried > lengthening > the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight > be > options. > > Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot > at > adjusting the trailer. > > Thanks > > Joseph Cook > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not > available > Url: > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 09:16:19 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Thu Jun 9 08:16:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD In-Reply-To: <000001c56c3d$509e6590$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Ed, Thanks for changing the sugject line but my post was not about "WMDs". Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is not Iraq". The funny thing is I have never questioned that Iraq had "WMDs". I have questioned what level of threat Iraq was to our National Security and our motives for attacking when we did. This is very hard for many to understand. You are correct that the nukes were not in Cuba. I apologize for the error. The USSR was building the missle pads and facilities to store and launch Russian nukes in Cuba. The Soviets also had bombers based in Cuba. There was a real threat to our National Security. Also note that this was settled with out a war. This was my point. Not much to compare with Iraq. I do understand that WMDs involve gas, biological, and other means. I am quite sure that stuff is missing as you say. This problem is not limited to Iraq. Again this was not the point of my post. The situation in Cuba then and Iraq now is quite different. To say differently is to ignore history. Wally >From: "ed kroposki" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:18:21 -0400 > >Wally, > WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, such as gas, bio, et >al. The issue was preventing them getting nuc's, not that they already had >them. The same issue now next door in Iran. Furthermore, nuclear is not >limited to bomb explosives but also bomb results, ie, dirty explosives that >contaminate. > There was a complaint issued by the U.N. inspectors recently about >missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone missing since the start of the >war. If there was not problem, why are the U.N. inspectors complaining >about missing nuclear stuff now? > I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, but your last comment >was not accurate. Humpf. > >Ed K > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > >Mark, > >Steve is forgetting that there were actually nukes in Cuba and we had the >pictures to prove it. To compare this to the situation Iraq is simply not >logical. Ignoring facts is a problem for some! > >Wally > > >From: "Mark Kaynor" > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:04 -0400 > > > >Hey Steve, > >Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe?:-) > >Being unfaithful to his wife in the White House!!! I have never heard of > >such an abuse of power:-) Mark > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve > >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > >Hey Slim > >Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to war over nukes in > >Cuba:-) > >Taking this country to war over something like weapon of mass > >distruction!!! > >I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) Steve > > > > > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) Steve > > > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone but there are a few > > > Dems I like:-) > > > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > > > It is not what the > > > > > government can do for you but what you can do > > > for > > > > your > > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > > > quote > > > > by a famous Democrat > > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > > > this: > > > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for you, but what you > > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Discover Yahoo! > > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Discover Yahoo! > >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! > >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 09:20:22 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Thu Jun 9 08:20:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <001201c56c2a$cf064cd0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: Bob, I learned this the first time I used my spinnaker. :-) I had flown spinnakers before but I had never had a boat with a furler. It has only happened that one time. Wally >From: "Robert Quinn" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:05:56 -0400 > >Wally / David: Proof that the more brains on a topic the better we do. I >had that exact problem on my boat last spring. The extra halyard wrapped >itself on the furling swivel and kept it from unfurling. > >Bob on the "NoKaOi" >----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:57 AM >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions > > >>Ahoy Davd. >> >>Regarding furler problem. You mention you have UPP; was this a typo for >>UPS? If so I am guessing you have a second halyard for UPS (sail). Look up >>when you try to furl and see if the UPS halyard is wrapping around head >>sail. Just a thought ..... >> >>Wally >> >>>From: "David Dallas" >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>To: >>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions >>>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:51:59 -0600 >>> >>>Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site >>>for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan's >>>help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a >>>demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of >>>it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, >>>marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great >>>shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and >>>figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but >>>this is my first experience with a 'bigger' boat. I live in Calgary, >>>Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I >>>will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) >>>and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on >>>vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had >>>our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and >>>questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I >>>love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going >>>through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great >>>help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and >>>adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list >>>who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. >>>I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or >>>two as I gain experience. >>> >>> >>> >>>Two questions right of the top are: >>> >>> >>> >>>1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out >>>more than approx 2/3 to ¾ of the Genoa. There was resistance and the >>>furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan's >>>instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn't >>>notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious >>>to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or >>>suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>>2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere >>>(can't remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know >>>about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your >>>recommendations? >>> >>> >>> >>>Thank-you for your time. >>> >>> >>> >>>David Dallas >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 07:35:42 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu Jun 9 09:35:47 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <42A79984.4462D2E1@squirrelhaven.com> Message-ID: <20050609133542.81103.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on this list; your unwillingness to even try and understand how the world work only show your lack of brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. Liberal central for you liberals & what is this country doing; we are going after them. It is always better to fight a war on some other Country soil as compared to fighting it on this country soil. You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you protested that war. This country had the capitality to free those people & because of people like you; a lot of vietamise people continue to have to live without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT JUST YOU. As for liberals like you who think the one thing that government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not a productive citizen, they are not helping this country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be proud of. Anybody that support allowing people to remain on Welfare without a direct course of action to get off Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass and go to work and earn your own living. I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - free of charge. I know that you probably expect a Welfare check to come with this information but at least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say below; I could not resist the invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try and help my fellow man!!! Steve --- Robert Skinner wrote: > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > out of the way." > > As you correctly point out, there is too > much empty talk about dying for our country > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > such a direct response. > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > /Robert Skinner > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dedallas at telus.net Thu Jun 9 10:03:35 2005 From: dedallas at telus.net (David Dallas) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:01:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <000201c56bae$8794e1d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <001901c56d04$6918d8e0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Ed: UPP is Stan's acronym for 'Ultimate Power Package'. It is the Yamaha 9.9 high thrust motor with the powered motor lift, extra battery and solar panel, remote motor controls, etc., etc.. David -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ed kroposki Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:16 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions David: It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, --- what is a UPP that are you that you have, the porta potti? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 9 12:15:39 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:15:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe In-Reply-To: <20050609133542.81103.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c56d06$18b1e430$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Steve, Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and unnecessary. I appreciate that you think you are a long timer with special status, but you are abusing the list. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Robert Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on this list; your unwillingness to even try and understand how the world work only show your lack of brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. Liberal central for you liberals & what is this country doing; we are going after them. It is always better to fight a war on some other Country soil as compared to fighting it on this country soil. You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you protested that war. This country had the capitality to free those people & because of people like you; a lot of vietamise people continue to have to live without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT JUST YOU. As for liberals like you who think the one thing that government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not a productive citizen, they are not helping this country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be proud of. Anybody that support allowing people to remain on Welfare without a direct course of action to get off Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass and go to work and earn your own living. I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - free of charge. I know that you probably expect a Welfare check to come with this information but at least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say below; I could not resist the invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try and help my fellow man!!! Steve --- Robert Skinner wrote: > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > out of the way." > > As you correctly point out, there is too > much empty talk about dying for our country > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > such a direct response. > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > /Robert Skinner > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From dedallas at telus.net Thu Jun 9 10:20:25 2005 From: dedallas at telus.net (David Dallas) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:18:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c56d06$c292f750$1401a8c0@aardvark> Thanks to all for all your suggestions. My wife and I are going sailing today (day off). I will try some of your suggestions for the furler. AS far as the stove goes, I think I'm going to either replace it or look at one of the colemans, they seem to be popular. Thanks again, David Dallas -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:20 AM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Bob, I learned this the first time I used my spinnaker. :-) I had flown spinnakers before but I had never had a boat with a furler. It has only happened that one time. Wally >From: "Robert Quinn" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:05:56 -0400 > >Wally / David: Proof that the more brains on a topic the better we do. I >had that exact problem on my boat last spring. The extra halyard wrapped >itself on the furling swivel and kept it from unfurling. > >Bob on the "NoKaOi" >----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:57 AM >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions > > >>Ahoy Davd. >> >>Regarding furler problem. You mention you have UPP; was this a typo for >>UPS? If so I am guessing you have a second halyard for UPS (sail). Look up >>when you try to furl and see if the UPS halyard is wrapping around head >>sail. Just a thought ..... >> >>Wally >> >>>From: "David Dallas" >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>To: >>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions >>>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:51:59 -0600 >>> >>>Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site >>>for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan's >>>help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a >>>demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of >>>it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, >>>marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great >>>shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and >>>figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but >>>this is my first experience with a 'bigger' boat. I live in Calgary, >>>Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I >>>will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) >>>and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on >>>vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had >>>our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and >>>questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I >>>love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going >>>through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great >>>help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and >>>adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list >>>who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. >>>I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or >>>two as I gain experience. >>> >>> >>> >>>Two questions right of the top are: >>> >>> >>> >>>1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out >>>more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the >>>furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan's >>>instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn't >>>notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious >>>to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or >>>suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>>2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere >>>(can't remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know >>>about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your >>>recommendations? >>> >>> >>> >>>Thank-you for your time. >>> >>> >>> >>>David Dallas >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From Marc.Steiger at dlptech.com Thu Jun 9 12:18:14 2005 From: Marc.Steiger at dlptech.com (Marc Steiger) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:19:29 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Message-ID: Steve- I think you are out of line. As has been said before, there is a difference between personally attacking someone, and political debate. To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone stupid too their face justifies a black eye in return. As a conservative, you embarrass me. Marc -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Robert Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on this list; your unwillingness to even try and understand how the world work only show your lack of brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. Liberal central for you liberals & what is this country doing; we are going after them. It is always better to fight a war on some other Country soil as compared to fighting it on this country soil. You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you protested that war. This country had the capitality to free those people & because of people like you; a lot of vietamise people continue to have to live without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT JUST YOU. As for liberals like you who think the one thing that government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not a productive citizen, they are not helping this country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be proud of. Anybody that support allowing people to remain on Welfare without a direct course of action to get off Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass and go to work and earn your own living. I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - free of charge. I know that you probably expect a Welfare check to come with this information but at least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say below; I could not resist the invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try and help my fellow man!!! Steve --- Robert Skinner wrote: > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > out of the way." > > As you correctly point out, there is too > much empty talk about dying for our country > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > such a direct response. > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > /Robert Skinner > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 09:32:40 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:32:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe In-Reply-To: <000001c56d06$18b1e430$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <20050609153240.25331.qmail@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ed I never consider myself in special status. But I do call it like it is!!!!!!!!! If people don't want to know the facts; they don't have to bring up this liberal nonsense. I am never the one that starts this stuff. Steve --- ed kroposki wrote: > Steve, > Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and > unnecessary. I > appreciate that you think you are a long timer with > special status, but you > are abusing the list. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy > Comment on D-Day > > Robert > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work only show your lack of > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to > go > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > country doing; we are going after them. It is > always > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing > to > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it > you > protested that war. This country had the capitality > to free those people & because of people like you; a > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > JUST YOU. > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are > not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of. > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy > ass > and go to work and earn your own living. > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you > - > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > Welfare check to come with this information but at > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > below; I could not resist the > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > and help my fellow man!!! > Steve > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > out of the way." > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > such a direct response. > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > /Robert Skinner > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 09:33:57 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:34:01 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050609153357.25538.qmail@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Liberal don't fight Marc:-) Steve --- Marc Steiger wrote: > Steve- > > I think you are out of line. As has been said > before, there > is a difference between personally attacking > someone, and political > debate. > To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone > stupid too their face > justifies a black eye in return. > > As a conservative, you embarrass me. > > Marc > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy > Comment on D-Day > > Robert > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work only show your lack of > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to > go > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > country doing; we are going after them. It is > always > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing > to > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it > you > protested that war. This country had the capitality > to free those people & because of people like you; a > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > JUST YOU. > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are > not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of. > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy > ass > and go to work and earn your own living. > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you > - > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > Welfare check to come with this information but at > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > below; I could not resist the > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > and help my fellow man!!! > Steve > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > out of the way." > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > such a direct response. > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > /Robert Skinner > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hnw555 at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 12:34:48 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:34:51 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Marc, I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make it difficult for the rest of us conservatives to change opinions or even get our viewpoint across in a rational, well thought our argument. In a bar, Steve would have gotten a black eye for that. Hank On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger wrote: > Steve- > > I think you are out of line. As has been said before, there > is a difference between personally attacking someone, and political > debate. > To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone stupid too their face > justifies a black eye in return. > > As a conservative, you embarrass me. > > Marc > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > Robert > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work only show your lack of > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > country doing; we are going after them. It is always > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you > protested that war. This country had the capitality > to free those people & because of people like you; a > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > JUST YOU. > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of. > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass > and go to work and earn your own living. > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > Welfare check to come with this information but at > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > below; I could not resist the > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > and help my fellow man!!! > Steve > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > out of the way." > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > such a direct response. > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > /Robert Skinner > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 09:35:37 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:35:40 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050609153537.48935.qmail@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't think so Hank. Steve --- Hank wrote: > Marc, > > I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make it > difficult for the > rest of us conservatives to change opinions or even > get our viewpoint > across in a rational, well thought our argument. In > a bar, Steve > would have gotten a black eye for that. > > Hank > > > > On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger > wrote: > > Steve- > > > > I think you are out of line. As has been said > before, there > > is a difference between personally attacking > someone, and political > > debate. > > To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone > stupid too their face > > justifies a black eye in return. > > > > As a conservative, you embarrass me. > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy > Comment on D-Day > > > > Robert > > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes > I > > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said > on > > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > > understand how the world work only show your lack > of > > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT > help > > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to > go > > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > > country doing; we are going after them. It is > always > > better to fight a war on some other Country soil > as > > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like > you > > caused this country to lose a War. That is > nothing to > > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it > you > > protested that war. This country had the > capitality > > to free those people & because of people like you; > a > > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as > some > > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > > JUST YOU. > > > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > that > > government is to be used for is passing out > WELFARE > > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > sits > > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are > not > > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > > proud of. > > > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > > Welfare without a direct course of action to get > off > > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If > you > > are going to achieve a state of mind where you > enjoy > > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy > ass > > and go to work and earn your own living. > > > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity > can > > absorb the wealth of information I have provided > you - > > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > > Welfare check to come with this information but at > > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > > below; I could not resist the > > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always > try > > and help my fellow man!!! > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- Robert Skinner > wrote: > > > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > > out of the way." > > > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > > such a direct response. > > > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > > > /Robert Skinner > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From hnw555 at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 12:40:44 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:40:47 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political - The war on Terrorism In-Reply-To: <245JFHu4K0152M36@cmsapps01.cms.usa.net> References: <245JFHu4K0152M36@cmsapps01.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: The below essay is, unfortunately, not attributed. I believe it presents a very succinct argument for the war on terrorism and accurately portrays the predicament the US is in. It does not assign blame to liberals or conservatives and, I do not believe it is biased in either direction. I think it is very good food for thought. Let the discussion begin! Hank ******************************************************************** To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII! ). The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize what losing really means. First, let's examine a few basics: 1. When did the threat to us start? Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us: Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983; Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988; Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Kh! obar Towers Military complex 1996; Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 19 98; Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; Pentagon 2001. (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide). 2. Why were we attacked? Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no provocation's by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter. 3. Who were the attackers? In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims. 4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25% 5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful? Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm). Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the 6 million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian or any others. Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die? 6. So who are we at war with? There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting. So with that background, now to the two major questions: 1. Can we lose this war? 2. What does losing really mean? If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions. We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to the second question - What does losing mean? It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get. What losing really means is: We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we were neutered and submissive to them. We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and cannot help them. They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a! time. It will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished. The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast! If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us, if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims, how could anyone else? The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know! it too and be likewise committed to winning at any cost. Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort to win. So, how can we lose the war? Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win! Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life and death seriousness of this situation. President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently. And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and in fact added many more since then. Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him? No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head. Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause. Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein. And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq. And still more recently, the same type enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American prisoners they held. Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them. Can this be for real? The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can. To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in, and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many years. Remember, the Muslim terrorists' stated goal is to kill all infidels! That translates into all non-Muslims -- not just in the United States, but throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense. We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world! We can't! If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and no other free country in the World will survive if we are defeated. And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world. This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read. If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves, over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar? Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by politically correct piece. And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power. They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"? I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it. After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world. Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free world! Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our "leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those that find fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE! From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 09:45:36 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:45:40 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <20050609153537.48935.qmail@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050609154536.9432.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And furthermore, when has one liberals viewpoint been changed on this list. Liberals are not going to change thier viewpoints. It's not in them to change. They have been raised that way; more like brainwashed. These discussion are a waste of time anyway but If I have to read there liberal crap; then I will throw it back in thier face. It not like they are going to listen. Look at how the Democrates are losing every election. Do they change thier politics, do they change to how the country majority viewpoint is; NO - they keep thier Heads buried into the sand and grip about it. Are they helping this country - No. Are they assisting in moving this country into the 21 century - No. Are they helping free Million & Million of people - No. Try and remember that being Conservative does not necessary mean that you have to get along with the other side. And the liberals will benefit from the conservatives movement; we won't benefit any from the liberals way of thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stand for what you believe; and if someone is stupid; you are NOT helping that individual if you pat him on the back & say poor poor you -mean old conservative. He has to change or be left behind. You do them no service. Steve --- Steve wrote: > I don't think so Hank. > Steve > > --- Hank wrote: > > > Marc, > > > > I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make > it > > difficult for the > > rest of us conservatives to change opinions or > even > > get our viewpoint > > across in a rational, well thought our argument. > In > > a bar, Steve > > would have gotten a black eye for that. > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger > > wrote: > > > Steve- > > > > > > I think you are out of line. As has been said > > before, there > > > is a difference between personally attacking > > someone, and political > > > debate. > > > To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone > > stupid too their face > > > justifies a black eye in return. > > > > > > As a conservative, you embarrass me. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of Steve > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] > Sappy > > Comment on D-Day > > > > > > Robert > > > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > > > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > > > > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. > Yes > > I > > > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said > > on > > > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > > > understand how the world work only show your > lack > > of > > > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT > > help > > > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason > to > > go > > > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > > > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > > > country doing; we are going after them. It is > > always > > > better to fight a war on some other Country soil > > as > > > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > > > > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like > > you > > > caused this country to lose a War. That is > > nothing to > > > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself > it > > you > > > protested that war. This country had the > > capitality > > > to free those people & because of people like > you; > > a > > > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > > > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as > > some > > > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; > NOT > > > JUST YOU. > > > > > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > > that > > > government is to be used for is passing out > > WELFARE > > > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > > sits > > > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > > > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They > are > > not > > > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > > > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to > be > > > proud of. > > > > > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain > on > > > Welfare without a direct course of action to get > > off > > > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If > > you > > > are going to achieve a state of mind where you > > enjoy > > > life and who you are; You got to get off you > lazy > > ass > > > and go to work and earn your own living. > > > > > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity > > can > > > absorb the wealth of information I have provided > > you - > > > free of charge. I know that you probably expect > a > > > Welfare check to come with this information but > at > > > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > > > below; I could not resist the > > > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always > > try > > > and help my fellow man!!! > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Robert Skinner > > wrote: > > > > > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > > > out of the way." > > > > > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > > > such a direct response. > > > > > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > > > > > /Robert Skinner > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 10:36:59 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 9 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050609163659.7375.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wally, Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had a jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who was meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" with our chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot job interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his friend who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had been activated. She was home on medical leave because of a broken foot (not combat related). Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive progress is being made that isn't being reported by the MSM. The military is putting a great deal of efforts turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, soccer fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were happy we were there and more than happy that Saddam is gone, but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the bad guys are difficult to identify because people are scared to turn them in, not that the average Iraqi supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the cops if we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal activity. There, they and their family are killed if they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's but jihadists from other countries. It will continue to be a problem for some time. She felt good about her duty there and supported the war but expressed that morale was fading amongst the troops because of the long and extended deployments. I asked her specifically what her take was on WMD and she gave me this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you ever made a decision in the jet based on the information you had at the time and realized later there were other options? Bush made a decision on the intel he was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". For the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her service and thought she and her unit were having a positive impact. Some people don't support the war because they just don't like war. Who does? Most of the non-supporters just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this thing and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi people for us to abandon them at this point. We did that once. We've had a huge military presence in the Middle East and Europe for a long time and now those assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a lameduck now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just as I have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. No matter who the next President is (my current money is on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. Brad --- Wally Buck wrote: > Ed, > > Thanks for changing the sugject line but my post was > not about "WMDs". > Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is not > Iraq". > > The funny thing is I have never questioned that Iraq > had "WMDs". I have > questioned what level of threat Iraq was to our > National Security and our > motives for attacking when we did. This is very hard > for many to understand. > > You are correct that the nukes were not in Cuba. I > apologize for the error. > The USSR was building the missle pads and facilities > to store and launch > Russian nukes in Cuba. The Soviets also had bombers > based in Cuba. There was > a real threat to our National Security. Also note > that this was settled with > out a war. This was my point. Not much to compare > with Iraq. > > I do understand that WMDs involve gas, biological, > and other means. I am > quite sure that stuff is missing as you say. This > problem is not limited to > Iraq. Again this was not the point of my post. The > situation in Cuba then > and Iraq now is quite different. To say differently > is to ignore history. > > Wally > > > >From: "ed kroposki" > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD > >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:18:21 -0400 > > > >Wally, > > WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, > such as gas, bio, et > >al. The issue was preventing them getting nuc's, > not that they already had > >them. The same issue now next door in Iran. > Furthermore, nuclear is not > >limited to bomb explosives but also bomb results, > ie, dirty explosives that > >contaminate. > > There was a complaint issued by the U.N. > inspectors recently about > >missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone missing > since the start of the > >war. If there was not problem, why are the U.N. > inspectors complaining > >about missing nuclear stuff now? > > I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, but > your last comment > >was not accurate. Humpf. > > > >Ed K > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Wally Buck > >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM > >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > >Mark, > > > >Steve is forgetting that there were actually nukes > in Cuba and we had the > >pictures to prove it. To compare this to the > situation Iraq is simply not > >logical. Ignoring facts is a problem for some! > > > >Wally > > > > >From: "Mark Kaynor" > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > D-Day > > >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:04 -0400 > > > > > >Hey Steve, > > >Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair > with Marilyn Monroe?:-) > > >Being unfaithful to his wife in the White > House!!! I have never heard of > > >such an abuse of power:-) Mark > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > D-Day > > > > > >Hey Slim > > >Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us > to war over nukes in > > >Cuba:-) > > >Taking this country to war over something like > weapon of mass > > >distruction!!! > > >I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > > > > > I was wondering if someone would notice > that:-) Steve > > > > > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell > anyone but there are a few > > > > Dems I like:-) > > > > > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is not what the > > > > > > government can do for you but what you can > do > > > > for > > > > > your > > > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a > famous > > > > quote > > > > > by a famous Democrat > > > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went > like > > > > this: > > > > > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can > do for you, but what you > > > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Discover Yahoo! > > > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online > and more. Check it out! > > > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Discover Yahoo! > > >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news > and more. 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Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 10:58:51 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 9 12:58:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political - The war on Terrorism In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hank, Excellent essay! I couldn't agree more. This week I've endured two incredibly silly events as part of the 9/11 hangover. Monday I traveled to DC on US Airways and because it was a last minute, one-way fare I got picked for ultra security - shoes off, belt open, bags searched, pat down, wanded, etc. I guess there has been a rash of middle aged white males wearing pilot uniforms with airline ID's blowing up airlines. Yesterday, Air France had a chemical spill in front of their freight facility at Dulles. The hazmat team and airport security had the only exit from our facility blocked and our limo couldn't get past them to take us to the hotel. I called the Dulles airport authority to ask permission for our limo to drive through our building and around the cargo facility to another exit. Nope, can't be done, the limo doesn't have the paperwork. "Yea, but I'll be sitting right next to the driver". Nope, can't be done. "How about if one of our mx trucks escorts us?" Nope, can't be done. Finally one of our rampers, a "its easier to ask forgiveness than permission" kind of guy said "follow me". We left. There are so many empires being built since 9/11 its pathetic and yet, its non-PC to profile. Incredible. I really hadn't planned to go to gun-packing school but am now considering it so I can skip the silly airport security goat-rope. Brad --- Hank wrote: > The below essay is, unfortunately, not attributed. > I believe it > presents a very succinct argument for the war on > terrorism and > accurately portrays the predicament the US is in. > It does not assign > blame to liberals or conservatives and, I do not > believe it is biased > in either direction. I think it is very good food > for thought. Let > the discussion begin! > > Hank > > ******************************************************************** > > To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go > through it. Our > country is now facing the most serious threat to its > existence, as we > know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and > mine (which includes > WWII! ). > > The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the > fact that there > are very few of us who think we can possibly lose > this war and even > fewer who realize what losing really means. > > First, let's examine a few basics: > > 1. When did the threat to us start? > > Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as > far as the United > States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to > September 2001, with > the following attacks on us: > Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; > Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983; > Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; > Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988; > Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Kh! obar Towers Military > complex 1996; > Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 19 98; > Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; > Pentagon 2001. > > (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there > were 7,581 > terrorist attacks worldwide). > > 2. Why were we attacked? > > Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. > The attacks > happened during the administrations of Presidents > Carter, Reagan, Bush > 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the > Republicans or > Democrats as there were no provocation's by any of > the presidents or > their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or > Carter. > > 3. Who were the attackers? > > In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out > by Muslims. > > 4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25% > > > 5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful? > > Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is > no doubt that the > predominately Christian population of Germany was > peaceful, but under > the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also > Christian), that > made no difference. You either went along with the > administration or > you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million > Christians killed by > the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 > Polish priests). (see > http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm). > > Thus, almost the same number of Christians were > killed by the Nazis, > as the 6 million holocaust Jews who were killed by > them, and we seldom > heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. > Although Hitler > kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no > hesitancy about killing > anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews > or of taking over > the world - German, Christian or any others. > > Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the > world on the US, but > kill all in the way -- their own people or the > Spanish, French or > anyone else. The point here is that just like the > peaceful Germans > were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no > matter how many > peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no > protection for us from the > terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are > fanatically bent on doing > -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us > "infidels." I > don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do > if the choice was > shut up or die? > > 6. So who are we at war with? > > There is no way we can honestly respond that it is > anyone other than > the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically > correct and avoid > verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There > is no way to win > if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who > you are fighting. > > So with that background, now to the two major > questions: > > 1. Can we lose this war? > > 2. What does losing really mean? > > If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two > pivotal questions. > > We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as > it may sound, the > major reason we can lose is that so many of us > simply do not fathom > the answer to the second question - What does losing > mean? > > It would appear that a great many of us think that > losing the war > means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home > and going on about > our business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from > the truth as one > can get. What losing really means is: > > We would no longer be the premier country in the > world. The attacks > will not subside, but rather will steadily increase. > Remember, they > want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just > wanted us quiet, they > would not have produced an increasing series of > attacks against us, > over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly, for > terrorist to attack > us, until we were neutered and submissive to them. > > We would of course have no future support from other > nations, for fear > of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, > we are impotent > and cannot help them. > > They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one > at a! time. It > will be increasingly easier for them. They already > hold Spain hostage. > It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for > Spain to withdraw > its troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the > Muslim terrorists > bombed their train and told them to withdraw the > troops. Anything else > they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is > finished. > > The next will probably be France. Our one hope on > France is that they > might see the light and realize that if we don't > win, they are > finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim > terrorists without > us. However, it may already be too late for France. > France is already > 20% Muslim and fading fast! > > If we lose the war, our production, income, exports > and way of life > will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who > would trade or deal > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 9 15:04:29 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 9 15:04:36 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <20050609133542.81103.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All: This is why I changed my 'handle' to Slim. I don't want any confusion over the two Steves. On 6/9/05 8:35 AM, "Steve" wrote: > Robert > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work only show your lack of > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > country doing; we are going after them. It is always > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you > protested that war. This country had the capitality > to free those people & because of people like you; a > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > JUST YOU. > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of. > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass > and go to work and earn your own living. > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > Welfare check to come with this information but at > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > below; I could not resist the > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > and help my fellow man!!! > Steve > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > >> Rik Sandberg wrote: >>> >>> Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. >> >> Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. >> I couldn't resist such an invitation... >> Consider it a way of suggesting silence. >> >> Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get >> out of the way." >> >> As you correctly point out, there is too >> much empty talk about dying for our country >> from those with no flesh on the front lines. >> >> Apologies to those who may be offended by >> such a direct response. >> >> All honor to those who are in harm's way. >> >> /Robert Skinner >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >> www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From joscook at msn.com Thu Jun 9 18:39:20 2005 From: joscook at msn.com (J Cook) Date: Thu Jun 9 17:39:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. Joseph From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 9 18:04:58 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 9 18:05:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political - The war on Terrorism Message-ID: Hank and Brad, Although the article makes a few good points, wishing that all Americans unite is nothing but that--a wish. It'll never happen. We're too diverse in our cultures, religions, languages, races, incomes, ideologies, etc. to ever speak as one. But isn't that one of the best things about the US? Dissent is healthy. I'll never jump on W's bandwagon no matter how much fear-mongering rhetoric is thrown at me. Simply put, I just don't trust him. Nor do I think that unless we all join together, the country will implode and the terrorists win. That's giving them too much credit. They're not nearly that well organized. W would like us to believe that our nation, and even Freedom itself is in grave danger. I don't buy it. Consider the stability, economy, resources, and might of this country compared to that of the terrorists. They don't even have a country, much less a mighty one. Slim On 6/9/05 10:40 AM, "Hank" wrote: > The below essay is, unfortunately, not attributed. I believe it > presents a very succinct argument for the war on terrorism and > accurately portrays the predicament the US is in. It does not assign > blame to liberals or conservatives and, I do not believe it is biased > in either direction. I think it is very good food for thought. Let > the discussion begin! > > Hank > > ******************************************************************** > > To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our > country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we > know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes > WWII! ). > > The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there > are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even > fewer who realize what losing really means. > > First, let's examine a few basics: > > 1. When did the threat to us start? > > Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as far as the United > States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with > the following attacks on us: > Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; > Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983; > Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; > Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988; > Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Kh! obar Towers Military complex 1996; > Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 19 98; > Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; > Pentagon 2001. > > (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 > terrorist attacks worldwide). > > 2. Why were we attacked? > > Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks > happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush > 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or > Democrats as there were no provocation's by any of the presidents or > their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter. > > 3. Who were the attackers? > > In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims. > > 4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25% > > 5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful? > > Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the > predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under > the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that > made no difference. You either went along with the administration or > you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by > the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see > http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm). > > Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, > as the 6 million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom > heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler > kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing > anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over > the world - German, Christian or any others. > > Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but > kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or > anyone else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans > were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many > peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the > terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing > -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I > don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was > shut up or die? > > 6. So who are we at war with? > > There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than > the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid > verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win > if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting. > > So with that background, now to the two major questions: > > 1. Can we lose this war? > > 2. What does losing really mean? > > If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions. > > We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the > major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom > the answer to the second question - What does losing mean? > > It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war > means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about > our business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one > can get. What losing really means is: > > We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks > will not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they > want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they > would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, > over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack > us, until we were neutered and submissive to them. > > We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear > of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent > and cannot help them. > > They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a! time. It > will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. > It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw > its troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists > bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else > they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished. > > The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they > might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are > finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without > us. However, it may already be too late for France. France is already > 20% Muslim and fading fast! > > If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life > will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal > with us, if they were threatened by the Muslims. > > If we can't stop the Muslims, how could anyone else? > > The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are > completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know! it too > and be likewise committed to winning at any cost. > > Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. > Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put > 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take > that 100% effort to win. > > So, how can we lose the war? > > Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That > is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their > purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to the war > effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we > continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win! > > Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the > life and death seriousness of this situation. > > President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. > > Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men > between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow > profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? > This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of > the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be > prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most > certainly lose all of them permanently. > > And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of > civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the > victory and in fact added many more since then. > > Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him? > > No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our > Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this > conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words > apply to war. Get them out of your head. > > Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the > Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see > us lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It > is because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, > that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and > weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our > cause. > > Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media > regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies > best what I am saying. > > We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment of a few Muslim > prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police. > > These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing > their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out > their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for > disagreeing with Saddam Hussein. > > And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed > 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the > same type enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and > dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq. > > And still more recently, the same type enemy that was and is providing > videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of > American prisoners they held. > > Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several > days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" > of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their > charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but > "humiliating" them. > > Can this be for real? > > The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the > Secretary of Defense. > > If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and > understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the > life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing > this war, nothing can. > > To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this > prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome > burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. > > Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. > > Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media > people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely > oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in, and into which > the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many years. > > Remember, the Muslim terrorists' stated goal is to kill all infidels! > That translates into all non-Muslims -- not just in the United States, > but throughout the world. > > We are the last bastion of defense. > > We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That > charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we > believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the > hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands > tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world! > > We can't! > > If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, > and no other free country in the World will survive if we are > defeated. > > And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow > freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of > the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status > or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single > way that contributes to the good of the world. > > This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war > or we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall > of the Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow > history books to be written or read. > > If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the > Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will > continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to > encroach little by little, on the established French traditions. The > French will be fighting among themselves, over what should or should > not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any > united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar? > > Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some > external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, > politically correct piece by politically correct piece. > > And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, > worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or > even to themselves, once they are in power. > > They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then > start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control > the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, > about the "peaceful Muslims"? > > I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are > united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the > election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the > critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It > is your future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve > it. > > After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, > but our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world. > > Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that > includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free world! > > Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our > "leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. > > There are those that find fault with our country, but it is obvious to > anyone who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE! > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 9 19:53:03 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 9 18:53:22 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c56d46$02bf31b0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Joseph: We have kept inviting other Rhodies to Lake Hartwell and have yet to be taken up. Unfortunately, I do not expect to be around for the 4th of July. See: http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm http://www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/ http://www.portmanmarina.com/ Then there is Wally in line for one Florida's favorite weather phenomena. Wally sails on the Tennessee River. See: http://www.tnriver.com/ Or, consider the coast. You may have read the adventure of Capt Bill and the Oriental, Morehead City and Cape Lookout area. Just a little further up is the home to your boat, Edenton, NC. Actually the sailing is quite good in Stan's backyard. The sound has lots of open water. See: http://www.charlestoncitymarina.com/ http://www.marina-info.com/minfo/us/realusindex.htm http://www.edentonmarina.com/ http://www.orientalmarina.com/ I expect to be on the 6th Great Lake over the 4th. http://sayahoy.com/index.shtml http://www.lakechamplainpub.com/Lake_Champlain.htm Ed K Greenville, SC, USA From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 20:25:56 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Thu Jun 9 19:26:34 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joseph, I am not sure what part of FL you are from but I really want to head down your way. Pensacola area has a lot to offer. I would love to do some cruising in the Great Lakes as well. I sail on the TN River and we have some great anchorages but the B&Bs are few and far between. There are restaurants but nothing fancy. You can get cold beer and a good burger at Blue Springs Marina. Fair Winds, Wally >From: "J Cook" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:39:20 -0400 > >Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended >vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some >favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in >a while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in >Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. > >Joseph >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From sprocket80 at mail.com Thu Jun 9 19:30:37 2005 From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Thu Jun 9 19:30:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <20050609233037.F421D1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Steve, Your ignorance displayed here on this list only serves to reinforce "those liberals" point of view that abortion does serve a purpose. Sadly, Roe vs. Wade was too late to save us from you. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:35:42 -0700 (PDT) > > Robert > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work only show your lack of > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > country doing; we are going after them. It is always > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you > protested that war. This country had the capitality > to free those people & because of people like you; a > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > JUST YOU. > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of. > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass > and go to work and earn your own living. > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > Welfare check to come with this information but at > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > below; I could not resist the > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > and help my fellow man!!! > Steve > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get out of the way." As you > > correctly point out, there is too > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > such a direct response. > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > /Robert Skinner > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 9 20:33:48 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 9 19:33:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Favorite cruising In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c56d4b$afec4940$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Wally: Is this the place: http://www.bluespringsmarina.com/ with a web cam too. Ed K From sprocket80 at mail.com Thu Jun 9 19:49:51 2005 From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Thu Jun 9 19:49:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Todd's diatribe (about little Steve) Message-ID: <20050609234951.CB40E101D8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Steve, You act just like one of these radical Muslim jihadists that sponsor terrorism. You take the normal flow of things are twist them all up inside your narrow mind. You get so fanatical that facts no longer matter....having been "proved" (GWB) by the fact you can never support your argument. You are driven by anger and ignorance and lash out at anyone that expresses a view counter to yours. You can critize and bad mouth me if it makes you feel like a big man. It doesn't matter that I have never said if I was a liberal or a conservative. Rest easy in the knowledge that 1500 miles separate us or you would be admiring the paint job on the ceiling...just because I don't like loud mouth bullies. Todd PS: To the rest of the fine people here on the list I apologize, but I have had all I can take of this a**hole. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) > > Ed > I never consider myself in special status. But I do > call it like it is!!!!!!!!! If people don't want to > know the facts; they don't have to bring up this > liberal nonsense. I am never the one that starts this > stuff. > Steve > > > --- ed kroposki wrote: > > > Steve, > > Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and > > unnecessary. I > > appreciate that you think you are a long timer with > > special status, but you > > are abusing the list. > > Ed K > > Greenville, SC, USA -----Original Message----- > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of Steve > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy > > Comment on D-Day > > > > Robert > > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > > understand how the world work only show your lack of > > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to > > go > > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. Liberal central > > for you liberals & what is this > > country doing; we are going after them. It is > > always > > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > > compared to fighting it on this country soil. You need to get > > over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing > > to > > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it > > you > > protested that war. This country had the capitality > > to free those people & because of people like you; a > > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > > JUST YOU. > > > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > > that > > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > > sits > > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are > > not > > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > > proud of. Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy > > ass > > and go to work and earn your own living. I can only hope that > > your limited brain Capacity can > > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you > > - > > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > > Welfare check to come with this information but at > > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > > below; I could not resist the > > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > > and help my fellow man!!! > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > out of the way." > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > > such a direct response. > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > /Robert Skinner > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Thu Jun 9 20:42:42 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Thu Jun 9 19:51:06 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Fwd: For sale] Message-ID: <42A8D3F2.6050409@michaelmeltzer.com> he sent it to the wrong address, forwarding it for him -mjm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: For sale Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:15:42 -0400 From: To: Hi, I just spoke w/ Elton at General Boats. He suggested that I circulate this advertisement: 1976 Rhodes Continental, w/ '02 Nissan 8HP w/ elect. start, roller furling, VHF, rebulit trailer. Boat located in CT. Good condition for vintage $3,400 My number: 860-537-9100. Thanks for your consideration. Fred Willson From jsail1 at verizon.net Thu Jun 9 20:57:40 2005 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (Jay Friedland) Date: Thu Jun 9 19:57:52 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where R22 docs reside Message-ID: <795453db9bbc1b3291a4b03c045a50d9@verizon.net> Folks- Just a quick question for the list- Where do the stored copies of R22 documents reside? Specifically the mast hoist instructions. Thanks. Jay From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 21:03:41 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:03:53 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD In-Reply-To: <20050609163659.7375.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brad, My nephew emails me every month or so with updates from Iraq. It does seem we are making progress. In the end history will be the judge. How about your boy Ford. It sure doesn't take much to buy a TN politician. :-0 Wally >From: brad haslett >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) > >Wally, > >Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a >helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had a >jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who was >meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" with our >chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot job >interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his friend >who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had been >activated. She was home on medical leave because of a >broken foot (not combat related). > >Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive progress >is being made that isn't being reported by the MSM. >The military is putting a great deal of efforts >turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, soccer >fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were happy >we were there and more than happy that Saddam is gone, >but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of >oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the bad >guys are difficult to identify because people are >scared to turn them in, not that the average Iraqi >supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the cops if >we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal >activity. There, they and their family are killed if >they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's but >jihadists from other countries. It will continue to >be a problem for some time. She felt good about her >duty there and supported the war but expressed that >morale was fading amongst the troops because of the >long and extended deployments. I asked her >specifically what her take was on WMD and she gave me >this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you ever >made a decision in the jet based on the information >you had at the time and realized later there were >other options? Bush made a decision on the intel he >was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". For >the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her service >and thought she and her unit were having a positive >impact. > >Some people don't support the war because they just >don't like war. Who does? Most of the non-supporters >just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this thing >and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi >people for us to abandon them at this point. We did >that once. We've had a huge military presence in the >Middle East and Europe for a long time and now those >assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a lameduck >now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just as I >have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. No >matter who the next President is (my current money is >on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. > >Brad > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > Ed, > > > > Thanks for changing the sugject line but my post was > > not about "WMDs". > > Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is not > > Iraq". > > > > The funny thing is I have never questioned that Iraq > > had "WMDs". I have > > questioned what level of threat Iraq was to our > > National Security and our > > motives for attacking when we did. This is very hard > > for many to understand. > > > > You are correct that the nukes were not in Cuba. I > > apologize for the error. > > The USSR was building the missle pads and facilities > > to store and launch > > Russian nukes in Cuba. The Soviets also had bombers > > based in Cuba. There was > > a real threat to our National Security. Also note > > that this was settled with > > out a war. This was my point. Not much to compare > > with Iraq. > > > > I do understand that WMDs involve gas, biological, > > and other means. I am > > quite sure that stuff is missing as you say. This > > problem is not limited to > > Iraq. Again this was not the point of my post. The > > situation in Cuba then > > and Iraq now is quite different. To say differently > > is to ignore history. > > > > Wally > > > > > > >From: "ed kroposki" > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD > > >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:18:21 -0400 > > > > > >Wally, > > > WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, > > such as gas, bio, et > > >al. The issue was preventing them getting nuc's, > > not that they already had > > >them. The same issue now next door in Iran. > > Furthermore, nuclear is not > > >limited to bomb explosives but also bomb results, > > ie, dirty explosives that > > >contaminate. > > > There was a complaint issued by the U.N. > > inspectors recently about > > >missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone missing > > since the start of the > > >war. If there was not problem, why are the U.N. > > inspectors complaining > > >about missing nuclear stuff now? > > > I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, but > > your last comment > > >was not accurate. Humpf. > > > > > >Ed K > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of Wally Buck > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM > > >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > > > >Mark, > > > > > >Steve is forgetting that there were actually nukes > > in Cuba and we had the > > >pictures to prove it. To compare this to the > > situation Iraq is simply not > > >logical. Ignoring facts is a problem for some! > > > > > >Wally > > > > > > >From: "Mark Kaynor" > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > > D-Day > > > >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:04 -0400 > > > > > > > >Hey Steve, > > > >Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair > > with Marilyn Monroe?:-) > > > >Being unfaithful to his wife in the White > > House!!! I have never heard of > > > >such an abuse of power:-) Mark > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of Steve > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM > > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > > D-Day > > > > > > > >Hey Slim > > > >Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us > > to war over nukes in > > > >Cuba:-) > > > >Taking this country to war over something like > > weapon of mass > > > >distruction!!! > > > >I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > > > > > > > I was wondering if someone would notice > > that:-) Steve > > > > > > > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell > > anyone but there are a few > > > > > Dems I like:-) > > > > > > > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It is not what the > > > > > > > government can do for you but what you can > > do > > > > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a > > famous > > > > > quote > > > > > > by a famous Democrat > > > > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went > > like > > > > > this: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can > > do for you, but what you > > > > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Discover Yahoo! > > > > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online > > and more. Check it out! > > > > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > > >Discover Yahoo! > > > >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news > > and more. 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Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From 3drecon at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 21:08:59 2005 From: 3drecon at comcast.net (Philip Esteban) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:09:32 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD FYI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c56d50$9a5fad60$0f908c41@yourb8ed622a9f> Unedited, direct from the Pentagon Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: Semper Fi, Marines Another chapter in the tradition of the Corps. Semper Fi, Marines: This is another combat report from Col Bob Chase, G-3, 2dMarDiv in Iraq. Right from the horse's mouth! Was talking to Gino and he asked for some details on the MATADOR fight. Figured, by now since many of you might have caught some of the interviews, you'd like to hear, 'the rest of the story..." Matador is now officially over, supposedly, they were going to fight our way back and destroy us - guess they missed the turn at the dairy queen. We are back and the final tally was Good Guys - 125+ enemy dead, many more wounded, and 39 detainees of some significant value. The bad guys, who talk a real good game - 9 Killed (6 in the one Amtrak) and 30 wounded (most will return to duty). Not a bad weeks work. As we have said, our intent was to make ourselves big by leveraging our firepower and mobility. This area was a real sh*thole for AMZ criminals. We knew it, 1st Division knew it, but working it on a regular basis was tough. We kept some recon there and got the timing pretty well, brought up a bridging unit from the Army in Baghdad, then went across in the middle of the night (that was probably the only part that didn't go on sked (the bank gradient was poorly assessed) but we had near and far-side security already in and a blocking position near the Syrian Border. The enemy figured out after about 4 hours that we were there in force. They came down with about 100 fighters (no, scratch that - they were TARGETS) and made the poor decision to take on a battalion in open ground. They withdrew - we went after them into a place called Ubaydi. Many mounted boats and tried to escape N, we pushed Air, and the Cobras sunk a bunch of trash barges that night. Meanwhile, we continued to push west across the river. Our far-side units started to see pockets of insurgents move to key areas to emplace mines/IEDs. They came out, snipers took them out; their friends came for the bodies; they, joined them on the deck - permanently. The force started getting the tanks and LAVs across later than we had hoped; but when they did! Our first casualties came at a high-rise where the enemy had prepared positions; a platoon moved in under fire, 2 Marines, a SSGT and a LCPL were first in the hatch and received a burst of MG fire. As the unit assumed they were dead (no additional fire/no one came out), they lit up the house and dropped it with a coupla 500-pounders. As we moved to recover our Marines (NONE LEFT BEHIND), we discovered that the LCPL, though wounded was still alive (he is serious, but stable). Unfortunately the SSGT had taken a round to the grape and had been killed by the initial burst We moved on; portions of the task force moving along known rat-lines and others working Intel developed in the cities of Ramana and Karabila. Fighting was sporadic, intense, and one-sided in outcome. We followed individuals into buildings, we leveled the buildings; all night, every night. Marine Air had eyes up and shooters on-station - talk about a guardian angel! Each night we re-assessed, looked at the Intel and developed the next target sets. We stayed down there until a few days ago; then shifted to a series of caves in the north. The caves were on an escarpment and rumors abound about whether these were Bin-Laden like caves - answer no, mostly small caches and some protection from about everything but a hellfire with a laser designator. We exploited some and closed most of them permanently. The enemy propaganda talked a lot about how they were going to kill us as we retreated, etc. They showed pictures of devastation in Al Qaim (caused by an intramural fight between the tribes and foreign fighters, no less) and blamed the Americans. Al Jazeera called to speak to me and interviewed me twice on air - yes, I called the enemy cowards, again, that hid behind women and children in the cities and caused their death by their cowardice. Played well, enemy swore they had captured/killed the enemy commander. Went on again last night to ridicule them for their lies and continued fear of death, told them the destruction of AQ was evidence that, the noble tribes of Iraq also reject those that deface their holy places and dishonor their dead. We'll see if a wanted poster appears tomorrow - bad news is, they still didn't get pissed off enough to come out and play. We went back across the river without incident, decided to poke a stick in Ubaydi (where the big fight was), just ONE MORE TIME before we left - NOTHING, they wanted no part of these Marines again! We're all back at base camps and Forward Operating Bases, maintaining, cleaning, talking sh*t, and prepping for the next smackdown! NBC interviewed me again last night - good stuff, but they harped on the casualties. I told them it was war; they wanted to know if a whole squad was killed in the track. As I told them a squad's worth of Marines were killed/hurt (6 KIA,14 WIA) but it was NOT the catastrophic loss of a squad (it was a HQ track). NBC wanted to know how to refer to them, as a squad, company, etc. I told them, pretty bluntly, refer to them for what they will always be - US MARINES! They continued to push (I was starting to become a bit agitated) - they wanted to know how we considered this a success with the deaths (I nearly lost it), and how would we remember them, would there be a ceremony? You know what happens when I get into this mode - thought you might appreciate the answer: We can never replace a fellow Marine or best friend but I can attest that he died doing what we all hope to be doing as Marines, they were advancing, leading, and setting the example - they were being MARINES! It may not matter in the grand scheme of things to anyone but us, but we are singularly proud that we have and know Marines that fought and died like these. We remember and memorialize them and keep them alive every single time we put on this uniform -- we are just honored to wear the same eagle, globe, and anchor as these warrior/heroes. We don't make policy, we don't decide on the fight, but we do fight and win. And when we win, it is because every one of these Marines fight with us in sprit - and we will not, we cannot let them down. To we Marines, Semper Fidelis is more than a motto - it was to them, and to us who were privileged to fight with them, a way of life. Not sure that will get on the tube. Unfortunate, because I think we should all be such Marines when our time comes. S/F, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Wally Buck Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:04 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD Brad, My nephew emails me every month or so with updates from Iraq. It does seem we are making progress. In the end history will be the judge. How about your boy Ford. It sure doesn't take much to buy a TN politician. :-0 Wally >From: brad haslett >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) > >Wally, > >Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a >helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had a >jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who was >meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" with our >chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot job >interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his friend >who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had been >activated. She was home on medical leave because of a >broken foot (not combat related). > >Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive progress >is being made that isn't being reported by the MSM. >The military is putting a great deal of efforts >turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, soccer >fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were happy >we were there and more than happy that Saddam is gone, >but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of >oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the bad >guys are difficult to identify because people are >scared to turn them in, not that the average Iraqi >supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the cops if >we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal >activity. There, they and their family are killed if >they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's but >jihadists from other countries. It will continue to >be a problem for some time. She felt good about her >duty there and supported the war but expressed that >morale was fading amongst the troops because of the >long and extended deployments. I asked her >specifically what her take was on WMD and she gave me >this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you ever >made a decision in the jet based on the information >you had at the time and realized later there were >other options? Bush made a decision on the intel he >was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". For >the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her service >and thought she and her unit were having a positive >impact. > >Some people don't support the war because they just >don't like war. Who does? Most of the non-supporters >just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this thing >and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi >people for us to abandon them at this point. We did >that once. We've had a huge military presence in the >Middle East and Europe for a long time and now those >assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a lameduck >now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just as I >have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. No >matter who the next President is (my current money is >on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. > >Brad > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > Ed, > > > > Thanks for changing the sugject line but my post was > > not about "WMDs". > > Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is not > > Iraq". > > > > The funny thing is I have never questioned that Iraq > > had "WMDs". I have > > questioned what level of threat Iraq was to our > > National Security and our > > motives for attacking when we did. This is very hard > > for many to understand. > > > > You are correct that the nukes were not in Cuba. I > > apologize for the error. > > The USSR was building the missle pads and facilities > > to store and launch > > Russian nukes in Cuba. The Soviets also had bombers > > based in Cuba. There was > > a real threat to our National Security. Also note > > that this was settled with > > out a war. This was my point. Not much to compare > > with Iraq. > > > > I do understand that WMDs involve gas, biological, > > and other means. I am > > quite sure that stuff is missing as you say. This > > problem is not limited to > > Iraq. Again this was not the point of my post. The > > situation in Cuba then > > and Iraq now is quite different. To say differently > > is to ignore history. > > > > Wally > > > > > > >From: "ed kroposki" > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD > > >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:18:21 -0400 > > > > > >Wally, > > > WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, > > such as gas, bio, et > > >al. The issue was preventing them getting nuc's, > > not that they already had > > >them. The same issue now next door in Iran. > > Furthermore, nuclear is not > > >limited to bomb explosives but also bomb results, > > ie, dirty explosives that > > >contaminate. > > > There was a complaint issued by the U.N. > > inspectors recently about > > >missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone missing > > since the start of the > > >war. If there was not problem, why are the U.N. > > inspectors complaining > > >about missing nuclear stuff now? > > > I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, but > > your last comment > > >was not accurate. Humpf. > > > > > >Ed K > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of Wally Buck > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM > > >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > > > >Mark, > > > > > >Steve is forgetting that there were actually nukes > > in Cuba and we had the > > >pictures to prove it. To compare this to the > > situation Iraq is simply not > > >logical. Ignoring facts is a problem for some! > > > > > >Wally > > > > > > >From: "Mark Kaynor" > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > > D-Day > > > >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:04 -0400 > > > > > > > >Hey Steve, > > > >Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair > > with Marilyn Monroe?:-) > > > >Being unfaithful to his wife in the White > > House!!! I have never heard of > > > >such an abuse of power:-) Mark > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of Steve > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM > > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > > D-Day > > > > > > > >Hey Slim > > > >Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us > > to war over nukes in > > > >Cuba:-) > > > >Taking this country to war over something like > > weapon of mass > > > >distruction!!! > > > >I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > > > > > > > I was wondering if someone would notice > > that:-) Steve > > > > > > > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell > > anyone but there are a few > > > > > Dems I like:-) > > > > > > > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It is not what the > > > > > > > government can do for you but what you can > > do > > > > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a > > famous > > > > > quote > > > > > > by a famous Democrat > > > > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went > > like > > > > > this: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can > > do for you, but what you > > > > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Discover Yahoo! > > > > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online > > and more. Check it out! > > > > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > > >Discover Yahoo! > > > >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news > > and more. Check it out! > > > >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > >=== message truncated === > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 9 21:14:13 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:14:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where R22 docs reside In-Reply-To: <795453db9bbc1b3291a4b03c045a50d9@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000201c56d51$5803a6a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Jay: Of all people, you need instructions on mast rising? In addition, have you of all people looked at the other parts of the www.Rhodes22.org web site, like the Doc section (hint)? Moreover, your buddy Bill Effros has check lists that he has periodically sent out. Oh were is Bill? Todd: Did you notice that several others of us immediately responded to the problem today? Shall we vote on kicking him off? I doubt that would get his attention, but it is a problem. Any suggestions on how we should deal with the situation before he aggravates too many? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jay Friedland Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:58 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where R22 docs reside Folks- Just a quick question for the list- Where do the stored copies of R22 documents reside? Specifically the mast hoist instructions. Thanks. Jay __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 21:14:36 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:14:39 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Todd's diatribe (about little Steve) In-Reply-To: <20050609234951.CB40E101D8@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Todd, And I thought it was just me. Steve is all talk and quite the fool. I am pretty sure you already knew that. Wally >From: "Todd Tavares" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Todd's diatribe (about little Steve) >Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:49:51 -0500 > >Steve, > > You act just like one of these radical Muslim jihadists that sponsor >terrorism. You take the normal flow of things are twist them all up inside >your narrow mind. You get so fanatical that facts no longer >matter....having been "proved" (GWB) by the fact you can never support >your argument. You are driven by anger and ignorance and lash out at >anyone that expresses a view counter to yours. > > You can critize and bad mouth me if it makes you feel like a big man. >It doesn't matter that I have never said if I was a liberal or a >conservative. Rest easy in the knowledge that 1500 miles separate us or >you would be admiring the paint job on the ceiling...just because I don't >like loud mouth bullies. > >Todd > >PS: To the rest of the fine people here on the list I apologize, but I >have had all I can take of this a**hole. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Steve >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > Ed > > I never consider myself in special status. But I do > > call it like it is!!!!!!!!! If people don't want to > > know the facts; they don't have to bring up this > > liberal nonsense. I am never the one that starts this > > stuff. > > Steve > > > > > > --- ed kroposki wrote: > > > > > Steve, > > > Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and > > > unnecessary. I > > > appreciate that you think you are a long timer with > > > special status, but you > > > are abusing the list. > > > Ed K > > > Greenville, SC, USA -----Original Message----- > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf Of Steve > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy > > > Comment on D-Day > > > > > > Robert > > > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > > > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > > > > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > > > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > > > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > > > understand how the world work only show your lack of > > > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > > > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to > > > go > > > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. Liberal central > > > for you liberals & what is this > > > country doing; we are going after them. It is > > > always > > > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > > > compared to fighting it on this country soil. You need to get > > > over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > > > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing > > > to > > > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it > > > you > > > protested that war. This country had the capitality > > > to free those people & because of people like you; a > > > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > > > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > > > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > > > JUST YOU. > > > > > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > > > that > > > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > > > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > > > sits > > > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > > > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are > > > not > > > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > > > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > > > proud of. Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > > > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > > > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > > > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > > > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy > > > ass > > > and go to work and earn your own living. I can only hope that > > > your limited brain Capacity can > > > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you > > > - > > > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > > > Welfare check to come with this information but at > > > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > > > below; I could not resist the > > > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > > > and help my fellow man!!! > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > > > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > out of the way." > > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > > > such a direct response. > > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > > /Robert Skinner > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > >-- >___________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com >http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 21:17:03 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:17:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Favorite cruising In-Reply-To: <000001c56d4b$afec4940$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Yes sir that is my marina. And by the way thanks for trying to check Steve. Adults can disagree without resorting to childish behavior. - Wally >From: "ed kroposki" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Favorite cruising Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 >19:33:48 -0400 > >Wally: > Is this the place: http://www.bluespringsmarina.com/ with a web cam >too. > >Ed K > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 21:18:09 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:18:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050609233037.F421D1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Thanks Todd - LOL! >From: "Todd Tavares" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] (no subject) >Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:30:37 -0500 > >Steve, > > Your ignorance displayed here on this list only serves to reinforce >"those liberals" point of view that abortion does serve a purpose. Sadly, >Roe vs. Wade was too late to save us from you. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Steve >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:35:42 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > Robert > > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > > understand how the world work only show your lack of > > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go > > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > > country doing; we are going after them. It is always > > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to > > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you > > protested that war. This country had the capitality > > to free those people & because of people like you; a > > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > > JUST YOU. > > > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing that > > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits > > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not > > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > > proud of. > > > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass > > and go to work and earn your own living. > > > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - > > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > > Welfare check to come with this information but at > > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > > below; I could not resist the > > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > > and help my fellow man!!! > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get out of the way." As you > > > correctly point out, there is too > > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > > such a direct response. > > > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > > > /Robert Skinner > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > >-- >___________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com >http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Thu Jun 9 21:10:05 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:18:29 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <20050609154536.9432.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050609154536.9432.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A8DA5D.8070501@michaelmeltzer.com> Steve, You went over the line, I really do not have the time for this horse shit. Like you said you are not changing anyone view point, you have nothing to prove here, insulting people for their viewpoint is simply not right. I pretty sure you think is is fun/funny/a good old boys way of having fun, etc..... and people should simply lighten up, bah bah bah. But you know what, it was rude and not the way southern gentleman is pictured. In fact closer to a NYC taxi drive giving someone the finger. SO!!! Cut the shit, Say you are sorry for making it personal, leave the "personal" atccks alone or leavel the complete subject alone if you find your self unable to control your self(it real dose look like you are pissing on your self), I be hostest here, I need the bad vibes to end on the list. -mjm Steve wrote: >And furthermore, when has one liberals viewpoint been >changed on this list. Liberals are not going to >change thier viewpoints. It's not in them to change. >They have been raised that way; more like brainwashed. > These discussion are a waste of time anyway but If I >have to read there liberal crap; then I will throw it >back in thier face. It not like they are going to >listen. Look at how the Democrates are losing every >election. Do they change thier politics, do they >change to how the country majority viewpoint is; NO - >they keep thier Heads buried into the sand and grip >about it. Are they helping this country - No. Are >they assisting in moving this country into the 21 >century - No. Are they helping free Million & Million >of people - No. > >Try and remember that being Conservative does not >necessary mean that you have to get along with the >other side. And the liberals will benefit from the >conservatives movement; we won't benefit any from the >liberals way of thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stand for what >you believe; and if someone is stupid; you are NOT >helping that individual if you pat him on the back & >say poor poor you -mean old conservative. He has to >change or be left behind. You do them no service. >Steve > >--- Steve wrote: > > > >>I don't think so Hank. >>Steve >> >>--- Hank wrote: >> >> >> >>>Marc, >>> >>>I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make >>> >>> >>it >> >> >>>difficult for the >>>rest of us conservatives to change opinions or >>> >>> >>even >> >> >>>get our viewpoint >>>across in a rational, well thought our argument. >>> >>> >>In >> >> >>>a bar, Steve >>>would have gotten a black eye for that. >>> >>>Hank >>> >>> >>> >>>On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Steve- >>>> >>>>I think you are out of line. As has been said >>>> >>>> >>>before, there >>> >>> >>>>is a difference between personally attacking >>>> >>>> >>>someone, and political >>> >>> >>>>debate. >>>>To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone >>>> >>>> >>>stupid too their face >>> >>> >>>>justifies a black eye in return. >>>> >>>>As a conservative, you embarrass me. >>>> >>>>Marc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On >>>> >>>> >>>Behalf Of Steve >>> >>> >>>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] >>>> >>>> >>Sappy >> >> >>>Comment on D-Day >>> >>> >>>>Robert >>>>Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly >>>>Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. >>>> >>>>Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. >>>> >>>> >>Yes >> >> >>>I >>> >>> >>>>said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said >>>> >>>> >>>on >>> >>> >>>>this list; your unwillingness to even try and >>>>understand how the world work only show your >>>> >>>> >>lack >> >> >>>of >>> >>> >>>>brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT >>>> >>>> >>>help >>> >>> >>>>themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason >>>> >>>> >>to >> >> >>>go >>> >>> >>>>to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. >>>>Liberal central for you liberals & what is this >>>>country doing; we are going after them. It is >>>> >>>> >>>always >>> >>> >>>>better to fight a war on some other Country soil >>>> >>>> >>>as >>> >>> >>>>compared to fighting it on this country soil. >>>> >>>>You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like >>>> >>>> >>>you >>> >>> >>>>caused this country to lose a War. That is >>>> >>>> >>>nothing to >>> >>> >>>>be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself >>>> >>>> >>it >> >> >>>you >>> >>> >>>>protested that war. This country had the >>>> >>>> >>>capitality >>> >>> >>>>to free those people & because of people like >>>> >>>> >>you; >> >> >>>a >>> >>> >>>>lot of vietamise people continue to have to live >>>>without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as >>>> >>>> >>>some >>> >>> >>>>elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; >>>> >>>> >>NOT >> >> >>>>JUST YOU. >>>> >>>>As for liberals like you who think the one thing >>>> >>>> >>>that >>> >>> >>>>government is to be used for is passing out >>>> >>>> >>>WELFARE >>> >>> >>>>checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that >>>> >>>> >>>sits >>> >>> >>>>on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a >>>>worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They >>>> >>>> >>are >> >> >>>not >>> >>> >>>>a productive citizen, they are not helping this >>>>country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to >>>> >>>> >>be >> >> >>>>proud of. >>>> >>>>Anybody that support allowing people to remain >>>> >>>> >>on >> >> >>>>Welfare without a direct course of action to get >>>> >>>> >>>off >>> >>> >>>>Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If >>>> >>>> >>>you >>> >>> >>>>are going to achieve a state of mind where you >>>> >>>> >>>enjoy >>> >>> >>>>life and who you are; You got to get off you >>>> >>>> >>lazy >> >> >>>ass >>> >>> >>>>and go to work and earn your own living. >>>> >>>>I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity >>>> >>>> >>>can >>> >>> >>>>absorb the wealth of information I have provided >>>> >>>> >>>you - >>> >>> >>>>free of charge. I know that you probably expect >>>> >>>> >>a >> >> >>>>Welfare check to come with this information but >>>> >>>> >>at >> >> >>>>least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say >>>>below; I could not resist the >>>>invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always >>>> >>>> >>>try >>> >>> >>>>and help my fellow man!!! >>>>Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>--- Robert Skinner >>>> >>>> >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>Rik Sandberg wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. >>>>>I couldn't resist such an invitation... >>>>>Consider it a way of suggesting silence. >>>>> >>>>>Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get >>>>>out of the way." >>>>> >>>>>As you correctly point out, there is too >>>>>much empty talk about dying for our country >>>>>from those with no flesh on the front lines. >>>>> >>>>>Apologies to those who may be offended by >>>>>such a direct response. >>>>> >>>>>All honor to those who are in harm's way. >>>>> >>>>>/Robert Skinner >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>>>>www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>__________________________________________________ >> >> >>>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >>>> >>>> >>>protection around >>> >>> >>>>http://mail.yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>__________________________________________________ >> >> >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>>> >>>> >>>www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >> >> >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>>> >>>> >>>www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>>www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Discover Yahoo! >>Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and >>more. Check it out! >>http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > From robert at squirrelhaven.com Thu Jun 9 21:26:09 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:26:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For Steve only - long, mild References: <20050609133542.81103.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A8DE20.990C6997@squirrelhaven.com> Steve wrote: > ... your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work... Frankly, I don't know how you arrived at that position. Disagreement with you is not equivalent to lack of interest in the affairs of the world, nor a failure to understand some of them. I doubt if anyone understands all of what is going on. > It is always better to fight a war on some other > Country soil as compared to fighting it on this > country soil. True enough, if a war really needs to be fought, or can be fought. The problem with a "war on terror" is that it is neither a war in any recognized use of the word, nor directed at terror -- rather, it is at best a police action. There is no territory to be won or held -- only thugs to be killed. I'm for killing the thugs, but we have built a "tar baby" by occupying territory. > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. 1. I thought I was "over" the Nam until it rose up like a bloated dead body in the water during the last election. 2. I was in the Marine Corps from 1961 thru 1966. I doubt that I caused the country to screw up that police action. > As for liberals like you who think the one thing that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of... 1. I don't recollect mentioning welfare. 2. I would class many government drones as even less productive specimens of humanity -- they pretend to work, but accomplish only the harassment of their fellow citizens. > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - > free of charge... I disagree with your assessment of its value. Steve, I have a variety of positions on a broad range of topics. In some cases, I take a conservative (in the old pre-Bush meaning of the word), and in others, I take a more humanitarian stance. I feel that state's rights are being eviscerated, along with individual rights. At the same time, I reguard the majority of my fellow Americans as scared sheep, ready to give away freedom to avoid any risk to their person or property, and the politicians are all to eager to exploit that fear. I fear that the sacrifices that my father made to fight for his way of life are being thrown away by a generation of "me-firsters" with little knowledge of history and less interest in the welfare of their grandchildren. Now, Steve, I challange you to be a bit more thick-skinned, and to take a deeper, longer, and more flexible view of USA and world events. Your writing is a caricature of truely conservative positions, more heat than light, and invites derision where reasoned thought is really needed. /Robert From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 9 21:31:42 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:31:53 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Michael about Steve... In-Reply-To: <42A8DA5D.8070501@michaelmeltzer.com> Message-ID: <000301c56d53$c9737f70$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Michael: If you wade thru the post immediately following Steve's outburst, you will notice several of us responded. He even has Todd pissed off. Unfortunately, he only comes on the list mornings and is not around in the evenings. It is a problem. Subject needs to be discussed. Ed K -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of michael meltzer Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:10 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Steve, You went over the line, I really do not have the time for this horse shit. Like you said you are not changing anyone view point, you have nothing to prove here, insulting people for their viewpoint is simply not right. I pretty sure you think is is fun/funny/a good old boys way of having fun, etc..... and people should simply lighten up, bah bah bah. But you know what, it was rude and not the way southern gentleman is pictured. In fact closer to a NYC taxi drive giving someone the finger. SO!!! Cut the shit, Say you are sorry for making it personal, leave the "personal" atccks alone or leavel the complete subject alone if you find your self unable to control your self(it real dose look like you are pissing on your self), I be hostest here, I need the bad vibes to end on the list. -mjm Steve wrote: >And furthermore, when has one liberals viewpoint been >changed on this list. Liberals are not going to >change thier viewpoints. It's not in them to change. >They have been raised that way; more like brainwashed. > These discussion are a waste of time anyway but If I >have to read there liberal crap; then I will throw it >back in thier face. It not like they are going to >listen. Look at how the Democrates are losing every >election. Do they change thier politics, do they >change to how the country majority viewpoint is; NO - >they keep thier Heads buried into the sand and grip >about it. Are they helping this country - No. Are >they assisting in moving this country into the 21 >century - No. Are they helping free Million & Million >of people - No. > >Try and remember that being Conservative does not >necessary mean that you have to get along with the >other side. And the liberals will benefit from the >conservatives movement; we won't benefit any from the >liberals way of thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stand for what >you believe; and if someone is stupid; you are NOT >helping that individual if you pat him on the back & >say poor poor you -mean old conservative. He has to >change or be left behind. You do them no service. >Steve > >--- Steve wrote: > > > >>I don't think so Hank. >>Steve >> >>--- Hank wrote: >> >> >> >>>Marc, >>> >>>I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make >>> >>> >>it >> >> >>>difficult for the >>>rest of us conservatives to change opinions or >>> >>> >>even >> >> >>>get our viewpoint >>>across in a rational, well thought our argument. >>> >>> >>In >> >> >>>a bar, Steve >>>would have gotten a black eye for that. >>> >>>Hank >>> >>> >>> >>>On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Steve- >>>> >>>>I think you are out of line. As has been said >>>> >>>> >>>before, there >>> >>> >>>>is a difference between personally attacking >>>> >>>> >>>someone, and political >>> >>> >>>>debate. >>>>To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone >>>> >>>> >>>stupid too their face >>> >>> >>>>justifies a black eye in return. >>>> >>>>As a conservative, you embarrass me. >>>> >>>>Marc >>>> >>>> From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 21:32:08 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:32:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe Message-ID: Steve, Rest assured you have been granted "special" status. However you are giving "special" needs people a bad name. Wally >From: Steve >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) > >Ed >I never consider myself in special status. But I do >call it like it is!!!!!!!!! If people don't want to >know the facts; they don't have to bring up this >liberal nonsense. I am never the one that starts this >stuff. >Steve > > >--- ed kroposki wrote: > > > Steve, > > Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and > > unnecessary. I > > appreciate that you think you are a long timer with > > special status, but you > > are abusing the list. > > > > Ed K > > Greenville, SC, USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of Steve > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy > > Comment on D-Day > > > > Robert > > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > > understand how the world work only show your lack of > > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to > > go > > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > > country doing; we are going after them. It is > > always > > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing > > to > > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it > > you > > protested that war. This country had the capitality > > to free those people & because of people like you; a > > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > > JUST YOU. > > > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > > that > > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > > sits > > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are > > not > > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > > proud of. > > > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy > > ass > > and go to work and earn your own living. > > > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you > > - > > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > > Welfare check to come with this information but at > > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > > below; I could not resist the > > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > > and help my fellow man!!! > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > > out of the way." > > > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > > such a direct response. > > > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > > > /Robert Skinner > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jsail1 at verizon.net Thu Jun 9 21:33:49 2005 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (Jay Friedland) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:33:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where R22 docs reside In-Reply-To: <000201c56d51$5803a6a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> References: <000201c56d51$5803a6a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Ed- It would be humiliating enough after 4 launches for this spring, to ask when I do my own routine. Also, it's humiliating when I know I've been to the "docs" section before (here goes-Ed, where on www.Rhodes22.org?). Sometimes we just want to refer to the original document for a review of some details lost along the way. I have the embellished and perfected versions that I've handed out. Let's just say it's Stan's humor that makes the original a keeper. J On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:14 PM, ed kroposki wrote: > Jay: > Of all people, you need instructions on mast rising? In addition, > have you of all people looked at the other parts of the > www.Rhodes22.org web > site, like the Doc section (hint)? Moreover, your buddy Bill Effros > has > check lists that he has periodically sent out. Oh were is Bill? > > Todd: > Did you notice that several others of us immediately responded to > the problem today? Shall we vote on kicking him off? I doubt that > would > get his attention, but it is a problem. Any suggestions on how we > should > deal with the situation before he aggravates too many? > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jay Friedland > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:58 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list list > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where R22 docs reside > > Folks- > Just a quick question for the list- Where do the stored copies of R22 > documents reside? Specifically the mast hoist instructions. Thanks. > Jay > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 9 21:36:51 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:37:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jay try this Where R22 docs reside In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c56d54$82008600$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Jay: www.rhodes22.org/doclib/Rhodes22-1988-MastHoist-Raven.pdf Thank Mark, Ed K -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jay Friedland Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:34 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where R22 docs reside Ed- It would be humiliating enough after 4 launches for this spring, to ask when I do my own routine. Also, it's humiliating when I know I've been to the "docs" section before (here goes-Ed, where on www.Rhodes22.org?). Sometimes we just want to refer to the original document for a review of some details lost along the way. I have the embellished and perfected versions that I've handed out. Let's just say it's Stan's humor that makes the original a keeper. J On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:14 PM, ed kroposki wrote: > Jay: > Of all people, you need instructions on mast rising? In addition, > have you of all people looked at the other parts of the > www.Rhodes22.org web > site, like the Doc section (hint)? Moreover, your buddy Bill Effros > has > check lists that he has periodically sent out. Oh were is Bill? > > Todd: > Did you notice that several others of us immediately responded to > the problem today? Shall we vote on kicking him off? I doubt that > would > get his attention, but it is a problem. Any suggestions on how we > should > deal with the situation before he aggravates too many? > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jay Friedland > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:58 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list list > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where R22 docs reside > > Folks- > Just a quick question for the list- Where do the stored copies of R22 > documents reside? Specifically the mast hoist instructions. Thanks. > Jay > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From 3drecon at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 21:36:11 2005 From: 3drecon at comcast.net (Philip Esteban) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:37:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For Robert In-Reply-To: <42A8DE20.990C6997@squirrelhaven.com> Message-ID: <000b01c56d54$66e5e4f0$0f908c41@yourb8ed622a9f> Robert, I seem to agree with your general position but the real reason I am writing is your USMC service. Who were you with? I had a friend, Leonard Rappauano who was with the 3rd Recon Bn 3rdMarDiv at about that time. Philip -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Robert Skinner Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:26 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For Steve only - long, mild Steve wrote: > ... your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work... Frankly, I don't know how you arrived at that position. Disagreement with you is not equivalent to lack of interest in the affairs of the world, nor a failure to understand some of them. I doubt if anyone understands all of what is going on. > It is always better to fight a war on some other > Country soil as compared to fighting it on this > country soil. True enough, if a war really needs to be fought, or can be fought. The problem with a "war on terror" is that it is neither a war in any recognized use of the word, nor directed at terror -- rather, it is at best a police action. There is no territory to be won or held -- only thugs to be killed. I'm for killing the thugs, but we have built a "tar baby" by occupying territory. > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. 1. I thought I was "over" the Nam until it rose up like a bloated dead body in the water during the last election. 2. I was in the Marine Corps from 1961 thru 1966. I doubt that I caused the country to screw up that police action. > As for liberals like you who think the one thing that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of... 1. I don't recollect mentioning welfare. 2. I would class many government drones as even less productive specimens of humanity -- they pretend to work, but accomplish only the harassment of their fellow citizens. > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - > free of charge... I disagree with your assessment of its value. Steve, I have a variety of positions on a broad range of topics. In some cases, I take a conservative (in the old pre-Bush meaning of the word), and in others, I take a more humanitarian stance. I feel that state's rights are being eviscerated, along with individual rights. At the same time, I reguard the majority of my fellow Americans as scared sheep, ready to give away freedom to avoid any risk to their person or property, and the politicians are all to eager to exploit that fear. I fear that the sacrifices that my father made to fight for his way of life are being thrown away by a generation of "me-firsters" with little knowledge of history and less interest in the welfare of their grandchildren. Now, Steve, I challange you to be a bit more thick-skinned, and to take a deeper, longer, and more flexible view of USA and world events. Your writing is a caricature of truely conservative positions, more heat than light, and invites derision where reasoned thought is really needed. /Robert __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jsail1 at verizon.net Thu Jun 9 21:39:51 2005 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (Jay Friedland) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:39:59 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jay try this Where R22 docs reside In-Reply-To: <000401c56d54$82008600$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> References: <000401c56d54$82008600$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <006474a04e6e8aa6eddf20611a1a2093@verizon.net> Thanks, Ed and Mark. On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:36 PM, ed kroposki wrote: > > Jay: > > www.rhodes22.org/doclib/Rhodes22-1988-MastHoist-Raven.pdf > > Thank Mark, > Ed K > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jay Friedland > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:34 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where R22 docs reside > > Ed- > It would be humiliating enough after 4 launches for this spring, to ask > when I do my own routine. Also, it's humiliating when I know I've been > to the "docs" section before (here goes-Ed, where on > www.Rhodes22.org?). > > Sometimes we just want to refer to the original document for a review > of some details lost along the way. I have the embellished and > perfected versions that I've handed out. Let's just say it's Stan's > humor that makes the original a keeper. > > J > > On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:14 PM, ed kroposki wrote: > >> Jay: >> Of all people, you need instructions on mast rising? In addition, >> have you of all people looked at the other parts of the >> www.Rhodes22.org web >> site, like the Doc section (hint)? Moreover, your buddy Bill Effros >> has >> check lists that he has periodically sent out. Oh were is Bill? >> >> Todd: >> Did you notice that several others of us immediately responded to >> the problem today? Shall we vote on kicking him off? I doubt that >> would >> get his attention, but it is a problem. Any suggestions on how we >> should >> deal with the situation before he aggravates too many? >> >> Ed K >> Greenville, SC, USA >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jay Friedland >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:58 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list list >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where R22 docs reside >> >> Folks- >> Just a quick question for the list- Where do the stored copies of R22 >> documents reside? Specifically the mast hoist instructions. Thanks. >> Jay >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Thu Jun 9 21:41:58 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:50:22 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Michael about Steve... In-Reply-To: <000301c56d53$c9737f70$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> References: <000301c56d53$c9737f70$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <42A8E1D6.8060304@michaelmeltzer.com> The problem is he is having a piss ass good time, grrrrrr, Right now every minute is spend of this is entending my bedtime pass mightnight, and work started before 8am and I have not eaten. Like I said Steve I do not need this griff, BTW thank list for some self reguation here and getting on his case, But Steve you see the writing on the wall here... I make it plain, you might be the first member voted off the island... Cut the shit steve.... I am pissed, hungry, got two other things two do and this note alone has taken 20$ out of my pocket................ -mjm ed kroposki wrote: >Michael: > If you wade thru the post immediately following Steve's outburst, >you will notice several of us responded. He even has Todd pissed off. >Unfortunately, he only comes on the list mornings and is not around in the >evenings. > It is a problem. Subject needs to be discussed. > >Ed K > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of michael meltzer >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:10 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > >Steve, You went over the line, I really do not have the time for this >horse shit. Like you said you are not changing anyone view point, you >have nothing to prove here, insulting people for their viewpoint is >simply not right. I pretty sure you think is is fun/funny/a good old >boys way of having fun, etc..... and people should simply lighten up, >bah bah bah. But you know what, it was rude and not the way southern >gentleman is pictured. In fact closer to a NYC taxi drive giving someone >the finger. SO!!! Cut the shit, Say you are sorry for making it >personal, leave the "personal" atccks alone or leavel the complete >subject alone if you find your self unable to control your self(it real >dose look like you are pissing on your self), I be hostest here, I need >the bad vibes to end on the list. -mjm > >Steve wrote: > > > >>And furthermore, when has one liberals viewpoint been >>changed on this list. Liberals are not going to >>change thier viewpoints. It's not in them to change. >>They have been raised that way; more like brainwashed. >>These discussion are a waste of time anyway but If I >>have to read there liberal crap; then I will throw it >>back in thier face. It not like they are going to >>listen. Look at how the Democrates are losing every >>election. Do they change thier politics, do they >>change to how the country majority viewpoint is; NO - >>they keep thier Heads buried into the sand and grip >>about it. Are they helping this country - No. Are >>they assisting in moving this country into the 21 >>century - No. Are they helping free Million & Million >>of people - No. >> >>Try and remember that being Conservative does not >>necessary mean that you have to get along with the >>other side. And the liberals will benefit from the >>conservatives movement; we won't benefit any from the >>liberals way of thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stand for what >>you believe; and if someone is stupid; you are NOT >>helping that individual if you pat him on the back & >>say poor poor you -mean old conservative. He has to >>change or be left behind. You do them no service. >>Steve >> >>--- Steve wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>I don't think so Hank. >>>Steve >>> >>>--- Hank wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Marc, >>>> >>>>I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>it >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>difficult for the >>>>rest of us conservatives to change opinions or >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>even >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>get our viewpoint >>>>across in a rational, well thought our argument. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>In >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>a bar, Steve >>>>would have gotten a black eye for that. >>>> >>>>Hank >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Steve- >>>>> >>>>>I think you are out of line. As has been said >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>before, there >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>is a difference between personally attacking >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>someone, and political >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>debate. >>>>>To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>stupid too their face >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>justifies a black eye in return. >>>>> >>>>>As a conservative, you embarrass me. >>>>> >>>>>Marc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 9 21:57:22 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Thu Jun 9 20:57:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c56d57$5c196e40$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. Joseph __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 9 22:15:16 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 9 21:15:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where R22 docs reside In-Reply-To: <000201c56d51$5803a6a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> References: <000201c56d51$5803a6a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <42A8E9A4.9010608@effros.com> Ed, I certainly noticed that you responded immediately to the problem today, and I really did appreciate it. Thank you. In my view, that is all that is really needed. Up north, when we get our boats on the water, we spend less time on the list. I've been launching and sailing. Jay, Slim has posted an outline mast raising checklist, and I have posted a more detailed checklist. My mast lowering checklist is pretty good, but I'm just now revising my mast raising checklist. (Running the one you have backwards doesn't work--something will fall on you before you get to the "be sure not to ... " instruction.) Do you need raising or lowering? Toward the bow or toward the stern? Bill Effros ed kroposki wrote: >Jay: > Of all people, you need instructions on mast rising? In addition, >have you of all people looked at the other parts of the www.Rhodes22.org web >site, like the Doc section (hint)? Moreover, your buddy Bill Effros has >check lists that he has periodically sent out. Oh were is Bill? > >Todd: > Did you notice that several others of us immediately responded to >the problem today? Shall we vote on kicking him off? I doubt that would >get his attention, but it is a problem. Any suggestions on how we should >deal with the situation before he aggravates too many? > >Ed K >Greenville, SC, USA > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jay Friedland >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:58 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list list >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where R22 docs reside > >Folks- >Just a quick question for the list- Where do the stored copies of R22 >documents reside? Specifically the mast hoist instructions. Thanks. >Jay > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From joscook at msn.com Thu Jun 9 23:32:03 2005 From: joscook at msn.com (J Cook) Date: Thu Jun 9 22:32:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c56d57$5c196e40$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as much during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out in the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this year. We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's a full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Quinn To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. Joseph __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From anima13 at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 9 23:35:16 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Thu Jun 9 23:37:35 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop here and say the sailing is better here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of J Cook Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as much during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out in the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this year. We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's a full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Quinn To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. Joseph __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 21:49:30 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 9 23:49:35 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050610034930.13624.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wally, First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' Ford? You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying that in this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be a nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if not something bigger down the road. Bad timing for him. His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail for being a crook, but for the race card which will surely be played, just like it was for Harold, Senior. I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his secure congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's his life. The only Republican announced against him is that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long row to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but we'll see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" between your political beliefs and reality. Brad --- Wally Buck wrote: > Brad, > > My nephew emails me every month or so with updates > from Iraq. It does seem > we are making progress. In the end history will be > the judge. > > How about your boy Ford. It sure doesn't take much > to buy a TN politician. > :-0 > > Wally > > >From: brad haslett > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on > WMD > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Wally, > > > >Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a > >helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had a > >jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who was > >meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" with > our > >chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot > job > >interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his > friend > >who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had been > >activated. She was home on medical leave because > of a > >broken foot (not combat related). > > > >Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive > progress > >is being made that isn't being reported by the MSM. > >The military is putting a great deal of efforts > >turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, soccer > >fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were > happy > >we were there and more than happy that Saddam is > gone, > >but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of > >oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the > bad > >guys are difficult to identify because people are > >scared to turn them in, not that the average Iraqi > >supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the cops > if > >we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal > >activity. There, they and their family are killed > if > >they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's > but > >jihadists from other countries. It will continue > to > >be a problem for some time. She felt good about > her > >duty there and supported the war but expressed that > >morale was fading amongst the troops because of the > >long and extended deployments. I asked her > >specifically what her take was on WMD and she gave > me > >this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you > ever > >made a decision in the jet based on the information > >you had at the time and realized later there were > >other options? Bush made a decision on the intel he > >was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". > For > >the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her > service > >and thought she and her unit were having a positive > >impact. > > > >Some people don't support the war because they just > >don't like war. Who does? Most of the > non-supporters > >just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this > thing > >and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi > >people for us to abandon them at this point. We > did > >that once. We've had a huge military presence in > the > >Middle East and Europe for a long time and now > those > >assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a > lameduck > >now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just > as I > >have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. > No > >matter who the next President is (my current money > is > >on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. > > > >Brad > > > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > Thanks for changing the sugject line but my post > was > > > not about "WMDs". > > > Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is > not > > > Iraq". > > > > > > The funny thing is I have never questioned that > Iraq > > > had "WMDs". I have > > > questioned what level of threat Iraq was to our > > > National Security and our > > > motives for attacking when we did. This is very > hard > > > for many to understand. > > > > > > You are correct that the nukes were not in Cuba. > I > > > apologize for the error. > > > The USSR was building the missle pads and > facilities > > > to store and launch > > > Russian nukes in Cuba. The Soviets also had > bombers > > > based in Cuba. There was > > > a real threat to our National Security. Also > note > > > that this was settled with > > > out a war. This was my point. Not much to > compare > > > with Iraq. > > > > > > I do understand that WMDs involve gas, > biological, > > > and other means. I am > > > quite sure that stuff is missing as you say. > This > > > problem is not limited to > > > Iraq. Again this was not the point of my post. > The > > > situation in Cuba then > > > and Iraq now is quite different. To say > differently > > > is to ignore history. > > > > > > Wally > > > > > > > > > >From: "ed kroposki" > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > > > > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD > > > >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:18:21 -0400 > > > > > > > >Wally, > > > > WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, > > > such as gas, bio, et > > > >al. The issue was preventing them getting > nuc's, > > > not that they already had > > > >them. The same issue now next door in Iran. > > > Furthermore, nuclear is not > > > >limited to bomb explosives but also bomb > results, > > > ie, dirty explosives that > > > >contaminate. > > > > There was a complaint issued by the U.N. > > > inspectors recently about > > > >missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone > missing > > > since the start of the > > > >war. If there was not problem, why are the > U.N. > > > inspectors complaining > > > >about missing nuclear stuff now? > > > > I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, > but > > > your last comment > > > >was not accurate. Humpf. > > > > > > > >Ed K > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf Of Wally Buck > > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM > > > >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > D-Day > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 22:03:45 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri Jun 10 00:03:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050610040345.81572.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wally You know what I think of you!!!!!!!!! Steve --- Wally Buck wrote: > Steve, > > Rest assured you have been granted "special" status. > However you are giving > "special" needs people a bad name. > > Wally > >From: Steve > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only > ***Steve's diatribe > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Ed > >I never consider myself in special status. But I > do > >call it like it is!!!!!!!!! If people don't want > to > >know the facts; they don't have to bring up this > >liberal nonsense. I am never the one that starts > this > >stuff. > >Steve > > > > > >--- ed kroposki wrote: > > > > > Steve, > > > Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved > and > > > unnecessary. I > > > appreciate that you think you are a long timer > with > > > special status, but you > > > are abusing the list. > > > > > > Ed K > > > Greenville, SC, USA > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf Of Steve > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] > Sappy > > > Comment on D-Day > > > > > > Robert > > > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > > > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > > > > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. > Yes I > > > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said > on > > > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > > > understand how the world work only show your > lack of > > > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT > help > > > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason > to > > > go > > > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > > > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > > > country doing; we are going after them. It is > > > always > > > better to fight a war on some other Country soil > as > > > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > > > > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like > you > > > caused this country to lose a War. That is > nothing > > > to > > > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself > it > > > you > > > protested that war. This country had the > capitality > > > to free those people & because of people like > you; a > > > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > > > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as > some > > > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; > NOT > > > JUST YOU. > > > > > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > > > that > > > government is to be used for is passing out > WELFARE > > > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > > > sits > > > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > > > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They > are > > > not > > > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > > > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to > be > > > proud of. > > > > > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain > on > > > Welfare without a direct course of action to get > off > > > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If > you > > > are going to achieve a state of mind where you > enjoy > > > life and who you are; You got to get off you > lazy > > > ass > > > and go to work and earn your own living. > > > > > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity > can > > > absorb the wealth of information I have provided > you > > > - > > > free of charge. I know that you probably expect > a > > > Welfare check to come with this information but > at > > > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > > > below; I could not resist the > > > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always > try > > > and help my fellow man!!! > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Robert Skinner > wrote: > > > > > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > > > out of the way." > > > > > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > > > such a direct response. > > > > > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > > > > > /Robert Skinner > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 22:09:02 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri Jun 10 00:09:06 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Michael about Steve... In-Reply-To: <000301c56d53$c9737f70$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <20050610040902.38357.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ed Is this list nothing more than a Liberal talk show!!! I have seen it all now on this list. Michael, you need to change Stan Web Site to the LIBERAL SAILBOAT. It is a dis-service to the general public to not disclosed such libeal crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Steve --- ed kroposki wrote: > Michael: > If you wade thru the post immediately following > Steve's outburst, > you will notice several of us responded. He even > has Todd pissed off. > Unfortunately, he only comes on the list mornings > and is not around in the > evenings. > It is a problem. Subject needs to be discussed. > > Ed K > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of michael meltzer > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:10 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] > Sappy Comment on D-Day > > Steve, You went over the line, I really do not have > the time for this > horse shit. Like you said you are not changing > anyone view point, you > have nothing to prove here, insulting people for > their viewpoint is > simply not right. I pretty sure you think is is > fun/funny/a good old > boys way of having fun, etc..... and people should > simply lighten up, > bah bah bah. But you know what, it was rude and not > the way southern > gentleman is pictured. In fact closer to a NYC taxi > drive giving someone > the finger. SO!!! Cut the shit, Say you are sorry > for making it > personal, leave the "personal" atccks alone or > leavel the complete > subject alone if you find your self unable to > control your self(it real > dose look like you are pissing on your self), I be > hostest here, I need > the bad vibes to end on the list. -mjm > > Steve wrote: > > >And furthermore, when has one liberals viewpoint > been > >changed on this list. Liberals are not going to > >change thier viewpoints. It's not in them to > change. > >They have been raised that way; more like > brainwashed. > > These discussion are a waste of time anyway but If > I > >have to read there liberal crap; then I will throw > it > >back in thier face. It not like they are going to > >listen. Look at how the Democrates are losing > every > >election. Do they change thier politics, do they > >change to how the country majority viewpoint is; NO > - > >they keep thier Heads buried into the sand and grip > >about it. Are they helping this country - No. Are > >they assisting in moving this country into the 21 > >century - No. Are they helping free Million & > Million > >of people - No. > > > >Try and remember that being Conservative does not > >necessary mean that you have to get along with the > >other side. And the liberals will benefit from the > >conservatives movement; we won't benefit any from > the > >liberals way of thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stand for > what > >you believe; and if someone is stupid; you are NOT > >helping that individual if you pat him on the back > & > >say poor poor you -mean old conservative. He has > to > >change or be left behind. You do them no service. > >Steve > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > > > > > >>I don't think so Hank. > >>Steve > >> > >>--- Hank wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Marc, > >>> > >>>I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make > >>> > >>> > >>it > >> > >> > >>>difficult for the > >>>rest of us conservatives to change opinions or > >>> > >>> > >>even > >> > >> > >>>get our viewpoint > >>>across in a rational, well thought our argument. > >>> > >>> > >>In > >> > >> > >>>a bar, Steve > >>>would have gotten a black eye for that. > >>> > >>>Hank > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger > > >>>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Steve- > >>>> > >>>>I think you are out of line. As has been said > >>>> > >>>> > >>>before, there > >>> > >>> > >>>>is a difference between personally attacking > >>>> > >>>> > >>>someone, and political > >>> > >>> > >>>>debate. > >>>>To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone > >>>> > >>>> > >>>stupid too their face > >>> > >>> > >>>>justifies a black eye in return. > >>>> > >>>>As a conservative, you embarrass me. > >>>> > >>>>Marc > >>>> > >>>> > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 22:09:32 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 10 00:09:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political - The war on Terrorism In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050610040932.97528.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Slim, You have a valid point - "They're not nearly that well organized." Have you been to the airport lately? You could just as easily be talking about the TSA. You don't trust W? I feel your pain. I felt the same way about Willy but was mostly worried about my sister. Come to think of it though, she's about the his age and not Slick's type. Lets hope you're right and I'm wrong. My gut tells me we haven't seen the last of the bad guys on our soil. Brad --- Slim wrote: > Hank and Brad, > > Although the article makes a few good points, > wishing that all Americans > unite is nothing but that--a wish. It'll never > happen. We're too diverse > in our cultures, religions, languages, races, > incomes, ideologies, etc. to > ever speak as one. But isn't that one of the best > things about the US? > Dissent is healthy. > > I'll never jump on W's bandwagon no matter how much > fear-mongering rhetoric > is thrown at me. Simply put, I just don't trust > him. Nor do I think that > unless we all join together, the country will > implode and the terrorists > win. That's giving them too much credit. They're > not nearly that well > organized. W would like us to believe that our > nation, and even Freedom > itself is in grave danger. I don't buy it. > Consider the stability, > economy, resources, and might of this country > compared to that of the > terrorists. They don't even have a country, much > less a mighty one. > > Slim > > > On 6/9/05 10:40 AM, "Hank" wrote: > > > The below essay is, unfortunately, not > attributed. I believe it > > presents a very succinct argument for the war on > terrorism and > > accurately portrays the predicament the US is in. > It does not assign > > blame to liberals or conservatives and, I do not > believe it is biased > > in either direction. I think it is very good food > for thought. Let > > the discussion begin! > > > > Hank > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > > > To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go > through it. Our > > country is now facing the most serious threat to > its existence, as we > > know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and > mine (which includes > > WWII! ). > > > > The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by > the fact that there > > are very few of us who think we can possibly lose > this war and even > > fewer who realize what losing really means. > > > > First, let's examine a few basics: > > > > 1. When did the threat to us start? > > > > Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as > far as the United > > States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to > September 2001, with > > the following attacks on us: > > Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; > > Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983; > > Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; > > Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York > 1988; > > Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Kh! obar Towers Military > complex 1996; > > Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 19 98; > > Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; > > Pentagon 2001. > > > > (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 > there were 7,581 > > terrorist attacks worldwide). > > > > 2. Why were we attacked? > > > > Envy of our position, our success, and our > freedoms. The attacks > > happened during the administrations of Presidents > Carter, Reagan, Bush > > 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the > Republicans or > > Democrats as there were no provocation's by any of > the presidents or > > their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or > Carter. > > > > 3. Who were the attackers? > > > > In each case, the attacks on the US were carried > out by Muslims. > > > > 4. What is the Muslim population of the World? > 25% > > > > 5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful? > > > > Hopefully, but that is really not material. There > is no doubt that the > > predominately Christian population of Germany was > peaceful, but under > > the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also > Christian), that > > made no difference. You either went along with the > administration or > > you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million > Christians killed by > > the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 > Polish priests). (see > > http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm). > > > > Thus, almost the same number of Christians were > killed by the Nazis, > > as the 6 million holocaust Jews who were killed by > them, and we seldom > > heard of anything other than the Jewish > atrocities. Although Hitler > > kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no > hesitancy about killing > > anyone who got in his way of exterminating the > Jews or of taking over > > the world - German, Christian or any others. > > > > Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the > world on the US, but > > kill all in the way -- their own people or the > Spanish, French or > > anyone else. The point here is that just like the > peaceful Germans > > were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no > matter how many > > peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no > protection for us from the > > terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are > fanatically bent on doing > > -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of > us "infidels." I > > don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you > do if the choice was > > shut up or die? > > > > 6. So who are we at war with? > > > > There is no way we can honestly respond that it is > anyone other than > > the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically > correct and avoid > > verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. > There is no way to win > > if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who > you are fighting. > > > > So with that background, now to the two major > questions: > > > > 1. Can we lose this war? > > > > 2. What does losing really mean? > > > > If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two > pivotal questions. > > > > We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous > as it may sound, the > > major reason we can lose is that so many of us > simply do not fathom > > the answer to the second question - What does > losing mean? > > > > It would appear that a great many of us think that > losing the war > > means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home > and going on about > > our business, like post Vietnam. This is as far > from the truth as one > > can get. What losing really means is: > > > > We would no longer be the premier country in the > world. The attacks > > will not subside, but rather will steadily > increase. Remember, they > > want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just > wanted us quiet, they > > would not have produced an increasing series of > attacks against us, > > over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly, for > terrorist === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 22:10:09 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri Jun 10 00:10:13 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For Steve only - long, mild In-Reply-To: <42A8DE20.990C6997@squirrelhaven.com> Message-ID: <20050610041009.10255.qmail@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert I thought we settle on the fact that you are stupid!!!!!!!!!! What else do you & I need to talk about. Steve --- Robert Skinner wrote: > Steve wrote: > > ... your unwillingness to even try and > > understand how the world work... > > Frankly, I don't know how you arrived at > that position. Disagreement with you is > not equivalent to lack of interest in the > affairs of the world, nor a failure to > understand some of them. I doubt if > anyone understands all of what is going > on. > > > It is always better to fight a war on some other > > Country soil as compared to fighting it on this > > country soil. > > True enough, if a war really needs to be fought, or > can be fought. The problem with a "war on terror" > is that it is neither a war in any recognized use > of the word, nor directed at terror -- rather, it > is at best a police action. There is no territory > to be won or held -- only thugs to be killed. I'm > for killing the thugs, but we have built a "tar > baby" by occupying territory. > > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like > you > > caused this country to lose a War. > > 1. I thought I was "over" the Nam until it rose up > like a bloated dead body in the water during the > last > election. > > 2. I was in the Marine Corps from 1961 thru 1966. > I doubt that I caused the country to screw up that > police action. > > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > that > > government is to be used for is passing out > WELFARE > > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > sits > > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are > not > > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > > proud of... > > 1. I don't recollect mentioning welfare. > > 2. I would class many government drones as even > less > productive specimens of humanity -- they pretend to > work, > but accomplish only the harassment of their fellow > citizens. > > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity > can > > absorb the wealth of information I have provided > you - > > free of charge... > > I disagree with your assessment of its value. > > Steve, I have a variety of positions on a broad > range > of topics. In some cases, I take a conservative (in > the > old pre-Bush meaning of the word), and in others, I > take > a more humanitarian stance. > > I feel that state's rights are being eviscerated, > along > with individual rights. At the same time, I reguard > the > majority of my fellow Americans as scared sheep, > ready > to give away freedom to avoid any risk to their > person > or property, and the politicians are all to eager to > > exploit that fear. > > I fear that the sacrifices that my father made to > fight > for his way of life are being thrown away by a > generation > of "me-firsters" with little knowledge of history > and > less interest in the welfare of their grandchildren. > > Now, Steve, I challange you to be a bit more > thick-skinned, > and to take a deeper, longer, and more flexible view > of USA > and world events. > > Your writing is a caricature of truely conservative > positions, more heat than light, and invites > derision > where reasoned thought is really needed. > > /Robert > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 22:11:46 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri Jun 10 00:11:48 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <42A8DA5D.8070501@michaelmeltzer.com> Message-ID: <20050610041146.83866.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Michael I don't have the time for thie Bull Shit either. You need to update the web site if this is nothing but a bunch of Liberals crying. Steve --- michael meltzer wrote: > Steve, You went over the line, I really do not have > the time for this > horse shit. Like you said you are not changing > anyone view point, you > have nothing to prove here, insulting people for > their viewpoint is > simply not right. I pretty sure you think is is > fun/funny/a good old > boys way of having fun, etc..... and people should > simply lighten up, > bah bah bah. But you know what, it was rude and not > the way southern > gentleman is pictured. In fact closer to a NYC taxi > drive giving someone > the finger. SO!!! Cut the shit, Say you are sorry > for making it > personal, leave the "personal" atccks alone or > leavel the complete > subject alone if you find your self unable to > control your self(it real > dose look like you are pissing on your self), I be > hostest here, I need > the bad vibes to end on the list. -mjm > > Steve wrote: > > >And furthermore, when has one liberals viewpoint > been > >changed on this list. Liberals are not going to > >change thier viewpoints. It's not in them to > change. > >They have been raised that way; more like > brainwashed. > > These discussion are a waste of time anyway but If > I > >have to read there liberal crap; then I will throw > it > >back in thier face. It not like they are going to > >listen. Look at how the Democrates are losing > every > >election. Do they change thier politics, do they > >change to how the country majority viewpoint is; NO > - > >they keep thier Heads buried into the sand and grip > >about it. Are they helping this country - No. Are > >they assisting in moving this country into the 21 > >century - No. Are they helping free Million & > Million > >of people - No. > > > >Try and remember that being Conservative does not > >necessary mean that you have to get along with the > >other side. And the liberals will benefit from the > >conservatives movement; we won't benefit any from > the > >liberals way of thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stand for > what > >you believe; and if someone is stupid; you are NOT > >helping that individual if you pat him on the back > & > >say poor poor you -mean old conservative. He has > to > >change or be left behind. You do them no service. > >Steve > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > > > > > >>I don't think so Hank. > >>Steve > >> > >>--- Hank wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Marc, > >>> > >>>I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make > >>> > >>> > >>it > >> > >> > >>>difficult for the > >>>rest of us conservatives to change opinions or > >>> > >>> > >>even > >> > >> > >>>get our viewpoint > >>>across in a rational, well thought our argument. > >>> > >>> > >>In > >> > >> > >>>a bar, Steve > >>>would have gotten a black eye for that. > >>> > >>>Hank > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger > > >>>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Steve- > >>>> > >>>>I think you are out of line. As has been said > >>>> > >>>> > >>>before, there > >>> > >>> > >>>>is a difference between personally attacking > >>>> > >>>> > >>>someone, and political > >>> > >>> > >>>>debate. > >>>>To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone > >>>> > >>>> > >>>stupid too their face > >>> > >>> > >>>>justifies a black eye in return. > >>>> > >>>>As a conservative, you embarrass me. > >>>> > >>>>Marc > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Behalf Of Steve > >>> > >>> > >>>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >>>>Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] > >>>> > >>>> > >>Sappy > >> > >> > >>>Comment on D-Day > >>> > >>> > >>>>Robert > >>>>Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > >>>>Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > >>>> > >>>>Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. > >>>> > >>>> > >>Yes > >> > >> > >>>I > >>> > >>> > >>>>said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said > >>>> > >>>> > >>>on > >>> > >>> > >>>>this list; your unwillingness to even try and > >>>>understand how the world work only show your > >>>> > >>>> > >>lack > >> > >> > >>>of > >>> > >>> > >>>>brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT > >>>> > >>>> > >>>help > >>> > >>> > >>>>themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason > >>>> > >>>> > >>to > >> > >> > >>>go > >>> > >>> > >>>>to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > >>>>Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > >>>>country doing; we are going after them. It is > >>>> > >>>> > >>>always > >>> > >>> > >>>>better to fight a war on some other Country soil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>as > >>> > >>> > >>>>compared to fighting it on this country soil. > >>>> > >>>>You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like > >>>> > >>>> > >>>you > >>> > >>> > >>>>caused this country to lose a War. That is > >>>> > >>>> > >>>nothing to > >>> > >>> > >>>>be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself > >>>> > >>>> > >>it > >> > >> > >>>you > >>> > >>> > >>>>protested that war. This country had the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>capitality > >>> > >>> > >>>>to free those people & because of people like > >>>> > >>>> > >>you; > >> > >> > >>>a > >>> > >>> > >>>>lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > >>>>without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as > >>>> > >>>> > >>>some > >>> > >>> > >>>>elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; > >>>> > >>>> > >>NOT > >> > >> > >>>>JUST YOU. > >>>> > >>>>As for liberals like you who think the one thing > >>>> > >>>> > >>>that > >>> > >>> > >>>>government is to be used for is passing out > >>>> > >>>> > >>>WELFARE > >>> > >>> > >>>>checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > >>>> > >>>> > >>>sits > >>> > >>> > >>>>on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > >>>>worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They > >>>> > >>>> > >>are > >> > >> > >>>not > >>> > >>> > >>>>a productive citizen, they are not helping this > >>>>country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to > >>>> > >>>> > >>be > >> > >> > >>>>proud of. > >>>> > >>>>Anybody that support allowing people to remain > >>>> > >>>> > >>on > >> > >> > >>>>Welfare without a direct course of action to get > >>>> > >>>> > >>>off > >>> > >>> > >>>>Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If > >>>> > >>>> > >>>you > >>> > >>> > >>>>are going to achieve a state of mind where you > >>>> > >>>> > >>>enjoy > >>> > >>> > >>>>life and who you are; You got to get off you > >>>> > >>>> > >>lazy > >> > >> > >>>ass > >>> > >>> > >>>>and go to work and earn your own living. > >>>> > >>>>I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity > >>>> > >>>> > >>>can > >>> > >>> > >>>>absorb the wealth of information I have provided > >>>> > >>>> > >>>you - > >>> > >>> > >>>>free of charge. I know that you probably expect > >>>> > >>>> > >>a > >> > >> > >>>>Welfare check to come with this information but > >>>> > >>>> > >>at > >> > >> > >>>>least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > >>>>below; I could not resist the > >>>>invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always > >>>> > >>>> > >>>try > >>> > >>> > >>>>and help my fellow man!!! > >>>>Steve > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>--- Robert Skinner > >>>> > >>>> > >>>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Rik Sandberg wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > >>>>>I couldn't resist such an invitation... > >>>>>Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > >>>>> > >>>>>Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > >>>>>out of the way." > >>>>> > >>>>>As you correctly point out, there is too > >>>>>much empty talk about dying for our country > >>>>>from those with no flesh on the front lines. > >>>>> > >>>>>Apologies to those who may be offended by > >>>>>such a direct response. > >>>>> > >>>>>All honor to those who are in harm's way. > >>>>> > >>>>>/Robert Skinner > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>__________________________________________________ > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > >>>>>www.rhodes22.org/list > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>__________________________________________________ > >> > >> > >>>>Do You Yahoo!? > >>>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Check it out! > >>http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > >>www.rhodes22.org/list > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 22:24:50 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 10 00:24:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steve - This Bud's For You! Message-ID: <20050610042451.53742.qmail@web32902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve, Like MJM, I don't have time for this shit. This list gets edgy, angry, and coarse. However, even when Bill Effros and I go at each other's throats we exercise some civility. Go read "How To Win Friends and Influence People." Just consider this a friendly suggestion from one Little Rock boy (UALR 82') to another. Lighten up! Brad __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From lcrowther at cox.net Fri Jun 10 01:34:20 2005 From: lcrowther at cox.net (Lloyd Crowther) Date: Fri Jun 10 00:34:34 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Michael about Steve... References: <000301c56d53$c9737f70$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> <42A8E1D6.8060304@michaelmeltzer.com> Message-ID: <00a301c56d75$abb16ca0$1402a8c0@lloydpc> Off with his head, Michael. Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael meltzer" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Michael about Steve... > The problem is he is having a piss ass good time, grrrrrr, Right now every > minute is spend of this is entending my bedtime pass mightnight, and work > started before 8am and I have not eaten. Like I said Steve I do not need > this griff, BTW thank list for some self reguation here and getting on his > case, But Steve you see the writing on the wall here... I make it plain, > you might be the first member voted off the island... Cut the shit > steve.... I am pissed, hungry, got two other things two do and this note > alone has taken 20$ out of my pocket................ > -mjm > > > > ed kroposki wrote: > >>Michael: >> If you wade thru the post immediately following Steve's outburst, >>you will notice several of us responded. He even has Todd pissed off. >>Unfortunately, he only comes on the list mornings and is not around in the >>evenings. It is a problem. Subject needs to be discussed. >>Ed K >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of michael meltzer >>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:10 PM >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>Subject: Re: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day >> >>Steve, You went over the line, I really do not have the time for this >>horse shit. Like you said you are not changing anyone view point, you >>have nothing to prove here, insulting people for their viewpoint is simply >>not right. I pretty sure you think is is fun/funny/a good old boys way of >>having fun, etc..... and people should simply lighten up, bah bah bah. But >>you know what, it was rude and not the way southern gentleman is pictured. >>In fact closer to a NYC taxi drive giving someone the finger. SO!!! Cut >>the shit, Say you are sorry for making it personal, leave the "personal" >>atccks alone or leavel the complete subject alone if you find your self >>unable to control your self(it real dose look like you are pissing on your >>self), I be hostest here, I need the bad vibes to end on the list. -mjm >> >>Steve wrote: >> >> >>>And furthermore, when has one liberals viewpoint been >>>changed on this list. Liberals are not going to >>>change thier viewpoints. It's not in them to change. They have been >>>raised that way; more like brainwashed. >>>These discussion are a waste of time anyway but If I >>>have to read there liberal crap; then I will throw it >>>back in thier face. It not like they are going to >>>listen. Look at how the Democrates are losing every >>>election. Do they change thier politics, do they >>>change to how the country majority viewpoint is; NO - >>>they keep thier Heads buried into the sand and grip >>>about it. Are they helping this country - No. Are >>>they assisting in moving this country into the 21 >>>century - No. Are they helping free Million & Million >>>of people - No. >>>Try and remember that being Conservative does not >>>necessary mean that you have to get along with the >>>other side. And the liberals will benefit from the >>>conservatives movement; we won't benefit any from the >>>liberals way of thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stand for what >>>you believe; and if someone is stupid; you are NOT >>>helping that individual if you pat him on the back & >>>say poor poor you -mean old conservative. He has to >>>change or be left behind. You do them no service. >>>Steve >>> >>>--- Steve wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I don't think so Hank. Steve >>>> >>>>--- Hank wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Marc, >>>>> >>>>>I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make >>>>> >>>>> >>>>it >>>> >>>> >>>>>difficult for the >>>>>rest of us conservatives to change opinions or >>>>> >>>>> >>>>even >>>> >>>> >>>>>get our viewpoint >>>>>across in a rational, well thought our argument. >>>>> >>>>In >>>> >>>> >>>>>a bar, Steve >>>>>would have gotten a black eye for that. >>>>> >>>>>Hank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Steve- >>>>>> >>>>>>I think you are out of line. As has been said >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>before, there >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>is a difference between personally attacking >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>someone, and political >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>debate. >>>>>>To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>stupid too their face >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>justifies a black eye in return. >>>>>> >>>>>>As a conservative, you embarrass me. >>>>>> >>>>>>Marc >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Fri Jun 10 02:36:51 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Fri Jun 10 01:45:15 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <20050610041146.83866.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050610041146.83866.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A926F3.5020806@michaelmeltzer.com> steve I am still up and working so I am in a bad mood, I will not ask again, cut it out, thier is not an ounce of joking in this -mjm Steve wrote: >Michael >I don't have the time for thie Bull Shit either. You >need to update the web site if this is nothing but a >bunch of Liberals crying. >Steve > >--- michael meltzer wrote: > > > >>Steve, You went over the line, I really do not have >>the time for this >>horse shit. Like you said you are not changing >>anyone view point, you >>have nothing to prove here, insulting people for >>their viewpoint is >>simply not right. I pretty sure you think is is >>fun/funny/a good old >>boys way of having fun, etc..... and people should >>simply lighten up, >>bah bah bah. But you know what, it was rude and not >>the way southern >>gentleman is pictured. In fact closer to a NYC taxi >>drive giving someone >>the finger. SO!!! Cut the shit, Say you are sorry >>for making it >>personal, leave the "personal" atccks alone or >>leavel the complete >>subject alone if you find your self unable to >>control your self(it real >>dose look like you are pissing on your self), I be >>hostest here, I need >>the bad vibes to end on the list. -mjm >> >>Steve wrote: >> >> >> >>>And furthermore, when has one liberals viewpoint >>> >>> >>been >> >> >>>changed on this list. Liberals are not going to >>>change thier viewpoints. It's not in them to >>> >>> >>change. >> >> >>>They have been raised that way; more like >>> >>> >>brainwashed. >> >> >>>These discussion are a waste of time anyway but If >>> >>> >>I >> >> >>>have to read there liberal crap; then I will throw >>> >>> >>it >> >> >>>back in thier face. It not like they are going to >>>listen. Look at how the Democrates are losing >>> >>> >>every >> >> >>>election. Do they change thier politics, do they >>>change to how the country majority viewpoint is; NO >>> >>> >>- >> >> >>>they keep thier Heads buried into the sand and grip >>>about it. Are they helping this country - No. Are >>>they assisting in moving this country into the 21 >>>century - No. Are they helping free Million & >>> >>> >>Million >> >> >>>of people - No. >>> >>>Try and remember that being Conservative does not >>>necessary mean that you have to get along with the >>>other side. And the liberals will benefit from the >>>conservatives movement; we won't benefit any from >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>liberals way of thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stand for >>> >>> >>what >> >> >>>you believe; and if someone is stupid; you are NOT >>>helping that individual if you pat him on the back >>> >>> >>& >> >> >>>say poor poor you -mean old conservative. He has >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>change or be left behind. You do them no service. >>>Steve >>> >>>--- Steve wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I don't think so Hank. >>>>Steve >>>> >>>>--- Hank wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Marc, >>>>> >>>>>I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>it >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>difficult for the >>>>>rest of us conservatives to change opinions or >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>even >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>get our viewpoint >>>>>across in a rational, well thought our argument. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>In >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>a bar, Steve >>>>>would have gotten a black eye for that. >>>>> >>>>>Hank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger >>>>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Steve- >>>>>> >>>>>>I think you are out of line. As has been said >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>before, there >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>is a difference between personally attacking >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>someone, and political >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>debate. >>>>>>To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>stupid too their face >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>justifies a black eye in return. >>>>>> >>>>>>As a conservative, you embarrass me. >>>>>> >>>>>>Marc >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Behalf Of Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM >>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>>>Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>Sappy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Comment on D-Day >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Robert >>>>>>Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly >>>>>>Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. >>>>>> >>>>>>Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>Yes >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>on >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>this list; your unwillingness to even try and >>>>>>understand how the world work only show your >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>lack >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>of >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>help >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>go >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. >>>>>>Liberal central for you liberals & what is this >>>>>>country doing; we are going after them. It is >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>always >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>better to fight a war on some other Country soil >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>as >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>compared to fighting it on this country soil. >>>>>> >>>>>>You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>caused this country to lose a War. That is >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>nothing to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>it >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>protested that war. This country had the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>capitality >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>to free those people & because of people like >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>you; >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>lot of vietamise people continue to have to live >>>>>>without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>some >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>NOT >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>JUST YOU. >>>>>> >>>>>>As for liberals like you who think the one thing >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>that >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>government is to be used for is passing out >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>WELFARE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>sits >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a >>>>>>worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>are >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>not >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>a productive citizen, they are not helping this >>>>>>country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>be >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>proud of. >>>>>> >>>>>>Anybody that support allowing people to remain >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>on >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Welfare without a direct course of action to get >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>off >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>are going to achieve a state of mind where you >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>enjoy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>life and who you are; You got to get off you >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>lazy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>ass >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>and go to work and earn your own living. >>>>>> >>>>>>I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>can >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>absorb the wealth of information I have provided >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>you - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>free of charge. I know that you probably expect >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Welfare check to come with this information but >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>at >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say >>>>>>below; I could not resist the >>>>>>invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>try >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>and help my fellow man!!! >>>>>>Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--- Robert Skinner >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Rik Sandberg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Agreed. 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Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Fri Jun 10 02:51:00 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Fri Jun 10 01:59:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rhodes2282@yahoo.com has been removed from Rhodes22-list. Message-ID: <42A92A44.4050701@michaelmeltzer.com> this is steves current account, he did it himself at 12:17 -mjm From salm at mn.rr.com Fri Jun 10 04:10:27 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Fri Jun 10 04:10:34 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering The Mast To The Stern In-Reply-To: <795453db9bbc1b3291a4b03c045a50d9@verizon.net> Message-ID: LOWERING THE MAST TO THE STERN: WARNING: Never let anyone stand under the mast while lowering 1. Disconnect the back stay tensioning line 2. Disconnect the boom from the traveler 3. Remove the traveler bar 4. Hoist the boom up with the topping lift and cleat it off on the mast 5. Disconnect the pop top slider and close the hatch 6. Disconnect the radio and steaming light 7. Wrap up jib sheets and jib reefing line 8. Disconnect forward lower shrouds and add extensions 9. Loosen all other shroud turnbuckles 10. Deploy and secure mast crutch 11. Deploy and secure hoist crane to cabin top block 12. Attach aft lower shrouds to crane 12a Alternate: Attach line from crane to mast bail if you're thus equipped 13. Tie hoist winch line to bow cleat with a bowline 14. Snug the hoist to slack the bow stay 15. Disconnect bow stay 16. Crank the hoist "down" giving the mast a little shove to get it started 17. Check the shroud extensions as you lower to avoid entanglement. 18. Tend the jib as you lower 19. Lower the mast to the crutch 20. Disconnect mast from tabernacle 21. walk mast, boom and jib forward and secure the whole bundle on the bow pulpit. On 6/9/05 6:57 PM, "Jay Friedland" wrote: > Folks- > Just a quick question for the list- Where do the stored copies of R22 > documents reside? Specifically the mast hoist instructions. Thanks. > Jay > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Fri Jun 10 04:11:40 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Fri Jun 10 04:11:45 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raising The Mast Message-ID: RAISING THE MAST WITH THE GB BOW CRANE: WARNING: Never let anyone stand under the mast during the hoisting 1. Inspect masthead, attach radio antennae and check shroud and stay connections to mast 2. With the mast resting on the mast crutch roller, walk the mast, boom and jib aft and connect the mast to the tabernacle 3. Connect hoist crane to cabin top block 4. Tie the crane winch line to the bow cleat 5. Connect aft lower shrouds to top of crane 5a. Alternate: Attach line from crane to mast bail and connect aft lowers to their chain plates 6. Connect back stays to their chain plates, making sure back stays are in front of stern rail. 7. Connect upper shrouds to their chain plates 8. Put the 8? extensions on the forward lower shrouds and connect to their chain plates 9. Begin raising the mast, continually checking for any shrouds or stays getting snagged or kinked, making sure the turnbuckles aren?t fowled and tending the jib as it comes forward 10. Raise the mast all the way up, keeping tension on the winch until you connect the bow stay to its chain plate 11. Disconnect the hoist crane and attach aft lower shrouds to their chain plates 12. Remove forward lower shroud extensions and connect shrouds to their chain plates 13. Adjust shroud turnbuckles as needed 14. Connect traveler bar between back stays 15. Lower the boom and connect it to the traveler 16. Tighten the back stay tensioning line 17. Remove mast crutch 18. Connect rudder asembly to the transom 19. Connect pop top to mast slider 20. Connect radio and steaming light From mkaynor at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 08:23:21 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Fri Jun 10 07:23:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rhodes2282@yahoo.com has been removed fromRhodes22-list. In-Reply-To: <42A92A44.4050701@michaelmeltzer.com> Message-ID: <42a9782b.5216b6eb.1831.ffffefb2@mx.gmail.com> Michael, ... and Todd and Wally and Robert and everyone else who contributed to this - thanks. Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of michael meltzer Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:51 AM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rhodes2282@yahoo.com has been removed fromRhodes22-list. this is steves current account, he did it himself at 12:17 -mjm __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From 3drecon at comcast.net Fri Jun 10 08:35:15 2005 From: 3drecon at comcast.net (Philip Esteban) Date: Fri Jun 10 07:36:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD In-Reply-To: <20050610034930.13624.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201c56db0$7916dba0$8f908c41@yourb8ed622a9f> Brad, It is a good move to push the Air Force. After 31 years of both USMC and US Army service, I would not counsel any young person to join the Army (the reasons are too long to go into here). I do tell the kids if they are full of P*ss and Vinegar and want to Shoot, Move and Communicate, the USMC is their best prospect for training and esprit de corps, however; if they want a good tour, making the same money, in decent quarters and great training/education opportunities, the Air Force is the way to go. The Navy is ok, but you spend a lot of time on "floats". In the end, if you are injured or wounded, the Army tends to kick you to the kerb. You can ultimately get treated but you have to fight for it. The pat' answer is "go to the VA". Philip -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:50 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD Wally, First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' Ford? You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying that in this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be a nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if not something bigger down the road. Bad timing for him. His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail for being a crook, but for the race card which will surely be played, just like it was for Harold, Senior. I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his secure congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's his life. The only Republican announced against him is that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long row to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but we'll see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" between your political beliefs and reality. Brad --- Wally Buck wrote: > Brad, > > My nephew emails me every month or so with updates > from Iraq. It does seem > we are making progress. In the end history will be > the judge. > > How about your boy Ford. It sure doesn't take much > to buy a TN politician. > :-0 > > Wally > > >From: brad haslett > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on > WMD > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Wally, > > > >Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a > >helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had a > >jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who was > >meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" with > our > >chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot > job > >interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his > friend > >who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had been > >activated. She was home on medical leave because > of a > >broken foot (not combat related). > > > >Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive > progress > >is being made that isn't being reported by the MSM. > >The military is putting a great deal of efforts > >turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, soccer > >fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were > happy > >we were there and more than happy that Saddam is > gone, > >but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of > >oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the > bad > >guys are difficult to identify because people are > >scared to turn them in, not that the average Iraqi > >supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the cops > if > >we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal > >activity. There, they and their family are killed > if > >they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's > but > >jihadists from other countries. It will continue > to > >be a problem for some time. She felt good about > her > >duty there and supported the war but expressed that > >morale was fading amongst the troops because of the > >long and extended deployments. I asked her > >specifically what her take was on WMD and she gave > me > >this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you > ever > >made a decision in the jet based on the information > >you had at the time and realized later there were > >other options? Bush made a decision on the intel he > >was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". > For > >the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her > service > >and thought she and her unit were having a positive > >impact. > > > >Some people don't support the war because they just > >don't like war. Who does? Most of the > non-supporters > >just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this > thing > >and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi > >people for us to abandon them at this point. We > did > >that once. We've had a huge military presence in > the > >Middle East and Europe for a long time and now > those > >assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a > lameduck > >now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just > as I > >have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. > No > >matter who the next President is (my current money > is > >on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. > > > >Brad > > > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > Thanks for changing the sugject line but my post > was > > > not about "WMDs". > > > Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is > not > > > Iraq". > > > > > > The funny thing is I have never questioned that > Iraq > > > had "WMDs". I have > > > questioned what level of threat Iraq was to our > > > National Security and our > > > motives for attacking when we did. This is very > hard > > > for many to understand. > > > > > > You are correct that the nukes were not in Cuba. > I > > > apologize for the error. > > > The USSR was building the missle pads and > facilities > > > to store and launch > > > Russian nukes in Cuba. The Soviets also had > bombers > > > based in Cuba. There was > > > a real threat to our National Security. Also > note > > > that this was settled with > > > out a war. This was my point. Not much to > compare > > > with Iraq. > > > > > > I do understand that WMDs involve gas, > biological, > > > and other means. I am > > > quite sure that stuff is missing as you say. > This > > > problem is not limited to > > > Iraq. Again this was not the point of my post. > The > > > situation in Cuba then > > > and Iraq now is quite different. To say > differently > > > is to ignore history. > > > > > > Wally > > > > > > > > > >From: "ed kroposki" > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > > > > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD > > > >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:18:21 -0400 > > > > > > > >Wally, > > > > WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, > > > such as gas, bio, et > > > >al. The issue was preventing them getting > nuc's, > > > not that they already had > > > >them. The same issue now next door in Iran. > > > Furthermore, nuclear is not > > > >limited to bomb explosives but also bomb > results, > > > ie, dirty explosives that > > > >contaminate. > > > > There was a complaint issued by the U.N. > > > inspectors recently about > > > >missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone > missing > > > since the start of the > > > >war. If there was not problem, why are the > U.N. > > > inspectors complaining > > > >about missing nuclear stuff now? > > > > I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, > but > > > your last comment > > > >was not accurate. Humpf. > > > > > > > >Ed K > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf Of Wally Buck > > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM > > > >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > D-Day > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 08:56:31 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Fri Jun 10 07:56:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rhodes2282@yahoo.com has been removedfromRhodes22-list. In-Reply-To: <42a9782b.5216b6eb.1831.ffffefb2@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: The whole thing is a little silly but it is time to move on. It we get favorable weather I leave next Friday for Florida. Hopefully we will start our cruise up the East Coast. Wally >From: "Mark Kaynor" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] rhodes2282@yahoo.com has been >removedfromRhodes22-list. >Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:23:21 -0400 > >Michael, > >... and Todd and Wally and Robert and everyone else who contributed to this >- thanks. > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of michael meltzer >Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:51 AM >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rhodes2282@yahoo.com has been removed >fromRhodes22-list. > >this is steves current account, he did it himself at 12:17 -mjm >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 10 08:56:54 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 10 07:57:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Will, are you still here In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c56db3$80059430$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Will, If you are still around, can you add Slim's checklist to the Web Site? In addition, when Bill Effros gets a round 'tuit' post his there as well. Can everyone send Bill a 'round tuit'. I get the impression that Michael has gone into that famous South Georgia swamp and is up to his ass in alligators. Bill, attached is a picture of a 'round tuit'. Ed K -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:12 AM To: Rhodes Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raising The Mast RAISING THE MAST WITH THE GB BOW CRANE: WARNING: Never let anyone stand under the mast during the hoisting 1. Inspect masthead, attach radio antennae and check shroud and stay connections to mast 2. With the mast resting on the mast crutch roller, walk the mast, boom and jib aft and connect the mast to the tabernacle 3. Connect hoist crane to cabin top block 4. Tie the crane winch line to the bow cleat 5. Connect aft lower shrouds to top of crane 5a. Alternate: Attach line from crane to mast bail and connect aft lowers to their chain plates 6. Connect back stays to their chain plates, making sure back stays are in front of stern rail. 7. Connect upper shrouds to their chain plates 8. Put the 8? extensions on the forward lower shrouds and connect to their chain plates 9. Begin raising the mast, continually checking for any shrouds or stays getting snagged or kinked, making sure the turnbuckles aren?t fowled and tending the jib as it comes forward 10. Raise the mast all the way up, keeping tension on the winch until you connect the bow stay to its chain plate 11. Disconnect the hoist crane and attach aft lower shrouds to their chain plates 12. Remove forward lower shroud extensions and connect shrouds to their chain plates 13. Adjust shroud turnbuckles as needed 14. Connect traveler bar between back stays 15. Lower the boom and connect it to the traveler 16. Tighten the back stay tensioning line 17. Remove mast crutch 18. Connect rudder asembly to the transom 19. Connect pop top to mast slider 20. Connect radio and steaming light __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -------------- next part -------------- Name: old round tuit.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 155123 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/oldroundtuit.jpg From julie at circle7.net Fri Jun 10 07:58:05 2005 From: julie at circle7.net (Julie Thorndycraft) Date: Fri Jun 10 07:58:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raising The Mast References: Message-ID: <000f01c56db3$a9a825f0$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> Thanks, Slim! Your timing is excellent - we might actually get the boat back on Saturday morning and try to drop her in on Sunday. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slim" To: "Rhodes" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 3:11 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raising The Mast RAISING THE MAST WITH THE GB BOW CRANE: WARNING: Never let anyone stand under the mast during the hoisting 1. Inspect masthead, attach radio antennae and check shroud and stay connections to mast 2. With the mast resting on the mast crutch roller, walk the mast, boom and jib aft and connect the mast to the tabernacle 3. Connect hoist crane to cabin top block 4. Tie the crane winch line to the bow cleat 5. Connect aft lower shrouds to top of crane 5a. Alternate: Attach line from crane to mast bail and connect aft lowers to their chain plates 6. Connect back stays to their chain plates, making sure back stays are in front of stern rail. 7. Connect upper shrouds to their chain plates 8. Put the 8? extensions on the forward lower shrouds and connect to their chain plates 9. Begin raising the mast, continually checking for any shrouds or stays getting snagged or kinked, making sure the turnbuckles aren?t fowled and tending the jib as it comes forward 10. Raise the mast all the way up, keeping tension on the winch until you connect the bow stay to its chain plate 11. Disconnect the hoist crane and attach aft lower shrouds to their chain plates 12. Remove forward lower shroud extensions and connect shrouds to their chain plates 13. Adjust shroud turnbuckles as needed 14. Connect traveler bar between back stays 15. Lower the boom and connect it to the traveler 16. Tighten the back stay tensioning line 17. Remove mast crutch 18. Connect rudder asembly to the transom 19. Connect pop top to mast slider 20. Connect radio and steaming light __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 09:01:21 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Fri Jun 10 08:01:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD In-Reply-To: <20050610034930.13624.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brad, Good luck with your son's decision. Wally >From: brad haslett >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 20:49:30 -0700 (PDT) > >Wally, > >First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' Ford? >You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying that in >this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be a >nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if not >something bigger down the road. Bad timing for him. >His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail for >being a crook, but for the race card which will >surely be played, just like it was for Harold, Senior. > I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his secure >congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's his >life. The only Republican announced against him is >that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. > >I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long row >to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of >enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but we'll >see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" >between your political beliefs and reality. > >Brad > > > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > Brad, > > > > My nephew emails me every month or so with updates > > from Iraq. It does seem > > we are making progress. In the end history will be > > the judge. > > > > How about your boy Ford. It sure doesn't take much > > to buy a TN politician. > > :-0 > > > > Wally > > > > >From: brad haslett > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on > > WMD > > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Wally, > > > > > >Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a > > >helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had a > > >jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who was > > >meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" with > > our > > >chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot > > job > > >interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his > > friend > > >who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had been > > >activated. She was home on medical leave because > > of a > > >broken foot (not combat related). > > > > > >Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive > > progress > > >is being made that isn't being reported by the MSM. > > >The military is putting a great deal of efforts > > >turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, soccer > > >fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were > > happy > > >we were there and more than happy that Saddam is > > gone, > > >but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of > > >oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the > > bad > > >guys are difficult to identify because people are > > >scared to turn them in, not that the average Iraqi > > >supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the cops > > if > > >we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal > > >activity. There, they and their family are killed > > if > > >they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's > > but > > >jihadists from other countries. It will continue > > to > > >be a problem for some time. She felt good about > > her > > >duty there and supported the war but expressed that > > >morale was fading amongst the troops because of the > > >long and extended deployments. I asked her > > >specifically what her take was on WMD and she gave > > me > > >this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you > > ever > > >made a decision in the jet based on the information > > >you had at the time and realized later there were > > >other options? Bush made a decision on the intel he > > >was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". > > For > > >the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her > > service > > >and thought she and her unit were having a positive > > >impact. > > > > > >Some people don't support the war because they just > > >don't like war. Who does? Most of the > > non-supporters > > >just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this > > thing > > >and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi > > >people for us to abandon them at this point. We > > did > > >that once. We've had a huge military presence in > > the > > >Middle East and Europe for a long time and now > > those > > >assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a > > lameduck > > >now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just > > as I > > >have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. > > No > > >matter who the next President is (my current money > > is > > >on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. > > > > > >Brad > > > > > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > > > Thanks for changing the sugject line but my post > > was > > > > not about "WMDs". > > > > Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is > > not > > > > Iraq". > > > > > > > > The funny thing is I have never questioned that > > Iraq > > > > had "WMDs". I have > > > > questioned what level of threat Iraq was to our > > > > National Security and our > > > > motives for attacking when we did. This is very > > hard > > > > for many to understand. > > > > > > > > You are correct that the nukes were not in Cuba. > > I > > > > apologize for the error. > > > > The USSR was building the missle pads and > > facilities > > > > to store and launch > > > > Russian nukes in Cuba. The Soviets also had > > bombers > > > > based in Cuba. There was > > > > a real threat to our National Security. Also > > note > > > > that this was settled with > > > > out a war. This was my point. Not much to > > compare > > > > with Iraq. > > > > > > > > I do understand that WMDs involve gas, > > biological, > > > > and other means. I am > > > > quite sure that stuff is missing as you say. > > This > > > > problem is not limited to > > > > Iraq. Again this was not the point of my post. > > The > > > > situation in Cuba then > > > > and Iraq now is quite different. To say > > differently > > > > is to ignore history. > > > > > > > > Wally > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "ed kroposki" > > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > > > > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > > > > > > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD > > > > >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:18:21 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Wally, > > > > > WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, > > > > such as gas, bio, et > > > > >al. The issue was preventing them getting > > nuc's, > > > > not that they already had > > > > >them. The same issue now next door in Iran. > > > > Furthermore, nuclear is not > > > > >limited to bomb explosives but also bomb > > results, > > > > ie, dirty explosives that > > > > >contaminate. > > > > > There was a complaint issued by the U.N. > > > > inspectors recently about > > > > >missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone > > missing > > > > since the start of the > > > > >war. If there was not problem, why are the > > U.N. > > > > inspectors complaining > > > > >about missing nuclear stuff now? > > > > > I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, > > but > > > > your last comment > > > > >was not accurate. Humpf. > > > > > > > > > >Ed K > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > > > Behalf Of Wally Buck > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM > > > > >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > > D-Day > > > > > > > >=== message truncated === > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 09:05:10 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Fri Jun 10 08:05:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to your end of the river. I have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I need to get off my a** and get it done. Wally >From: "anima13" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > >Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop here and say the sailing is >better >here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. >Anne > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of J Cook >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the St >John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as much >during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out >in >the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this >year. > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's a full >day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even if I >take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. > >Joseph > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Quinn > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running > from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to > head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Cook" > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >> > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended > vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once >in >a > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here >in > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. > > Joseph > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >www.rhodes22.org/list >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From hnw555 at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 09:09:12 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Fri Jun 10 08:09:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rhodes2282@yahoo.com has been removed from Rhodes22-list. In-Reply-To: <42A92A44.4050701@michaelmeltzer.com> References: <42A92A44.4050701@michaelmeltzer.com> Message-ID: It is a shame it came down to this, but I, for one, am not sorry to see him go. I originally joined this list because I was (and still am) interested in owning a Rhodes. For reasons I won't go into, it will be sometime before that happens and I will remain with my Islander 36 for now. I have stayed on the list because I enjoy the spirited conversations, both nautical and otherwise. Have a great weekend and I hope everyone gets out to the water! Hank On 6/10/05, michael meltzer wrote: > this is steves current account, he did it himself at 12:17 -mjm > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From wewickman at duke-energy.com Fri Jun 10 09:23:29 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Fri Jun 10 08:24:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas Message-ID: Ed K: Nice list of websites. I may just come on down to Lake Hartwell sometime. It's not that far away from East Tennessee, and looks like some nice cruising area with open water. Joseph: I would add www.ncsail.org to your list of sites. This is a site of North Carolina trailer sailors. Lurk the bulletin board for information or post a question there. They are a very friendly bunch. Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | "ed kroposki" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/09/2005 06:53 PM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Joseph: We have kept inviting other Rhodies to Lake Hartwell and have yet to be taken up. Unfortunately, I do not expect to be around for the 4th of July. See: http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm http://www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/ http://www.portmanmarina.com/ Then there is Wally in line for one Florida's favorite weather phenomena. Wally sails on the Tennessee River. See: http://www.tnriver.com/ Or, consider the coast. You may have read the adventure of Capt Bill and the Oriental, Morehead City and Cape Lookout area. Just a little further up is the home to your boat, Edenton, NC. Actually the sailing is quite good in Stan's backyard. The sound has lots of open water. See: http://www.charlestoncitymarina.com/ http://www.marina-info.com/minfo/us/realusindex.htm http://www.edentonmarina.com/ http://www.orientalmarina.com/ I expect to be on the 6th Great Lake over the 4th. http://sayahoy.com/index.shtml http://www.lakechamplainpub.com/Lake_Champlain.htm Ed K Greenville, SC, USA __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From wewickman at duke-energy.com Fri Jun 10 09:36:26 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Fri Jun 10 08:36:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas Message-ID: Joseph: If you travel all the way up to Watts Bar Lake, you should also cruise up the river and visit Tellico Lake (or trailer hop). The water is clear and it nestles right up against the Smoky Mountains. The down side is that the wind can be very light in East Tennessee during the summer. Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | "Robert Quinn" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/09/2005 08:57 PM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. Joseph __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From wewickman at duke-energy.com Fri Jun 10 09:36:40 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Fri Jun 10 08:37:04 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas Message-ID: In East Tennessee we call them "halfbacks." They move down to Florida to get away from the cold up north, and then find it too hot and move "half way back". We are in the middle; not to hot and not too cold. Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | "anima13" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/09/2005 11:35 PM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop here and say the sailing is better here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of J Cook Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as much during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out in the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this year. We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's a full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Quinn To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. Joseph __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From wewickman at duke-energy.com Fri Jun 10 10:16:40 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Fri Jun 10 09:17:06 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas -- Destin FL Message-ID: As luck has it, I will be trailering down to Destin, FL at the end of this month. I have a business meeting at SanDestin and plan to extend my stay and do some day sailing in Choctawhatchee Bay and maybe into the Gulf a little. I certainly don't expect the wild exciting trip that the Outer Banks provided. I don't plan to sail in a tropical storm :) Anyone out there sailed this area before? Any recommended sites or anchorages? Must do activities? My current plan is to launch in Hoggtown Bayou, and sail over to the Baytowne Marina of SanDestin. I have a condo rented for the week so will just keep the boat at the marina and sleep in luxury during the night (company expense accounts are great!). I may try to overnight somewhere if I can drag anyone in my family away from the comfort of the condo. I'll be sure to post a report if anything interesting happens. Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | "Wally Buck" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/09/2005 07:25 PM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Joseph, I am not sure what part of FL you are from but I really want to head down your way. Pensacola area has a lot to offer. I would love to do some cruising in the Great Lakes as well. I sail on the TN River and we have some great anchorages but the B&Bs are few and far between. There are restaurants but nothing fancy. You can get cold beer and a good burger at Blue Springs Marina. Fair Winds, Wally >From: "J Cook" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:39:20 -0400 > >Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended >vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some >favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in >a while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in >Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. > >Joseph >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 10 10:49:59 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 10 09:50:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c56dc3$4edb4390$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Bill: Too bad you can not take Wally with you. He has been wanting to that area for several years. I presume that you had a digital camera for your trip to the outer banks. Does it take memory chips? For about $30 you can get another one. Very few pictures of your last trip. Oh, you need to get a tiller tamer to free your hands? I did check back thru the pictures you sent, and I never saw the Cape Lookout Light house. I am wondering if you fudged that segment of the episode. Document your locations with pictures that we can verify. Beaufort was quite accurate. You did have the Harbor Masters quarters in one picture. In the past there was a R22 in Mobile, but I believe it was sold. As far as I can tell there is no one on the list currently familiar with the coast in that area. So, the rest of the US and Canada will be waiting for your reports. + Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Look here, they have screened in Lulu's: www.liveeyenet.com/lulus/ Go to Panama City and stop there. Give your business buddies some atmosphere. Sit a table in camera view. Let us know when you will be there. Get somebody to do a screen picture capture. The place is on the ICW. I guess they are trying to control the bugs (no see ums). From wewickman at duke-energy.com Fri Jun 10 10:39:55 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Fri Jun 10 10:41:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination Message-ID: I'd love to take Wally, but my car will be jamed with three kids and a wife. OK to prove it to you, I have attached a picture of the Cape Lookout lighthouse. And one of our neighbor at the anchorage. And one of the lanuch ramp in Oriental (note the sunken sailboat across the channel). And a few others. Note the missing anchor off the bow pulpit (I lost it earlier that day in rough seas) and the beautiful blue skies in the derigging photo. It is amazing how rapidly and extreme the weather can change in the Outer Banks. I actually took a bunch of pictures the first couple of days, but didn't want to overload the listserve. I would really like to take another trip out there sometime, and its not just about getting back on the horse I fell off of. It is really beautiful. On my redo, if I take the family, I would trailer to Beaufort and sail to Cape Lookout and sail the local area for a couple of days. Or, for a longer venue, I would go back to Oriental and sail to Ocracoke, and then out of Ocracoke inlet (if conditions were right) and down the coast to Cape Lookout. I think that sailing out of Ocracoke inlet from the inside would be less daunting because you have more options for turning back if it looks bad than if you sail all the way up the coast. Bill W. (See attached file: orientalramp.jpg)(See attached file: USCG_capelookout.jpg)(See attached file: lighthousesunrise.jpg)(See attached file: beaufort_inlet.jpg)(See attached file: oriental_derigging.jpg) |---------+----------------------------------> | | "ed kroposki" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/10/2005 09:49 AM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" | | cc: | | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Bill: Too bad you can not take Wally with you. He has been wanting to that area for several years. I presume that you had a digital camera for your trip to the outer banks. Does it take memory chips? For about $30 you can get another one. Very few pictures of your last trip. Oh, you need to get a tiller tamer to free your hands? I did check back thru the pictures you sent, and I never saw the Cape Lookout Light house. I am wondering if you fudged that segment of the episode. Document your locations with pictures that we can verify. Beaufort was quite accurate. You did have the Harbor Masters quarters in one picture. In the past there was a R22 in Mobile, but I believe it was sold. As far as I can tell there is no one on the list currently familiar with the coast in that area. So, the rest of the US and Canada will be waiting for your reports. + Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Look here, they have screened in Lulu's: www.liveeyenet.com/lulus/ Go to Panama City and stop there. Give your business buddies some atmosphere. Sit a table in camera view. Let us know when you will be there. Get somebody to do a screen picture capture. The place is on the ICW. 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We discussed developing and posting instructions for mast raising and lowering a while ago. Slim developed his outline, and we all said we would contribute to fleshing it out for people doing it the first time. Following is my contribution to the mast lowering instructions. It was written in Word. Does Michael's system allow for passing on Word documents? In my original, the items discussed are in bold face, so if you have done the steps many times before, you only have to catch the bold face to know what to do next. I also use colors, and larger type when I want to make sure I will see an instruction. Some of this formatting will come out "funny" (preceding questions marks, etc.) when converted. As I have noted in the past, it takes 20 minutes to raise or lower the mast if you know how to do it. The trick is to arrange the instructions so that you start at the stern, and work your way to the bow, walking back and forth and up and down as few times as possible. Also that you don't perform steps that must later be unperformed because you forgot something else. As has been said many times, this is the best mast raising system I have ever seen. It is brilliantly engineered and I am not using that term lightly. Stan is a brilliant engineer and we all are privileged that he has used his talent to create and build one of the finest toys on the planet for our personal enjoyment. When nothing goes wrong, it is easy enough to raise a mast with a couple of people, or one person, some 2x4s and a winch. But if even the smallest thing goes wrong using those systems, you face literally catastrophic failure. I don't think people should play with their lives. Stan's system, used according to the following instructions will safely lower a mast, single handed, every time. The following instructions are personalized for my own use. They are not the definitive word, in fact I still have notes attached to some items that I have questions about. The process is deadly dull to read, when you don't need the instructions. I make notes to myself as I run through the checklist while I am raising and lowering, and change things accordingly. Having just raised my mast, I know what is wrong with my current list, and will revise it when it is raining. Then I will post. I welcome revisions and additions from others. As soon as you try the list you will see better ways to do some things. PLEASE, PLEASE NOTE--YOU CANNOT RUN THE MAST LOWERING LIST BACKWARDS FOR MAST RAISING!!! Bill Effros Mast Lowering ? Install Mast Support On Transom 1. Release Back Stay Tension Adjuster From Its Transom Cleat. 2. Mount the transom carrier on the center of the stern. 3. Fasten the two lines on the transom carrier to the two aft docking cleats. ? Install Hoist, Connecting Loop To Bow Docking Cleat 3. Mount the crane, winch facing forward, onto its mounting block on the center forward cabin top, using the two bolts stored in the base of the hoist. 4. Extend the winch line 2 feet and secure to the bow deck docking cleat. 5. The drum part of the winch will be lying on top of the cleat. ? Remove Boom Block And Traveler Bar--Free Turnbuckles 6. Release the back stay 7. Pull the pins that hold the traveler bar to the back stays. 8. Remove the bar from its back stay sockets. 9. Store the bar, with its boom block, fiddler block, traveler car and main sheet assembly, on one of the shelves along the "V" berth. 10. Cut Off Turnbuckle Tape - Sheer and Remove Twist Ties by Turning Turnbuckle ? Disconnect Pop-top from slider on mast, move it up the mast 11. Pull the pin that connects the pop top to the mast pop top slider. 12. Slide the mast pop top slider to its upper mast position. 13. Disconnect any electrical mast/deck connections. 14. Furl main sail fully. ? Raise boom to mast, cleat off 15. Pull the pin that holds the boom block to the bent rotating tang on the end of the boom. 16. Pull the topping lift tight so the boom raises up against the mast. ? Snug up hoist 17. Secure the topping lift line to the higher cleat on the side of the mast. 18. Remove the rest of this line from its cabin top locking cleat. ? Insert Aluminum Extenders Into Lower Forward Stays, Connect To Chain Plates 19. Connect an aluminum extender between each forward lower shroud turnbuckle and its chain plate. 20. Make use of the referenced dimension of the two forward lower turnbuckles you recorded on the way up. 21. Reset the turnbuckles to this figure or slightly greater so that there will be no over-tightening of these stays as the mast reaches the bottom of its lowering arc. (Lowering a mast with over-tightened stays could cause the mast step to be pulled out.) ? Connect Aft Lower Back Stays To The Mast Hoist 22. Connect the two aft lower shrouds to the two brackets near the top aft side of the crane. 23. Make Sure Mast Can't Fall Forward!!! Back Stays Remain Attached!!! ? Set Up Jib for Disconnect 24. Strap jib at its grommet so it cannot unfurl. 25. Undo the jib sheets and jib furling line from their cleats and leads. 26. Coil the jib furling line and jib sheet and strap them to the furled jib. ? Disconnect Genoa From Chain Plate, Guide Toward Mast 27. Take all line off Jib Spool and Strap to Jib 28. Pull the pin that connects the jib stay from its bow chain plate. 29. Lift and walk the furled jib to the mast so that its upper end goes behind an upper shroud. 30. Secure the jib by placing a fast pin through the "U" bracket on the front mast bottom and the hole in the bottom disc of the jib--This Step Isn't Working - Review Problem--Bring in From Bottom? * Wrap excess topping lift line around mast, boom and Genoa--Not Needed? Strap? 31. You now have the mast, boom and furling tube bundled and the mast still standing. 32. Use the excess topping lift line or a shock cord or tape, at a height as high as you can reach, to secure the mast, boom and furling tube into one bundle. - Strap? 33. Back off each turnbuckle to the position noted when you put up the mast--Tighten to Center ? Close the sliding hatch 34. Make certain that the sliding hatch is back in its closed position and that the pop top slider has been left in its up position on the mast. * Lower mast, don't let lower forward stays/chain get too tight 35. Slowly crank down the mast into the transom carrier. 36. The load will get heavier as you go further down. 37. Make sure nothing snags. 38. Continue until the mast is resting in the transom carrier. * Disconnect all stays 39. Tape the back stays to the mast and loop them up for a second mast taping. 40. Detach the winch line from the bow cleat. 41. Crank the winch line onto the winch. ? Remove hoist 42. Remove the crane. 43. Detach the aluminum extenders from the turnbuckles and chain plates. 44. Put the aluminum extenders on one of the shelves along the "V" berth. 45. Pull the pins from the remaining four turnbuckles. * Remove bolt from mast base 46. Remove the bolt from the mast step. * Move mast and Genoa forward over the bow pulpit 47. Slide the mast bundle forward in the transom carrier to the bow pulpit. 48. If you encounter any resistance, check for stays hung up on hardware. 49. Clip the mast to the fitting on the bow pulpit. * The following is for Trailering 50. Cushion key areas (use scrap carpet or foam) before securing the mast bundle to the boat: Under the contact areas of the pop top and deck. At the end of the boom where it touches mast and spreader. Under spreader if tied to the cabin hand rail Under the mast bundle where it makes contact with the pop top. 51. Run all the stays aft along the top of the mast bundle, taping them to the bundle at intervals, until you reach mid cockpit. There they can all be coiled, shoved into a sail bag and hung from the mast. Caution: Hanging anything beyond the confines of the boat proper, risks loss, since if parts come loose, they will fall to the ground instead of into the cockpit. Use the sail bag. 52. Play it safe and secure the mast bundle to the boat at four points instead of just two: Bow pulpit, Bow deck cleat, Lines from the hand rails to around the bundle and to the mast step Stern Rail 53. Tie both spreader ends to the handrails so there is no contact. 54. Check all places where rubbing may occur and tape on cushioning: Sail cloth against a tang, Boom against a spreader, The bundle against the sliding hatch. 55. Avoid loose ends beating against the gel coat. 56. You may elect to use fast pins on all connections so you can strip the mast of all stays and spreaders to cut down packing time. 57. Drape a sail bag over the bow pulpit and have the helper apply a slight aft pressure to the mast bundle while you unpin the two aft lower shrouds. These are the only turnbuckles you may find it necessary to lengthen to relieve the pressure on their pins. 58. Stow fenders, life jackets, lines etc. in the lazaret. 59. Do not leave any loose, hard items in the cockpit. 60. Check the cabin to see that nothing is left loose to bounce around and cause damage, including the rope locker, table, etc. 61. The motor and rudder can be left in place but it is advisable to secure them for any extended boat moving. 62. Put a line around the motor from the stern eye to the stern rail, so that if the motor lift line comes loose, the motor will still be supported. 63. Put a line through the loop of the rudder lifting line to the stern rail, so that pressure is taken off the rudder control line cleat. This line will also prevent the rudder from swinging. 64. Push the ladder into its locking position. 65. Check winch strap, trailer lights, hitch lock and chains. 66. You're ready to roll. 67. If you are moving the boat an appreciable distance, you should cushion key areas before securing the mast bundle to the boat: Under the contact areas of the pop top and deck At the end of the boom where it touches mast and spreader. Under the mast at the bow pulpit and stern rail contacts. Under spreader if tied to the cabin hand rail Under the mast bundle where it makes contact with the pop top. (Scrap carpet or foam is fine.) ed kroposki wrote: >Will, > If you are still around, can you add Slim's checklist to the Web >Site? In addition, when Bill Effros gets a round 'tuit' post his there as >well. Can everyone send Bill a 'round tuit'. > I get the impression that Michael has gone into that famous South >Georgia swamp and is up to his ass in alligators. > Bill, attached is a picture of a 'round tuit'. > >Ed K >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim >Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:12 AM >To: Rhodes >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raising The Mast > >RAISING THE MAST WITH THE GB BOW CRANE: > >WARNING: Never let anyone stand under the mast during the hoisting > >1. Inspect masthead, attach radio antennae and check shroud and stay >connections to mast >2. With the mast resting on the mast crutch roller, walk the mast, boom and >jib aft and connect the mast to the tabernacle >3. Connect hoist crane to cabin top block >4. Tie the crane winch line to the bow cleat >5. Connect aft lower shrouds to top of crane >5a. Alternate: Attach line from crane to mast bail and connect aft lowers >to their chain plates >6. Connect back stays to their chain plates, making sure back stays are in >front of stern rail. >7. Connect upper shrouds to their chain plates >8. Put the 8? extensions on the forward lower shrouds and connect to their >chain plates >9. Begin raising the mast, continually checking for any shrouds or stays >getting snagged or kinked, making sure the turnbuckles aren?t fowled and >tending the jib as it comes forward >10. Raise the mast all the way up, keeping tension on the winch until you >connect the bow stay to its chain plate >11. Disconnect the hoist crane and attach aft lower shrouds to their chain >plates >12. Remove forward lower shroud extensions and connect shrouds to their >chain plates >13. Adjust shroud turnbuckles as needed >14. Connect traveler bar between back stays >15. Lower the boom and connect it to the traveler >16. Tighten the back stay tensioning line >17. Remove mast crutch >18. Connect rudder asembly to the transom >19. Connect pop top to mast slider >20. Connect radio and steaming light > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Name: old round tuit.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 155123 bytes Desc: not available >Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/oldroundtuit.jpg > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From pthorn at nc.rr.com Fri Jun 10 11:51:06 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Fri Jun 10 10:49:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Open Invitation References: Message-ID: <004c01c56dcb$d4b2e650$660fa8c0@dell330> Bill W et al, Would you like to join us over Labor Day sailing from Oriental to Ocracoke? So far, our small fleet includes R22 "Raven" and Lawrence Miller's Tanzer 26 "XKE", slipped at Whitaker Creek, Oriental. The date is all that's planned so far and the more the merrier. Any interested Rhodies~ come on down (up, across, whatever)! All plans are subject to the weather. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "William E. Wickman" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination > > I'd love to take Wally, but my car will be jamed with three kids and a > wife. > > OK to prove it to you, I have attached a picture of the Cape Lookout > lighthouse. And one of our neighbor at the anchorage. And one of the > lanuch ramp in Oriental (note the sunken sailboat across the channel). And > a few others. Note the missing anchor off the bow pulpit (I lost it > earlier that day in rough seas) and the beautiful blue skies in the > derigging photo. It is amazing how rapidly and extreme the weather can > change in the Outer Banks. > > I actually took a bunch of pictures the first couple of days, but didn't > want to overload the listserve. > > I would really like to take another trip out there sometime, and its not > just about getting back on the horse I fell off of. It is really > beautiful. On my redo, if I take the family, I would trailer to Beaufort > and sail to Cape Lookout and sail the local area for a couple of days. Or, > for a longer venue, I would go back to Oriental and sail to Ocracoke, and > then out of Ocracoke inlet (if conditions were right) and down the coast to > Cape Lookout. I think that sailing out of Ocracoke inlet from the inside > would be less daunting because you have more options for turning back if it > looks bad than if you sail all the way up the coast. > > Bill W. > > (See attached file: orientalramp.jpg)(See attached file: > USCG_capelookout.jpg)(See attached file: lighthousesunrise.jpg)(See > attached file: beaufort_inlet.jpg)(See attached file: > oriental_derigging.jpg) > > > > > |---------+----------------------------------> > | | "ed kroposki" | > | | | > | | Sent by: | > | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| > | | hodes22.org | > | | | > | | | > | | 06/10/2005 09:49 AM | > | | Please respond to The | > | | Rhodes 22 mail list | > | | | > |---------+----------------------------------> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" | > | cc: | > | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination | > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| > > > > > Bill: > Too bad you can not take Wally with you. He has been wanting > to > that area for several years. > I presume that you had a digital camera for your trip to the > outer > banks. Does it take memory chips? For about $30 you can get another one. > Very few pictures of your last trip. Oh, you need to get a tiller tamer to > free your hands? > I did check back thru the pictures you sent, and I never saw > the > Cape Lookout Light house. I am wondering if you fudged that segment of the > episode. Document your locations with pictures that we can verify. > Beaufort was quite accurate. You did have the Harbor Masters quarters in > one picture. > In the past there was a R22 in Mobile, but I believe it was > sold. > As far as I can tell there is no one on the list currently familiar with > the > coast in that area. So, the rest of the US and Canada will be waiting for > your reports. > + > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Look here, they have screened in Lulu's: > www.liveeyenet.com/lulus/ > Go to Panama City and stop there. Give your business buddies some > atmosphere. Sit a table in camera view. Let us know when you will be > there. > Get somebody to do a screen picture capture. The place is on the ICW. I > guess they are trying to control the bugs (no see ums). > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Name: orientalramp.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 564658 bytes Desc: not available > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/orientalramp.jpg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Name: USCG_capelookout.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 343899 bytes Desc: not available > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/USCG_capelookout.jpg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Name: lighthousesunrise.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 425142 bytes Desc: not available > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/lighthousesunrise.jpg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Name: beaufort_inlet.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 378686 bytes Desc: not available > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/beaufort_inlet.jpg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Name: oriental_derigging.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 487901 bytes Desc: not available > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/oriental_derigging.jpg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 10 11:51:03 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Fri Jun 10 10:51:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001c01c56d57$5c196e40$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <005a01c56dcb$d3a32400$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> J: Understand the escape from the heat. We'll head north (sans boat) the middle of July and hope to catch a few sails during our travels which include Maine. Some friends in Canada have offered their boat on a lake near their home so we know we'll get in at least one sail. Good luck with your search for cooler sailing grounds. Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as much during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out in the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this year. We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's a full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Quinn To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. Joseph __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 10 11:58:24 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Fri Jun 10 10:58:32 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas -- Destin FL References: Message-ID: <007701c56dcc$da36d630$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Bill: Either Cruising World or Sail had an article on this area within the last two years. Sounded pretty neat. You may be able to access it through their web pages. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "William E. Wickman" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas -- Destin FL > > As luck has it, I will be trailering down to Destin, FL at the end of this > month. I have a business meeting at SanDestin and plan to extend my stay > and do some day sailing in Choctawhatchee Bay and maybe into the Gulf a > little. I certainly don't expect the wild exciting trip that the Outer > Banks provided. I don't plan to sail in a tropical storm :) > > Anyone out there sailed this area before? Any recommended sites or > anchorages? Must do activities? My current plan is to launch in Hoggtown > Bayou, and sail over to the Baytowne Marina of SanDestin. I have a condo > rented for the week so will just keep the boat at the marina and sleep in > luxury during the night (company expense accounts are great!). I may try > to overnight somewhere if I can drag anyone in my family away from the > comfort of the condo. > > I'll be sure to post a report if anything interesting happens. > > Bill W. > > > > > |---------+----------------------------------> > | | "Wally Buck" | > | | | > | | Sent by: | > | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| > | | hodes22.org | > | | | > | | | > | | 06/09/2005 07:25 PM | > | | Please respond to The | > | | Rhodes 22 mail list | > | | | > |---------+----------------------------------> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | > | > | To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > | > | cc: > | > | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > | > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > Joseph, > > I am not sure what part of FL you are from but I really want to head down > your way. Pensacola area has a lot to offer. I would love to do some > cruising in the Great Lakes as well. I sail on the TN River and we have > some > great anchorages but the B&Bs are few and far between. There are > restaurants > but nothing fancy. You can get cold beer and a good burger at Blue Springs > Marina. > > Fair Winds, > > Wally > > >>From: "J Cook" >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas >>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:39:20 -0400 >> >>Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended >>vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some >>favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in > >>a while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here > in >>Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. >> >>Joseph >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From wewickman at duke-energy.com Fri Jun 10 12:07:37 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Fri Jun 10 11:08:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Open Invitation Message-ID: I've got my calendar marked. Keep us posted as you float plan develops. Maybe we could even talk Stan into taking a vacation and coming with us! Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | "Peter Thorn" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/10/2005 10:51 AM | | | Please respond to Peter| | | Thorn; Please respond | | | to The Rhodes 22 mail | | | list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" | | cc: | | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Open Invitation | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Bill W et al, Would you like to join us over Labor Day sailing from Oriental to Ocracoke? So far, our small fleet includes R22 "Raven" and Lawrence Miller's Tanzer 26 "XKE", slipped at Whitaker Creek, Oriental. The date is all that's planned so far and the more the merrier. Any interested Rhodies~ come on down (up, across, whatever)! All plans are subject to the weather. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "William E. Wickman" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination > > I'd love to take Wally, but my car will be jamed with three kids and a > wife. > > OK to prove it to you, I have attached a picture of the Cape Lookout > lighthouse. And one of our neighbor at the anchorage. And one of the > lanuch ramp in Oriental (note the sunken sailboat across the channel). And > a few others. Note the missing anchor off the bow pulpit (I lost it > earlier that day in rough seas) and the beautiful blue skies in the > derigging photo. It is amazing how rapidly and extreme the weather can > change in the Outer Banks. > > I actually took a bunch of pictures the first couple of days, but didn't > want to overload the listserve. > > I would really like to take another trip out there sometime, and its not > just about getting back on the horse I fell off of. It is really > beautiful. On my redo, if I take the family, I would trailer to Beaufort > and sail to Cape Lookout and sail the local area for a couple of days. Or, > for a longer venue, I would go back to Oriental and sail to Ocracoke, and > then out of Ocracoke inlet (if conditions were right) and down the coast to > Cape Lookout. I think that sailing out of Ocracoke inlet from the inside > would be less daunting because you have more options for turning back if it > looks bad than if you sail all the way up the coast. > > Bill W. > > (See attached file: orientalramp.jpg)(See attached file: > USCG_capelookout.jpg)(See attached file: lighthousesunrise.jpg)(See > attached file: beaufort_inlet.jpg)(See attached file: > oriental_derigging.jpg) > > > > > |---------+----------------------------------> > | | "ed kroposki" | > | | | > | | Sent by: | > | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| > | | hodes22.org | > | | | > | | | > | | 06/10/2005 09:49 AM | > | | Please respond to The | > | | Rhodes 22 mail list | > | | | > |---------+----------------------------------> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" | > | cc: | > | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination | > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| > > > > > Bill: > Too bad you can not take Wally with you. He has been wanting > to > that area for several years. > I presume that you had a digital camera for your trip to the > outer > banks. Does it take memory chips? For about $30 you can get another one. > Very few pictures of your last trip. Oh, you need to get a tiller tamer to > free your hands? > I did check back thru the pictures you sent, and I never saw > the > Cape Lookout Light house. I am wondering if you fudged that segment of the > episode. Document your locations with pictures that we can verify. > Beaufort was quite accurate. You did have the Harbor Masters quarters in > one picture. > In the past there was a R22 in Mobile, but I believe it was > sold. > As far as I can tell there is no one on the list currently familiar with > the > coast in that area. So, the rest of the US and Canada will be waiting for > your reports. > + > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Look here, they have screened in Lulu's: > www.liveeyenet.com/lulus/ > Go to Panama City and stop there. Give your business buddies some > atmosphere. Sit a table in camera view. Let us know when you will be > there. > Get somebody to do a screen picture capture. The place is on the ICW. I > guess they are trying to control the bugs (no see ums). > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Name: orientalramp.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 564658 bytes Desc: not available > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/orientalramp.jpg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Name: USCG_capelookout.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 343899 bytes Desc: not available > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/USCG_capelookout.jpg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Name: lighthousesunrise.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 425142 bytes Desc: not available > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/lighthousesunrise.jpg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Name: beaufort_inlet.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 378686 bytes Desc: not available > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/beaufort_inlet.jpg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Name: oriental_derigging.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 487901 bytes Desc: not available > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/oriental_derigging.jpg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 10 12:45:53 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 10 11:46:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's outer banks trip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c56dd3$7c6d44b0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Bill: Fantastic, your sunset scene will now replace Peter's! Furthermore, maybe those shots will entice some other Rhodies to the area. Are you hiding anymore? Did you take any shots while motoring up the channel by Atlantic and Davis? Did you see any moorings in those areas. How was the trip in the cut before Cedar Island? Was there a draw bridge involved? Or is that where they put that new high rise bridge? Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer? I think that might be in order for taking pictures. I do not have the autopilot. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 09:49:01 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 10 11:49:06 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD In-Reply-To: <000201c56db0$7916dba0$8f908c41@yourb8ed622a9f> Message-ID: <20050610154901.27962.qmail@web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Phillip, Thanks for the "gouge". He put in an application at FedEx this week to work in the hub. I can't do anything to accelerate his hiring - if they find out his dad is a crewmember it would probably be the kiss of death - the company always blames us prima donnas for everyone else not getting a raise. We're in contract negotiations right now so the same old BS is flying. Anyway, I think Alex's best bet would be to get on here and then join the local Air National Guard unit. They just got C5's and are building a new airport facility (we're getting their old one). I work with a lot of the officers in the unit and could provide some help there. He's already said he doesn't want to get stuck on a boat. His grandfather on his mother's side is retired Army Special Forces. He's said much the same thing to him as you did about the Army. Unfortunately, I didn't do a very good job of dividing up the work ethic and motivation between my two sons. The oldest I have to throttle back constantly and the youngest seems to always need a kick in the ass. Right now the youngest is discovering the joys of poverty and has finally figured out he needs to do something. If Alex can get on at the hub and in the Memphis Guard it will be the best of both worlds. FedEx will pay for college as well as the Guard. I promised to put the equivalent amount in an IRA for him. Of course at 19 he has no idea what an IRA is or why anyone would want to put money away that couldn't be spent for 40 years. The Memphis Guard has been getting activated alot lately but mostly its trips to the desert and back. I met a guy in the bar at Tysons Corner outside DC last night who's made some trips to/from Baghdad. He said the airport was opening up to passenger traffic this week but they're still using special approach procedures. There are a lot of SAMs out there and still unaccounted for Stingers from Afghanastan. After seeing the photos and reading the story of the DHL Airbus that took a missle through the engine, I'm glad I don't fly there. My biggest worry is making sure that when I get up in the middle of the night to go pee, I'm really in the bathroom (long story from before you arrived here that I don't want to repeat.) Brad --- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: > Brad, > It is a good move to push the Air Force. After > 31 years of both USMC > and US Army service, I would not counsel any young > person to join the Army > (the reasons are too long to go into here). I do > tell the kids if they are > full of P*ss and Vinegar and want to Shoot, Move and > Communicate, the USMC > is their best prospect for training and esprit de > corps, however; if they > want a good tour, making the same money, in decent > quarters and great > training/education opportunities, the Air Force is > the way to go. The Navy > is ok, but you spend a lot of time on "floats". In > the end, if you are > injured or wounded, the Army tends to kick you to > the kerb. You can > ultimately get treated but you have to fight for it. > The pat' answer is "go > to the VA". > > Philip > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf > Of brad haslett > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:50 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on > WMD > > > Wally, > > First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' Ford? > You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying that > in > this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be a > nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if > not > something bigger down the road. Bad timing for him. > His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail > for > being a crook, but for the race card which will > surely be played, just like it was for Harold, > Senior. > I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his > secure > congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's his > life. The only Republican announced against him is > that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. > > I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long > row > to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of > enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but we'll > see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" > between your political beliefs and reality. > > Brad > > > > --- Wally Buck wrote: > > > Brad, > > > > My nephew emails me every month or so with updates > > from Iraq. It does seem > > we are making progress. In the end history will be > > the judge. > > > > How about your boy Ford. It sure doesn't take much > > to buy a TN politician. > > :-0 > > > > Wally > > > > >From: brad haslett > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not > on > > WMD > > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Wally, > > > > > >Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a > > >helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had > a > > >jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who > was > > >meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" > with > > our > > >chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot > > job > > >interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his > > friend > > >who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had > been > > >activated. She was home on medical leave because > > of a > > >broken foot (not combat related). > > > > > >Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive > > progress > > >is being made that isn't being reported by the > MSM. > > >The military is putting a great deal of efforts > > >turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, > soccer > > >fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were > > happy > > >we were there and more than happy that Saddam is > > gone, > > >but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of > > >oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the > > bad > > >guys are difficult to identify because people are > > >scared to turn them in, not that the average > Iraqi > > >supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the > cops > > if > > >we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal > > >activity. There, they and their family are > killed > > if > > >they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's > > but > > >jihadists from other countries. It will continue > > to > > >be a problem for some time. She felt good about > > her > > >duty there and supported the war but expressed > that > > >morale was fading amongst the troops because of > the > > >long and extended deployments. I asked her > > >specifically what her take was on WMD and she > gave > > me > > >this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you > > ever > > >made a decision in the jet based on the > information > > >you had at the time and realized later there were > > >other options? Bush made a decision on the intel > he > > >was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". > > For > > >the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her > > service > > >and thought she and her unit were having a > positive > > >impact. > > > > > >Some people don't support the war because they > just > > >don't like war. Who does? Most of the > > non-supporters > > >just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this > > thing > > >and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi > > >people for us to abandon them at this point. We > > did > > >that once. We've had a huge military presence in > > the > > >Middle East and Europe for a long time and now > > those > > >assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a > > lameduck > > >now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just > > as I > > >have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. > > No > > >matter who the next President is (my current > money > > is > > >on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. > > > > > >Brad > > > > > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > > > Thanks for changing the sugject line but my > post > > was > > > > not about "WMDs". > > > > Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is > > not > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rlipton at earthlink.net Fri Jun 10 11:50:51 2005 From: rlipton at earthlink.net (Ronald Lipton) Date: Fri Jun 10 11:50:59 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe References: <000001c56d06$18b1e430$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <00e401c56dd4$2d93ea50$3de1e183@fermi.win.fnal.gov> I would like to remind folks that all e-mail clients have a spam blocker that allows you to turn off specific addresses. I have not received any of Steve's posts for a year. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > Steve, > Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and unnecessary. I > appreciate that you think you are a long timer with special status, but you > are abusing the list. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > Robert > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work only show your lack of > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > country doing; we are going after them. It is always > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you > protested that war. This country had the capitality > to free those people & because of people like you; a > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > JUST YOU. > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of. > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass > and go to work and earn your own living. > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > Welfare check to come with this information but at > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > below; I could not resist the > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > and help my fellow man!!! > Steve > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > out of the way." > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > such a direct response. > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > /Robert Skinner > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 10 12:58:12 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 10 11:58:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe In-Reply-To: <00e401c56dd4$2d93ea50$3de1e183@fermi.win.fnal.gov> Message-ID: <000101c56dd5$34d8c410$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Ron, That being true, there is the problem of newbie's, lurkers, those who are not computer savvy, and just to total volume of trash generated. He was using language inappropriate for a sailing forum and worse he was making outright personal attacks. Politics is one thing but he was way beyond that. We are waiting for your report on sailing your boat to Georgia Bay. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Lipton Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:51 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe I would like to remind folks that all e-mail clients have a spam blocker that allows you to turn off specific addresses. I have not received any of Steve's posts for a year. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > Steve, > Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and unnecessary. I > appreciate that you think you are a long timer with special status, but you > are abusing the list. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > Robert > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work only show your lack of > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > country doing; we are going after them. It is always > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you > protested that war. This country had the capitality > to free those people & because of people like you; a > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > JUST YOU. > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of. > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass > and go to work and earn your own living. > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > Welfare check to come with this information but at > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > below; I could not resist the > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > and help my fellow man!!! > Steve > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > out of the way." > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > such a direct response. > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > /Robert Skinner > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Fri Jun 10 13:04:31 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:04:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Army Enlistment In-Reply-To: <000201c56db0$7916dba0$8f908c41@yourb8ed622a9f> References: <000201c56db0$7916dba0$8f908c41@yourb8ed622a9f> Message-ID: <42A9BA0F.4080003@effros.com> Philip, When you have the time I would very much like to know the reasons you would not counsel any young person to join the army, and what you think the army could do to change your advice. Bill Effros Philip Esteban wrote: >Brad, > It is a good move to push the Air Force. After 31 years of both USMC >and US Army service, I would not counsel any young person to join the Army >(the reasons are too long to go into here). I do tell the kids if they are >full of P*ss and Vinegar and want to Shoot, Move and Communicate, the USMC >is their best prospect for training and esprit de corps, however; if they >want a good tour, making the same money, in decent quarters and great >training/education opportunities, the Air Force is the way to go. The Navy >is ok, but you spend a lot of time on "floats". In the end, if you are >injured or wounded, the Army tends to kick you to the kerb. You can >ultimately get treated but you have to fight for it. The pat' answer is "go >to the VA". > >Philip > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:50 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD > > >Wally, > >First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' Ford? >You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying that in >this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be a >nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if not >something bigger down the road. Bad timing for him. >His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail for >being a crook, but for the race card which will >surely be played, just like it was for Harold, Senior. > I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his secure >congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's his >life. The only Republican announced against him is >that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. > >I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long row >to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of >enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but we'll >see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" >between your political beliefs and reality. > >Brad > > > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > >>Brad, >> >>My nephew emails me every month or so with updates >>from Iraq. It does seem >>we are making progress. In the end history will be >>the judge. >> >>How about your boy Ford. It sure doesn't take much >>to buy a TN politician. >>:-0 >> >>Wally >> >> >> >>>From: brad haslett >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on >>> >>> >>WMD >> >> >>>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>Wally, >>> >>>Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a >>>helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had a >>>jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who was >>>meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" with >>> >>> >>our >> >> >>>chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot >>> >>> >>job >> >> >>>interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his >>> >>> >>friend >> >> >>>who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had been >>>activated. She was home on medical leave because >>> >>> >>of a >> >> >>>broken foot (not combat related). >>> >>>Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive >>> >>> >>progress >> >> >>>is being made that isn't being reported by the MSM. >>>The military is putting a great deal of efforts >>>turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, soccer >>>fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were >>> >>> >>happy >> >> >>>we were there and more than happy that Saddam is >>> >>> >>gone, >> >> >>>but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of >>>oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the >>> >>> >>bad >> >> >>>guys are difficult to identify because people are >>>scared to turn them in, not that the average Iraqi >>>supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the cops >>> >>> >>if >> >> >>>we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal >>>activity. There, they and their family are killed >>> >>> >>if >> >> >>>they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's >>> >>> >>but >> >> >>>jihadists from other countries. It will continue >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>be a problem for some time. She felt good about >>> >>> >>her >> >> >>>duty there and supported the war but expressed that >>>morale was fading amongst the troops because of the >>>long and extended deployments. I asked her >>>specifically what her take was on WMD and she gave >>> >>> >>me >> >> >>>this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you >>> >>> >>ever >> >> >>>made a decision in the jet based on the information >>>you had at the time and realized later there were >>>other options? Bush made a decision on the intel he >>>was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". >>> >>> >>For >> >> >>>the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her >>> >>> >>service >> >> >>>and thought she and her unit were having a positive >>>impact. >>> >>>Some people don't support the war because they just >>>don't like war. Who does? Most of the >>> >>> >>non-supporters >> >> >>>just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this >>> >>> >>thing >> >> >>>and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi >>>people for us to abandon them at this point. We >>> >>> >>did >> >> >>>that once. We've had a huge military presence in >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>Middle East and Europe for a long time and now >>> >>> >>those >> >> >>>assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a >>> >>> >>lameduck >> >> >>>now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just >>> >>> >>as I >> >> >>>have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. >>> >>> >>No >> >> >>>matter who the next President is (my current money >>> >>> >>is >> >> >>>on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. >>> >>>Brad >>> >>>--- Wally Buck wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Ed, >>>> >>>>Thanks for changing the sugject line but my post >>>> >>>> >>was >> >> >>>>not about "WMDs". >>>>Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is >>>> >>>> >>not >> >> >>>>Iraq". >>>> >>>>The funny thing is I have never questioned that >>>> >>>> >>Iraq >> >> >>>>had "WMDs". I have >>>>questioned what level of threat Iraq was to our >>>>National Security and our >>>>motives for attacking when we did. This is very >>>> >>>> >>hard >> >> >>>>for many to understand. >>>> >>>>You are correct that the nukes were not in Cuba. >>>> >>>> >>I >> >> >>>>apologize for the error. >>>>The USSR was building the missle pads and >>>> >>>> >>facilities >> >> >>>>to store and launch >>>>Russian nukes in Cuba. The Soviets also had >>>> >>>> >>bombers >> >> >>>>based in Cuba. There was >>>>a real threat to our National Security. Also >>>> >>>> >>note >> >> >>>>that this was settled with >>>>out a war. This was my point. Not much to >>>> >>>> >>compare >> >> >>>>with Iraq. >>>> >>>>I do understand that WMDs involve gas, >>>> >>>> >>biological, >> >> >>>>and other means. I am >>>>quite sure that stuff is missing as you say. >>>> >>>> >>This >> >> >>>>problem is not limited to >>>>Iraq. Again this was not the point of my post. >>>> >>>> >>The >> >> >>>>situation in Cuba then >>>>and Iraq now is quite different. To say >>>> >>>> >>differently >> >> >>>>is to ignore history. >>>> >>>>Wally >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "ed kroposki" >>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD >>>>>Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:18:21 -0400 >>>>> >>>>>Wally, >>>>> WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>such as gas, bio, et >>>> >>>> >>>>>al. The issue was preventing them getting >>>>> >>>>> >>nuc's, >> >> >>>>not that they already had >>>> >>>> >>>>>them. The same issue now next door in Iran. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Furthermore, nuclear is not >>>> >>>> >>>>>limited to bomb explosives but also bomb >>>>> >>>>> >>results, >> >> >>>>ie, dirty explosives that >>>> >>>> >>>>>contaminate. >>>>> There was a complaint issued by the U.N. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>inspectors recently about >>>> >>>> >>>>>missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone >>>>> >>>>> >>missing >> >> >>>>since the start of the >>>> >>>> >>>>>war. If there was not problem, why are the >>>>> >>>>> >>U.N. >> >> >>>>inspectors complaining >>>> >>>> >>>>>about missing nuclear stuff now? >>>>> I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, >>>>> >>>>> >>but >> >> >>>>your last comment >>>> >>>> >>>>>was not accurate. Humpf. >>>>> >>>>>Ed K >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Behalf Of Wally Buck >>>> >>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM >>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on >>>>> >>>>> >>D-Day >> >> >=== message truncated === > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 10:06:34 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:06:38 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050610160634.46990.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wally, Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If my schedule works out this September I'm going to take the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I haven't actually done the math but I think I can do it in about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days just to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I hook-up with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes some time to recover. Brad --- Wally Buck wrote: > Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to your > end of the river. I > have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I need > to get off my a** and > get it done. > > Wally > > >From: "anima13" > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > > > >Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop here > and say the sailing is > >better > >here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. > >Anne > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > Behalf Of J Cook > >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > > > > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our > boat out from the St > >John's River, which is nice during the winter but I > don't like it as much > >during the summer. She (our boat) spent last > hurricane season moored out > >in > >the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to > make a run for it this > >year. > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple > of times. That's a full > >day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part > of boating, but even if I > >take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull > speed. > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler > weather of late. > > > >Joseph > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Quinn > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail > list > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I > think you are just running > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. > Kathy and I were supposed to > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we > cancelled out. > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Cook" > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or > favorite places for extended > > vacationing with the R22 that our list members > may have. Maybe some > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a > nice B&B or hotel once > >in > >a > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a > little warm down here > >in > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a > few degrees to the north. > > > > Joseph > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? > >www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From bill at effros.com Fri Jun 10 13:15:16 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:15:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Naked Truth Revisited In-Reply-To: <20050610154901.27962.qmail@web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050610154901.27962.qmail@web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A9BC94.2000602@effros.com> Brad, No problem revisiting that story. What are FAQs and friends for? > Dear Rhodies, > > My better judgement tells me not to share this story, > but what the hell! You have to expect that when you > fly for a living for over 30 years, sooner or later, > something bad is going to happen. Like all aviation > accidents, small events take place that don't seem > like a big deal at the time, but, later come back to > bite you in the ass. > > I've been flying Memphis to Washington Dulles all > week. A good trip, excellent crew, nice layover. > Last night I went out for a sandwich and a couple of > beers and went to bed around ten. Sometime in the wee > hours of the morning it was time to get rid of the > beer. I got out of bed and stumbled to the bathroom, > opened the door, took two more steps, and heard the > door close behind me. WAIT! WHAT THE ####. Oh shit! > I'm in the g@#d#$d hallway NAKED! Don't panic, don't > panic, find the house phone and call the front desk, > have the night watchman bring a new key. Good > thinking Bradley! So I slink down to the elevator > where the house phone is, as best one can slink with > no clothes on. F#$%, they don't have a house phone! > SHIT! OK, OK, THINK! I slink back to my room and > notice the room next to mine has a DO NOT DISTURB sign > in the key card slot. Maybe I can use it to open my > door or if not, wake that person up and have them > call. Jeezo Peezo is this going to be embarrassing. > Folks, when those doors lock, you're not going to > jimmy it open with a plastic card. So, I start > knocking. No answer, shit! Don't panic, don't panic. > What the hell am I talking about? You're bare ass > naked in a hotel you dipshit. Panic, this is not > going to look good on a resume. OK, OK, you have to > go to the front desk. I slink to the other end of the > hallway to the stairwell past the Coke machine. Hey > wait a minute, there's a liner in the trash can. Its > clear, not black, but its something! I pull the liner > out and fashion a loin cloth of sorts. Try riding an > elevator eight floors naked without feeling just a we > bit self-concious. Fortunately, the elevator lands > within sight of the front desk. Even more fortunate, > the night clerk is actually there, not sleeping in the > back as usual. And its a HE. "Hey buddy! I locked > myself out of my room and I need you to bring a key to > 807 ASAP. I mean, right now! 807! He shows up two > minutes later with a key and a really bad aviation > disaster that could have gotten even worse was > avoided. > > Like all accidents, there's lessons to be learned. > Let me share this lesson with you. LOCK THE DAMNED > DOOR TO YOUR HOTEL ROOM WHEN YOU GO TO BED! a brad haslett wrote: >Phillip, > >Thanks for the "gouge". He put in an application at >FedEx this week to work in the hub. I can't do >anything to accelerate his hiring - if they find out >his dad is a crewmember it would probably be the kiss >of death - the company always blames us prima donnas >for everyone else not getting a raise. We're in >contract negotiations right now so the same old BS is >flying. Anyway, I think Alex's best bet would be to >get on here and then join the local Air National Guard >unit. They just got C5's and are building a new >airport facility (we're getting their old one). I work >with a lot of the officers in the unit and could >provide some help there. He's already said he doesn't >want to get stuck on a boat. His grandfather on his >mother's side is retired Army Special Forces. He's >said much the same thing to him as you did about the >Army. Unfortunately, I didn't do a very good job of >dividing up the work ethic and motivation between my >two sons. The oldest I have to throttle back >constantly and the youngest seems to always need a >kick in the ass. Right now the youngest is >discovering the joys of poverty and has finally >figured out he needs to do something. > >If Alex can get on at the hub and in the Memphis Guard >it will be the best of both worlds. FedEx will pay >for college as well as the Guard. I promised to put >the equivalent amount in an IRA for him. Of course at >19 he has no idea what an IRA is or why anyone would >want to put money away that couldn't be spent for 40 >years. The Memphis Guard has been getting activated >alot lately but mostly its trips to the desert and >back. I met a guy in the bar at Tysons Corner outside >DC last night who's made some trips to/from Baghdad. >He said the airport was opening up to passenger >traffic this week but they're still using special >approach procedures. There are a lot of SAMs out >there and still unaccounted for Stingers from >Afghanastan. After seeing the photos and reading the >story of the DHL Airbus that took a missle through the >engine, I'm glad I don't fly there. My biggest worry >is making sure that when I get up in the middle of the >night to go pee, I'm really in the bathroom (long >story from before you arrived here that I don't want >to repeat.) > >Brad > >--- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: > > > >>Brad, >> It is a good move to push the Air Force. After >>31 years of both USMC >>and US Army service, I would not counsel any young >>person to join the Army >>(the reasons are too long to go into here). I do >>tell the kids if they are >>full of P*ss and Vinegar and want to Shoot, Move and >>Communicate, the USMC >>is their best prospect for training and esprit de >>corps, however; if they >>want a good tour, making the same money, in decent >>quarters and great >>training/education opportunities, the Air Force is >>the way to go. The Navy >>is ok, but you spend a lot of time on "floats". In >>the end, if you are >>injured or wounded, the Army tends to kick you to >>the kerb. You can >>ultimately get treated but you have to fight for it. >> The pat' answer is "go >>to the VA". >> >>Philip >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf >>Of brad haslett >>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:50 PM >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on >>WMD >> >> >>Wally, >> >>First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' Ford? >>You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying that >>in >>this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be a >>nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if >>not >>something bigger down the road. Bad timing for him. >>His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail >>for >>being a crook, but for the race card which will >>surely be played, just like it was for Harold, >>Senior. >> I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his >>secure >>congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's his >>life. The only Republican announced against him is >>that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. >> >>I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long >>row >>to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of >>enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but we'll >>see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" >>between your political beliefs and reality. >> >>Brad >> >> >> >>--- Wally Buck wrote: >> >> >> >>>Brad, >>> >>>My nephew emails me every month or so with updates >>>from Iraq. It does seem >>>we are making progress. In the end history will be >>>the judge. >>> >>>How about your boy Ford. It sure doesn't take much >>>to buy a TN politician. >>>:-0 >>> >>>Wally >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: brad haslett >>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not >>>> >>>> >>on >> >> >>>WMD >>> >>> >>>>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) >>>> >>>>Wally, >>>> >>>>Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a >>>>helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had >>>> >>>> >>a >> >> >>>>jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who >>>> >>>> >>was >> >> >>>>meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" >>>> >>>> >>with >> >> >>>our >>> >>> >>>>chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot >>>> >>>> >>>job >>> >>> >>>>interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his >>>> >>>> >>>friend >>> >>> >>>>who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had >>>> >>>> >>been >> >> >>>>activated. She was home on medical leave because >>>> >>>> >>>of a >>> >>> >>>>broken foot (not combat related). >>>> >>>>Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive >>>> >>>> >>>progress >>> >>> >>>>is being made that isn't being reported by the >>>> >>>> >>MSM. >> >> >>>>The military is putting a great deal of efforts >>>>turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, >>>> >>>> >>soccer >> >> >>>>fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were >>>> >>>> >>>happy >>> >>> >>>>we were there and more than happy that Saddam is >>>> >>>> >>>gone, >>> >>> >>>>but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of >>>>oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the >>>> >>>> >>>bad >>> >>> >>>>guys are difficult to identify because people are >>>>scared to turn them in, not that the average >>>> >>>> >>Iraqi >> >> >>>>supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the >>>> >>>> >>cops >> >> >>>if >>> >>> >>>>we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal >>>>activity. There, they and their family are >>>> >>>> >>killed >> >> >>>if >>> >>> >>>>they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's >>>> >>>> >>>but >>> >>> >>>>jihadists from other countries. It will continue >>>> >>>> >>>to >>> >>> >>>>be a problem for some time. She felt good about >>>> >>>> >>>her >>> >>> >>>>duty there and supported the war but expressed >>>> >>>> >>that >> >> >>>>morale was fading amongst the troops because of >>>> >>>> >>the >> >> >>>>long and extended deployments. I asked her >>>>specifically what her take was on WMD and she >>>> >>>> >>gave >> >> >>>me >>> >>> >>>>this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you >>>> >>>> >>>ever >>> >>> >>>>made a decision in the jet based on the >>>> >>>> >>information >> >> >>>>you had at the time and realized later there were >>>>other options? Bush made a decision on the intel >>>> >>>> >>he >> >> >>>>was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". >>>> >>>> >>>For >>> >>> >>>>the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her >>>> >>>> >>>service >>> >>> >>>>and thought she and her unit were having a >>>> >>>> >>positive >> >> >>>>impact. >>>> >>>>Some people don't support the war because they >>>> >>>> >>just >> >> >>>>don't like war. Who does? Most of the >>>> >>>> >>>non-supporters >>> >>> >>>>just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this >>>> >>>> >>>thing >>> >>> >>>>and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi >>>>people for us to abandon them at this point. We >>>> >>>> >>>did >>> >>> >>>>that once. We've had a huge military presence in >>>> >>>> >>>the >>> >>> >>>>Middle East and Europe for a long time and now >>>> >>>> >>>those >>> >>> >>>>assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a >>>> >>>> >>>lameduck >>> >>> >>>>now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just >>>> >>>> >>>as I >>> >>> >>>>have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. >>>> >>>> >>>No >>> >>> >>>>matter who the next President is (my current >>>> >>>> >>money >> >> >>>is >>> >>> >>>>on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. >>>> >>>>Brad >>>> >>>>--- Wally Buck wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Ed, >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for changing the sugject line but my >>>>> >>>>> >>post >> >> >>>was >>> >>> >>>>>not about "WMDs". >>>>>Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is >>>>> >>>>> >>>not >>> >>> >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From wewickman at duke-energy.com Fri Jun 10 13:29:46 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:30:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's outer banks trip Message-ID: I didn't take any pictures traveling up Core Sound until that night once we got anchored. I was in survival mode and picture taking was the last thing on my mind. I didn't see any good anchorages along Core Sound past Atlantic. The charts looked like there might be something south, but my steerage was really bad at the time and with the deteriorating weather and waves, I didn't want to venture out of the channel at all. The cut before Cedar Island is pretty well marked, but I was surprised that the waves were almost as rough as Core Sound even though there was a land mass blocking the long fetch that existed in the Sound. I think the high winds resulted in any open water area being rough. In calmer weather, navigation would be a walk in the park. The bridge was a new high rise with plenty of clearance. The final cut over to West Bay was very narrow and VERY shallow at the edges. You really have to stay in the channel through this stretch, even with a 20" draft. I made the mental mistake of passing the green markers to port and red to starboard through the entire channel; or at least until I ran aground north of the bridge. The channel markers change over once you pass under the bridge to where you should pass with the green to starboard. I don't know why they did that , but the mistake cost me some anxious moments of getting unstuck while the wind blasted the boat further onto the shoal and the weather called for lightening and gusts up to 60 mph later that evening. After getting unstuck, there was some really nice anchorage past the cut. It is all wildlife refuge so there is absolutely no development for miles around. It is mostly marshland and really quite beautiful. We rode out the storm nicely there. Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | "ed kroposki" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/10/2005 11:45 AM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's outer banks trip | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Bill: Fantastic, your sunset scene will now replace Peter's! Furthermore, maybe those shots will entice some other Rhodies to the area. Are you hiding anymore? Did you take any shots while motoring up the channel by Atlantic and Davis? Did you see any moorings in those areas. How was the trip in the cut before Cedar Island? Was there a draw bridge involved? Or is that where they put that new high rise bridge? Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer? I think that might be in order for taking pictures. I do not have the autopilot. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mkaynor at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 13:33:42 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:34:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] UPS and sail trim In-Reply-To: <42A9BC94.2000602@effros.com> Message-ID: <42a9c0f6.2519cd9c.26c0.ffffae7a@mx.gmail.com> All, Just before we left Blacksburg for Deltaville I was just going through some back issues of Cruising World and came a cross a three articles in the May (I'm pretty sure it was May) issue regarding light wind sailing. They discuss code 0 sails like the Doyle UPS, and have some good downwind / lightwind techniques. In the same vein, this web site has been being discussed on the Tayana site and seems like it would be of benefit to any sailor who wants to learn how to better trim their sails: http://www.arvelgentry.com/index.html The fellow who posted the link included the following: I've mentioned several times about the precision of sail trim and its ease in doing so. The following URLs are the recently recompiled Arvel Gentry website that contain the 'seminal' articles of the aerodynamics of sails written by the penultimate sailor/aerodynamicist that radically changed the way that sailors interpret the flow, trim and other 'goodies' about sails. Gentry was the one who 'de-bunked' the slot effect, and perhaps is the ONLY one who correctly explained the interaction of a staysail flown under a genoa. Gentry's articles 'revolutionized' the way sailors interpreted and set their sails, and in effect was the 'secret weapon' used by the American entries of the America's Cup boats .... you remember back when the US boats WON. And The articles on "Gentry Tufts" (sail trim, better close winded, etc.) that appeared in Sail Magazine were the 'landmark'. I got introduced to these articles (then top secret info) by several crew members of Americas Cup boats in the 70s-80s ..... and from then on I hardly ever got less than a second place when racing. Gentry was the 'aero' consultant to the American ACup boats for about 15 years. Those AC boats weren't better than their competitors, they were 'sailed better' due to the Gentry Tufts, etc. More importantly the 'tuft system' will allow you to keep sailing your Tayana when other boats are either turning on their engines ... or are heaving-to. FYI, for those that are strictly non-technical the "Sail Trim Guide" by Don Guilette (a world class C30 racer) is a wonderful guide to sail trim and shaping. Don took the Gentry articles and boiled them down into *very* simple and easy to understand directions (without lengthy explanation) .... available from www.sailboatowners.com. Don's guide will promote good sail draft location, proper amount of sail draft, as well as other important trim/shape considerations (twist, etc.) . Well worth the few $$. Mark Kaynor From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 10:36:09 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:36:13 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill's Video Message-ID: <20050610163610.45171.qmail@web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, Well, at least we can be thankful no one took photos and I still don't have video on the net. Here's yours. http://www.5-daysale.com/about_media.htm Brad __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wewickman at duke-energy.com Fri Jun 10 13:31:16 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:36:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's outer banks trip Message-ID: Actually, it is a sunrise scene, so I guess Peter's photo still stands and I get honors for sunrise. Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | "ed kroposki" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/10/2005 11:45 AM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's outer banks trip | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Bill: Fantastic, your sunset scene will now replace Peter's! Furthermore, maybe those shots will entice some other Rhodies to the area. Are you hiding anymore? Did you take any shots while motoring up the channel by Atlantic and Davis? Did you see any moorings in those areas. How was the trip in the cut before Cedar Island? Was there a draw bridge involved? Or is that where they put that new high rise bridge? Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer? I think that might be in order for taking pictures. I do not have the autopilot. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Fri Jun 10 13:37:05 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:37:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints In-Reply-To: <20050610160634.46990.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050610160634.46990.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A9C1B1.1090807@effros.com> I've traveled far and wide in this country in pursuit of BBQ joints (One of the few foods not readily available in outstanding quality around NYC). I'd love to know people's favorites, the type of BBQ considered their specialty, and driving instructions. Bill Effros brad haslett wrote: >Wally, > >Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, >you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on >Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If my >schedule works out this September I'm going to take >the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I haven't >actually done the math but I think I can do it in >about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days just >to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I hook-up >with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes >some time to recover. > >Brad > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > >>Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to your >>end of the river. I >>have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I need >>to get off my a** and >>get it done. >> >>Wally >> >> >> >>>From: "anima13" >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>> >>> >>areas >> >> >>>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 >>> >>>Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop here >>> >>> >>and say the sailing is >> >> >>>better >>>here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. >>>Anne >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On >>> >>> >>Behalf Of J Cook >> >> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>> >>> >>areas >> >> >>>We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our >>> >>> >>boat out from the St >> >> >>>John's River, which is nice during the winter but I >>> >>> >>don't like it as much >> >> >>>during the summer. She (our boat) spent last >>> >>> >>hurricane season moored out >> >> >>>in >>>the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to >>> >>> >>make a run for it this >> >> >>>year. >>> >>>We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple >>> >>> >>of times. That's a full >> >> >>>day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part >>> >>> >>of boating, but even if I >> >> >>>take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull >>> >>> >>speed. >> >> >>>I've just been having fantasies about some cooler >>> >>> >>weather of late. >> >> >>>Joseph >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Robert Quinn >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail >>> >>> >>list >> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>> >>> >>areas >> >> >>> J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I >>> >>> >>think you are just running >> >> >>> from the storm brewing to the south of us. >>> >>> >>Kathy and I were supposed to >> >> >>> head down to Marathon today for a week but we >>> >>> >>cancelled out. >> >> >>> Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. >>> >>> Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "J Cook" >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas >>> >>> >>> Just wondering, what might be some ideas or >>> >>> >>favorite places for extended >> >> >>> vacationing with the R22 that our list members >>> >>> >>may have. Maybe some >> >> >>> favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a >>> >>> >>nice B&B or hotel once >> >> >>>in >>>a >>> while and some good restaurants. It's getting a >>> >>> >>little warm down here >> >> >>>in >>> Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a >>> >>> >>few degrees to the north. >> >> >>> Joseph >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >> >> >>> Use >>> >>> >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > > >>Help? >> >> >>>www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >> >> >>> Use >>> >>> >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > > >>Help? >> >> >>>www.rhodes22.org/list >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>> >>> >>www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>> >>> >>www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/ >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 10:41:11 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:41:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints In-Reply-To: <42A9C1B1.1090807@effros.com> Message-ID: <20050610164111.32973.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, Corky's here in the BBQ capital of the world is considered among the best. They FedEx nationwide. Let me know what address you want it sent to and I'll ship some. Come down here for Memphis in May, a month long music and BBQ festival. There are a lot of things I don't like about Memphis but two things we've got plenty of are BBQ joints and churches. Brad --- Bill Effros wrote: > I've traveled far and wide in this country in > pursuit of BBQ joints (One > of the few foods not readily available in > outstanding quality around > NYC). I'd love to know people's favorites, the type > of BBQ considered > their specialty, and driving instructions. > > Bill Effros > > brad haslett wrote: > > >Wally, > > > >Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, > >you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on > >Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If > my > >schedule works out this September I'm going to take > >the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I > haven't > >actually done the math but I think I can do it in > >about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days > just > >to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I > hook-up > >with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes > >some time to recover. > > > >Brad > > > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > > > > > >>Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to > your > >>end of the river. I > >>have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I > need > >>to get off my a** and > >>get it done. > >> > >>Wally > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: "anima13" > >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > >>> > >>> > >>areas > >> > >> > >>>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > >>> > >>>Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop > here > >>> > >>> > >>and say the sailing is > >> > >> > >>>better > >>>here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. > >>>Anne > >>> > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > >>> > >>> > >>Behalf Of J Cook > >> > >> > >>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM > >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > >>> > >>> > >>areas > >> > >> > >>>We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled > our > >>> > >>> > >>boat out from the St > >> > >> > >>>John's River, which is nice during the winter but > I > >>> > >>> > >>don't like it as much > >> > >> > >>>during the summer. She (our boat) spent last > >>> > >>> > >>hurricane season moored out > >> > >> > >>>in > >>>the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to > >>> > >>> > >>make a run for it this > >> > >> > >>>year. > >>> > >>>We've trailered her to the Keys from here a > couple > >>> > >>> > >>of times. That's a full > >> > >> > >>>day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part > >>> > >>> > >>of boating, but even if I > >> > >> > >>>take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the > hull > >>> > >>> > >>speed. > >> > >> > >>>I've just been having fantasies about some cooler > >>> > >>> > >>weather of late. > >> > >> > >>>Joseph > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Robert > Quinn > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail > >>> > >>> > >>list > >> > >> > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > >>> > >>> > >>areas > >> > >> > >>> J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I > >>> > >>> > >>think you are just running > >> > >> > >>> from the storm brewing to the south of us. > >>> > >>> > >>Kathy and I were supposed to > >> > >> > >>> head down to Marathon today for a week but we > >>> > >>> > >>cancelled out. > >> > >> > >>> Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > >>> > >>> Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "J Cook" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >>> > >>> > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From pthorn at nc.rr.com Fri Jun 10 13:56:44 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:55:17 2005 Subject: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Open Invitation Message-ID: <001a01c56ddd$61d3d600$660fa8c0@dell330> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thorn" To: "William E. Wickman" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Open Invitation > Bill W, > > Wonderful! Look forward to seeing you in September. > > Just saw your derigging photo of the Oriental Wildlife ramp. The area in > the background, just at the tow of the bridge berm slope, is soon to be > covered with expensive condos. This is not good news for small boat > sailors. > > The "Oriental Sailing Social", a one-design small boat regatta traditionally > held at that Wilfdlife ramp the weekend after July 4th, has been cancelled, > probably permanently. As a result of that condo development, there is no > longer anyplace for the 40 or so trailers and cars to park. No parking, no > sailboat race! > > The "Edenton Bay Challenge", another one-design regatta, is taking up the > slack. The Edenton Tourism Bureau actually likes the idea of having > picturesque small boat regattas, so they are quite welcoming to out of town > sailors. > > This would be a good time and place for a Rhodes 22 gathering as well, July > 9-10. The Edenton Bay Challenge organizers invited R22 folks to eat with > them Saturday night under the big tent. Racing would be optional. > > So, there's another opportunity for a Rhodes 22 get together. I plan to be > racing my Tanzer that weekend, but it woud be nice to meet a few Rhodies for > real. > > PT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William E. Wickman" > To: "Peter Thorn" ; "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Open Invitation > > > > > > I've got my calendar marked. Keep us posted as you float plan develops. > > Maybe we could even talk Stan into taking a vacation and coming with us! > > > > Bill W. > > > > > > > > > > |---------+----------------------------------> > > | | "Peter Thorn" | > > | | | > > | | Sent by: | > > | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| > > | | hodes22.org | > > | | | > > | | | > > | | 06/10/2005 10:51 AM | > > | | Please respond to Peter| > > | | Thorn; Please respond | > > | | to The Rhodes 22 mail | > > | | list | > > | | | > > |---------+----------------------------------> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------| > > | > | > > | To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > | > > | cc: > | > > | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Open Invitation > | > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > > > > > Bill W et al, > > > > Would you like to join us over Labor Day sailing from Oriental to > Ocracoke? > > So far, our small fleet includes R22 "Raven" and Lawrence Miller's Tanzer > > 26 > > "XKE", slipped at Whitaker Creek, Oriental. The date is all that's > planned > > so far and the more the merrier. > > > > Any interested Rhodies~ come on down (up, across, whatever)! All plans > > are > > subject to the weather. > > > > PT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William E. Wickman" > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination > > > > > > > > > > I'd love to take Wally, but my car will be jamed with three kids and a > > > wife. > > > > > > OK to prove it to you, I have attached a picture of the Cape Lookout > > > lighthouse. And one of our neighbor at the anchorage. And one of the > > > lanuch ramp in Oriental (note the sunken sailboat across the channel). > > And > > > a few others. Note the missing anchor off the bow pulpit (I lost it > > > earlier that day in rough seas) and the beautiful blue skies in the > > > derigging photo. It is amazing how rapidly and extreme the weather can > > > change in the Outer Banks. > > > > > > I actually took a bunch of pictures the first couple of days, but didn't > > > want to overload the listserve. > > > > > > I would really like to take another trip out there sometime, and its not > > > just about getting back on the horse I fell off of. It is really > > > beautiful. On my redo, if I take the family, I would trailer to > Beaufort > > > and sail to Cape Lookout and sail the local area for a couple of days. > > Or, > > > for a longer venue, I would go back to Oriental and sail to Ocracoke, > and > > > then out of Ocracoke inlet (if conditions were right) and down the coast > > to > > > Cape Lookout. I think that sailing out of Ocracoke inlet from the > inside > > > would be less daunting because you have more options for turning back if > > it > > > looks bad than if you sail all the way up the coast. > > > > > > Bill W. > > > > > > (See attached file: orientalramp.jpg)(See attached file: > > > USCG_capelookout.jpg)(See attached file: lighthousesunrise.jpg)(See > > > attached file: beaufort_inlet.jpg)(See attached file: > > > oriental_derigging.jpg) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |---------+----------------------------------> > > > | | "ed kroposki" | > > > | | | > > > | | Sent by: | > > > | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| > > > | | hodes22.org | > > > | | | > > > | | | > > > | | 06/10/2005 09:49 AM | > > > | | Please respond to The | > > > | | Rhodes 22 mail list | > > > | | | > > > |---------+----------------------------------> > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---------------------------------------------------| > > > | > > | > > > | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > > > | > > > | cc: > > | > > > | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination > > | > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill: > > > Too bad you can not take Wally with you. He has been > > wanting > > > to > > > that area for several years. > > > I presume that you had a digital camera for your trip to > the > > > outer > > > banks. Does it take memory chips? For about $30 you can get another > > one. > > > Very few pictures of your last trip. Oh, you need to get a tiller tamer > > to > > > free your hands? > > > I did check back thru the pictures you sent, and I never > saw > > > the > > > Cape Lookout Light house. I am wondering if you fudged that segment of > > the > > > episode. Document your locations with pictures that we can verify. > > > Beaufort was quite accurate. You did have the Harbor Masters quarters > in > > > one picture. > > > In the past there was a R22 in Mobile, but I believe it was > > > sold. > > > As far as I can tell there is no one on the list currently familiar with > > > the > > > coast in that area. So, the rest of the US and Canada will be waiting > > for > > > your reports. > > > + > > > Ed K > > > Greenville, SC, USA > > > Look here, they have screened in Lulu's: > > > www.liveeyenet.com/lulus/ > > > Go to Panama City and stop there. Give your business buddies some > > > atmosphere. Sit a table in camera view. Let us know when you will be > > > there. > > > Get somebody to do a screen picture capture. The place is on the ICW. I > > > guess they are trying to control the bugs (no see ums). > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > Name: orientalramp.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 564658 bytes Desc: not > > available > > > Url: > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/orientalramp.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > Name: USCG_capelookout.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 343899 bytes Desc: not > > available > > > Url: > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/USCG_capelookout.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > Name: lighthousesunrise.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 425142 bytes Desc: > not > > available > > > Url: > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/lighthousesunrise.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > Name: beaufort_inlet.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 378686 bytes Desc: not > > available > > > Url: > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/beaufort_inlet.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > Name: oriental_derigging.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 487901 bytes Desc: > > not > > available > > > Url: > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/oriental_derigging.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > From pthorn at nc.rr.com Fri Jun 10 13:57:48 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe References: <000001c56d06$18b1e430$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> <00e401c56dd4$2d93ea50$3de1e183@fermi.win.fnal.gov> Message-ID: <002701c56ddd$883e9550$660fa8c0@dell330> Ron, Just for the record, me too PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Lipton" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > I would like to remind folks that all e-mail clients have a > spam blocker that allows you to turn off specific addresses. > I have not received any of Steve's posts for a year. > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ed kroposki" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:15 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > > > > Steve, > > Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and unnecessary. I > > appreciate that you think you are a long timer with special status, but > you > > are abusing the list. > > > > Ed K > > Greenville, SC, USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > > Robert > > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > > understand how the world work only show your lack of > > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go > > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > > country doing; we are going after them. It is always > > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to > > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you > > protested that war. This country had the capitality > > to free those people & because of people like you; a > > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > > JUST YOU. > > > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing that > > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits > > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not > > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > > proud of. > > > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass > > and go to work and earn your own living. > > > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - > > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > > Welfare check to come with this information but at > > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > > below; I could not resist the > > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > > and help my fellow man!!! > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > > out of the way." > > > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > > such a direct response. > > > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > > > /Robert Skinner > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Fri Jun 10 13:57:32 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Fri Jun 10 12:57:47 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas In-Reply-To: References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c56d57$5c196e40$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <42A9C67C.1070903@effros.com> Joseph, My plan to someday trailer down to the Keys has become something of a bad joke, like the Cubs winning the World Series, still, any information you could provide would be welcome, and will surely go into my personal FAQ. Bill Effros J Cook wrote: >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as much during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out in the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this year. > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's a full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. > >Joseph > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Quinn > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running > from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to > head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Cook" > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended > vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. > > Joseph > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Fri Jun 10 14:35:16 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Fri Jun 10 13:35:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A9CF54.6030008@effros.com> Phyllis, Sorry you felt scolded last fall. As you have no doubt noticed, people sometimes get testy on the list, and if you just happen to be on the receiving end, it can alter your behavior in ways not truly intended. As a general rule, I think new people should be aware of, and use Tom Evans' amazing FAQ--something he put together himself, and for which he was never sufficiently thanked. http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html Failing to easily find an answer there, I think it is perfectly acceptable for any new person to throw the question out to the list. I keep my own personal FAQ, which I index when I have the time, and search using Google Desktop when I don't. I save every well-written new piece of information, even if I don't think I'll ever look at it again. It's cheap at the price, and I often look at things I never imagined would be important to me at the time they were posted. Bill Effros P&M Beals wrote: >Bob and Sandra, Thanks for replying... >I only joined this group in Aug.'04. I have kept a lot of the email >responses, and whenever they look extremely useful I even label them by a >helpful search word. I am not an email or computer guru by any stretch... >I use Outlook Express on, yes, a mac, most of the time. Occasionally I will >jump to my teens' p.c. when necessary... >I use google often. >Still, I don't have the foggiest idea how I would go about downloading the >archives....that is my really basic question... > >Will you take this down a few steps lower to my oh so basic level, and try >to explain that? > >I use the www.rhodes22.org site often. > >Last fall I was scolded a bit for asking questions that I should have looked >up in the archives or the rhodes22.org site, so I have become a bit >email-shy about asking questions... > >Ed was nice enough to help try to get me the answer. > >Thanks all. >Phyllis >Whisper >(We had a nice, hot sail Sunday...Raritan Bay) > > > > > >>From: "Robert and Sandra Fuller" >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:06:15 -0400 >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site >> >>You have got to love this site. Where else could a guy who knows little about >>sailing and less about computers find himself referred to as "a guru in >>Florida"? >>Nonetheless, a way to search the archives is to first download whatever >>portion of the archives interests you onto your computer. Then install >>Google's "Desktop Search" and use it to search out the keywords of your topic. >>Bob F. >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Fri Jun 10 14:37:56 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Fri Jun 10 13:38:12 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Joke Message-ID: <42A9CFF4.4070509@effros.com> A chicken and an egg check in to a cheap motel room. Moments later the chicken sits up against the headboard and lights a cigarette. The egg says, "Well, that settles that." From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 10 14:44:28 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Fri Jun 10 13:51:01 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raising The Mast-Hard to believe I made this mistake... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found Slim's set of directions to be very helpful a couple weeks' back. I had saved them in my Rhodes' email file from last September, and I compared Slim's list of the fall to this set, seeing that he included for newbies like me, " with the mast resting on the mast crutch roller in step 2" since we had once begun, having forgotten to install the mast crutch over the transom. We made another mistake, and this is shared, showing our full state of newbie stupidity, here stated for more newbies, wannabes etc. When we went to connect the upper shrouds to their chain plates, I connected to the chain plates on the cabin deck, not the most outer chain plates... We proceeded to hoist the mast, but about 45 degrees up, with the mast leaning over the boat to our left in the boat yard, I commanded us to retreat back down, and anlyze what was wrong here... only to have a helpful boat owner come over, and insist that he help us steer the mast safely up, without having the mast swing out. Eventually we figured out the error, corrected it, and proceeded without further hitch... I share this account so someone else may not make the same stupid mistake in the future, and to say, is there any source for diagrams with shrouds etc. labeled? I seem to recall last fall there was some discussion about someone had thought to undertake this project, but I haven't ever seen a diagram other than the one Stan includes in his Rhodes 22 sales package... I have now added to my personal list of directions, which happens to be a copy of Stan's directions, Slim's above, :"Think upper shrouds to outer chain plates"...I know someone will say how in the world could you have made that mistake?? but I did... Also, for newbies, when raising the mast, allow at least an hour of time, that includes straightening out shrouds...as you are doing it the first few times I stop and check, read and re-read...once so far it has gone without a missed step or a misstake...but otherwise I have had to correct mistakes... however, I also think the mast raising system is a really beautiful system... Now that our boat is in the water on Raritan Bay and we are a 35 minute drive to the boat in ideal driving conditions, and we did have one nice sail last Sunday afternoon, I am faced with the problem that some sailors have which is feeling the wind blow, and wishing I could be on the water sailing right then and there...lucky you lake or shore property owners!! Real estate buzz...a two bedroom, 2 bath condo apt. first floor in Keyport, NJ a step away from the water...asking price $420,000....and Keyport is not a ritzy town, just on the Raritan Bay, though the developers and property values they are arising... > From: Slim > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 03:11:40 -0500 > To: Rhodes > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raising The Mast > > RAISING THE MAST WITH THE GB BOW CRANE: > > WARNING: Never let anyone stand under the mast during the hoisting > > 1. Inspect masthead, attach radio antennae and check shroud and stay > connections to mast > 2. With the mast resting on the mast crutch roller, walk the mast, boom and > jib aft and connect the mast to the tabernacle > 3. Connect hoist crane to cabin top block > 4. Tie the crane winch line to the bow cleat > 5. Connect aft lower shrouds to top of crane > 5a. Alternate: Attach line from crane to mast bail and connect aft lowers > to their chain plates > 6. Connect back stays to their chain plates, making sure back stays are in > front of stern rail. > 7. Connect upper shrouds to their chain plates > 8. Put the 8? extensions on the forward lower shrouds and connect to their > chain plates > 9. Begin raising the mast, continually checking for any shrouds or stays > getting snagged or kinked, making sure the turnbuckles aren?t fowled and > tending the jib as it comes forward > 10. Raise the mast all the way up, keeping tension on the winch until you > connect the bow stay to its chain plate > 11. Disconnect the hoist crane and attach aft lower shrouds to their chain > plates > 12. Remove forward lower shroud extensions and connect shrouds to their > chain plates > 13. Adjust shroud turnbuckles as needed > 14. Connect traveler bar between back stays > 15. Lower the boom and connect it to the traveler > 16. Tighten the back stay tensioning line > 17. Remove mast crutch > 18. Connect rudder asembly to the transom > 19. Connect pop top to mast slider > 20. Connect radio and steaming light > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From hparsons at parsonsys.com Fri Jun 10 14:18:23 2005 From: hparsons at parsonsys.com (Herb Parsons) Date: Fri Jun 10 14:12:18 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints Message-ID: Hah!!, That's funny. I had just given up trying to write a response to him, but couldn't remember the name. I KNEW it was like "Porky's", but couldn't remember the variation. There's a Corky's in New Orleans as well. I was invited by a friend. My wife and I went there, and just for grins, I decided to try their "Dry ribs". No BBQ sauce, but they coat it with a rub. It was great. Don't know if that qualifies as BBQ to a "purist", but I liked it. Herb Parsons S/V O'Jure 1976 O'Day 25 Lake Grapevine, N TX S/V Reve de Papa 1971 Coronado 35 Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast >>> flybrad@yahoo.com 6/10/2005 11:41:11 AM >>> Bill, Corky's here in the BBQ capital of the world is considered among the best. They FedEx nationwide. Let me know what address you want it sent to and I'll ship some. Come down here for Memphis in May, a month long music and BBQ festival. There are a lot of things I don't like about Memphis but two things we've got plenty of are BBQ joints and churches. Brad --- Bill Effros wrote: > I've traveled far and wide in this country in > pursuit of BBQ joints (One > of the few foods not readily available in > outstanding quality around > NYC). I'd love to know people's favorites, the type > of BBQ considered > their specialty, and driving instructions. > > Bill Effros > > brad haslett wrote: > > >Wally, > > > >Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, > >you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on > >Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If > my > >schedule works out this September I'm going to take > >the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I > haven't > >actually done the math but I think I can do it in > >about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days > just > >to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I > hook-up > >with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes > >some time to recover. > > > >Brad > > > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > > > > > >>Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to > your > >>end of the river. I > >>have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I > need > >>to get off my a** and > >>get it done. > >> > >>Wally > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: "anima13" > >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > >>> > >>> > >>areas > >> > >> > >>>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > >>> > >>>Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop > here > >>> > >>> > >>and say the sailing is > >> > >> > >>>better > >>>here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. > >>>Anne > >>> > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > >>> > >>> > >>Behalf Of J Cook > >> > >> > >>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM > >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > >>> > >>> > >>areas > >> > >> > >>>We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled > our > >>> > >>> > >>boat out from the St > >> > >> > >>>John's River, which is nice during the winter but > I > >>> > >>> > >>don't like it as much > >> > >> > >>>during the summer. She (our boat) spent last > >>> > >>> > >>hurricane season moored out > >> > >> > >>>in > >>>the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to > >>> > >>> > >>make a run for it this > >> > >> > >>>year. > >>> > >>>We've trailered her to the Keys from here a > couple > >>> > >>> > >>of times. That's a full > >> > >> > >>>day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part > >>> > >>> > >>of boating, but even if I > >> > >> > >>>take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the > hull > >>> > >>> > >>speed. > >> > >> > >>>I've just been having fantasies about some cooler > >>> > >>> > >>weather of late. > >> > >> > >>>Joseph > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Robert > Quinn > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail > >>> > >>> > >>list > >> > >> > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > >>> > >>> > >>areas > >> > >> > >>> J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I > >>> > >>> > >>think you are just running > >> > >> > >>> from the storm brewing to the south of us. > >>> > >>> > >>Kathy and I were supposed to > >> > >> > >>> head down to Marathon today for a week but we > >>> > >>> > >>cancelled out. > >> > >> > >>> Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > >>> > >>> Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "J Cook" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >>> > >>> > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Fri Jun 10 15:38:00 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Fri Jun 10 14:38:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pete's Plan Message-ID: <42A9DE08.1060807@effros.com> Bruce, I've been having a lot of trouble sending you email back channel--just noticed that this never went through. This was several days ago. Since then my boat has been launched (without incident--a dinghy was my co-pilot). I hosed down the trailer, and left it where it had been, across from yours. Here's the message you never got: Saw Pete at the Point yesterday and learned his plan. He plans to lift your boat off my trailer, bottom paint it, and drop it back on your trailer for launch. I didn't know the plan until yesterday. I'm going to scurry along and launch my boat so the plan can progress--something I should have been doing anyhow. Bill From pthorn at nc.rr.com Fri Jun 10 15:41:23 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Fri Jun 10 14:39:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pete's Plan References: <42A9DE08.1060807@effros.com> Message-ID: <000801c56dec$0069a480$660fa8c0@dell330> Hey Bill, Nice to hear from you -- but it's the wrong Pete. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "R22 List" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pete's Plan > Bruce, > > I've been having a lot of trouble sending you email back channel--just > noticed that this never went through. This was several days ago. Since > then my boat has been launched (without incident--a dinghy was my > co-pilot). I hosed down the trailer, and left it where it had been, > across from yours. Here's the message you never got: > > Saw Pete at the Point yesterday and learned his plan. > > He plans to lift your boat off my trailer, bottom paint it, and drop it > back on your trailer for launch. > > I didn't know the plan until yesterday. > > I'm going to scurry along and launch my boat so the plan can > progress--something I should have been doing anyhow. > > Bill > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 10 15:39:51 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 10 14:40:04 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints SC reply In-Reply-To: <42A9C1B1.1090807@effros.com> Message-ID: <000001c56deb$cca82180$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Bill: Rummy has the market cornered, that is on the corner, in Anderson, SC. He has the original 'Three Pigs'. Hwy 76 from I-85, the Mall, and restaurant row toward downtown. Pay Rummy a visit and have him take you there. Closed Sundays and Mondays. Third generation running the place. I challenge you to eat a whole dinner plate. That can only be done by Clemson football linemen. Good stuff. There used to be a directory of BBQ places in the south. I was amazed when I looked thru it and had been to some four star places. So, I can compare this with the best. Maurice's in Columbia is still good. That is the original place south of the city. Piggy Park. Bessinger's in Charleston is passable. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Not aware of any really good places in Greenville. Henry's is acceptable. From bill at effros.com Fri Jun 10 15:43:59 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Fri Jun 10 14:44:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Lost Email Message-ID: <42A9DF6F.1080004@effros.com> Bruce, Here's another email to you that got lost. It's from earlier than the previous one. I'm cleaning up my email LIFO: Defying all odds, both my repaired sail and the bearing only Stan can provide arrived today. I have all the pieces I need to put her on the water as soon as I reassemble. I was totally unprepared for this, and must now figure what remains to be done, after which I will launch. I visited the boats yesterday, and yours was not bottom painted, although Pete was moving Boat Stands around as though he had given some thought as to where he was going to put them. Bill From rlipton at earthlink.net Fri Jun 10 15:21:44 2005 From: rlipton at earthlink.net (Ronald Lipton) Date: Fri Jun 10 15:21:52 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe References: <000101c56dd5$34d8c410$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <001201c56df1$a3650620$11b7e183@liptonlaptop2> Ed, I guess he removed himself in any case... I am a Chicagoan, Cubs and Bears fan. I know nothing of Georga Bay. Blues festival this weekend - about 200 yards from my mooring. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > Ron, > That being true, there is the problem of newbie's, lurkers, those > who are not computer savvy, and just to total volume of trash generated. > He was using language inappropriate for a sailing forum and worse he > was making outright personal attacks. > Politics is one thing but he was way beyond that. > We are waiting for your report on sailing your boat to Georgia Bay. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Lipton > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:51 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > > I would like to remind folks that all e-mail clients have a > spam blocker that allows you to turn off specific addresses. > I have not received any of Steve's posts for a year. > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ed kroposki" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:15 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > > >> Steve, >> Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and unnecessary. I >> appreciate that you think you are a long timer with special status, but > you >> are abusing the list. >> >> Ed K >> Greenville, SC, USA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day >> >> Robert >> Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly >> Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. >> >> Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I >> said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on >> this list; your unwillingness to even try and >> understand how the world work only show your lack of >> brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help >> themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go >> to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. >> Liberal central for you liberals & what is this >> country doing; we are going after them. It is always >> better to fight a war on some other Country soil as >> compared to fighting it on this country soil. >> >> You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you >> caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to >> be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you >> protested that war. This country had the capitality >> to free those people & because of people like you; a >> lot of vietamise people continue to have to live >> without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some >> elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT >> JUST YOU. >> >> As for liberals like you who think the one thing that >> government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE >> checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits >> on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a >> worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not >> a productive citizen, they are not helping this >> country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be >> proud of. >> >> Anybody that support allowing people to remain on >> Welfare without a direct course of action to get off >> Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you >> are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy >> life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass >> and go to work and earn your own living. >> >> I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can >> absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - >> free of charge. I know that you probably expect a >> Welfare check to come with this information but at >> least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say >> below; I could not resist the >> invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try >> and help my fellow man!!! >> Steve >> >> >> >> --- Robert Skinner wrote: >> >> > Rik Sandberg wrote: >> > > >> > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. >> > >> > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. >> > I couldn't resist such an invitation... >> > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. >> > >> > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get >> > out of the way." >> > >> > As you correctly point out, there is too >> > much empty talk about dying for our country >> > from those with no flesh on the front lines. >> > >> > Apologies to those who may be offended by >> > such a direct response. >> > >> > All honor to those who are in harm's way. >> > >> > /Robert Skinner >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >> > www.rhodes22.org/list >> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Fri Jun 10 17:07:16 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Fri Jun 10 17:07:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Tamer In-Reply-To: <000001c56dd3$7c6d44b0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: > Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer? I think that might be in > order for taking pictures. I do not have the autopilot. I used the tiller tamer on Fandango for the last few years but I'm going to try to do without it this season. It's a quick and easy way to lock the tiller but unfortunately the plastic housing seems to break easily and I had to replace it more than once. Also, the lines prevent you from being able to raise the tiller to gain access to the laz, so you always have to untie and retie the lines every time you go to the laz. This year I'm going to use the tiller extension and the side clips on the stern rail. It's not as quick as the tiller tamer but I'll try it for a while and see if I like it better. I don't have auto-pilot. Slim From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 10 18:19:08 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Fri Jun 10 17:19:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints References: <20050610164111.32973.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003701c56e02$0a8119b0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Sconyers (spell?) in Augusta, GA deserves a stop. Right off the Bobby Jones Expressway. Jimmy Carter flew the staff up to DC when he occupied the White House for a BBQ or two. ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad haslett" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints > Bill, > > Corky's here in the BBQ capital of the world is > considered among the best. They FedEx nationwide. > Let me know what address you want it sent to and I'll > ship some. Come down here for Memphis in May, a month > long music and BBQ festival. There are a lot of things > I don't like about Memphis but two things we've got > plenty of are BBQ joints and churches. > > Brad > > --- Bill Effros wrote: > >> I've traveled far and wide in this country in >> pursuit of BBQ joints (One >> of the few foods not readily available in >> outstanding quality around >> NYC). I'd love to know people's favorites, the type >> of BBQ considered >> their specialty, and driving instructions. >> >> Bill Effros >> >> brad haslett wrote: >> >> >Wally, >> > >> >Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, >> >you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on >> >Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If >> my >> >schedule works out this September I'm going to take >> >the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I >> haven't >> >actually done the math but I think I can do it in >> >about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days >> just >> >to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I >> hook-up >> >with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes >> >some time to recover. >> > >> >Brad >> > >> >--- Wally Buck wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >>Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to >> your >> >>end of the river. I >> >>have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I >> need >> >>to get off my a** and >> >>get it done. >> >> >> >>Wally >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "anima13" >> >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >> >>> >> >>> >> >>areas >> >> >> >> >> >>>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 >> >>> >> >>>Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop >> here >> >>> >> >>> >> >>and say the sailing is >> >> >> >> >> >>>better >> >>>here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. >> >>>Anne >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >> >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >> >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On >> >>> >> >>> >> >>Behalf Of J Cook >> >> >> >> >> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM >> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >> >>> >> >>> >> >>areas >> >> >> >> >> >>>We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled >> our >> >>> >> >>> >> >>boat out from the St >> >> >> >> >> >>>John's River, which is nice during the winter but >> I >> >>> >> >>> >> >>don't like it as much >> >> >> >> >> >>>during the summer. She (our boat) spent last >> >>> >> >>> >> >>hurricane season moored out >> >> >> >> >> >>>in >> >>>the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to >> >>> >> >>> >> >>make a run for it this >> >> >> >> >> >>>year. >> >>> >> >>>We've trailered her to the Keys from here a >> couple >> >>> >> >>> >> >>of times. That's a full >> >> >> >> >> >>>day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part >> >>> >> >>> >> >>of boating, but even if I >> >> >> >> >> >>>take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the >> hull >> >>> >> >>> >> >>speed. >> >> >> >> >> >>>I've just been having fantasies about some cooler >> >>> >> >>> >> >>weather of late. >> >> >> >> >> >>>Joseph >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: Robert >> Quinn >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail >> >>> >> >>> >> >>list >> >> >> >> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >> >>> >> >>> >> >>areas >> >> >> >> >> >>> J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I >> >>> >> >>> >> >>think you are just running >> >> >> >> >> >>> from the storm brewing to the south of us. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>Kathy and I were supposed to >> >> >> >> >> >>> head down to Marathon today for a week but we >> >>> >> >>> >> >>cancelled out. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. >> >>> >> >>> Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "J Cook" >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >> >>> >> >>> >> > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From pthorn at nc.rr.com Fri Jun 10 18:37:10 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Fri Jun 10 17:35:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures Message-ID: <002a01c56e04$8f06a8b0$660fa8c0@dell330> Slim and Bill, Thanks for posting the mast procedures again. Now that I've tried it a few times, it makes a lot more sense and the reading is certainly a little more interesting. However I was surprised to read the part about connecting the *aft* lowers to the mast crane. Raven doesn't seem to be set up that way. On Raven, the forward lowers have fast-pins and all the other turnbuckles are fixed with ring-dings. So, I connected the forward lowers to the crane and everything worked just fine - it's actually less work than you both describe. The fast-pins speed the connection from the crane hoist to the chainplates a little bit too. When I checked the rig tension with the Loos gauge everything was within specs, except the forward lowers needed a little tightening as one might expect. I know I'm pretty lucky that Mark and the other previous owners took such thought and care in setting up Raven quite nicely. But I still wonder if I'm missing something: why do the instructions call for connecting the *aft* lowers to the crane? To paraphrase Rumsfeld "I don't know what I don't know". Does it make a difference which lowers you use? Thanks, PT From salm at mn.rr.com Fri Jun 10 17:56:16 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Fri Jun 10 17:56:20 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures Message-ID: Peter, The forward lowers should have the 8" extensions added and then connected to their chain plates. These help to prevent side sway in the mast as it's going up (or down) As the mast gets higher, the upper shrouds take over to prevent the sway. Both uppers and forward lowers combine to prevent the sway. That leaves the aft lowers available to hook up to the crane. I can see where your method (using the forward lowers to the crane) would certainly save some time, but it's not as safe. I usually do this procedure on the water, so any waves or rocking the boat would cause the mast to sway from side to side, so I need to use the four shrouds to prevent that. Hope this helps, Slim On 6/10/05 4:37 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: > Slim and Bill, > > Thanks for posting the mast procedures again. Now that I've tried it a few > times, it makes a lot more sense and the reading is certainly a little more > interesting. However I was surprised to read the part about connecting the > *aft* lowers to the mast crane. > > Raven doesn't seem to be set up that way. On Raven, the forward lowers have > fast-pins and all the other turnbuckles are fixed with ring-dings. So, I > connected the forward lowers to the crane and everything worked just fine - > it's actually less work than you both describe. The fast-pins speed the > connection from the crane hoist to the chainplates a little bit too. When I > checked the rig tension with the Loos gauge everything was within specs, > except the forward lowers needed a little tightening as one might expect. > > I know I'm pretty lucky that Mark and the other previous owners took such > thought and care in setting up Raven quite nicely. But I still wonder if I'm > missing something: why do the instructions call for connecting the *aft* > lowers to the crane? To paraphrase Rumsfeld "I don't know what I don't know". > Does it make a difference which lowers you use? > > Thanks, > > PT > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From pthorn at nc.rr.com Fri Jun 10 19:09:47 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Fri Jun 10 18:08:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures References: Message-ID: <004701c56e09$1d3cc4d0$660fa8c0@dell330> Slim, Ah ha! There must be many versions of this equipment. Raven does not have 8" extensions, but she does have a mast stabilizing triangulation device, basically two lines with clips, which are set on an extention of the mast bolt line on the grab rails and extend up the mast about 6' on each side. Since the triangulation in on the pivot line, they don't loosen as the mast goes up. However, they do add extra steps, to install and remove them. Thanks. I still have the feeling I may be missing something. What year is Fandango? PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slim" To: "Rhodes" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures > Peter, > > The forward lowers should have the 8" extensions added and then connected to > their chain plates. These help to prevent side sway in the mast as it's > going up (or down) As the mast gets higher, the upper shrouds take over to > prevent the sway. Both uppers and forward lowers combine to prevent the > sway. That leaves the aft lowers available to hook up to the crane. > > I can see where your method (using the forward lowers to the crane) would > certainly save some time, but it's not as safe. I usually do this procedure > on the water, so any waves or rocking the boat would cause the mast to sway > from side to side, so I need to use the four shrouds to prevent that. > > Hope this helps, > > Slim > > On 6/10/05 4:37 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: > > > Slim and Bill, > > > > Thanks for posting the mast procedures again. Now that I've tried it a few > > times, it makes a lot more sense and the reading is certainly a little more > > interesting. However I was surprised to read the part about connecting the > > *aft* lowers to the mast crane. > > > > Raven doesn't seem to be set up that way. On Raven, the forward lowers have > > fast-pins and all the other turnbuckles are fixed with ring-dings. So, I > > connected the forward lowers to the crane and everything worked just fine - > > it's actually less work than you both describe. The fast-pins speed the > > connection from the crane hoist to the chainplates a little bit too. When I > > checked the rig tension with the Loos gauge everything was within specs, > > except the forward lowers needed a little tightening as one might expect. > > > > I know I'm pretty lucky that Mark and the other previous owners took such > > thought and care in setting up Raven quite nicely. But I still wonder if I'm > > missing something: why do the instructions call for connecting the *aft* > > lowers to the crane? To paraphrase Rumsfeld "I don't know what I don't know". > > Does it make a difference which lowers you use? > > > > Thanks, > > > > PT > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From hparsons at parsonsys.com Fri Jun 10 18:29:26 2005 From: hparsons at parsonsys.com (Herb Parsons) Date: Fri Jun 10 18:23:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Tamer Message-ID: I used a tiller tamer on my O'Day 25 for about 2 years before I bought an auto-pilot; however, I never tied and retied the lines. Instead, I put clamcleats on the stern of the boat. Now that I have an autotiller, the tiller tamer is gone, but I still use the cam cleats. When I slip the boat, and occasionally when I need to tie it down quickly, I wrap a line around the tiller and put the ends in the clamcleats. Herb Parsons S/V O'Jure 1976 O'Day 25 Lake Grapevine, N TX S/V Reve de Papa 1971 Coronado 35 Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast >>> salm@mn.rr.com 6/10/2005 4:07:16 PM >>> > Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer? I think that might be in > order for taking pictures. I do not have the autopilot. I used the tiller tamer on Fandango for the last few years but I'm going to try to do without it this season. It's a quick and easy way to lock the tiller but unfortunately the plastic housing seems to break easily and I had to replace it more than once. Also, the lines prevent you from being able to raise the tiller to gain access to the laz, so you always have to untie and retie the lines every time you go to the laz. This year I'm going to use the tiller extension and the side clips on the stern rail. It's not as quick as the tiller tamer but I'll try it for a while and see if I like it better. I don't have auto-pilot. Slim __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From robert at squirrelhaven.com Fri Jun 10 19:29:01 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Fri Jun 10 18:29:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD References: <000201c56db0$7916dba0$8f908c41@yourb8ed622a9f> Message-ID: <42AA142D.DD55385C@squirrelhaven.com> Philip Esteban wrote: > > Brad, > It is a good move to push the Air Force... if they > want a good tour, making the same money, in decent > quarters and great > training/education opportunities, > the Air Force is the way to go... Then there are the golf courses... /Robert From anima13 at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 10 19:14:26 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Fri Jun 10 19:16:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: <20050610160634.46990.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And I can do it again! Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:07 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Wally, Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If my schedule works out this September I'm going to take the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I haven't actually done the math but I think I can do it in about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days just to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I hook-up with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes some time to recover. Brad --- Wally Buck wrote: > Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to your > end of the river. I > have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I need > to get off my a** and > get it done. > > Wally > > >From: "anima13" > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > > > >Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop here > and say the sailing is > >better > >here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. > >Anne > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > Behalf Of J Cook > >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > > > > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our > boat out from the St > >John's River, which is nice during the winter but I > don't like it as much > >during the summer. She (our boat) spent last > hurricane season moored out > >in > >the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to > make a run for it this > >year. > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple > of times. That's a full > >day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part > of boating, but even if I > >take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull > speed. > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler > weather of late. > > > >Joseph > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Quinn > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail > list > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I > think you are just running > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. > Kathy and I were supposed to > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we > cancelled out. > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Cook" > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or > favorite places for extended > > vacationing with the R22 that our list members > may have. Maybe some > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a > nice B&B or hotel once > >in > >a > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a > little warm down here > >in > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a > few degrees to the north. > > > > Joseph > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? > >www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From robert at squirrelhaven.com Fri Jun 10 20:25:46 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Fri Jun 10 19:26:01 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Tamer - new rig References: Message-ID: <42AA217A.531FDB3B@squirrelhaven.com> Slim wrote: > ... Also, the lines prevent you from being able > to raise the tiller to gain access to the laz, > so you always have to untie and retie the lines... Slim - I ran into a similar problem, and used the rig in the attached JPG to allow raising the tiller, and incidentally to remove the slack in the tiller tamer line. Hope this helps. /Robert Skinner -------------- next part -------------- Name: tiller-tamer.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25866 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/10/tiller-tamer.jpg From joscook at msn.com Fri Jun 10 21:36:05 2005 From: joscook at msn.com (J Cook) Date: Fri Jun 10 20:36:18 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c56d57$5c196e40$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <42A9C67C.1070903@effros.com> Message-ID: I have made several trips to the Keys. We go to Brachia Honda State Park, and John Pennekamp Coral Reef State Park. We've also been to the Everglades National Park a few times, but with a 16 foot Gheenoe and a 25 foot motor cruiser. The were all great, but the Everglade is VERY BUGGY during the summer. If you like to snorkel or scuba, Pennekamp is great. A nice little marina, moorings and campsites are available. Bahia Honda didn't have official mooring grounds when we were there last, but they do have some nice cabins. Reservations at Bahia Honda campground are tough to get. They start taking reservations a year in advance and, especially for popular dates, they fill up within an hour or two of opening their phone lines in the morning. We haven't had any problem getting into the marina though. It's tucked back in and very well protected. Pennekamp has been less crowded for some reason. And the coral reefs there are terrific. We stayed in the marina, but it looked like there were plenty of protected places available for mooring out. It's been a two years since I've been there, so I would give the park a call concerning rules etc. I can't personally say what summer sailing is like down there. But around Christmas and Easter we enjoyed it. The weather is usually pretty nice then, but you can hit some rain and cool temps, which we have a time or two, but it was still great. There are plenty of private parks, marinas etc. but be certain if it is on the Gulf or the Atlantic side. There are some low bridges and getting from one side to the other may take a little doing. We especially like the Atlantic side, weather permitting, because clear water is fairly near shore. On either side, careful navigation is important because of the shallows. I would love to do more exploring down there myself. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Effros To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas Joseph, My plan to someday trailer down to the Keys has become something of a bad joke, like the Cubs winning the World Series, still, any information you could provide would be welcome, and will surely go into my personal FAQ. Bill Effros J Cook wrote: >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as much during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out in the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this year. > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's a full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. > >Joseph > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Quinn> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list> > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running > from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to > head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Cook" >> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >> > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended > vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. > > Joseph > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From 3drecon at comcast.net Fri Jun 10 23:29:32 2005 From: 3drecon at comcast.net (Philip Esteban) Date: Fri Jun 10 22:30:06 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD In-Reply-To: <20050610154901.27962.qmail@web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002601c56e2d$67085470$0c5f8d41@yourb8ed622a9f> Brad, I'm not sure I want you to repeat it ;'). I have two boys and I have a similar problem. The oldest barely gets out of bed and the younger is always on the computer designing games and consistantly makes the honour roll at school. Hopefully they will both find their sweet spot. Recent photos showed a huge cache of weapons captured and a bunch of high level badies. Hopefully that will slow them down a bit. Keep in mind that 48% (and at times higher) are Reserve and National Guard. The Guard and Reserve jokes have pretty much stopped. That said, the Air National Guard is not a bad choice, especially with the school perks. Most states waive tuition at state universities if you are in the Guard. With recruiting down there may be more incentives down the road. Before I was mobilized my part time job was projectionist at the Fairfax Square Theatres in Tyson's Corner. I was the main projectionist there for several years. I don't know if the job will be there when I get back though. According to my Air Force (and Air Guard) acquaintances all pilots are prima donnas who drain resources from the really important stuff. That's not true ;'0! Philip -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:49 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD Phillip, Thanks for the "gouge". He put in an application at FedEx this week to work in the hub. I can't do anything to accelerate his hiring - if they find out his dad is a crewmember it would probably be the kiss of death - the company always blames us prima donnas for everyone else not getting a raise. We're in contract negotiations right now so the same old BS is flying. Anyway, I think Alex's best bet would be to get on here and then join the local Air National Guard unit. They just got C5's and are building a new airport facility (we're getting their old one). I work with a lot of the officers in the unit and could provide some help there. He's already said he doesn't want to get stuck on a boat. His grandfather on his mother's side is retired Army Special Forces. He's said much the same thing to him as you did about the Army. Unfortunately, I didn't do a very good job of dividing up the work ethic and motivation between my two sons. The oldest I have to throttle back constantly and the youngest seems to always need a kick in the ass. Right now the youngest is discovering the joys of poverty and has finally figured out he needs to do something. If Alex can get on at the hub and in the Memphis Guard it will be the best of both worlds. FedEx will pay for college as well as the Guard. I promised to put the equivalent amount in an IRA for him. Of course at 19 he has no idea what an IRA is or why anyone would want to put money away that couldn't be spent for 40 years. The Memphis Guard has been getting activated alot lately but mostly its trips to the desert and back. I met a guy in the bar at Tysons Corner outside DC last night who's made some trips to/from Baghdad. He said the airport was opening up to passenger traffic this week but they're still using special approach procedures. There are a lot of SAMs out there and still unaccounted for Stingers from Afghanastan. After seeing the photos and reading the story of the DHL Airbus that took a missle through the engine, I'm glad I don't fly there. My biggest worry is making sure that when I get up in the middle of the night to go pee, I'm really in the bathroom (long story from before you arrived here that I don't want to repeat.) Brad --- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: > Brad, > It is a good move to push the Air Force. After > 31 years of both USMC > and US Army service, I would not counsel any young > person to join the Army > (the reasons are too long to go into here). I do > tell the kids if they are > full of P*ss and Vinegar and want to Shoot, Move and > Communicate, the USMC > is their best prospect for training and esprit de > corps, however; if they > want a good tour, making the same money, in decent > quarters and great > training/education opportunities, the Air Force is > the way to go. The Navy > is ok, but you spend a lot of time on "floats". In > the end, if you are > injured or wounded, the Army tends to kick you to > the kerb. You can > ultimately get treated but you have to fight for it. > The pat' answer is "go > to the VA". > > Philip > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf > Of brad haslett > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:50 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on > WMD > > > Wally, > > First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' Ford? > You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying that > in > this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be a > nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if > not > something bigger down the road. Bad timing for him. > His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail > for > being a crook, but for the race card which will > surely be played, just like it was for Harold, > Senior. > I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his > secure > congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's his > life. The only Republican announced against him is > that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. > > I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long > row > to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of > enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but we'll > see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" > between your political beliefs and reality. > > Brad > > > > --- Wally Buck wrote: > > > Brad, > > > > My nephew emails me every month or so with updates > > from Iraq. It does seem > > we are making progress. In the end history will be > > the judge. > > > > How about your boy Ford. It sure doesn't take much > > to buy a TN politician. > > :-0 > > > > Wally > > > > >From: brad haslett > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not > on > > WMD > > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Wally, > > > > > >Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a > > >helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had > a > > >jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who > was > > >meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" > with > > our > > >chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot > > job > > >interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his > > friend > > >who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had > been > > >activated. She was home on medical leave because > > of a > > >broken foot (not combat related). > > > > > >Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive > > progress > > >is being made that isn't being reported by the > MSM. > > >The military is putting a great deal of efforts > > >turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, > soccer > > >fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were > > happy > > >we were there and more than happy that Saddam is > > gone, > > >but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of > > >oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the > > bad > > >guys are difficult to identify because people are > > >scared to turn them in, not that the average > Iraqi > > >supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the > cops > > if > > >we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal > > >activity. There, they and their family are > killed > > if > > >they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's > > but > > >jihadists from other countries. It will continue > > to > > >be a problem for some time. She felt good about > > her > > >duty there and supported the war but expressed > that > > >morale was fading amongst the troops because of > the > > >long and extended deployments. I asked her > > >specifically what her take was on WMD and she > gave > > me > > >this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you > > ever > > >made a decision in the jet based on the > information > > >you had at the time and realized later there were > > >other options? Bush made a decision on the intel > he > > >was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". > > For > > >the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her > > service > > >and thought she and her unit were having a > positive > > >impact. > > > > > >Some people don't support the war because they > just > > >don't like war. Who does? Most of the > > non-supporters > > >just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this > > thing > > >and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi > > >people for us to abandon them at this point. We > > did > > >that once. We've had a huge military presence in > > the > > >Middle East and Europe for a long time and now > > those > > >assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a > > lameduck > > >now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just > > as I > > >have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. > > No > > >matter who the next President is (my current > money > > is > > >on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. > > > > > >Brad > > > > > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > > > Thanks for changing the sugject line but my > post > > was > > > > not about "WMDs". > > > > Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is > > not > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From 3drecon at comcast.net Fri Jun 10 23:31:31 2005 From: 3drecon at comcast.net (Philip Esteban) Date: Fri Jun 10 22:31:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Fwd: For sale] - Question In-Reply-To: <42A8D3F2.6050409@michaelmeltzer.com> Message-ID: <002701c56e2d$adaeb9a0$0c5f8d41@yourb8ed622a9f> What is a Rhodes Continental and how does it differ from a Rhodes22? Philip -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of michael meltzer Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:43 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Fwd: For sale] he sent it to the wrong address, forwarding it for him -mjm -------- Original Message -------- Subject: For sale Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:15:42 -0400 From: To: Hi, I just spoke w/ Elton at General Boats. He suggested that I circulate this advertisement: 1976 Rhodes Continental, w/ '02 Nissan 8HP w/ elect. start, roller furling, VHF, rebulit trailer. Boat located in CT. Good condition for vintage $3,400 My number: 860-537-9100. Thanks for your consideration. Fred Willson __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 20:33:43 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 10 22:33:47 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050611023343.60674.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anne, My back door neighbors friends from Chicago brought their boat down to Green Turtle Bay rather than put it on the hard for the winter in Windy Town. Duh? Drive 30 miles for liquor or pay a gazillion dollars for winter storage.? It's about time for a "feed bag" at the Haslett household. You in? Let's get Bill and and his wife down here and teach him a thing or two about Southern Hospitality! Rik invited me. Whatever your bitch is, you blame on him. Tell Wally to go down river or I'll personally weld his trailer! R-22 2005 is shaping up to be a good time! See ya there! Brad --- anima13 wrote: > And I can do it again! > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf > Of brad haslett > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:07 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > KY Lake > > > Wally, > > Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, > you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on > Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If > my > schedule works out this September I'm going to take > the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I > haven't > actually done the math but I think I can do it in > about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days just > to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I hook-up > with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes > some time to recover. > > Brad > > --- Wally Buck wrote: > > > Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to > your > > end of the river. I > > have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I > need > > to get off my a** and > > get it done. > > > > Wally > > > > >From: "anima13" > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > > areas > > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > > > > > >Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop > here > > and say the sailing is > > >better > > >here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. > > >Anne > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > > Behalf Of J Cook > > >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > > areas > > > > > > > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled > our > > boat out from the St > > >John's River, which is nice during the winter but > I > > don't like it as much > > >during the summer. She (our boat) spent last > > hurricane season moored out > > >in > > >the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to > > make a run for it this > > >year. > > > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a > couple > > of times. That's a full > > >day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part > > of boating, but even if I > > >take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the > hull > > speed. > > > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler > > weather of late. > > > > > >Joseph > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Robert > Quinn > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail > > list > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > > areas > > > > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I > > think you are just running > > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. > > Kathy and I were supposed to > > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we > > cancelled out. > > > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J Cook" > > > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > > > > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or > > favorite places for extended > > > vacationing with the R22 that our list > members > > may have. Maybe some > > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in > a > > nice B&B or hotel once > > >in > > >a > > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting > a > > little warm down here > > >in > > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a > > few degrees to the north. > > > > > > Joseph > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use > > > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > > Help? > > > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use > > > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > > Help? > > > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 20:47:04 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 10 22:47:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD In-Reply-To: <002601c56e2d$67085470$0c5f8d41@yourb8ed622a9f> Message-ID: <20050611024705.56076.qmail@web32909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Phillip, I thought my old man was a bad ass, all the stories about the Great Depression and WW2 duty. Alex has been spared nothing. If anyone has a some good ideas about this fatherhood thing, give me clue. I was the most fortunate son, last in line of children who had tested their parents. When I told my mother that she HAD to drive me to the airport for flying lessons at 15 she was like, "whatever, just be gone when your 18!" Brad --- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: > Brad, > > I'm not sure I want you to repeat it ;'). I > have two boys and I have a > similar problem. The oldest barely gets out of bed > and the younger is > always on the computer designing games and > consistantly makes the honour > roll at school. Hopefully they will both find their > sweet spot. Recent > photos showed a huge cache of weapons captured and a > bunch of high level > badies. Hopefully that will slow them down a bit. > Keep in mind that 48% > (and at times higher) are Reserve and National > Guard. The Guard and Reserve > jokes have pretty much stopped. > That said, the Air National Guard is not a bad > choice, especially with > the school perks. Most states waive tuition at > state universities if you > are in the Guard. With recruiting down there may be > more incentives down > the road. > Before I was mobilized my part time job was > projectionist at the Fairfax > Square Theatres in Tyson's Corner. I was the main > projectionist there for > several years. I don't know if the job will be > there when I get back > though. > According to my Air Force (and Air Guard) > acquaintances all pilots are > prima donnas who drain resources from the really > important stuff. That's > not true ;'0! > > Philip > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf > Of brad haslett > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:49 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on > WMD-To BRAD > > > Phillip, > > Thanks for the "gouge". He put in an application at > FedEx this week to work in the hub. I can't do > anything to accelerate his hiring - if they find out > his dad is a crewmember it would probably be the > kiss > of death - the company always blames us prima donnas > for everyone else not getting a raise. We're in > contract negotiations right now so the same old BS > is > flying. Anyway, I think Alex's best bet would be to > get on here and then join the local Air National > Guard > unit. They just got C5's and are building a new > airport facility (we're getting their old one). I > work > with a lot of the officers in the unit and could > provide some help there. He's already said he > doesn't > want to get stuck on a boat. His grandfather on his > mother's side is retired Army Special Forces. He's > said much the same thing to him as you did about the > Army. Unfortunately, I didn't do a very good job of > dividing up the work ethic and motivation between my > two sons. The oldest I have to throttle back > constantly and the youngest seems to always need a > kick in the ass. Right now the youngest is > discovering the joys of poverty and has finally > figured out he needs to do something. > > If Alex can get on at the hub and in the Memphis > Guard > it will be the best of both worlds. FedEx will pay > for college as well as the Guard. I promised to put > the equivalent amount in an IRA for him. Of course > at > 19 he has no idea what an IRA is or why anyone would > want to put money away that couldn't be spent for 40 > years. The Memphis Guard has been getting activated > alot lately but mostly its trips to the desert and > back. I met a guy in the bar at Tysons Corner > outside > DC last night who's made some trips to/from Baghdad. > He said the airport was opening up to passenger > traffic this week but they're still using special > approach procedures. There are a lot of SAMs out > there and still unaccounted for Stingers from > Afghanastan. After seeing the photos and reading > the > story of the DHL Airbus that took a missle through > the > engine, I'm glad I don't fly there. My biggest worry > is making sure that when I get up in the middle of > the > night to go pee, I'm really in the bathroom (long > story from before you arrived here that I don't want > to repeat.) > > Brad > > --- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Brad, > > It is a good move to push the Air Force. > After > > 31 years of both USMC > > and US Army service, I would not counsel any young > > person to join the Army > > (the reasons are too long to go into here). I do > > tell the kids if they are > > full of P*ss and Vinegar and want to Shoot, Move > and > > Communicate, the USMC > > is their best prospect for training and esprit de > > corps, however; if they > > want a good tour, making the same money, in decent > > quarters and great > > training/education opportunities, the Air Force is > > the way to go. The Navy > > is ok, but you spend a lot of time on "floats". > In > > the end, if you are > > injured or wounded, the Army tends to kick you to > > the kerb. You can > > ultimately get treated but you have to fight for > it. > > The pat' answer is "go > > to the VA". > > > > Philip > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > Behalf > > Of brad haslett > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:50 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on > > WMD > > > > > > Wally, > > > > First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' > Ford? > > You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying > that > > in > > this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be > a > > nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if > > not > > something bigger down the road. Bad timing for > him. > > His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail > > for > > being a crook, but for the race card which will > > surely be played, just like it was for Harold, > > Senior. > > I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his > > secure > > congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's > his > > life. The only Republican announced against him > is > > that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. > > > > I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long > > row > > to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of > > enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but > we'll > > see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" > > between your political beliefs and reality. > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > --- Wally Buck wrote: > > > > > Brad, > > > > > > My nephew emails me every month or so with > updates > > > from Iraq. It does seem > > > we are making progress. In the end history will > be > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 00:26:59 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Fri Jun 10 23:27:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD In-Reply-To: <20050611024705.56076.qmail@web32909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050611024705.56076.qmail@web32909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42AA5A03.4040209@effros.com> One "L". brad haslett wrote: >Phillip, > >I thought my old man was a bad ass, all the stories >about the Great Depression and WW2 duty. Alex has >been spared nothing. If anyone has a some good ideas >about this fatherhood thing, give me clue. > >I was the most fortunate son, last in line of children >who had tested their parents. When I told my mother >that she HAD to drive me to the airport for flying >lessons at 15 she was like, "whatever, just be gone >when your 18!" > >Brad > > > >--- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: > > > >>Brad, >> >> I'm not sure I want you to repeat it ;'). I >>have two boys and I have a >>similar problem. The oldest barely gets out of bed >>and the younger is >>always on the computer designing games and >>consistantly makes the honour >>roll at school. Hopefully they will both find their >>sweet spot. Recent >>photos showed a huge cache of weapons captured and a >>bunch of high level >>badies. Hopefully that will slow them down a bit. >>Keep in mind that 48% >>(and at times higher) are Reserve and National >>Guard. The Guard and Reserve >>jokes have pretty much stopped. >> That said, the Air National Guard is not a bad >>choice, especially with >>the school perks. Most states waive tuition at >>state universities if you >>are in the Guard. With recruiting down there may be >>more incentives down >>the road. >> Before I was mobilized my part time job was >>projectionist at the Fairfax >>Square Theatres in Tyson's Corner. I was the main >>projectionist there for >>several years. I don't know if the job will be >>there when I get back >>though. >> According to my Air Force (and Air Guard) >>acquaintances all pilots are >>prima donnas who drain resources from the really >>important stuff. That's >>not true ;'0! >> >>Philip >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf >>Of brad haslett >>Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:49 AM >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on >>WMD-To BRAD >> >> >>Phillip, >> >>Thanks for the "gouge". He put in an application at >>FedEx this week to work in the hub. I can't do >>anything to accelerate his hiring - if they find out >>his dad is a crewmember it would probably be the >>kiss >>of death - the company always blames us prima donnas >>for everyone else not getting a raise. We're in >>contract negotiations right now so the same old BS >>is >>flying. Anyway, I think Alex's best bet would be to >>get on here and then join the local Air National >>Guard >>unit. They just got C5's and are building a new >>airport facility (we're getting their old one). I >>work >>with a lot of the officers in the unit and could >>provide some help there. He's already said he >>doesn't >>want to get stuck on a boat. His grandfather on his >>mother's side is retired Army Special Forces. He's >>said much the same thing to him as you did about the >>Army. Unfortunately, I didn't do a very good job of >>dividing up the work ethic and motivation between my >>two sons. The oldest I have to throttle back >>constantly and the youngest seems to always need a >>kick in the ass. Right now the youngest is >>discovering the joys of poverty and has finally >>figured out he needs to do something. >> >>If Alex can get on at the hub and in the Memphis >>Guard >>it will be the best of both worlds. FedEx will pay >>for college as well as the Guard. I promised to put >>the equivalent amount in an IRA for him. Of course >>at >>19 he has no idea what an IRA is or why anyone would >>want to put money away that couldn't be spent for 40 >>years. The Memphis Guard has been getting activated >>alot lately but mostly its trips to the desert and >>back. I met a guy in the bar at Tysons Corner >>outside >>DC last night who's made some trips to/from Baghdad. >>He said the airport was opening up to passenger >>traffic this week but they're still using special >>approach procedures. There are a lot of SAMs out >>there and still unaccounted for Stingers from >>Afghanastan. After seeing the photos and reading >>the >>story of the DHL Airbus that took a missle through >>the >>engine, I'm glad I don't fly there. My biggest worry >>is making sure that when I get up in the middle of >>the >>night to go pee, I'm really in the bathroom (long >>story from before you arrived here that I don't want >>to repeat.) >> >>Brad >> >>--- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>>Brad, >>> It is a good move to push the Air Force. >>> >>> >>After >> >> >>>31 years of both USMC >>>and US Army service, I would not counsel any young >>>person to join the Army >>>(the reasons are too long to go into here). I do >>>tell the kids if they are >>>full of P*ss and Vinegar and want to Shoot, Move >>> >>> >>and >> >> >>>Communicate, the USMC >>>is their best prospect for training and esprit de >>>corps, however; if they >>>want a good tour, making the same money, in decent >>>quarters and great >>>training/education opportunities, the Air Force is >>>the way to go. The Navy >>>is ok, but you spend a lot of time on "floats". >>> >>> >>In >> >> >>>the end, if you are >>>injured or wounded, the Army tends to kick you to >>>the kerb. You can >>>ultimately get treated but you have to fight for >>> >>> >>it. >> >> >>> The pat' answer is "go >>>to the VA". >>> >>>Philip >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On >>> >>> >>Behalf >> >> >>>Of brad haslett >>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:50 PM >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on >>>WMD >>> >>> >>>Wally, >>> >>>First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' >>> >>> >>Ford? >> >> >>>You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>in >>>this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be >>> >>> >>a >> >> >>>nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if >>>not >>>something bigger down the road. Bad timing for >>> >>> >>him. >> >> >>>His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail >>>for >>>being a crook, but for the race card which will >>>surely be played, just like it was for Harold, >>>Senior. >>> I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his >>>secure >>>congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's >>> >>> >>his >> >> >>>life. The only Republican announced against him >>> >>> >>is >> >> >>>that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. >>> >>>I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long >>>row >>>to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of >>>enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but >>> >>> >>we'll >> >> >>>see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" >>>between your political beliefs and reality. >>> >>>Brad >>> >>> >>> >>>--- Wally Buck wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Brad, >>>> >>>>My nephew emails me every month or so with >>>> >>>> >>updates >> >> >>>>from Iraq. It does seem >>>>we are making progress. In the end history will >>>> >>>> >>be >> >> >> >=== message truncated === > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 00:36:32 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Fri Jun 10 23:36:50 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: <20050611023343.60674.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050611023343.60674.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42AA5C40.9010206@effros.com> My grandmother owned a Kosher restaurant in Memphis. My father was reared there. Trotsky was a good friend of the family, and always stayed with my Grandparents whenever he was in town. I was born and bred into Southern Hospitality--so of course we'll take you up on your offer when we're in town. Bill Effros brad haslett wrote: >Anne, > >My back door neighbors friends from Chicago brought >their boat down to Green Turtle Bay rather than put it >on the hard for the winter in Windy Town. Duh? Drive >30 miles for liquor or pay a gazillion dollars for >winter storage.? It's about time for a "feed bag" at >the Haslett household. You in? Let's get Bill and and >his wife down here and teach him a thing or two about >Southern Hospitality! Rik invited me. Whatever your >bitch is, you blame on him. Tell Wally to go down >river or I'll personally weld his trailer! R-22 2005 >is shaping up to be a good time! See ya there! > >Brad > >--- anima13 wrote: > > > >>And I can do it again! >>Anne >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf >>Of brad haslett >>Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:07 AM >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas >>KY Lake >> >> >>Wally, >> >>Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, >>you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on >>Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If >>my >>schedule works out this September I'm going to take >>the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I >>haven't >>actually done the math but I think I can do it in >>about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days just >>to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I hook-up >>with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes >>some time to recover. >> >>Brad >> >>--- Wally Buck wrote: >> >> >> >>>Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to >>> >>> >>your >> >> >>>end of the river. I >>>have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I >>> >>> >>need >> >> >>>to get off my a** and >>>get it done. >>> >>>Wally >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "anima13" >>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>>> >>>> >>>areas >>> >>> >>>>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 >>>> >>>>Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop >>>> >>>> >>here >> >> >>>and say the sailing is >>> >>> >>>>better >>>>here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. >>>>Anne >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On >>>> >>>> >>>Behalf Of J Cook >>> >>> >>>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>>> >>>> >>>areas >>> >>> >>>>We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled >>>> >>>> >>our >> >> >>>boat out from the St >>> >>> >>>>John's River, which is nice during the winter but >>>> >>>> >>I >> >> >>>don't like it as much >>> >>> >>>>during the summer. She (our boat) spent last >>>> >>>> >>>hurricane season moored out >>> >>> >>>>in >>>>the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to >>>> >>>> >>>make a run for it this >>> >>> >>>>year. >>>> >>>>We've trailered her to the Keys from here a >>>> >>>> >>couple >> >> >>>of times. That's a full >>> >>> >>>>day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part >>>> >>>> >>>of boating, but even if I >>> >>> >>>>take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the >>>> >>>> >>hull >> >> >>>speed. >>> >>> >>>>I've just been having fantasies about some cooler >>>> >>>> >>>weather of late. >>> >>> >>>>Joseph >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Robert >>>> >>>> >>Quinn >> >> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail >>>> >>>> >>>list >>> >>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>>> >>>> >>>areas >>> >>> >>>> J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I >>>> >>>> >>>think you are just running >>> >>> >>>> from the storm brewing to the south of us. >>>> >>>> >>>Kathy and I were supposed to >>> >>> >>>> head down to Marathon today for a week but we >>>> >>>> >>>cancelled out. >>> >>> >>>> Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. >>>> >>>> Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "J Cook" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>>> >>>> >>areas >> >> >>>> Just wondering, what might be some ideas or >>>> >>>> >>>favorite places for extended >>> >>> >>>> vacationing with the R22 that our list >>>> >>>> >>members >> >> >>>may have. Maybe some >>> >>> >>>> favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in >>>> >>>> >>a >> >> >>>nice B&B or hotel once >>> >>> >>>>in >>>>a >>>> while and some good restaurants. It's getting >>>> >>>> >>a >> >> >>>little warm down here >>> >>> >>>>in >>>> Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a >>>> >>>> >>>few degrees to the north. >>> >>> >>>> Joseph >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>>> Use >>>> >>>> >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > > >>>Help? >>> >>>www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>>> Use >>>> >>>> >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > > >>>Help? >>> >>>www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>>> >>>> >>>www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>>> >>>> >>>www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>>www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Discover Yahoo! >>Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and >>more. Check it out! >>http://discover.yahoo.com/ >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>www.rhodes22.org/list >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail >Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: >http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 00:51:18 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Fri Jun 10 23:51:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Fwd: For sale] - Question In-Reply-To: <002701c56e2d$adaeb9a0$0c5f8d41@yourb8ed622a9f> References: <002701c56e2d$adaeb9a0$0c5f8d41@yourb8ed622a9f> Message-ID: <42AA5FB6.9050402@effros.com> Philip, Rhodes Continental is the earlier name for General Boats' Rhodes-22. Same hull shape designed by Philip Rhodes. Earlier versions of everything Stan puts into the hull. I spoke with Fred earlier this evening. If the boat floats it's worth the money. He has 2 people interested in it. He spent around $900 rebuilding the trailer which he believes is home made. Rummy, Ed, and I all have earlier versions of the Nissan motor, and we're all thrilled with it. If you are interested in the boat, call Fred and make a fast deal. I'm about 100 miles away, and I can help you with the logistics. Bill Effros Philip Esteban wrote: >What is a Rhodes Continental and how does it differ from a Rhodes22? > >Philip > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of michael meltzer >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:43 PM >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Fwd: For sale] > > > >he sent it to the wrong address, forwarding it for him -mjm > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: For sale >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:15:42 -0400 >From: >To: > > > >Hi, I just spoke w/ Elton at General Boats. He suggested that I >circulate this advertisement: 1976 Rhodes Continental, w/ '02 Nissan 8HP >w/ elect. start, roller furling, VHF, rebulit trailer. Boat located in >CT. Good condition for vintage $3,400 >My number: 860-537-9100. Thanks for your consideration. Fred Willson >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 01:10:43 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 11 00:10:59 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas In-Reply-To: References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c56d57$5c196e40$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <42A9C67C.1070903@effros.com> Message-ID: <42AA6443.7030603@effros.com> Joseph, This is exactly what I need to know! Thank you. I've driven through the Keys innumerable times over the past 50 years, and watched them (and the roads and bridges) change. I've chartered boats and gone out on both the Atlantic and Gulf sides. I've snorkeled at Pennekamp, and I love it. But I've never put it all together with my own boat, which, because our home waters are spectacular, has remained something of a home body. We stay with a friend in Coconut Grove who is within walking distance of Dinner Key Marina (Brad--Original base for Pan Am's flying boats--by the way, who else has ever had one of those things land ((is that the right term in this instance?)) over them while sailing? Scary!) and every time we go there I wonder why I didn't bring my boat. Armed with this additional information, maybe I'll make it this year. Everyone else on this list has heard that before, but maybe, just maybe... Thanks again. Any other recent experiences with marinas and facilities will be appreciated. Bill Effros J Cook wrote: >I have made several trips to the Keys. We go to Brachia Honda State Park, and John Pennekamp Coral Reef State Park. We've also been to the Everglades National Park a few times, but with a 16 foot Gheenoe and a 25 foot motor cruiser. The were all great, but the Everglade is VERY BUGGY during the summer. > >If you like to snorkel or scuba, Pennekamp is great. A nice little marina, moorings and campsites are available. Bahia Honda didn't have official mooring grounds when we were there last, but they do have some nice cabins. > >Reservations at Bahia Honda campground are tough to get. They start taking reservations a year in advance and, especially for popular dates, they fill up within an hour or two of opening their phone lines in the morning. We haven't had any problem getting into the marina though. It's tucked back in and very well protected. > >Pennekamp has been less crowded for some reason. And the coral reefs there are terrific. We stayed in the marina, but it looked like there were plenty of protected places available for mooring out. It's been a two years since I've been there, so I would give the park a call concerning rules etc. > >I can't personally say what summer sailing is like down there. But around Christmas and Easter we enjoyed it. The weather is usually pretty nice then, but you can hit some rain and cool temps, which we have a time or two, but it was still great. > >There are plenty of private parks, marinas etc. but be certain if it is on the Gulf or the Atlantic side. There are some low bridges and getting from one side to the other may take a little doing. We especially like the Atlantic side, weather permitting, because clear water is fairly near shore. On either side, careful navigation is important because of the shallows. I would love to do more exploring down there myself. > >Joseph > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Effros > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > Joseph, > > My plan to someday trailer down to the Keys has become something of a > bad joke, like the Cubs winning the World Series, still, any information > you could provide would be welcome, and will surely go into my personal FAQ. > > Bill Effros > > J Cook wrote: > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as much during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out in the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this year. > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's a full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. > > > >Joseph > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Quinn> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list> > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Cook" >> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended > > vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. > > > > Joseph > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From salm at mn.rr.com Sat Jun 11 02:54:18 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sat Jun 11 02:54:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures Message-ID: > Ah ha! There must be many versions of this equipment. That's exactly right, Peter, and it's the reason why Bill and I and others have had difficulty coming up with a standardized procedure. For ex, IIRC Rob Lowe uses his trailer winch instead of the GB crane. Others lower the mast to the bow. Your hand rail lines are something from the past although I don't know how far back. Fandango is a 1990 and it came with the 8" extensions that are just a piece of aluminum with holes on each end--one for the turnbuckle and one for the chain plate. But I've also seen an 8" length of chain used for the extensions. The newer boats have a "bail" or "bale" (?) about six feet up the mast that's used to hook a line onto the crane instead of the shrouds. That's better/faster still. Slim Raven does not have > 8" extensions, but she does have a mast stabilizing triangulation device, > basically two lines with clips, which are set on an extention of the mast > bolt line on the grab rails and extend up the mast about 6' on each side. > Since the triangulation in on the pivot line, they don't loosen as the mast > goes up. However, they do add extra steps, to install and remove them. > Thanks. > > I still have the feeling I may be missing something. What year is Fandango? > > PT > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Slim" > To: "Rhodes" > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures > > >> Peter, >> >> The forward lowers should have the 8" extensions added and then connected > to >> their chain plates. These help to prevent side sway in the mast as it's >> going up (or down) As the mast gets higher, the upper shrouds take over > to >> prevent the sway. Both uppers and forward lowers combine to prevent the >> sway. That leaves the aft lowers available to hook up to the crane. >> >> I can see where your method (using the forward lowers to the crane) would >> certainly save some time, but it's not as safe. I usually do this > procedure >> on the water, so any waves or rocking the boat would cause the mast to > sway >> from side to side, so I need to use the four shrouds to prevent that. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Slim >> >> On 6/10/05 4:37 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: >> >>> Slim and Bill, >>> >>> Thanks for posting the mast procedures again. Now that I've tried it a > few >>> times, it makes a lot more sense and the reading is certainly a little > more >>> interesting. However I was surprised to read the part about connecting > the >>> *aft* lowers to the mast crane. >>> >>> Raven doesn't seem to be set up that way. On Raven, the forward lowers > have >>> fast-pins and all the other turnbuckles are fixed with ring-dings. So, > I >>> connected the forward lowers to the crane and everything worked just > fine - >>> it's actually less work than you both describe. The fast-pins speed the >>> connection from the crane hoist to the chainplates a little bit too. > When I >>> checked the rig tension with the Loos gauge everything was within specs, >>> except the forward lowers needed a little tightening as one might > expect. >>> >>> I know I'm pretty lucky that Mark and the other previous owners took > such >>> thought and care in setting up Raven quite nicely. But I still wonder > if I'm >>> missing something: why do the instructions call for connecting the > *aft* >>> lowers to the crane? To paraphrase Rumsfeld "I don't know what I don't > know". >>> Does it make a difference which lowers you use? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> PT >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From napoli68 at charter.net Sat Jun 11 01:15:21 2005 From: napoli68 at charter.net (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat Jun 11 03:05:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Fwd: For sale] - Question References: <002701c56e2d$adaeb9a0$0c5f8d41@yourb8ed622a9f> <42AA5FB6.9050402@effros.com> Message-ID: <011a01c56e55$554e5680$6501a8c0@oemcomputer> Phill, I had a 1976 continental and it is as described by Bill. It is a deal for sure! I've got a "new" 1983 and I can't tell the difference except for IMF. I wonder what the Hull # is, maybe it is my old boat, if so it went to the Bahamas no problem. Chris G. Medford OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Fwd: For sale] - Question > Philip, > > Rhodes Continental is the earlier name for General Boats' Rhodes-22. > Same hull shape designed by Philip Rhodes. Earlier versions of > everything Stan puts into the hull. > > I spoke with Fred earlier this evening. If the boat floats it's worth > the money. He has 2 people interested in it. He spent around $900 > rebuilding the trailer which he believes is home made. Rummy, Ed, and I > all have earlier versions of the Nissan motor, and we're all thrilled > with it. > > If you are interested in the boat, call Fred and make a fast deal. I'm > about 100 miles away, and I can help you with the logistics. > > Bill Effros > > Philip Esteban wrote: > > >What is a Rhodes Continental and how does it differ from a Rhodes22? > > > >Philip > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of michael meltzer > >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:43 PM > >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Fwd: For sale] > > > > > > > >he sent it to the wrong address, forwarding it for him -mjm > > > >-------- Original Message -------- > >Subject: For sale > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:15:42 -0400 > >From: > >To: > > > > > > > >Hi, I just spoke w/ Elton at General Boats. He suggested that I > >circulate this advertisement: 1976 Rhodes Continental, w/ '02 Nissan 8HP > >w/ elect. start, roller furling, VHF, rebulit trailer. Boat located in > >CT. Good condition for vintage $3,400 > >My number: 860-537-9100. Thanks for your consideration. Fred Willson > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From napoli68 at charter.net Sat Jun 11 01:27:15 2005 From: napoli68 at charter.net (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat Jun 11 03:17:20 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Sea of Cortez References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c56d57$5c196e40$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <42A9C67C.1070903@effros.com> <42AA6443.7030603@effros.com> Message-ID: <012001c56e56$fe81f620$6501a8c0@oemcomputer> I've been a bit busy and kinda of quiet, but like William, I too have an itch thats gota be scratched. I'll be trailering my 1983 down to Bay of Angles about a third of the way down Baja California on the Sea of Cortez side. I'll be going down with a fellow teacher who will be towing his Ranger 23 and has done this trip several times. My Brother and I will then take a leasurly 250 mile sail south to Loreto where he will fly back to the states and My wife will fly in a few days later. We will then sail north for a couple of weeks and meet our 22 year old son in Bay of Angles where after a few days overlap we'll take his car and he and his 3 friends will sail the boat around the Islands and (hopefully) bring the truck and boat up in a couple of weeks. Lots of lists and $ still to do in the next week but It is going to happen. I will endevor to provide the list with the vicarious sailing everyone has provided each other in the past. And yes I'll take lots of digital pics, never can have too many. I'm afraid that there are only 3 towns along the way, the rest is esentially uninhabitated desert so marinas and B&B with computer hookups will be hard to find. I should be back by mid to late July and will send out some stuff then! Chris G Medford OR SV Enosis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > Joseph, > > This is exactly what I need to know! Thank you. I've driven through > the Keys innumerable times over the past 50 years, and watched them (and > the roads and bridges) change. I've chartered boats and gone out on > both the Atlantic and Gulf sides. I've snorkeled at Pennekamp, and I > love it. But I've never put it all together with my own boat, which, > because our home waters are spectacular, has remained something of a > home body. > > We stay with a friend in Coconut Grove who is within walking distance of > Dinner Key Marina (Brad--Original base for Pan Am's flying boats--by the > way, who else has ever had one of those things land ((is that the right > term in this instance?)) over them while sailing? Scary!) and every time > we go there I wonder why I didn't bring my boat. > > Armed with this additional information, maybe I'll make it this year. > Everyone else on this list has heard that before, but maybe, just maybe... > > Thanks again. Any other recent experiences with marinas and facilities > will be appreciated. > > Bill Effros > > J Cook wrote: > > >I have made several trips to the Keys. We go to Brachia Honda State Park, and John Pennekamp Coral Reef State Park. We've also been to the Everglades National Park a few times, but with a 16 foot Gheenoe and a 25 foot motor cruiser. The were all great, but the Everglade is VERY BUGGY during the summer. > > > >If you like to snorkel or scuba, Pennekamp is great. A nice little marina, moorings and campsites are available. Bahia Honda didn't have official mooring grounds when we were there last, but they do have some nice cabins. > > > >Reservations at Bahia Honda campground are tough to get. They start taking reservations a year in advance and, especially for popular dates, they fill up within an hour or two of opening their phone lines in the morning. We haven't had any problem getting into the marina though. It's tucked back in and very well protected. > > > >Pennekamp has been less crowded for some reason. And the coral reefs there are terrific. We stayed in the marina, but it looked like there were plenty of protected places available for mooring out. It's been a two years since I've been there, so I would give the park a call concerning rules etc. > > > >I can't personally say what summer sailing is like down there. But around Christmas and Easter we enjoyed it. The weather is usually pretty nice then, but you can hit some rain and cool temps, which we have a time or two, but it was still great. > > > >There are plenty of private parks, marinas etc. but be certain if it is on the Gulf or the Atlantic side. There are some low bridges and getting from one side to the other may take a little doing. We especially like the Atlantic side, weather permitting, because clear water is fairly near shore. On either side, careful navigation is important because of the shallows. I would love to do more exploring down there myself. > > > >Joseph > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Effros > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > Joseph, > > > > My plan to someday trailer down to the Keys has become something of a > > bad joke, like the Cubs winning the World Series, still, any information > > you could provide would be welcome, and will surely go into my personal FAQ. > > > > Bill Effros > > > > J Cook wrote: > > > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as much during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out in the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this year. > > > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's a full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. > > > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. > > > > > >Joseph > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Robert Quinn> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running > > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to > > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. > > > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J Cook" >> > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended > > > vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some > > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a > > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in > > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. > > > > > > Joseph > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Sat Jun 11 04:45:17 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sat Jun 11 04:45:28 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures Message-ID: > Ah ha! There must be many versions of this equipment. That's exactly right, Peter, and it's the reason why Bill and I and others have had difficulty coming up with a standardized procedure. For ex, IIRC Rob Lowe uses his trailer winch instead of the GB crane. Others lower the mast to the bow. Your hand rail lines are something from the past although I don't know how far back. Fandango is a 1990 and it came with the 8" extensions that are just a piece of aluminum with holes on each end--one for the turnbuckle and one for the chain plate. But I've also seen an 8" length of chain used for the extensions. The newer boats have a "bail" or "bale" (?) about six feet up the mast that's used to hook a line onto the crane instead of the shrouds. That's better/faster still. Slim Raven does not have > 8" extensions, but she does have a mast stabilizing triangulation device, > basically two lines with clips, which are set on an extention of the mast > bolt line on the grab rails and extend up the mast about 6' on each side. > Since the triangulation in on the pivot line, they don't loosen as the mast > goes up. However, they do add extra steps, to install and remove them. > Thanks. > > I still have the feeling I may be missing something. What year is Fandango? > > PT > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Slim" > To: "Rhodes" > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures > > >> Peter, >> >> The forward lowers should have the 8" extensions added and then connected > to >> their chain plates. These help to prevent side sway in the mast as it's >> going up (or down) As the mast gets higher, the upper shrouds take over > to >> prevent the sway. Both uppers and forward lowers combine to prevent the >> sway. That leaves the aft lowers available to hook up to the crane. >> >> I can see where your method (using the forward lowers to the crane) would >> certainly save some time, but it's not as safe. I usually do this > procedure >> on the water, so any waves or rocking the boat would cause the mast to > sway >> from side to side, so I need to use the four shrouds to prevent that. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Slim >> >> On 6/10/05 4:37 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: >> >>> Slim and Bill, >>> >>> Thanks for posting the mast procedures again. Now that I've tried it a > few >>> times, it makes a lot more sense and the reading is certainly a little > more >>> interesting. However I was surprised to read the part about connecting > the >>> *aft* lowers to the mast crane. >>> >>> Raven doesn't seem to be set up that way. On Raven, the forward lowers > have >>> fast-pins and all the other turnbuckles are fixed with ring-dings. So, > I >>> connected the forward lowers to the crane and everything worked just > fine - >>> it's actually less work than you both describe. The fast-pins speed the >>> connection from the crane hoist to the chainplates a little bit too. > When I >>> checked the rig tension with the Loos gauge everything was within specs, >>> except the forward lowers needed a little tightening as one might > expect. >>> >>> I know I'm pretty lucky that Mark and the other previous owners took > such >>> thought and care in setting up Raven quite nicely. But I still wonder > if I'm >>> missing something: why do the instructions call for connecting the > *aft* >>> lowers to the crane? To paraphrase Rumsfeld "I don't know what I don't > know". >>> Does it make a difference which lowers you use? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> PT >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Sat Jun 11 04:52:38 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sat Jun 11 04:52:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Sea of Cortez In-Reply-To: <012001c56e56$fe81f620$6501a8c0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Chris, That sounds like a fantastic adventure. Looking forward to the report. Good luck! Slim On 6/11/05 2:27 AM, "Chris Geankoplis" wrote: > I've been a bit busy and kinda of quiet, but like William, I too have an > itch thats gota be scratched. I'll be trailering my 1983 down to Bay of > Angles about a third of the way down Baja California on the Sea of Cortez > side. I'll be going down with a fellow teacher who will be towing his > Ranger 23 and has done this trip several times. > > My Brother and I will then take a leasurly 250 mile sail south to Loreto > where he will fly back to the states and My wife will fly in a few days > later. We will then sail north for a couple of weeks and meet our 22 year > old son in Bay of Angles where after a few days overlap we'll take his car > and he and his 3 friends will sail the boat around the Islands and > (hopefully) bring the truck and boat up in a couple of weeks. > > Lots of lists and $ still to do in the next week but It is going to happen. > I will endevor to provide the list with the vicarious sailing everyone has > provided each other in the past. And yes I'll take lots of digital pics, > never can have too many. I'm afraid that there are only 3 towns along the > way, the rest is esentially uninhabitated desert so marinas and B&B with > computer hookups will be hard to find. I should be back by mid to late July > and will send out some stuff then! > > Chris G > Medford OR > SV Enosis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Effros" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > >> Joseph, >> >> This is exactly what I need to know! Thank you. I've driven through >> the Keys innumerable times over the past 50 years, and watched them (and >> the roads and bridges) change. I've chartered boats and gone out on >> both the Atlantic and Gulf sides. I've snorkeled at Pennekamp, and I >> love it. But I've never put it all together with my own boat, which, >> because our home waters are spectacular, has remained something of a >> home body. >> >> We stay with a friend in Coconut Grove who is within walking distance of >> Dinner Key Marina (Brad--Original base for Pan Am's flying boats--by the >> way, who else has ever had one of those things land ((is that the right >> term in this instance?)) over them while sailing? Scary!) and every time >> we go there I wonder why I didn't bring my boat. >> >> Armed with this additional information, maybe I'll make it this year. >> Everyone else on this list has heard that before, but maybe, just maybe... >> >> Thanks again. Any other recent experiences with marinas and facilities >> will be appreciated. >> >> Bill Effros >> >> J Cook wrote: >> >>> I have made several trips to the Keys. We go to Brachia Honda State Park, > and John Pennekamp Coral Reef State Park. We've also been to the Everglades > National Park a few times, but with a 16 foot Gheenoe and a 25 foot motor > cruiser. The were all great, but the Everglade is VERY BUGGY during the > summer. >>> >>> If you like to snorkel or scuba, Pennekamp is great. A nice little > marina, moorings and campsites are available. Bahia Honda didn't have > official mooring grounds when we were there last, but they do have some nice > cabins. >>> >>> Reservations at Bahia Honda campground are tough to get. They start > taking reservations a year in advance and, especially for popular dates, > they fill up within an hour or two of opening their phone lines in the > morning. We haven't had any problem getting into the marina though. It's > tucked back in and very well protected. >>> >>> Pennekamp has been less crowded for some reason. And the coral reefs > there are terrific. We stayed in the marina, but it looked like there were > plenty of protected places available for mooring out. It's been a two years > since I've been there, so I would give the park a call concerning rules etc. >>> >>> I can't personally say what summer sailing is like down there. But > around Christmas and Easter we enjoyed it. The weather is usually pretty > nice then, but you can hit some rain and cool temps, which we have a time or > two, but it was still great. >>> >>> There are plenty of private parks, marinas etc. but be certain if it is > on the Gulf or the Atlantic side. There are some low bridges and getting > from one side to the other may take a little doing. We especially like the > Atlantic side, weather permitting, because clear water is fairly near shore. > On either side, careful navigation is important because of the shallows. I > would love to do more exploring down there myself. >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Bill Effros >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas >>> >>> >>> Joseph, >>> >>> My plan to someday trailer down to the Keys has become something of a >>> bad joke, like the Cubs winning the World Series, still, any > information >>> you could provide would be welcome, and will surely go into my personal > FAQ. >>> >>> Bill Effros >>> >>> J Cook wrote: >>> >>>> We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the > St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as much > during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out in > the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this > year. >>>> >>>> We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's a > full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even > if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. >>>> >>>> I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. >>>> >>>> Joseph >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Robert > Quinn> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail > list> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas >>>> >>>> >>>> J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just > running >>>> from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were > supposed to >>>> head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. >>>> >>>> Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. >>>> >>>> Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "J Cook" > k@msn.com>>> >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > 2-list@rhodes22.org>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas >>>> >>>> >>>> Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for > extended >>>> vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe > some >>>> favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel > once in a >>>> while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down > here in >>>> Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the > north. >>>> >>>> Joseph >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org -list@rhodes22.org>, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list ist> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org -list@rhodes22.org>, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list ist> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Sat Jun 11 04:58:53 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sat Jun 11 04:58:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bale or bail or behl or bayl...can I get a ruling on this? On 6/11/05 3:45 AM, "Slim" wrote: >> Ah ha! There must be many versions of this equipment. > > That's exactly right, Peter, and it's the reason why Bill and I and others > have had difficulty coming up with a standardized procedure. For ex, IIRC > Rob Lowe uses his trailer winch instead of the GB crane. Others lower the > mast to the bow. Your hand rail lines are something from the past although > I don't know how far back. Fandango is a 1990 and it came with the 8" > extensions that are just a piece of aluminum with holes on each end--one for > the turnbuckle and one for the chain plate. But I've also seen an 8" length > of chain used for the extensions. The newer boats have a "bail" or "bale" > (?) about six feet up the mast that's used to hook a line onto the crane > instead of the shrouds. That's better/faster still. > > Slim > > > > Raven does not have >> 8" extensions, but she does have a mast stabilizing triangulation device, >> basically two lines with clips, which are set on an extention of the mast >> bolt line on the grab rails and extend up the mast about 6' on each side. >> Since the triangulation in on the pivot line, they don't loosen as the mast >> goes up. However, they do add extra steps, to install and remove them. >> Thanks. >> >> I still have the feeling I may be missing something. What year is Fandango? >> >> PT >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Slim" >> To: "Rhodes" >> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures >> >> >>> Peter, >>> >>> The forward lowers should have the 8" extensions added and then connected >> to >>> their chain plates. These help to prevent side sway in the mast as it's >>> going up (or down) As the mast gets higher, the upper shrouds take over >> to >>> prevent the sway. Both uppers and forward lowers combine to prevent the >>> sway. That leaves the aft lowers available to hook up to the crane. >>> >>> I can see where your method (using the forward lowers to the crane) would >>> certainly save some time, but it's not as safe. I usually do this >> procedure >>> on the water, so any waves or rocking the boat would cause the mast to >> sway >>> from side to side, so I need to use the four shrouds to prevent that. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Slim >>> >>> On 6/10/05 4:37 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: >>> >>>> Slim and Bill, >>>> >>>> Thanks for posting the mast procedures again. Now that I've tried it a >> few >>>> times, it makes a lot more sense and the reading is certainly a little >> more >>>> interesting. However I was surprised to read the part about connecting >> the >>>> *aft* lowers to the mast crane. >>>> >>>> Raven doesn't seem to be set up that way. On Raven, the forward lowers >> have >>>> fast-pins and all the other turnbuckles are fixed with ring-dings. So, >> I >>>> connected the forward lowers to the crane and everything worked just >> fine - >>>> it's actually less work than you both describe. The fast-pins speed the >>>> connection from the crane hoist to the chainplates a little bit too. >> When I >>>> checked the rig tension with the Loos gauge everything was within specs, >>>> except the forward lowers needed a little tightening as one might >> expect. >>>> >>>> I know I'm pretty lucky that Mark and the other previous owners took >> such >>>> thought and care in setting up Raven quite nicely. But I still wonder >> if I'm >>>> missing something: why do the instructions call for connecting the >> *aft* >>>> lowers to the crane? To paraphrase Rumsfeld "I don't know what I don't >> know". >>>> Does it make a difference which lowers you use? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> PT >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Sat Jun 11 05:08:16 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sat Jun 11 05:08:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, I just looked it up and a bale is a group of turtles. 8-) On 6/11/05 3:58 AM, "Slim" wrote: > Bale or bail or behl or bayl...can I get a ruling on this? > > On 6/11/05 3:45 AM, "Slim" wrote: > >>> Ah ha! There must be many versions of this equipment. >> >> That's exactly right, Peter, and it's the reason why Bill and I and others >> have had difficulty coming up with a standardized procedure. For ex, IIRC >> Rob Lowe uses his trailer winch instead of the GB crane. Others lower the >> mast to the bow. Your hand rail lines are something from the past although >> I don't know how far back. Fandango is a 1990 and it came with the 8" >> extensions that are just a piece of aluminum with holes on each end--one for >> the turnbuckle and one for the chain plate. But I've also seen an 8" length >> of chain used for the extensions. The newer boats have a "bail" or "bale" >> (?) about six feet up the mast that's used to hook a line onto the crane >> instead of the shrouds. That's better/faster still. >> >> Slim >> >> >> >> Raven does not have >>> 8" extensions, but she does have a mast stabilizing triangulation device, >>> basically two lines with clips, which are set on an extention of the mast >>> bolt line on the grab rails and extend up the mast about 6' on each side. >>> Since the triangulation in on the pivot line, they don't loosen as the mast >>> goes up. However, they do add extra steps, to install and remove them. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> I still have the feeling I may be missing something. What year is Fandango? >>> >>> PT >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Slim" >>> To: "Rhodes" >>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:56 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures >>> >>> >>>> Peter, >>>> >>>> The forward lowers should have the 8" extensions added and then connected >>> to >>>> their chain plates. These help to prevent side sway in the mast as it's >>>> going up (or down) As the mast gets higher, the upper shrouds take over >>> to >>>> prevent the sway. Both uppers and forward lowers combine to prevent the >>>> sway. That leaves the aft lowers available to hook up to the crane. >>>> >>>> I can see where your method (using the forward lowers to the crane) would >>>> certainly save some time, but it's not as safe. I usually do this >>> procedure >>>> on the water, so any waves or rocking the boat would cause the mast to >>> sway >>>> from side to side, so I need to use the four shrouds to prevent that. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> >>>> Slim >>>> >>>> On 6/10/05 4:37 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Slim and Bill, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for posting the mast procedures again. Now that I've tried it a >>> few >>>>> times, it makes a lot more sense and the reading is certainly a little >>> more >>>>> interesting. However I was surprised to read the part about connecting >>> the >>>>> *aft* lowers to the mast crane. >>>>> >>>>> Raven doesn't seem to be set up that way. On Raven, the forward lowers >>> have >>>>> fast-pins and all the other turnbuckles are fixed with ring-dings. So, >>> I >>>>> connected the forward lowers to the crane and everything worked just >>> fine - >>>>> it's actually less work than you both describe. The fast-pins speed the >>>>> connection from the crane hoist to the chainplates a little bit too. >>> When I >>>>> checked the rig tension with the Loos gauge everything was within specs, >>>>> except the forward lowers needed a little tightening as one might >>> expect. >>>>> >>>>> I know I'm pretty lucky that Mark and the other previous owners took >>> such >>>>> thought and care in setting up Raven quite nicely. But I still wonder >>> if I'm >>>>> missing something: why do the instructions call for connecting the >>> *aft* >>>>> lowers to the crane? To paraphrase Rumsfeld "I don't know what I don't >>> know". >>>>> Does it make a difference which lowers you use? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> PT >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Sat Jun 11 05:19:04 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sat Jun 11 05:19:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Groups Message-ID: Just for fun: It's a bale of turtles, a gaggle of geese, a stand of trees and a stand of pipes (bagpipes), a pod of dolphins and a murder of crows. What other ones are there that are interesting like that? Slimmy From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 08:26:23 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sat Jun 11 07:26:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Sea of Cortez In-Reply-To: <012001c56e56$fe81f620$6501a8c0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Chris, Good luck! That sounds like quite a trip. Wally >From: "Chris Geankoplis" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The Sea of Cortez >Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:27:15 -0700 > >I've been a bit busy and kinda of quiet, but like William, I too have an >itch thats gota be scratched. I'll be trailering my 1983 down to Bay of >Angles about a third of the way down Baja California on the Sea of Cortez >side. I'll be going down with a fellow teacher who will be towing his >Ranger 23 and has done this trip several times. > >My Brother and I will then take a leasurly 250 mile sail south to Loreto >where he will fly back to the states and My wife will fly in a few days >later. We will then sail north for a couple of weeks and meet our 22 year >old son in Bay of Angles where after a few days overlap we'll take his car >and he and his 3 friends will sail the boat around the Islands and >(hopefully) bring the truck and boat up in a couple of weeks. > >Lots of lists and $ still to do in the next week but It is going to happen. >I will endevor to provide the list with the vicarious sailing everyone has >provided each other in the past. And yes I'll take lots of digital pics, >never can have too many. I'm afraid that there are only 3 towns along the >way, the rest is esentially uninhabitated desert so marinas and B&B with >computer hookups will be hard to find. I should be back by mid to late >July >and will send out some stuff then! > >Chris G >Medford OR >SV Enosis >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Effros" >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:10 PM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > Joseph, > > > > This is exactly what I need to know! Thank you. I've driven through > > the Keys innumerable times over the past 50 years, and watched them (and > > the roads and bridges) change. I've chartered boats and gone out on > > both the Atlantic and Gulf sides. I've snorkeled at Pennekamp, and I > > love it. But I've never put it all together with my own boat, which, > > because our home waters are spectacular, has remained something of a > > home body. > > > > We stay with a friend in Coconut Grove who is within walking distance of > > Dinner Key Marina (Brad--Original base for Pan Am's flying boats--by the > > way, who else has ever had one of those things land ((is that the right > > term in this instance?)) over them while sailing? Scary!) and every time > > we go there I wonder why I didn't bring my boat. > > > > Armed with this additional information, maybe I'll make it this year. > > Everyone else on this list has heard that before, but maybe, just >maybe... > > > > Thanks again. Any other recent experiences with marinas and facilities > > will be appreciated. > > > > Bill Effros > > > > J Cook wrote: > > > > >I have made several trips to the Keys. We go to Brachia Honda State >Park, >and John Pennekamp Coral Reef State Park. We've also been to the Everglades >National Park a few times, but with a 16 foot Gheenoe and a 25 foot motor >cruiser. The were all great, but the Everglade is VERY BUGGY during the >summer. > > > > > >If you like to snorkel or scuba, Pennekamp is great. A nice little >marina, moorings and campsites are available. Bahia Honda didn't have >official mooring grounds when we were there last, but they do have some >nice >cabins. > > > > > >Reservations at Bahia Honda campground are tough to get. They start >taking reservations a year in advance and, especially for popular dates, >they fill up within an hour or two of opening their phone lines in the >morning. We haven't had any problem getting into the marina though. It's >tucked back in and very well protected. > > > > > >Pennekamp has been less crowded for some reason. And the coral reefs >there are terrific. We stayed in the marina, but it looked like there were >plenty of protected places available for mooring out. It's been a two >years >since I've been there, so I would give the park a call concerning rules >etc. > > > > > >I can't personally say what summer sailing is like down there. But >around Christmas and Easter we enjoyed it. The weather is usually pretty >nice then, but you can hit some rain and cool temps, which we have a time >or >two, but it was still great. > > > > > >There are plenty of private parks, marinas etc. but be certain if it is >on the Gulf or the Atlantic side. There are some low bridges and getting >from one side to the other may take a little doing. We especially like the >Atlantic side, weather permitting, because clear water is fairly near >shore. >On either side, careful navigation is important because of the shallows. I >would love to do more exploring down there myself. > > > > > >Joseph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bill Effros > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > > > > Joseph, > > > > > > My plan to someday trailer down to the Keys has become something of a > > > bad joke, like the Cubs winning the World Series, still, any >information > > > you could provide would be welcome, and will surely go into my >personal >FAQ. > > > > > > Bill Effros > > > > > > J Cook wrote: > > > > > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from >the >St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as >much >during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out >in >the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this >year. > > > > > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's >a >full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even >if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. > > > > > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. > > > > > > > >Joseph > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Robert >Quinn> > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail >list> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just >running > > > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were >supposed to > > > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. > > > > > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "J Cook" >k@msn.com>>> > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >2-list@rhodes22.org>> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for >extended > > > > vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe >some > > > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel >once in a > > > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down >here in > > > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the >north. > > > > > > > > Joseph > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Use >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? >www.rhodes22.org/listist> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Use >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? >www.rhodes22.org/listist> > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, >Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, >Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 08:34:59 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sat Jun 11 07:35:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad, I would love to go by boat but really don't have the time. Wally >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett >Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:07 AM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake > > >Wally, > >Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, >you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on >Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If my >schedule works out this September I'm going to take >the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I haven't >actually done the math but I think I can do it in >about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days just >to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I hook-up >with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes >some time to recover. > >Brad > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to your > > end of the river. I > > have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I need > > to get off my a** and > > get it done. > > > > Wally > > > > >From: "anima13" > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > > areas > > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > > > > > >Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop here > > and say the sailing is > > >better > > >here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. > > >Anne > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > > Behalf Of J Cook > > >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > > areas > > > > > > > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our > > boat out from the St > > >John's River, which is nice during the winter but I > > don't like it as much > > >during the summer. She (our boat) spent last > > hurricane season moored out > > >in > > >the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to > > make a run for it this > > >year. > > > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple > > of times. That's a full > > >day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part > > of boating, but even if I > > >take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull > > speed. > > > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler > > weather of late. > > > > > >Joseph > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Robert Quinn > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail > > list > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > > areas > > > > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I > > think you are just running > > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. > > Kathy and I were supposed to > > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we > > cancelled out. > > > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J Cook" > > > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or > > favorite places for extended > > > vacationing with the R22 that our list members > > may have. Maybe some > > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a > > nice B&B or hotel once > > >in > > >a > > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a > > little warm down here > > >in > > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a > > few degrees to the north. > > > > > > Joseph > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > > Help? > > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > > Help? > > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/ >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 08:40:04 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sat Jun 11 07:40:10 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints SC reply In-Reply-To: <000001c56deb$cca82180$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Seems everyone loves BBQ. I really prefer NC style over SC. Most of the places including Maurice's use a mustard base sauce. I prefer the Western NC style sauce but it is all good. Wally >From: "ed kroposki" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints SC reply >Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:39:51 -0400 > >Bill: > Rummy has the market cornered, that is on the corner, in Anderson, >SC. He has the original 'Three Pigs'. Hwy 76 from I-85, the Mall, and >restaurant row toward downtown. > Pay Rummy a visit and have him take you there. Closed Sundays and >Mondays. Third generation running the place. I challenge you to eat a >whole dinner plate. That can only be done by Clemson football linemen. > Good stuff. > There used to be a directory of BBQ places in the south. I was >amazed when I looked thru it and had been to some four star places. So, I >can compare this with the best. > Maurice's in Columbia is still good. That is the original place >south of the city. Piggy Park. > Bessinger's in Charleston is passable. > >Ed K >Greenville, SC, USA >Not aware of any really good places in Greenville. Henry's is acceptable. > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 08:45:51 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sat Jun 11 07:45:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] UPS and sail trim In-Reply-To: <42a9c0f6.2519cd9c.26c0.ffffae7a@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mark, Thanks I bookmarked site. I also have "Sail Trim Guide". Great book with good drawings. Wally >From: "Mark Kaynor" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] UPS and sail trim >Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:33:42 -0400 > >All, > >Just before we left Blacksburg for Deltaville I was just going through some >back issues of Cruising World and came a cross a three articles in the May >(I'm pretty sure it was May) issue regarding light wind sailing. They >discuss code 0 sails like the Doyle UPS, and have some good downwind / >lightwind techniques. > >In the same vein, this web site has been being discussed on the Tayana site >and seems like it would be of benefit to any sailor who wants to learn how >to better trim their sails: http://www.arvelgentry.com/index.html > >The fellow who posted the link included the following: > >I've mentioned several times about the precision of sail trim and its ease >in doing so. >The following URLs are the recently recompiled Arvel Gentry website that >contain the 'seminal' articles of the aerodynamics of sails written by the >penultimate sailor/aerodynamicist that radically changed the way that >sailors interpret the flow, trim and other 'goodies' about sails. Gentry >was the one who 'de-bunked' the slot effect, and perhaps is the ONLY one >who >correctly explained the interaction of a staysail flown under a genoa. >Gentry's articles 'revolutionized' the way sailors interpreted and set >their >sails, and in effect was the 'secret weapon' used by the American entries >of >the America's Cup boats .... you remember back when the US boats WON. > >And > >The articles on "Gentry Tufts" (sail trim, better close winded, etc.) that >appeared in Sail Magazine were the 'landmark'. I got introduced to these >articles (then top secret info) by several crew members of Americas Cup >boats in the 70s-80s ..... and from then on I hardly ever got less than a >second place when racing. Gentry was the 'aero' consultant to the American >ACup boats for about 15 years. Those AC boats weren't better than their >competitors, they were 'sailed better' due to the Gentry Tufts, etc. >More importantly the 'tuft system' will allow you to keep sailing your >Tayana when other boats are either turning on their engines ... or are >heaving-to. > >FYI, for those that are strictly non-technical the "Sail Trim Guide" by Don >Guilette (a world class C30 racer) is a wonderful guide to sail trim and >shaping. Don took the Gentry articles and boiled them down into *very* >simple and easy to understand directions (without lengthy explanation) .... >available from www.sailboatowners.com. Don's guide will promote good sail >draft location, proper amount of sail draft, as well as other important >trim/shape considerations (twist, etc.) . Well worth the few $$. > >Mark Kaynor > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 08:58:34 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sat Jun 11 07:58:40 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination In-Reply-To: <000001c56dc3$4edb4390$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Bill with any luck I will be at Cape Look Out some time next week! Wally >From: "ed kroposki" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination >Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:49:59 -0400 > >Bill: > Too bad you can not take Wally with you. He has been wanting to >that area for several years. > I presume that you had a digital camera for your trip to the outer >banks. Does it take memory chips? For about $30 you can get another one. >Very few pictures of your last trip. Oh, you need to get a tiller tamer to >free your hands? > I did check back thru the pictures you sent, and I never saw the >Cape Lookout Light house. I am wondering if you fudged that segment of the >episode. Document your locations with pictures that we can verify. >Beaufort was quite accurate. You did have the Harbor Masters quarters in >one picture. > In the past there was a R22 in Mobile, but I believe it was sold. >As far as I can tell there is no one on the list currently familiar with >the >coast in that area. So, the rest of the US and Canada will be waiting for >your reports. >+ >Ed K >Greenville, SC, USA >Look here, they have screened in Lulu's: >www.liveeyenet.com/lulus/ >Go to Panama City and stop there. Give your business buddies some >atmosphere. Sit a table in camera view. Let us know when you will be >there. >Get somebody to do a screen picture capture. The place is on the ICW. I >guess they are trying to control the bugs (no see ums). > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From anima13 at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 11 08:51:54 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Sat Jun 11 08:54:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: <20050610160634.46990.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OK!! Love to see y'all Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:07 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Wally, Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If my schedule works out this September I'm going to take the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I haven't actually done the math but I think I can do it in about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days just to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I hook-up with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes some time to recover. Brad --- Wally Buck wrote: > Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to your > end of the river. I > have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I need > to get off my a** and > get it done. > > Wally > > >From: "anima13" > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > > > >Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop here > and say the sailing is > >better > >here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. > >Anne > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > Behalf Of J Cook > >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > > > > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our > boat out from the St > >John's River, which is nice during the winter but I > don't like it as much > >during the summer. She (our boat) spent last > hurricane season moored out > >in > >the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to > make a run for it this > >year. > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple > of times. That's a full > >day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part > of boating, but even if I > >take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull > speed. > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler > weather of late. > > > >Joseph > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Quinn > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail > list > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I > think you are just running > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. > Kathy and I were supposed to > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we > cancelled out. > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Cook" > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or > favorite places for extended > > vacationing with the R22 that our list members > may have. Maybe some > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a > nice B&B or hotel once > >in > >a > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a > little warm down here > >in > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a > few degrees to the north. > > > > Joseph > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? > >www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From anima13 at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 11 08:51:57 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Sat Jun 11 08:54:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: <20050610160634.46990.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brad, I am at Green Turtle bay now. Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:07 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Wally, Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If my schedule works out this September I'm going to take the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I haven't actually done the math but I think I can do it in about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days just to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I hook-up with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes some time to recover. Brad --- Wally Buck wrote: > Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to your > end of the river. I > have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I need > to get off my a** and > get it done. > > Wally > > >From: "anima13" > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > > > >Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop here > and say the sailing is > >better > >here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. > >Anne > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > Behalf Of J Cook > >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > > > > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our > boat out from the St > >John's River, which is nice during the winter but I > don't like it as much > >during the summer. She (our boat) spent last > hurricane season moored out > >in > >the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to > make a run for it this > >year. > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple > of times. That's a full > >day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part > of boating, but even if I > >take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull > speed. > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler > weather of late. > > > >Joseph > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Quinn > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail > list > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I > think you are just running > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. > Kathy and I were supposed to > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we > cancelled out. > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Cook" > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or > favorite places for extended > > vacationing with the R22 that our list members > may have. Maybe some > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a > nice B&B or hotel once > >in > >a > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a > little warm down here > >in > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a > few degrees to the north. > > > > Joseph > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? > >www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From sanderico at earthlink.net Sat Jun 11 09:01:27 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Sat Jun 11 09:01:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures Message-ID: <32901480.1118494888179.JavaMail.root@wamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Peter, I don't think it makes a lot of difference whether you use the aft or forward lowers on the crane. There may be a small advantage to using the aft lowers on the crane because they tend to rotate the mast bracket a little bit more and may keep the forward lowers (on the cabin top chain plates) tighter just a bit longer during lifting or lowering. The difference is not a great deal though. I have done it both ways many times and never had a problem either way. But, as I recall, Stan recommended using the aft lowers. Hope this helps. Rik -----Original Message----- From: Peter Thorn Sent: Jun 10, 2005 4:37 PM To: Rhodes 22 List Members Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures Slim and Bill, Thanks for posting the mast procedures again. Now that I've tried it a few times, it makes a lot more sense and the reading is certainly a little more interesting. However I was surprised to read the part about connecting the *aft* lowers to the mast crane. Raven doesn't seem to be set up that way. On Raven, the forward lowers have fast-pins and all the other turnbuckles are fixed with ring-dings. So, I connected the forward lowers to the crane and everything worked just fine - it's actually less work than you both describe. The fast-pins speed the connection from the crane hoist to the chainplates a little bit too. When I checked the rig tension with the Loos gauge everything was within specs, except the forward lowers needed a little tightening as one might expect. I know I'm pretty lucky that Mark and the other previous owners took such thought and care in setting up Raven quite nicely. But I still wonder if I'm missing something: why do the instructions call for connecting the *aft* lowers to the crane? To paraphrase Rumsfeld "I don't know what I don't know". Does it make a difference which lowers you use? Thanks, PT __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From anima13 at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 11 09:02:07 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Sat Jun 11 09:04:28 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wally, I would just love to have you here. I do understand the time thing. We can go all the way to the gulf from here and it takes 10-12 days down the Tom Bigbee waterway. Your river journey would not stop at Pickwick but come through Nashville and end up coming through Lake Barkley, then thru the canal to Kentucky Lake. However, it is a 5 hour drive on the freeway!! Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Wally Buck Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 6:35 AM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Brad, I would love to go by boat but really don't have the time. Wally >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett >Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:07 AM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake > > >Wally, > >Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, >you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on >Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If my >schedule works out this September I'm going to take >the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I haven't >actually done the math but I think I can do it in >about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days just >to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I hook-up >with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes >some time to recover. > >Brad > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to your > > end of the river. I > > have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I need > > to get off my a** and > > get it done. > > > > Wally > > > > >From: "anima13" > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > > areas > > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > > > > > >Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop here > > and say the sailing is > > >better > > >here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. > > >Anne > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > > Behalf Of J Cook > > >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > > areas > > > > > > > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our > > boat out from the St > > >John's River, which is nice during the winter but I > > don't like it as much > > >during the summer. She (our boat) spent last > > hurricane season moored out > > >in > > >the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to > > make a run for it this > > >year. > > > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple > > of times. That's a full > > >day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part > > of boating, but even if I > > >take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull > > speed. > > > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler > > weather of late. > > > > > >Joseph > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Robert Quinn > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail > > list > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > > areas > > > > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I > > think you are just running > > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. > > Kathy and I were supposed to > > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we > > cancelled out. > > > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J Cook" > > > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or > > favorite places for extended > > > vacationing with the R22 that our list members > > may have. Maybe some > > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a > > nice B&B or hotel once > > >in > > >a > > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a > > little warm down here > > >in > > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a > > few degrees to the north. > > > > > > Joseph > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > > Help? > > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > > Help? > > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/ >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 10:06:06 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 11 09:06:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Groups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AAE1BE.7020109@effros.com> Exaltation of larks, rafter of turkeys, shimmer of hummingbirds, brace of woodcock, parliament of owls...it goes on, and on. The problem is many of them are pre-Internet urban legends. A guy wrote a book about this, starting from roughly the same place you started. Then he started making things up. It got passed around to the point where no one knows what's real anymore--they just can't find references earlier than the guy's book. Hint--some of these animals don't travel in groups, so it's unlikely there was ever a word for them hanging out together. Bill Effros Slim wrote: >Just for fun: > >It's a bale of turtles, a gaggle of geese, a stand of trees and a stand of >pipes (bagpipes), a pod of dolphins and a murder of crows. > >What other ones are there that are interesting like that? > >Slimmy > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 11 10:07:28 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Sat Jun 11 09:07:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Sea of Cortez References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c56d57$5c196e40$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <42A9C67C.1070903@effros.com><42AA6443.7030603@effros.com> <012001c56e56$fe81f620$6501a8c0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000b01c56e86$85233fc0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Wow! Go for it and enjoy. We'll be anxious to hear how it went. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Geankoplis" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The Sea of Cortez > I've been a bit busy and kinda of quiet, but like William, I too have an > itch thats gota be scratched. I'll be trailering my 1983 down to Bay of > Angles about a third of the way down Baja California on the Sea of Cortez > side. I'll be going down with a fellow teacher who will be towing his > Ranger 23 and has done this trip several times. > > My Brother and I will then take a leasurly 250 mile sail south to Loreto > where he will fly back to the states and My wife will fly in a few days > later. We will then sail north for a couple of weeks and meet our 22 year > old son in Bay of Angles where after a few days overlap we'll take his car > and he and his 3 friends will sail the boat around the Islands and > (hopefully) bring the truck and boat up in a couple of weeks. > > Lots of lists and $ still to do in the next week but It is going to > happen. > I will endevor to provide the list with the vicarious sailing everyone has > provided each other in the past. And yes I'll take lots of digital pics, > never can have too many. I'm afraid that there are only 3 towns along the > way, the rest is esentially uninhabitated desert so marinas and B&B with > computer hookups will be hard to find. I should be back by mid to late > July > and will send out some stuff then! > > Chris G > Medford OR > SV Enosis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Effros" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > >> Joseph, >> >> This is exactly what I need to know! Thank you. I've driven through >> the Keys innumerable times over the past 50 years, and watched them (and >> the roads and bridges) change. I've chartered boats and gone out on >> both the Atlantic and Gulf sides. I've snorkeled at Pennekamp, and I >> love it. But I've never put it all together with my own boat, which, >> because our home waters are spectacular, has remained something of a >> home body. >> >> We stay with a friend in Coconut Grove who is within walking distance of >> Dinner Key Marina (Brad--Original base for Pan Am's flying boats--by the >> way, who else has ever had one of those things land ((is that the right >> term in this instance?)) over them while sailing? Scary!) and every time >> we go there I wonder why I didn't bring my boat. >> >> Armed with this additional information, maybe I'll make it this year. >> Everyone else on this list has heard that before, but maybe, just >> maybe... >> >> Thanks again. Any other recent experiences with marinas and facilities >> will be appreciated. >> >> Bill Effros >> >> J Cook wrote: >> >> >I have made several trips to the Keys. We go to Brachia Honda State >> >Park, > and John Pennekamp Coral Reef State Park. We've also been to the > Everglades > National Park a few times, but with a 16 foot Gheenoe and a 25 foot motor > cruiser. The were all great, but the Everglade is VERY BUGGY during the > summer. >> > >> >If you like to snorkel or scuba, Pennekamp is great. A nice little > marina, moorings and campsites are available. Bahia Honda didn't have > official mooring grounds when we were there last, but they do have some > nice > cabins. >> > >> >Reservations at Bahia Honda campground are tough to get. They start > taking reservations a year in advance and, especially for popular dates, > they fill up within an hour or two of opening their phone lines in the > morning. We haven't had any problem getting into the marina though. It's > tucked back in and very well protected. >> > >> >Pennekamp has been less crowded for some reason. And the coral reefs > there are terrific. We stayed in the marina, but it looked like there > were > plenty of protected places available for mooring out. It's been a two > years > since I've been there, so I would give the park a call concerning rules > etc. >> > >> >I can't personally say what summer sailing is like down there. But > around Christmas and Easter we enjoyed it. The weather is usually pretty > nice then, but you can hit some rain and cool temps, which we have a time > or > two, but it was still great. >> > >> >There are plenty of private parks, marinas etc. but be certain if it is > on the Gulf or the Atlantic side. There are some low bridges and getting > from one side to the other may take a little doing. We especially like > the > Atlantic side, weather permitting, because clear water is fairly near > shore. > On either side, careful navigation is important because of the shallows. > I > would love to do more exploring down there myself. >> > >> >Joseph >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Bill Effros >> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:57 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas >> > >> > >> > Joseph, >> > >> > My plan to someday trailer down to the Keys has become something of a >> > bad joke, like the Cubs winning the World Series, still, any > information >> > you could provide would be welcome, and will surely go into my >> > personal > FAQ. >> > >> > Bill Effros >> > >> > J Cook wrote: >> > >> > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the > St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as > much > during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out > in > the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this > year. >> > > >> > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's >> > a > full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but > even > if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. >> > > >> > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. >> > > >> > >Joseph >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: Robert > Quinn> >> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail > list> >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas >> > > >> > > >> > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just > running >> > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were > supposed to >> > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. >> > > >> > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. >> > > >> > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "J Cook" > k@msn.com>>> >> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > 2-list@rhodes22.org>> >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM >> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas >> > > >> > > >> > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for > extended >> > > vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe > some >> > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel > once in a >> > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down > here in >> > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the > north. >> > > >> > > Joseph >> > > __________________________________________________ >> > > Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org -list@rhodes22.org>, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list ist> >> > > >> > > >> > > __________________________________________________ >> > > Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org -list@rhodes22.org>, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list ist> >> > >__________________________________________________ >> > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 10:13:03 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 11 09:13:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints SC reply In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AAE35F.9030804@effros.com> Wally, Eastern NC is probably my favorite BBQ style, however the joints have been declining over the past 10 years. The last couple of times I went to Wilbers in Goldsboro I was disappointed. Do you know any good places for Eastern NC style? Bill Effros Wally Buck wrote: > Seems everyone loves BBQ. I really prefer NC style over SC. Most of > the places including Maurice's use a mustard base sauce. I prefer the > Western NC style sauce but it is all good. > > Wally > >> From: "ed kroposki" >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints SC reply >> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:39:51 -0400 >> >> Bill: >> Rummy has the market cornered, that is on the corner, in Anderson, >> SC. He has the original 'Three Pigs'. Hwy 76 from I-85, the Mall, and >> restaurant row toward downtown. >> Pay Rummy a visit and have him take you there. Closed Sundays and >> Mondays. Third generation running the place. I challenge you to eat a >> whole dinner plate. That can only be done by Clemson football linemen. >> Good stuff. >> There used to be a directory of BBQ places in the south. I was >> amazed when I looked thru it and had been to some four star places. >> So, I >> can compare this with the best. >> Maurice's in Columbia is still good. That is the original place >> south of the city. Piggy Park. >> Bessinger's in Charleston is passable. >> >> Ed K >> Greenville, SC, USA >> Not aware of any really good places in Greenville. Henry's is >> acceptable. >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From sanderico at earthlink.net Sat Jun 11 09:15:34 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Sat Jun 11 09:15:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD Message-ID: <13297669.1118495734879.JavaMail.root@wamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Brad and Philip, He ha ha sometimes ya just gotta chuckle. "According to my Air Force (and Air Guard) acquaintances all pilots are prima donnas who drain resources from the really important stuff. That's not true ;'0!" I wonder, without those "prima donna" pilots, what would be the point of doing all that "really important stuff"??? It's amazing somethimes how people are unable to uh .....connect the dots. Rik -----Original Message----- From: Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> Sent: Jun 10, 2005 9:29 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD Brad, I'm not sure I want you to repeat it ;'). I have two boys and I have a similar problem. The oldest barely gets out of bed and the younger is always on the computer designing games and consistantly makes the honour roll at school. Hopefully they will both find their sweet spot. Recent photos showed a huge cache of weapons captured and a bunch of high level badies. Hopefully that will slow them down a bit. Keep in mind that 48% (and at times higher) are Reserve and National Guard. The Guard and Reserve jokes have pretty much stopped. That said, the Air National Guard is not a bad choice, especially with the school perks. Most states waive tuition at state universities if you are in the Guard. With recruiting down there may be more incentives down the road. Before I was mobilized my part time job was projectionist at the Fairfax Square Theatres in Tyson's Corner. I was the main projectionist there for several years. I don't know if the job will be there when I get back though. According to my Air Force (and Air Guard) acquaintances all pilots are prima donnas who drain resources from the really important stuff. That's not true ;'0! Philip -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:49 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD Phillip, Thanks for the "gouge". He put in an application at FedEx this week to work in the hub. I can't do anything to accelerate his hiring - if they find out his dad is a crewmember it would probably be the kiss of death - the company always blames us prima donnas for everyone else not getting a raise. We're in contract negotiations right now so the same old BS is flying. Anyway, I think Alex's best bet would be to get on here and then join the local Air National Guard unit. They just got C5's and are building a new airport facility (we're getting their old one). I work with a lot of the officers in the unit and could provide some help there. He's already said he doesn't want to get stuck on a boat. His grandfather on his mother's side is retired Army Special Forces. He's said much the same thing to him as you did about the Army. Unfortunately, I didn't do a very good job of dividing up the work ethic and motivation between my two sons. The oldest I have to throttle back constantly and the youngest seems to always need a kick in the ass. Right now the youngest is discovering the joys of poverty and has finally figured out he needs to do something. If Alex can get on at the hub and in the Memphis Guard it will be the best of both worlds. FedEx will pay for college as well as the Guard. I promised to put the equivalent amount in an IRA for him. Of course at 19 he has no idea what an IRA is or why anyone would want to put money away that couldn't be spent for 40 years. The Memphis Guard has been getting activated alot lately but mostly its trips to the desert and back. I met a guy in the bar at Tysons Corner outside DC last night who's made some trips to/from Baghdad. He said the airport was opening up to passenger traffic this week but they're still using special approach procedures. There are a lot of SAMs out there and still unaccounted for Stingers from Afghanastan. After seeing the photos and reading the story of the DHL Airbus that took a missle through the engine, I'm glad I don't fly there. My biggest worry is making sure that when I get up in the middle of the night to go pee, I'm really in the bathroom (long story from before you arrived here that I don't want to repeat.) Brad --- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: > Brad, > It is a good move to push the Air Force. After > 31 years of both USMC > and US Army service, I would not counsel any young > person to join the Army > (the reasons are too long to go into here). I do > tell the kids if they are > full of P*ss and Vinegar and want to Shoot, Move and > Communicate, the USMC > is their best prospect for training and esprit de > corps, however; if they > want a good tour, making the same money, in decent > quarters and great > training/education opportunities, the Air Force is > the way to go. The Navy > is ok, but you spend a lot of time on "floats". In > the end, if you are > injured or wounded, the Army tends to kick you to > the kerb. You can > ultimately get treated but you have to fight for it. > The pat' answer is "go > to the VA". > > Philip > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf > Of brad haslett > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:50 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on > WMD > > > Wally, > > First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' Ford? > You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying that > in > this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be a > nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if > not > something bigger down the road. Bad timing for him. > His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail > for > being a crook, but for the race card which will > surely be played, just like it was for Harold, > Senior. > I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his > secure > congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's his > life. The only Republican announced against him is > that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. > > I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long > row > to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of > enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but we'll > see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" > between your political beliefs and reality. > > Brad > > > > --- Wally Buck wrote: > > > Brad, > > > > My nephew emails me every month or so with updates > > from Iraq. It does seem > > we are making progress. In the end history will be > > the judge. > > > > How about your boy Ford. It sure doesn't take much > > to buy a TN politician. > > :-0 > > > > Wally > > > > >From: brad haslett > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not > on > > WMD > > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Wally, > > > > > >Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a > > >helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had > a > > >jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who > was > > >meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" > with > > our > > >chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot > > job > > >interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his > > friend > > >who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had > been > > >activated. She was home on medical leave because > > of a > > >broken foot (not combat related). > > > > > >Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive > > progress > > >is being made that isn't being reported by the > MSM. > > >The military is putting a great deal of efforts > > >turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, > soccer > > >fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were > > happy > > >we were there and more than happy that Saddam is > > gone, > > >but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of > > >oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the > > bad > > >guys are difficult to identify because people are > > >scared to turn them in, not that the average > Iraqi > > >supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the > cops > > if > > >we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal > > >activity. There, they and their family are > killed > > if > > >they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's > > but > > >jihadists from other countries. It will continue > > to > > >be a problem for some time. She felt good about > > her > > >duty there and supported the war but expressed > that > > >morale was fading amongst the troops because of > the > > >long and extended deployments. I asked her > > >specifically what her take was on WMD and she > gave > > me > > >this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you > > ever > > >made a decision in the jet based on the > information > > >you had at the time and realized later there were > > >other options? Bush made a decision on the intel > he > > >was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". > > For > > >the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her > > service > > >and thought she and her unit were having a > positive > > >impact. > > > > > >Some people don't support the war because they > just > > >don't like war. Who does? Most of the > > non-supporters > > >just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this > > thing > > >and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi > > >people for us to abandon them at this point. We > > did > > >that once. We've had a huge military presence in > > the > > >Middle East and Europe for a long time and now > > those > > >assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a > > lameduck > > >now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just > > as I > > >have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. > > No > > >matter who the next President is (my current > money > > is > > >on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. > > > > > >Brad > > > > > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > > > Thanks for changing the sugject line but my > post > > was > > > > not about "WMDs". > > > > Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is > > not > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 11 10:23:07 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Sat Jun 11 09:23:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c56d57$5c196e40$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem><42A9C67C.1070903@effros.com> Message-ID: <001501c56e88$b4efcff0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Joseph: Your sailing and snorkeling points are indeed wonderful. Kathy and I have spent many hours sailing/boating/snorkeling in the areas that you mention. Your advice on the charts (I think a chart plotter is really nice to have) and careful navigation are critical. I would also add Biscayne Bay as a wonderful sailing venue for the R22. There are also some great sailing options on the Florida Bay side for the Rhodes 22 but no real great snorkeling spots. I mention these, as if you make the trip down and the weather on the Atlantic side is not suitable, you can salvage by cutting into Florida Bay to enjoy sailing in places like Card Sound, Barnes Sound, Blackwater Sound, Buttonwood Sound in the Key Largo area. There are also some fairly good sailing areas to the south on the Florida Bay side as well. Your advice on the time of the year is also very sound. Anything after June gets really hot, humid, buggy, and thunderstormy. The Keys in August, in my opinion, is a place to avoid. Of course I could say that for most of Florida during the July, August, and early September time frame. Bob on the "NoKaOi" PS: For the snorkeling crowd, the reefs north and south of John Pennekamp are among the best in the world. They get crowded at times but are well worth the effort. I've seen some of the biggest lobster on these reefs: they are protected in a lot of the reef areas so they do quite well. I think they know the boundaries and just like to taunt the "bug hunters." ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas I have made several trips to the Keys. We go to Brachia Honda State Park, and John Pennekamp Coral Reef State Park. We've also been to the Everglades National Park a few times, but with a 16 foot Gheenoe and a 25 foot motor cruiser. The were all great, but the Everglade is VERY BUGGY during the summer. If you like to snorkel or scuba, Pennekamp is great. A nice little marina, moorings and campsites are available. Bahia Honda didn't have official mooring grounds when we were there last, but they do have some nice cabins. Reservations at Bahia Honda campground are tough to get. They start taking reservations a year in advance and, especially for popular dates, they fill up within an hour or two of opening their phone lines in the morning. We haven't had any problem getting into the marina though. It's tucked back in and very well protected. Pennekamp has been less crowded for some reason. And the coral reefs there are terrific. We stayed in the marina, but it looked like there were plenty of protected places available for mooring out. It's been a two years since I've been there, so I would give the park a call concerning rules etc. I can't personally say what summer sailing is like down there. But around Christmas and Easter we enjoyed it. The weather is usually pretty nice then, but you can hit some rain and cool temps, which we have a time or two, but it was still great. There are plenty of private parks, marinas etc. but be certain if it is on the Gulf or the Atlantic side. There are some low bridges and getting from one side to the other may take a little doing. We especially like the Atlantic side, weather permitting, because clear water is fairly near shore. On either side, careful navigation is important because of the shallows. I would love to do more exploring down there myself. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Effros To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas Joseph, My plan to someday trailer down to the Keys has become something of a bad joke, like the Cubs winning the World Series, still, any information you could provide would be welcome, and will surely go into my personal FAQ. Bill Effros J Cook wrote: >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as much during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out in the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this year. > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's a full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. > >Joseph > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Quinn> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list> > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running > from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to > head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Cook" >> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >> > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended > vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. > > Joseph > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From sanderico at earthlink.net Sat Jun 11 09:24:48 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Sat Jun 11 09:24:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures Message-ID: <10560306.1118496288780.JavaMail.root@wamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Slim, That would be bail :-) :-) Rik -----Original Message----- From: Slim Sent: Jun 11, 2005 3:58 AM To: Rhodes Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures Bale or bail or behl or bayl...can I get a ruling on this? On 6/11/05 3:45 AM, "Slim" wrote: >> Ah ha! There must be many versions of this equipment. > > That's exactly right, Peter, and it's the reason why Bill and I and others > have had difficulty coming up with a standardized procedure. For ex, IIRC > Rob Lowe uses his trailer winch instead of the GB crane. Others lower the > mast to the bow. Your hand rail lines are something from the past although > I don't know how far back. Fandango is a 1990 and it came with the 8" > extensions that are just a piece of aluminum with holes on each end--one for > the turnbuckle and one for the chain plate. But I've also seen an 8" length > of chain used for the extensions. The newer boats have a "bail" or "bale" > (?) about six feet up the mast that's used to hook a line onto the crane > instead of the shrouds. That's better/faster still. > > Slim > > > > Raven does not have >> 8" extensions, but she does have a mast stabilizing triangulation device, >> basically two lines with clips, which are set on an extention of the mast >> bolt line on the grab rails and extend up the mast about 6' on each side. >> Since the triangulation in on the pivot line, they don't loosen as the mast >> goes up. However, they do add extra steps, to install and remove them. >> Thanks. >> >> I still have the feeling I may be missing something. What year is Fandango? >> >> PT >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Slim" >> To: "Rhodes" >> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures >> >> >>> Peter, >>> >>> The forward lowers should have the 8" extensions added and then connected >> to >>> their chain plates. These help to prevent side sway in the mast as it's >>> going up (or down) As the mast gets higher, the upper shrouds take over >> to >>> prevent the sway. Both uppers and forward lowers combine to prevent the >>> sway. That leaves the aft lowers available to hook up to the crane. >>> >>> I can see where your method (using the forward lowers to the crane) would >>> certainly save some time, but it's not as safe. I usually do this >> procedure >>> on the water, so any waves or rocking the boat would cause the mast to >> sway >>> from side to side, so I need to use the four shrouds to prevent that. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Slim >>> >>> On 6/10/05 4:37 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: >>> >>>> Slim and Bill, >>>> >>>> Thanks for posting the mast procedures again. Now that I've tried it a >> few >>>> times, it makes a lot more sense and the reading is certainly a little >> more >>>> interesting. However I was surprised to read the part about connecting >> the >>>> *aft* lowers to the mast crane. >>>> >>>> Raven doesn't seem to be set up that way. On Raven, the forward lowers >> have >>>> fast-pins and all the other turnbuckles are fixed with ring-dings. So, >> I >>>> connected the forward lowers to the crane and everything worked just >> fine - >>>> it's actually less work than you both describe. The fast-pins speed the >>>> connection from the crane hoist to the chainplates a little bit too. >> When I >>>> checked the rig tension with the Loos gauge everything was within specs, >>>> except the forward lowers needed a little tightening as one might >> expect. >>>> >>>> I know I'm pretty lucky that Mark and the other previous owners took >> such >>>> thought and care in setting up Raven quite nicely. But I still wonder >> if I'm >>>> missing something: why do the instructions call for connecting the >> *aft* >>>> lowers to the crane? To paraphrase Rumsfeld "I don't know what I don't >> know". >>>> Does it make a difference which lowers you use? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> PT >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 10:31:59 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 11 09:32:17 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AAE7CF.90705@effros.com> Slim, Next winter I would like to try to organize a list of evolving changes on the R-22--like the old VW Beetle ads. People discuss how they do things on their boats without realizing Stan made changes over the years. Maybe some of the earlier ideas are better than some of the later ones. The guy with the boat in CT mentioned some twisting maneuver on the gooseneck of his non-IMF boom which he said works well. I like the Spitzer furler better than the CDI. The boat rails have changed many times--the ones I have are just great. The centerboard lifting mechanism has changed. The gudgeons change. I have Stan's rudder clutch, and think it's the best way to go--if it's rigged properly and you know how to use it. The block on my boom was never rigged properly from the factory, and I've always had trouble with it--I'm going to figure it out this year. Now that I've taken apart my IMF, and Stan told me how to put it back together, it will work better than ever before. I'm going to add Stan's mast cleat. I just took out my marine head and put in a plumbed Porto-Potty. Chlorinated fresh water flushing is a great improvement in the smell department. etc. Bill Effros Slim wrote: >>Ah ha! There must be many versions of this equipment. >> >> > >That's exactly right, Peter, and it's the reason why Bill and I and others >have had difficulty coming up with a standardized procedure. For ex, IIRC >Rob Lowe uses his trailer winch instead of the GB crane. Others lower the >mast to the bow. Your hand rail lines are something from the past although >I don't know how far back. Fandango is a 1990 and it came with the 8" >extensions that are just a piece of aluminum with holes on each end--one for >the turnbuckle and one for the chain plate. But I've also seen an 8" length >of chain used for the extensions. The newer boats have a "bail" or "bale" >(?) about six feet up the mast that's used to hook a line onto the crane >instead of the shrouds. That's better/faster still. > >Slim > > > > Raven does not have > > >>8" extensions, but she does have a mast stabilizing triangulation device, >>basically two lines with clips, which are set on an extention of the mast >>bolt line on the grab rails and extend up the mast about 6' on each side. >>Since the triangulation in on the pivot line, they don't loosen as the mast >>goes up. However, they do add extra steps, to install and remove them. >>Thanks. >> >>I still have the feeling I may be missing something. What year is Fandango? >> >>PT >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Slim" >>To: "Rhodes" >>Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:56 PM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures >> >> >> >> >>>Peter, >>> >>>The forward lowers should have the 8" extensions added and then connected >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>their chain plates. These help to prevent side sway in the mast as it's >>>going up (or down) As the mast gets higher, the upper shrouds take over >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>prevent the sway. Both uppers and forward lowers combine to prevent the >>>sway. That leaves the aft lowers available to hook up to the crane. >>> >>>I can see where your method (using the forward lowers to the crane) would >>>certainly save some time, but it's not as safe. I usually do this >>> >>> >>procedure >> >> >>>on the water, so any waves or rocking the boat would cause the mast to >>> >>> >>sway >> >> >>>from side to side, so I need to use the four shrouds to prevent that. >>> >>>Hope this helps, >>> >>>Slim >>> >>>On 6/10/05 4:37 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Slim and Bill, >>>> >>>>Thanks for posting the mast procedures again. Now that I've tried it a >>>> >>>> >>few >> >> >>>>times, it makes a lot more sense and the reading is certainly a little >>>> >>>> >>more >> >> >>>>interesting. However I was surprised to read the part about connecting >>>> >>>> >>the >> >> >>>>*aft* lowers to the mast crane. >>>> >>>>Raven doesn't seem to be set up that way. On Raven, the forward lowers >>>> >>>> >>have >> >> >>>>fast-pins and all the other turnbuckles are fixed with ring-dings. So, >>>> >>>> >>I >> >> >>>>connected the forward lowers to the crane and everything worked just >>>> >>>> >>fine - >> >> >>>>it's actually less work than you both describe. The fast-pins speed the >>>>connection from the crane hoist to the chainplates a little bit too. >>>> >>>> >>When I >> >> >>>>checked the rig tension with the Loos gauge everything was within specs, >>>>except the forward lowers needed a little tightening as one might >>>> >>>> >>expect. >> >> >>>>I know I'm pretty lucky that Mark and the other previous owners took >>>> >>>> >>such >> >> >>>>thought and care in setting up Raven quite nicely. But I still wonder >>>> >>>> >>if I'm >> >> >>>>missing something: why do the instructions call for connecting the >>>> >>>> >>*aft* >> >> >>>>lowers to the crane? To paraphrase Rumsfeld "I don't know what I don't >>>> >>>> >>know". >> >> >>>>Does it make a difference which lowers you use? >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>> >>>>PT >>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From sanderico at earthlink.net Sat Jun 11 09:34:27 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Sat Jun 11 09:34:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Message-ID: <7939208.1118496867794.JavaMail.root@wamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Anne, Brad and whoever else might be interested, It looks, this year, like we will be down at KY Lake starting on the weekend of Sept 30th and going through Oct 9th or so. Don't have a calender in front of me right this minute, but I think this is about right. Rod and Mary, are you up for the trip this year??? Rik -----Original Message----- From: anima13 Sent: Jun 11, 2005 7:51 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Brad, I am at Green Turtle bay now. Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:07 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Wally, Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If my schedule works out this September I'm going to take the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I haven't actually done the math but I think I can do it in about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days just to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I hook-up with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes some time to recover. Brad --- Wally Buck wrote: > Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to your > end of the river. I > have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I need > to get off my a** and > get it done. > > Wally > > >From: "anima13" > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > > > >Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop here > and say the sailing is > >better > >here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. > >Anne > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > Behalf Of J Cook > >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > > > > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our > boat out from the St > >John's River, which is nice during the winter but I > don't like it as much > >during the summer. She (our boat) spent last > hurricane season moored out > >in > >the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to > make a run for it this > >year. > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple > of times. That's a full > >day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part > of boating, but even if I > >take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull > speed. > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler > weather of late. > > > >Joseph > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Quinn > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail > list > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I > think you are just running > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. > Kathy and I were supposed to > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we > cancelled out. > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Cook" > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or > favorite places for extended > > vacationing with the R22 that our list members > may have. Maybe some > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a > nice B&B or hotel once > >in > >a > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a > little warm down here > >in > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a > few degrees to the north. > > > > Joseph > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > Help? > >www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From sanderico at earthlink.net Sat Jun 11 09:38:36 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Sat Jun 11 09:38:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures Message-ID: <26111381.1118497116787.JavaMail.root@wamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Peter, After reading a bit further and seeing what you have, it probably doesn't matter which shrouds you use on the crane. I would use the forwards with your setup. If you get really serious about quick setup you could leave the afts hookd to their chain plates all the time. Rik -----Original Message----- From: Rik Sandberg Sent: Jun 11, 2005 8:01 AM To: Peter Thorn , The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures Peter, I don't think it makes a lot of difference whether you use the aft or forward lowers on the crane. There may be a small advantage to using the aft lowers on the crane because they tend to rotate the mast bracket a little bit more and may keep the forward lowers (on the cabin top chain plates) tighter just a bit longer during lifting or lowering. The difference is not a great deal though. I have done it both ways many times and never had a problem either way. But, as I recall, Stan recommended using the aft lowers. Hope this helps. Rik -----Original Message----- From: Peter Thorn Sent: Jun 10, 2005 4:37 PM To: Rhodes 22 List Members Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures Slim and Bill, Thanks for posting the mast procedures again. Now that I've tried it a few times, it makes a lot more sense and the reading is certainly a little more interesting. However I was surprised to read the part about connecting the *aft* lowers to the mast crane. Raven doesn't seem to be set up that way. On Raven, the forward lowers have fast-pins and all the other turnbuckles are fixed with ring-dings. So, I connected the forward lowers to the crane and everything worked just fine - it's actually less work than you both describe. The fast-pins speed the connection from the crane hoist to the chainplates a little bit too. When I checked the rig tension with the Loos gauge everything was within specs, except the forward lowers needed a little tightening as one might expect. I know I'm pretty lucky that Mark and the other previous owners took such thought and care in setting up Raven quite nicely. But I still wonder if I'm missing something: why do the instructions call for connecting the *aft* lowers to the crane? To paraphrase Rumsfeld "I don't know what I don't know". Does it make a difference which lowers you use? Thanks, PT __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 11 11:12:08 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Sat Jun 11 10:12:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD References: <000201c56db0$7916dba0$8f908c41@yourb8ed622a9f> <42AA142D.DD55385C@squirrelhaven.com> Message-ID: <004701c56e8f$8e0a3720$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> While I spent nearly 30 years in the Air Force, it certainly was not for the golf courses, it was because I loved it. Did I play golf? Yes, some. But I enlisted because I was enthralled by all of the books I read about the AF in WWII. While in uniform, I did serve with members of the Army, the Marines, the Coast Guard, and the Navy (I spent three months on a ship), and while I would still chose the AF, all of the services offer great opportunities. It depends on your comfort level and what satisfies you. After three months on a Navy ship, at near the end of my career, I must say that the citizens of this country have no idea as to the debt of gratitude owed to the men and women who serve in the US Navy. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Skinner" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD > Philip Esteban wrote: >> >> Brad, >> It is a good move to push the Air Force... if they >> want a good tour, making the same money, in decent >> quarters and great > training/education opportunities, >> the Air Force is the way to go... > > Then there are the golf courses... > > /Robert > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 11:52:10 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 11 10:52:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pete's Plan In-Reply-To: <000801c56dec$0069a480$660fa8c0@dell330> References: <42A9DE08.1060807@effros.com> <000801c56dec$0069a480$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <42AAFA9A.4090204@effros.com> Be glad your name is not Steve. Peter Thorn wrote: >Hey Bill, > >Nice to hear from you -- but it's the wrong Pete. > >PT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Effros" >To: "R22 List" >Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:38 PM >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pete's Plan > > > > >>Bruce, >> >>I've been having a lot of trouble sending you email back channel--just >>noticed that this never went through. This was several days ago. Since >>then my boat has been launched (without incident--a dinghy was my >>co-pilot). I hosed down the trailer, and left it where it had been, >>across from yours. Here's the message you never got: >> >>Saw Pete at the Point yesterday and learned his plan. >> >>He plans to lift your boat off my trailer, bottom paint it, and drop it >>back on your trailer for launch. >> >>I didn't know the plan until yesterday. >> >>I'm going to scurry along and launch my boat so the plan can >>progress--something I should have been doing anyhow. >> >>Bill >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 12:02:28 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 11 11:02:47 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Tamer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AAFD04.5070406@effros.com> I've had a Tiller Tamer, but I prefer the Spitzer Clamp which is totally out of the way. I added a second on the stern, port side. It's much faster than a tiller tamer. Is this another instance of talking about different things we think are the same? Bill Effros Slim wrote: > > > >>Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer? I think that might be in >>order for taking pictures. I do not have the autopilot. >> >> > >I used the tiller tamer on Fandango for the last few years but I'm going to >try to do without it this season. It's a quick and easy way to lock the >tiller but unfortunately the plastic housing seems to break easily and I had >to replace it more than once. Also, the lines prevent you from being able >to raise the tiller to gain access to the laz, so you always have to untie >and retie the lines every time you go to the laz. > >This year I'm going to use the tiller extension and the side clips on the >stern rail. It's not as quick as the tiller tamer but I'll try it for a >while and see if I like it better. I don't have auto-pilot. > >Slim > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From R22RumRunner at aol.com Sat Jun 11 12:14:29 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 11 11:14:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Tamer Message-ID: <45.2a06a507.2fdc59d5@aol.com> Slim, I've got two tiller tamers I'll send you (yes, free) if you want spare parts. I found it to be unworkable on my boat. Rummy From R22RumRunner at aol.com Sat Jun 11 12:17:43 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 11 11:17:53 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Message-ID: <210.2a0ea8b.2fdc5a97@aol.com> Anne, So tell us, is bigger better? Just wondering how you like the new boat? Rummy From wewickman at duke-energy.com Sat Jun 11 13:05:48 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Sat Jun 11 12:06:03 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Message-ID: When are you all going to do the KY Lake thing? I was at Paris Landing State Park earlier this year and KY Lake looks fabulous...and not that far from Knoxville. Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | brad haslett | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/10/2005 10:33 PM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake | >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Anne, My back door neighbors friends from Chicago brought their boat down to Green Turtle Bay rather than put it on the hard for the winter in Windy Town. Duh? Drive 30 miles for liquor or pay a gazillion dollars for winter storage.? It's about time for a "feed bag" at the Haslett household. You in? Let's get Bill and and his wife down here and teach him a thing or two about Southern Hospitality! Rik invited me. Whatever your bitch is, you blame on him. Tell Wally to go down river or I'll personally weld his trailer! R-22 2005 is shaping up to be a good time! See ya there! Brad --- anima13 wrote: > And I can do it again! > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf > Of brad haslett > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:07 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > KY Lake > > > Wally, > > Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, > you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on > Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If > my > schedule works out this September I'm going to take > the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I > haven't > actually done the math but I think I can do it in > about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days just > to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I hook-up > with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes > some time to recover. > > Brad > > --- Wally Buck wrote: > > > Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to > your > > end of the river. I > > have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I > need > > to get off my a** and > > get it done. > > > > Wally > > > > >From: "anima13" > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > > areas > > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > > > > > >Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop > here > > and say the sailing is > > >better > > >here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. > > >Anne > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > > Behalf Of J Cook > > >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > > areas > > > > > > > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled > our > > boat out from the St > > >John's River, which is nice during the winter but > I > > don't like it as much > > >during the summer. She (our boat) spent last > > hurricane season moored out > > >in > > >the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to > > make a run for it this > > >year. > > > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a > couple > > of times. That's a full > > >day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part > > of boating, but even if I > > >take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the > hull > > speed. > > > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler > > weather of late. > > > > > >Joseph > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Robert > Quinn > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail > > list > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > > areas > > > > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I > > think you are just running > > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. > > Kathy and I were supposed to > > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we > > cancelled out. > > > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J Cook" > > > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > areas > > > > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or > > favorite places for extended > > > vacationing with the R22 that our list > members > > may have. Maybe some > > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in > a > > nice B&B or hotel once > > >in > > >a > > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting > a > > little warm down here > > >in > > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a > > few degrees to the north. > > > > > > Joseph > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use > > > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > > Help? > > > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use > > > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, > > Help? > > > >www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From wewickman at duke-energy.com Sat Jun 11 13:11:51 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Sat Jun 11 12:12:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Sea of Cortez Message-ID: Chris, I'm looking forward to the story and pictures!!! Good Luck. Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | "Chris Geankoplis" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/11/2005 03:27 AM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The Sea of Cortez | >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| I've been a bit busy and kinda of quiet, but like William, I too have an itch thats gota be scratched. I'll be trailering my 1983 down to Bay of Angles about a third of the way down Baja California on the Sea of Cortez side. I'll be going down with a fellow teacher who will be towing his Ranger 23 and has done this trip several times. My Brother and I will then take a leasurly 250 mile sail south to Loreto where he will fly back to the states and My wife will fly in a few days later. We will then sail north for a couple of weeks and meet our 22 year old son in Bay of Angles where after a few days overlap we'll take his car and he and his 3 friends will sail the boat around the Islands and (hopefully) bring the truck and boat up in a couple of weeks. Lots of lists and $ still to do in the next week but It is going to happen. I will endevor to provide the list with the vicarious sailing everyone has provided each other in the past. And yes I'll take lots of digital pics, never can have too many. I'm afraid that there are only 3 towns along the way, the rest is esentially uninhabitated desert so marinas and B&B with computer hookups will be hard to find. I should be back by mid to late July and will send out some stuff then! Chris G Medford OR SV Enosis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > Joseph, > > This is exactly what I need to know! Thank you. I've driven through > the Keys innumerable times over the past 50 years, and watched them (and > the roads and bridges) change. I've chartered boats and gone out on > both the Atlantic and Gulf sides. I've snorkeled at Pennekamp, and I > love it. But I've never put it all together with my own boat, which, > because our home waters are spectacular, has remained something of a > home body. > > We stay with a friend in Coconut Grove who is within walking distance of > Dinner Key Marina (Brad--Original base for Pan Am's flying boats--by the > way, who else has ever had one of those things land ((is that the right > term in this instance?)) over them while sailing? Scary!) and every time > we go there I wonder why I didn't bring my boat. > > Armed with this additional information, maybe I'll make it this year. > Everyone else on this list has heard that before, but maybe, just maybe... > > Thanks again. Any other recent experiences with marinas and facilities > will be appreciated. > > Bill Effros > > J Cook wrote: > > >I have made several trips to the Keys. We go to Brachia Honda State Park, and John Pennekamp Coral Reef State Park. We've also been to the Everglades National Park a few times, but with a 16 foot Gheenoe and a 25 foot motor cruiser. The were all great, but the Everglade is VERY BUGGY during the summer. > > > >If you like to snorkel or scuba, Pennekamp is great. A nice little marina, moorings and campsites are available. Bahia Honda didn't have official mooring grounds when we were there last, but they do have some nice cabins. > > > >Reservations at Bahia Honda campground are tough to get. They start taking reservations a year in advance and, especially for popular dates, they fill up within an hour or two of opening their phone lines in the morning. We haven't had any problem getting into the marina though. It's tucked back in and very well protected. > > > >Pennekamp has been less crowded for some reason. And the coral reefs there are terrific. We stayed in the marina, but it looked like there were plenty of protected places available for mooring out. It's been a two years since I've been there, so I would give the park a call concerning rules etc. > > > >I can't personally say what summer sailing is like down there. But around Christmas and Easter we enjoyed it. The weather is usually pretty nice then, but you can hit some rain and cool temps, which we have a time or two, but it was still great. > > > >There are plenty of private parks, marinas etc. but be certain if it is on the Gulf or the Atlantic side. There are some low bridges and getting from one side to the other may take a little doing. We especially like the Atlantic side, weather permitting, because clear water is fairly near shore. On either side, careful navigation is important because of the shallows. I would love to do more exploring down there myself. > > > >Joseph > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Effros > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > Joseph, > > > > My plan to someday trailer down to the Keys has become something of a > > bad joke, like the Cubs winning the World Series, still, any information > > you could provide would be welcome, and will surely go into my personal FAQ. > > > > Bill Effros > > > > J Cook wrote: > > > > >We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled our boat out from the St John's River, which is nice during the winter but I don't like it as much during the summer. She (our boat) spent last hurricane season moored out in the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to make a run for it this year. > > > > > >We've trailered her to the Keys from here a couple of times. That's a full day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part of boating, but even if I take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the hull speed. > > > > > >I've just been having fantasies about some cooler weather of late. > > > > > >Joseph > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Robert Quinn> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > > > > J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I think you are just running > > > from the storm brewing to the south of us. Kathy and I were supposed to > > > head down to Marathon today for a week but we cancelled out. > > > > > > Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > > > > > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J Cook" >> > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:39 PM > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas > > > > > > > > > Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended > > > vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some > > > favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a > > > while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in > > > Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. > > > > > > Joseph > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From wewickman at duke-energy.com Sat Jun 11 13:21:40 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Sat Jun 11 12:22:13 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination Message-ID: Awsome! Be sure to linger awhile. We got there in early evening and left at first light the next morning due to our grand plan. Next time I plan to stay in the anchorage a couple of nights and check out the beach and lighthouse...and even relax. We expect a full report when you get back! Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | "Wally Buck" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/11/2005 07:58 AM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org | | cc: | | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination | >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Bill with any luck I will be at Cape Look Out some time next week! Wally >From: "ed kroposki" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's new destination >Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:49:59 -0400 > >Bill: > Too bad you can not take Wally with you. He has been wanting to >that area for several years. > I presume that you had a digital camera for your trip to the outer >banks. Does it take memory chips? For about $30 you can get another one. >Very few pictures of your last trip. Oh, you need to get a tiller tamer to >free your hands? > I did check back thru the pictures you sent, and I never saw the >Cape Lookout Light house. I am wondering if you fudged that segment of the >episode. Document your locations with pictures that we can verify. >Beaufort was quite accurate. You did have the Harbor Masters quarters in >one picture. > In the past there was a R22 in Mobile, but I believe it was sold. >As far as I can tell there is no one on the list currently familiar with >the >coast in that area. So, the rest of the US and Canada will be waiting for >your reports. >+ >Ed K >Greenville, SC, USA >Look here, they have screened in Lulu's: >www.liveeyenet.com/lulus/ >Go to Panama City and stop there. Give your business buddies some >atmosphere. Sit a table in camera view. Let us know when you will be >there. >Get somebody to do a screen picture capture. The place is on the ICW. I >guess they are trying to control the bugs (no see ums). > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From anima13 at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 11 12:36:28 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Sat Jun 11 12:38:52 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: <210.2a0ea8b.2fdc5a97@aol.com> Message-ID: Rummy, Back when you asked that question I was not at all enamored with my big boat. I wanted my Rhodes back SOOOO badly! I had tons of projects...getting off the Polyglo that was 2 years old was the seemingly insurmountable task at the time. I was moderately intimidated about taking it out alone, etc. In short I was very discouraged. However, the boat looks glamorous now after lots of compound buffing and double wax layers. Toilet is fixed. Stove and sink and all outside stainless shiny. I have worked myself to the bone. (meanwhile, my house is filthy with piles of stuff everywhere) I have taken her out alone a few times and anchored and pulled anchor alone. (No windlass(() Stay out overnight alone...nothing like waking up to coffee and a book and swinging at anchor with NO houses for miles. I have lazy jacks and auto-pilot so I can lock her into the wind and raise, lower the new mainsail. Was not sure I would like them and my racing partner bitched all winter about how he hates lazyjacks. He and I went out one afternoon and flew around the lake in big wind. When it came time to lower the sail I made him do it. He started out with ...gee, I kinda like these lazyjacks..them pretty soon he is yelling at the top of his lungs..."I LOVE these lazyjacks!" We have raced her. We are all tiller folks so having trouble with the fact that you have to tack this pig slower than our other racing boats. (one of our team members calls my boat "the pig". We pulled a very ballsy move on the two 35.5's who are the 1 & 2 boats in this class...on port we slipped in between them last week. I had been sailing the pig enough that I just KNEW we could make it...but man, it was less than 2 feet from the anchor of the oncoming boat. I am chairman of the 100 mile race and we are the committee boat, so in April we were at anchor in the middle of the lake with cold north wind howling for 27 hours. We were VERY comfortable. Played cards with the sun coming in all over. (The boat has great windows and is a medium light teak with stone cushions, thus, very pleasant inside. I detest the dark cave-look that some interiors become. This is the first friday since the first of April that I have not spent on the boat. I had a business dinner last night (((. It does have AC but you must be at dock for that. I am not a big fan of AC and would prefer to be out in a cove, but it gets hot and heavy here in July and august. So, in summary, I an now liking my bigger boat. I just wish I could have afforded to keep the Rhodes for those 1.5-2 hour sails I used to take regularly. Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of R22RumRunner@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:18 AM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Anne, So tell us, is bigger better? Just wondering how you like the new boat? Rummy __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From sprocket80 at mail.com Sat Jun 11 13:05:51 2005 From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Sat Jun 11 13:05:56 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme Message-ID: <20050611170551.09C6B6EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Bill, How far back do you plan to go listing changes? Will any a every known change be covered? There were several major noticeable ch anges made between about 1974 and 1980 involving the c/b pivot and removal front cabin port stay atachment brackets ch cockpit floor round access hatch disco changed twice, and the rudderhead design changed move on to newer boats with the IMF and furler changes? :-) scratches the surface. Then there is the cabin and interior chan I have pics of most of this. Are you sure you have the time for this? Boats magaz #7?) for sale on E- [1]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebay motors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63730&item=4555320197 &rd=1 Todd [f2_1_b.=] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Ef To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme Date: Sat, > > Slim, > > N > chan > how th > changes ov > than some > > The guy with the boat in CT mentioned > gooseneck of his non-IMF boom which > Spitzer furler better than the CDI > many times--the ones I have are just > lifting mechanism has changed. The gudgeon > rudder clutch, and think it's the best way > properly and you know how to use it. &g > The block on my boom was never rigged properly from the factory > and I've always had trouble with it--I'm going to figure it out > this year. Now that I've taken apart my IMF, and Stan told me how > to put it back together, it will work better than ever before. I'm > going to add Stan's mast cleat. > > I just took out > Chlorinated fres > smell department. < > etc. > > Bill Effros > > & > Slim wrote: > > >> Ah ha! There must be ma > >> > >> > > > That's exactly right, Peter, and it's the reason why Bi and others > > have had difficulty coming up with a stan ex, IIRC > > Rob Lowe uses his trailer wi lower the > > mast to the bow past although > > I the 8" &g each end > > the turnbuckle and one for the chain plate. But I'v an 8" length > > of chain used for the extensions. Th or "bale" > > (?) about six feet up t the crane > > instead of > > > > Slim < > > > > > > Raven does not have > > > > > >> 8" extensions, but she does h triangulation device, > >> basically tw of the mast > > each si > >> Since the triangulation in on the pivot line, they do as the mast > >> goes up. However, they do add extr remove them. > >> Thanks. > > > >> I still have the feeling I may be missing something is Fandango? > >> > >> PT > &g > >> > >> > >> > >& > >> From: "Slim" > >> To: "Rhodes" > &g > >> Subject: Re: [ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Peter, > & > >>> The forward lowers should have the 8" ext then connected > >>> > >>> > >> to > >> > >> > >> mast as it > >>> going up (or down) As the mast gets higher, the up take over > >>> > >>> > > >> > >> > >>> preve prevent the > crane. > >>> > >>> I can see where your met crane) would > >>> cer this > > > >>> > >> procedure > >&g > >> > >>> on the water, so any waves or ro mast to > >>> > >& > >> sway > >> > >> > nt that. > >>> > >>> Hope this helps, & > >>> Slim > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > >>>> > >>> tried it > >>>> > >>>> > >> few > >> > >> > >>>> times, it ma a little > >> > >>>> > >> more > >> > >> > >>>> interesting. However I was su connecting > >>>> > > >> the > >> > >> > >>>> *aft* lowers to the mast crane. > >&g > >>>> Raven doesn't seem to be set up that w forward lowers > >>>> > >> > >> have > >> > >> &g ring-dings. So, > >>>> > >>>> > > >> > >> > >>>> worked just &g > >>>> > >> fine - > >> > >>>> it's actually les speed the > >>> bit too. > >>>> > >>>> > >> When > >> > >> > >>>> checked the within specs, > > mi > >>>> > >>>> > >> e > >> > >> > >>>> I know owners took > > > >>>> > >> such > > > >> > >>>> thought and care in setti still wonder > >>>> > >> if I'm > >> > & > >>>> missing something: why do the instruction connecting the > >>>> > >>>&g > >> *aft* > >> > >> > > wha > >>>> > >>>> > > > >> > >> > >>>> D > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >> > >>>> _____________________________________ > >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Hel > >>>> > >>>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.or > >>> > >>> > >> ______ > >> Use Rhodes22 > >> > > > > > ______________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes > > > > > > > ____________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up f [2]http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup References 1. 3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& 2. 3D"http://mail01.mail.com/scripts/payment/adtracking.cgi?bannercode From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 14:13:35 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sat Jun 11 13:13:39 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anne, I forgot what did you wind up buying? Wally >From: "anima13" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake >Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:36:28 -0500 > >Rummy, >Back when you asked that question I was not at all enamored with >my big boat. I wanted my Rhodes back SOOOO badly! >I had tons of projects...getting off the Polyglo that was 2 years old was >the >seemingly insurmountable task at the time. I was moderately intimidated >about >taking it out alone, etc. In short I was very discouraged. >However, the boat looks glamorous now after lots of compound buffing and >double >wax layers. Toilet is fixed. Stove and sink and all outside stainless >shiny. >I have worked myself to the bone. (meanwhile, my house is filthy with piles >of stuff everywhere) >I have taken her out alone a few times and anchored and pulled anchor >alone. >(No windlass(() >Stay out overnight alone...nothing like waking up to coffee and a book and >swinging at >anchor with NO houses for miles. >I have lazy jacks and auto-pilot so I can lock her into the wind and raise, >lower the new >mainsail. Was not sure I would like them and my racing partner bitched all >winter about how he hates >lazyjacks. He and I went out one afternoon and flew around the lake in big >wind. When it came time >to lower the sail I made him do it. He started out with ...gee, I kinda >like >these lazyjacks..them pretty soon >he is yelling at the top of his lungs..."I LOVE these lazyjacks!" >We have raced her. We are all tiller folks so having trouble with the fact >that you have to >tack this pig slower than our other racing boats. (one of our team members >calls my boat "the pig". >We pulled a very ballsy move on the two >35.5's who are the 1 & 2 boats in this class...on port we slipped in >between >them last week. >I had been sailing the pig enough that I just KNEW we could make it...but >man, it was less than >2 feet from the anchor of the oncoming boat. >I am chairman of the 100 mile race and we are the committee boat, so in >April we were at anchor in the >middle of the lake with cold north wind howling for 27 hours. We were VERY >comfortable. Played cards with >the sun coming in all over. (The boat has great windows and is a medium >light teak with stone cushions, thus, >very pleasant inside. I detest the dark cave-look that some interiors >become. >This is the first friday since the first of April that I have not spent on >the boat. >I had a business dinner last night (((. It does have AC but you must be at >dock for that. I am not a big fan >of AC and would prefer to be out in a cove, but it gets hot and heavy here >in July and august. >So, in summary, I an now liking my bigger boat. I just wish I could have >afforded to keep the Rhodes for those >1.5-2 hour sails I used to take regularly. >Anne > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of >R22RumRunner@aol.com >Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:18 AM >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake > > >Anne, >So tell us, is bigger better? Just wondering how you like the new boat? > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 14:23:47 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sat Jun 11 13:23:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints SC reply In-Reply-To: <42AAE35F.9030804@effros.com> Message-ID: Bill, When I lived in NC it seemed like there were small BBQ places all around. Eastern NC is big on the whole hog BBQ with tomato base sauce. Western NC is pork shoulder with vinegar base sauce. SC seems to favor shoulder with Mustard base sauce. It seemed like every small town had a good place. In the Charlotte area I think Troutman’s was big and up in Ashville Three Pigs was popular. I don’t know if they exist today. We we moved to TN in 89. >From: Bill Effros >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints SC reply >Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:13:03 -0400 > >Wally, > >Eastern NC is probably my favorite BBQ style, however the joints have been >declining over the past 10 years. The last couple of times I went to >Wilbers in Goldsboro I was disappointed. Do you know any good places for >Eastern NC style? > >Bill Effros > >Wally Buck wrote: > >>Seems everyone loves BBQ. I really prefer NC style over SC. Most of the >>places including Maurice's use a mustard base sauce. I prefer the Western >>NC style sauce but it is all good. >> >>Wally >> >>>From: "ed kroposki" >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints SC reply >>>Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:39:51 -0400 >>> >>>Bill: >>> Rummy has the market cornered, that is on the corner, in Anderson, >>>SC. He has the original 'Three Pigs'. Hwy 76 from I-85, the Mall, and >>>restaurant row toward downtown. >>> Pay Rummy a visit and have him take you there. Closed Sundays and >>>Mondays. Third generation running the place. I challenge you to eat a >>>whole dinner plate. That can only be done by Clemson football linemen. >>> Good stuff. >>> There used to be a directory of BBQ places in the south. I was >>>amazed when I looked thru it and had been to some four star places. So, >>>I >>>can compare this with the best. >>> Maurice's in Columbia is still good. That is the original place >>>south of the city. Piggy Park. >>> Bessinger's in Charleston is passable. >>> >>>Ed K >>>Greenville, SC, USA >>>Not aware of any really good places in Greenville. Henry's is >>>acceptable. >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Sat Jun 11 14:33:09 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 11 13:33:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Message-ID: <89.28bd44c9.2fdc7a55@aol.com> Anne, Thanks for the reply. I often wish I had a bigger boat, but have questions about ease of sailing, crew and all that associated crap. The R22 is something I can slip into and sail whenever I get the urge. I don't need crew and the IMF makes it a fast easy decision whether or not to go out. It's really a no brainer. I guess I'll keep here for the time being, or until I win the lottery. Thanks again for the report. She's a beautiful hull. Rummy From sprocket80 at mail.com Sat Jun 11 13:47:18 2005 From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Sat Jun 11 13:47:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1980 R 22 on e-bay Message-ID: <20050611174718.3FABE1CE304@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63730&item=4555606049&rd=1 -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From anima13 at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 11 13:47:31 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Sat Jun 11 13:49:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wally, Hunter 33.5 Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Wally Buck Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 12:14 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Anne, I forgot what did you wind up buying? Wally >From: "anima13" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake >Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:36:28 -0500 > >Rummy, >Back when you asked that question I was not at all enamored with >my big boat. I wanted my Rhodes back SOOOO badly! >I had tons of projects...getting off the Polyglo that was 2 years old was >the >seemingly insurmountable task at the time. I was moderately intimidated >about >taking it out alone, etc. In short I was very discouraged. >However, the boat looks glamorous now after lots of compound buffing and >double >wax layers. Toilet is fixed. Stove and sink and all outside stainless >shiny. >I have worked myself to the bone. (meanwhile, my house is filthy with piles >of stuff everywhere) >I have taken her out alone a few times and anchored and pulled anchor >alone. >(No windlass(() >Stay out overnight alone...nothing like waking up to coffee and a book and >swinging at >anchor with NO houses for miles. >I have lazy jacks and auto-pilot so I can lock her into the wind and raise, >lower the new >mainsail. Was not sure I would like them and my racing partner bitched all >winter about how he hates >lazyjacks. He and I went out one afternoon and flew around the lake in big >wind. When it came time >to lower the sail I made him do it. He started out with ...gee, I kinda >like >these lazyjacks..them pretty soon >he is yelling at the top of his lungs..."I LOVE these lazyjacks!" >We have raced her. We are all tiller folks so having trouble with the fact >that you have to >tack this pig slower than our other racing boats. (one of our team members >calls my boat "the pig". >We pulled a very ballsy move on the two >35.5's who are the 1 & 2 boats in this class...on port we slipped in >between >them last week. >I had been sailing the pig enough that I just KNEW we could make it...but >man, it was less than >2 feet from the anchor of the oncoming boat. >I am chairman of the 100 mile race and we are the committee boat, so in >April we were at anchor in the >middle of the lake with cold north wind howling for 27 hours. We were VERY >comfortable. Played cards with >the sun coming in all over. (The boat has great windows and is a medium >light teak with stone cushions, thus, >very pleasant inside. I detest the dark cave-look that some interiors >become. >This is the first friday since the first of April that I have not spent on >the boat. >I had a business dinner last night (((. It does have AC but you must be at >dock for that. I am not a big fan >of AC and would prefer to be out in a cove, but it gets hot and heavy here >in July and august. >So, in summary, I an now liking my bigger boat. I just wish I could have >afforded to keep the Rhodes for those >1.5-2 hour sails I used to take regularly. >Anne > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of >R22RumRunner@aol.com >Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:18 AM >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake > > >Anne, >So tell us, is bigger better? Just wondering how you like the new boat? > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 15:38:05 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 11 14:38:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme In-Reply-To: <20050611170551.09C6B6EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050611170551.09C6B6EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <42AB2F8D.1070305@effros.com> Todd, I'd like to go back to the beginning and get every change we can find. No, I don't have time for it now, but I think it would be a lot of fun, and we could all learn something in the process. We can discuss why the changes were made, and whether they were an improvement from a user point of view. There are big improvements made on later boats that all earlier owners would want if they knew to ask. Left to his own devices, Stan would give everything away, so he has no incentive to market these things except on new or recycled boats. We have to price his innovations fairly so it pays for him to manufacture them in larger quantities, lower his cost, and make some money at the same time. How much was that inner IMF bearing worth to me? $1000? My IMF couldn't be reassembled without it. What were the assembly instructions worth? $250? Stan, of course, sent it all for free a few days after I asked. His attitude is that it shouldn't have broken in the first place. Fine, but it took him time and effort, and I would willingly have paid for it. If I had done so, it would have been good for all of us, because then Stan would have more of a reason to help every existing owner. The 8" aluminum extenders for the mast raising system can be added to many existing systems. They are perfect for the purpose, light in weight, and add safety to an inherently dangerous task. I always keep them on board, right where I would know to look for them the 363 days a year when I don't need them. The list could operate its own store if Stan doesn't have the time for this. Stan could still make money on it, without any additional hassle. Again--good for everyone. During the winter months I will follow up on this if I don't go to the Keys, or someone else doesn't pick up on it first. Bill Effros Todd Tavares wrote: > Bill, > How far back do you plan to go listing changes? Will any a every known change be covered? There were several major noticeable ch anges made between about 1974 and 1980 involving the c/b pivot and > removal front cabin port stay atachment brackets ch cockpit floor round access hatch disco changed twice, and the rudderhead design changed move on to newer boats with the IMF and furler changes? :-) scratches the surface. Then there is the cabin and interior chan I have pics of most of this. Are you sure you have the time for this? > Boats magaz #7?) for sale on E- > [1]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebay motors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63730&item=4555320197 &rd=1 > > Todd > [f2_1_b. ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Ef To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme > Date: Sat, > > > Slim, > > > > N > chan > how th > changes ov > than some > > > The guy with the boat in CT mentioned > gooseneck of his non-IMF boom which > Spitzer furler better than the CDI > many times--the ones I have are just > lifting mechanism has changed. The gudgeon > rudder clutch, and think it's the best way > properly and you know how to use it. > &g > The block on my boom was never rigged properly from the factory > and I've always had trouble with it--I'm going to figure it out > this year. Now that I've taken apart my IMF, and Stan told me how > to put it back together, it will work better than ever before. I'm > going to add Stan's mast cleat. > > > > I just took out > Chlorinated fres > smell department. < > etc. > > > > Bill Effros > > > > > & > Slim wrote: > > > > >> Ah ha! There must be ma > >> > > >> > > > > That's exactly right, Peter, and it's the reason why Bi and others > > > have had difficulty coming up with a stan ex, IIRC > > > Rob Lowe uses his trailer wi lower the > > > mast to the bow past although > > > I the 8" > &g each end > > the turnbuckle and one for the chain plate. But I'v an 8" length > > > of chain used for the extensions. Th or "bale" > > > (?) about six feet up t the crane > > > instead of > > > > > Slim < > > > > > > > > Raven does not have > > > > > > > >> 8" extensions, but she does h triangulation device, > > >> basically tw of the mast > > > each si > >> Since the triangulation in on the pivot line, they do as the mast > > >> goes up. However, they do add extr remove them. > > >> Thanks. > > > > >> I still have the feeling I may be missing something is Fandango? > > >> > > >> PT > > &g > >> > > >> > > >> > > >& > >> From: "Slim" > > >> To: "Rhodes" > > &g > >> Subject: Re: [ > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >>> Peter, > > & > >>> The forward lowers should have the 8" ext then connected > > >>> > > >>> > >> to > > >> > > >> > > >> mast as it > >>> going up (or down) As the mast gets higher, the up take over > > >>> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > > >>> preve prevent the > > crane. > > >>> > > >>> I can see where your met crane) would > > >>> cer this > > > > >>> > > >> procedure > > >&g > >> > > >>> on the water, so any waves or ro mast to > > >>> > > >& > >> sway > > >> > > >> > > nt that. > > >>> > > >>> Hope this helps, > & > >>> Slim > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > >>> tried it > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> few > >> > > >> > > >>>> times, it ma a little > > >> > >>>> > > >> more > > >> > >> > > >>>> interesting. However I was su connecting > > >>>> > > > >> the > > >> > > >> > >>>> *aft* lowers to the mast crane. > > >&g > >>>> Raven doesn't seem to be set up that w forward lowers > > >>>> > > >> > >> have > > >> > > >> > &g ring-dings. So, > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > >> > > >> > > >>>> worked just > &g > >>>> > > >> fine - > > >> > > >>>> it's actually les speed the > > >>> bit too. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> When > >> > > >> > > >>>> checked the within specs, > > > mi > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> e > >> > > >> > > >>>> I know owners took > > > > >>>> > > >> such > > > > >> > > >>>> thought and care in setti still wonder > > >>>> > > >> if I'm > > >> > > & > >>>> missing something: why do the instruction connecting the > > >>>> > > >>>&g > >> *aft* > > >> > > >> > > > wha > >>>> > > >>>> > > > > >> > > >> > > >>>> D > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > > >>>> > > >> > >>>> _____________________________________ > >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Hel > >>>> > > >>>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.or > >>> > > >>> > > >> ______ > >> Use Rhodes22 > >> > > > > > > > ______________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes > > > > > > > > > > ____________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22. -- > > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up f [2]http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > >References > > 1. 3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& 2. 3D"http://mail01.mail.com/scripts/payment/adtracking.cgi?bannercode__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 15:45:24 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 11 14:45:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: <89.28bd44c9.2fdc7a55@aol.com> References: <89.28bd44c9.2fdc7a55@aol.com> Message-ID: <42AB3144.4000506@effros.com> Rummy, I've got just the boat for you -- a 50' all wood, gaff rigged, 1913 Americas cup racing boat that can still beat J-boats. For sale by a friend. Now in Groton, Ct. $250,000. Pictures available. Bring crew. 6 to sail. 5 to race. Bring a pail, too. Crew quarters are...Spartan. Bill Effros R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: >Anne, >Thanks for the reply. I often wish I had a bigger boat, but have questions >about ease of sailing, crew and all that associated crap. The R22 is something >I can slip into and sail whenever I get the urge. I don't need crew and the >IMF makes it a fast easy decision whether or not to go out. It's really a no >brainer. >I guess I'll keep here for the time being, or until I win the lottery. >Thanks again for the report. She's a beautiful hull. > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 15:47:31 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 11 14:47:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: <89.28bd44c9.2fdc7a55@aol.com> References: <89.28bd44c9.2fdc7a55@aol.com> Message-ID: <42AB31C3.9000307@effros.com> Anne, What's the word on Poly Glo? Bill Effros R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: >Anne, >Thanks for the reply. I often wish I had a bigger boat, but have questions >about ease of sailing, crew and all that associated crap. The R22 is something >I can slip into and sail whenever I get the urge. I don't need crew and the >IMF makes it a fast easy decision whether or not to go out. It's really a no >brainer. >I guess I'll keep here for the time being, or until I win the lottery. >Thanks again for the report. She's a beautiful hull. > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From sprocket80 at mail.com Sat Jun 11 15:37:32 2005 From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Sat Jun 11 15:37:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme Message-ID: <20050611193732.ACDC54BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Bill, Another aspect Stan has to consider is that many parts are custom made and he had them made in quantity so long ago that the original vendors are not around any longer. The 2 1/2" wide gudgeons....and I believe the traveller cars are a couple of examples. If Stan sells parts that he needs, it may prevent or delay him from finishing a recycled boat. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:38:05 -0400 > > Todd, > > I'd like to go back to the beginning and get every change we can > find. No, I don't have time for it now, but I think it would be a > lot of fun, and we could all learn something in the process. We > can discuss why the changes were made, and whether they were an > improvement from a user point of view. > > There are big improvements made on later boats that all earlier > owners would want if they knew to ask. Left to his own devices, > Stan would give everything away, so he has no incentive to market > these things except on new or recycled boats. We have to price his > innovations fairly so it pays for him to manufacture them in larger > quantities, lower his cost, and make some money at the same time. > > How much was that inner IMF bearing worth to me? $1000? My IMF > couldn't be reassembled without it. What were the assembly > instructions worth? $250? Stan, of course, sent it all for free a > few days after I asked. His attitude is that it shouldn't have > broken in the first place. Fine, but it took him time and effort, > and I would willingly have paid for it. If I had done so, it would > have been good for all of us, because then Stan would have more of > a reason to help every existing owner. > > The 8" aluminum extenders for the mast raising system can be added > to many existing systems. They are perfect for the purpose, light > in weight, and add safety to an inherently dangerous task. I > always keep them on board, right where I would know to look for > them the 363 days a year when I don't need them. > > The list could operate its own store if Stan doesn't have the time > for this. Stan could still make money on it, without any > additional hassle. Again--good for everyone. > > During the winter months I will follow up on this if I don't go to > the Keys, or someone else doesn't pick up on it first. > > Bill Effros > > Todd Tavares wrote: > > > Bill, > > How far back do you plan to go listing changes? Will any a > > every known change be covered? There were several major > > noticeable ch anges made between about 1974 and 1980 involving > > the c/b pivot and > > removal front cabin port stay atachment brackets ch > > cockpit floor round access hatch disco changed twice, and the > > rudderhead design changed move on to newer boats with the IMF > > and furler changes? :-) scratches the surface. Then there is > > the cabin and interior chan I have pics of most of this. Are > > you sure you have the time for this? > > Boats magaz #7?) for sale on E- > > [1]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebay > > motors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63730&item=4555320197 > > &rd=1 > > > > Todd > > [f2_1_b. ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Ef To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme > > Date: Sat, > > > > Slim, > > > > > > N > chan > how th > changes ov > than some > > > > The guy with the boat in CT mentioned > gooseneck of his > > non-IMF boom which > Spitzer furler better than the CDI > > > many times--the ones I have are just > lifting mechanism has > > changed. The gudgeon > rudder clutch, and think it's the best > > way > properly and you know how to use it. > > &g > The block on my boom was never rigged properly from the > > factory > and I've always had trouble with it--I'm going to > > figure it out > this year. Now that I've taken apart my IMF, > > and Stan told me how > to put it back together, it will work > > better than ever before. I'm > going to add Stan's mast cleat. > > > > > > I just took out > Chlorinated fres > smell department. < > etc. > > > > > > Bill Effros > > > > > > > > & > Slim wrote: > > > > > > >> Ah ha! There must be ma > >> > > > >> > > > > > That's exactly right, Peter, and it's the reason why Bi > > and others > > > > have had difficulty coming up with a stan ex, IIRC > > > > Rob Lowe uses his trailer wi lower the > > > > mast to the bow past although > > > > I the 8" > > &g each end > > the turnbuckle and one for the chain plate. > > But I'v an 8" length > > > > of chain used for the extensions. Th or "bale" > > > > (?) about six feet up t the crane > > > > instead of > > > > > > Slim < > > > > > > > > > > Raven does not have > > > > > > > > > >> 8" extensions, but she does h triangulation device, > > > >> basically tw of the mast > > > > each si > >> Since the triangulation in on the pivot > > line, they do as the mast > > > >> goes up. However, they do add extr remove them. > > > >> Thanks. > > > > > >> I still have the feeling I may be missing something > > is Fandango? > > > >> > > > >> PT > > > &g > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >& > >> From: "Slim" > > > >> To: "Rhodes" > > > &g > >> Subject: Re: [ > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >>> Peter, > > > & > >>> The forward lowers should have the 8" ext then connected > > > >>> > > > >>> > >> to > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> mast as it > >>> going up (or down) As the mast gets > > higher, the up take over > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> preve prevent the > > > crane. > > > >>> > > > >>> I can see where your met crane) would > > > >>> cer this > > > > > >>> > > > >> procedure > > > >&g > >> > > > >>> on the water, so any waves or ro mast to > > > >>> > > > >& > >> sway > > > >> > > > >> > > > nt that. > > > >>> > > > >>> Hope this helps, > > & > >>> Slim > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > >>> tried it > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >> few > >> > > > >> > > > >>>> times, it ma a little > > > >> > >>>> > > > >> more > > > >> > >> > > > >>>> interesting. However I was su connecting > > > >>>> > > > > >> the > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> *aft* lowers to the mast crane. > > > >&g > >>>> Raven doesn't seem to be set up that w forward lowers > > > >>>> > > > >> > >> have > > > >> > > > >> > > &g ring-dings. So, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>> worked just > > &g > >>>> > > > >> fine - > > > >> > > > >>>> it's actually les speed the > > > >>> bit too. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >> When > >> > > > >> > > > >>>> checked the within specs, > > > > mi > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >> e > >> > > > >> > > > >>>> I know owners took > > > > > >>>> > > > >> such > > > > > >> > > > >>>> thought and care in setti still wonder > > > >>>> > > > >> if I'm > > > >> > > > & > >>>> missing something: why do the instruction connecting the > > > >>>> > > > >>>&g > >> *aft* > > > >> > > > >> > > > > wha > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>> D > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > > > >>>> > > > >> > >>>> _____________________________________ > >>>> > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Hel > >>>> > > > >>>> > >>> > > __________________________________________________ > >>> Use > > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.or > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> ______ > >> Use Rhodes22 > >> > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________ > > Use > > Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22. -- > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Sign-up f [2]http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > References > > > > 1. 3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& > > 2. > > 3D"http://mail01.mail.com/scripts/payment/adtracking.cgi?bannercode__________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From salm at mn.rr.com Sat Jun 11 15:38:58 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Steve Alm) Date: Sat Jun 11 15:39:12 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Extension Clamps Message-ID: <7498ADD2-DAB0-11D9-9549-000A9569BC68@mn.rr.com> Bill, I think we're talking about the same thing. The clamps are visible in this photo on the vertical part of the stern rails, both port and starboard. -------------- next part -------------- Name: 102-0278_IMG.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 148351 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/11/102-0278_IMG.jpg -------------- next part -------------- 102-0278_IMG From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 16:46:10 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 11 15:46:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme In-Reply-To: <20050611193732.ACDC54BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050611193732.ACDC54BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <42AB3F82.2090302@effros.com> Ed knows a lot of this stuff. It seems to me now is the time to start dealing with it. Bill Effros Todd Tavares wrote: >Bill, > > > Another aspect Stan has to consider is that many parts are custom made and he had them made in quantity so long ago that the original vendors are not around any longer. The 2 1/2" wide gudgeons....and I believe the traveller cars are a couple of examples. > > If Stan sells parts that he needs, it may prevent or delay him from finishing a recycled boat. > >Todd > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Effros" >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme >Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:38:05 -0400 > > > >>Todd, >> >>I'd like to go back to the beginning and get every change we can >>find. No, I don't have time for it now, but I think it would be a >>lot of fun, and we could all learn something in the process. We >>can discuss why the changes were made, and whether they were an >>improvement from a user point of view. >> >>There are big improvements made on later boats that all earlier >>owners would want if they knew to ask. Left to his own devices, >>Stan would give everything away, so he has no incentive to market >>these things except on new or recycled boats. We have to price his >>innovations fairly so it pays for him to manufacture them in larger >>quantities, lower his cost, and make some money at the same time. >> >>How much was that inner IMF bearing worth to me? $1000? My IMF >>couldn't be reassembled without it. What were the assembly >>instructions worth? $250? Stan, of course, sent it all for free a >>few days after I asked. His attitude is that it shouldn't have >>broken in the first place. Fine, but it took him time and effort, >>and I would willingly have paid for it. If I had done so, it would >>have been good for all of us, because then Stan would have more of >>a reason to help every existing owner. >> >>The 8" aluminum extenders for the mast raising system can be added >>to many existing systems. They are perfect for the purpose, light >>in weight, and add safety to an inherently dangerous task. I >>always keep them on board, right where I would know to look for >>them the 363 days a year when I don't need them. >> >>The list could operate its own store if Stan doesn't have the time >>for this. Stan could still make money on it, without any >>additional hassle. Again--good for everyone. >> >>During the winter months I will follow up on this if I don't go to >>the Keys, or someone else doesn't pick up on it first. >> >>Bill Effros >> >>Todd Tavares wrote: >> >> >> >>> Bill, >>> How far back do you plan to go listing changes? Will any a >>>every known change be covered? There were several major >>>noticeable ch anges made between about 1974 and 1980 involving >>>the c/b pivot and >>> removal front cabin port stay atachment brackets ch >>>cockpit floor round access hatch disco changed twice, and the >>>rudderhead design changed move on to newer boats with the IMF >>>and furler changes? :-) scratches the surface. Then there is >>>the cabin and interior chan I have pics of most of this. Are >>>you sure you have the time for this? >>> Boats magaz #7?) for sale on E- >>> [1]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebay >>>motors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63730&item=4555320197 >>>&rd=1 >>> >>> Todd >>> [f2_1_b. ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bill Ef To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme >>> Date: Sat, > >>> > Slim, >>> > >>> > N > chan > how th > changes ov > than some > >>> > The guy with the boat in CT mentioned > gooseneck of his >>>non-IMF boom which > Spitzer furler better than the CDI > >>>many times--the ones I have are just > lifting mechanism has >>>changed. The gudgeon > rudder clutch, and think it's the best >>>way > properly and you know how to use it. >>> &g > The block on my boom was never rigged properly from the >>>factory > and I've always had trouble with it--I'm going to >>>figure it out > this year. Now that I've taken apart my IMF, >>>and Stan told me how > to put it back together, it will work >>>better than ever before. I'm > going to add Stan's mast cleat. >>> > >>> > I just took out > Chlorinated fres > smell department. < > etc. >>> > >>> > Bill Effros >>> > >>> > >>> & > Slim wrote: >>> > >>> > >> Ah ha! There must be ma > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > That's exactly right, Peter, and it's the reason why Bi >>> and others >>> > > have had difficulty coming up with a stan ex, IIRC >>> > > Rob Lowe uses his trailer wi lower the >>> > > mast to the bow past although >>> > > I the 8" >>> &g each end > > the turnbuckle and one for the chain plate. >>>But I'v an 8" length >>> > > of chain used for the extensions. Th or "bale" >>> > > (?) about six feet up t the crane >>> > > instead of > > >>> > > Slim < > > >>> > > >>> > > Raven does not have > > >>> > > >>> > >> 8" extensions, but she does h triangulation device, >>> > >> basically tw of the mast >>> > > each si > >> Since the triangulation in on the pivot >>>line, they do as the mast >>> > >> goes up. However, they do add extr remove them. >>> > >> Thanks. >>> > > > >> I still have the feeling I may be missing something >>> is Fandango? >>> > >> >>> > >> PT >>> > &g > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >& > >> From: "Slim" >>> > >> To: "Rhodes" >>> > &g > >> Subject: Re: [ > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>> Peter, >>> > & > >>> The forward lowers should have the 8" ext then connected >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > >> to >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> mast as it > >>> going up (or down) As the mast gets >>>higher, the up take over >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>> preve prevent the >>> > crane. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I can see where your met crane) would >>> > >>> cer this >>> > > > >>> >>> > >> procedure >>> > >&g > >> >>> > >>> on the water, so any waves or ro mast to >>> > >>> >>> > >& > >> sway >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > nt that. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Hope this helps, >>> & > >>> Slim >>> > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > > > >>>> >>> > >>> tried it > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >> few > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>>> times, it ma a little >>> > >> > >>>> >>> > >> more >>> > >> > >> >>> > >>>> interesting. However I was su connecting >>> > >>>> >>> > > >> the >>> > >> >>> > >> > >>>> *aft* lowers to the mast crane. >>> > >&g > >>>> Raven doesn't seem to be set up that w forward lowers >>> > >>>> >>> > >> > >> have >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> &g ring-dings. So, >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>>> worked just >>> &g > >>>> >>> > >> fine - >>> > >> >>> > >>>> it's actually les speed the >>> > >>> bit too. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >> When > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>>> checked the within specs, >>> > > mi > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >> e > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>>> I know owners took >>> > > > >>>> >>> > >> such >>> > > > >> >>> > >>>> thought and care in setti still wonder >>> > >>>> >>> > >> if I'm >>> > >> >>> > & > >>>> missing something: why do the instruction connecting the >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>&g > >> *aft* >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > wha > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>>> D > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, >>> > >>>> >>> > >> > >>>> _____________________________________ > >>>> >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Hel > >>>> >>> > >>>> > >>> >>>__________________________________________________ > >>> Use >>>Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.or > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >> ______ > >> Use Rhodes22 > >> >>> > > > >>> > > ______________________________________ > > Use >>>Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ____________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22. -- >>>___________________________________________________________ >>> Sign-up f [2]http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >>> >>>References >>> >>> 1. 3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& >>> 2. >>>3D"http://mail01.mail.com/scripts/payment/adtracking.cgi?bannercode__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > > > > From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 11 17:26:22 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 11 16:26:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Extension Clamps In-Reply-To: <7498ADD2-DAB0-11D9-9549-000A9569BC68@mn.rr.com> References: <7498ADD2-DAB0-11D9-9549-000A9569BC68@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <42AB48EE.8050809@effros.com> Perfect example. I looked at another picture on my computer of your stern rail, and it is nothing like mine. I have vertical supporting arms in the stern on which I have attached the same clamps. The angle puts little pressure on any of the components, and they attach quickly and hold firmly. Bill Effros Steve Alm wrote: > Bill, > > I think we're talking about the same thing. The clamps are visible in > this photo on the vertical part of the stern rails, both port and > starboard. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Name: 102-0278_IMG.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 148351 bytes Desc: not available >Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/11/102-0278_IMG.jpg > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > 102-0278_IMG > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From ekroposki at charter.net Sat Jun 11 17:48:58 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Sat Jun 11 16:49:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints SC reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c56ec6$fdb8e4e0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Wally, Columbia and south use the mustard base. This area uses a spicy tomato base, not vinegar. I have told Bill to try the Little Pigs in Anderson, or that Saturday only place on Hwy 187 between Rummy and Big Water is ok. In Greenville, Henry's uses his own spicy tomato base. Ed K -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:40 AM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints SC reply Seems everyone loves BBQ. I really prefer NC style over SC. Most of the places including Maurice's use a mustard base sauce. I prefer the Western NC style sauce but it is all good. Wally >From: "ed kroposki" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints SC reply >Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:39:51 -0400 > >Bill: > Rummy has the market cornered, that is on the corner, in Anderson, >SC. He has the original 'Three Pigs'. Hwy 76 from I-85, the Mall, and >restaurant row toward downtown. > Pay Rummy a visit and have him take you there. Closed Sundays and >Mondays. Third generation running the place. I challenge you to eat a >whole dinner plate. That can only be done by Clemson football linemen. > Good stuff. > There used to be a directory of BBQ places in the south. I was >amazed when I looked thru it and had been to some four star places. So, I >can compare this with the best. > Maurice's in Columbia is still good. That is the original place >south of the city. Piggy Park. > Bessinger's in Charleston is passable. > >Ed K >Greenville, SC, USA >Not aware of any really good places in Greenville. Henry's is acceptable. > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 19:38:48 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sat Jun 11 18:38:53 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: <89.28bd44c9.2fdc7a55@aol.com> Message-ID: Anne - The 33.5 looks nice. We have seem quite a few on this list purchase larger boats in the last year or so. Right now the R22 seems to be fitting my needs. Knoxville Bill's trip report has got me motivated to order parts for my trailer. I will tow my boat to the Ocean in 2006! Wally >From: R22RumRunner@aol.com >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake >Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:33:09 EDT > >Anne, >Thanks for the reply. I often wish I had a bigger boat, but have questions >about ease of sailing, crew and all that associated crap. The R22 is >something >I can slip into and sail whenever I get the urge. I don't need crew and >the >IMF makes it a fast easy decision whether or not to go out. It's really a >no >brainer. >I guess I'll keep here for the time being, or until I win the lottery. >Thanks again for the report. She's a beautiful hull. > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Sun Jun 12 01:15:49 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 12 00:16:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wooden boat Message-ID: <1df.3dbfee4a.2fdd10f5@aol.com> Bill, For $250,000 at least they could throw in a pail. Rummy From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Sun Jun 12 02:05:19 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Sun Jun 12 00:56:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme References: <20050611170551.09C6B6EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <42AB2F8D.1070305@effros.com> Message-ID: <009501c56f0c$61260720$f9639c04@raysdesktop> On the issue of changes made over time... I noticed that the room allocated for a head on a 1976 Rhodes continental appears to be far smaller than the Swell Head currently featured in new boats. I assume that the galley must be a bit longer as well. Soo, the bulkhead must be a bit further fore on the earlier boats than on the later ones. Also from pics I have seen the fore and aft bulkhead that separates the head compartment from the main cabin seems to not be full height on the 76. I assume to accomodate a bigger head compartment in the newer boats the cabin bulkhead was moved aft. I am curious as to whether any rigging changes had to be done to accomplish this, or any other structural changes to accomodate bulkhead movment. Or maybe my perception is wrong and the bulkhead was not moved... Any clarification available? What year was the enlarged head compartment debuted in? From salm at mn.rr.com Sun Jun 12 02:55:53 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sun Jun 12 02:55:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Tamer In-Reply-To: <45.2a06a507.2fdc59d5@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Rummy, but I don't need them. I just don't think they're a good design. I've seen other systems that are better and after using the tiller tamer for several years, I'm convinced that I need to try something else. Thanks anyway, Slim On 6/11/05 10:14 AM, "R22RumRunner@aol.com" wrote: > Slim, > I've got two tiller tamers I'll send you (yes, free) if you want spare > parts. I found it to be unworkable on my boat. > > Rummy > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Sun Jun 12 09:14:31 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sun Jun 12 08:14:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme In-Reply-To: <009501c56f0c$61260720$f9639c04@raysdesktop> References: <20050611170551.09C6B6EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <42AB2F8D.1070305@effros.com> <009501c56f0c$61260720$f9639c04@raysdesktop> Message-ID: <42AC2727.2090301@effros.com> James, You are quite right about your observations, and I have saved some information about this as it has appeared from time to time. Stan has weighed in to report that moving the bulkhead that supports the mast has not weakened the boat. It has, however, slightly changed the balance of the boat, and I believe the location of the mast was slightly changed. Roger knew a lot about this, and frequently contributed to this topic. Downloading the archives and indexing them using Google Desktop is probably a good idea for this project. Thanks for the input--keep it coming. I'll start seriously tracking this stuff down after the sailing season is over. Bill Effros James Wilson wrote: >On the issue of changes made over time... > >I noticed that the room allocated for a head on a 1976 Rhodes continental >appears to be far smaller than the Swell Head currently featured in new >boats. > >I assume that the galley must be a bit longer as well. > >Soo, the bulkhead must be a bit further fore on the earlier boats than on >the later ones. Also from pics I have seen the fore and aft bulkhead that >separates the head compartment from the main cabin seems to not be full >height on the 76. > >I assume to accomodate a bigger head compartment in the newer boats the >cabin bulkhead was moved aft. I am curious as to whether any rigging >changes had to be done to accomplish this, or any other structural changes >to accomodate bulkhead movment. > >Or maybe my perception is wrong and the bulkhead was not moved... > >Any clarification available? > >What year was the enlarged head compartment debuted in? > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From ekroposki at charter.net Sun Jun 12 09:15:29 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Sun Jun 12 08:15:50 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sail trim and traveler adjustments In-Reply-To: <42a9c0f6.2519cd9c.26c0.ffffae7a@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c56f48$6fda8ed0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Question by the non technical sailor about using the traveler on the Rhodes 22 for maintaining sail shape. Wally has been the only one who has specially mentioned using the traveler in sailing. So, Wally, and any others who have the IMF in particular, some questions. Sailing in light upwind conditions, which way do you move the traveler to maintain sail shape. In a heavy wind do you move it the same direction? Now for reaching, do you move it the same direction under the same conditions? For the technical guys, how does the traveler maintain the best sail shape? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Just a Sunday afternoon driver.... From joscook at msn.com Sun Jun 12 10:55:48 2005 From: joscook at msn.com (J Cook) Date: Sun Jun 12 09:55:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c56d57$5c196e40$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem><42A9C67C.1070903@effros.com> <001501c56e88$b4efcff0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of maintenance and storage. She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on some of the newer boats. I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and solidly constructed. She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably sleep another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several months at a time. I would be just fine with keeping my R22. Any suggestions on compromise here? Joseph From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sun Jun 12 11:18:03 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sun Jun 12 10:18:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for the next few years at least. Wally >From: "J Cook" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 > >I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too >excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of >maintenance and storage. > >She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on some of >the newer boats. > >I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and >solidly constructed. > >She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably sleep >another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several months at a >time. > >I would be just fine with keeping my R22. > >Any suggestions on compromise here? > > > >Joseph >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From pthorn at nc.rr.com Sun Jun 12 11:30:53 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Sun Jun 12 10:29:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sail trim and traveler adjustments References: <000001c56f48$6fda8ed0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <001e01c56f5b$56808ee0$660fa8c0@dell330> Ed, The traveler and the mainsheet are tools used to control mainsail leech tension and twist. Increased mainsheet tension will tighten and close the leech and reduce mainsail twist. This is good for pointing in moderate air (8-12), but in light air (under 8) you can power up the main by letting the mainsheet out to open up the leech. Without any vang pressure (no problem on a R22) this will cause the top of the sail to twist off to leeward and the boom will also move away from centerline. If you let too much out the sail will luff -- if you don't bring the traveller to windward. Now with the travellor to windward you have an open leech with plenty of twist without luffing the sail. You might also want to let the outhaul out a little to increase the draft. You are now set up for light air. Set up like this for light air you won't point as well, but in in light air that's not the point . In light air it's better to "foot" off and keep moving. Now in heavy air, it's the opposite. A flat depowered mailsail is better. (Oops - I forgot about the IMF. Let's pretend we all have standard mains with no reef points, so I can complete this thought). Pull the outhaul all the way tight to reduce draft. Pull the mainsheet tight to close the leech. Now you must let the traveller go to leeward to maintain the tight leech when going to windward, to spill air. That's it. Now go try it! PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:15 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sail trim and traveler adjustments > > > > > Question by the non technical sailor about using the traveler on the > Rhodes 22 for maintaining sail shape. > > Wally has been the only one who has specially mentioned using the > traveler in sailing. So, Wally, and any others who have the IMF in > particular, some questions. > > Sailing in light upwind conditions, which way do you move the traveler > to maintain sail shape. In a heavy wind do you move it the same direction? > > Now for reaching, do you move it the same direction under the same > conditions? > > For the technical guys, how does the traveler maintain the best sail > shape? > > > > Ed K > > Greenville, SC, USA > > Just a Sunday afternoon driver.... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From flybrad at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 08:32:30 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sun Jun 12 10:32:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050612143230.13934.qmail@web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joseph, A bigger boat is a mixed bag. I "upgraded" to an S2 30 footer with my wife's urging because of the same issues your wife is raising. As a floating condo, yeah, its a vast improvement. As a pleasurable day-sail vessel, it is not as easy to single-hand, needs more wind, costs more to buy and operate, and requires more maintenance time. Chris Rook, the only sailboat dealer in my area, jokes that he makes his money selling the boats customers think they need, not the one they really need. If you plan to spend a lot of nights on your boat, cruise, or consistantly entertain large numbers of guests, bigger is better. For most people, myself included, the R-22 fills most of the squares. For the difference in purchase price and upkeep you can charter a bigger boat annually in some pretty nice places. We have a crude expression in my profession that sums it up nicely. "If it flys, floats, or f*&ks, lease it! Brad --- J Cook wrote: > I know some of the list members have larger boats. > My wife has us seriously hunting for one, but so > far, I haven't been able to get too excited. I'm > pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease > of maintenance and storage. > > She likes the stern swim platforms and all the > creature comforts on some of the newer boats. > > I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard > or shoal keel, and solidly constructed. > > She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that > could comfortably sleep another couple for a weekend > and go to the islands for several months at a time. > > > I would be just fine with keeping my R22. > > Any suggestions on compromise here? > > > > Joseph > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sun Jun 12 11:36:49 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sun Jun 12 10:36:53 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sail trim and traveler adjustments In-Reply-To: <000001c56f48$6fda8ed0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Ed, There is no way I can explain all of the physics behind sail shape so I will not even try. That was Roger's job. I do know what seems to work on my boat. In light sailing into the wind I like to make sure the IMF outhaul adjustment is a little slack. I will have the traveler moved to windward pulling the boom in. In heavy gusty wind I like to have outhaul as tight as possible. I trim the main then cleat. I hold the traveler line and trim or release as needed. Moving traveler to leeward side allows the main to spill air. In heavy winds with no gusts I iwll trim main with traveler pulling boom towards leeward side adjusting as needed. As for reaching I have tried just about everything and I am still not sure what works best. It does seem that moving traveler to leeward side when reaching provides better performance in heavy wind. Most of us don't use boom vang and off the wind the boom on the R22 tends to lift. It seems like the boom lifts less when traveler is moved towards leeward side. In light wind reaching I usually have traveler centered. Wally >From: "ed kroposki" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sail trim and traveler adjustments >Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 08:15:29 -0400 > > > > > > Question by the non technical sailor about using the traveler on the >Rhodes 22 for maintaining sail shape. > > Wally has been the only one who has specially mentioned using the >traveler in sailing. So, Wally, and any others who have the IMF in >particular, some questions. > > Sailing in light upwind conditions, which way do you move the traveler >to maintain sail shape. In a heavy wind do you move it the same direction? > > Now for reaching, do you move it the same direction under the same >conditions? > > For the technical guys, how does the traveler maintain the best sail >shape? > > > >Ed K > >Greenville, SC, USA > >Just a Sunday afternoon driver.... > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From stan at rhodes22.com Sun Jun 12 11:43:09 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Sun Jun 12 10:43:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats References: Message-ID: <015401c56f5d$120905b0$c2d507d0@yourze8cxvr8tt> we rearrange marriages - have had one success so far - if you want to go for two I have leads for the professor. which reminds me of the line from a Gallagher and Sheen number: "So I pulled her on the shore; now she's mine for ever more" "Who, the lady Mr. Gallagher?" "No, the rowboat Mr. Sheen." stan/ec ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats > Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for the next > few years at least. > > Wally > >>From: "J Cook" >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 >> >>I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >>seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too >>excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of >>maintenance and storage. >> >>She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on some >>of the newer boats. >> >>I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and >>solidly constructed. >> >>She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably sleep >>another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several months at a >>time. >> >>I would be just fine with keeping my R22. >> >>Any suggestions on compromise here? >> >> >> >>Joseph >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 12 11:44:25 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Sun Jun 12 10:44:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats References: Message-ID: <001f01c56f5d$3afeb5a0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Wally's suggestion has a lot of merit. We moved to a larger boat, a Tartan 37 keel/center boarder. While we truly love her, the simplicity of the R22 is missed. We "bareboated" in the Caribbean for ten years and did fall in love with the feel of the bigger boat with the ability to sail, swim, and snorkel ourselves to the point of exhaustion. However, US waters do not provide as friendly an atmosphere. The Keys are great when the weather cooperates; however, the Keys are a three day sail from our home port while the Caribbean is a two to three hour flight. We still have not made the Bahamas as last year's hurricanes necessitated repair work. We re-commissioned in late April but the weather has not been very favorable in our neck of the woods recently - three weeks of rainy thunderstorms. We did get a great sail from the St. Lucie inlet down to the Lake Worth Inlet for an overnighter three weeks ago. We then came back up and spent the night on Peck's Lake, a little cut in the intercoastal. It was fun as we sailed in the company of two other boats: a sister ship and an IP28. For simple day sailing though, the R22 is tops. Our plan is to move back to the R22 when we feel the T37 becomes too hard to handle. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats > Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for the next > few years at least. > > Wally > >>From: "J Cook" >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 >> >>I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >>seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too >>excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of >>maintenance and storage. >> >>She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on some >>of the newer boats. >> >>I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and >>solidly constructed. >> >>She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably sleep >>another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several months at a >>time. >> >>I would be just fine with keeping my R22. >> >>Any suggestions on compromise here? >> >> >> >>Joseph >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From ekroposki at charter.net Sun Jun 12 12:48:28 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Sun Jun 12 11:48:35 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001701c56f66$2d646a30$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Or at least try out a few: http://www.windsofireland.net/bareboat.htm These guys are on Lake Champlain. They seem very presentable. The boats looks delicious. The weather is quite variable. http://www.carolinawind.com/htm/charter/charterrate.htm These guys are on the river, but you can sail toward the sound. In the summer the bugs are famous by the dock. I have seen both establishments. I have not chartered. Just perused the situation. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for the next few years at least. Wally >From: "J Cook" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 > >I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too >excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of >maintenance and storage. > >She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on some of >the newer boats. > >I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and >solidly constructed. > >She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably sleep >another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several months at a >time. > >I would be just fine with keeping my R22. > >Any suggestions on compromise here? > > > >Joseph >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From anima13 at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 12 13:56:58 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Sun Jun 12 13:59:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake In-Reply-To: <42AB31C3.9000307@effros.com> Message-ID: Bill, this guy who owned my present boat did the deck and cockpit because he is large and relatively immobile because of it. He did not keep it up, which I have learned is the key to polyglo. He did not tell me there was polyglo on the topside. Thus two years after his application, the boat had these blackened drips all over. I had tons of projects to do and one day was just scrubbing at a spot and could NOT remove it with colonite cleaner or 3M. When it came time to clean an area where we were replacing teak, it dawned on us to use the polyglo remover and wallah! it came clean. My racing pal and I are a wonderful team when it comes to making old boat look fantastic and we are religious buffers and compounders. Man, though, it was SO hard to get that blackened stuff off. I did use polyglo on the hull, for I knew I could not buff that huge hull twice a year by myself. I have put another layer of polyglo on already (I borrow a neighbor's hard dinghy) and it looks quite presentable, though I suspect i will pull the boat and take it all off this winter, then suffer and do it the old fashioned compound-buffer way. Boat projects keep me going in the winter! Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Bill Effros Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 1:48 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas KY Lake Anne, What's the word on Poly Glo? Bill Effros R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: >Anne, >Thanks for the reply. I often wish I had a bigger boat, but have questions >about ease of sailing, crew and all that associated crap. The R22 is something >I can slip into and sail whenever I get the urge. I don't need crew and the >IMF makes it a fast easy decision whether or not to go out. It's really a no >brainer. >I guess I'll keep here for the time being, or until I win the lottery. >Thanks again for the report. She's a beautiful hull. > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Sun Jun 12 15:20:25 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Sun Jun 12 14:13:44 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sail trim and traveler adjustments References: <000001c56f48$6fda8ed0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <00bf01c56f7b$9a1a42c0$f9639c04@raysdesktop> Not meaning to lecture the sailors who already know this, but in every group I find there are some who have not learned about apparent wind and the need for twist in the sail. Offered in the interest of sharing for those who might not know. Hope I don't step on the toes of those who do. The easiest way to understand how to optimize sail shape with a traveler and when is with telltales on the sail. Three sets of telltales about 1 1/2 foot aft of the mast evenly spaced up the sail, one on either side of the sail is about right. Alternatively some people prefer three single telltales evenly spaced on the trailing edge of the sail. The goal of using either a vang, or a traveler or a sprit boom along with the topping lift in lighter airs to shape the mainsail is to allow the proper amount of twist in the sail so airflow is attached to both windward and leeward sides of the sail for current conditions to not have any stalled airflow areas. Or to put it simply, make sure ALL TELLTALES STREAM AFT! Why is twist important to accomplish this the novice sailor may ask? Because the speed of the wind at masthead is usually faster than at cockpit level. Why? Because, the closer you get to the water the more the layers of air slow down due to frictional losses with the surface of the water. The molecules of air closer to the water move and hence present less frictional losses to the air layers directly above and so forth up the air column. Why is this important if the air is still all going in the same direction? Why don't you just trim for angle of attack and keep the same angle of attack all the way up the sail? Because your boat is moving forward and is creating some "Wind of it's own" The combuination of boat speed wind and the true wind creates an apparent wind that moves aft as you go up the wind column as the true winds strength plays a proportionallyu greater part as it is faster as you go up? So, you need the angle of attack of the sail closer to the midline of the boat down near the cockpit and further out as you go up the mast. Adjusting the twist of the mainsail so all telltales streeam aft gives you the most efficiency. Now, really off the wind, a Boom Vang works best for this, but when using a traveler, the most advantageous position for a traveler is closet to the mast in order to have the largest range of motion where the traveler can do it's work. Boat design however is a series of compromises so in the case of the Rhodes, with the traveler aft, you sacrifice some in terms of range of motion where the traveler can work, but it is the best compromise for the boat. Now, how do you use the traveler to induce more twist? The closer the traveler car is to the sail, the less twist will be in the sail. Moving the car all the way to the windward edge will induce the most twist. Also, in lighter airs where ther is not enough air pressure to cause the boom to raie up with the traveler car to windward, you can use the topping lift to raise the boom and induce more twist. As a general rule, the lighter the airs, the more twist you need as the greater effect boat speed has on the equation. Hopwever allways trust the telltales and make them stream aft. When properly trimmed for close hauled sailing, or even further off the wind, iif a gust of wind hits, the apparent wind will always shift aft to be more from the beam. If tightly pinched to weather this gives you an opportunity to pinch even closer to the wind to make your velocity made good better, If on the other hand you want to maintain course, then easing the travelor to the leeward rail will give you a better angle of attack and gain some boat speed and then hauling the traveler back to windward as the puff eases. This is more desireable than easing the mainsheet as it maintains the proper amount of twist in the sail for the prevailing conditions and alters the angle of attack for the entire sail at the same time. From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Sun Jun 12 13:33:22 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Sun Jun 12 14:13:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme References: <20050611170551.09C6B6EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <42AB2F8D.1070305@effros.com><009501c56f0c$61260720$f9639c04@raysdesktop> <42AC2727.2090301@effros.com> Message-ID: <00be01c56f7b$98876dc0$f9639c04@raysdesktop> > James, > > You are quite right about your observations, and I have saved some > information about this as it has appeared from time to time. Stan has > weighed in to report that moving the bulkhead that supports the mast has > not weakened the boat. It has, however, slightly changed the balance of > the boat, and I believe the location of the mast was slightly changed. Well I can understand changing the mast position to accomodate the new bulkhead position as well as possibly the chainplate locations as well. I can certainly understand how this might affect sail balance. Anyone know what year the bulkhead was moved aft? Any info on how much aft it was moved? > From anima13 at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 12 14:17:31 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Sun Jun 12 14:19:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats In-Reply-To: <001f01c56f5d$3afeb5a0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: Fellow R-22ers, I am very blessed to live on a very large body of water that has multiple coves with no housing and prolonged sailing distances, so the larger boat is very comfortable, even alone. I can't tell you the number of folks who come up from Florida and end up staying here with their sailboats. However, the R-22 was a perfect boat here as well, and I see myself owning one again! Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Robert Quinn Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:44 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats Wally's suggestion has a lot of merit. We moved to a larger boat, a Tartan 37 keel/center boarder. While we truly love her, the simplicity of the R22 is missed. We "bareboated" in the Caribbean for ten years and did fall in love with the feel of the bigger boat with the ability to sail, swim, and snorkel ourselves to the point of exhaustion. However, US waters do not provide as friendly an atmosphere. The Keys are great when the weather cooperates; however, the Keys are a three day sail from our home port while the Caribbean is a two to three hour flight. We still have not made the Bahamas as last year's hurricanes necessitated repair work. We re-commissioned in late April but the weather has not been very favorable in our neck of the woods recently - three weeks of rainy thunderstorms. We did get a great sail from the St. Lucie inlet down to the Lake Worth Inlet for an overnighter three weeks ago. We then came back up and spent the night on Peck's Lake, a little cut in the intercoastal. It was fun as we sailed in the company of two other boats: a sister ship and an IP28. For simple day sailing though, the R22 is tops. Our plan is to move back to the R22 when we feel the T37 becomes too hard to handle. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" To: Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats > Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for the next > few years at least. > > Wally > >>From: "J Cook" >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 >> >>I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >>seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too >>excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of >>maintenance and storage. >> >>She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on some >>of the newer boats. >> >>I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and >>solidly constructed. >> >>She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably sleep >>another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several months at a >>time. >> >>I would be just fine with keeping my R22. >> >>Any suggestions on compromise here? >> >> >> >>Joseph >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Sun Jun 12 15:10:38 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sun Jun 12 15:10:46 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sail trim and traveler adjustments In-Reply-To: <00bf01c56f7b$9a1a42c0$f9639c04@raysdesktop> Message-ID: James, thank you. Great explanation. Slim On 6/12/05 1:20 PM, "James Wilson" wrote: > Not meaning to lecture the sailors who already know this, but in every > group I find there are some who have not learned about apparent wind and the > need for twist in the sail. > > Offered in the interest of sharing for those who might not know. Hope I > don't step on the toes of those who do. > > The easiest way to understand how to optimize sail shape with a traveler and > when is with telltales on the sail. > > Three sets of telltales about 1 1/2 foot aft of the mast evenly spaced up > the sail, one on either side of the sail is about right. Alternatively > some people prefer three single telltales evenly spaced on the trailing edge > of the sail. > > The goal of using either a vang, or a traveler or a sprit boom along with > the topping lift in lighter airs to shape the mainsail is to allow the > proper amount of twist in the sail so airflow is attached to both windward > and leeward sides of the sail for current conditions to not have any stalled > airflow areas. Or to put it simply, make sure ALL TELLTALES STREAM AFT! > > Why is twist important to accomplish this the novice sailor may ask? > Because the speed of the wind at masthead is usually faster than at cockpit > level. > > Why? Because, the closer you get to the water the more the layers of air > slow down due to frictional losses with the surface of the water. The > molecules of air closer to the water move and hence present less frictional > losses to the air layers directly above and so forth up the air column. > > Why is this important if the air is still all going in the same direction? > Why don't you just trim for angle of attack and keep the same angle of > attack all the way up the sail? Because your boat is moving forward and is > creating some "Wind of it's own" The combuination of boat speed wind and > the true wind creates an apparent wind that moves aft as you go up the wind > column as the true winds strength plays a proportionallyu greater part as it > is faster as you go up? > > So, you need the angle of attack of the sail closer to the midline of the > boat down near the cockpit and further out as you go up the mast. > > Adjusting the twist of the mainsail so all telltales streeam aft gives you > the most efficiency. > > Now, really off the wind, a Boom Vang works best for this, but when using > a traveler, the most advantageous position for a traveler is closet to the > mast in order to have the largest range of motion where the traveler can do > it's work. Boat design however is a series of compromises so in the case of > the Rhodes, with the traveler aft, you sacrifice some in terms of range of > motion where the traveler can work, but it is the best compromise for the > boat. > > Now, how do you use the traveler to induce more twist? The closer the > traveler car is to the sail, the less twist will be in the sail. > > Moving the car all the way to the windward edge will induce the most twist. > Also, in lighter airs where ther is not enough air pressure to cause the > boom to raie up with the traveler car to windward, you can use the topping > lift to raise the boom and induce more twist. > > As a general rule, the lighter the airs, the more twist you need as the > greater effect boat speed has on the equation. Hopwever allways trust the > telltales and make them stream aft. > > When properly trimmed for close hauled sailing, or even further off the > wind, iif a gust of wind hits, the apparent wind will always shift aft to > be more from the beam. If tightly pinched to weather this gives you an > opportunity to pinch even closer to the wind to make your velocity made good > better, > > If on the other hand you want to maintain course, then easing the travelor > to the leeward rail will give you a better angle of attack and gain some > boat speed and then hauling the traveler back to windward as the puff eases. > This is more desireable than easing the mainsheet as it maintains the proper > amount of twist in the sail for the prevailing conditions and alters the > angle of attack for the entire sail at the same time. > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jwtyler at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 18:20:45 2005 From: jwtyler at gmail.com (Jason Tyler) Date: Sun Jun 12 17:20:50 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does this look like a Rhodes to anyone here? Message-ID: <69cfc57805061214207ed6c93c@mail.gmail.com> Hey can you seasoned sailors tell me if you think this is a rhodes? And if so how hard is it to get a title on a non titled boat? I would drive out to Cal. and back for a 1k rhodes. From ekroposki at charter.net Sun Jun 12 18:50:18 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Sun Jun 12 17:50:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question for James Wilson on sail trim In-Reply-To: <00bf01c56f7b$9a1a42c0$f9639c04@raysdesktop> Message-ID: <000101c56f98$bcbf1a40$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> James: I enjoyed your detailed reply on sail trim. However, it begs the question, Do you have a Rhodes 22 with the IMF sail? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA From bill at effros.com Sun Jun 12 21:00:05 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sun Jun 12 20:00:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats In-Reply-To: References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c56d57$5c196e40$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem><42A9C67C.1070903@effros.com> <001501c56e88$b4efcff0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <42ACCC85.3030208@effros.com> Top 10 Reasons Wives Don't Like the Sailboats They Pick 10. Winnebagos on the water are no more fun to sail than Winnebagos on land are fun to drive. 9. Being yelled at for taking long showers. 8. Don't want to be the cook/maid/babysitter. 7. Want to be the Captain. 6. Hate to entertain "those idiots". 5. Boring, Boring, Boring. 4. Too Cold/Too Hot/Too Windy/Too Humid/Too Many Bugs 3. Tippy/scary. 2. Tired of Sailing/Want to do Something Else. 1. The worst room in a Motel 6 is more comfortable than the best room in any boat you can afford. Bill Effros J Cook wrote: >I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of maintenance and storage. > >She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on some of the newer boats. > >I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and solidly constructed. > >She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably sleep another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several months at a time. > >I would be just fine with keeping my R22. > >Any suggestions on compromise here? > > > >Joseph >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From hparsons at parsonsys.com Sun Jun 12 20:24:00 2005 From: hparsons at parsonsys.com (Herb Parsons) Date: Sun Jun 12 20:17:41 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats Message-ID: No matter whether you keep the Rhodes or not, if you get a boat like you're describing, you're going to need a wet slip. Maybe two boats and a trailer are in order... Herb Parsons S/V O'Jure 1976 O'Day 25 Lake Grapevine, N TX S/V Reve de Papa 1971 Coronado 35 Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast >>> joscook@msn.com 6/12/2005 8:55 AM >>> I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of maintenance and storage. She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on some of the newer boats. I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and solidly constructed. She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably sleep another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several months at a time. I would be just fine with keeping my R22. Any suggestions on compromise here? Joseph __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Sun Jun 12 22:17:02 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Sun Jun 12 21:09:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question for James Wilson on sail trim References: <000101c56f98$bcbf1a40$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <000901c56fb5$a1e302a0$28639c04@raysdesktop> > James: > > I enjoyed your detailed reply on sail trim. However, it begs the question, > Do you have a Rhodes 22 with the IMF sail? Not yet. I am in the process of selling my Cal 28 with a traveler and no vang, and then downsizing to something trailerable. Rhodes 22 is high on my list of possible replacements. I also have a West Wight Potter 19 with a vang and no traveler, and a home built Gaff rigged sloop trailerable I built myself with a vang and a peak halyard yet no traveler and have sailed several other boats and rigs to include sprit sails, Cat Ketch rigs with sprit booms, and Daysailor racers with no ballast, and travelers and vangs. Clearly the theory is transferrable to most rigs. However, on an innermast furler, telltale pairs a foot back from the luff would be of limited usefullness when furled. In this case, 3 individual telltales on the leach evenly spaced up the sail would likely prove most efficaceous. In this instance again you would hope to have the telltales streaming straight back from the sail and not veering either to windward or leeward. > > From dbarrera at comcast.net Sun Jun 12 21:18:02 2005 From: dbarrera at comcast.net (dbarrera) Date: Sun Jun 12 21:18:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chicago References: <000101c56dd5$34d8c410$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> <001201c56df1$a3650620$11b7e183@liptonlaptop2> Message-ID: <00e601c56fb5$c59bc150$100aad43@hewlett63wy6j1> Ron, Dorene and I saw your boat last night shifting in the wind over at Monroe Harbor whle heading toward the blues festival on our bikes from Burnham. We got there later than intended and saw Buddy Guy only sporadically through a throng of bodies. 15 minutes waiting for a Billy Goat Tavern double cheeesburger, cheesburger, chips...no fries. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Lipton" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > Ed, > > I guess he removed himself in any case... I am a Chicagoan, Cubs and > Bears fan. I know nothing of Georga Bay. Blues > festival this weekend - about 200 yards from my mooring. > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ed kroposki" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:58 AM > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > > >> Ron, >> That being true, there is the problem of newbie's, lurkers, those >> who are not computer savvy, and just to total volume of trash generated. >> He was using language inappropriate for a sailing forum and worse he >> was making outright personal attacks. >> Politics is one thing but he was way beyond that. >> We are waiting for your report on sailing your boat to Georgia Bay. >> >> Ed K >> Greenville, SC, USA >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Lipton >> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:51 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe >> >> I would like to remind folks that all e-mail clients have a >> spam blocker that allows you to turn off specific addresses. >> I have not received any of Steve's posts for a year. >> >> Ron >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ed kroposki" >> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:15 AM >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe >> >> >>> Steve, >>> Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and unnecessary. I >>> appreciate that you think you are a long timer with special status, but >> you >>> are abusing the list. >>> >>> Ed K >>> Greenville, SC, USA >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve >>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day >>> >>> Robert >>> Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly >>> Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. >>> >>> Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I >>> said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on >>> this list; your unwillingness to even try and >>> understand how the world work only show your lack of >>> brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help >>> themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go >>> to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. >>> Liberal central for you liberals & what is this >>> country doing; we are going after them. It is always >>> better to fight a war on some other Country soil as >>> compared to fighting it on this country soil. >>> >>> You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you >>> caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to >>> be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you >>> protested that war. This country had the capitality >>> to free those people & because of people like you; a >>> lot of vietamise people continue to have to live >>> without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some >>> elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT >>> JUST YOU. >>> >>> As for liberals like you who think the one thing that >>> government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE >>> checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits >>> on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a >>> worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not >>> a productive citizen, they are not helping this >>> country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be >>> proud of. >>> >>> Anybody that support allowing people to remain on >>> Welfare without a direct course of action to get off >>> Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you >>> are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy >>> life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass >>> and go to work and earn your own living. >>> >>> I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can >>> absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - >>> free of charge. I know that you probably expect a >>> Welfare check to come with this information but at >>> least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say >>> below; I could not resist the >>> invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try >>> and help my fellow man!!! >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Robert Skinner wrote: >>> >>> > Rik Sandberg wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. >>> > >>> > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. >>> > I couldn't resist such an invitation... >>> > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. >>> > >>> > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get >>> > out of the way." >>> > >>> > As you correctly point out, there is too >>> > much empty talk about dying for our country >>> > from those with no flesh on the front lines. >>> > >>> > Apologies to those who may be offended by >>> > such a direct response. >>> > >>> > All honor to those who are in harm's way. >>> > >>> > /Robert Skinner >>> > __________________________________________________ >>> > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>> > www.rhodes22.org/list >>> > >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Sun Jun 12 22:40:21 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (Michael Meltzer) Date: Sun Jun 12 21:40:22 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c56d57$5c196e40$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <42A9C67C.1070903@effros.com> <001501c56e88$b4efcff0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <0aa101c56fb8$dc931720$6501a8c0@mjm2> she wants a 37-40, if you want that is still trailable but the next size up take a look at the seaward 26, a little more space, hot water and a bit more room, BTW gb does sell it. MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:55 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of maintenance and storage. She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on some of the newer boats. I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and solidly constructed. She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably sleep another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several months at a time. I would be just fine with keeping my R22. Any suggestions on compromise here? Joseph __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From cjlowe at bright.net Sun Jun 12 23:09:13 2005 From: cjlowe at bright.net (cjlowe) Date: Sun Jun 12 22:10:28 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question for James Wilson on sail trim References: <000101c56f98$bcbf1a40$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> <000901c56fb5$a1e302a0$28639c04@raysdesktop> Message-ID: <002f01c56fbc$e65cbfa0$599adb42@0017792884> Thanks for taking the time to post on sail trim,expect a few questions after I've had time to try some of this out. Jerry From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Sun Jun 12 21:01:14 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Sun Jun 12 23:01:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question for James Wilson on sail trim In-Reply-To: <002f01c56fbc$e65cbfa0$599adb42@0017792884> Message-ID: <20050613030114.95049.qmail@web81703.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for taking the time to post on sail trim,expect a few questions after I've had time to try some of this out. Jerry Without a doubt, telltale installation and utilization are the single most cost efficient performance upgrade you can possibly make to any boat. The very same theory also works quite well on Headsails as well. Only the method of altering the twist alters. Jib sheet tracks and cars do the trick here, with moving cars aft to increase twist, and fore to reduce. of course the tracks also have other effects such as moving draft af the sail around a bit too. In circumstances where the traveler is not able to reduce twist enough to make all of the telltales stream aft (Such as when sailing off the wind significantly) there are other tricks one can employ. Boom vangs do not always have to attach from the boom to the mast. The advantage of that setup is it works on every point of sail. However it does pose a potential problem with Pop tops. The downside of the boom to mast connection of a Vang is that much of the force genearted by the block and tackle is wasted as compression force of the boom into the goosenck on the mast. Pressure can easily be high enough to sheer goosenecks not up to the challenge. Esp. as wind forces pick up. Improved geometry can be obtained that redirects most of the effect to tightening the Leach alone by having several strategically placed and BEEFY pad eyes along the gunnels. The block that would normally attach to the mast should have some sort of quick release shackle so it can be attached to the most advantageously located padeye. The the vang can be tightened down. You do have to remeber to release and relocate as necessary before tacking and or gybing though. In this configuration, the vang also functions as a Preventer. However, typically when rigging a preventer the goal is to have the deck attachment as low as possible so as not to prevent the boom from rising. Mostly important in Boisterous seas with propensity for the boom to come in contact with Water. From ekroposki at charter.net Mon Jun 13 11:20:40 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Mon Jun 13 10:20:47 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chicago In-Reply-To: <00e601c56fb5$c59bc150$100aad43@hewlett63wy6j1> Message-ID: <000001c57023$143b3d00$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Glen, What peddling and not sailing that 'big' boat? Would your boat make it up to Georgia Bay? Can we get to go give your general sailing performance report? Have you had any problems with the keel system or a stay situation like Michael's? Does that marine head and shower perform as Dorene expected? Any comments of boat construction after one year? Michael mentioned that he had a cruising spinnaker. What sails do you have? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA R22 -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of dbarrera Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:18 PM To: Ronald Lipton; The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chicago Ron, Dorene and I saw your boat last night shifting in the wind over at Monroe Harbor whle heading toward the blues festival on our bikes from Burnham. We got there later than intended and saw Buddy Guy only sporadically through a throng of bodies. 15 minutes waiting for a Billy Goat Tavern double cheeesburger, cheesburger, chips...no fries. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Lipton" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > Ed, > > I guess he removed himself in any case... I am a Chicagoan, Cubs and > Bears fan. I know nothing of Georga Bay. Blues > festival this weekend - about 200 yards from my mooring. > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ed kroposki" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:58 AM > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > > >> Ron, >> That being true, there is the problem of newbie's, lurkers, those >> who are not computer savvy, and just to total volume of trash generated. >> He was using language inappropriate for a sailing forum and worse he >> was making outright personal attacks. >> Politics is one thing but he was way beyond that. >> We are waiting for your report on sailing your boat to Georgia Bay. >> >> Ed K >> Greenville, SC, USA >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Lipton >> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:51 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe >> >> I would like to remind folks that all e-mail clients have a >> spam blocker that allows you to turn off specific addresses. >> I have not received any of Steve's posts for a year. >> >> Ron >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ed kroposki" >> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:15 AM >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe >> >> >>> Steve, >>> Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and unnecessary. I >>> appreciate that you think you are a long timer with special status, but >> you >>> are abusing the list. >>> >>> Ed K >>> Greenville, SC, USA >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve >>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day >>> >>> Robert >>> Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly >>> Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. >>> >>> Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I >>> said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on >>> this list; your unwillingness to even try and >>> understand how the world work only show your lack of >>> brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help >>> themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go >>> to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. >>> Liberal central for you liberals & what is this >>> country doing; we are going after them. It is always >>> better to fight a war on some other Country soil as >>> compared to fighting it on this country soil. >>> >>> You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you >>> caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to >>> be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you >>> protested that war. This country had the capitality >>> to free those people & because of people like you; a >>> lot of vietamise people continue to have to live >>> without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some >>> elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT >>> JUST YOU. >>> >>> As for liberals like you who think the one thing that >>> government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE >>> checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits >>> on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a >>> worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not >>> a productive citizen, they are not helping this >>> country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be >>> proud of. >>> >>> Anybody that support allowing people to remain on >>> Welfare without a direct course of action to get off >>> Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you >>> are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy >>> life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass >>> and go to work and earn your own living. >>> >>> I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can >>> absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - >>> free of charge. I know that you probably expect a >>> Welfare check to come with this information but at >>> least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say >>> below; I could not resist the >>> invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try >>> and help my fellow man!!! >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Robert Skinner wrote: >>> >>> > Rik Sandberg wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. >>> > >>> > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. >>> > I couldn't resist such an invitation... >>> > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. >>> > >>> > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get >>> > out of the way." >>> > >>> > As you correctly point out, there is too >>> > much empty talk about dying for our country >>> > from those with no flesh on the front lines. >>> > >>> > Apologies to those who may be offended by >>> > such a direct response. >>> > >>> > All honor to those who are in harm's way. >>> > >>> > /Robert Skinner >>> > __________________________________________________ >>> > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>> > www.rhodes22.org/list >>> > >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From joscook at msn.com Mon Jun 13 11:56:09 2005 From: joscook at msn.com (J Cook) Date: Mon Jun 13 10:56:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats References: <015401c56f5d$120905b0$c2d507d0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: Stan, She was interested to hear you have some leads. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: stan To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats we rearrange marriages - have had one success so far - if you want to go for two I have leads for the professor. which reminds me of the line from a Gallagher and Sheen number: "So I pulled her on the shore; now she's mine for ever more" "Who, the lady Mr. Gallagher?" "No, the rowboat Mr. Sheen." stan/ec ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats > Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for the next > few years at least. > > Wally > >>From: "J Cook" > >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 >> >>I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >>seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too >>excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of >>maintenance and storage. >> >>She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on some >>of the newer boats. >> >>I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and >>solidly constructed. >> >>She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably sleep >>another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several months at a >>time. >> >>I would be just fine with keeping my R22. >> >>Any suggestions on compromise here? >> >> >> >>Joseph >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Mon Jun 13 12:18:33 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Mon Jun 13 11:19:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage In-Reply-To: <001f01c56f5d$3afeb5a0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> References: <001f01c56f5d$3afeb5a0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <42ADA3C9.7090007@effros.com> Bob, What happened to your boat in the hurricanes? Could you have done anything differently to prevent the problem? Are you doing anything differently now? Are there any general lessons to be learned? Bill Effros Robert Quinn wrote: > Wally's suggestion has a lot of merit. We moved to a larger boat, a > Tartan 37 keel/center boarder. While we truly love her, the > simplicity of the R22 is missed. We "bareboated" in the Caribbean for > ten years and did fall in love with the feel of the bigger boat with > the ability to sail, swim, and snorkel ourselves to the point of > exhaustion. However, US waters do not provide as friendly an > atmosphere. The Keys are great when the weather cooperates; however, > the Keys are a three day sail from our home port while the Caribbean > is a two to three hour flight. > > We still have not made the Bahamas as last year's hurricanes > necessitated repair work. We re-commissioned in late April but the > weather has not been very favorable in our neck of the woods recently > - three weeks of rainy thunderstorms. We did get a great sail from > the St. Lucie inlet down to the Lake Worth Inlet for an overnighter > three weeks ago. We then came back up and spent the night on Peck's > Lake, a little cut in the intercoastal. It was fun as we sailed in > the company of two other boats: a sister ship and an IP28. > > For simple day sailing though, the R22 is tops. Our plan is to move > back to the R22 when we feel the T37 becomes too hard to handle. > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats > > >> Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for the >> next few years at least. >> >> Wally >> >>> From: "J Cook" >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 >>> >>> I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >>> seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get >>> too excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and >>> ease of maintenance and storage. >>> >>> She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on >>> some of the newer boats. >>> >>> I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, >>> and solidly constructed. >>> >>> She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably >>> sleep another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several >>> months at a time. >>> >>> I would be just fine with keeping my R22. >>> >>> Any suggestions on compromise here? >>> >>> >>> >>> Joseph >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From stan at rhodes22.com Mon Jun 13 12:50:15 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Mon Jun 13 11:50:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats References: <015401c56f5d$120905b0$c2d507d0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <022d01c5702f$9ddf7b50$30d407d0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Rose vetoed the best one. ss ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats Stan, She was interested to hear you have some leads. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: stan To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats we rearrange marriages - have had one success so far - if you want to go for two I have leads for the professor. which reminds me of the line from a Gallagher and Sheen number: "So I pulled her on the shore; now she's mine for ever more" "Who, the lady Mr. Gallagher?" "No, the rowboat Mr. Sheen." stan/ec ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats > Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for the next > few years at least. > > Wally > >>From: "J Cook" > >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 >> >>I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >>seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too >>excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of >>maintenance and storage. >> >>She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on some >>of the newer boats. >> >>I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and >>solidly constructed. >> >>She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably sleep >>another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several months at a >>time. >> >>I would be just fine with keeping my R22. >> >>Any suggestions on compromise here? >> >> >> >>Joseph >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From joscook at msn.com Mon Jun 13 13:31:22 2005 From: joscook at msn.com (J Cook) Date: Mon Jun 13 12:31:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats References: <015401c56f5d$120905b0$c2d507d0@yourze8cxvr8tt> <022d01c5702f$9ddf7b50$30d407d0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: Shucks. Well, let me know if you happen to run across something. jc ----- Original Message ----- From: stan To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats Rose vetoed the best one. ss ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats Stan, She was interested to hear you have some leads. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: stan> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats we rearrange marriages - have had one success so far - if you want to go for two I have leads for the professor. which reminds me of the line from a Gallagher and Sheen number: "So I pulled her on the shore; now she's mine for ever more" "Who, the lady Mr. Gallagher?" "No, the rowboat Mr. Sheen." stan/ec ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats > Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for the next > few years at least. > > Wally > >>From: "J Cook" >> >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >> >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 >> >>I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >>seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too >>excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of >>maintenance and storage. >> >>She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on some >>of the newer boats. >> >>I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and >>solidly constructed. >> >>She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably sleep >>another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several months at a >>time. >> >>I would be just fine with keeping my R22. >> >>Any suggestions on compromise here? >> >> >> >>Joseph >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list> __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 13 13:31:49 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Mon Jun 13 12:31:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage References: <001f01c56f5d$3afeb5a0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <42ADA3C9.7090007@effros.com> Message-ID: <000601c57035$65f0baa0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Bill: As always there are lessons learned. Kathy and I were out of the area when the storms hit but we had done quite a bit before we departed the area in June, several months before the storms. We have the boat nestled away in a canal not too far from our home behind a friend's home who rents the dock to us. We had stripped the sails, bimini, stored the dinghy and dinghy motor in our garage, placed chaff guards, made sure that there was nothing lose around (other than the hatch covers). We had made arrangements with friends to double the lines if anything came up. (We will do that ourselves this year before we leave for points north in July. The doubled lines should be attached to the pilings, not the dock or dock cleats as we pulled one out). Our friends also placed an anchor off the dock to keep the boat from "crashing" into the dock and dock pilings. This worked extremely well for the first storm (Francis). The anchor was picked up and moved back to the side of the boat after the storm passed through. Everything great thus far. For Jeannine however, one of our friends was not in the area. The second fellow saw the line dangling over the side of the boat and assumed that the anchor was set. It was not, so for Jeannine we "kissed" one of the dock pilings causing the rub rail to "shave" a couple of inches off of the piling. The rub rail - stainless steel, bent but on the positive site the hull was not compromised. In the process we lost a stanchion base (cracked/broke), the mid-ship chocks were loosened / stripped, the coveline stripe was scraped off, additionally a nice scratch in the hull. Additionally, the standing rigging was stressed to the point that a spreader cracked. The spreader had to be welded back together, all the standing rigging needed to be replaced, and all the running rigging was replaced. The rigging issue can to some extent be attributed to the age of the boat (1983) but on the same token I had it surveyed in 2003 and replaced the forestay, Genoa/jib furling drum and swivel. (Lesson learned: Be sure the anchor is set to keep you off the dock!) All in all, a very stressful situation; however, we still have a sailboat! There were many, many that were complete write offs. Our biggest issue was getting work done as there was just so much work out there that those in the boat repair business were forced to go to a first come, first served basis. We had to coordinate between the yard where the boat was hauled, bottom painted, and waxed, the rigging company (Mack Sails in Stuart, who did a great job), and the hull repair people in addition to lining up the parts. We also wound up doing some minor motor work - replaced all of the hoses and tuned her up. We also replaced the transmission and acceleration cables as they were "sticking" periodically (found that the cable housing was worn away at an attachment point). There items that we wanted to do and the time was right. We also took the opportunity to pull the hatches to replace the grommets (not a fun experience). Other than pulling the boat out of the water and putting her on the "hard," I'm not sure that there was much more that we could have done. Sad to say though that some of the boats that were on the "hard" suffered more extensive damage than we took. In two nearby yards, boats were knocked off of their stands which created a domino effect - not a pretty site. The yards are re-evaluating their options as well. One yard up in Melbourne was 100% successful with their system. All of the boats on the hard survived as they also had tie down points (spider webbed) set into their concrete yard, similar to how aircraft are secured. Many yards are trying to duplicate this system. Other yards in Florida though are going out of business. The ownership has found that they can sell their yards to development companies anxious to build condos overlooking the water. This is a major concern of us boat owners. The state is attempting to come up with some Marine Industry incentives to keep these yards from selling out. The next couple of years, will indeed, be interesting. The biggest frustration was quite simply having to wait nearly seven months to get the boat re-commissioned so we could sail. {:>) At this point we are considering our options for the 2005 hurricane season. Right now leaving the boat in the same place seems the best bet as the local yards are not yet ready to do the "spider web" trick done up in Melbourne. (The Melbourne, yard by the way, is pretty small and only had m/v housed on their property.) We have a "qualified" monitor to keep an eye on the boat this season, so we will cross our fingers that the good Lord and Neptune will spare Stuart and the rest of Florida from the devastation of 2004. Bob on the "NoKaOi" PS: It was much easier to"drop the mast" on the R22, put her on her trailer, and tie her down in a safe area. {:>) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage > Bob, > > What happened to your boat in the hurricanes? Could you have done > anything differently to prevent the problem? Are you doing anything > differently now? Are there any general lessons to be learned? > > Bill Effros > > Robert Quinn wrote: > >> Wally's suggestion has a lot of merit. We moved to a larger boat, a >> Tartan 37 keel/center boarder. While we truly love her, the simplicity >> of the R22 is missed. We "bareboated" in the Caribbean for ten years and >> did fall in love with the feel of the bigger boat with the ability to >> sail, swim, and snorkel ourselves to the point of exhaustion. However, >> US waters do not provide as friendly an atmosphere. The Keys are great >> when the weather cooperates; however, the Keys are a three day sail from >> our home port while the Caribbean is a two to three hour flight. >> >> We still have not made the Bahamas as last year's hurricanes necessitated >> repair work. We re-commissioned in late April but the weather has not >> been very favorable in our neck of the woods recently - three weeks of >> rainy thunderstorms. We did get a great sail from the St. Lucie inlet >> down to the Lake Worth Inlet for an overnighter three weeks ago. We then >> came back up and spent the night on Peck's Lake, a little cut in the >> intercoastal. It was fun as we sailed in the company of two other boats: >> a sister ship and an IP28. >> >> For simple day sailing though, the R22 is tops. Our plan is to move back >> to the R22 when we feel the T37 becomes too hard to handle. >> >> Bob on the "NoKaOi" >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >> >> >>> Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for the >>> next few years at least. >>> >>> Wally >>> >>>> From: "J Cook" >>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>>> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 >>>> >>>> I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >>>> seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too >>>> excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of >>>> maintenance and storage. >>>> >>>> She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on >>>> some of the newer boats. >>>> >>>> I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and >>>> solidly constructed. >>>> >>>> She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably >>>> sleep another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several >>>> months at a time. >>>> >>>> I would be just fine with keeping my R22. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions on compromise here? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joseph >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From bill at effros.com Mon Jun 13 14:04:14 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Mon Jun 13 13:04:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage In-Reply-To: <000601c57035$65f0baa0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> References: <001f01c56f5d$3afeb5a0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <42ADA3C9.7090007@effros.com> <000601c57035$65f0baa0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <42ADBC8E.2080001@effros.com> Thanks for taking the time, Bob. Each of us will face a problem like this sometime, we just don't know when. From your description, it sounds like the best protection you got was from your anchor. What type of anchor were you using? How do you set it while your boat is in the slip? Or do you set it first? I am on a mooring with a 300 Lb. mushroom anchor. My boat has ridden out several storms, and some hurricanes--but not like yours. All the boats in my cove (there are 100s of them, widely spaced) are on properly sized mushroom anchors and there is very little boat to boat damage during storms. My inclination is that my boat is safer on the water than it is on the land. Up here, people have special mushroom anchor setting boats. The anchors are pulled periodically and all of the tackle inspected and replaced as necessary. The anchors set solidly in the mucky bottom, and, for the most part, stay where they are set. I have never set additional anchors in the face of approaching storms, in keeping with my "ain't broke-don't fix" philosophy. Bill Effros Robert Quinn wrote: > Bill: As always there are lessons learned. Kathy and I were out of > the area when the storms hit but we had done quite a bit before we > departed the area in June, several months before the storms. We have > the boat nestled away in a canal not too far from our home behind a > friend's home who rents the dock to us. We had stripped the sails, > bimini, stored the dinghy and dinghy motor in our garage, placed chaff > guards, made sure that there was nothing lose around (other than the > hatch covers). We had made arrangements with friends to double the > lines if anything came up. (We will do that ourselves this year before > we leave for points north in July. The doubled lines should be > attached to the pilings, not the dock or dock cleats as we pulled one > out). Our friends also placed an anchor off the dock to keep the boat > from "crashing" into the dock and dock pilings. This worked extremely > well for the first storm (Francis). The anchor was picked up and > moved back to the side of the boat after the storm passed through. > Everything great thus far. For Jeannine however, one of our friends > was not in the area. The second fellow saw the line dangling over the > side of the boat and assumed that the anchor was set. It was not, so > for Jeannine we "kissed" one of the dock pilings causing the rub rail > to "shave" a couple of inches off of the piling. The rub rail - > stainless steel, bent but on the positive site the hull was not > compromised. In the process we lost a stanchion base (cracked/broke), > the mid-ship chocks were loosened / stripped, the coveline stripe was > scraped off, additionally a nice scratch in the hull. Additionally, > the standing rigging was stressed to the point that a spreader > cracked. The spreader had to be welded back together, all the > standing rigging needed to be replaced, and all the running rigging > was replaced. The rigging issue can to some extent be attributed to > the age of the boat (1983) but on the same token I had it surveyed in > 2003 and replaced the forestay, Genoa/jib furling drum and swivel. > (Lesson learned: Be sure the anchor is set to keep you off the dock!) > > All in all, a very stressful situation; however, we still have a > sailboat! There were many, many that were complete write offs. Our > biggest issue was getting work done as there was just so much work out > there that those in the boat repair business were forced to go to a > first come, first served basis. We had to coordinate between the yard > where the boat was hauled, bottom painted, and waxed, the rigging > company (Mack Sails in Stuart, who did a great job), and the hull > repair people in addition to lining up the parts. We also wound up > doing some minor motor work - replaced all of the hoses and tuned her > up. We also replaced the transmission and acceleration cables as they > were "sticking" periodically (found that the cable housing was worn > away at an attachment point). There items that we wanted to do and > the time was right. We also took the opportunity to pull the hatches > to replace the grommets (not a fun experience). > > Other than pulling the boat out of the water and putting her on the > "hard," I'm not sure that there was much more that we could have > done. Sad to say though that some of the boats that were on the > "hard" suffered more extensive damage than we took. In two nearby > yards, boats were knocked off of their stands which created a domino > effect - not a pretty site. The yards are re-evaluating their options > as well. One yard up in Melbourne was 100% successful with their > system. All of the boats on the hard survived as they also had tie > down points (spider webbed) set into their concrete yard, similar to > how aircraft are secured. Many yards are trying to duplicate this > system. Other yards in Florida though are going out of business. The > ownership has found that they can sell their yards to development > companies anxious to build condos overlooking the water. This is a > major concern of us boat owners. The state is attempting to come up > with some Marine Industry incentives to keep these yards from selling > out. The next couple of years, will indeed, be interesting. > > The biggest frustration was quite simply having to wait nearly seven > months to get the boat re-commissioned so we could sail. {:>) > > At this point we are considering our options for the 2005 hurricane > season. Right now leaving the boat in the same place seems the best > bet as the local yards are not yet ready to do the "spider web" trick > done up in Melbourne. (The Melbourne, yard by the way, is pretty small > and only had m/v housed on their property.) We have a "qualified" > monitor to keep an eye on the boat this season, so we will cross our > fingers that the good Lord and Neptune will spare Stuart and the rest > of Florida from the devastation of 2004. > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > PS: It was much easier to"drop the mast" on the R22, put her on her > trailer, and tie her down in a safe area. {:>) > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:18 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage > > >> Bob, >> >> What happened to your boat in the hurricanes? Could you have done >> anything differently to prevent the problem? Are you doing anything >> differently now? Are there any general lessons to be learned? >> >> Bill Effros >> >> Robert Quinn wrote: >> >>> Wally's suggestion has a lot of merit. We moved to a larger boat, a >>> Tartan 37 keel/center boarder. While we truly love her, the >>> simplicity of the R22 is missed. We "bareboated" in the Caribbean >>> for ten years and did fall in love with the feel of the bigger boat >>> with the ability to sail, swim, and snorkel ourselves to the point >>> of exhaustion. However, US waters do not provide as friendly an >>> atmosphere. The Keys are great when the weather cooperates; >>> however, the Keys are a three day sail from our home port while the >>> Caribbean is a two to three hour flight. >>> >>> We still have not made the Bahamas as last year's hurricanes >>> necessitated repair work. We re-commissioned in late April but the >>> weather has not been very favorable in our neck of the woods >>> recently - three weeks of rainy thunderstorms. We did get a great >>> sail from the St. Lucie inlet down to the Lake Worth Inlet for an >>> overnighter three weeks ago. We then came back up and spent the >>> night on Peck's Lake, a little cut in the intercoastal. It was fun >>> as we sailed in the company of two other boats: a sister ship and an >>> IP28. >>> >>> For simple day sailing though, the R22 is tops. Our plan is to move >>> back to the R22 when we feel the T37 becomes too hard to handle. >>> >>> Bob on the "NoKaOi" >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM >>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>> >>> >>>> Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for >>>> the next few years at least. >>>> >>>> Wally >>>> >>>>> From: "J Cook" >>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>>>> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 >>>>> >>>>> I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >>>>> seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get >>>>> too excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and >>>>> ease of maintenance and storage. >>>>> >>>>> She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts >>>>> on some of the newer boats. >>>>> >>>>> I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal >>>>> keel, and solidly constructed. >>>>> >>>>> She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could >>>>> comfortably sleep another couple for a weekend and go to the >>>>> islands for several months at a time. >>>>> >>>>> I would be just fine with keeping my R22. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions on compromise here? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Joseph >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From mkaynor at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 14:22:13 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Mon Jun 13 13:22:44 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oops page In-Reply-To: <42ADBC8E.2080001@effros.com> Message-ID: <42adc0e1.0bffae18.521e.010d@mx.gmail.com> Brad (and other pilots), I was stumbling around the web this afternoon, ran across this site, and thought of you - there are some pretty "interesting" aviation-related photos here: http://www.micom.net/oops/ For instance: http://zeeb.at/oops/F8overshoot1.jpg Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:04 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage Thanks for taking the time, Bob. Each of us will face a problem like this sometime, we just don't know when. From your description, it sounds like the best protection you got was from your anchor. What type of anchor were you using? How do you set it while your boat is in the slip? Or do you set it first? I am on a mooring with a 300 Lb. mushroom anchor. My boat has ridden out several storms, and some hurricanes--but not like yours. All the boats in my cove (there are 100s of them, widely spaced) are on properly sized mushroom anchors and there is very little boat to boat damage during storms. My inclination is that my boat is safer on the water than it is on the land. Up here, people have special mushroom anchor setting boats. The anchors are pulled periodically and all of the tackle inspected and replaced as necessary. The anchors set solidly in the mucky bottom, and, for the most part, stay where they are set. I have never set additional anchors in the face of approaching storms, in keeping with my "ain't broke-don't fix" philosophy. Bill Effros Robert Quinn wrote: > Bill: As always there are lessons learned. Kathy and I were out of > the area when the storms hit but we had done quite a bit before we > departed the area in June, several months before the storms. We have > the boat nestled away in a canal not too far from our home behind a > friend's home who rents the dock to us. We had stripped the sails, > bimini, stored the dinghy and dinghy motor in our garage, placed chaff > guards, made sure that there was nothing lose around (other than the > hatch covers). We had made arrangements with friends to double the > lines if anything came up. (We will do that ourselves this year before > we leave for points north in July. The doubled lines should be > attached to the pilings, not the dock or dock cleats as we pulled one > out). Our friends also placed an anchor off the dock to keep the boat > from "crashing" into the dock and dock pilings. This worked extremely > well for the first storm (Francis). The anchor was picked up and > moved back to the side of the boat after the storm passed through. > Everything great thus far. For Jeannine however, one of our friends > was not in the area. The second fellow saw the line dangling over the > side of the boat and assumed that the anchor was set. It was not, so > for Jeannine we "kissed" one of the dock pilings causing the rub rail > to "shave" a couple of inches off of the piling. The rub rail - > stainless steel, bent but on the positive site the hull was not > compromised. In the process we lost a stanchion base (cracked/broke), > the mid-ship chocks were loosened / stripped, the coveline stripe was > scraped off, additionally a nice scratch in the hull. Additionally, > the standing rigging was stressed to the point that a spreader > cracked. The spreader had to be welded back together, all the > standing rigging needed to be replaced, and all the running rigging > was replaced. The rigging issue can to some extent be attributed to > the age of the boat (1983) but on the same token I had it surveyed in > 2003 and replaced the forestay, Genoa/jib furling drum and swivel. > (Lesson learned: Be sure the anchor is set to keep you off the dock!) > > All in all, a very stressful situation; however, we still have a > sailboat! There were many, many that were complete write offs. Our > biggest issue was getting work done as there was just so much work out > there that those in the boat repair business were forced to go to a > first come, first served basis. We had to coordinate between the yard > where the boat was hauled, bottom painted, and waxed, the rigging > company (Mack Sails in Stuart, who did a great job), and the hull > repair people in addition to lining up the parts. We also wound up > doing some minor motor work - replaced all of the hoses and tuned her > up. We also replaced the transmission and acceleration cables as they > were "sticking" periodically (found that the cable housing was worn > away at an attachment point). There items that we wanted to do and > the time was right. We also took the opportunity to pull the hatches > to replace the grommets (not a fun experience). > > Other than pulling the boat out of the water and putting her on the > "hard," I'm not sure that there was much more that we could have done. > Sad to say though that some of the boats that were on the "hard" > suffered more extensive damage than we took. In two nearby yards, > boats were knocked off of their stands which created a domino effect - > not a pretty site. The yards are re-evaluating their options as well. > One yard up in Melbourne was 100% successful with their system. All > of the boats on the hard survived as they also had tie down points > (spider webbed) set into their concrete yard, similar to how aircraft > are secured. Many yards are trying to duplicate this system. Other > yards in Florida though are going out of business. The ownership has > found that they can sell their yards to development companies anxious > to build condos overlooking the water. This is a major concern of us > boat owners. The state is attempting to come up with some Marine > Industry incentives to keep these yards from selling out. The next > couple of years, will indeed, be interesting. > > The biggest frustration was quite simply having to wait nearly seven > months to get the boat re-commissioned so we could sail. {:>) > > At this point we are considering our options for the 2005 hurricane > season. Right now leaving the boat in the same place seems the best > bet as the local yards are not yet ready to do the "spider web" trick > done up in Melbourne. (The Melbourne, yard by the way, is pretty small > and only had m/v housed on their property.) We have a "qualified" > monitor to keep an eye on the boat this season, so we will cross our > fingers that the good Lord and Neptune will spare Stuart and the rest > of Florida from the devastation of 2004. > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > PS: It was much easier to"drop the mast" on the R22, put her on her > trailer, and tie her down in a safe area. {:>) > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:18 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage > > >> Bob, >> >> What happened to your boat in the hurricanes? Could you have done >> anything differently to prevent the problem? Are you doing anything >> differently now? Are there any general lessons to be learned? >> >> Bill Effros >> >> Robert Quinn wrote: >> >>> Wally's suggestion has a lot of merit. We moved to a larger boat, a >>> Tartan 37 keel/center boarder. While we truly love her, the >>> simplicity of the R22 is missed. We "bareboated" in the Caribbean >>> for ten years and did fall in love with the feel of the bigger boat >>> with the ability to sail, swim, and snorkel ourselves to the point >>> of exhaustion. However, US waters do not provide as friendly an >>> atmosphere. The Keys are great when the weather cooperates; >>> however, the Keys are a three day sail from our home port while the >>> Caribbean is a two to three hour flight. >>> >>> We still have not made the Bahamas as last year's hurricanes >>> necessitated repair work. We re-commissioned in late April but the >>> weather has not been very favorable in our neck of the woods >>> recently - three weeks of rainy thunderstorms. We did get a great >>> sail from the St. Lucie inlet down to the Lake Worth Inlet for an >>> overnighter three weeks ago. We then came back up and spent the >>> night on Peck's Lake, a little cut in the intercoastal. It was fun >>> as we sailed in the company of two other boats: a sister ship and an >>> IP28. >>> >>> For simple day sailing though, the R22 is tops. Our plan is to move >>> back to the R22 when we feel the T37 becomes too hard to handle. >>> >>> Bob on the "NoKaOi" >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM >>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>> >>> >>>> Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for >>>> the next few years at least. >>>> >>>> Wally >>>> >>>>> From: "J Cook" >>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>>>> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 >>>>> >>>>> I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >>>>> seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get >>>>> too excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and >>>>> ease of maintenance and storage. >>>>> >>>>> She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts >>>>> on some of the newer boats. >>>>> >>>>> I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal >>>>> keel, and solidly constructed. >>>>> >>>>> She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could >>>>> comfortably sleep another couple for a weekend and go to the >>>>> islands for several months at a time. >>>>> >>>>> I would be just fine with keeping my R22. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions on compromise here? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Joseph >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From joscook at msn.com Mon Jun 13 14:25:26 2005 From: joscook at msn.com (J Cook) Date: Mon Jun 13 13:25:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage References: <001f01c56f5d$3afeb5a0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem><42ADA3C9.7090007@effros.com> <000601c57035$65f0baa0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: Bob, I like the idea of anchor off the stern to keep the boat from the dock. I wonder if people in wet slips at a marine did that and if so, I wonder if there were problems with getting caught in each others rode. Some marinas up in St Augustine suffered a lot of damage, even with the sustained winds less than 80 mph. Concrete floating docks crashing, etc. Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Quinn To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage Bill: As always there are lessons learned. Kathy and I were out of the area when the storms hit but we had done quite a bit before we departed the area in June, several months before the storms. We have the boat nestled away in a canal not too far from our home behind a friend's home who rents the dock to us. We had stripped the sails, bimini, stored the dinghy and dinghy motor in our garage, placed chaff guards, made sure that there was nothing lose around (other than the hatch covers). We had made arrangements with friends to double the lines if anything came up. (We will do that ourselves this year before we leave for points north in July. The doubled lines should be attached to the pilings, not the dock or dock cleats as we pulled one out). Our friends also placed an anchor off the dock to keep the boat from "crashing" into the dock and dock pilings. This worked extremely well for the first storm (Francis). The anchor was picked up and moved back to the side of the boat after the storm passed through. Everything great thus far. For Jeannine however, one of our friends was not in the area. The second fellow saw the line dangling over the side of the boat and assumed that the anchor was set. It was not, so for Jeannine we "kissed" one of the dock pilings causing the rub rail to "shave" a couple of inches off of the piling. The rub rail - stainless steel, bent but on the positive site the hull was not compromised. In the process we lost a stanchion base (cracked/broke), the mid-ship chocks were loosened / stripped, the coveline stripe was scraped off, additionally a nice scratch in the hull. Additionally, the standing rigging was stressed to the point that a spreader cracked. The spreader had to be welded back together, all the standing rigging needed to be replaced, and all the running rigging was replaced. The rigging issue can to some extent be attributed to the age of the boat (1983) but on the same token I had it surveyed in 2003 and replaced the forestay, Genoa/jib furling drum and swivel. (Lesson learned: Be sure the anchor is set to keep you off the dock!) All in all, a very stressful situation; however, we still have a sailboat! There were many, many that were complete write offs. Our biggest issue was getting work done as there was just so much work out there that those in the boat repair business were forced to go to a first come, first served basis. We had to coordinate between the yard where the boat was hauled, bottom painted, and waxed, the rigging company (Mack Sails in Stuart, who did a great job), and the hull repair people in addition to lining up the parts. We also wound up doing some minor motor work - replaced all of the hoses and tuned her up. We also replaced the transmission and acceleration cables as they were "sticking" periodically (found that the cable housing was worn away at an attachment point). There items that we wanted to do and the time was right. We also took the opportunity to pull the hatches to replace the grommets (not a fun experience). Other than pulling the boat out of the water and putting her on the "hard," I'm not sure that there was much more that we could have done. Sad to say though that some of the boats that were on the "hard" suffered more extensive damage than we took. In two nearby yards, boats were knocked off of their stands which created a domino effect - not a pretty site. The yards are re-evaluating their options as well. One yard up in Melbourne was 100% successful with their system. All of the boats on the hard survived as they also had tie down points (spider webbed) set into their concrete yard, similar to how aircraft are secured. Many yards are trying to duplicate this system. Other yards in Florida though are going out of business. The ownership has found that they can sell their yards to development companies anxious to build condos overlooking the water. This is a major concern of us boat owners. The state is attempting to come up with some Marine Industry incentives to keep these yards from selling out. The next couple of years, will indeed, be interesting. The biggest frustration was quite simply having to wait nearly seven months to get the boat re-commissioned so we could sail. {:>) At this point we are considering our options for the 2005 hurricane season. Right now leaving the boat in the same place seems the best bet as the local yards are not yet ready to do the "spider web" trick done up in Melbourne. (The Melbourne, yard by the way, is pretty small and only had m/v housed on their property.) We have a "qualified" monitor to keep an eye on the boat this season, so we will cross our fingers that the good Lord and Neptune will spare Stuart and the rest of Florida from the devastation of 2004. Bob on the "NoKaOi" PS: It was much easier to"drop the mast" on the R22, put her on her trailer, and tie her down in a safe area. {:>) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage > Bob, > > What happened to your boat in the hurricanes? Could you have done > anything differently to prevent the problem? Are you doing anything > differently now? Are there any general lessons to be learned? > > Bill Effros > > Robert Quinn wrote: > >> Wally's suggestion has a lot of merit. We moved to a larger boat, a >> Tartan 37 keel/center boarder. While we truly love her, the simplicity >> of the R22 is missed. We "bareboated" in the Caribbean for ten years and >> did fall in love with the feel of the bigger boat with the ability to >> sail, swim, and snorkel ourselves to the point of exhaustion. However, >> US waters do not provide as friendly an atmosphere. The Keys are great >> when the weather cooperates; however, the Keys are a three day sail from >> our home port while the Caribbean is a two to three hour flight. >> >> We still have not made the Bahamas as last year's hurricanes necessitated >> repair work. We re-commissioned in late April but the weather has not >> been very favorable in our neck of the woods recently - three weeks of >> rainy thunderstorms. We did get a great sail from the St. Lucie inlet >> down to the Lake Worth Inlet for an overnighter three weeks ago. We then >> came back up and spent the night on Peck's Lake, a little cut in the >> intercoastal. It was fun as we sailed in the company of two other boats: >> a sister ship and an IP28. >> >> For simple day sailing though, the R22 is tops. Our plan is to move back >> to the R22 when we feel the T37 becomes too hard to handle. >> >> Bob on the "NoKaOi" >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >> >> >>> Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for the >>> next few years at least. >>> >>> Wally >>> >>>> From: "J Cook" > >>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>>> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 >>>> >>>> I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >>>> seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get too >>>> excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and ease of >>>> maintenance and storage. >>>> >>>> She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts on >>>> some of the newer boats. >>>> >>>> I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal keel, and >>>> solidly constructed. >>>> >>>> She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could comfortably >>>> sleep another couple for a weekend and go to the islands for several >>>> months at a time. >>>> >>>> I would be just fine with keeping my R22. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions on compromise here? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Joseph >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Mon Jun 13 15:33:14 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Mon Jun 13 14:33:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forwarded for Bill E and Bob Q Message-ID: <000001c57046$5cc0ad80$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Bob, Do you watch the west Florida list on sailnet? Bill Effros has been wanting to go to the Florida Keys for years now. This recently came up on the West Florida list about his trip to the lower keys including the Tortugas. I can see Bill with his harness hanging on to his tiller . Ed K Also he has some pictures if you email him direct. -----Original Message----- From: Sailsman10@comcast.net [mailto:Sailsman10@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:48 AM To: West Florida Subject: [westfl] Tortugas Trip "One bad day" The exciting trip from the Dry Tortugas to Key West Our plan after 3 days at the Dry Tortugas was to start early (7:30 am) and take the 38 miles to the Marquesas islands where we would anchor out and snorkel and fish for 2 nights and then off to Key West, another 30 miles. We pulled up the anchor right at 7:30 and motored around Ft. Jefferson and around the other little keys there and rounded marker #2 and started the easterly trek to the Marquesas. There was another boat about a mile ahead of us we could see and we knew that the Fullers (who were also sailing this route with us) would be behind us in about an hour. They were in a newer Hunter 42 and cruise at 7 knots and we plod along in our O?Day 30 at 5.5 knots. Their longer waterline and 64 hp diesel is much faster than our old Yanmar 15. It was overcast and we were not able to get a weather report on the radio out so far but had read the posted weather at the ranger station. It said 30% chance of showers and thunderstorms for the next 3 days. We figured one day was as iffy as another. We were under mainsail and full 150 genoa rolled all the way out. We had the motor on trying to make the point as the wind was real close to the nose and this let us move at about 5.5 knots. We were about an hour out between the marker and Rebecca Shoals which we needed to leave to our port and then turn more Easterly. We thought we would then be able to turn off the motor and be under sail. We noticed a long gray black line behind us and saw it was coming right up on our stern. It looked bad but they always look bad until you get in them then they are just normal rainy, windy, etc. We did not see any lightning or hear any thunder so kept plodding on and did not reduce sail. We noticed the other boat was doing the same. In about 10 minutes the wind came up. Really up, 20 to 25mph, maybe more, and hit us on the quarter knocking us down and rounding us up into the wind until we stalled and got knocked down again. We did not get the rail in the water as the wind would surge, then let off, then surge. In the Lulls we rounded up, righting the boat. We released the main and genoa. Rhonda tried to hold the sheet while I pulled the roller furler. We got it rolled up but it was wrapped so tight that it did not go all the way and about 4 feet of sail was flapping and the sheets were flying around. I went on top and lowered the main while Rhonda tried to keep the boat in a somewhat upright state. Trying to get the topping lift hooked I pushed the main and felt a tear in my shoulder. Great! I got it down, thanks a lot to the lazy jacks that I had up and ready. The main fell right down in the slot. Now we could steer. Rhonda went below in her life jacket and reports that looking up all she could see was me and the waves over my head in the stern. We tried to power up and into the wind and tighten the sheets on the flapping genoa but by now the wind had increased to at least 30 maybe 40mph gusts and we could not get enough power to get the nose into the wind, so I fell off (steered away from the wind) and put the stern to the storm and let us surf down the building seas. Rhonda came up and helped. This gave us control but within a few minutes the wind had increased to gusts of maybe 50+ and these started shredding the bimini top right off the frame. It began flapping all around me at the helm and Rhonda went below, got the sailing knife, opened it and handed it up. I was able to cut off the rest of the canvas so at least I could see and was not getting smacked in the head by the canvas shreds. I then saw the sheets parted from the ring on the genoa and fell to the deck. Now the genoa was unfurled and flapping in the wind. I assumed the ring had pulled out at the clew. . The wind and waves continued to build and we were surfing along at what was recorded on the GPS as a new max velocity of 9.9 knots. Our sailing speed is usually 6.5 to 7 knots at very best. This was not good and Rhonda was below with her life jacket on trying not to cry, scared. I hollered down for her to get up here and help. She bit her lip and up she came. Rhonda took the wheel and I went forward with a line to roll up the rest of the sail and tie it off. I ran up and in my haste forgot to put back on my lifejacket. This was not a fun job as we were surfing the waves and the wind and rain were pelting me. We did get it though and I was able to secure the sail. We were now running under power and bare poles. The lazy jacks saved the main and I was able to tie a line or two around it to make sure it stayed put. Now I felt we were safe even though the storm was all over us we were steering the boat and not getting knocked down. We knew we could ride this out. At this time we heard a distress call on the radio. It was the other boat we were sailing near. We could not see them but they were calling a distress call. They were the Barnacle Bait. They had on the boat a grandfather, his son and 3 grandkids. They had lost their motor and their mast had somehow pushed through the deck and collapsed the compression post so were without power and sail and the mast was flopping around half in and half out. We have a new radio cable on our boat that runs from the radio up the mast to the antenna. It is an extra thick and highly efficient system that is an upgrade most people do not do. We were the only boat that could receive and send to Ft Jefferson so Rhonda, scared though she was, went below and radioed communications between Barnacle Bait and the Rangers at Ft. Jefferson who called the Coast Guard that dispatched immediately. We continued to stay in communications with them. The blow lasted about 45 minutes and we now hear from other boats out there winds were in the 50 to 65 mile range. We then monitored several other boats and relayed communications between them and whomever they were trying to reach. All and all our radio worked when all others failed. We saw one large 54 footer in Key West later that said they clocked over 55 mph winds. They had 2 knockdowns and lost their Genoa as it too did not retract and blew out. On the Dry Tortugas the boats in the Anchorage were also dealing with the storm. Although our friends anchored there did fairly well, several boats broke anchor or drug off the hook and into the islands beaching themselves in the big waves and wind. Finally the wind abated and we rounded back into the wind and tried to figure out where we were. We used the handheld GPS but did not believe what it was telling us so we radioed our position to another boat back at the fort, Spirit, and he plotted our coordinates and gave us a course to get back on track. We had been blown about 6 or 7 miles off course and had to then try to motor into the wind and seas of about 6 to 8 feet. We were sluggish to say the least just rolling up on the rollers and then falling down. Our progress showed about 3 kts. Our little 15 hp motor had a hard time punching us over 8 foot swells. After another half hour the wind had calmed enough I felt we could put up the main and since we have a small main we might get some drive and steadying from it. I figured about 20 mph. This time I put on the jacket and went up and raised the main. We immediately steadied and began to drive forward. What a great feeling a sail boat can give you when it starts doing what it was designed to do. We were still powering at 2000 rpm but that was mostly heading us in the right direction. The small main thrust us forward and we started making headway into the wind. We called our friends who were supposed to be behind us and found they were far ahead now. We took about 2 hours to get back to where we could turn east and miss the shoals. As we reached a southern point where we wanted to turn on the GPS we eased off the wind and pointed East. Then I went forward again and checked the roller furler. I found the snapshackel had let go and the ring was intact. What luck, we now had both sails available. I untangled the sheets and snapped them on to the sail. I untied the sail returned to the cockpit and we rolled out about ? the genoa. Now we began to eat the waves and once again were motor sailing down the waves with the wind just off our nose but the waves at our quarter. Rhonda went to the rail and threw up---several times. After everything she finally had time to think about what just happened. We sailed along for several hours like this doing about 5 kts. Our friends in the 42 called again on the radio and reported they were at the Marquesas under power, had been knocked around a lot but were now in calmer water. They were all sore and bumped but their boat was unharmed. He and his family had on life jackets and he was wearing his harness. They were not going to try for the Marquesas but go on to Key West. They thought they would make it by 7 pm. We told them we would follow but not to look for us before 10 or 11 pm. The next we heard from them was at 7:30. They were in and anchor down. We were still in the channel motor sailing and doing now about 5.5 to 6 kts but still having to tack every few hours to the south. At about 8:30 we heard the motor sound change. Instead of the rhythmic thump-thump we heard puff-puff. I knew this sound and a look over the stern showed we were no longer pumping water through the motor. I shut it down. Now it was nearly dusk, seas were calming and were in the 4 to 5 foot range but very overcast, winds about 20+, and 24 miles to go. Well, we were sailing. Rhonda looked at me like, well? Now what? It was almost funny. We did laugh, I told her we were not IN, trouble but we HAD trouble. The difference is we could handle this. We were sailing along fine now and even took a shot or two of the sunset. It looked so calm now. At 9:30pm I radioed for Key West TowBoat US. They responded and wanted to know if we were in distress. They had just dropped off Barnacle Bait and were on their way to get some dinner. The Coast Guard had responded to them and towed them about halfway to Key West and the Tow Boat US arrived and took over. The Coast Guard had boarded all the passengers (kids and father) off Barnacle Bait and took them on to Key West. We told them we were sailing along fine now under full sail of 150 and the main. We were doing 5 to 6 kts and on point for the Key West SW channel. We told them to go to dinner, call us in 2 hours and we should be near the harbor where they could come out and tow us to Conch Harbor where we had reservations for the next day. It was real dark, no stars, no moon and only a few channel marker lights flashing on the reef islands to starboard and an occasional light on the islands to port. Man Island, Woman Island, Crawfish Island we sailed past them and to the now visible lights on the horizon that were Key West. We were going to get this behind us. At about 11:00 TowBoatUS hailed us and said they were loading the boat to come out for us .We gave them our coordinates and soon they hailed us to identify them as they flashed us with their spotlight. Rhonda went below and talked to them on the radio and we formulated a plan for the hookup. They pulled up near us, Rhonda rounded into the wind and I rolled in the genoa and dropped the main. They pulled alongside and pitched a tow line that I made fast to the bow cleat. They eased up the slack and let out about a ton of line and began the tow us in and through the harbor. I steered and Rhonda relayed info on the radio. At about 12:30am, we cleated on to the fuel dock at Conch Harbor. The tow boat guys stopped and told us they would be back first thing in the morning to move us to a slip. We were here and safe. We ate some cinnamon spins which completed our great feast of two other granola bars for the day, and fell fast asleep. At 6:30 am the following morning the dock man was banging on the deck. We awoke and explained our situation. They moved us to an out of the way spot, gave us fresh coffee and we called for a Yanmar repair man. About 2 hours later he showed up. He came from Stock Island and I asked him if he knew my Uncle Tommy there. Come to find out they are good friends. He checked everything out and changed an impeller and pronounced us good to go. The tow was covered under our Boat US policy and the repair was pretty inexpensive. Small world. Two days later we rented a motor scooter and went to Stock island and met not only Tommy there but we also met the Captain of Barnacle Bait and who was preparing to motor across Florida Bay to Naples then up to Cape Coral. We took pictures of the boat and the captain. He was ever so grateful to us for calling help for him. There were a few times during this all we thought about was family and friends. It truly is a marvelous world full of wonder. Terry and Rhonda -/) To unsubscribe visit http://list.sailnet.net/read/login/?forum= and enter your email address _/) SailNet and Airforce Sails _/) FAQ http://www.sailnet.com/listmgr/help/ -/) To unsubscribe visit http://list.sailnet.net/read/login/?forum= and enter your email address From bill at effros.com Mon Jun 13 16:11:56 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Mon Jun 13 15:12:03 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oops page In-Reply-To: <42adc0e1.0bffae18.521e.010d@mx.gmail.com> References: <42adc0e1.0bffae18.521e.010d@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42ADDA7C.5060206@effros.com> Oooh, Mark, What a page! Thanks for posting--you sure can find them. I'll put up with a lot of silly politics on this list for the gems like this that sometimes come through. Bill Effros Mark Kaynor wrote: > >Brad (and other pilots), > >I was stumbling around the web this afternoon, ran across this site, and >thought of you - there are some pretty "interesting" aviation-related photos >here: > >http://www.micom.net/oops/ > >For instance: >http://zeeb.at/oops/F8overshoot1.jpg > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros >Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:04 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage > >Thanks for taking the time, Bob. Each of us will face a problem like this >sometime, we just don't know when. > > From your description, it sounds like the best protection you got was from >your anchor. What type of anchor were you using? How do you set it while >your boat is in the slip? Or do you set it first? > >I am on a mooring with a 300 Lb. mushroom anchor. My boat has ridden out >several storms, and some hurricanes--but not like yours. All the boats in >my cove (there are 100s of them, widely spaced) are on properly sized >mushroom anchors and there is very little boat to boat damage during storms. >My inclination is that my boat is safer on the water than it is on the land. > >Up here, people have special mushroom anchor setting boats. The anchors are >pulled periodically and all of the tackle inspected and replaced as >necessary. The anchors set solidly in the mucky bottom, and, for the most >part, stay where they are set. I have never set additional anchors in the >face of approaching storms, in keeping with my "ain't broke-don't fix" >philosophy. > >Bill Effros > >Robert Quinn wrote: > > > >>Bill: As always there are lessons learned. Kathy and I were out of >>the area when the storms hit but we had done quite a bit before we >>departed the area in June, several months before the storms. We have >>the boat nestled away in a canal not too far from our home behind a >>friend's home who rents the dock to us. We had stripped the sails, >>bimini, stored the dinghy and dinghy motor in our garage, placed chaff >>guards, made sure that there was nothing lose around (other than the >>hatch covers). We had made arrangements with friends to double the >>lines if anything came up. (We will do that ourselves this year before >>we leave for points north in July. The doubled lines should be >>attached to the pilings, not the dock or dock cleats as we pulled one >>out). Our friends also placed an anchor off the dock to keep the boat >>from "crashing" into the dock and dock pilings. This worked extremely >>well for the first storm (Francis). The anchor was picked up and >>moved back to the side of the boat after the storm passed through. >>Everything great thus far. For Jeannine however, one of our friends >>was not in the area. The second fellow saw the line dangling over the >>side of the boat and assumed that the anchor was set. It was not, so >>for Jeannine we "kissed" one of the dock pilings causing the rub rail >>to "shave" a couple of inches off of the piling. The rub rail - >>stainless steel, bent but on the positive site the hull was not >>compromised. In the process we lost a stanchion base (cracked/broke), >>the mid-ship chocks were loosened / stripped, the coveline stripe was >>scraped off, additionally a nice scratch in the hull. Additionally, >>the standing rigging was stressed to the point that a spreader >>cracked. The spreader had to be welded back together, all the >>standing rigging needed to be replaced, and all the running rigging >>was replaced. The rigging issue can to some extent be attributed to >>the age of the boat (1983) but on the same token I had it surveyed in >>2003 and replaced the forestay, Genoa/jib furling drum and swivel. >>(Lesson learned: Be sure the anchor is set to keep you off the dock!) >> >>All in all, a very stressful situation; however, we still have a >>sailboat! There were many, many that were complete write offs. Our >>biggest issue was getting work done as there was just so much work out >>there that those in the boat repair business were forced to go to a >>first come, first served basis. We had to coordinate between the yard >>where the boat was hauled, bottom painted, and waxed, the rigging >>company (Mack Sails in Stuart, who did a great job), and the hull >>repair people in addition to lining up the parts. We also wound up >>doing some minor motor work - replaced all of the hoses and tuned her >>up. We also replaced the transmission and acceleration cables as they >>were "sticking" periodically (found that the cable housing was worn >>away at an attachment point). There items that we wanted to do and >>the time was right. We also took the opportunity to pull the hatches >>to replace the grommets (not a fun experience). >> >>Other than pulling the boat out of the water and putting her on the >>"hard," I'm not sure that there was much more that we could have done. >>Sad to say though that some of the boats that were on the "hard" >>suffered more extensive damage than we took. In two nearby yards, >>boats were knocked off of their stands which created a domino effect - >>not a pretty site. The yards are re-evaluating their options as well. >>One yard up in Melbourne was 100% successful with their system. All >>of the boats on the hard survived as they also had tie down points >>(spider webbed) set into their concrete yard, similar to how aircraft >>are secured. Many yards are trying to duplicate this system. Other >>yards in Florida though are going out of business. The ownership has >>found that they can sell their yards to development companies anxious >>to build condos overlooking the water. This is a major concern of us >>boat owners. The state is attempting to come up with some Marine >>Industry incentives to keep these yards from selling out. The next >>couple of years, will indeed, be interesting. >> >>The biggest frustration was quite simply having to wait nearly seven >>months to get the boat re-commissioned so we could sail. {:>) >> >>At this point we are considering our options for the 2005 hurricane >>season. Right now leaving the boat in the same place seems the best >>bet as the local yards are not yet ready to do the "spider web" trick >>done up in Melbourne. (The Melbourne, yard by the way, is pretty small >>and only had m/v housed on their property.) We have a "qualified" >>monitor to keep an eye on the boat this season, so we will cross our >>fingers that the good Lord and Neptune will spare Stuart and the rest >>of Florida from the devastation of 2004. >> >>Bob on the "NoKaOi" >> >>PS: It was much easier to"drop the mast" on the R22, put her on her >>trailer, and tie her down in a safe area. {:>) >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:18 AM >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage >> >> >> >> >>>Bob, >>> >>>What happened to your boat in the hurricanes? Could you have done >>>anything differently to prevent the problem? Are you doing anything >>>differently now? Are there any general lessons to be learned? >>> >>>Bill Effros >>> >>>Robert Quinn wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Wally's suggestion has a lot of merit. We moved to a larger boat, a >>>>Tartan 37 keel/center boarder. While we truly love her, the >>>>simplicity of the R22 is missed. We "bareboated" in the Caribbean >>>>for ten years and did fall in love with the feel of the bigger boat >>>>with the ability to sail, swim, and snorkel ourselves to the point >>>>of exhaustion. However, US waters do not provide as friendly an >>>>atmosphere. The Keys are great when the weather cooperates; >>>>however, the Keys are a three day sail from our home port while the >>>>Caribbean is a two to three hour flight. >>>> >>>>We still have not made the Bahamas as last year's hurricanes >>>>necessitated repair work. We re-commissioned in late April but the >>>>weather has not been very favorable in our neck of the woods >>>>recently - three weeks of rainy thunderstorms. We did get a great >>>>sail from the St. Lucie inlet down to the Lake Worth Inlet for an >>>>overnighter three weeks ago. We then came back up and spent the >>>>night on Peck's Lake, a little cut in the intercoastal. It was fun >>>>as we sailed in the company of two other boats: a sister ship and an >>>>IP28. >>>> >>>>For simple day sailing though, the R22 is tops. Our plan is to move >>>>back to the R22 when we feel the T37 becomes too hard to handle. >>>> >>>>Bob on the "NoKaOi" >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" >>>> >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM >>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for >>>>>the next few years at least. >>>>> >>>>>Wally >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: "J Cook" >>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats >>>>>>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400 >>>>>> >>>>>>I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us >>>>>>seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get >>>>>>too excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and >>>>>>ease of maintenance and storage. >>>>>> >>>>>>She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts >>>>>>on some of the newer boats. >>>>>> >>>>>>I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal >>>>>>keel, and solidly constructed. >>>>>> >>>>>>She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could >>>>>>comfortably sleep another couple for a weekend and go to the >>>>>>islands for several months at a time. >>>>>> >>>>>>I would be just fine with keeping my R22. >>>>>> >>>>>>Any suggestions on compromise here? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Joseph >>>>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From hnw555 at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 16:25:25 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Mon Jun 13 15:25:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oops page In-Reply-To: <42adc0e1.0bffae18.521e.010d@mx.gmail.com> References: <42ADBC8E.2080001@effros.com> <42adc0e1.0bffae18.521e.010d@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: I read the story of the photos of the bad ejection in the A-6 on www.darwinawards.com. I've pasted it below. Hank A-6 Emergency: Two Views 1. Lieutenant Keith Gallagher Murphy's Law says, "Whatever can go wrong will go wrong, and when you least expect it." And we all know that Murphy was an aviator. Murphy was correct beyond his wildest dreams in my case. On my 26th birthday I was blindsided by a piece of bad luck the size of Texas that should have killed me. Luckily it was followed immediately by a whole slew of miracles that allowed me to be around for my 27th birthday. Not even Murphy could have conceived of such a curious accident, and the fact that I am here to write about it makes it that much more bizarre. We were the overhead tanker, one third of the way through cruise, making circles in the sky. Although the tanker pattern can be boring, midway through the cycle, we were alert and maintaining a good lookout doctrine because our air wing had a midair collision less than a week before, and we did not want to repeat. We felt we were ready for any emergency: fire, hydraulic failures, fuel transfer problems. Bring 'em on! We were ready. After all, how much trouble can two JO's get in overhead the ship? After my third fuel update call, we decided that the left outboard fuel valve was going to require a little help to open. NATOPS recommends applying positive and negative G to force the valve. As the pilot pulled the stick back I wondered how many times we would have to porpoise the nose of the plane before the valve opened. As he moved the stick forward, I felt the familiar sensation of negative "G", and then something strange happened? my head touched the canopy. For a brief moment I thought that I had failed to tighten my lap belts, but I knew that wasn't true. Before I could complete that thought, there was a loud bang, followed by wind, noise, disorientation and more wind, wind, wind. Confusion reigned in my mind as I was forced back against my seat, head against the headrest, arms out behind me, the wind roaring in my head, pounding against my body. "Did the canopy blow off? Did I eject? Did my windscreen implode?" All of these questions occurred to me amidst the pandemonium in my mind and body. These questions were quickly answered as I looked down and saw a sight that I will never forget: the top of the canopy, close enough to touch, and through the canopy I could see the top of my pilot's helmet. It took a few moments for this image to sink into my suddenly overloaded brain. This was worse than I ever could have imagined -- I was sitting right on top of a flying A-6! Pain, confusion, panic, fear and denial surged through my brain as a new development manifested itself: I couldn't breathe. My helmet and mask had been ripped off my head, and without them, the full force of the wind was hitting me square in the face. It was like trying to drink through a fire hose. I couldn't seem to get a breath of air amidst the wind. My arms dragged behind me until I managed to pull both of them into my chest and hold them there. I tried to think for a second as I continued trying to breathe. For some reason it never occurred to me that my pilot would be trying to land. I finally decided that the only thing that I could do to survive was eject myself. What else could I do? I grabbed the lower handle with both hands and pulled -- it wouldn't budge. With panic-induced strength I tried again, but to no avail. The handle was not budging. I attempted to reach the upper eject handle but the wind prevented me from getting a hand on it. As a matter of fact, all that I could do was hold my arms into my chest. If either slid out into the wind stream, it immediately flailed out uncontrolled behind me, and that was definitely not good. The wind had become physically and emotionally overwhelming. It pounded against my face and body like a huge wall of water that wouldn't stop. The roaring in my ears confused me, the pressure in my mouth prevented me from breathing, and the pounding on my eyes kept me from seeing. Time had lost all meaning. For all I knew, I could have been sitting there for seconds or for hours suffocating in the wind. I wish I could say that my last thoughts were of my wife, but as I felt myself blacking out, all I thought was, "I don't want to die." Suddenly someone turned on the lights and I had a funny view of the front end of an A-6, with jagged plexiglas where my half of the canopy was supposed to be. Looking down from the top of the jet, I was surprised to find the plane safe on the flight deck with 100 people looking up at me. I had expected to see the pearly gates and some dead relatives. My first thought was that we had never taken off -- that something had happened before the catapult. Then everything came flooding back into my brain: the wind, the noise, the confusion. As my pilot spoke and medical personnel swarmed over me, I realized that I had survived. It didn't take long to realize that I was a lucky man to be alive. As I heard more details, I found out how fortunate I was. My parachute became entangled in the horizontal stabilizer tight enough to act as a shoulder harness, but not tight enough to bind the flight controls. If this had not happened, I would have been thrown into the jagged plexiglas, as my shoulder harness had been disconnected from the seat when the parachute deployed. There are many other things that happened (or didn't happen) that allowed me to survive this mishap a hair's breadth from disaster. And a level-headed pilot who reacted quickly and correctly is the reason that I am alive and flying today, along with a generous helping of good old-fashioned Irish luck. 2. Lieutenant Mark Baden, Pilot As we finished the briefing, my bombardier navigator Keith Gallagher told me that it was his birthday and that our recovery would be his 100th trap on the boat. To top it off, we were assigned the plane with my name on the side. As we taxied out of the chocks, I was feeling a little uneasy about all the recent mishaps. To make myself feel better, I went through the "soft shot/engine failure on takeoff" emergency procedures, touching each switch or lever as I went through the steps. "At least if something happens right off the bat, I'll be ready." The first few minutes of the hop were busy. Concentrating on the package-check and consolidation and trying to keep track of my customers dispelled my uneasiness. As we approached mid-cycle, the most boring time in a tanker hop, we kept ourselves occupied with fuel checks. We kept a close eye on one drop tank that had stopped with 1000 pounds of fuel still inside. I tried going to override on the tank pressurization, but that didn't work. Keith and I discussed the problem. We decided it was probably a stuck float valve. Perhaps some positive and negative G force would fix it. We were at 8000 feet, seven miles abeam the ship, heading aft. I clicked the altitude hold off and added some power to give us more G. At 230 knots I pulled the stick back and nosed the plane up five degrees. Then I pushed the stick forward and got about half a negative G -- just enough to float me in the seat. I heard a sharp bang and felt the cockpit depressurize. The roar of the wind followed. I ducked instinctively and looked up at the canopy. Something was wrong. Instead of seeing a two or three inch gap, the canopy bow was flush with the windscreen. My eyes tracked down to the canopy switch. It was up. As my scan continued to the right, I failed to meet Keith's questioning glance. Instead I saw a pair of legs at eye-level. The right side of the canopy was shattered. I followed the legs up and saw the rest of my bomaardier navigator's body out in the windblast. I watched as his head snapped down and up. His helmet and oxygen mask disappeared. They didn't fly off; they just disappeared. My mind went into ovedrive. "What the hell happened? I hope he ejects. What am I going to do now? I need to slow down." I jerked the throttles to idle and eased speed brakes out. In one motion I reached up, de-isolated, and threw the flap lever to the down position. I reached over and twisted the IFF selector switch to EMER. I screamed, "Slow down!" to myself as I focused on the airspeed indicator and gave another pull back on the throttles and speed brakes. The airspeed was over 200 knots. I felt a combination of helplessness and revulsion as I watched my bombardier's body slam around in the windblast. After his helmet flew off, his face looked like someone sucked out into zero atmosphere in a graphic movie. His eyes were blasted open, his cheeks and lips were puffed out to an impossible size and the tendons in his neck looked like they were about to bust. At 200 knots I saw hiim pull his arms in front of his face and claw behind his head. For a moment, I thought he was going to manage to pull the handle and get clear. I was mentally cheering for him. But his arms were yanked down by the blast and I cursed as I turned my radio selector to Radio 1. "Mayday. Mayday, this is 515. My BN has partially ejected. I need an emergency pull-forward!" The reply was immediate. "Roger! Switch button six." I slapped the gear handle down and turned all my dumps on in an effort slow down. Max trap never crossed my mind. The Boss came back in his calm voice and said, "Bring it on in." He and asked if the bombardier navigator was still with the aircraft. I caused a few cases of nausea when I answered, "Only his legs are still inside the cockpit." It made sense to me, but more than a few listening people had visions of two legs and lots of blood but no body. Fortunately the Boss understood what I meant. The front windscreen started to fog up four miles behind the boat. I cranked the defog and was getting ready to unstrap my shoulder harness to wipe off the glass when it finally started clearing. The boat made a hard left turn and I made some disparaging remarks about the guys on the bridge as I rolled right to chase centerline. I touched down short of the 1-wire and sucked the throttles to idle. The canopy shards in front of Keith's chest looked like a collection of butcher's knives. As soon as I was free of my seat, I checked Keith and held his left arm and hand as we waited for the medical people to arrive. I realized he still was alive when he said, "Am I on the flight deck?" A wave of indescribable relief washed over me. Later, I found that ignorance can be bliss. I didn't know two things while flying. First, his parachute had deployed and wrapped itself around the tail section of the plane. Second, the timing release mechanism had fired and released the BN from the seat. The only things keeping him in the plane were the parachute risers holding him against the back of the seat. On 6/13/05, Mark Kaynor wrote: > > Brad (and other pilots), > > I was stumbling around the web this afternoon, ran across this site, and > thought of you - there are some pretty "interesting" aviation-related photos > here: > > http://www.micom.net/oops/ > > For instance: > http://zeeb.at/oops/F8overshoot1.jpg > > Mark > From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 13 17:12:43 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Mon Jun 13 16:12:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dry Tortuga Adventure References: <000001c57046$5cc0ad80$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <001d01c57054$422e9500$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Ed: Many thanks. Terry and Rhonda did wonderful. We have gotten caught out in a couple of good thunderbumpers and it is a definite "white knuckle" experience. However, you have to deal with it and they did it with sound (except for the slip of not wearing a harness and floatation device the first time out) judgment. We got caught out in the Atlantic in the R22 "NoKaOi" for a hair raising experience a couple of years ago. The boat handled the weather, waves, and rain with no problem. We furled the Genoa and reduced the main somewhat and ran with the wind for about a half hour before the storm finally let us free. We tried to motor away at one point but the ride was so uncomfortable, I killed the engine and went with the sail. When we departed Punta Gorda in April of 2004 headed for the Keys it was our plan to go via the Dry Tortugas; however, the weather just would not permit a safe passage. We did the trip to the Keys via "day sails:" Punta Gorda to Cayo Costa, Cayo Costa to Naples, Naples to Marco Island, Marco Island to Shark River, Shark River to Marathon, Marathon to Key West via the Hawk Channel. We wound up getting "winded in" at the mouth of the Shark River for four nights. When we finally arrived in Key West we met up with some folks on a Valiant 40 who "got hammered" in the Tortugas while we were penned in on the Shark River. They drug anchor down on another boat. They got their engine going to motor forward but the fellow whose anchor rode they had drug on was right at their stern. They had to watch the stern of their boat get "eaten" by the other fellows anchor roller. Their stern was not a pretty sight. The eventually managed to motor forward and re-set their anchor - they actually dropped three. The other boat sustained only minor damage and the people were very helpful even though they were the victims. We still want to head to the Tortugas but will only do so when the weather settles down. Last year and this year has not been especially great for "gentleman" sailing. Even when we left Key West for Stuart we pounded our way up to Marathon with 20 to 25 right on the nose with 5 plus waves in the Hawk Channel, which is somewhat protected by the reefs. We spent the night in Marathon and then cut through the seven mile bridge into Florida Bay for the trip to Cape Florida. The Bay was rough but nothing like the Atlantic side. By the time we got to Biscayne Bay (a night off Matacumbe and a night off Pumpkin Key) the weather turned very favorable. Our sail across Biscayne Bay was one of the finest sailing experiences we have ever had. A Perfect 10! If anyone comes this way with their R22, Biscayne Bay should be a mandatory endeavor. We had a great sail three weeks ago to Lake Worth and back but it has rained every day since we're back. Today may be the first good day but our home is torn apart with a new kitchen going in and we are still waiting for the contractor to finish the roof which was damaged in the hurricanes last year. As they finished pulling all the shingles a major storm front moved through and thoroughly doused our home causing some serious water damage, which will have to be repaired.. Meanwhile our boat is perfectly dry inside and waiting our next sailing adventure. And no, we are not on the sailnet Florida west coast list. But when we head that way again, I'll give it a look. Will also ask for the pictures. Thanks Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forwarded for Bill E and Bob Q Bob, Do you watch the west Florida list on sailnet? Bill Effros has been wanting to go to the Florida Keys for years now. This recently came up on the West Florida list about his trip to the lower keys including the Tortugas. I can see Bill with his harness hanging on to his tiller.. Ed K Also he has some pictures if you email him direct. From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 13 17:55:07 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Mon Jun 13 16:55:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage References: <001f01c56f5d$3afeb5a0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <42ADA3C9.7090007@effros.com><000601c57035$65f0baa0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <42ADBC8E.2080001@effros.com> Message-ID: <000c01c5705a$2e4357a0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Bill: The anchor set out on the port side of the boat was a 35# Delta (mud bottom and it was the easiest anchor for my friends to access). It appears to have done the job with no problem. One of my friends came by with his power boat and dropped the anchor in the middle of the canal while the other friend set it by hand and winch. He is a big fellow by the way. The Stuart anchorage uses mushroom anchors but I believe they failed to do any maintenance on them as many of the boats broke free, some admittedly because of the poor lines and chaff protection of the boat owners. Another friend had his IP38 on the mooring field - he was ordered off his dock slip. His boat held but suffered a great deal of damage by the boats that broke free. I didn't see it but he tells me his stern rails were cut as though someone had taken a sharp knife and just cut through them. He presumes that it was a pretty good size vessel that came down on him. Last time I spoke to him he and his insurance company were still going round and round. If your field is inspected regularly, I could not agree more with you that it is about the best place you can be. Some folks here snuggled up in some canals anchoring and tying off to mangroves. They also did well. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage > Thanks for taking the time, Bob. Each of us will face a problem like this > sometime, we just don't know when. > > From your description, it sounds like the best protection you got was from > your anchor. What type of anchor were you using? How do you set it while > your boat is in the slip? Or do you set it first? > > I am on a mooring with a 300 Lb. mushroom anchor. My boat has ridden out > several storms, and some hurricanes--but not like yours. All the boats in > my cove (there are 100s of them, widely spaced) are on properly sized > mushroom anchors and there is very little boat to boat damage during > storms. My inclination is that my boat is safer on the water than it is > on the land. > > Up here, people have special mushroom anchor setting boats. The anchors > are pulled periodically and all of the tackle inspected and replaced as > necessary. The anchors set solidly in the mucky bottom, and, for the most > part, stay where they are set. I have never set additional anchors in the > face of approaching storms, in keeping with my "ain't broke-don't fix" > philosophy. > > Bill Effros > From flybrad at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 14:55:58 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Mon Jun 13 16:56:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oops page In-Reply-To: <42adc0e1.0bffae18.521e.010d@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050613205559.76810.qmail@web32902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark, I get paid to think, piloting is my hobby. The flying is for free. The job requires very little thinking. When the situation requires my experience and training to solve the situation, I charge for it. The current price is $20,000 per event. Given the cost of the airplane, the revenue lost per flight, I'm cheap. No occupation is more harsh on itself than piloting. I take perverse pleasure in working in an industry that eliminates the weak ones early. Brad --- Mark Kaynor wrote: > > Brad (and other pilots), > > I was stumbling around the web this afternoon, ran > across this site, and > thought of you - there are some pretty "interesting" > aviation-related photos > here: > > http://www.micom.net/oops/ > > For instance: > http://zeeb.at/oops/F8overshoot1.jpg > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Bill Effros > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:04 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage > > Thanks for taking the time, Bob. Each of us will > face a problem like this > sometime, we just don't know when. > > From your description, it sounds like the best > protection you got was from > your anchor. What type of anchor were you using? > How do you set it while > your boat is in the slip? Or do you set it first? > > I am on a mooring with a 300 Lb. mushroom anchor. > My boat has ridden out > several storms, and some hurricanes--but not like > yours. All the boats in > my cove (there are 100s of them, widely spaced) are > on properly sized > mushroom anchors and there is very little boat to > boat damage during storms. > My inclination is that my boat is safer on the water > than it is on the land. > > Up here, people have special mushroom anchor setting > boats. The anchors are > pulled periodically and all of the tackle inspected > and replaced as > necessary. The anchors set solidly in the mucky > bottom, and, for the most > part, stay where they are set. I have never set > additional anchors in the > face of approaching storms, in keeping with my > "ain't broke-don't fix" > philosophy. > > Bill Effros > > Robert Quinn wrote: > > > Bill: As always there are lessons learned. Kathy > and I were out of > > the area when the storms hit but we had done quite > a bit before we > > departed the area in June, several months before > the storms. We have > > the boat nestled away in a canal not too far from > our home behind a > > friend's home who rents the dock to us. We had > stripped the sails, > > bimini, stored the dinghy and dinghy motor in our > garage, placed chaff > > guards, made sure that there was nothing lose > around (other than the > > hatch covers). We had made arrangements with > friends to double the > > lines if anything came up. (We will do that > ourselves this year before > > we leave for points north in July. The doubled > lines should be > > attached to the pilings, not the dock or dock > cleats as we pulled one > > out). Our friends also placed an anchor off the > dock to keep the boat > > from "crashing" into the dock and dock pilings. > This worked extremely > > well for the first storm (Francis). The anchor > was picked up and > > moved back to the side of the boat after the storm > passed through. > > Everything great thus far. For Jeannine however, > one of our friends > > was not in the area. The second fellow saw the > line dangling over the > > side of the boat and assumed that the anchor was > set. It was not, so > > for Jeannine we "kissed" one of the dock pilings > causing the rub rail > > to "shave" a couple of inches off of the piling. > The rub rail - > > stainless steel, bent but on the positive site the > hull was not > > compromised. In the process we lost a stanchion > base (cracked/broke), > > the mid-ship chocks were loosened / stripped, the > coveline stripe was > > scraped off, additionally a nice scratch in the > hull. Additionally, > > the standing rigging was stressed to the point > that a spreader > > cracked. The spreader had to be welded back > together, all the > > standing rigging needed to be replaced, and all > the running rigging > > was replaced. The rigging issue can to some extent > be attributed to > > the age of the boat (1983) but on the same token I > had it surveyed in > > 2003 and replaced the forestay, Genoa/jib furling > drum and swivel. > > (Lesson learned: Be sure the anchor is set to > keep you off the dock!) > > > > All in all, a very stressful situation; however, > we still have a > > sailboat! There were many, many that were complete > write offs. Our > > biggest issue was getting work done as there was > just so much work out > > there that those in the boat repair business were > forced to go to a > > first come, first served basis. We had to > coordinate between the yard > > where the boat was hauled, bottom painted, and > waxed, the rigging > > company (Mack Sails in Stuart, who did a great > job), and the hull > > repair people in addition to lining up the parts. > We also wound up > > doing some minor motor work - replaced all of the > hoses and tuned her > > up. We also replaced the transmission and > acceleration cables as they > > were "sticking" periodically (found that the cable > housing was worn > > away at an attachment point). There items that we > wanted to do and > > the time was right. We also took the opportunity > to pull the hatches > > to replace the grommets (not a fun experience). > > > > Other than pulling the boat out of the water and > putting her on the > > "hard," I'm not sure that there was much more that > we could have done. > > Sad to say though that some of the boats that were > on the "hard" > > suffered more extensive damage than we took. In > two nearby yards, > > boats were knocked off of their stands which > created a domino effect - > > not a pretty site. The yards are re-evaluating > their options as well. > > One yard up in Melbourne was 100% successful with > their system. All > > of the boats on the hard survived as they also had > tie down points > > (spider webbed) set into their concrete yard, > similar to how aircraft > > are secured. Many yards are trying to duplicate > this system. Other > > yards in Florida though are going out of business. > The ownership has > > found that they can sell their yards to > development companies anxious > > to build condos overlooking the water. This is a > major concern of us > > boat owners. The state is attempting to come up > with some Marine > > Industry incentives to keep these yards from > selling out. The next > > couple of years, will indeed, be interesting. > > > > The biggest frustration was quite simply having to > wait nearly seven > > months to get the boat re-commissioned so we could > sail. {:>) > > > > At this point we are considering our options for > the 2005 hurricane > > season. Right now leaving the boat in the same > place seems the best > > bet as the local yards are not yet ready to do the > "spider web" trick > > done up in Melbourne. (The Melbourne, yard by the > way, is pretty small > > and only had m/v housed on their property.) We > have a "qualified" > > monitor to keep an eye on the boat this season, so > we will cross our > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 13 18:19:46 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Mon Jun 13 17:19:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage References: <001f01c56f5d$3afeb5a0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem><42ADA3C9.7090007@effros.com><000601c57035$65f0baa0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <001301c5705d$a013aa80$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Joseph: I'm sure there were anchors off the sterns of some boats as there were still some visible lines off of sterns and bows when we got home. I don't know about any tangling as most folks were moving very slowly and cautiously. You have probably head that there is a move in Florida to order all vessels out of marinas when a hurricane watch is issued. Sounds good I guess to the politicians but I wonder if they have any idea what they are asking? Can you just see all of those boats anchoring all over the place? I believe that would cause more damage than what was experienced. Better marina design and closer monitoring of how vessels are tied up would solve a lot of problems. I was down at the marina where I kept the R22 yesterday as they had offered me a slip for the T37. I went to check it out. I could not believe what I saw: very large boats improperly tied off with undersized lines. (Note: There were some that were properly tied but they were the minority.) Dock Masters are in short supply and probably underpaid. I am going to keep our boat where it is even if it is a bit more inconvenient. There was an item in the news today as local governments wrestle with the problem of sunk and abandoned boats: a couple of hundred in our area alone. The bill is causing a lot of backlash for boat owners. The company that hauls them has to hold them for a time period to allow the owners ample time to claim their vessel. Of course no one is expected to come forward as they will receive a bill for the salvage cost. The slip proposed to me is at a marina that suffered considerable damage to the outside slips and boats when a seventy odd foot behemoth broke loose from a marina to the south and took out three marina and dozens of boats as she was pushed around by the storm. The irony, the fellow who owned the boat came along and started it and motored off after the storm. Officials have since caught up with him but I don't know whether he will be held liable or not. Hope he had good insurance. This boat should not have been at the marina where it was berthed as it was way out of proportion to anything in the area and the dock facility was not designed for a vessel of this size. The Ft. Pierce City Marina took considerable damage but according to the stories circulating the cause was that the floating docks wend up and over the pilings with the surge. The pilings were too short. I am certainly no expert on the subject of marina design but I have watched these waters for 16 years and "almost" every marina is designed for fair weather. There are a couple of exceptions but their berthing cost would eliminate a goodly percentage of us. I would like to sail off to the British and US Virgins to get away from this but it is hurricane season there too! {:>) Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage Bob, I like the idea of anchor off the stern to keep the boat from the dock. I wonder if people in wet slips at a marine did that and if so, I wonder if there were problems with getting caught in each others rode. Some marinas up in St Augustine suffered a lot of damage, even with the sustained winds less than 80 mph. Concrete floating docks crashing, etc. Joseph From dbarrera at comcast.net Mon Jun 13 21:48:12 2005 From: dbarrera at comcast.net (dbarrera) Date: Mon Jun 13 21:48:22 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chicago References: <000001c57023$143b3d00$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <006b01c57083$265af8d0$100aad43@hewlett63wy6j1> Ed We were sailing in the afternoon which is why we were late getting to the fest. Good sail! The boat sails well and structurally, is very sound. We have had the usual mishaps (coolent leak 'cause the guys who winterized for us forget to tighten the drain nut, minor leaks), that kind of thing. Haven't had any problem with the keel or stays as such. Michael gave a big "heads up" about the forestay. We have the crusing spinnaker but haven't tried it yet. All systems are working as expected. Georgia Bay? Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "Glen & Dorene Barrera" ; "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Chicago Glen, What peddling and not sailing that 'big' boat? Would your boat make it up to Georgia Bay? Can we get to go give your general sailing performance report? Have you had any problems with the keel system or a stay situation like Michael's? Does that marine head and shower perform as Dorene expected? Any comments of boat construction after one year? Michael mentioned that he had a cruising spinnaker. What sails do you have? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA R22 -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of dbarrera Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:18 PM To: Ronald Lipton; The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chicago Ron, Dorene and I saw your boat last night shifting in the wind over at Monroe Harbor whle heading toward the blues festival on our bikes from Burnham. We got there later than intended and saw Buddy Guy only sporadically through a throng of bodies. 15 minutes waiting for a Billy Goat Tavern double cheeesburger, cheesburger, chips...no fries. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Lipton" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > Ed, > > I guess he removed himself in any case... I am a Chicagoan, Cubs and > Bears fan. I know nothing of Georga Bay. Blues > festival this weekend - about 200 yards from my mooring. > > Ron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ed kroposki" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:58 AM > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe > > >> Ron, >> That being true, there is the problem of newbie's, lurkers, those >> who are not computer savvy, and just to total volume of trash generated. >> He was using language inappropriate for a sailing forum and worse he >> was making outright personal attacks. >> Politics is one thing but he was way beyond that. >> We are waiting for your report on sailing your boat to Georgia Bay. >> >> Ed K >> Greenville, SC, USA >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Lipton >> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:51 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe >> >> I would like to remind folks that all e-mail clients have a >> spam blocker that allows you to turn off specific addresses. >> I have not received any of Steve's posts for a year. >> >> Ron >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ed kroposki" >> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:15 AM >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe >> >> >>> Steve, >>> Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and unnecessary. I >>> appreciate that you think you are a long timer with special status, but >> you >>> are abusing the list. >>> >>> Ed K >>> Greenville, SC, USA >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve >>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day >>> >>> Robert >>> Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly >>> Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. >>> >>> Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I >>> said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on >>> this list; your unwillingness to even try and >>> understand how the world work only show your lack of >>> brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help >>> themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go >>> to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. >>> Liberal central for you liberals & what is this >>> country doing; we are going after them. It is always >>> better to fight a war on some other Country soil as >>> compared to fighting it on this country soil. >>> >>> You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you >>> caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to >>> be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you >>> protested that war. This country had the capitality >>> to free those people & because of people like you; a >>> lot of vietamise people continue to have to live >>> without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some >>> elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT >>> JUST YOU. >>> >>> As for liberals like you who think the one thing that >>> government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE >>> checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits >>> on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a >>> worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not >>> a productive citizen, they are not helping this >>> country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be >>> proud of. >>> >>> Anybody that support allowing people to remain on >>> Welfare without a direct course of action to get off >>> Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you >>> are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy >>> life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass >>> and go to work and earn your own living. >>> >>> I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can >>> absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - >>> free of charge. I know that you probably expect a >>> Welfare check to come with this information but at >>> least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say >>> below; I could not resist the >>> invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try >>> and help my fellow man!!! >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Robert Skinner wrote: >>> >>> > Rik Sandberg wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. >>> > >>> > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. >>> > I couldn't resist such an invitation... >>> > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. >>> > >>> > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get >>> > out of the way." >>> > >>> > As you correctly point out, there is too >>> > much empty talk about dying for our country >>> > from those with no flesh on the front lines. >>> > >>> > Apologies to those who may be offended by >>> > such a direct response. >>> > >>> > All honor to those who are in harm's way. >>> > >>> > /Robert Skinner >>> > __________________________________________________ >>> > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >>> > www.rhodes22.org/list >>> > >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From julie at circle7.net Mon Jun 13 22:51:27 2005 From: julie at circle7.net (Julie Thorndycraft) Date: Mon Jun 13 22:51:56 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Yamaha 9.9 Question References: <000001c57023$143b3d00$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> <006b01c57083$265af8d0$100aad43@hewlett63wy6j1> Message-ID: <002d01c5708b$f5d48d80$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> The story: The prop on our Yamaha T9.9 (ELHB) acquired a ding last summer - I won't bore you with the details. Last fall when we had the motor winterized, we left the prop with the service department to 'fix'. Since most of us in the north country don't need a prop until spring, it spent the winter in the service department. We forgot about it and they didn't seem to have a phone number to contact us to pick it up - or maybe they were hibernating... Now: Dan picked the prop up this morning and I swear when I look at it, they gave us the wrong prop. It's pure white (which I don't recall) and it seems small from my recollection. Unfortunately, of all the pictures we have taken of the boat to document the rigging process, we don't have a single photo that includes the entire motor. We purchased the Yamaha through Stan when we bought our recycled boat. It is the extra long shaft, remote control version. Does anyone have any specifications on what the prop size might be? Would Yamaha record what prop was sold with each motor? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Julie s/v Blue Loon From flybrad at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 21:02:50 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Mon Jun 13 23:02:56 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oops page In-Reply-To: <42adc0e1.0bffae18.521e.010d@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050614030250.70414.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark, Thanks for the photos. I was busy when I got in this afternoon and just now had time to go through the whole file. Lots of interesting stuff - I'll pass them around. I was suprised at the number that I had some first hand knowledge about. The fellow who helped me get my boat out of the mud a few weeks ago was president of our union when our MD-11 flipped upside down in EWR (one of the photos). The airport authority was in such a hurry to move the debris off the runway to re-open the airport that the wing root was hauled off to the dump and never recovered. Another of the photos was of a Mandarin MD-11 that crashed one day before the NTSB report came out on ours. There is still some controversy on the final report. Somedays a hero, somedays a goat. The joke that was going around about our DC10 (file photo) that ended up on its ass in LAX was that the Captain dropped his wallet out the window. I was in Frankfurt, Germany a few days later and got into a pissing contest with one of our people about not tethering the nosewheel during the loading process. That is exactly what happened with our 10 and also the Korean MD11 that was also in the file. (Korean Air is affectionately known in the industry as the "Gooks of Hazzard" even though about half their pilots are Americans). The "Saab in the Ditch" happened here in Memphis. I taxied by it about an hour after it happened. Some kid on the night shift didn't set the brakes or chock the aircraft. That drainage ditch separates the Airlink facility from our primary maintenance hanger. It is really, really deep. The C141 with the broken wing happened here in Memphis as well. It had been in maintenance and for whatever reason, some baffles between wing tanks were closed. All the fuel went in the outboard tanks until the wing broke off. It sat on the ramp like that for over a month. The Guard guys I work with took a lot of grief over that one. One of my favorites wasn't in the file. We put an MD11 in the Pacific a few years back at Subic Bay. I had an unpleasant encounter with the FO a few years earlier. A couple of years ago Fan and I bought a new piano for Christmas and it came with two free tunings. When I called for the first tuning they ran a name by me. "That name sounds familiar, did she used to fly for X?" It was she. "No thanks, who else do you have." The joke in the profession is that we have the toughest pilots around. You can't stab us (94 hijacking), you can't burn us (95 fire), you can't crush us (EWR), you can't drown us (Subic). Which reminds me, I have training Thursday and Friday and have to relive all this crap. Brad --- Mark Kaynor wrote: > > Brad (and other pilots), > > I was stumbling around the web this afternoon, ran > across this site, and > thought of you - there are some pretty "interesting" > aviation-related photos > here: > > http://www.micom.net/oops/ > > For instance: > http://zeeb.at/oops/F8overshoot1.jpg > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Bill Effros > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:04 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage > > Thanks for taking the time, Bob. Each of us will > face a problem like this > sometime, we just don't know when. > > From your description, it sounds like the best > protection you got was from > your anchor. What type of anchor were you using? > How do you set it while > your boat is in the slip? Or do you set it first? > > I am on a mooring with a 300 Lb. mushroom anchor. > My boat has ridden out > several storms, and some hurricanes--but not like > yours. All the boats in > my cove (there are 100s of them, widely spaced) are > on properly sized > mushroom anchors and there is very little boat to > boat damage during storms. > My inclination is that my boat is safer on the water > than it is on the land. > > Up here, people have special mushroom anchor setting > boats. The anchors are > pulled periodically and all of the tackle inspected > and replaced as > necessary. The anchors set solidly in the mucky > bottom, and, for the most > part, stay where they are set. I have never set > additional anchors in the > face of approaching storms, in keeping with my > "ain't broke-don't fix" > philosophy. > > Bill Effros > > Robert Quinn wrote: > > > Bill: As always there are lessons learned. Kathy > and I were out of > > the area when the storms hit but we had done quite > a bit before we > > departed the area in June, several months before > the storms. We have > > the boat nestled away in a canal not too far from > our home behind a > > friend's home who rents the dock to us. We had > stripped the sails, > > bimini, stored the dinghy and dinghy motor in our > garage, placed chaff > > guards, made sure that there was nothing lose > around (other than the > > hatch covers). We had made arrangements with > friends to double the > > lines if anything came up. (We will do that > ourselves this year before > > we leave for points north in July. The doubled > lines should be > > attached to the pilings, not the dock or dock > cleats as we pulled one > > out). Our friends also placed an anchor off the > dock to keep the boat > > from "crashing" into the dock and dock pilings. > This worked extremely > > well for the first storm (Francis). The anchor > was picked up and > > moved back to the side of the boat after the storm > passed through. > > Everything great thus far. For Jeannine however, > one of our friends > > was not in the area. The second fellow saw the > line dangling over the > > side of the boat and assumed that the anchor was > set. It was not, so > > for Jeannine we "kissed" one of the dock pilings > causing the rub rail > > to "shave" a couple of inches off of the piling. > The rub rail - > > stainless steel, bent but on the positive site the > hull was not > > compromised. In the process we lost a stanchion > base (cracked/broke), > > the mid-ship chocks were loosened / stripped, the > coveline stripe was > > scraped off, additionally a nice scratch in the > hull. Additionally, > > the standing rigging was stressed to the point > that a spreader > > cracked. The spreader had to be welded back > together, all the > > standing rigging needed to be replaced, and all > the running rigging > > was replaced. The rigging issue can to some extent > be attributed to > > the age of the boat (1983) but on the same token I > had it surveyed in > > 2003 and replaced the forestay, Genoa/jib furling > drum and swivel. > > (Lesson learned: Be sure the anchor is set to > keep you off the dock!) > > > > All in all, a very stressful situation; however, > we still have a > > sailboat! There were many, many that were complete > write offs. Our > > biggest issue was getting work done as there was > just so much work out > > there that those in the boat repair business were > forced to go to a > > first come, first served basis. We had to > coordinate between the yard > > where the boat was hauled, bottom painted, and > waxed, the rigging > > company (Mack Sails in Stuart, who did a great > job), and the hull > > repair people in addition to lining up the parts. > We also wound up > > doing some minor motor work - replaced all of the > hoses and tuned her > > up. We also replaced the transmission and > acceleration cables as they > > were "sticking" periodically (found that the cable > housing was worn > > away at an attachment point). There items that we > wanted to do and > > the time was right. We also took the opportunity > to pull the hatches > > to replace the grommets (not a fun experience). > > > > Other than pulling the boat out of the water and > putting her on the > > "hard," I'm not sure that there was much more that > we could have done. > > Sad to say though that some of the boats that were > on the "hard" > > suffered more extensive damage than we took. In > two nearby yards, > > boats were knocked off of their stands which > created a domino effect - > > not a pretty site. The yards are re-evaluating > their options as well. > > One yard up in Melbourne was 100% successful with > their system. All > > of the boats on the hard survived as they also had > tie down points > > (spider webbed) set into their concrete yard, > similar to how aircraft > > are secured. Many yards are trying to duplicate > this system. Other > > yards in Florida though are going out of business. > The ownership has > > found that they can sell their yards to > development companies anxious > > to build condos overlooking the water. This is a > major concern of us > > boat owners. The state is attempting to come up > with some Marine > > Industry incentives to keep these yards from > selling out. The next > > couple of years, will indeed, be interesting. > > > > The biggest frustration was quite simply having to > wait nearly seven > > months to get the boat re-commissioned so we could > sail. {:>) > > > > At this point we are considering our options for > the 2005 hurricane > > season. Right now leaving the boat in the same > place seems the best > > bet as the local yards are not yet ready to do the > "spider web" trick > > done up in Melbourne. (The Melbourne, yard by the > way, is pretty small > > and only had m/v housed on their property.) We > have a "qualified" > > monitor to keep an eye on the boat this season, so > we will cross our > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Tue Jun 14 00:16:49 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Mon Jun 13 23:25:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Yamaha 9.9 Question In-Reply-To: <002d01c5708b$f5d48d80$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> References: <000001c57023$143b3d00$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> <006b01c57083$265af8d0$100aad43@hewlett63wy6j1> <002d01c5708b$f5d48d80$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> Message-ID: <42AE4C21.9050403@michaelmeltzer.com> http://www.yamaha-motor.com/outboard/accessories/acscitemdetail/5/251/1114/8467/all/1/4047/0/detail.aspx Julie Thorndycraft wrote: > The story: The prop on our Yamaha T9.9 (ELHB) acquired a ding last > summer - I won't bore you with the details. Last fall when we had the > motor winterized, we left the prop with the service department to > 'fix'. Since most of us in the north country don't need a prop until > spring, it spent the winter in the service department. We forgot about > it and they didn't seem to have a phone number to contact us to pick > it up - or maybe they were hibernating... > > Now: Dan picked the prop up this morning and I swear when I look at > it, they gave us the wrong prop. It's pure white (which I don't > recall) and it seems small from my recollection. Unfortunately, of all > the pictures we have taken of the boat to document the rigging > process, we don't have a single photo that includes the entire motor. > > We purchased the Yamaha through Stan when we bought our recycled boat. > It is the extra long shaft, remote control version. Does anyone have > any specifications on what the prop size might be? Would Yamaha record > what prop was sold with each motor? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. > > Julie > s/v Blue Loon > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From dkeyes at houston.rr.com Mon Jun 13 23:29:29 2005 From: dkeyes at houston.rr.com (David R. Keyes) Date: Mon Jun 13 23:29:46 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Yamaha 9.9 Question References: <000001c57023$143b3d00$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> <006b01c57083$265af8d0$100aad43@hewlett63wy6j1> <002d01c5708b$f5d48d80$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> Message-ID: <000c01c57091$4ca72b40$6601a8c0@velaw.com> Julie, I have the same motor and shaft as you do. The prop is white. I will not be back to Austin, where my boat is, until this weekend. If you need me then to measure my prop or see if I have any details in the Yamaha literature that came with the motor, let me know. David Keyes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Thorndycraft" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:51 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Yamaha 9.9 Question > The story: The prop on our Yamaha T9.9 (ELHB) acquired a ding last summer - > I won't bore you with the details. Last fall when we had the motor > winterized, we left the prop with the service department to 'fix'. Since > most of us in the north country don't need a prop until spring, it spent the > winter in the service department. We forgot about it and they didn't seem to > have a phone number to contact us to pick it up - or maybe they were > hibernating... > > Now: Dan picked the prop up this morning and I swear when I look at it, they > gave us the wrong prop. It's pure white (which I don't recall) and it seems > small from my recollection. Unfortunately, of all the pictures we have taken > of the boat to document the rigging process, we don't have a single photo > that includes the entire motor. > > We purchased the Yamaha through Stan when we bought our recycled boat. It is > the extra long shaft, remote control version. Does anyone have any > specifications on what the prop size might be? Would Yamaha record what prop > was sold with each motor? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Julie > s/v Blue Loon > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From cheryl.ogrady at mail.com Mon Jun 13 23:41:42 2005 From: cheryl.ogrady at mail.com (Cheryl O'Grady) Date: Tue Jun 14 00:41:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outer Banks Adventure -- Day 5 of 5 -- The final installment Message-ID: <20050614044142.CADA82000D@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> wow, Bill, what a trip. It made really exciting reading. We are hoping to make such a trip one of these days ourselves.... Cheryl From cheryl.ogrady at mail.com Tue Jun 14 00:19:04 2005 From: cheryl.ogrady at mail.com (Cheryl O'Grady) Date: Tue Jun 14 01:19:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is list etiquette? Ignore That! Message-ID: <20050614051905.095DD2000D@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Bill, you put it better than I ever could with this comment. I am constantly amazed at the people who think we can do whatever we want, and because it is the U.S. and we have higher principles, it is okay. Yes, they did something outrageous on 9/11. Unforgivable. Oh, wait, wasn't there something about loving your enemy? anyway, sorry, I'm easily distracted..... that didn't give us the right to mistreat our prisoners and disrespect their religious beliefs - I thought the whole thing about being American is that we believe in human rights and treating people right (oh, sorry, don't ask the Native Americans about that one!) I think this whole thing, from 9/12 on, has been badly mishandled. The only right thing that was done was invading Afghanistan and taking down the Taliban. But, we were so anxious to get Saddam Hussein (daddy's old friend), that we half-assed the job and left before the job was really finished, and Afghanistan is well on it's way to becoming the world's newest narco-state. Iraq has been a mess since it was formed at the end of WW1, and what we did pretty much compounded the last 80 years of problems. sorry for my silence - the end of the school year was pretty hectic around my house, followed up by about 3 weeks of traveling and running around. anyway, I have spent tonight reading all the posts since about April 1 - I had over 1500 in my R22 folder! this is as far as I have gotten by 1am...... I love the list...you guys are a great group and I enjoy reading about all the fun you are having. I really want my own R22 - looks like that won't happen this summer, but we haven't given up on it. we were out on Lake Jordan with the kids on Saturday. who owns the R22 parked in Crosswinds Marina? just curious, is it someone on the list? Cheryl > > "killing people over a damned book is stupid" > > The Holy Roman Empire. > The Crusades. > The Inquisition. > The Holocaust. > > Please people. The list goes on and on. I think what you mean to > say is similar to what everyone else says: "Killing people over > someone else's damned book is stupid, but I've never seen a problem > about killing over my damned book. That is noble; patriotic; holy, > ... " > > Bill Effros > > PS -- If you are Christian, Jewish, Mormon; Unitarian; Protestant; > Catholic; Baptist; Fundamentalist; Creationist; or a follower of > Rev. Moon--"their God" is the same God you worship, and Muslims > trace their beliefs to the same books, and believe that those books > are all the word of the same God. > > PPS -- Cheryl, be a mensch--you must have something to say--you started this. > > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > Slim, > > > > You know, we can reason and discuss how these people might feel > > on and on into infinity. But the bottom line is, killing people > > over a damned book is stupid..... pure and simple, whether the > > rumor about the toilet was true or not. > > > > I'll not be making excuses for these people to make behaviour > > like this seem somehow acceptable. I doubt their "God" would > > either. > > > > Your first statement about wasted breath is probably right on the > > mark though. > > > > Rik > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Alm > > Sent: May 18, 2005 3:35 PM > > To: Rhodes > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] what is list etiquette? Ignore That! > > > > Brad, > > > > Thanks. I mostly agree with the article however calling for "perspective > > and objectivity" is a waste of breath. By definition, "extremists" are > > incapable of that. (And I don't just refer to Muslim extremists.) > > > > As I understand it, Islamic fundamentalists object to Democracy because it > > puts men in charge of the law instead of Allah and the Koran--(Qu'ran?) So > > if the shoe were on the other foot, it would be like flushing the Bible AND > > the Constitution. That's the perspective WE need to keep in mind. It's > > easy for us to sit back and condemn the Muslim extremists for over-reacting > > to a tiny little blurb that may or may not have been true, but if the Koran > > IS your whole world, how could you not protest? They already view > > themselves as the losers and they're getting desperate. Violent reactions > > are as predictable as the sunrise when some country half way around the > > world strips you of your entire life/value and crams their own ideology down > > your throat. What did we expect? > > > > What bugs me is what Don Rumsfeld had to say: "Oh, you've got to be very > > careful what you say..." WHAT? Look who's talking? Frankly, I wouldn't > > doubt that the story was indeed true and Newsweek was pressured to retract > > it. > > > > Slim > > > > On 5/18/05 11:01 AM, "brad haslett" wrote: > > > > > > > >> Ric, > >> > >> I was responding to your post when my daughter put her > >> elbow on the keyboard (I'm home all week playing Mr. > >> Mom.) Ignore that first post. At least she didn't > >> call 911 like she did when she was 1 1/2. Those cops > >> still think I'm lying. > >> > >> Anyway, I've been too busy to make any pithy political > >> comments but not to busy to read. Here's an article > >> from today's Chicago Tribune. Not only is it funny in > >> its own way but dead on the money correct. This is > >> neither left nor right folks, just a fastball straight > >> down the middle. > >> > >> Brad > >> "CoraShen" > >> > >> > >> Seeking sanity in the asylum > >> > >> > >> > >> By Kathleen Parker > >> > >> May 18, 2005 > >> > >> Reaction to an inaccurate Newsweek report that led > >> recently to rioting and death in Afghanistan suggests > >> that hysteria is, indeed, contagious. > >> > >> To briefly recap, Newsweek reported in a small blurb > >> May 9 that American interrogators at Guantanamo Bay > >> had flushed a Koran down a toilet in attempts to get > >> Muslim terror suspects to talk. Once the Newsweek > >> story was broadcast abroad, the usually reticent > >> hate-America crowd erupted in mass pique. Havoc > >> ensued. At least 15 Afghans died and many more were > >> injured. > >> > >> All because of a story that may not have been true. > >> The "knowledgeable U.S. government source" who told > >> Newsweek's Michael Isikoff and John Barry about the > >> flushing apparently wasn't so knowledgeable. At the > >> risk of seeming insensitive, may I suggest that c'est > >> la guerre and urge everyone to follow Dr. Lamaze's > >> always-useful advice: Breathe deeply and focus. > >> > >> What we need here is a little perspective. > >> > >> First, we all can agree that flushing a Koran down a > >> toilet, if physically possible, would be both > >> insensitive and rude, though Westerners generally have > >> a higher tolerance threshold for such offenses. Put it > >> this way: You could flush a Bible down the toilet in > >> front of Goober in Kabul, and it's unlikely that > >> Mayberry suddenly would be awash in blood. > >> > >> Without disrespecting true believers of Islam, one > >> also could debate the relative miseries of seeing our > >> favorite scripture disappear into the plumbing versus, > >> say, watching airplanes fly into buildings, killing > >> thousands of innocents. Remember, these are terrorist > >> suspects captured after 9/11, not kidnapped members of > >> an Afghan boys choir. > >> > >> The apparent Newsweek mistake was regrettable, but we > >> should beware of allowing ourselves to mirror the > >> emotional reactions of people who were by no measure > >> justified in their response--even if the story had > >> been proven true. > >> > >> The same people foaming over a reported act of > >> blasphemy didn't flinch while executing women for > >> stepping outside sans burqa. I'm afraid my moral > >> outrage in favor of the morally outrageous is tapped > >> out. > >> > >> While the world was reacting in righteous indignation > >> to the Newsweek report, another story was circulating > >> about Turkish women in Germany being executed by > >> family members in "honor killings" sanctioned by > >> certain interpretations of the Koran. Their offense? > >> Acting like Western women. Or, in the pithy words of a > >> 14-year-old Turkish boy who was justifying an > >> execution: "The whore lived like a German." > >> > >> Before the good Muslim world objects, let me assert > >> what shouldn't need saying: Islam isn't the problem > >> here. The problem is ignorance and the right-wing > >> Islamist faction that will use the Koran for its > >> purposes, whether to incite a riot or murder a woman > >> who refuses to wear her headscarf. The enemy is > >> extremism. > >> > >> I have no interest either in defending Newsweek or in > >> justifying interrogators' methods, but let's be blunt: > >> Those rampaging in Afghanistan didn't need a reason to > >> riot; they needed an excuse. That the media provided > >> one is regrettable, but that regret needs to be > >> tempered by perspective and objectivity. > >> > >> Instead, much of the anger the past several days has > >> been directed not at the Islamist extremists who went > >> berserk, but at the reporters who apparently got the > >> story wrong. What if they'd been right? Should > >> Newsweek not have reported it? Would the riots have > >> been justified if someone had flushed a Koran? > >> > >> We might debate those questions, but meanwhile we > >> should resist the urge to overreact as some have in > >> suggesting that the press should be restricted or > >> stifled. Although imperfect, a free press is one of > >> our nation's highest expressions of freedom and the > >> thing that separates us from the same right-wing, > >> authoritarian, extremist forces that we condemn. Yet, > >> an alarming number of Americans, their faith in > >> journalists damaged by recent scandals, have lost > >> sight of the meaning and importance of a free press. > >> > >> A recent University of Connecticut survey found, for > >> example, that only 14 percent of respondents knew that > >> freedom of the press was part of the 1st Amendment. > >> Only 55 percent of those surveyed strongly agreed that > >> newspapers should be allowed "to publish freely > >> without government approval of a story." Now there's a > >> finding to warm the cockles of a Taliban heart. > >> > >> Once we start asking the government for permission to > >> publish, we become partners in propaganda and cohorts > >> of authoritarianism. Far better to risk mistakes--and > >> even riots from the lunatic fringe--than to forfeit > >> the right to question authority. > >> > >> Mistakes will be made, but freedom means living to > >> say, "I'm sorry." > >> > >> Kathleen Parker is a syndicated columnist for the > >> Orlando Sentinel, a Tribune newspaper. ---------- > >> > >> E-mail: kparker@kparker.com > >> Copyright ? 2005, Chicago Tribune > >> > >> > >> --- brad haslett wrote: > >> > >> > >>> --- Rik Sandberg wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Cheryl, > >>>> > >>>> Somehow, I don't think that "political screed" was > >>>> all there was to that message, was it? Wasn't it > >>>> just one of Ed's little signature addendums? I > >>>> > >>>> > >>> think > >>> > >>> > >>>> I'd do my best to get over it if you want to hang > >>>> out on the Rhodes list, because, we talk about > >>>> > >>>> > >>> most > >>> > >>> > >>>> anything here, sometimes even politics. Maybe it > >>>> would be good if you went to > >>>> > >>>> www.rhodes22.org/list > >>>> > >>>> and read the charter. Then you can decide what is > >>>> appropriate .... or not and and decide whether you > >>>> want to stay .... or not. > >>>> > >>>> Rik > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Cheryl O'Grady > >>>> Sent: May 18, 2005 8:49 AM > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >>>> > >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is list etiquette? > >>>> > >>>> I don't think it is kosher for someone to use my > >>>> email address from the list to send political > >>>> screed. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is > >>>> that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke, Irish > >>>> philosopher > >>>> > >>>> __________________________________________________ > >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > >>>> www.rhodes22.org/list > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> __________________________________________________ > >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > >>>> www.rhodes22.org/list > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Mail > >>> Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the > >>> tour: > >>> http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > >>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > >>> www.rhodes22.org/list > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Yahoo! Mail > >> Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > >> http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >> > >> > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke, Irish philosopher From cheryl.ogrady at mail.com Tue Jun 14 00:26:25 2005 From: cheryl.ogrady at mail.com (Cheryl O'Grady) Date: Tue Jun 14 01:26:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is list etiquette? Ignore That! Message-ID: <20050614052625.80F972000D@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Rik, how right you are. extremism in the name of god is just another form of brainwashing. the medieval crusaders probably didn't know any better, but we have enough information and education not to fall into that trap. Cheryl > "their God" is the same God you worship," Yeah, I know .... I've > been told that by more than one Muslim with a half a lick of sense, > who believe that all this extremism is just as damned stupid as I > do. Here's a news flash, I don't much like Christian extremists > either. > > Rik Before the good Muslim world objects, let me assert > >>>> what shouldn't need saying: Islam isn't the problem > >>>> here. The problem is ignorance and the right-wing > >>>> Islamist faction that will use the Koran for its > >>>> purposes, whether to incite a riot or murder a woman > >>>> who refuses to wear her headscarf. The enemy is > >>>> extremism. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke, Irish philosopher From cheryl.ogrady at mail.com Tue Jun 14 00:40:09 2005 From: cheryl.ogrady at mail.com (Cheryl O'Grady) Date: Tue Jun 14 01:40:13 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is list etiquette? Ignore That! Message-ID: <20050614054009.70E0E2000D@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> Brad, these are excellent articles....supports my belief that religion was = invented by cynical opportunists to keep themsleves in power. don't know w= hy the western world developed more tolerance for insults to our religions,= but we did, and it is pretty crummy to yank some poor ignorant slob's chai= n by insulting his religious beliefs.=20 If the U.S. wants to claim the high ground, we need to take the high road. did that make sense to you guys, or is it just my 1am sensibilities? Cheryl=20=20 > Slim, >=20 > You're a bad, bad boy. I had that one coming! >=20 > Speaking of ghosts, I'm in the middle of a great book > "Ghost Wars" that specifically deals with the whole > lead-up to this Islamic extremism issue we're > discussing. It dove-tails neatly with "Charlie > Wilson's War", another book about Afghanistan. Here's > another article along the same vein as the one this > morning. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > May 17, 2005, 1:07 p.m. > The Smug Delusion of Base Expectations > Count me out of the Newsweek feeding frenzy. >=20 >=20 >=20 > We're in the grips of a pathology. And it's not media > bias. >=20 > Here's the late-breaking news (you'll want to be > sitting down for this): The mainstream media is > ideologically liberal and instinctually hostile to > George W. Bush, U.S. foreign policy, and the American > military. >=20 > No kidding. Really. If you want to throw the > off-switch for the cognitive part of your brain =97 as > many conservatives seem only to happy to do this week > =97 then, by all means, that is the story you want to > run with in this latest media scandal. >=20 > Newsweek, in reckless pursuit of a scoop that might > score the daily double of embarrassing the Bush > administration while heaping more disrepute on the > Left's favorite punching bag, Guantanamo Bay, falsely > reported a martial toilet-flushing of the Koran. Oops, > I'm sorry, I mean the Holy Koran =97 after all, I don't > want to be left out of the new, vast right-wing "we > can be just as nauseatingly pious as they can" > conspiracy. >=20 > The false report, according to the New York Times, > instigated "the most virulent, widespread > anti-American protests" in the Muslim world > since...well, since the last virulent, widespread > anti-American protests in the Muslim world =97 > particularly in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where at > least 17 people have been killed. >=20 > That's right. The reason for the carnage is said =97 > again and again, by media critics and government > officials =97 to be a false report of Koran desecration. > The prime culprit here is irresponsible journalism. >=20 > Is that what we really think? >=20 > Here's an actual newsflash =97 and one, yet again, that > should be news to no one: The reason for the carnage > here was, and is, militant Islam. Nothing more. >=20 > Newsweek merely gave the crazies their excuse du jour. > But they didn't need a report of Koran desecration to > fly jumbo jets into skyscrapers, to blow up embassies, > or to behead hostages taken for the great sin of being > Americans or Jews. They didn't need a report of Koran > desecration to take to the streets and blame the > United States while enthusiastically taking innocent > lives. This is what they do. >=20 > The outpouring of righteous indignation against > Newsweek glides past a far more important point. Yes, > we're all sick of media bias. But "Newsweek lied and > people died" is about as worthy a slogan as the > scurrilous "Bush lied and people died" that it > parrots. And when we engage in this kind of mindless > demagoguery, we become just another opportunistic > plaintiff =97 no better than the people all too ready to > blame the CIA because Mohammed Atta steered a hijacked > civilian airliner into a big building, and to sue the > Port Authority because the building had the audacity > to collapse from the blow. >=20 > What are we saying here? That the problem lies in the > falsity of Newsweek's reporting? What if the report > had been true? And, if you're being honest with > yourself, you cannot say =97 based on common sense and > even ignoring what we know happened at Abu Ghraib =97 > that you didn't think it was conceivably possible the > report could have been true. Flushing the Koran down a > toilet (assuming for argument's sake that our > environmentally correct, 3.6-liters-per-flush toilets > are capable of such a feat) is a bad thing. But > rioting? Seventeen people killed? That's a rational > response? >=20 > Sorry, but I couldn't care less about Newsweek. I'm > more worried about the response and our willful > avoidance of its examination. Afghanistan has been an > American reconstruction project for nearly four years. > Pakistan has been a close American "war on terror" > ally for just as long. This is what we're getting from > the billions spent, the lives lost, and the grand > project of exporting nonjudgmental, sharia-friendly > democracy? A killing spree? Over this? >=20 > In the affirmative-action context, conservatives have > written trenchantly about the "soft bigotry of low > expectations" =97 the promotion of a vile > dependency-ethos that says "you don't need to strive > for better," as a result of which many people who > might, don't. Our cognate sense of the Islamic world > has become the smug delusion of base expectations. >=20 > Someone alleges a Koran flushing and what do we do? We > expect, accept, and silently tolerate militant Muslim > savagery =97 lots of it. We become the hangin' judge for > the imbeciles whose negligence "triggered" the > violence, but offer no judgment about the societal > dysfunction that allows this grade of offense to > trigger so cataclysmic a reaction. We hop on our high > horses having culled from the Left's playbook the most > politically correct palaver about the inviolable > sanctity of Holy Islamic scripture (and never you mind > those verses about annihilating the infidels =97 the > ones being chanted by the killers). And we suspend > disbelief, insisting that things would be just fine in > a place like Gaza if we could only set up a democracy > =97 a development which, there, appears poised to > empower Hamas, terrorists of the same ilk as those in > Afghanistan and Pakistan who see comparatively minor > indignities as license to commit murder. >=20 > "Minor indignities? How can you say something so > callous about a desecration of the Holy Koran?" I say > it as a member of the real world, not the world of > prissy affectation. I don't know about you, but I > inhabit a place where crucifixes immersed in urine and > Madonna replicas composed of feces are occasions for > government funding, not murderous uprisings. If > someone was moved to kill on their account, we'd be > targeting the killer, not the exhibiting museum, not > the "artists," and surely not Newsweek. >=20 > I inhabit a world in which my government seeks > accommodation with Saudi Arabia and China and Egypt, > places where the practice of Christianity results in > imprisonment...or worse; in which Jews have been > driven from almost every country in the Middle East, > and in which the goal of destroying their country, > Israel, is viewed by much of the globe as legitimate > foreign policy; and in which being a Christian, an > animist, or the wrong kind of Muslim in Sudan is > grounds for genocide =97 something the vaunted United > Nations seems to regard as more of a spectator sport > than a cause of action. >=20 > In my world, militant Muslims, capitalizing on the > respectful deference of others, have been known > tactically to desecrate the Koran themselves: by > rigging it with explosives, by using it to secrete and > convey terrorist messages, and, yes, even by > toilet-flushing parts of it for the nuisance value of > flooding the bathrooms at Guantanamo Bay. Just as they > have used mosques as sanctuaries, as weapons depots, > and as snipers' nests. >=20 > There's a problem here. But it's not insensitivity, > and it's not media bias. Those things are condemnable, > but manageable. The real problem here is a culture > that either cannot or will not rein in a hate ideology > that fuels killing. When we go after Newsweek, we're > giving it a pass. Again. >=20 > =97 Andrew C. McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor, is > a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of > Democracies. >=20 >=20 >=20 > And one more interesting little tidbit - >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > MAY. 17, 2005: MISCHIEF MAKERS > Imran's Con >=20 > Newsweek is taking a pasting over the Koran abuse > story, and surely the magazine was indeed careless, > even reckless. But is the pasting quite 100% > justified? A number of readers have written to make > the point that ultimately the blame for the rioting > has to be fixed on the rioters. I'll quote just one: >=20 > "When a college basketball team loses (or wins, it > doesn't much matter which) and some students from that > school use that as an excuse to riot, is the > basketball team to blame? >=20 > "Newsweek doesn't have 16 deaths on its hands, the > rioters do. >=20 > "I think the real question is, why should Koran > desecration be such a big deal anyway? If a book that > important to me were desecrated, my response would be > more along the lines of a defiant 'fine, there's > plenty more where that came from.'" >=20 > That last question is a powerful one. But something > needs to be understood here: The riots in Afghanistan > were not a spontaneous response to the Newsweek item. > It did not happen that some pious Afghan spotted the > offending story while reading Newsweek at his coffee > house. The riots in Afghanistan were incited for > political gain. >=20 > Readers of the British gossip press know the name of > Imran Khan, the one-time Pakistani cricket star and > international playboy. In 1995 Khan made headlines in > Britain by marrying Jemima Goldsmith, daughter of the > late British billionaire Sir James Goldsmith. In > recent years, Khan (who also happens to belong to one > of Pakistan's largest landlord families) has turned to > politics. Unfortunately for him, his background is not > exactly a sure-fire vote winner in the Pakistani > context. Unbearded, Oxford-educated, a notorious > skirt-chaser, Khan has lacked appeal to the Pakistani > values voter. The fact that Khan's wife was Jewish by > background and socially acquainted with Salman Rushdie > did not help either. >=20 > So in 2002, Khan divorced Jemima and set about > reinventing himself as the devoutest of the devout. He > has fiercely criticized the Musharraf regime's working > relationship with the United States, and repeatedly > criticized the war on terror as an attack upon Islam. > Unlike the Afghan rioters, he probably does read > Newsweek or anyway employs people who do. And when > that item appeared in the May 9 issue of the magazine, > Khan saw a political opportunity. He staged a press > conference on May 6 and denounced the article in > blood-curdling language. He announced that he had > introduced a motion in the Pakistani National Assembly > to condemn desecration of the Koran. >=20 > Khan's words, broadcast on Pakistani television, were > taken up by Taliban sympathizers in Afghanistan, > inspired by their own political agendas. >=20 > Whatever one thinks of the reactions of the poor and > probably uneducated Afghans who rioted in response to > this incitement, from a political point of view it's > important to keep one's eyes on the motives and > actions of the sophisticated urban politicians who put > the mob in motion. The story of the Afghan riots - and > Khan's role in them - is one more reminder that much > of the extremism and violence of Middle Eastern and > Central Asian politics is the handiwork of cynical > local power-seekers pursuing selfish advantage. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Steve Alm wrote: >=20 > > > You've left such jucy low hanging fruit! > > > > Jeez, if I had a nickel for every time I've heard > > that... 8-) > > > > The Germans and the Japanese attacked with the full > > force of their sovereign > > nations' military. Yes, I acknowledge we were > > attacked on 9/11, but it was > > conducted by a small handful of unseeable "ghosts" > > rather than a sovereign > > nation. Your point is taken but I don't think your > > comparison is useful in > > this case. I'll bet their motives are the same as > > mine: I just want to be > > left alone and go about my life. > > > > Slim > > > > If only I > > > had the discipline to resist! You're not sailing > > > because of the weather and I'm not sailing because > > of > > > house boy/Mr. Mom duties, so what the hell, here > > goes. > > > > You wrote, "Violent reactions are as predictable > > as > > > the sunrise when some country half way around the > > > world strips you of your entire life/value and > > crams > > > their own ideology down your throat. What did we > > > expect?" > > > > Who were you referring to Germans or Japanese? Did > > > you gain your insight interviewing Holocaust > > survivors > > > or Chinese at Nanjing? > > > > Frankly I'd like to click my heels and make the > > > evening news go away as much as anybody. Yet, > > even > > > Bill Clinton sees progress in Iraq. > > > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050518/ap_on_re_mi_ea/clinton_iraq_1 > > > > Ok, I'll go back to cooking now. > > > > Brad > > > > --- Steve Alm wrote: > > > >> Brad, > > >> >> Thanks. I mostly agree with the article however > > >> calling for "perspective > > >> and objectivity" is a waste of breath. By > > >> definition, "extremists" are > > >> incapable of that. (And I don't just refer to > > >> Muslim extremists.) > > >> >> As I understand it, Islamic fundamentalists > > object > > >> to Democracy because it > > >> puts men in charge of the law instead of Allah > > and > > >> the Koran--(Qu'ran?) So > > >> if the shoe were on the other foot, it would be > > like > > >> flushing the Bible AND > > >> the Constitution. That's the perspective WE need > > to > > >> keep in mind. It's > > >> easy for us to sit back and condemn the Muslim > > >> extremists for over-reacting > > >> to a tiny little blurb that may or may not have > > been > > >> true, but if the Koran > > >> IS your whole world, how could you not protest? > > >> They already view > > >> themselves as the losers and they're getting > > >> desperate. Violent reactions > > >> are as predictable as the sunrise when some > > country > > >> half way around the > > >> world strips you of your entire life/value and > > crams > > >> their own ideology down > > >> your throat. What did we expect? > > >> >> What bugs me is what Don Rumsfeld had to say: > > "Oh, > > >> you've got to be very > > >> careful what you say..." WHAT? Look who's > > talking? > > >> Frankly, I wouldn't > > >> doubt that the story was indeed true and Newsweek > > >> was pressured to retract > > >> it. > > >> >> Slim > > >> >> On 5/18/05 11:01 AM, "brad haslett" > > >> wrote: > > >> >>> Ric, > > >>> >>> I was responding to your post when my daughter > > put > > >> her > > >>> elbow on the keyboard (I'm home all week playing > > >> Mr. > > >>> Mom.) Ignore that first post. At least she > > >> didn't > > >>> call 911 like she did when she was 1 1/2. Those > > >> cops > > >>> still think I'm lying. > > >>> >>> Anyway, I've been too busy to make any pithy > > >> political > > >>> comments but not to busy to read. Here's an > > >> article > > >>> from today's Chicago Tribune. Not only is it > > >> funny in > > >>> its own way but dead on the money correct. This > > >> is > > >>> neither left nor right folks, just a fastball > > >> straight > > >>> down the middle. > > >>> >>> Brad > > >>> "CoraShen" > > >>> >>> >>> Seeking sanity in the asylum > > >>> >>> >>> >>> By Kathleen Parker > > >>> >>> May 18, 2005 > > >>> >>> Reaction to an inaccurate Newsweek report that > > led > > >>> recently to rioting and death in Afghanistan > > >> suggests > > >>> that hysteria is, indeed, contagious. > > >>> >>> To briefly recap, Newsweek reported in a small > > >> blurb > > >>> May 9 that American interrogators at Guantanamo > > >> Bay > > >>> had flushed a Koran down a toilet in attempts to > > >> get > > >>> Muslim terror suspects to talk. Once the > > Newsweek > > >>> story was broadcast abroad, the usually reticent > > >>> hate-America crowd erupted in mass pique. Havoc > > >>> ensued. At least 15 Afghans died and many more > > >> were > > >>> injured. > > >>> >>> All because of a story that may not have been > > >> true. > > >>> The "knowledgeable U.S. government source" who > > >> told > > >>> Newsweek's Michael Isikoff and John Barry about > > >> the > > >>> flushing apparently wasn't so knowledgeable. At > > >> the > > >>> risk of seeming insensitive, may I suggest that > > >> c'est > > >>> la guerre and urge everyone to follow Dr. > > Lamaze's > > >>> always-useful advice: Breathe deeply and focus. > > >>> >>> What we need here is a little perspective. > > >>> >>> First, we all can agree that flushing a Koran > > down > > >> a > > >>> toilet, if physically possible, would be both > > >>> insensitive and rude, though Westerners > > generally > > >> have > > >>> a higher tolerance threshold for such offenses. > > >> Put it > > >>> this way: You could flush a Bible down the > > toilet > > >> in > > >>> front of Goober in Kabul, and it's unlikely that > > >>> Mayberry suddenly would be awash in blood. > > >>> >>> Without disrespecting true believers of Islam, > > one > > >>> also could debate the relative miseries of > > seeing > > >> our > > >>> favorite scripture disappear into the plumbing > > > =3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09=09 > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.= " Edmund Burke, Irish philosopher From cheryl.ogrady at mail.com Tue Jun 14 00:52:49 2005 From: cheryl.ogrady at mail.com (Cheryl O'Grady) Date: Tue Jun 14 01:52:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cheryl what did you get? Message-ID: <20050614055249.D394A2000D@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> No, that is just what those guys who thought the VietNam war was a good thing wanted everyone to think. in their opinion, anyone against the war was working for the enemy. kind of like the way, in the early days of our latest fiasco abroad, people who objected had their patriotism questioned. > > Cheryl > I just don't know why anyone would make fun of Jane > Fonda:-) She work her heart out at getting our > soldiers killed!!!!!!!!! You got to give credit where > credit is due:-) > Steve > > > > --- Cheryl O'Grady wrote: > > > I love when people express their opinions openly, > > and it generates discussion. I probably jump in > > with both feet TOO often, and end up with said feet > > in mouth. but I have gotten several messages from > > someone I don't know. The first time, I just pretty > > much ignored it, other than sending back a "who are > > you" note. then, I don't know why, but I identified > > him from an old R-22 list note. I went back in my > > old mail, couldn't find him, but I am pretty sure > > that it was related to one of our boat search > > messaages. > > > > It was clearly not spam, and I did send back a > > not-so-friendly reply. I do have some rather > > out-in-left-field ideas, and I objected to his > > demonization of Jane Fonda. I will forward the > > message on to you, maybe you are familiar with the > > guy. > > > > What I objected to was not that there were political > > conversations on the list, I haven't really seen too > > many, but that he is sending me email separately and > > including my e-address in notes that go to the > > world. I would personally put up any of my opinions > > I wanted to share on the list, not go off list, and > > not use the list for any other purposes. > > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ed kroposki" > > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Cheryl what did you > > get? > > Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:53:34 -0400 > > > > > > > > Cheryl, > > > Would you elaborate? What did you get in the way > > of political > > > screed?? > > > Maybe you and Mark are not on the same page? I > > have not seen much > > > overtly political on the list lately. > > > I run two sets of filters to stop spam and when > > some gets your > > > direct email address, no matter how, they can > > devise email spams to get by > > > them. I am now occasionally getting funky stuff > > from Germany. > > > Again, what happened? > > > > Ed K > > > Greenville, SC, USA > > > Political Addendum: > > > Killing the human spirit > > > What do I mean by the return of the spirit [to > > the workplace]. > > > First, let me quote Ayn Rand about spirit: "The > > quickest way to kill the > > > human spirit is to ask someone to do mediocre > > work." > > > When business and government were asking people > > not to do their > > > best, they were telling the workers, in essence, > > to lie to their customers. > > > Even though the workers knew they could have done > > better, they weren't > > > supposed to. Because the old paradigm preached > > that to do it right the first > > > time cost too much. > > > The cost that was never build into that statement > > was the cost of > > > the workers' integrity. Not doing your best but > > presenting it as your best > > > is a lie. And lying corrupts the soul. > > > Joel Arthur Barker, Paradigms: The Business of > > Discovering the > > > Future. (New York: HarperCollins Publishers), 1993 > > (1992), p. 137. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is > > that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke, Irish > > philosopher > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke, Irish philosopher From cheryl.ogrady at mail.com Tue Jun 14 00:53:51 2005 From: cheryl.ogrady at mail.com (Cheryl O'Grady) Date: Tue Jun 14 01:53:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cheryl what did you get? Message-ID: <20050614055351.707B92000D@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> bravo. >=20 > OK, Steve, let's give credit where it's due: LBJ worked a lot harder and > was much more successful at getting many more of our soldiers killed than > Fonda. > Slim >=20 > On 5/19/05 2:17 PM, "Steve" wrote: >=20 > > Cheryl > > I just don't know why anyone would make fun of Jane > > Fonda:-) She work her heart out at getting our > > soldiers killed!!!!!!!!! You got to give credit where > > credit is due:-) > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- Cheryl O'Grady wrote: > > > >> I love when people express their opinions openly, > >> and it generates discussion. I probably jump in > >> with both feet TOO often, and end up with said feet > >> in mouth. but I have gotten several messages from > >> someone I don't know. The first time, I just pretty > >> much ignored it, other than sending back a "who are > >> you" note. then, I don't know why, but I identified > >> him from an old R-22 list note. I went back in my > >> old mail, couldn't find him, but I am pretty sure > >> that it was related to one of our boat search > >> messaages. > >> > >> It was clearly not spam, and I did send back a > >> not-so-friendly reply. I do have some rather > >> out-in-left-field ideas, and I objected to his > >> demonization of Jane Fonda. I will forward the > >> message on to you, maybe you are familiar with the > >> guy. > >> > >> What I objected to was not that there were political > >> conversations on the list, I haven't really seen too > >> many, but that he is sending me email separately and > >> including my e-address in notes that go to the > >> world. I would personally put up any of my opinions > >> I wanted to share on the list, not go off list, and > >> not use the list for any other purposes. > >> > >> Cheryl > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "ed kroposki" > >> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > >> > >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Cheryl what did you > >> get? > >> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:53:34 -0400 > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Cheryl, > >>> Would you elaborate? What did you get in the way > >> of political > >>> screed?? > >>> Maybe you and Mark are not on the same page? I > >> have not seen much > >>> overtly political on the list lately. > >>> I run two sets of filters to stop spam and when > >> some gets your > >>> direct email address, no matter how, they can > >> devise email spams to get by > >>> them. I am now occasionally getting funky stuff > >> from Germany. > >>> Again, what happened? > >>> > >>> Ed K > >>> Greenville, SC, USA > >>> Political Addendum: > >>> Killing the human spirit > >>> What do I mean by the return of the spirit [to > >> the workplace]. > >>> First, let me quote Ayn Rand about spirit: "The > >> quickest way to kill the > >>> human spirit is to ask someone to do mediocre > >> work." > >>> When business and government were asking people > >> not to do their > >>> best, they were telling the workers, in essence, > >> to lie to their customers. > >>> Even though the workers knew they could have done > >> better, they weren't > >>> supposed to. Because the old paradigm preached > >> that to do it right the first > >>> time cost too much. > >>> The cost that was never build into that statement > >> was the cost of > >>> the workers' integrity. Not doing your best but > >> presenting it as your best > >>> is a lie. And lying corrupts the soul. > >>> Joel Arthur Barker, Paradigms: The Business of > >> Discovering the > >>> Future. (New York: HarperCollins Publishers), 1993 > >> (1992), p. 137. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > >> www.rhodes22.org/list > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is > >> that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke, Irish > >> philosopher > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > >> www.rhodes22.org/list > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.= " Edmund Burke, Irish philosopher From flybrad at yahoo.com Tue Jun 14 06:12:01 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Tue Jun 14 08:12:04 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] One more for the Oops file Message-ID: <20050614121201.85958.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Remember what I said about things you don't want to hear in the cockpit? (airplane or boat) This was just published this morning but the speculation correctly identified the problem a long time ago. Brad URL: http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/business/article/0,1426,MCA_440_3852852,00.html Julie Smith/Associated Press Pilots sought 'a little fun' Flew to maximum altitude minutes before Pinnacle crash By Leslie Miller Associated Press June 14, 2005 WASHINGTON -- Two pilots, in a jovial mood as they flew an empty commuter jet, wanted to "have a little fun" by taking the plane to an unusually high altitude last October, only to realize as the engines failed that they were not going to make it, according to transcripts released Monday. The plane, which the two were ferrying for Memphis-based Pinnacle Airlines from Arkansas to Minnesota, crashed, killing Capt. Jesse Rhodes and First Officer Peter Cesarz. Both were based in Detroit. The cockpit voice recording, released by the National Transportation Safety Board at the start of a three-day hearing into the Oct. 14, 2004, accident, revealed how the pilots cracked jokes and decided to "have a little fun" and fly to 41,000 feet -- the maximum altitude for their plane. Most commuter jets fly at lower altitudes. "Man, we can do it, 41-it," said Cesarz at 9:48 p.m. A minute later, Rhodes said, "40 thousand, baby." Two minutes later, "There's 41-0, my man," Cesarz said. "Made it, man." At 9:52 p.m., one of the pilots popped a can of Pepsi and they joked about drinking beer. A minute later, Cesarz said, "This is the greatest thing, no way." But at 10:03 p.m., the pilots reported their engine had failed. Five minutes later, they said both engines had failed and they wanted a direct route to any airport. The transcript recounts their increasingly desperate efforts to restart the engines and regain altitude. They tried to land at the Jefferson City, Mo., airport but by 10:14 p.m., it was obvious they wouldn't reach it. "We're not going to make it, man. We're not going to make it," Cesarz said. The plane crashed in a residential neighborhood of Jefferson City. No one was injured on the ground. Accident investigators are examining how well the pilots were trained -- a key safety question as the number of regional jets keeps growing. The crash involved a Bombardier regional jet plane operated by Pinnacle Airlines, an affiliate of Northwest Airlines. Like many regional carriers, Pinnacle is growing rapidly as it teams up with a traditional network airline looking to offer more seats to more places. Pinnacle grew by 700 percent in the past five years, according to Phil Reed, its marketing vice president. During that time, it switched its fleet from propeller-driven planes to small turbojets, known as regional jets, or RJs. The number of regional jets rose to 1,630 last year from 570 in 2000, the Federal Aviation Administration says. The question of whether government safety inspectors can keep up with such rapid changes in the airline industry was raised last week in a Transportation Department inspector general's report. Jet engines work differently at higher altitudes, and it's unclear whether the relatively inexperienced Pinnacle pilots were aware that they had to be more careful in the thin air at 41,000 feet, the maximum altitude for their plane. According to FAA transcripts of air-to-ground conversations, an air traffic controller in Kansas City told the two pilots it was rare to see the plane flying that high. "Yeah, we're actually ... we don't have any passengers on board, so we decided to have a little fun and come up here," one pilot said. The transcripts don't identify whether Rhodes or Cesarz made the statement. First one, then the other engine shut down. The last contact that controllers had with the crew was at 9,000 feet, when the pilot reported an airport beacon in sight. At the hearing, NTSB investigators plan to delve into the plane's flight limits and the proper recovery techniques when engines fail. They also want to know if the pilots knew those procedures and to learn the engine's performance characteristics at high altitudes. On June 2, the FAA issued a special bulletin clarifying what steps pilots need to take to restart an engine when there's a dual engine failure, agency spokeswoman Laura Brown said. David Stempler, president of the Air Travelers Association, said the issue may be reckless pilots rather than inadequate training or improper recovery procedures. "This is more a story of pilots having time on their hands and playing with things in the cockpit that they shouldn't," he said. Flying, he said, is as boring as truck driving most of the time. "This was boredom and experimentation, these guys experimenting with things they had no business doing," Stempler said. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Excerpts from pilots' recording Excerpts from conversations between Pinnacle Airlines Capt. Jesse Rhodes and First Officer Peter Cesarz just before they died in the crash of a Bombardier regional jet on Oct. 14, 2004. Investigators say the crash occurred after the pilots took the plane to 41,000 feet, an altitude where engine problems can develop. 9:48:44 p.m. Cesarz: "Man, we can do it. Forty-one it." 9:48:46 Rhodes: "(Unintelligible) baby." 9:48:57 Cesarz: "Hundred and eighty knots, still cruising at Mach point six four." 9:51:51 Cesarz: "There's four-one-oh, my man." 9:51:53 Cesarz: "Made it, man." 9:54:19 Rhodes: "Yeah, that's funny, we got up here, it won't stay up here." 9:54:22 Cesarz: "Dude, it's (expletive) losing it." (Sound of laughing) 10:14:36 Cesarz: "We're not gonna make it, man, we're not gonna make it." 10:14:38 Rhodes: "Is there a road? Tell her we're not gonna make this runway." 10:14:46 Rhodes: "Let's keep the gear up. (Expletive) I don't want to go into houses here." 10:14:51 Cesarz: (Expletive) "road right there." 10:14:52 Rhodes: "Where?" 10:14:52 Cesarz: "Turn, turn..." 10:14:53 Rhodes: "Turn where?" 10:14:53 Cesarz: "Turn to your left, turn to your left." 10:14:56 Rhodes: Either: "I see it" or "I can't." 10:14:58 Warning signal in cockpit: "Too low, terrain, terrain." 10:14:59 Rhodes: "Can't make it." 10:15:03 Rhodes: "Aw (expletive). We're gonna hit houses, dude." Source: National Transportation Safety Board Copyright 2005, commercialappeal.com - Memphis, TN. All Rights Reserved. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From flybrad at yahoo.com Tue Jun 14 06:32:06 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Tue Jun 14 08:32:12 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Gitmo Message-ID: <20050614123206.21883.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is an excellent article from Slate (hardly a Red State rag). Brad fighting words Confessions of a Dangerous Mind Plus, Amnesty's amnesia. By Christopher Hitchens Posted Monday, June 13, 2005, at 3:30 PM PT A favorite slice of reality TV in today's Iraq is the melodramatically named program Terrorism in the Grip of Justice. Aired on state-run Al Iraqiya, which doesn't require a satellite dish, it shows the confessions of captured "insurgents," mainly foreign fighters. When possible, it also shows the videos that these people have made, so that, for example, a man can be viewed as he slices a victim's throat and then viewed, looking much less brave, as he explains where he comes from, how he was taught to rehearse beheadings and throat-slittings on animals, and other insights into the trade. On occasion, these characters are confronted with the families of their victims. At other times, they have been able to tell the families of the missing what happened to their loved ones. The aim is to demystify the holy warriors and also to encourage civilians to call in with further tips. Some of the confessions, such as one from an alleged Syrian intelligence officer who said that the insurgency was run by Syria, are a little too convenient. And the possibility exists that other confessions are either staged or coerced. Nonetheless, the program, which originated in the northern city of Mosul, has been very influential in exposing the origins and character of the forces that are bent on wrecking Iraqi society. Terrorism in the Grip of Justice could only be shown once the transfer of sovereignty to an Iraqi government had been made. The United States could not have put any of these people on television, because the Geneva Conventions forbid the exhibiting of prisoners. (I don't know what the law would say about showing the program on U.S. television, and in any case the video-beheadings recorded by the captured perpetrators would be too hideous for mass consumption.) In my opinion, at any rate, the elected Iraqi authorities are well within their rights in using this means of propaganda. Indeed, they are entitled to all the presumptions of a war of self-defense. The position of the United States is different, because not only is it a signatory to the Geneva protocols, it is also the power that has pressed other nations to both sign and observe them. (It was also the United States that pressed all member states of the United Nations to sign Eleanor Roosevelt's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which the Soviet Union and Saudi Arabia at first declined to do.) Any wavering on the part of Washington thus has consequences far beyond itself. The forces of al-Qaida and its surrogate organizations are not signatory to the conventions and naturally express contempt for them. They have no battle order or uniform and are represented by no authority with which terms can be negotiated. Nor can they claim, as actual guerrilla movements like the Algerian FLN have done in the past, to be the future representatives of their countries or peoples. In Afghanistan and Iraq, they sought to destroy the electoral process that alone can confer true legitimacy, and they are in many, if not most, cases not even citizens of the countries concerned. Their announced aim is the destruction of all nonbelievers, and their avowed method is indiscriminate and random murder. They are more like pirates, hijackers, or torturers?three categories of people who have in the past been declared outside the protection of any law. The administration therefore deserves at least some sympathy in its confrontation with an enemy of a new type. I should very much like to know how a Gore administration would have dealt with the hundreds of foreign sadists taken in arms in Afghanistan. I should also like to know how other Western governments, which are privately relieved that the United States assumed responsibility for the last wave, expect to handle the next wave of fundamentalist violence in their own societies. No word on this as yet. An axiom of the law states that justice is more offended by one innocent person punished than by any number of guilty persons unapprehended. I say frankly that I am not certain of the applicability of this in the present case. Mullah Omar's convoy in Afghanistan was allowed to escape because there was insufficient certainty to justify bombing it. Several detainees released from Guantanamo have reappeared in the Taliban ranks, once again burning and killing and sabotaging. The man whose story of rough interrogation has just been published in Time had planned to board a United Airlines flight and crash it into a skyscraper. I want to know who his friends and contacts were, and so do you, hypocrite lecteur. You may desire this while also reserving the right to demand that he has a lawyer present at all times. But please observe where we stand now. Alberto Gonzales was excoriated even for asking, or being asked, about the applicability of Geneva rules. Apparently, Guantanamo won't do as a holding pen until we decide how to handle and classify these people. But meanwhile, neither will it do to "render" any suspects to their countries of origin. How many alternatives does this leave? Is al-Qaida itself to be considered a "ticking bomb" or not? How many of those who express concern about Guantanamo have also been denouncing the administration for being too lenient about ignoring warnings and missing opportunities for a pre-atrocity roundup? I merely ask. I also express the wish that more detainees be brought, like the wretched American John Walker Lindh, before a court. About Amnesty International's disgraceful performance, however, I can tell as well as ask. I was at one point quite close to its London headquarters, and I used to both carry and return messages for the organization when I went as a reporter to screwed-up countries. The founding statutes were quite clear: An Amnesty local was to adopt three "prisoners of conscience," one from either side of the Cold War and one from a "neutral" state. Letters were to be written to the relevant governments and to newspapers in free countries. Though physical torture and capital punishment were opposed in all cases, no overt political position was to be taken. (I remember there was quite a row when an Amnesty "country report" on Argentina went so far as to describe a guerrilla raid as "daring.") By adhering to these rules, AI became a credible worldwide group to which even the most repressive governments sometimes had to pay attention. All honor to its founder Peter Benenson, who died earlier this year. And now look. I think it is fairly safe to say that not one detainee in Guantanamo is there because of an expression of opinion. (And those whose "opinion" is that all infidels must die are not exactly prisoners of conscience.) Morally neutral on this point, apparently, Amnesty nonetheless finds its voice by describing the prison itself as "the gulag of our times." No need to waste words here: Not everyone in the gulag was a "prisoner of conscience," either. But if an organization that ostensibly protects the rights of prisoners is unaware of the nature of a colossal system of forced labor and arbitrary detention?replete with physical torture, starvation, and brutal execution?then the moral compass has become disordered beyond repair. This is not even neutrality between the fireman and the fire. It surely expresses a covert sympathy with the aims and objectives of jihad and an overt, if witless and sinister, hatred of the United States. If only this were the only symptom of that tendency. Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair. His most recent book is Thomas Jefferson: Author of America. Article URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2120810 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com Tue Jun 14 11:36:14 2005 From: BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com (Robert and Sandra Fuller) Date: Tue Jun 14 10:36:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] elementary question on sail position Message-ID: <000601c570ee$6b082370$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> The recent posts on traveler position have been very helpful. On a simpler level: Even on a fairly close reach, I end up with the main (IMF) lying on the aft lower stay. Am I sheeting out to far? Is this the nature of the rigging? Is it harmful to airflow or the sail? Thanks, Bob F. From wewickman at duke-energy.com Tue Jun 14 11:30:50 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Tue Jun 14 11:44:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outer Banks Adventure -- Day 5 of 5 -- The final installment Message-ID: Thankyou Cheryl. Every trip is a learning experience. The most important thing is to just get out and do it! Bill W. -------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces Sent: 06/13/2005 11:41 PM To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outer Banks Adventure -- Day 5 of 5 -- The final installment wow, Bill, what a trip. It made really exciting reading. We are hoping to make such a trip one of these days ourselves.... Cheryl __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From pthorn at nc.rr.com Tue Jun 14 16:40:22 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Tue Jun 14 15:38:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red Rhodes Message-ID: <002c01c57118$e7ab3c80$660fa8c0@dell330> Cheryl, I saw that same nice red boat and wondered the same thing. I don't know who owns it either. Are you from the Chapel Hill area too? PT From julie at circle7.net Tue Jun 14 18:12:21 2005 From: julie at circle7.net (Julie Thorndycraft) Date: Tue Jun 14 18:12:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme References: <20050611170551.09C6B6EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> <42AB2F8D.1070305@effros.com><009501c56f0c$61260720$f9639c04@raysdesktop> <42AC2727.2090301@effros.com> Message-ID: <004401c5712e$22bf16b0$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> Bill and James, Just to confuse things further, Stan made the size of our Swell Head about three inches larger due to how tall my husband is. This means our galley is slightly smaller than most. He also added another panel in the head door so it expanded out further. Julie s/v Blue Loon 1996 (recycled in 2003) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme > > James, > > You are quite right about your observations, and I have saved some > information about this as it has appeared from time to time. Stan has > weighed in to report that moving the bulkhead that supports the mast has > not weakened the boat. It has, however, slightly changed the balance of > the boat, and I believe the location of the mast was slightly changed. > > Roger knew a lot about this, and frequently contributed to this topic. > > Downloading the archives and indexing them using Google Desktop is > probably a good idea for this project. > > Thanks for the input--keep it coming. I'll start seriously tracking this > stuff down after the sailing season is over. > > Bill Effros > > James Wilson wrote: > >>On the issue of changes made over time... >> >>I noticed that the room allocated for a head on a 1976 Rhodes continental >>appears to be far smaller than the Swell Head currently featured in new >>boats. >> >>I assume that the galley must be a bit longer as well. >> >>Soo, the bulkhead must be a bit further fore on the earlier boats than on >>the later ones. Also from pics I have seen the fore and aft bulkhead that >>separates the head compartment from the main cabin seems to not be full >>height on the 76. >> >>I assume to accomodate a bigger head compartment in the newer boats the >>cabin bulkhead was moved aft. I am curious as to whether any rigging >>changes had to be done to accomplish this, or any other structural >>changes >>to accomodate bulkhead movment. >> >>Or maybe my perception is wrong and the bulkhead was not moved... >> >>Any clarification available? >> >>What year was the enlarged head compartment debuted in? >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Tue Jun 14 20:14:46 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Tue Jun 14 19:06:44 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] elementary question on sail position References: <000601c570ee$6b082370$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Message-ID: <00be01c57136$e4449640$03639c04@raysdesktop> The recent posts on traveler position have been very helpful. On a simpler level: Even on a fairly close reach, I end up with the main (IMF) lying on the aft lower stay. Am I sheeting out to far? Is this the nature of the rigging? Is it harmful to airflow or the sail? Well I can't speak to whether this is germaine to the Rhodes 22 design as I have not been on one today. However, Generally on most boats the mainsail should not contact the shrouds untill at least past a beam reach. Now, if shroud contact before beam reach is an anomaly on the rhodes 22 design, and other rhodes sailors can comment here, then you have to consider why it is happenning. Possibilities might include, in descending rank of liklihood in my mind at least might include; 1) inssufficient outhaul tension causing the mainsail to belly out too much. 2) Sails worn out to the point of being too difficult to shape due to a LOT of sailing in heavy winds (Blown out) 3) Halyard tension or downhaul tension insufficient. Likely it is more noticeable when boom is lowered? I wouldn't be too worried about the loss of airfoil efficiency. I would be much more worried about sail chaffe. If it is a design issue in the rigging which I would be rather surprised by, then likely best you can do is to rig baggywinkles to the shrouds to minimize sail wear due to chafe. Thanks, Bob F. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 14 22:09:59 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Tue Jun 14 21:10:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] elementary question on sail position References: <000601c570ee$6b082370$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> <00be01c57136$e4449640$03639c04@raysdesktop> Message-ID: <001401c57146$f3391120$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Another possibility, is the boom in the lowered position? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Wilson" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] elementary question on sail position > > > > > The recent posts on traveler position have been very helpful. On a > simpler > level: Even on a fairly close reach, I end up with the main (IMF) lying > on > the aft lower stay. Am I sheeting out to far? Is this the nature of the > rigging? Is it harmful to airflow or the sail? > > Well I can't speak to whether this is germaine to the Rhodes 22 design as > I > have not been on one today. > > However, Generally on most boats the mainsail should not contact the > shrouds untill at least past a beam reach. > > Now, if shroud contact before beam reach is an anomaly on the rhodes 22 > design, and other rhodes sailors can comment here, then you have to > consider why it is happenning. > > Possibilities might include, in descending rank of liklihood in my mind > at > least might include; > > 1) inssufficient outhaul tension causing the mainsail to belly out too > much. > > 2) Sails worn out to the point of being too difficult to shape due to a > LOT > of sailing in heavy winds (Blown out) > > 3) Halyard tension or downhaul tension insufficient. > > Likely it is more noticeable when boom is lowered? > > I wouldn't be too worried about the loss of airfoil efficiency. I would > be > much more worried about sail chaffe. If it is a design issue in the > rigging > which I would be rather surprised by, then likely best you can do is to > rig > baggywinkles to the shrouds to minimize sail wear due to chafe. > > Thanks, Bob F. > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From cheryl.ogrady at mail.com Tue Jun 14 20:40:24 2005 From: cheryl.ogrady at mail.com (Cheryl O'Grady) Date: Tue Jun 14 21:40:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red Rhodes Message-ID: <20050615014024.C726BCDADE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> We live in Cary. Where do you keep your boat? cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thorn" To: "Rhodes 22 List Members" Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red Rhodes Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:40:22 -0400 > > > the R22 parked in Crosswinds Marina? just curious, is it someone > on the list?> > > > Cheryl, > > I saw that same nice red boat and wondered the same thing. I > don't know who owns it either. Are you from the Chapel Hill area > too? > > PT > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke, Irish philosopher From flybrad at yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 07:22:15 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Wed Jun 15 09:22:18 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Comparison and Contrast Message-ID: <20050615132215.42242.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here's a good excercise in comparison and contrast (for those of you who have the time). If only we had a competing newspaper in Memphis. Brad ----------------- ROLLIN' ON THE RIVERS By MACKUBIN T. OWENS MAY was a costly month in Iraq: 700 Iraqis and some 80 Americans died, making it one of the bloodiest months of the war. While bombings in Baghdad decreased over the last two weeks as the result of a major sweep by some 40,000 Iraqi soldiers and policemen, backed up by 10,000 troops (Operation Lightning/Operation Thunder), insurgent attacks against Iraqi civilians and police have resumed. The continuing attacks have generated the usual sort of stories in the U.S. press: America is mired in a Vietnam-style quagmire. Thus a recent Boston Globe report began by claiming: "Military operations in Iraq have not succeeded in weakening the insurgency." But the Globe is wrong. Coalition operations in Iraq have killed hundreds of insurgents and led to the capture of many hundreds more, including two dozen of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's top lieutenants. Intelligence from captured insurgents, as well as from Zarqawi's computer, has had a cascading effect, permitting the Coalition to maintain pressure on the insurgency. Vice President Dick Cheney's recent claim that the insurgency was in its "last throes," however, was clearly an overstatement. But while the outcome in Iraq is far from certain ? and even a favorable one won't come overnight ? evidence suggests the United States and the new Iraqi government are on the right track to ultimate success. To understand why, it is necessary to grasp the essentials of the current U.S. strategy in Iraq and how it seems to be playing out. The Globe's problem, one shared by most of the American press, is the tendency to see events in Iraq as isolated. They fail to see the overall campaign: a series of coordinated events ? movements, battles and supporting operations ? designed to achieve strategic or operational objectives within a military theater. No force, conventional or guerrilla, can continue to fight if it is deprived of sanctuary and logistics support. Accordingly, the central goal of the U.S. strategy in Iraq is to destroy the insurgency by depriving it of its base in the Sunni Triangle and its "ratlines" ? the infiltration routes that run from the Syrian border into the heart of Iraq. One ratline follows the Euphrates River corridor ? running from Syria to Husayba on the Syrian border and then through Qaim, Rawa, Haditha, Asad, Hit and Fallujah to Baghdad. The other follows the course of the Tigris ? from the north through Mosul-Tel Afar to Tikrit and on to Baghdad. These two "river corridors" constitute the main spatial elements of a campaign to implement U.S. strategy. This campaign began last November with the takedown of Fallujah. Wresting Fallujah from the rebels was critically important: Control of the town had given them the infrastructure ? human and physical ? necessary to maintain a high tempo of attacks against the Iraqi government and coalition forces. In and of itself, the loss of Fallujah didn't cause the insurgency to collapse, but it did deprive the rebels of an indispensable sanctuary. Absent such a sanctuary, large terrorist networks cannot easily survive, being reduced to small, hunted bands. With Fallujah captured, the Coalition continued a high tempo of offensive operations. After losing the city, Zarqawi apparently tried to reconstitute the insurgency in Mosul, but was unable to do so because of continued U.S. pressure. In Mosul as in Fallujah, Coalition forces killed and captured insurgents ? forcing Zarqawi to move west into Al Anbar province. In March, an Iraqi special operations unit captured an insurgent camp near Lake Tharthar on the border of Anbar and Salaheddin provinces. Such operations forced him back to positions along the Syrian border. Next came the rivers campaign ? to destroy the insurgent infrastructure west and northwest of Fallujah, and so shut down those "ratlines" ? which continues apace. May saw four operations within that campaign: * The first, Operation Matador, was a week-long Marine action centered on Qaim, near the Syrian border. Matador sought to kill and capture followers of Zarqawi known to be located there and to interdict the smuggling routes they used to move downriver to Baghdad. Some 125 insurgents died in the fighting. * Next came Operation New Market, another Marine operation, in the Haditha area southeast of Qaim. Here, a major highway from Syria crosses the Euphrates and then branches north toward Mosul and southeast toward Fallujah and Baghdad. While the insurgents did not stand and fight as they had in Qaim, the operation still netted substantial intelligence. * The third was a joint U.S.-Iraqi operation in the Mosul-Tel Afar region that contains the Tigris River ratline. * The fourth operation of this campaign was the aforementioned Lightning/Thunder in Baghdad itself, which led to the capture of a former general in Saddam's intelligence service, who (according to the U.S. military) led "the military wings of several terror cells" operating in west Baghdad. Hundreds of other insurgents were captured as well. The rapid tempo of Coalition operations will likely continue. Indeed, as U.S. and Iraqi forces shut down these ratlines, the insurgency will likely fall back on its "strategic rear" in Syria. Thus, "hot pursuit" into Syria may soon become an issue. The U.S. strategy in Iraq is limited by a number of factors: the U.S. forces available, Iraqi politics and the time it is taking to create a competent Iraqi military. But the ongoing river campaign indicates that America has chosen to go on the offensive, taking advantage of the success in Fallujah to deny the insurgents respite. The high operational tempo is intended to rapidly degrade the rebels' lines of communication at both ends of the two river corridors, while killing and capturing as many of the enemy as possible. But while military operations have weakened the insurgency, military means alone cannot defeat an insurgency. That is why it is necessary to bring the Sunnis into the government. Recent evidence suggests that the steps so far have already begun to drive a wedge between the Sunni and the foreign jihadis who have come to fight for Zarqawi. Indeed, one of the reasons U.S. forces have been able to go on the offensive ? despite the fact that U.S. troop strength is actually lower than it was earlier this year ? is an improvement in actionable intelligence. Some of this is coming from captured insurgents. But much of it is coming from Sunnis who realize that their best chance for a future requires them to choose the new Iraqi government and reject the jihadis. If current trends can be sustained, Zarqawi and his jihadi murderers will soon run out of time and space. Mackubin Thomas Owens is a professor of national security affairs at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I. NEW YORK POST is a registered trademark of NYP Holdings, Inc. NYPOST.COM, NYPOSTONLINE.COM, and NEWYORKPOST.COM are trademarks of NYP Holdings, Inc. Copyright 2005 NYP Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved. ---------------------- June 15, 2005 Let's Talk About Iraq By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN Ever since Iraq's remarkable election, the country has been descending deeper and deeper into violence. But no one in Washington wants to talk about it. Conservatives don't want to talk about it because, with a few exceptions, they think their job is just to applaud whatever the Bush team does. Liberals don't want to talk about Iraq because, with a few exceptions, they thought the war was wrong and deep down don't want the Bush team to succeed. As a result, Iraq is drifting sideways and the whole burden is being carried by our military. The rest of the country has gone shopping, which seems to suit Karl Rove just fine. Well, we need to talk about Iraq. This is no time to give up - this is still winnable - but it is time to ask: What is our strategy? This question is urgent because Iraq is inching toward a dangerous tipping point - the point where the key communities begin to invest more energy in preparing their own militias for a scramble for power - when everything falls apart, rather than investing their energies in making the hard compromises within and between their communities to build a unified, democratizing Iraq. Our core problem in Iraq remains Donald Rumsfeld's disastrous decision - endorsed by President Bush - to invade Iraq on the cheap. From the day the looting started, it has been obvious that we did not have enough troops there. We have never fully controlled the terrain. Almost every problem we face in Iraq today - the rise of ethnic militias, the weakness of the economy, the shortages of gas and electricity, the kidnappings, the flight of middle-class professionals - flows from not having gone into Iraq with the Powell Doctrine of overwhelming force. Yes, yes, I know we are training Iraqi soldiers by the battalions, but I don't think this is the key. Who is training the insurgent-fascists? Nobody. And yet they are doing daily damage to U.S. and Iraqi forces. Training is overrated, in my book. Where you have motivated officers and soldiers, you have an army punching above its weight. Where you don't have motivated officers and soldiers, you have an army punching a clock. Where do you get motivated officers and soldiers? That can come only from an Iraqi leader and government that are seen as representing all the country's main factions. So far the Iraqi political class has been a disappointment. The Kurds have been great. But the Sunni leaders have been shortsighted at best and malicious at worst, fantasizing that they are going to make a comeback to power through terror. As for the Shiites, their spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, has been a positive force on the religious side, but he has no political analog. No Shiite Hamid Karzai has emerged. "We have no galvanizing figure right now," observed Kanan Makiya, the Iraqi historian who heads the Iraq Memory Foundation. "Sistani's counterpart on the democratic front has not emerged. Certainly, the Americans made many mistakes, but at this stage less and less can be blamed on them. The burden is on Iraqis. And we still have not risen to the magnitude of the opportunity before us." I still don't know if a self-sustaining, united and democratizing Iraq is possible. I still believe it is a vital U.S. interest to find out. But the only way to find out is to create a secure environment. It is very hard for moderate, unifying, national leaders to emerge in a cauldron of violence. Maybe it is too late, but before we give up on Iraq, why not actually try to do it right? Double the American boots on the ground and redouble the diplomatic effort to bring in those Sunnis who want to be part of the process and fight to the death those who don't. As Stanford's Larry Diamond, author of an important new book on the Iraq war, "Squandered Victory," puts it, we need "a bold mobilizing strategy" right now. That means the new Iraqi government, the U.S. and the U.N. teaming up to widen the political arena in Iraq, energizing the constitution-writing process and developing a communications-diplomatic strategy that puts our bloodthirsty enemies on the defensive rather than us. The Bush team has been weak in all these areas. For weeks now, we haven't even had ambassadors in Iraq, Afghanistan or Jordan. We've already paid a huge price for the Rumsfeld Doctrine - "Just enough troops to lose." Calling for more troops now, I know, is the last thing anyone wants to hear. But we are fooling ourselves to think that a decent, normal, forward-looking Iraqi politics or army is going to emerge from a totally insecure environment, where you can feel safe only with your own tribe. Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company Home Privacy Policy Search Corrections XML Help Contact Us Work for Us Back to Top __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From dominicvalentino at yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 08:21:27 2005 From: dominicvalentino at yahoo.com (Dominic Valentino) Date: Wed Jun 15 10:21:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF boom height adjustment Message-ID: <20050615142127.94568.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Hello All, I just purchased a 1986 Rhodes and was wondering how the boom slider is moved up and down once the mast is raised. Am I supposed to attach a halyard to it somehow? The boom slider is orginal and made of some strange white crumbly stuff and I don't see what keeps it from sliding down. My boat happens to be missing the pop-top slider as well, will this affect the use of the boom at all? I was going to wait until next year to buy a new pop-top slider. Thanks, Dominic From rlipton at earthlink.net Wed Jun 15 11:28:28 2005 From: rlipton at earthlink.net (Ronald Lipton) Date: Wed Jun 15 11:28:44 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF boom height adjustment References: <20050615142127.94568.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006101c571be$e1aca480$84f7e183@liptonlaptop2> Dominic, The boom slider is held in place by a pin on the left hand side. The ring which allows you to pull the pin out and lower the boom may be missing. If so the pin may be hidden in the housing. You might be able to reach around inside the mast and push the pin out far enough to get a grip on it. The boom slider is a plastic which has been UV damaged over the years. Stan can sell you a new slider along with the pop top slider. I replaced both of mine last year. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominic Valentino" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF boom height adjustment > Hello All, > > I just purchased a 1986 Rhodes and was wondering how > the boom slider is moved up and down once the mast is > raised. Am I supposed to attach a halyard to it > somehow? > > The boom slider is orginal and made of some strange > white crumbly stuff and I don't see what keeps it from > sliding down. > > My boat happens to be missing the pop-top slider as > well, will this affect the use of the boom at all? I > was going to wait until next year to buy a new pop-top > slider. > > Thanks, > > Dominic > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 15 12:31:44 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Wed Jun 15 11:31:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF boom height adjustment References: <20050615142127.94568.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c571bf$56072c10$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Dominic: There should be a block which fits into the mast slot that has a pin that catches a retaining hole in the mast. Its purpose is two fold: it holds the boom up and it supports the main sail furler. If you do not have that piece you need to contact GB and get it and the pop top slider as well. They are relatively inexpensive. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominic Valentino" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:21 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF boom height adjustment > Hello All, > > I just purchased a 1986 Rhodes and was wondering how > the boom slider is moved up and down once the mast is > raised. Am I supposed to attach a halyard to it > somehow? > > The boom slider is orginal and made of some strange > white crumbly stuff and I don't see what keeps it from > sliding down. > > My boat happens to be missing the pop-top slider as > well, will this affect the use of the boom at all? I > was going to wait until next year to buy a new pop-top > slider. > > Thanks, > > Dominic > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com Wed Jun 15 20:19:25 2005 From: BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com (Robert and Sandra Fuller) Date: Wed Jun 15 19:19:38 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] elementary question on sail position Message-ID: <000501c57200$ac488f10$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Thanks to James & Robert who both correctly deduced I had the boom in the lowered position. Sailed today with the boom elevated and had much less tendency to rest the main on the shrouds. A pretty graphic demonstration of twist. Bob F. From sandcity at comcast.net Thu Jun 16 01:11:57 2005 From: sandcity at comcast.net (sandcity@comcast.net) Date: Wed Jun 15 20:12:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position Message-ID: <061620050011.9792.42B0C3CD0000C771000026402200762302979B070C0B020E9C@comcast.net> I have enjoyed reading recent posts about sail trim and use of Traveller etc. and appreciate the time taken to educate novices like myself. Our 89 rhodes was delivered in March and since that time have had a ball sailing any chance we get. I am somewhat confused however about trimming the Jib/Genoa and proper used of Jib leads and cars by cockpit. When sailing to wind in light airs I have set a full genoa and have tried to run the sheet through both the gunnel leads by the cabin or cars by the cockpit. The leech flutters and I can't seem to trim effectively. Should I shorten the genoa in this case and run sheets through the cabin top leads? In heavier air trimming seems much easier. What is the proper use of Jib leads, cockpit cars, and cabin top leads on most points of sail? With a full genoa is there ever a time that neither leads or cars are used? I find myself constantly rerouting the sheets to try to obtain a full sail and am driving my crew crazy. Hope this makes sense and appreciate any suggestions or input. Thanks Kevin Halligan From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 15 21:50:14 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Wed Jun 15 20:50:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position References: <061620050011.9792.42B0C3CD0000C771000026402200762302979B070C0B020E9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000d01c5720d$5be19960$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Kevin: Use the outer Genoa/Jib tracks and cars for light air. The only time that you would use the inners and the guides on the side of the cabin would be in heavy air when you want to point closer to the wind. What size Genoa are you running? Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position >I have enjoyed reading recent posts about sail trim and use of Traveller >etc. and appreciate the time taken to educate novices like myself. Our 89 >rhodes was delivered in March and since that time have had a ball sailing >any chance we get. I am somewhat confused however about trimming the >Jib/Genoa and proper used of Jib leads and cars by cockpit. When sailing to >wind in light airs I have set a full genoa and have tried to run the sheet >through both the gunnel leads by the cabin or cars by the cockpit. The >leech flutters and I can't seem to trim effectively. Should I shorten the >genoa in this case and run sheets through the cabin top leads? In heavier >air trimming seems much easier. What is the proper use of Jib leads, >cockpit cars, and cabin top leads on most points of sail? With a full genoa >is there ever a time that neither leads or cars are used? I find myself >constantly rerouting the sheets to try to obtain a full sail and am driving >my crew crazy. Hope this makes sens > e and appreciate any suggestions or input. Thanks > > Kevin Halligan > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From sandcity at comcast.net Thu Jun 16 02:04:35 2005 From: sandcity at comcast.net (sandcity@comcast.net) Date: Wed Jun 15 21:04:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position Message-ID: <061620050104.16467.42B0D02300028902000040532200762302979B070C0B020E9C@comcast.net> Bob I think it's a 175. the clew comes back as far as the cockpit cars. Kevin > Kevin: Use the outer Genoa/Jib tracks and cars for light air. The only > time that you would use the inners and the guides on the side of the cabin > would be in heavy air when you want to point closer to the wind. > > What size Genoa are you running? > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:11 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position > > > >I have enjoyed reading recent posts about sail trim and use of Traveller > >etc. and appreciate the time taken to educate novices like myself. Our 89 > >rhodes was delivered in March and since that time have had a ball sailing > >any chance we get. I am somewhat confused however about trimming the > >Jib/Genoa and proper used of Jib leads and cars by cockpit. When sailing to > >wind in light airs I have set a full genoa and have tried to run the sheet > >through both the gunnel leads by the cabin or cars by the cockpit. The > >leech flutters and I can't seem to trim effectively. Should I shorten the > >genoa in this case and run sheets through the cabin top leads? In heavier > >air trimming seems much easier. What is the proper use of Jib leads, > >cockpit cars, and cabin top leads on most points of sail? With a full genoa > >is there ever a time that neither leads or cars are used? I find myself > >constantly rerouting the sheets to try to obtain a full sail and am driving > >my crew crazy. Hope this makes sens > > e and appreciate any suggestions or input. Thanks > > > > Kevin Halligan > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 15 22:51:40 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Wed Jun 15 21:51:47 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position References: <061620050104.16467.42B0D02300028902000040532200762302979B070C0B020E9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000801c57215$f0b1f000$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Kevin: Right. If it is a 175 (or even a 150 or less) when the winds are piping and you want to sail close to the wind you will need to furl the sail down a good deal (roughly jib size or smaller if the winds are really piping) and bring the sheets inside the outer (and in some cases the lower) stays in order to point closer to the wind. What you are looking to do is get the sail as flat as you can and still get enough lift to keep the boat moving without luffing the sail. Normally, the sheets will go through the cars and track outside the outer stays. As the winds pick up and things get uncomfortable (heeling excessively) you start reefing the Genoa down until you reach a comfortable sailing angle. Remember for the most part the boat will get to its hull speed quicker and maintain speed when the boat is on her lines or as close to her lines as you can get her. ((Note: When sailing for the thrill of it, a lot of folks get their kicks by getting the boat on a good heel. There as some who are not happy until they bring water over the gunnels. Gives you a good rush but does not necessarily mean that you are sailing fast.)) Cheers, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position > Bob > > I think it's a 175. the clew comes back as far as the cockpit cars. > > Kevin > > >> Kevin: Use the outer Genoa/Jib tracks and cars for light air. The only >> time that you would use the inners and the guides on the side of the >> cabin >> would be in heavy air when you want to point closer to the wind. >> >> What size Genoa are you running? >> >> Bob on the "NoKaOi" >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:11 PM >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position >> >> >> >I have enjoyed reading recent posts about sail trim and use of Traveller >> >etc. and appreciate the time taken to educate novices like myself. Our >> >89 >> >rhodes was delivered in March and since that time have had a ball >> >sailing >> >any chance we get. I am somewhat confused however about trimming the >> >Jib/Genoa and proper used of Jib leads and cars by cockpit. When sailing >> >to >> >wind in light airs I have set a full genoa and have tried to run the >> >sheet >> >through both the gunnel leads by the cabin or cars by the cockpit. The >> >leech flutters and I can't seem to trim effectively. Should I shorten >> >the >> >genoa in this case and run sheets through the cabin top leads? In >> >heavier >> >air trimming seems much easier. What is the proper use of Jib leads, >> >cockpit cars, and cabin top leads on most points of sail? With a full >> >genoa >> >is there ever a time that neither leads or cars are used? I find myself >> >constantly rerouting the sheets to try to obtain a full sail and am >> >driving >> >my crew crazy. Hope this makes sens >> > e and appreciate any suggestions or input. Thanks >> > >> > Kevin Halligan >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Wed Jun 15 20:16:54 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Wed Jun 15 22:17:04 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position In-Reply-To: <061620050011.9792.42B0C3CD0000C771000026402200762302979B070C0B020E9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050616021655.11709.qmail@web81701.mail.yahoo.com> sandcity@comcast.net wrote: Our 89 rhodes was delivered in March and since that time have had a ball sailing any chance we get. I am somewhat confused however about trimming the Jib/Genoa and proper used of Jib leads and cars by cockpit. Well headsail trimming can be somewhat maddening. In general, you move the cars forward in order to open the foot of the sil and belly out the sail to increase drive of the sail, and move the cars aft to flatten the sail. Generally you want to have big puffy sails in light airs and flat sails in heavy airs. Also as a general rule you you tend to flatten the sail when sailing into the wind and fill out when reaching or running. Also of note, is that if everything seems to be properly trimmed, yet the leach is still fluttering, look on the sail itself to see if there is a very small diameter line poking out of the sail with a cleat sewed into the sail. This is a Leach line somethimes installed on better quality sails. A fairly small adjustment here can takew out an annoying flutter. Also if the leac of the sail seems to be hooked to weather, then releasing that leach line can flatten out the hook. Inner tracks can be used to shorten the lead angle of the jib for better windward performance when trying to point ot windward. When sailing to wind in light airs I have set a full genoa and have tried to run the sheet through both the gunnel leads by the cabin or cars by the cockpit. The leech flutters and I can't seem to trim effectively. Should I shorten the genoa in this case and run sheets through the cabin top leads? In heavier air trimming seems much easier. What is the proper use of Jib leads, cockpit cars, and cabin top leads on most points of sail? With a full genoa is there ever a time that neither leads or cars are used? I find myself constantly rerouting the sheets to try to obtain a full sail and am driving my crew crazy. Hope this makes sens e and appreciate any suggestions or input. Thanks Kevin Halligan __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 15 23:49:45 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 15 22:50:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position In-Reply-To: <061620050104.16467.42B0D02300028902000040532200762302979B070C0B020E9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001601c5721e$11458040$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Kevin, Welcome to the list. It is customary to clue us in where you sail. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Sailing on Rummy's private impoundment, aka, Lake Hartwell, see: www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/ http://www.negia.net/~bostrom/BWSC/ From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Thu Jun 16 00:55:36 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Thu Jun 16 00:04:12 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position In-Reply-To: <20050616021655.11709.qmail@web81701.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050616021655.11709.qmail@web81701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42B0F838.9090704@michaelmeltzer.com> the problem with the 175, trying to turn it into a 100 for the inside cleat is it become a "hanky" with no shape, all but useless, a real 110 set great on the inside. -mjm James Wilson wrote: >sandcity@comcast.net wrote: > Our 89 rhodes was delivered in March and since that time have had a ball sailing any chance we get. I am somewhat confused however about trimming the Jib/Genoa and proper used of Jib leads and cars by cockpit. > > > >Well headsail trimming can be somewhat maddening. > > > >In general, you move the cars forward in order to open the foot of the sil and belly out the sail to increase drive of the sail, and move the cars aft to flatten the sail. Generally you want to have big puffy sails in light airs and flat sails in heavy airs. > > > >Also as a general rule you you tend to flatten the sail when sailing into the wind and fill out when reaching or running. > > > >Also of note, is that if everything seems to be properly trimmed, yet the leach is still fluttering, look on the sail itself to see if there is a very small diameter line poking out of the sail with a cleat sewed into the sail. This is a Leach line somethimes installed on better quality sails. A fairly small adjustment here can takew out an annoying flutter. Also if the leac of the sail seems to be hooked to weather, then releasing that leach line can flatten out the hook. > > > >Inner tracks can be used to shorten the lead angle of the jib for better windward performance when trying to point ot windward. > > > >When sailing to wind in light airs I have set a full genoa and have tried to run the sheet through both the gunnel leads by the cabin or cars by the cockpit. The leech flutters and I can't seem to trim effectively. Should I shorten the genoa in this case and run sheets through the cabin top leads? In heavier air trimming seems much easier. What is the proper use of Jib leads, cockpit cars, and cabin top leads on most points of sail? With a full genoa is there ever a time that neither leads or cars are used? I find myself constantly rerouting the sheets to try to obtain a full sail and am driving my crew crazy. Hope this makes sens >e and appreciate any suggestions or input. Thanks > >Kevin Halligan >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 16 04:33:22 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 16 04:33:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position In-Reply-To: <061620050011.9792.42B0C3CD0000C771000026402200762302979B070C0B020E9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello Kevin and welcome. You're getting some good advice here but it should be stated clearly that the only time you CAN use the inner cabin-top jib leads is when you're reefed in to about 135% or less. With your 175 out fully, it'll not fit under the spreaders and it'll not be able to flatten out and it'll bag up too much. But hopefully, you've discovered this already. 8-) To answer one of your questions, ALWAYS use the leads or car--there's never a time when you sheet directly to the winch. When you're using all 175 in light air, the cockpit cars should be positioned just inches in front of your winch. In higher winds, in addition to being reefed, you only use the cabin-top leads when you want to point high into the wind. If you fall off for a beam or broad reach or running, you want the sheets back on the outside of the upper shrouds going through the cockpit cars even if you're deeply reefed. So, reefed in AND pointing is the only time you're using the cabin-top leads. As a general starting point, look at the geometry: Look at your jib sheet and "eyeball" an imaginary straight line from the lead or car through the clew of the sail and up to the forestay. That imaginary line should meet the forestay at its midway point, half way from deck to masthead. (I have Doyle sails and my 175 has a clew stripe on it that should be in line with the sheet.) After that, you can make small adjustments as needed to allow more twist aloft (car aft) or loosen the foot (car forward). When changing the sheets from outer to inner leads (or vice-versa) it's easiest to change the windward (slack) sheet first, then come about, then change the other one. Here's what I do: Instead of going forward and pulling out the sheet hand over hand and thus having a coil of line in your hands and wobbling around on the foredeck, just take and drag the bitter end of the sheet and route it around where it needs to go and pull it through, hand over hand from the cockpit. It takes less time overall and less time forward and more time in the safety of the cockpit. It only takes me about ten seconds to do it this way. Teach your crew how to do this and they're be much happier with your maneuvers. Hope this helps, Slim On 6/15/05 7:11 PM, "sandcity@comcast.net" wrote: > I have enjoyed reading recent posts about sail trim and use of Traveller etc. > and appreciate the time taken to educate novices like myself. Our 89 rhodes > was delivered in March and since that time have had a ball sailing any chance > we get. I am somewhat confused however about trimming the Jib/Genoa and proper > used of Jib leads and cars by cockpit. When sailing to wind in light airs I > have set a full genoa and have tried to run the sheet through both the gunnel > leads by the cabin or cars by the cockpit. The leech flutters and I can't seem > to trim effectively. Should I shorten the genoa in this case and run sheets > through the cabin top leads? In heavier air trimming seems much easier. What > is the proper use of Jib leads, cockpit cars, and cabin top leads on most > points of sail? With a full genoa is there ever a time that neither leads or > cars are used? I find myself constantly rerouting the sheets to try to obtain > a full sail and am driving my crew crazy. Hope this makes sens > e and appreciate any suggestions or input. Thanks > > Kevin Halligan > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From stan at rhodes22.com Thu Jun 16 09:41:34 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Thu Jun 16 08:41:44 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position References: Message-ID: <005101c57270$be327a90$32d407d0@yourze8cxvr8tt> if you sail with the top up (as you should if you are not racing and not in very heavy air) all of this is easily done from inside the cabin. ss --- Original Message ----- From: "Slim" To: "Rhodes" Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position > Hello Kevin and welcome. > > You're getting some good advice here but it should be stated clearly that > the only time you CAN use the inner cabin-top jib leads is when you're > reefed in to about 135% or less. With your 175 out fully, it'll not fit > under the spreaders and it'll not be able to flatten out and it'll bag up > too much. But hopefully, you've discovered this already. 8-) > > To answer one of your questions, ALWAYS use the leads or car--there's > never > a time when you sheet directly to the winch. When you're using all 175 in > light air, the cockpit cars should be positioned just inches in front of > your winch. In higher winds, in addition to being reefed, you only use > the > cabin-top leads when you want to point high into the wind. If you fall > off > for a beam or broad reach or running, you want the sheets back on the > outside of the upper shrouds going through the cockpit cars even if you're > deeply reefed. So, reefed in AND pointing is the only time you're using > the > cabin-top leads. > > As a general starting point, look at the geometry: Look at your jib sheet > and "eyeball" an imaginary straight line from the lead or car through the > clew of the sail and up to the forestay. That imaginary line should meet > the forestay at its midway point, half way from deck to masthead. (I have > Doyle sails and my 175 has a clew stripe on it that should be in line with > the sheet.) After that, you can make small adjustments as needed to allow > more twist aloft (car aft) or loosen the foot (car forward). > > When changing the sheets from outer to inner leads (or vice-versa) it's > easiest to change the windward (slack) sheet first, then come about, then > change the other one. Here's what I do: Instead of going forward and > pulling out the sheet hand over hand and thus having a coil of line in > your > hands and wobbling around on the foredeck, just take and drag the bitter > end > of the sheet and route it around where it needs to go and pull it through, > hand over hand from the cockpit. It takes less time overall and less time > forward and more time in the safety of the cockpit. It only takes me > about > ten seconds to do it this way. Teach your crew how to do this and they're > be much happier with your maneuvers. > > Hope this helps, > > Slim > > > On 6/15/05 7:11 PM, "sandcity@comcast.net" wrote: > >> I have enjoyed reading recent posts about sail trim and use of Traveller >> etc. >> and appreciate the time taken to educate novices like myself. Our 89 >> rhodes >> was delivered in March and since that time have had a ball sailing any >> chance >> we get. I am somewhat confused however about trimming the Jib/Genoa and >> proper >> used of Jib leads and cars by cockpit. When sailing to wind in light airs >> I >> have set a full genoa and have tried to run the sheet through both the >> gunnel >> leads by the cabin or cars by the cockpit. The leech flutters and I can't >> seem >> to trim effectively. Should I shorten the genoa in this case and run >> sheets >> through the cabin top leads? In heavier air trimming seems much easier. >> What >> is the proper use of Jib leads, cockpit cars, and cabin top leads on most >> points of sail? With a full genoa is there ever a time that neither leads >> or >> cars are used? I find myself constantly rerouting the sheets to try to >> obtain >> a full sail and am driving my crew crazy. Hope this makes sens >> e and appreciate any suggestions or input. Thanks >> >> Kevin Halligan >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 16 15:56:25 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 16 14:59:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain In-Reply-To: <005101c57270$be327a90$32d407d0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <000001c572a5$1cee0b60$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Attached are two pictures of an experienced Rhodes 22 Captain sailing into Big Water Marina. These were taken Thursday, June 16, 2005 about 10:30 AM. These are submitted to the list as proof of experience and possession of a Rhodes 22 sailboat thereby authenticating his knowledge of sailing this boat. Newbies can see his pictures of boom and pop top hardware and other rigging at: http://members8.clubphoto.com/kimberly513138/687351/guest.phtml See: http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -------------- next part -------------- Name: Rum Runner coming into Big Water.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2534938 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/16/RumRunnercomingintoBigWater.jpg -------------- next part -------------- Name: Famous R22 at Big Water.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1375391 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/16/FamousR22atBigWater.jpg From rlowe at vt.edu Thu Jun 16 16:58:32 2005 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Rob Lowe) Date: Thu Jun 16 15:58:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain References: <000001c572a5$1cee0b60$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <019501c572ad$c5bd8dd0$58ac52c6@ehss.vt.edu> Ed, It's quite obvious from the pictures that the captain has a wealth of experience. The pictures are so well done, I can even discern the captain is a rum drinker. Well done. - rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain Attached are two pictures of an experienced Rhodes 22 Captain sailing into Big Water Marina. These were taken Thursday, June 16, 2005 about 10:30 AM. These are submitted to the list as proof of experience and possession of a Rhodes 22 sailboat thereby authenticating his knowledge of sailing this boat. Newbies can see his pictures of boom and pop top hardware and other rigging at: http://members8.clubphoto.com/kimberly513138/687351/guest.phtml See: http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm Ed K Greenville, SC, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Name: Rum Runner coming into Big Water.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2534938 bytes Desc: not available > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/16/RumRunnercomingintoBigWater.jpg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Name: Famous R22 at Big Water.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1375391 bytes Desc: not available > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/16/FamousR22atBigWater.jpg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 16 17:21:49 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Thu Jun 16 16:21:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain References: <000001c572a5$1cee0b60$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <001a01c572b1$070086a0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Ed: Very, very nice collection of photos. Should prove most helpful to the fellow who was asking about the furling bearing and pop top slider pieces. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain Attached are two pictures of an experienced Rhodes 22 Captain sailing into Big Water Marina. These were taken Thursday, June 16, 2005 about 10:30 AM. These are submitted to the list as proof of experience and possession of a Rhodes 22 sailboat thereby authenticating his knowledge of sailing this boat. Newbies can see his pictures of boom and pop top hardware and other rigging at: http://members8.clubphoto.com/kimberly513138/687351/guest.phtml See: http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Name: Rum Runner coming into Big Water.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2534938 > bytes Desc: not available > Url: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/16/RumRunnercomingintoBigWater.jpg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Name: Famous R22 at Big Water.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1375391 bytes > Desc: not available > Url: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/16/FamousR22atBigWater.jpg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 16 17:05:04 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 16 17:05:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain In-Reply-To: <000001c572a5$1cee0b60$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: > These are submitted to the list as proof of experience and possession > of a Rhodes 22 sailboat thereby authenticating his knowledge of sailing this > boat. Why? Has there been some controversy? Slim From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 16 18:47:14 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 16 17:47:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list]Reply to Captain Quinn and the Music Maker In-Reply-To: <001a01c572b1$070086a0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <000001c572bc$f607eda0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Bob, It is very important to recognize that the photos belong to the boat and captain of the boat in the other photos submitted. Please submit your applause or refer to: http://mtgayrum.dll1.com/2005/landing.html#news Or in the alternative you just might want to listen to: http://users2.ev1.net/~barr/ Slim, The answer to your question is, read what is written and then what is in between the lines. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: "You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3." - Paul F. Crickmore (test pilot) From sandcity at comcast.net Thu Jun 16 23:21:34 2005 From: sandcity at comcast.net (sandcity@comcast.net) Date: Thu Jun 16 18:21:40 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa leads and sail position Message-ID: <061620052221.24218.42B1FB6E00097A3500005E9A2200748184979B070C0B020E9C@comcast.net> Thanks very much for all your help and suggestions. I'll put them in practice this weekend. I keep the boat at yankee point sailboat marina on the Northern Neck in Virginia which is about 2 hours from Richmond. I have been sailing on the Rappahannock River and look foward to venturing into the Chesapeake as I become more experienced. I dream about crossing the bay.... perhaps to tangier island someday. Thanks again for everyones responses and help. any guidance is much appreciated. Kevin Halligan > > > Kevin, > Welcome to the list. It is customary to clue us in where you sail. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Sailing on Rummy's private impoundment, aka, Lake Hartwell, see: > www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/ > > http://www.negia.net/~bostrom/BWSC/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From budconnor at earthlink.net Thu Jun 16 15:01:08 2005 From: budconnor at earthlink.net (Bud Connor) Date: Thu Jun 16 20:04:52 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 Message-ID: <42B1BE64.3060602@earthlink.net> Hello, I am looking to purchase a Rhodes 22, but first would like to see one and kick the tires (gently of course). Are there any Rhodes 22 owners/boats along the East Coast of Florida that I could visit? Thanks! Martin (Bud) Connor Melbourne, FL (321) 255-3945 From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Thu Jun 16 20:59:09 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Thu Jun 16 20:07:47 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain In-Reply-To: <000001c572a5$1cee0b60$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> References: <000001c572a5$1cee0b60$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <42B2124D.4060704@michaelmeltzer.com> No woman, bikini, thong or naked. what type of marketing it that -mjm ed kroposki wrote: > > > > > Attached are two pictures of an experienced Rhodes 22 Captain sailing >into Big Water Marina. These were taken Thursday, June 16, 2005 about 10:30 >AM. > > These are submitted to the list as proof of experience and possession >of a Rhodes 22 sailboat thereby authenticating his knowledge of sailing this >boat. > > > >Newbies can see his pictures of boom and pop top hardware and other rigging >at: > >http://members8.clubphoto.com/kimberly513138/687351/guest.phtml > > > >See: http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm > > > >Ed K > >Greenville, SC, USA > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Name: Rum Runner coming into Big Water.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2534938 bytes Desc: not available >Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/16/RumRunnercomingintoBigWater.jpg > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Name: Famous R22 at Big Water.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1375391 bytes Desc: not available >Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/16/FamousR22atBigWater.jpg > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 17 08:58:20 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 17 07:58:46 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rappahannock Va and Melbourne Fla In-Reply-To: <061620052221.24218.42B1FB6E00097A3500005E9A2200748184979B070C0B020E9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001c57333$de5b5120$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Kevin and Bud: I will reply to Kevin first. It is surprising that a Chesapeake Rhodie has not responded to you. Maybe it has to do with the subject line of your post. Many of Rhodies on this list do not read all post. But look for names of others in there area. There are many Rhodes 22's on the Chesapeake, most are north of you. However, there are some in your area. By identifying your area in the subject line, eventually you will catch their attention. Understand that there are many Rhodies who for various reasons are not on the Rhodes list. I estimated from my experience at the Annapolis Boat Show that there were three Rhodes owners at the show for every Rhodes owner who came to the show who was also on this list. Bud, That last paragraph applies to you. There are Rhodes 22's in Florida. Only a few are routinely on the list. Stan from General Boats was at the St. Petersburg boat show. He used to go to the Miami show, but that show is not interested in the little guy market. If you want to see a Rhodes 22 quickly, you might want to come to South Carolina where we have several on Lake Hartwell. See: www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/ Alternatively, Stan is based in the historic coastal town of Edenton, NC. If you visited him on a weekend, and cajoled him, he might be able to take you out in a boat on the Albemarle Sound near the plant. FYI see: www.edentonmarina.com/ http://www.edenton.com/ In this last respect, remember that General Boats is a tiny operation. Stan does not keep a fleet of boats for show. The last I knew, he kept an old boat at his house which he has been known to sail. Sometimes he is able to get a boat at the plant into the water to demonstrate, but do not count on it. By the way, the Rhodes 22 does not have tires. The trailers have tires, but kicking them is not the same as sailing a boat. I encourage you to visit one of us, or the maestro himself and go for a sail. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: "Blue water Navy truism: There are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky." - From an old carrier sailor From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 06:26:41 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 17 08:26:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SNL Video - "Iceman-The Later Years" Message-ID: <20050617122642.34069.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had whole day of "Human Factors" training yesterday. It's hard to make this stuff interesting but few good videos help. Here is a link to a Saturday Night Live spoof on "Topgun" that the instructor used for conflict resolution. http://www.usna.edu/FlyNavy/Squadron%20Photos%20Archive.htm Click on the lower left icon "Iceman-The Later Years" The video of the Blue Angels with Van Halen's music is good too. Brad ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From hnw555 at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 09:42:25 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Fri Jun 17 08:42:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SNL Video - "Iceman-The Later Years" In-Reply-To: <20050617122642.34069.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050617122642.34069.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The Van Halen Video is one of my all time favorites! Hank On 6/17/05, brad haslett wrote: > I had whole day of "Human Factors" training yesterday. > It's hard to make this stuff interesting but few good > videos help. Here is a link to a Saturday Night Live > spoof on "Topgun" that the instructor used for > conflict resolution. > > http://www.usna.edu/FlyNavy/Squadron%20Photos%20Archive.htm > > Click on the lower left icon "Iceman-The Later Years" > > The video of the Blue Angels with Van Halen's music is > good too. > > Brad > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From R22RumRunner at aol.com Fri Jun 17 10:24:51 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 17 09:25:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain Message-ID: Michael, I got up yesterday, looked at my schedule and there was nothing on it. Highly unusual these days, so I spent the entire day on the lake. My GPS logged 32 miles, 3 of which were motoring. Winds were out of the southwest between 10 and 15 and I sailed until sunset. A very good day indeed. Would somebody please take the camera away from Ed? Rummy From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 17 11:29:01 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Fri Jun 17 10:29:13 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain References: Message-ID: <004001c57348$e85c2680$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Rummy: You know how to hurt a guy. Our home is in total disarray owing to the consequences of last years hurricanes. While we did not suffer much damage directly from the hurricanes, when the roofing company pulled the old shingles off of the roof about a month ago and before they could get the protective "peel and stick" over the roof, we got hit with a tremendous thunder storm which cause leaks all down one side of our home. We were already in the process of updating our kitchen. Bottom line: too many workers around the house to go sailing! {:>( Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain > Michael, > I got up yesterday, looked at my schedule and there was nothing on it. > Highly unusual these days, so I spent the entire day on the lake. My GPS > logged 32 > miles, 3 of which were motoring. Winds were out of the southwest between > 10 > and 15 and I sailed until sunset. A very good day indeed. > Would somebody please take the camera away from Ed? > > Rummy > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From hnw555 at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 11:36:35 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Fri Jun 17 10:36:41 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain In-Reply-To: <004001c57348$e85c2680$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> References: <004001c57348$e85c2680$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: Bob, Just out of curiosity, whose insurace, if any, covers that? Hank On 6/17/05, Robert Quinn wrote: > Rummy: You know how to hurt a guy. Our home is in total disarray owing to > the consequences of last years hurricanes. While we did not suffer much > damage directly from the hurricanes, when the roofing company pulled the old > shingles off of the roof about a month ago and before they could get the > protective "peel and stick" over the roof, we got hit with a tremendous > thunder storm which cause leaks all down one side of our home. We were > already in the process of updating our kitchen. Bottom line: too many > workers around the house to go sailing! {:>( > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain > > > > Michael, > > I got up yesterday, looked at my schedule and there was nothing on it. > > Highly unusual these days, so I spent the entire day on the lake. My GPS > > logged 32 > > miles, 3 of which were motoring. Winds were out of the southwest between > > 10 > > and 15 and I sailed until sunset. A very good day indeed. > > Would somebody please take the camera away from Ed? > > > > Rummy > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From mkaynor at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 11:58:31 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Fri Jun 17 10:58:52 2005 Subject: Working from the boat - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42b2e526.0da83d6e.4b52.ffff9159@mx.gmail.com> Bob, Rummy, We, on the other hand, are riding at anchor in Little Bay off the Chesapeake just north of the Rappahannock River working at our regular jobs. We sailed up here after work yesterday - a lovely 3 hour sail in 10 building to 20 kt wind. Today's our first real test of the Verizon National / Broadband system at anchor and thus far, things are going well. The power use seems to it's not too bad - and it's a gorgeous day outside w/ a light breeze - not as hot as it has been lately and quite comfortable below deck. Our friends who sailed over from England are anchored by us - they're going to swing by at lunchtime in their dinghy and we're heading over to the beach for a nice walk before getting back to the grindstone. Jeez, life's tough sometimes.... Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:37 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain Bob, Just out of curiosity, whose insurace, if any, covers that? Hank On 6/17/05, Robert Quinn wrote: > Rummy: You know how to hurt a guy. Our home is in total disarray > owing to the consequences of last years hurricanes. While we did not > suffer much damage directly from the hurricanes, when the roofing > company pulled the old shingles off of the roof about a month ago and > before they could get the protective "peel and stick" over the roof, > we got hit with a tremendous thunder storm which cause leaks all down > one side of our home. We were already in the process of updating our kitchen. Bottom line: too many > workers around the house to go sailing! {:>( > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain > > > > Michael, > > I got up yesterday, looked at my schedule and there was nothing on it. > > Highly unusual these days, so I spent the entire day on the lake. My > > GPS logged 32 miles, 3 of which were motoring. Winds were out of > > the southwest between 10 and 15 and I sailed until sunset. A very > > good day indeed. > > Would somebody please take the camera away from Ed? > > > > Rummy > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 17 12:07:41 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Fri Jun 17 11:07:53 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain References: <004001c57348$e85c2680$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <001601c5734e$4f02bcf0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Hank: Up to this point (no work yet accomplished to the damaged areas) the roofing company has assured us that they will cover the costs. I have not yet notified my home insurance carrier but I am considering doing just that (just in case). The roofing general contractor is supposed to be here next Tuesday. I'll make my decision based on how that meeting goes. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hank" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain Bob, Just out of curiosity, whose insurace, if any, covers that? Hank From trpclman at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 09:09:25 2005 From: trpclman at yahoo.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Fri Jun 17 11:09:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rappahannock Va and Melbourne Fla In-Reply-To: <000001c57333$de5b5120$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <20050617150926.92388.qmail@web54503.mail.yahoo.com> I'm in Sarasota, Florida (The Gulf coast), about 2 1/2 hours from Melbourne. There are a number of R22s in this area. I have a 1975 Rhodes Continental, and next to my slip there is a 1984 Rhodes. I have been restoring my Rhodes and I have been sailing it. My neighbor's Rhodes is in pretty good shape and makes mine look like the ugly duckling. I'm pretty sure that we could arrange a sail around the Sarasota Bay in either my boat or my neighbor's boat. Luis Guzman ed kroposki wrote: Kevin and Bud: I will reply to Kevin first. It is surprising that a Chesapeake Rhodie has not responded to you. Maybe it has to do with the subject line of your post. Many of Rhodies on this list do not read all post. But look for names of others in there area. There are many Rhodes 22's on the Chesapeake, most are north of you. However, there are some in your area. By identifying your area in the subject line, eventually you will catch their attention. Understand that there are many Rhodies who for various reasons are not on the Rhodes list. I estimated from my experience at the Annapolis Boat Show that there were three Rhodes owners at the show for every Rhodes owner who came to the show who was also on this list. Bud, That last paragraph applies to you. There are Rhodes 22's in Florida. Only a few are routinely on the list. Stan from General Boats was at the St. Petersburg boat show. He used to go to the Miami show, but that show is not interested in the little guy market. If you want to see a Rhodes 22 quickly, you might want to come to South Carolina where we have several on Lake Hartwell. See: www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/ Alternatively, Stan is based in the historic coastal town of Edenton, NC. If you visited him on a weekend, and cajoled him, he might be able to take you out in a boat on the Albemarle Sound near the plant. FYI see: www.edentonmarina.com/ http://www.edenton.com/ In this last respect, remember that General Boats is a tiny operation. Stan does not keep a fleet of boats for show. The last I knew, he kept an old boat at his house which he has been known to sail. Sometimes he is able to get a boat at the plant into the water to demonstrate, but do not count on it. By the way, the Rhodes 22 does not have tires. The trailers have tires, but kicking them is not the same as sailing a boat. I encourage you to visit one of us, or the maestro himself and go for a sail. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: "Blue water Navy truism: There are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky." - From an old carrier sailor __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 09:10:31 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 17 11:10:38 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Working from the boat - equipment In-Reply-To: <42b2e526.0da83d6e.4b52.ffff9159@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050617151031.48349.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark, Forgive me if you already posted this, but what card are you using? My buddy Ken is coming down this weekend and he's ready to set up a laptop for use from the lake. Based on my research, Cingular's system is nearly identical to Verizon's (Cingular has the best voice coverage on the lake but not sure about data). They are offering the Sierra Wireless 750 card for $50 after rebate with a two year contract. What kind of speed are you getting? Did you go for the unlimited download contract or something of a lesser amount? Does the use of the amplifier make much of a difference? Brad --- Mark Kaynor wrote: > Bob, Rummy, > > We, on the other hand, are riding at anchor in > Little Bay off the Chesapeake > just north of the Rappahannock River working at our > regular jobs. We sailed > up here after work yesterday - a lovely 3 hour sail > in 10 building to 20 kt > wind. > > Today's our first real test of the Verizon National > / Broadband system at > anchor and thus far, things are going well. The > power use seems to it's not > too bad - and it's a gorgeous day outside w/ a light > breeze - not as hot as > it has been lately and quite comfortable below deck. > > Our friends who sailed over from England are > anchored by us - they're going > to swing by at lunchtime in their dinghy and we're > heading over to the beach > for a nice walk before getting back to the > grindstone. Jeez, life's tough > sometimes.... > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Hank > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:37 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 > Captain > > Bob, > > Just out of curiosity, whose insurace, if any, > covers that? > > Hank > > On 6/17/05, Robert Quinn > wrote: > > Rummy: You know how to hurt a guy. Our home is > in total disarray > > owing to the consequences of last years > hurricanes. While we did not > > suffer much damage directly from the hurricanes, > when the roofing > > company pulled the old shingles off of the roof > about a month ago and > > before they could get the protective "peel and > stick" over the roof, > > we got hit with a tremendous thunder storm which > cause leaks all down > > one side of our home. We were already in the > process of updating our > kitchen. Bottom line: too many > > workers around the house to go sailing! {:>( > > > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 > Captain > > > > > > > Michael, > > > I got up yesterday, looked at my schedule and > there was nothing on it. > > > Highly unusual these days, so I spent the entire > day on the lake. My > > > GPS logged 32 miles, 3 of which were motoring. > Winds were out of > > > the southwest between 10 and 15 and I sailed > until sunset. A very > > > good day indeed. > > > Would somebody please take the camera away from > Ed? > > > > > > Rummy > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 17 12:12:51 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Fri Jun 17 11:13:03 2005 Subject: Working from the boat - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22Captain References: <42b2e526.0da83d6e.4b52.ffff9159@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001f01c5734f$07bf8610$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Mark and Julie: Wonderful! The only way to go. We are anxious for the fall to come so we can get back "out there." We're hoping to make the Bahamas in the Spring but will try a Biscayne Bay/Keys run shortly after the first of the year between 'nor'easters. We will hopefully get in some good weekend sails in the fall. Kathy has volunteered for Grandmother duties by taking care our son and daughter in laws expected baby (due late August) come November and December to delay the time before the baby goes to day care. Yes, we are "supposed to be retired!" Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kaynor" To: "'Hank'" ; "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: Working from the boat - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22Captain Bob, Rummy, We, on the other hand, are riding at anchor in Little Bay off the Chesapeake just north of the Rappahannock River working at our regular jobs. We sailed up here after work yesterday - a lovely 3 hour sail in 10 building to 20 kt wind. Today's our first real test of the Verizon National / Broadband system at anchor and thus far, things are going well. The power use seems to it's not too bad - and it's a gorgeous day outside w/ a light breeze - not as hot as it has been lately and quite comfortable below deck. Our friends who sailed over from England are anchored by us - they're going to swing by at lunchtime in their dinghy and we're heading over to the beach for a nice walk before getting back to the grindstone. Jeez, life's tough sometimes.... Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:37 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain Bob, Just out of curiosity, whose insurace, if any, covers that? Hank On 6/17/05, Robert Quinn wrote: > Rummy: You know how to hurt a guy. Our home is in total disarray > owing to the consequences of last years hurricanes. While we did not > suffer much damage directly from the hurricanes, when the roofing > company pulled the old shingles off of the roof about a month ago and > before they could get the protective "peel and stick" over the roof, > we got hit with a tremendous thunder storm which cause leaks all down > one side of our home. We were already in the process of updating our kitchen. Bottom line: too many > workers around the house to go sailing! {:>( > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain > > > > Michael, > > I got up yesterday, looked at my schedule and there was nothing on it. > > Highly unusual these days, so I spent the entire day on the lake. My > > GPS logged 32 miles, 3 of which were motoring. Winds were out of > > the southwest between 10 and 15 and I sailed until sunset. A very > > good day indeed. > > Would somebody please take the camera away from Ed? > > > > Rummy > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From wewickman at duke-energy.com Fri Jun 17 13:11:33 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Fri Jun 17 12:12:08 2005 Subject: Working from the boat - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain Message-ID: All you folks are just killing those of us that have to work on such a beautiful day!! Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | "Mark Kaynor" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/17/2005 10:58 AM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "'Hank'" , "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" | | cc: | | Subject: Working from the boat - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain | >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Bob, Rummy, We, on the other hand, are riding at anchor in Little Bay off the Chesapeake just north of the Rappahannock River working at our regular jobs. We sailed up here after work yesterday - a lovely 3 hour sail in 10 building to 20 kt wind. Today's our first real test of the Verizon National / Broadband system at anchor and thus far, things are going well. The power use seems to it's not too bad - and it's a gorgeous day outside w/ a light breeze - not as hot as it has been lately and quite comfortable below deck. Our friends who sailed over from England are anchored by us - they're going to swing by at lunchtime in their dinghy and we're heading over to the beach for a nice walk before getting back to the grindstone. Jeez, life's tough sometimes.... Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:37 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain Bob, Just out of curiosity, whose insurace, if any, covers that? Hank On 6/17/05, Robert Quinn wrote: > Rummy: You know how to hurt a guy. Our home is in total disarray > owing to the consequences of last years hurricanes. While we did not > suffer much damage directly from the hurricanes, when the roofing > company pulled the old shingles off of the roof about a month ago and > before they could get the protective "peel and stick" over the roof, > we got hit with a tremendous thunder storm which cause leaks all down > one side of our home. We were already in the process of updating our kitchen. Bottom line: too many > workers around the house to go sailing! {:>( > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain > > > > Michael, > > I got up yesterday, looked at my schedule and there was nothing on it. > > Highly unusual these days, so I spent the entire day on the lake. My > > GPS logged 32 miles, 3 of which were motoring. Winds were out of > > the southwest between 10 and 15 and I sailed until sunset. A very > > good day indeed. > > Would somebody please take the camera away from Ed? > > > > Rummy > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mkaynor at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 13:28:03 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Fri Jun 17 12:28:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Working from the boat - equipment In-Reply-To: <20050617151031.48349.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42b2fa21.60ce61a8.31d9.fffff7ce@mx.gmail.com> Brad, We're using the Novatel V620. We chose that card for a couple of reasons. It has the most common type of external antenna jack, and its antennas are fully enclosed in the card. The other cards w/ movable antennas or dual movable antennas may improve the signal a bit if your sitting at a desk. But if you're in a car or a boat, there's no need for adjustable antennas since you're moving all the time, anyway. The amplifiers make all the difference. We got the Inteligain DBA8-19 amps w/ their "trucker's antenna" - an additional $20 option that gives 7-12 db gain, according to Inteligain. We tested this anchorage from as close as we could get on land and had a marginal signal w/o the amplifier - w/ it, on the water, we're seeing 100% signal strength. The down side is it's shared bandwidth - so if a bunch of people start doing the same thing as us, our bandwidth will decrease accordingly. So no one get Verizon, okay? We both have unlimited contracts - it's a bundle of money - $160 / mo for the two of us - but we decided it was worth it to be able to spend more time on the boat at anchor. Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of brad haslett Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 11:11 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Working from the boat - equipment Mark, Forgive me if you already posted this, but what card are you using? My buddy Ken is coming down this weekend and he's ready to set up a laptop for use from the lake. Based on my research, Cingular's system is nearly identical to Verizon's (Cingular has the best voice coverage on the lake but not sure about data). They are offering the Sierra Wireless 750 card for $50 after rebate with a two year contract. What kind of speed are you getting? Did you go for the unlimited download contract or something of a lesser amount? Does the use of the amplifier make much of a difference? Brad --- Mark Kaynor wrote: > Bob, Rummy, > > We, on the other hand, are riding at anchor in Little Bay off the > Chesapeake just north of the Rappahannock River working at our regular > jobs. We sailed up here after work yesterday - a lovely 3 hour sail in > 10 building to 20 kt wind. > > Today's our first real test of the Verizon National / Broadband system > at anchor and thus far, things are going well. The power use seems to > it's not too bad - and it's a gorgeous day outside w/ a light breeze - > not as hot as it has been lately and quite comfortable below deck. > > Our friends who sailed over from England are anchored by us - they're > going to swing by at lunchtime in their dinghy and we're heading over > to the beach for a nice walk before getting back to the grindstone. > Jeez, life's tough sometimes.... > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:37 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain > > Bob, > > Just out of curiosity, whose insurace, if any, covers that? > > Hank > > On 6/17/05, Robert Quinn > wrote: > > Rummy: You know how to hurt a guy. Our home is > in total disarray > > owing to the consequences of last years > hurricanes. While we did not > > suffer much damage directly from the hurricanes, > when the roofing > > company pulled the old shingles off of the roof > about a month ago and > > before they could get the protective "peel and > stick" over the roof, > > we got hit with a tremendous thunder storm which > cause leaks all down > > one side of our home. We were already in the > process of updating our > kitchen. Bottom line: too many > > workers around the house to go sailing! {:>( > > > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 > Captain > > > > > > > Michael, > > > I got up yesterday, looked at my schedule and > there was nothing on it. > > > Highly unusual these days, so I spent the entire > day on the lake. My > > > GPS logged 32 miles, 3 of which were motoring. > Winds were out of > > > the southwest between 10 and 15 and I sailed > until sunset. A very > > > good day indeed. > > > Would somebody please take the camera away from > Ed? > > > > > > Rummy > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From sandcity at comcast.net Fri Jun 17 21:42:48 2005 From: sandcity at comcast.net (sandcity@comcast.net) Date: Fri Jun 17 16:43:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rappahannock Va and Melbourne Fla Message-ID: <061720052042.5114.42B335C80009F074000013FA2207021553979B070C0B020E9C@comcast.net> Ed I signed on to the list in early May using a different e mail address and did hear from other sailors in the area. I also met Rose, another new Rhodes owner who sails on the Northern Neck. > > Kevin and Bud: > I will reply to Kevin first. It is surprising that a Chesapeake > Rhodie has not responded to you. Maybe it has to do with the subject line > of your post. Many of Rhodies on this list do not read all post. But look > for names of others in there area. There are many Rhodes 22's on the > Chesapeake, most are north of you. However, there are some in your area. > By identifying your area in the subject line, eventually you will catch > their attention. > Understand that there are many Rhodies who for various reasons are > not on the Rhodes list. I estimated from my experience at the Annapolis > Boat Show that there were three Rhodes owners at the show for every Rhodes > owner who came to the show who was also on this list. > > Bud, > That last paragraph applies to you. There are Rhodes 22's in > Florida. Only a few are routinely on the list. Stan from General Boats was > at the St. Petersburg boat show. He used to go to the Miami show, but that > show is not interested in the little guy market. > If you want to see a Rhodes 22 quickly, you might want to come to > South Carolina where we have several on Lake Hartwell. See: > www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/ > > Alternatively, Stan is based in the historic coastal town of > Edenton, NC. If you visited him on a weekend, and cajoled him, he might be > able to take you out in a boat on the Albemarle Sound near the plant. FYI > see: > www.edentonmarina.com/ > http://www.edenton.com/ > In this last respect, remember that General Boats is a tiny > operation. Stan does not keep a fleet of boats for show. The last I knew, > he kept an old boat at his house which he has been known to sail. Sometimes > he is able to get a boat at the plant into the water to demonstrate, but do > not count on it. > By the way, the Rhodes 22 does not have tires. The trailers have > tires, but kicking them is not the same as sailing a boat. I encourage you > to visit one of us, or the maestro himself and go for a sail. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Addendum: "Blue water Navy truism: There are more planes in the ocean than > submarines in the sky." > - From an old carrier sailor > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Fri Jun 17 17:11:59 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Fri Jun 17 17:12:07 2005 Subject: Working from the boat - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain In-Reply-To: <42b2e526.0da83d6e.4b52.ffff9159@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mark and Rummy Sweet! I still haven't actually sailed yet. Hopefully Sunday's the big day. Slim On 6/17/05 9:58 AM, "Mark Kaynor" wrote: > Bob, Rummy, > > We, on the other hand, are riding at anchor in Little Bay off the Chesapeake > just north of the Rappahannock River working at our regular jobs. We sailed > up here after work yesterday - a lovely 3 hour sail in 10 building to 20 kt > wind. > > Today's our first real test of the Verizon National / Broadband system at > anchor and thus far, things are going well. The power use seems to it's not > too bad - and it's a gorgeous day outside w/ a light breeze - not as hot as > it has been lately and quite comfortable below deck. > > Our friends who sailed over from England are anchored by us - they're going > to swing by at lunchtime in their dinghy and we're heading over to the beach > for a nice walk before getting back to the grindstone. Jeez, life's tough > sometimes.... > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:37 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain > > Bob, > > Just out of curiosity, whose insurace, if any, covers that? > > Hank > > On 6/17/05, Robert Quinn wrote: >> Rummy: You know how to hurt a guy. Our home is in total disarray >> owing to the consequences of last years hurricanes. While we did not >> suffer much damage directly from the hurricanes, when the roofing >> company pulled the old shingles off of the roof about a month ago and >> before they could get the protective "peel and stick" over the roof, >> we got hit with a tremendous thunder storm which cause leaks all down >> one side of our home. We were already in the process of updating our > kitchen. Bottom line: too many >> workers around the house to go sailing! {:>( >> >> Bob on the "NoKaOi" >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain >> >> >>> Michael, >>> I got up yesterday, looked at my schedule and there was nothing on it. >>> Highly unusual these days, so I spent the entire day on the lake. My >>> GPS logged 32 miles, 3 of which were motoring. Winds were out of >>> the southwest between 10 and 15 and I sailed until sunset. A very >>> good day indeed. >>> Would somebody please take the camera away from Ed? >>> >>> Rummy >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rcbrower at optonline.net Fri Jun 17 18:47:24 2005 From: rcbrower at optonline.net (Robert Brower) Date: Fri Jun 17 17:47:46 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodie Message-ID: <000601c57386$28784630$58157245@browerbrs> Hello, I have been sailing on the South Bay of L.I. NY for the last 30 years in a light daysailer with no motor. A few weeks ago my wife and I took possession of a beautiful restored 200l Rhodes 22. We have a slip in East Patchogue, and for this year plan to sail mainly in the Great South Bay. Are there other Rhodes 22 owners in the area? Where are your favorite sailing areas? Bob & Hilja From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 17 23:09:41 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 17 22:10:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing on Lake Hartwell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c573aa$ee7f93a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Slim: Slim: If you had been here, you could have sailed all week. I just got back from my second late afternoon sail this week. Today it started with stop and go, that is go for 100 yards and the wind would drop off, wait a couple of minutes and go for another 100 yards. Ironically, the sail stayed full waiting for the next puff. It took a while to sail out of Big Water, but then the breeze picked up and continued. I found the Shuck's Red Rhodes. Forlornly parked by it's dock. I could hear 'I want to sail' in the wind there, so I headed out across the lake. Ed K Great breezes on Lake Hartwell.... -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 5:12 PM To: Rhodes Subject: Re: Working from the boat - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] ExperiencedRhodes 22 Captain Mark and Rummy Sweet! I still haven't actually sailed yet. Hopefully Sunday's the big day. Slim On 6/17/05 9:58 AM, "Mark Kaynor" Message-ID: Ed, you really know how to hurt a guy. Here's some whether stats from MN: the last time we had four days in a row without rain was April 4, 5, 6, 7. We've had rain 30 days of the last 45. We're finally hitting the 80's this week for the first time since, well...I don't remember. We launched Fandango a couple weeks ago and she's waiting at the dock but still no sailing whether. I can't even take my little fishing boat out on the Mississippi because all the rain has swelled the rivers to the point where they've closed the locks and dams to recreational boats, and there's too much debris floating down the river as well as dangerous shoals and sandbars--it's not very safe. We usually see this in March, not June. But we're finally getting some nice whether this week and I'm crossing my fingers for a sail on Sunday. But the bad news about good whether is that it keeps people OUT of the nightclubs. Tonight was dreadfully slow at the club. I'm screwed either way! 8-( Slim On 6/17/05 9:09 PM, "ed kroposki" wrote: > Slim: > Slim: > > If you had been here, you could have sailed all week. I just got > back from my second late afternoon sail this week. Today it started with > stop and go, that is go for 100 yards and the wind would drop off, wait a > couple of minutes and go for another 100 yards. Ironically, the sail stayed > full waiting for the next puff. > It took a while to sail out of Big Water, but then the breeze picked > up and continued. I found the Shuck's Red Rhodes. Forlornly parked by it's > dock. I could hear 'I want to sail' in the wind there, so I headed out > across the lake. > > Ed K > Great breezes on Lake Hartwell.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 5:12 PM > To: Rhodes > Subject: Re: Working from the boat - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] > ExperiencedRhodes 22 Captain > > Mark and Rummy > > Sweet! > > I still haven't actually sailed yet. Hopefully Sunday's the big day. > > Slim > > On 6/17/05 9:58 AM, "Mark Kaynor" > Bob, Rummy, > > We, on the other hand, are riding at anchor in Little Bay off the > Chesapeake > just north of the Rappahannock River working at our regular jobs. We sailed > up here after work yesterday - a lovely 3 hour sail in 10 building to 20 kt > wind. > > Today's our first real test of the Verizon National / Broadband system at > anchor and thus far, things are going well. The power use seems to it's not > too bad - and it's a gorgeous day outside w/ a light breeze - not as hot as > it has been lately and quite comfortable below deck. > > Our friends who sailed over from England are anchored by us - they're going > to swing by at lunchtime in their dinghy and we're heading over to the > beach > for a nice walk before getting back to the grindstone. Jeez, life's tough > sometimes.... > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:37 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain > > Bob, > > Just out of curiosity, whose insurace, if any, covers that? > > Hank > > On 6/17/05, Robert Quinn Rummy: You know how to hurt a guy. Our home is in total disarray > owing to the consequences of last years hurricanes. While we did not > suffer much damage directly from the hurricanes, when the roofing > company pulled the old shingles off of the roof about a month ago and > before they could get the protective "peel and stick" over the roof, > we got hit with a tremendous thunder storm which cause leaks all down > one side of our home. We were already in the process of updating our > kitchen. Bottom line: too many > workers around the house to go sailing! {:( > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain > > > Michael, > I got up yesterday, looked at my schedule and there was nothing on it. > Highly unusual these days, so I spent the entire day on the lake. My > GPS logged 32 miles, 3 of which were motoring. Winds were out of > the southwest between 10 and 15 and I sailed until sunset. A very > good day indeed. > Would somebody please take the camera away from Ed? > > Rummy > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Sat Jun 18 03:48:54 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sat Jun 18 03:49:06 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Piano on KSLM Message-ID: The Rhodes piano was one of the earliest and venerable electronic pianos. Instead of the hammer striking strings, the hammer struck tines--like a tuning fork except one prong instead of two. Here's a fine example: http://home.mn.rr.com/kslm/Brandy.mp3 From fwillson at adelphia.net Sat Jun 18 17:45:56 2005 From: fwillson at adelphia.net (fwillson@adelphia.net) Date: Sat Jun 18 16:46:03 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a Rhodes 22 Message-ID: <32480778.1119127556409.JavaMail.root@web2.mail.adelphia.net> ---- Bud Connor wrote: > Hello, > I am looking to purchase a Rhodes 22, but first would like to see > one and kick the tires (gently of course). Are there any Rhodes 22 > owners/boats along the East Coast of Florida that I could visit? > > Thanks! > Martin (Bud) Connor > Melbourne, FL I have one in CT! Thanks, Fred > (321) 255-3945 > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Sat Jun 18 17:45:03 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sat Jun 18 17:45:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbelievable Spam Message-ID: Today I've received over a hundred emails advertising prescription drugs. The emails are all identical except all came from different addresses and have different subjects lines. This is insidious! It's apparently being proliferated like a virus or something. It's time to figure out how to use my filter (MS Entourage). Obviously I can't filter by address because they're all different and unique addresses. Nor can I filter by subject because they're unique too I applied "average sensitivity" to the junk mail filter and I've created a "rule" to delete messages from those not in my address book and contain the word "prescription." I hope I've done my settings right. As a test, please, will somebody who's never sent me a message back channel before, send me a message containing the word "prescription"? Send to salm@mn.rr.com I shouldn't get those. So I won't know if you sent it. Maybe you could send a second message to let me know. Also, Rummy, Bill, Brad, Mark, Rik or Julie -- you folks and some other Rhodies are all in my address book and the rule is not supposed to apply. Would a couple of you please back channel me with the word "prescription"? I should get those. Thanks in advance for helping, Slim P.S. I'll probably do the same thing with the words "mortgage" and "home business" From ekroposki at charter.net Sat Jun 18 19:55:20 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Sat Jun 18 18:55:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbelievable Slim In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c57458$d0c1c0f0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Do you still get the list? Maybe word has gotten out that you need some sort of medicine. We need a report on Rummy. I believe he was the deck hand in a big boat race. Since he was the deck hand it would not matter who was buying after race amenities, so it may be another day for a report. Ed K -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 5:45 PM To: Rhodes Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbelievable Spam Today I've received over a hundred emails advertising prescription drugs. The emails are all identical except all came from different addresses and have different subjects lines. This is insidious! It's apparently being proliferated like a virus or something. It's time to figure out how to use my filter (MS Entourage). Obviously I can't filter by address because they're all different and unique addresses. Nor can I filter by subject because they're unique too I applied "average sensitivity" to the junk mail filter and I've created a "rule" to delete messages from those not in my address book and contain the word "prescription." I hope I've done my settings right. As a test, please, will somebody who's never sent me a message back channel before, send me a message containing the word "prescription"? Send to salm@mn.rr.com I shouldn't get those. So I won't know if you sent it. Maybe you could send a second message to let me know. Also, Rummy, Bill, Brad, Mark, Rik or Julie -- you folks and some other Rhodies are all in my address book and the rule is not supposed to apply. Would a couple of you please back channel me with the word "prescription"? I should get those. Thanks in advance for helping, Slim P.S. I'll probably do the same thing with the words "mortgage" and "home business" __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Sat Jun 18 22:23:44 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 18 21:24:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbelievable Slim Message-ID: <211.3199ddc.2fe62320@aol.com> Rummy had a great day crewing on a Hunter 37. Not much wind, but we didn't care as the rum flowed freely. A good time was had by all......until the lightning started coming across the lake. That damn diesel engine sure can move the boat quickly when necessary. Rummy From r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com Sun Jun 19 00:41:39 2005 From: r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com (Bob Keller) Date: Sat Jun 18 23:41:46 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain In-Reply-To: <000001c572a5$1cee0b60$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: One thing the picture does not tell us is that the captain actually thought he was sailing into Portman Marina and was searching desperately for his slip... He even thought he was sailing though the motor was on and sails were furled... Bob K Yankee Clipper >From: "ed kroposki" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain >Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:56:25 -0400 > > > > > > Attached are two pictures of an experienced Rhodes 22 Captain sailing >into Big Water Marina. These were taken Thursday, June 16, 2005 about >10:30 >AM. > > These are submitted to the list as proof of experience and possession >of a Rhodes 22 sailboat thereby authenticating his knowledge of sailing >this >boat. > > > >Newbies can see his pictures of boom and pop top hardware and other rigging >at: > >http://members8.clubphoto.com/kimberly513138/687351/guest.phtml > > > >See: http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm > > > >Ed K > >Greenville, SC, USA > > > >Name: Rum Runner coming into Big Water.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2534938 >bytes Desc: not available >Url: >http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/16/RumRunnercomingintoBigWater.jpg >Name: Famous R22 at Big Water.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1375391 bytes >Desc: not available >Url: >http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/16/FamousR22atBigWater.jpg >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Sun Jun 19 03:22:29 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sun Jun 19 03:22:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbelievable Spam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: WOW! Just in the last 10 hours or so that I last posted, I've received 67 of the same identical emails. The filter is working, but it doesn't really delete the messages, it just moves them to a different folder--the "Deleted Items" folder. But that's OK, because I can quickly scan for any messages that might be wanted or if not, I can "empty the trash" much easier than deleting each one from my inbox. Thanks to those who responded. Slim On 6/18/05 4:45 PM, "Slim" wrote: > Today I've received over a hundred emails advertising prescription drugs. > The emails are all identical except all came from different addresses and > have different subjects lines. This is insidious! It's apparently being > proliferated like a virus or something. > > It's time to figure out how to use my filter (MS Entourage). Obviously I > can't filter by address because they're all different and unique addresses. > Nor can I filter by subject because they're unique too I applied "average > sensitivity" to the junk mail filter and I've created a "rule" to delete > messages from those not in my address book and contain the word > "prescription." > > I hope I've done my settings right. As a test, please, will somebody who's > never sent me a message back channel before, send me a message containing > the word "prescription"? Send to salm@mn.rr.com > I shouldn't get those. So I won't know if you sent it. Maybe you could > send a second message to let me know. > > Also, Rummy, Bill, Brad, Mark, Rik or Julie -- you folks and some other > Rhodies are all in my address book and the rule is not supposed to apply. > Would a couple of you please back channel me with the word "prescription"? > I should get those. > > Thanks in advance for helping, > > Slim > > P.S. I'll probably do the same thing with the words "mortgage" and "home > business" > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Sun Jun 19 04:42:21 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sun Jun 19 04:42:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbelievable Slim In-Reply-To: <000601c57458$d0c1c0f0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Ed, There's no doubt I need medicating from time to time. 8-) Slim On 6/18/05 5:55 PM, "ed kroposki" wrote: > Do you still get the list? Maybe word has gotten out that you need > some sort of medicine. > We need a report on Rummy. I believe he was the deck hand in a big > boat race. Since he was the deck hand it would not matter who was buying > after race amenities, so it may be another day for a report. > > Ed K > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 5:45 PM > To: Rhodes > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbelievable Spam > > Today I've received over a hundred emails advertising prescription drugs. > The emails are all identical except all came from different addresses and > have different subjects lines. This is insidious! It's apparently being > proliferated like a virus or something. > > It's time to figure out how to use my filter (MS Entourage). Obviously I > can't filter by address because they're all different and unique addresses. > Nor can I filter by subject because they're unique too I applied "average > sensitivity" to the junk mail filter and I've created a "rule" to delete > messages from those not in my address book and contain the word > "prescription." > > I hope I've done my settings right. As a test, please, will somebody who's > never sent me a message back channel before, send me a message containing > the word "prescription"? Send to salm@mn.rr.com > I shouldn't get those. So I won't know if you sent it. Maybe you could > send a second message to let me know. > > Also, Rummy, Bill, Brad, Mark, Rik or Julie -- you folks and some other > Rhodies are all in my address book and the rule is not supposed to apply. > Would a couple of you please back channel me with the word "prescription"? > I should get those. > > Thanks in advance for helping, > > Slim > > P.S. I'll probably do the same thing with the words "mortgage" and "home > business" > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Sun Jun 19 07:45:47 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 19 06:45:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Experienced Rhodes 22 Captain Message-ID: <25.61c68e35.2fe6a6db@aol.com> Captain Bob. The pictures was taken at 10:30 in the morning. Even for me, this would be a little early to be impaired. It happened a few hours later. Rummy From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Sun Jun 19 09:46:28 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (Michael Meltzer) Date: Sun Jun 19 08:46:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbelievable Spam References: Message-ID: <002801c574cc$e9707960$6501a8c0@mjm2> it is a virus, the "new" game in town is when a machine is taken over from a virus they get turned in "zombes" that send out spam(45+%) now. The old method was to use spam friendly ISP but most of them have been blocked by "blackhole" lists. Now they use hikacked machines to get it out, either directly from the 'clean' address of the hijacket machine or thought the "good" upstream ISP. What I want to know. "How does the world know I I have a small dick, who can not keep it up, can not satify my woman, my manhood is en dangered, and likes machinalc devices", I get letters every hour about it, how do they know???? MJM PS. for what it is worth, I reject about 5000 emails a day for spam vs the 1500+- real ones. And that is based on address alone, about another 10% are spam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slim" To: "Rhodes" Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unbelievable Spam > Today I've received over a hundred emails advertising prescription drugs. > The emails are all identical except all came from different addresses and > have different subjects lines. This is insidious! It's apparently being > proliferated like a virus or something. > > It's time to figure out how to use my filter (MS Entourage). Obviously I > can't filter by address because they're all different and unique addresses. > Nor can I filter by subject because they're unique too I applied "average > sensitivity" to the junk mail filter and I've created a "rule" to delete > messages from those not in my address book and contain the word > "prescription." > > I hope I've done my settings right. As a test, please, will somebody who's > never sent me a message back channel before, send me a message containing > the word "prescription"? Send to salm@mn.rr.com > I shouldn't get those. So I won't know if you sent it. Maybe you could > send a second message to let me know. > > Also, Rummy, Bill, Brad, Mark, Rik or Julie -- you folks and some other > Rhodies are all in my address book and the rule is not supposed to apply. > Would a couple of you please back channel me with the word "prescription"? > I should get those. > > Thanks in advance for helping, > > Slim > > P.S. I'll probably do the same thing with the words "mortgage" and "home > business" > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From 3drecon at comcast.net Sun Jun 19 09:56:26 2005 From: 3drecon at comcast.net (Philip Esteban) Date: Sun Jun 19 08:56:41 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list]-To BRAD In-Reply-To: <20050611024705.56076.qmail@web32909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c574ce$4e664f60$4192f504@yourb8ed622a9f> I was at Parris Island two weeks after High School. I was the oldest and my mother was glad to see me go. The Marines was good for me at just the right time. Philip -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:47 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD Phillip, I thought my old man was a bad ass, all the stories about the Great Depression and WW2 duty. Alex has been spared nothing. If anyone has a some good ideas about this fatherhood thing, give me clue. I was the most fortunate son, last in line of children who had tested their parents. When I told my mother that she HAD to drive me to the airport for flying lessons at 15 she was like, "whatever, just be gone when your 18!" Brad --- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: > Brad, > > I'm not sure I want you to repeat it ;'). I > have two boys and I have a > similar problem. The oldest barely gets out of bed > and the younger is > always on the computer designing games and > consistantly makes the honour > roll at school. Hopefully they will both find their > sweet spot. Recent > photos showed a huge cache of weapons captured and a > bunch of high level > badies. Hopefully that will slow them down a bit. > Keep in mind that 48% > (and at times higher) are Reserve and National > Guard. The Guard and Reserve > jokes have pretty much stopped. > That said, the Air National Guard is not a bad > choice, especially with > the school perks. Most states waive tuition at > state universities if you > are in the Guard. With recruiting down there may be > more incentives down > the road. > Before I was mobilized my part time job was > projectionist at the Fairfax > Square Theatres in Tyson's Corner. I was the main > projectionist there for > several years. I don't know if the job will be > there when I get back > though. > According to my Air Force (and Air Guard) > acquaintances all pilots are > prima donnas who drain resources from the really > important stuff. That's > not true ;'0! > > Philip > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf > Of brad haslett > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:49 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on > WMD-To BRAD > > > Phillip, > > Thanks for the "gouge". He put in an application at > FedEx this week to work in the hub. I can't do > anything to accelerate his hiring - if they find out > his dad is a crewmember it would probably be the > kiss > of death - the company always blames us prima donnas > for everyone else not getting a raise. We're in > contract negotiations right now so the same old BS > is > flying. Anyway, I think Alex's best bet would be to > get on here and then join the local Air National > Guard > unit. They just got C5's and are building a new > airport facility (we're getting their old one). I > work > with a lot of the officers in the unit and could > provide some help there. He's already said he > doesn't > want to get stuck on a boat. His grandfather on his > mother's side is retired Army Special Forces. He's > said much the same thing to him as you did about the > Army. Unfortunately, I didn't do a very good job of > dividing up the work ethic and motivation between my > two sons. The oldest I have to throttle back > constantly and the youngest seems to always need a > kick in the ass. Right now the youngest is > discovering the joys of poverty and has finally > figured out he needs to do something. > > If Alex can get on at the hub and in the Memphis > Guard > it will be the best of both worlds. FedEx will pay > for college as well as the Guard. I promised to put > the equivalent amount in an IRA for him. Of course > at > 19 he has no idea what an IRA is or why anyone would > want to put money away that couldn't be spent for 40 > years. The Memphis Guard has been getting activated > alot lately but mostly its trips to the desert and > back. I met a guy in the bar at Tysons Corner > outside > DC last night who's made some trips to/from Baghdad. > He said the airport was opening up to passenger > traffic this week but they're still using special > approach procedures. There are a lot of SAMs out > there and still unaccounted for Stingers from > Afghanastan. After seeing the photos and reading > the > story of the DHL Airbus that took a missle through > the > engine, I'm glad I don't fly there. My biggest worry > is making sure that when I get up in the middle of > the > night to go pee, I'm really in the bathroom (long > story from before you arrived here that I don't want > to repeat.) > > Brad > > --- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Brad, > > It is a good move to push the Air Force. > After > > 31 years of both USMC > > and US Army service, I would not counsel any young > > person to join the Army > > (the reasons are too long to go into here). I do > > tell the kids if they are > > full of P*ss and Vinegar and want to Shoot, Move > and > > Communicate, the USMC > > is their best prospect for training and esprit de > > corps, however; if they > > want a good tour, making the same money, in decent > > quarters and great > > training/education opportunities, the Air Force is > > the way to go. The Navy > > is ok, but you spend a lot of time on "floats". > In > > the end, if you are > > injured or wounded, the Army tends to kick you to > > the kerb. You can > > ultimately get treated but you have to fight for > it. > > The pat' answer is "go > > to the VA". > > > > Philip > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > Behalf > > Of brad haslett > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:50 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on > > WMD > > > > > > Wally, > > > > First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' > Ford? > > You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying > that > > in > > this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be > a > > nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if > > not > > something bigger down the road. Bad timing for > him. > > His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail > > for > > being a crook, but for the race card which will > > surely be played, just like it was for Harold, > > Senior. > > I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his > > secure > > congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's > his > > life. The only Republican announced against him > is > > that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. > > > > I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long > > row > > to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of > > enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but > we'll > > see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" > > between your political beliefs and reality. > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > --- Wally Buck wrote: > > > > > Brad, > > > > > > My nephew emails me every month or so with > updates > > > from Iraq. It does seem > > > we are making progress. In the end history will > be > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From 3drecon at comcast.net Sun Jun 19 09:57:10 2005 From: 3drecon at comcast.net (Philip Esteban) Date: Sun Jun 19 08:57:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] To Bill, one L In-Reply-To: <42AA5A03.4040209@effros.com> Message-ID: <000101c574ce$68c65300$4192f504@yourb8ed622a9f> Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Bill Effros Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:27 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD One "L". brad haslett wrote: >Phillip, > >I thought my old man was a bad ass, all the stories >about the Great Depression and WW2 duty. Alex has >been spared nothing. If anyone has a some good ideas >about this fatherhood thing, give me clue. > >I was the most fortunate son, last in line of children >who had tested their parents. When I told my mother >that she HAD to drive me to the airport for flying >lessons at 15 she was like, "whatever, just be gone >when your 18!" > >Brad > > > >--- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: > > > >>Brad, >> >> I'm not sure I want you to repeat it ;'). I >>have two boys and I have a >>similar problem. The oldest barely gets out of bed >>and the younger is >>always on the computer designing games and >>consistantly makes the honour >>roll at school. Hopefully they will both find their >>sweet spot. Recent >>photos showed a huge cache of weapons captured and a >>bunch of high level >>badies. Hopefully that will slow them down a bit. >>Keep in mind that 48% >>(and at times higher) are Reserve and National >>Guard. The Guard and Reserve >>jokes have pretty much stopped. >> That said, the Air National Guard is not a bad >>choice, especially with >>the school perks. Most states waive tuition at >>state universities if you >>are in the Guard. With recruiting down there may be >>more incentives down >>the road. >> Before I was mobilized my part time job was >>projectionist at the Fairfax >>Square Theatres in Tyson's Corner. I was the main >>projectionist there for >>several years. I don't know if the job will be >>there when I get back >>though. >> According to my Air Force (and Air Guard) >>acquaintances all pilots are >>prima donnas who drain resources from the really >>important stuff. That's >>not true ;'0! >> >>Philip >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf >>Of brad haslett >>Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:49 AM >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on >>WMD-To BRAD >> >> >>Phillip, >> >>Thanks for the "gouge". He put in an application at >>FedEx this week to work in the hub. I can't do >>anything to accelerate his hiring - if they find out >>his dad is a crewmember it would probably be the >>kiss >>of death - the company always blames us prima donnas >>for everyone else not getting a raise. We're in >>contract negotiations right now so the same old BS >>is >>flying. Anyway, I think Alex's best bet would be to >>get on here and then join the local Air National >>Guard >>unit. They just got C5's and are building a new >>airport facility (we're getting their old one). I >>work >>with a lot of the officers in the unit and could >>provide some help there. He's already said he >>doesn't >>want to get stuck on a boat. His grandfather on his >>mother's side is retired Army Special Forces. He's >>said much the same thing to him as you did about the >>Army. Unfortunately, I didn't do a very good job of >>dividing up the work ethic and motivation between my >>two sons. The oldest I have to throttle back >>constantly and the youngest seems to always need a >>kick in the ass. Right now the youngest is >>discovering the joys of poverty and has finally >>figured out he needs to do something. >> >>If Alex can get on at the hub and in the Memphis >>Guard >>it will be the best of both worlds. FedEx will pay >>for college as well as the Guard. I promised to put >>the equivalent amount in an IRA for him. Of course >>at >>19 he has no idea what an IRA is or why anyone would >>want to put money away that couldn't be spent for 40 >>years. The Memphis Guard has been getting activated >>alot lately but mostly its trips to the desert and >>back. I met a guy in the bar at Tysons Corner >>outside >>DC last night who's made some trips to/from Baghdad. >>He said the airport was opening up to passenger >>traffic this week but they're still using special >>approach procedures. There are a lot of SAMs out >>there and still unaccounted for Stingers from >>Afghanastan. After seeing the photos and reading >>the >>story of the DHL Airbus that took a missle through >>the >>engine, I'm glad I don't fly there. My biggest worry >>is making sure that when I get up in the middle of >>the >>night to go pee, I'm really in the bathroom (long >>story from before you arrived here that I don't want >>to repeat.) >> >>Brad >> >>--- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>>Brad, >>> It is a good move to push the Air Force. >>> >>> >>After >> >> >>>31 years of both USMC >>>and US Army service, I would not counsel any young >>>person to join the Army >>>(the reasons are too long to go into here). I do >>>tell the kids if they are >>>full of P*ss and Vinegar and want to Shoot, Move >>> >>> >>and >> >> >>>Communicate, the USMC >>>is their best prospect for training and esprit de >>>corps, however; if they >>>want a good tour, making the same money, in decent >>>quarters and great >>>training/education opportunities, the Air Force is >>>the way to go. The Navy >>>is ok, but you spend a lot of time on "floats". >>> >>> >>In >> >> >>>the end, if you are >>>injured or wounded, the Army tends to kick you to >>>the kerb. You can >>>ultimately get treated but you have to fight for >>> >>> >>it. >> >> >>> The pat' answer is "go >>>to the VA". >>> >>>Philip >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On >>> >>> >>Behalf >> >> >>>Of brad haslett >>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:50 PM >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on >>>WMD >>> >>> >>>Wally, >>> >>>First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' >>> >>> >>Ford? >> >> >>>You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>in >>>this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be >>> >>> >>a >> >> >>>nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if >>>not >>>something bigger down the road. Bad timing for >>> >>> >>him. >> >> >>>His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail >>>for >>>being a crook, but for the race card which will >>>surely be played, just like it was for Harold, >>>Senior. >>> I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his >>>secure >>>congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's >>> >>> >>his >> >> >>>life. The only Republican announced against him >>> >>> >>is >> >> >>>that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. >>> >>>I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long >>>row >>>to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of >>>enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but >>> >>> >>we'll >> >> >>>see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" >>>between your political beliefs and reality. >>> >>>Brad >>> >>> >>> >>>--- Wally Buck wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Brad, >>>> >>>>My nephew emails me every month or so with >>>> >>>> >>updates >> >> >>>>from Iraq. It does seem >>>>we are making progress. In the end history will >>>> >>>> >>be >> >> >> >=== message truncated === > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From 3drecon at comcast.net Sun Jun 19 10:00:02 2005 From: 3drecon at comcast.net (Philip Esteban) Date: Sun Jun 19 09:00:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Fwd: For sale] - Question In-Reply-To: <42AA5FB6.9050402@effros.com> Message-ID: <000201c574ce$ceb06980$4192f504@yourb8ed622a9f> Bill, Thanks. Right now I am in Conn. My aunt passed away (the last on my mother's side) and things are extremely hectic. My biggest problem right now is where to park the darn thing. I live in an assoc. neighborhood in VA and they won't let us put anything in the yard or on the road. I have checked out local marinas while on pass but no one has any room. I think I'll have to go south. Philip -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Bill Effros Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:51 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Fwd: For sale] - Question Philip, Rhodes Continental is the earlier name for General Boats' Rhodes-22. Same hull shape designed by Philip Rhodes. Earlier versions of everything Stan puts into the hull. I spoke with Fred earlier this evening. If the boat floats it's worth the money. He has 2 people interested in it. He spent around $900 rebuilding the trailer which he believes is home made. Rummy, Ed, and I all have earlier versions of the Nissan motor, and we're all thrilled with it. If you are interested in the boat, call Fred and make a fast deal. I'm about 100 miles away, and I can help you with the logistics. Bill Effros Philip Esteban wrote: >What is a Rhodes Continental and how does it differ from a Rhodes22? > >Philip > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of michael meltzer >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:43 PM >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] [Fwd: For sale] > > > >he sent it to the wrong address, forwarding it for him -mjm > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: For sale >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:15:42 -0400 >From: >To: > > > >Hi, I just spoke w/ Elton at General Boats. He suggested that I >circulate this advertisement: 1976 Rhodes Continental, w/ '02 Nissan 8HP >w/ elect. start, roller furling, VHF, rebulit trailer. Boat located in >CT. Good condition for vintage $3,400 >My number: 860-537-9100. Thanks for your consideration. Fred Willson >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From 3drecon at comcast.net Sun Jun 19 10:21:50 2005 From: 3drecon at comcast.net (Philip Esteban) Date: Sun Jun 19 09:22:20 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD In-Reply-To: <13297669.1118495734879.JavaMail.root@wamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000301c574d1$da884e00$4192f504@yourb8ed622a9f> I used to tell people if you are not Infantry you are support. When you really look at it, that is what it is all about. Everything is there to support the Infantry. Those guys take the brunt of everything. By the way, the Air Force is not really a legal institution. The Army and the Navy were established under the Constitution of the United States. The Air Force was separated from the Army by Executive Order. There really should be a Constitutional Amendment. Philip -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:16 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD Brad and Philip, He ha ha sometimes ya just gotta chuckle. "According to my Air Force (and Air Guard) acquaintances all pilots are prima donnas who drain resources from the really important stuff. That's not true ;'0!" I wonder, without those "prima donna" pilots, what would be the point of doing all that "really important stuff"??? It's amazing somethimes how people are unable to uh .....connect the dots. Rik -----Original Message----- From: Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> Sent: Jun 10, 2005 9:29 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD Brad, I'm not sure I want you to repeat it ;'). I have two boys and I have a similar problem. The oldest barely gets out of bed and the younger is always on the computer designing games and consistantly makes the honour roll at school. Hopefully they will both find their sweet spot. Recent photos showed a huge cache of weapons captured and a bunch of high level badies. Hopefully that will slow them down a bit. Keep in mind that 48% (and at times higher) are Reserve and National Guard. The Guard and Reserve jokes have pretty much stopped. That said, the Air National Guard is not a bad choice, especially with the school perks. Most states waive tuition at state universities if you are in the Guard. With recruiting down there may be more incentives down the road. Before I was mobilized my part time job was projectionist at the Fairfax Square Theatres in Tyson's Corner. I was the main projectionist there for several years. I don't know if the job will be there when I get back though. According to my Air Force (and Air Guard) acquaintances all pilots are prima donnas who drain resources from the really important stuff. That's not true ;'0! Philip -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:49 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD-To BRAD Phillip, Thanks for the "gouge". He put in an application at FedEx this week to work in the hub. I can't do anything to accelerate his hiring - if they find out his dad is a crewmember it would probably be the kiss of death - the company always blames us prima donnas for everyone else not getting a raise. We're in contract negotiations right now so the same old BS is flying. Anyway, I think Alex's best bet would be to get on here and then join the local Air National Guard unit. They just got C5's and are building a new airport facility (we're getting their old one). I work with a lot of the officers in the unit and could provide some help there. He's already said he doesn't want to get stuck on a boat. His grandfather on his mother's side is retired Army Special Forces. He's said much the same thing to him as you did about the Army. Unfortunately, I didn't do a very good job of dividing up the work ethic and motivation between my two sons. The oldest I have to throttle back constantly and the youngest seems to always need a kick in the ass. Right now the youngest is discovering the joys of poverty and has finally figured out he needs to do something. If Alex can get on at the hub and in the Memphis Guard it will be the best of both worlds. FedEx will pay for college as well as the Guard. I promised to put the equivalent amount in an IRA for him. Of course at 19 he has no idea what an IRA is or why anyone would want to put money away that couldn't be spent for 40 years. The Memphis Guard has been getting activated alot lately but mostly its trips to the desert and back. I met a guy in the bar at Tysons Corner outside DC last night who's made some trips to/from Baghdad. He said the airport was opening up to passenger traffic this week but they're still using special approach procedures. There are a lot of SAMs out there and still unaccounted for Stingers from Afghanastan. After seeing the photos and reading the story of the DHL Airbus that took a missle through the engine, I'm glad I don't fly there. My biggest worry is making sure that when I get up in the middle of the night to go pee, I'm really in the bathroom (long story from before you arrived here that I don't want to repeat.) Brad --- Philip Esteban <3drecon@comcast.net> wrote: > Brad, > It is a good move to push the Air Force. After > 31 years of both USMC > and US Army service, I would not counsel any young > person to join the Army > (the reasons are too long to go into here). I do > tell the kids if they are > full of P*ss and Vinegar and want to Shoot, Move and > Communicate, the USMC > is their best prospect for training and esprit de > corps, however; if they > want a good tour, making the same money, in decent > quarters and great > training/education opportunities, the Air Force is > the way to go. The Navy > is ok, but you spend a lot of time on "floats". In > the end, if you are > injured or wounded, the Army tends to kick you to > the kerb. You can > ultimately get treated but you have to fight for it. > The pat' answer is "go > to the VA". > > Philip > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf > Of brad haslett > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:50 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on > WMD > > > Wally, > > First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' Ford? > You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying that > in > this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be a > nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if > not > something bigger down the road. Bad timing for him. > His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail > for > being a crook, but for the race card which will > surely be played, just like it was for Harold, > Senior. > I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his > secure > congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's his > life. The only Republican announced against him is > that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor. > > I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long > row > to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of > enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but we'll > see. This is where the "rubber meets the road" > between your political beliefs and reality. > > Brad > > > > --- Wally Buck wrote: > > > Brad, > > > > My nephew emails me every month or so with updates > > from Iraq. It does seem > > we are making progress. In the end history will be > > the judge. > > > > How about your boy Ford. It sure doesn't take much > > to buy a TN politician. > > :-0 > > > > Wally > > > > >From: brad haslett > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not > on > > WMD > > >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >Wally, > > > > > >Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a > > >helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had > a > > >jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who > was > > >meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" > with > > our > > >chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot > > job > > >interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his > > friend > > >who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had > been > > >activated. She was home on medical leave because > > of a > > >broken foot (not combat related). > > > > > >Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive > > progress > > >is being made that isn't being reported by the > MSM. > > >The military is putting a great deal of efforts > > >turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, > soccer > > >fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were > > happy > > >we were there and more than happy that Saddam is > > gone, > > >but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of > > >oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the > > bad > > >guys are difficult to identify because people are > > >scared to turn them in, not that the average > Iraqi > > >supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the > cops > > if > > >we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal > > >activity. There, they and their family are > killed > > if > > >they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's > > but > > >jihadists from other countries. It will continue > > to > > >be a problem for some time. She felt good about > > her > > >duty there and supported the war but expressed > that > > >morale was fading amongst the troops because of > the > > >long and extended deployments. I asked her > > >specifically what her take was on WMD and she > gave > > me > > >this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you > > ever > > >made a decision in the jet based on the > information > > >you had at the time and realized later there were > > >other options? Bush made a decision on the intel > he > > >was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". > > For > > >the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her > > service > > >and thought she and her unit were having a > positive > > >impact. > > > > > >Some people don't support the war because they > just > > >don't like war. Who does? Most of the > > non-supporters > > >just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this > > thing > > >and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi > > >people for us to abandon them at this point. We > > did > > >that once. We've had a huge military presence in > > the > > >Middle East and Europe for a long time and now > > those > > >assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a > > lameduck > > >now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just > > as I > > >have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. > > No > > >matter who the next President is (my current > money > > is > > >on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. > > > > > >Brad > > > > > >--- Wally Buck wrote: > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > > > Thanks for changing the sugject line but my > post > > was > > > > not about "WMDs". > > > > Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is > > not > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From robert at squirrelhaven.com Sun Jun 19 22:59:43 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Sun Jun 19 21:59:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] WSM References: <000201c574ce$ceb06980$4192f504@yourb8ed622a9f> Message-ID: <42B6230F.1D6CD0E0@squirrelhaven.com> Philip Esteban wrote: > > Bill, > Thanks. Right now I am in Conn. My aunt passed away (the last on my > mother's side) and things are extremely hectic. My biggest problem right > now is where to park the darn thing. I live in an assoc. neighborhood in VA > and they won't let us put anything in the yard or on the road. I have > checked out local marinas while on pass but no one has any room. I think > I'll have to go south. > > Philip Several friends dry-slip at the Washington Sailing Marina, and one has a wet slip. Want names and contacts? -- Robert Skinner From robert at squirrelhaven.com Sun Jun 19 23:05:17 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Sun Jun 19 22:05:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] was "not on WMD-To BRAD", now 0311 References: <000301c574d1$da884e00$4192f504@yourb8ed622a9f> Message-ID: <42B6245D.465985BD@squirrelhaven.com> Philip Esteban wrote: > > I used to tell people if you are not Infantry you are support. When you > really look at it, that is what it is all about. Everything is there to > support the Infantry. Those guys take the brunt of everything. > By the way, the Air Force is not really a legal institution. The Army and > the Navy were established under the Constitution of the United States. The > Air Force was separated from the Army by Executive Order. There really > should be a Constitutional Amendment. > > Philip 0311 rules! /Bob From jdwhite at utpa.edu Mon Jun 20 09:50:19 2005 From: jdwhite at utpa.edu (Jim White) Date: Mon Jun 20 09:49:34 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm Back on Le Menagerie Again (finally) Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050620083518.0226fc70@pop3.panam.edu> Yesterday was a beautiful day. First sail since UNT surgery. We cast off around 830 and sailed till 1300, when it began to get too hot. Winds were perfect 8-15 out of the SSE, water was Caribbean blue, and we even had a young dolphin following along just behind the rudder on the return trip. It was great to go out, though I didn't do a damn thing except drink rum (yes, I'm learning to drink rum right handed) after the sun went over the yardarm. My wife and friend Chris handled the sails and rudder, and I barked orders, just the way it should be. The elbow is healing up, though still quite weak and tires easily. No lifting/pushing/pulling/ folding/bending/spindiling or mutilating for another 4-6 weeks. Sigh. I am now back at work half days, and looking for other crew to abuse. Cheers ya'll jw Jim White Le Menagerie www.lemenagerie.blogspot.com From douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com Mon Jun 20 11:00:08 2005 From: douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com (Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)) Date: Mon Jun 20 10:00:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Rhodes Piano on KSLM & New Song on Brookville Message-ID: Hey Slimmy, Just to tease you a little, I do have a pre-Fender era Rhodes 88 sitting in my basement. ;^) And I'm a percussionist, so don't even PLAY the thing! But it IS a fantastic instrument, so I appreciate it. I finally got Fretnaught into the water on Saturday. Apparently, the "former New Song" has been out enough for me to hear reports of a pristine R22 on Brookville Lake (I mean besides my "pristine as can be 1986 model"). That is great to hear! --Doug s/v Fretnaught -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 3:49 AM To: Rhodes Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Piano on KSLM The Rhodes piano was one of the earliest and venerable electronic pianos. Instead of the hammer striking strings, the hammer struck tines--like a tuning fork except one prong instead of two. Here's a fine example: http://home.mn.rr.com/kslm/Brandy.mp3 __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Mon Jun 20 11:58:19 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Mon Jun 20 10:58:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c575a8$7f82ef10$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Doug: You said, "I finally got Fretnaught into the water on Saturday. Apparently, the "former New Song" has been out enough for me to hear reports of a pristine R22 on Brookville Lake (I mean besides my "pristine as can be 1986 model")." I guess you are telling us there is another Rhodie out there. But, who is it? How come you do not have them reporting to the 'ol list'? I thought that 'New Song' had gone to new hands, is it so? This list has a sweeping circulation. An explanation of where this Brookville Lake is would be in order for the newbies and lurkers. You might have other neighbors, or even ducks. We know that you have been here forever, but have you noticed all the newbies the last few months? There is a whole flock of them quacking this year. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjust the sails"- William Arthur Ward From douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com Mon Jun 20 12:22:38 2005 From: douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com (Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)) Date: Mon Jun 20 11:22:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment Message-ID: Hi Ed, Been a bit grumpy lately? It's a little hard to tell on e-mail, but Slim might have some e-mail promotions he could pass along to you. Or, as a musician, I bet he could probably find you whatever you need. *grin* Yeah, sorry for the incomplete post, but I had some trouble finding the information in my terribly organized mail system. Brookville lake is a small inland lake in Southeast Indiana. It isn't too far from Cincinnati, so we have a reasonably large Cincinnati contingent. There are actually 2 new R22s on Brookville. 1. Marc Steiger has had his on there since about mid-season last year, probably about the same vintage as Fretnaught. 1985, I think. 2. Jerry Barnett purchased New Song through Stan, and I believe this is his first season on the lake. John and Nell just found they weren't sailing as much as they thought they would, probably because of the long trek they needed to make down their creek to the Neuse River. I don't know if Jerry has or plans to re-name her. I am always pleased with the comments I receive on the boat. We got within hailing distance of 2 other boats, and both commented on how nice she looks! As did folks on the dock. I guess 3 evenings of washing and waxing with Collinite really helps. ;^) Now I just need to find the time to scrub the spider-poop off her decks every week. --Doug s/v Fretnaught -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ed kroposki Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:58 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment Doug: You said, "I finally got Fretnaught into the water on Saturday. Apparently, the "former New Song" has been out enough for me to hear reports of a pristine R22 on Brookville Lake (I mean besides my "pristine as can be 1986 model")." I guess you are telling us there is another Rhodie out there. But, who is it? How come you do not have them reporting to the 'ol list'? I thought that 'New Song' had gone to new hands, is it so? This list has a sweeping circulation. An explanation of where this Brookville Lake is would be in order for the newbies and lurkers. You might have other neighbors, or even ducks. We know that you have been here forever, but have you noticed all the newbies the last few months? There is a whole flock of them quacking this year. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjust the sails"- William Arthur Ward __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Mon Jun 20 13:52:58 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 20 12:53:06 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm Back on Le Menagerie Again (finally) Message-ID: <1c7.2ada2211.2fe84e6a@aol.com> jw, To save wear and tear on the good arm, try drinking with a very long straw. Rummy From salm at mn.rr.com Mon Jun 20 17:14:07 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Mon Jun 20 17:14:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm Back on Le Menagerie Again (finally) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050620083518.0226fc70@pop3.panam.edu> Message-ID: Jim, Congratulations on getting back on the water! This time last year I was in your shoes. May you have a speedy recovery. We finally had our first and glorious sail yesterday. Temps in the 80's, clear skies, winds at about 15. Couldn't have been nicer. We had five aboard, sailed around Lake Minnetonka for a few hours, dropped the hook for lunch, swam a little, sailed some more. Slim On 6/20/05 8:50 AM, "Jim White" wrote: > Yesterday was a beautiful day. First sail since UNT surgery. We cast off > around 830 and sailed till 1300, when it began to get too hot. Winds were > perfect 8-15 out of the SSE, water was Caribbean blue, and we even had a > young dolphin following along just behind the rudder on the return trip. > > It was great to go out, though I didn't do a damn thing except drink rum > (yes, I'm learning to drink rum right handed) after the sun went over the > yardarm. My wife and friend Chris handled the sails and rudder, and I > barked orders, just the way it should be. > > The elbow is healing up, though still quite weak and tires easily. No > lifting/pushing/pulling/ folding/bending/spindiling or mutilating for > another 4-6 weeks. Sigh. > > I am now back at work half days, and looking for other crew to abuse. > Cheers ya'll > jw > > Jim White > Le Menagerie > www.lemenagerie.blogspot.com > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Mon Jun 20 17:20:33 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Mon Jun 20 17:20:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Rhodes Piano on KSLM & New Song on Brookville In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doug, I never owned a Rhodes myself but I had a Wurlitzer, Vox Jaguar, Yamaha electric grand, and of course a Hammond B-3. Then came a raft of portables. But the B-3 is still my favorite. Slim On 6/20/05 9:00 AM, "Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)" wrote: > Hey Slimmy, > > Just to tease you a little, I do have a pre-Fender era Rhodes 88 sitting > in my basement. ;^) > > And I'm a percussionist, so don't even PLAY the thing! But it IS a > fantastic instrument, so I appreciate it. > > I finally got Fretnaught into the water on Saturday. Apparently, the > "former New Song" has been out enough for me to hear reports of a pristine > R22 on Brookville Lake (I mean besides my "pristine as can be 1986 model"). > > > That is great to hear! > > --Doug > s/v Fretnaught > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 3:49 AM > To: Rhodes > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Piano on KSLM > > The Rhodes piano was one of the earliest and venerable electronic pianos. > Instead of the hammer striking strings, the hammer struck tines--like a > tuning fork except one prong instead of two. Here's a fine example: > > http://home.mn.rr.com/kslm/Brandy.mp3 > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From re.miller at att.net Mon Jun 20 19:25:21 2005 From: re.miller at att.net (Russell Miller) Date: Mon Jun 20 18:25:04 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment References: <000001c575a8$7f82ef10$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <001f01c575e6$f8481a90$2f01a8c0@rmiller> New Song is a 2002, I thunk, former owners where the Wards who moved for Indie to New Bern, Jon & Nell I think. Don't know what happened to them but they were fun during our New Bern Regatta. Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment Doug: You said, "I finally got Fretnaught into the water on Saturday. Apparently, the "former New Song" has been out enough for me to hear reports of a pristine R22 on Brookville Lake (I mean besides my "pristine as can be 1986 model")." I guess you are telling us there is another Rhodie out there. But, who is it? How come you do not have them reporting to the 'ol list'? I thought that 'New Song' had gone to new hands, is it so? This list has a sweeping circulation. An explanation of where this Brookville Lake is would be in order for the newbies and lurkers. You might have other neighbors, or even ducks. We know that you have been here forever, but have you noticed all the newbies the last few months? There is a whole flock of them quacking this year. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjust the sails"- William Arthur Ward __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From barnett513 at zoomtown.com Mon Jun 20 20:26:00 2005 From: barnett513 at zoomtown.com (barnett513) Date: Mon Jun 20 19:31:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment Message-ID: <20050620233118.OREQ12227.gx4.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net> > Well it's nice to be noticed, I think? My name is Jerry Barnett sailing the former "New Song" on Brookville Lake, IN. This recycled 1999 boat was purchased from Stan in 2004. Renamed "Jonquil", with new yellow hull paint. Three Rhodes on the lake, this is very good luck for me, being a new sailor. So, Doug and Marc, is it true that if I happen to be sailing along in the same general direction as either of you, it's a race? jerry > From: "Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)" > Date: 2005/06/20 Mon AM 11:22:38 EDT > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment > > Hi Ed, > > Been a bit grumpy lately? It's a little hard to tell on e-mail, but Slim > might have some e-mail promotions he could pass along to you. Or, as a > musician, I bet he could probably find you whatever you need. *grin* > > Yeah, sorry for the incomplete post, but I had some trouble finding the > information in my terribly organized mail system. Brookville lake is a small > inland lake in Southeast Indiana. It isn't too far from Cincinnati, so we > have a reasonably large Cincinnati contingent. > > There are actually 2 new R22s on Brookville. > 1. Marc Steiger has had his on there since about mid-season last year, > probably about the same vintage as Fretnaught. 1985, I think. > 2. Jerry Barnett purchased New Song through Stan, and I believe this is his > first season on the lake. John and Nell just found they weren't sailing as > much as they thought they would, probably because of the long trek they > needed to make down their creek to the Neuse River. I don't know if Jerry > has or plans to re-name her. > > I am always pleased with the comments I receive on the boat. We got within > hailing distance of 2 other boats, and both commented on how nice she looks! > As did folks on the dock. I guess 3 evenings of washing and waxing with > Collinite really helps. ;^) Now I just need to find the time to scrub the > spider-poop off her decks every week. > > > --Doug > s/v Fretnaught > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ed kroposki > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:58 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment > > Doug: > > > > You said, "I finally got Fretnaught into the water on Saturday. Apparently, > the "former New Song" has been out enough for me to hear reports of a > pristine R22 on Brookville Lake (I mean besides my "pristine as can be 1986 > model")." > > > > I guess you are telling us there is another Rhodie out there. But, who is > it? How come you do not have them reporting to the 'ol list'? I thought > that 'New Song' had gone to new hands, is it so? > > > > This list has a sweeping circulation. An explanation of where this > Brookville Lake is would be in order for the newbies and lurkers. You might > have other neighbors, or even ducks. We know that you have been here > forever, but have you noticed all the newbies the last few months? There > is a whole flock of them quacking this year. > > > > Ed K > > Greenville, SC, USA > > Addendum: "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it > to change; the realist adjust the sails"- William Arthur Ward > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From smallcraftadvisor at earthlink.net Mon Jun 20 16:16:51 2005 From: smallcraftadvisor at earthlink.net (smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net) Date: Mon Jun 20 20:33:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey Message-ID: <42B74053.9070302@earthlink.net> Hi All, Our magazine is preparing a review of the Rhodes 22 sailboat. If you own or have owned this boat and would like to participate by completing our owner survey, please send us an e-mail at this address. In addition to inspecting and sailing the boat ourselves, we always rely heavily on owner feedback. We've already sent our review to some of the owners whose addresses we'd kept on file. Also, if anyone has a sharp, high-resolution photo of a Rhodes 22 under sail that they'd like us to consider for the article--please send it along also. Thanks for your time. Best, Joshua Colvin Small Craft Advisor www.smallcraftadvisor.com smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net PO Box 1343 Port Townsend, WA 98368 360-379-1930 From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 20 21:44:04 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Mon Jun 20 20:44:22 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey References: <42B74053.9070302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000601c575fa$5344aa90$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Former owner of 10 years. rjquinn@bellsouth.net Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey > Hi All, > > Our magazine is preparing a review of the Rhodes 22 sailboat. If you own > or have owned this boat and would like to participate by completing our > owner survey, please send us an e-mail at this address. In addition to > inspecting and sailing the boat ourselves, we always rely heavily on > owner feedback. > > We've already sent our review to some of the owners whose addresses we'd > kept on file. Also, if anyone has a sharp, high-resolution photo of a > Rhodes 22 under sail that they'd like us to consider for the > article--please send it along also. > > Thanks for your time. > > Best, > > Joshua Colvin > Small Craft Advisor > www.smallcraftadvisor.com > smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net > PO Box 1343 Port Townsend, WA 98368 > 360-379-1930 > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From wp.barry at att.net Mon Jun 20 23:54:07 2005 From: wp.barry at att.net (William P. Barry, III) Date: Mon Jun 20 22:54:17 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey References: <42B74053.9070302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001401c5760c$84631be0$6401a8c0@VAIO> I would be more than willing to partcipate in a survey of the Rhodes 22. THanks Will Barry. wp.barry@att.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey > Hi All, > > Our magazine is preparing a review of the Rhodes 22 sailboat. If you own > or have owned this boat and would like to participate by completing our > owner survey, please send us an e-mail at this address. In addition to > inspecting and sailing the boat ourselves, we always rely heavily on > owner feedback. > > We've already sent our review to some of the owners whose addresses we'd > kept on file. Also, if anyone has a sharp, high-resolution photo of a > Rhodes 22 under sail that they'd like us to consider for the > article--please send it along also. > > Thanks for your time. > > Best, > > Joshua Colvin > Small Craft Advisor > www.smallcraftadvisor.com > smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net > PO Box 1343 Port Townsend, WA 98368 > 360-379-1930 > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Mon Jun 20 23:51:17 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Mon Jun 20 23:00:03 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey In-Reply-To: <42B74053.9070302@earthlink.net> References: <42B74053.9070302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42B780A5.9030506@michaelmeltzer.com> I have owned 2 of them, be happy to. MJM smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net wrote: > Hi All, > > Our magazine is preparing a review of the Rhodes 22 sailboat. If you > own or have owned this boat and would like to participate by > completing our owner survey, please send us an e-mail at this address. > In addition to inspecting and sailing the boat ourselves, we always > rely heavily on owner feedback. > > We've already sent our review to some of the owners whose addresses > we'd kept on file. Also, if anyone has a sharp, high-resolution photo > of a Rhodes 22 under sail that they'd like us to consider for the > article--please send it along also. > > Thanks for your time. > > Best, > > Joshua Colvin > Small Craft Advisor > www.smallcraftadvisor.com > smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net > PO Box 1343 Port Townsend, WA 98368 > 360-379-1930 > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From lcrowther at cox.net Tue Jun 21 00:02:58 2005 From: lcrowther at cox.net (Lloyd Crowther) Date: Mon Jun 20 23:03:10 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey References: <42B74053.9070302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000c01c5760d$bad9de60$1402a8c0@lloydpc> I'm a Rhodes22 Owner lcrowther@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey > Hi All, > > Our magazine is preparing a review of the Rhodes 22 sailboat. If you own > or have owned this boat and would like to participate by completing our > owner survey, please send us an e-mail at this address. In addition to > inspecting and sailing the boat ourselves, we always rely heavily on > owner feedback. > > We've already sent our review to some of the owners whose addresses we'd > kept on file. Also, if anyone has a sharp, high-resolution photo of a > Rhodes 22 under sail that they'd like us to consider for the > article--please send it along also. > > Thanks for your time. > > Best, > > Joshua Colvin > Small Craft Advisor > www.smallcraftadvisor.com > smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net > PO Box 1343 Port Townsend, WA 98368 > 360-379-1930 > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From anima13 at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 20 23:03:34 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Mon Jun 20 23:03:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment In-Reply-To: <20050620233118.OREQ12227.gx4.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net> Message-ID: Jerrry, Jerry, Jerry, YOu have been sailing with ME...of COURSE it is a race!!!! Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of barnett513 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:26 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment > Well it's nice to be noticed, I think? My name is Jerry Barnett sailing the former "New Song" on Brookville Lake, IN. This recycled 1999 boat was purchased from Stan in 2004. Renamed "Jonquil", with new yellow hull paint. Three Rhodes on the lake, this is very good luck for me, being a new sailor. So, Doug and Marc, is it true that if I happen to be sailing along in the same general direction as either of you, it's a race? jerry > From: "Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)" > Date: 2005/06/20 Mon AM 11:22:38 EDT > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment > > Hi Ed, > > Been a bit grumpy lately? It's a little hard to tell on e-mail, but Slim > might have some e-mail promotions he could pass along to you. Or, as a > musician, I bet he could probably find you whatever you need. *grin* > > Yeah, sorry for the incomplete post, but I had some trouble finding the > information in my terribly organized mail system. Brookville lake is a small > inland lake in Southeast Indiana. It isn't too far from Cincinnati, so we > have a reasonably large Cincinnati contingent. > > There are actually 2 new R22s on Brookville. > 1. Marc Steiger has had his on there since about mid-season last year, > probably about the same vintage as Fretnaught. 1985, I think. > 2. Jerry Barnett purchased New Song through Stan, and I believe this is his > first season on the lake. John and Nell just found they weren't sailing as > much as they thought they would, probably because of the long trek they > needed to make down their creek to the Neuse River. I don't know if Jerry > has or plans to re-name her. > > I am always pleased with the comments I receive on the boat. We got within > hailing distance of 2 other boats, and both commented on how nice she looks! > As did folks on the dock. I guess 3 evenings of washing and waxing with > Collinite really helps. ;^) Now I just need to find the time to scrub the > spider-poop off her decks every week. > > > --Doug > s/v Fretnaught > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ed kroposki > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:58 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment > > Doug: > > > > You said, "I finally got Fretnaught into the water on Saturday. Apparently, > the "former New Song" has been out enough for me to hear reports of a > pristine R22 on Brookville Lake (I mean besides my "pristine as can be 1986 > model")." > > > > I guess you are telling us there is another Rhodie out there. But, who is > it? How come you do not have them reporting to the 'ol list'? I thought > that 'New Song' had gone to new hands, is it so? > > > > This list has a sweeping circulation. An explanation of where this > Brookville Lake is would be in order for the newbies and lurkers. You might > have other neighbors, or even ducks. We know that you have been here > forever, but have you noticed all the newbies the last few months? There > is a whole flock of them quacking this year. > > > > Ed K > > Greenville, SC, USA > > Addendum: "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it > to change; the realist adjust the sails"- William Arthur Ward > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From smallcraftadvisor at earthlink.net Mon Jun 20 23:34:36 2005 From: smallcraftadvisor at earthlink.net (smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net) Date: Tue Jun 21 01:34:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey References: <42B74053.9070302@earthlink.net> <001401c5760c$84631be0$6401a8c0@VAIO> Message-ID: <42B7A6EC.6000807@earthlink.net> Hi Will, Thank you for participating in the Small Craft Advisor Rhodes 22 boat review. No one can know the strengths and weaknesses of a boat better than one who has sailed her and lived with her through good conditions and bad. Your opinion is valuable. The information you submit, with that of other respondents, should enable us to begin to see consistent patterns of opinion about the boat in review. We believe this method will result in the most accurate assessment available for a given boat. Feel free to respond to the following questions in as much or little detail as you wish. We may or may not use any or all of your responses. In most cases we will use direct quotes, e.g. "John Johnson, owner of hull #777 "Tinkerbell," says 'The boat has great ultimate stability and performs exceptionally well in heavy weather.'" Modify the questionnaire as you see fit. If you need more room for a certain section, just make it bigger. When you've finished, please return it to us via e-mail. Thanks again. We look forward to hearing what you have to say about this very popular boat. Sincerely, Joshua Colvin Managing Editor Small Craft Advisor 907 Anchor Morro Bay CA 93442 805-771-9393 [1]www.smallcraftadvisor.com email: [2]smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net ABOUT YOU AND YOUR BOAT: Your name: Your boat's name: Boat make and length: Year of manufacture: Please tell us a little about the extent of your sailing experience. PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS: Please give us your general impressions on the following subjects: Ease of trailering Ease of launching and retrieving Ease of rigging How the boat performs in light airs. How fast the boat is. How well it points. Initial stability Ultimate stability SEAWORTHINESS: How does your boat perform in heavy weather? Is the boat forgiving? Does it inspire confidence? Is it dry-riding? Does it exhibit a "weather helm?" Is cockpit drainage adequate in your opinion? ACCOMMODATIONS: How many can comfortably daysail, overnight , or cruise for extended periods on your boat? Are sleeping accommodations comfortable? For how many? Is the head practical and convenient to use. Cooking facilities? Storage? QUALITY: What do you think of the boats construction? How about the stock rigging? Does the boat seem durable? Any noticeable oil-canning, flexing, peeling or delamination? Any obvious shortcomings or corner-cutting in the design? COMPROMISES: What stands out in your mind as a compromise an owner of this boat is likely to have to make? MODIFICATIONS: List any significant modifications you've made to your boat, how difficult they were to execute, and how successful you consider them, particularly in light of time and money spent. VALUE: Compared with other small sailboats (25' or less), how do you rate this boat's value? A bargain? Average? Pricey? OTHER: Please feel free to share any other general or specific comments about this boat. William P. Barry, III wrote: I would be more than willing to partcipate in a survey of the Rhodes 22. THanks Will Barry. [3]wp.barry@att.net ----- Original Message ----- From: [4] To: [5] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey Hi All, Our magazine is preparing a review of the Rhodes 22 sailboat. If you own or have owned this boat and would like to participate by completing our owner survey, please send us an e-mail at this address. In addition to inspecting and sailing the boat ourselves, we always rely heavily on owner feedback. We've already sent our review to some of the owners whose addresses we'd kept on file. Also, if anyone has a sharp, high-resolution photo of a Rhodes 22 under sail that they'd like us to consider for the article--please send it along also. Thanks for your time. Best, Joshua Colvin Small Craft Advisor [6]www.smallcraftadvisor.com [7]smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net PO Box 1343 Port Townsend, WA 98368 360-379-1930 __________________________________________________ Use [8]Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? [9]www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use [10]Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? [11]www.rhodes22.org/list References 1. http://www.smallcraftadvisor.com/ 2. mailto:smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net 3. mailto:wp.barry@att.net 4. mailto:smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net 5. mailto:Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org 6. http://www.smallcraftadvisor.com/ 7. mailto:smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net 8. mailto:Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org 9. http://www.rhodes22.org/list 10. mailto:Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org 11. http://www.rhodes22.org/list From anima13 at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 21 04:15:26 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Tue Jun 21 04:16:04 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raft-up Message-ID: Hi All, As a big boat owner, I went to the club's raft-up this weekend. (This is the cruising part of our sailing club.) Bev and i sailed down the lake together. The "southern contingent" of Kentucky Lake from Paris, Tennessee motored up to meet us. These crazy guys brought a karaoke machine and made us sing!!! Was a great night for sleeping out on the lake with the temps down to 50's that night. Anne -------------- next part -------------- Name: Duncan Bay 2005 003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 101219 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/21/DuncanBay2005003.jpg From re.miller at att.net Tue Jun 21 08:38:34 2005 From: re.miller at att.net (Russell Miller) Date: Tue Jun 21 07:38:12 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey References: <42B74053.9070302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001d01c57655$c4f8bae0$2f01a8c0@rmiller> WE have owned 2 R22's. Would like to participate. Russ Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey > Hi All, > > Our magazine is preparing a review of the Rhodes 22 sailboat. If you own > or have owned this boat and would like to participate by completing our > owner survey, please send us an e-mail at this address. In addition to > inspecting and sailing the boat ourselves, we always rely heavily on > owner feedback. > > We've already sent our review to some of the owners whose addresses we'd > kept on file. Also, if anyone has a sharp, high-resolution photo of a > Rhodes 22 under sail that they'd like us to consider for the > article--please send it along also. > > Thanks for your time. > > Best, > > Joshua Colvin > Small Craft Advisor > www.smallcraftadvisor.com > smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net > PO Box 1343 Port Townsend, WA 98368 > 360-379-1930 > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mkaynor at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 08:52:05 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Tue Jun 21 07:52:22 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Rhodes Piano on KSLM & New Song on Brookville In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42b7ff72.7ec52a18.2ef6.ffff8d5f@mx.gmail.com> Slim, I gotta agree - there's nothing like a B3 cranked through a Leslie... Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:21 PM To: Rhodes Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Rhodes Piano on KSLM & New Song on Brookville Doug, I never owned a Rhodes myself but I had a Wurlitzer, Vox Jaguar, Yamaha electric grand, and of course a Hammond B-3. Then came a raft of portables. But the B-3 is still my favorite. Slim On 6/20/05 9:00 AM, "Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)" wrote: > Hey Slimmy, > > Just to tease you a little, I do have a pre-Fender era Rhodes 88 > sitting in my basement. ;^) > > And I'm a percussionist, so don't even PLAY the thing! But it IS a > fantastic instrument, so I appreciate it. > > I finally got Fretnaught into the water on Saturday. Apparently, the > "former New Song" has been out enough for me to hear reports of a > pristine > R22 on Brookville Lake (I mean besides my "pristine as can be 1986 model"). > > > That is great to hear! > > --Doug > s/v Fretnaught > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 3:49 AM > To: Rhodes > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Piano on KSLM > > The Rhodes piano was one of the earliest and venerable electronic pianos. > Instead of the hammer striking strings, the hammer struck tines--like > a tuning fork except one prong instead of two. Here's a fine example: > > http://home.mn.rr.com/kslm/Brandy.mp3 > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From robertdilk at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 13:39:20 2005 From: robertdilk at hotmail.com (Robert Dilk) Date: Tue Jun 21 08:39:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Rhodes Piano on KSLM & New Song on Brookville In-Reply-To: <42b7ff72.7ec52a18.2ef6.ffff8d5f@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: The best I every had was an hammond M-3 Bob S/V Knot Necessary >From: "Mark Kaynor" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Rhodes Piano on KSLM & New Song on Brookville >Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:52:05 -0400 > >Slim, > >I gotta agree - there's nothing like a B3 cranked through a Leslie... > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:21 PM >To: Rhodes >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Rhodes Piano on KSLM & New Song on >Brookville > >Doug, > >I never owned a Rhodes myself but I had a Wurlitzer, Vox Jaguar, Yamaha >electric grand, and of course a Hammond B-3. Then came a raft of portables. >But the B-3 is still my favorite. > >Slim > >On 6/20/05 9:00 AM, "Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)" > wrote: > > > Hey Slimmy, > > > > Just to tease you a little, I do have a pre-Fender era Rhodes 88 > > sitting in my basement. ;^) > > > > And I'm a percussionist, so don't even PLAY the thing! But it IS a > > fantastic instrument, so I appreciate it. > > > > I finally got Fretnaught into the water on Saturday. Apparently, the > > "former New Song" has been out enough for me to hear reports of a > > pristine > > R22 on Brookville Lake (I mean besides my "pristine as can be 1986 >model"). > > > > > > That is great to hear! > > > > --Doug > > s/v Fretnaught > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim > > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 3:49 AM > > To: Rhodes > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Piano on KSLM > > > > The Rhodes piano was one of the earliest and venerable electronic pianos. > > Instead of the hammer striking strings, the hammer struck tines--like > > a tuning fork except one prong instead of two. Here's a fine example: > > > > http://home.mn.rr.com/kslm/Brandy.mp3 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From sailnut at worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 21 10:09:50 2005 From: sailnut at worldnet.att.net (Richard Smith) Date: Tue Jun 21 09:14:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey References: <42B74053.9070302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000501c57662$83690e60$b78e4b0c@evereadyinsurance.com> I would like to participate in your survey. Richard Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey > Hi All, > > Our magazine is preparing a review of the Rhodes 22 sailboat. If you own > or have owned this boat and would like to participate by completing our > owner survey, please send us an e-mail at this address. In addition to > inspecting and sailing the boat ourselves, we always rely heavily on > owner feedback. > > We've already sent our review to some of the owners whose addresses we'd > kept on file. Also, if anyone has a sharp, high-resolution photo of a > Rhodes 22 under sail that they'd like us to consider for the > article--please send it along also. > > Thanks for your time. > > Best, > > Joshua Colvin > Small Craft Advisor > www.smallcraftadvisor.com > smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net > PO Box 1343 Port Townsend, WA 98368 > 360-379-1930 > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Tue Jun 21 10:15:31 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Tue Jun 21 09:15:38 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] crawford adventure In-Reply-To: <021301c568d0$e9ac8110$1fd407d0@yourze8cxvr8tt> References: <021301c568d0$e9ac8110$1fd407d0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <42B812F3.1040802@effros.com> Catching up on email-- Stan, You are being too polite. The Crawfords would never have gone to the bottom. They would have floated to the top. They bought a Rhodes-22! The real point is the one made by Michael, and others--the boat is a complicated, hand made artifact that should always be thoroughly tested before being used at the extreme end of its capabilities. Bill Effros stan wrote: >The Crawfords are being too polite. > >Somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic the boat started to sink. > >Thanks to cell phone technology we did a "Hello Houston - we have a problem" call and came to the conclusion that when one of our guys upgraded the cb line he forgot to put back the cb hose or at least the hose clamp and the high pressure from the great Yamaha forced water to spill up and over the cb cap hose barb. Lower motor speeds seemed to confirm this long distance theory. Since they made it safely to a safe haven itinerary landing we will get to check the theory - had they gone to the bottom it would have remained another Rhodes mystery. > >stan/gbi >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From ralphzeto at msn.com Tue Jun 21 10:16:31 2005 From: ralphzeto at msn.com (Ralph Zeto) Date: Tue Jun 21 09:16:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey References: <42B74053.9070302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sirs, Have a '93 Rhodes & would participate in your survey. Ralph Zeto sv/Seduction ----- Original Message ----- From: smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net To: Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey Hi All, Our magazine is preparing a review of the Rhodes 22 sailboat. If you own or have owned this boat and would like to participate by completing our owner survey, please send us an e-mail at this address. In addition to inspecting and sailing the boat ourselves, we always rely heavily on owner feedback. We've already sent our review to some of the owners whose addresses we'd kept on file. Also, if anyone has a sharp, high-resolution photo of a Rhodes 22 under sail that they'd like us to consider for the article--please send it along also. Thanks for your time. Best, Joshua Colvin Small Craft Advisor www.smallcraftadvisor.com smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net PO Box 1343 Port Townsend, WA 98368 360-379-1930 __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com Tue Jun 21 10:18:17 2005 From: douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com (Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)) Date: Tue Jun 21 09:18:18 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Rhodes Piano on KSLM & New Song on Brook ville Message-ID: The B-3 is a great instrument! But I knew I'd never be able to play it like Emerson did (ummm... Before his nerve conduction problems) so never got one. ;^) -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:21 PM To: Rhodes Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Rhodes Piano on KSLM & New Song on Brookville Doug, I never owned a Rhodes myself but I had a Wurlitzer, Vox Jaguar, Yamaha electric grand, and of course a Hammond B-3. Then came a raft of portables. But the B-3 is still my favorite. Slim On 6/20/05 9:00 AM, "Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)" wrote: > Hey Slimmy, > > Just to tease you a little, I do have a pre-Fender era Rhodes 88 > sitting in my basement. ;^) > > And I'm a percussionist, so don't even PLAY the thing! But it IS a > fantastic instrument, so I appreciate it. > > I finally got Fretnaught into the water on Saturday. Apparently, the > "former New Song" has been out enough for me to hear reports of a > pristine > R22 on Brookville Lake (I mean besides my "pristine as can be 1986 model"). > > > That is great to hear! > > --Doug > s/v Fretnaught > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 3:49 AM > To: Rhodes > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Piano on KSLM > > The Rhodes piano was one of the earliest and venerable electronic pianos. > Instead of the hammer striking strings, the hammer struck tines--like > a tuning fork except one prong instead of two. Here's a fine example: > > http://home.mn.rr.com/kslm/Brandy.mp3 > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com Tue Jun 21 10:34:26 2005 From: douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com (Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)) Date: Tue Jun 21 09:34:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment Message-ID: Hi Jerry, So, did you have the entire hull painted yellow? Or just the name? I don't think I've ever seen a yellow R22, but I bet it is striking. I just assumed that the pristine blue R22 was yours, but if you've painted Jonquil yellow, then that must mean that Marc has repainted his. Excellent! Then we must have 3 good-looking and distinctive R22's on the lake! Speaking of which, rumor has it that the BLSA pig roast is at Hanna Creek this Saturday. Are you going? We've invited some friends out to the boat for dinner, and if they can go, we're going to try to catch the pig roast. That'll give us the excuse to rejoin the BLSA. http://www.blsa.us/eventsm.html If you go, they would like an RSVP by Thursday. --Doug -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of barnett513 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 7:26 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment > Well it's nice to be noticed, I think? My name is Jerry Barnett sailing the former "New Song" on Brookville Lake, IN. This recycled 1999 boat was purchased from Stan in 2004. Renamed "Jonquil", with new yellow hull paint. Three Rhodes on the lake, this is very good luck for me, being a new sailor. So, Doug and Marc, is it true that if I happen to be sailing along in the same general direction as either of you, it's a race? jerry > From: "Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)" > Date: 2005/06/20 Mon AM 11:22:38 EDT > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment > > Hi Ed, > > Been a bit grumpy lately? It's a little hard to tell on e-mail, > but Slim might have some e-mail promotions he could pass along to you. > Or, as a musician, I bet he could probably find you whatever you need. > *grin* > > Yeah, sorry for the incomplete post, but I had some trouble finding > the information in my terribly organized mail system. Brookville lake > is a small inland lake in Southeast Indiana. It isn't too far from > Cincinnati, so we have a reasonably large Cincinnati contingent. > > There are actually 2 new R22s on Brookville. > 1. Marc Steiger has had his on there since about mid-season last year, > probably about the same vintage as Fretnaught. 1985, I think. > 2. Jerry Barnett purchased New Song through Stan, and I believe this > is his first season on the lake. John and Nell just found they > weren't sailing as much as they thought they would, probably because > of the long trek they needed to make down their creek to the Neuse > River. I don't know if Jerry has or plans to re-name her. > > I am always pleased with the comments I receive on the boat. We got > within hailing distance of 2 other boats, and both commented on how nice she looks! > As did folks on the dock. I guess 3 evenings of washing and waxing > with Collinite really helps. ;^) Now I just need to find the time to > scrub the spider-poop off her decks every week. > > > --Doug > s/v Fretnaught > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ed kroposki > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:58 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment > > Doug: > > > > You said, "I finally got Fretnaught into the water on Saturday. > Apparently, the "former New Song" has been out enough for me to hear > reports of a pristine R22 on Brookville Lake (I mean besides my > "pristine as can be 1986 model")." > > > > I guess you are telling us there is another Rhodie out there. But, > who is it? How come you do not have them reporting to the 'ol list'? > I thought that 'New Song' had gone to new hands, is it so? > > > > This list has a sweeping circulation. An explanation of where > this Brookville Lake is would be in order for the newbies and lurkers. > You might have other neighbors, or even ducks. We know that you have been here > forever, but have you noticed all the newbies the last few months? There > is a whole flock of them quacking this year. > > > > Ed K > > Greenville, SC, USA > > Addendum: "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist > expects it to change; the realist adjust the sails"- William Arthur > Ward > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com Tue Jun 21 10:40:24 2005 From: douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com (Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)) Date: Tue Jun 21 09:40:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment Message-ID: Oh, Jerry, I almost forgot. If we're on the lake sailing in the same general direction... It is only a race if the wind conditions and my sail selection give me an unfair advantage! ;^) Well, that and if the wife and kids aren't aboard... Thought you might enjoy these, if you haven't seen them: http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/NewSong2.jpg http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/newsong1.jpg -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of barnett513 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 7:26 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment > Well it's nice to be noticed, I think? My name is Jerry Barnett sailing the former "New Song" on Brookville Lake, IN. This recycled 1999 boat was purchased from Stan in 2004. Renamed "Jonquil", with new yellow hull paint. Three Rhodes on the lake, this is very good luck for me, being a new sailor. So, Doug and Marc, is it true that if I happen to be sailing along in the same general direction as either of you, it's a race? jerry > From: "Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)" > Date: 2005/06/20 Mon AM 11:22:38 EDT > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment > > Hi Ed, > > Been a bit grumpy lately? It's a little hard to tell on e-mail, > but Slim might have some e-mail promotions he could pass along to you. > Or, as a musician, I bet he could probably find you whatever you need. > *grin* > > Yeah, sorry for the incomplete post, but I had some trouble finding > the information in my terribly organized mail system. Brookville lake > is a small inland lake in Southeast Indiana. It isn't too far from > Cincinnati, so we have a reasonably large Cincinnati contingent. > > There are actually 2 new R22s on Brookville. > 1. Marc Steiger has had his on there since about mid-season last year, > probably about the same vintage as Fretnaught. 1985, I think. > 2. Jerry Barnett purchased New Song through Stan, and I believe this > is his first season on the lake. John and Nell just found they > weren't sailing as much as they thought they would, probably because > of the long trek they needed to make down their creek to the Neuse > River. I don't know if Jerry has or plans to re-name her. > > I am always pleased with the comments I receive on the boat. We got > within hailing distance of 2 other boats, and both commented on how nice she looks! > As did folks on the dock. I guess 3 evenings of washing and waxing > with Collinite really helps. ;^) Now I just need to find the time to > scrub the spider-poop off her decks every week. > > > --Doug > s/v Fretnaught > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ed kroposki > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:58 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Doug's fractional comment > > Doug: > > > > You said, "I finally got Fretnaught into the water on Saturday. > Apparently, the "former New Song" has been out enough for me to hear > reports of a pristine R22 on Brookville Lake (I mean besides my > "pristine as can be 1986 model")." > > > > I guess you are telling us there is another Rhodie out there. But, > who is it? How come you do not have them reporting to the 'ol list'? > I thought that 'New Song' had gone to new hands, is it so? > > > > This list has a sweeping circulation. An explanation of where > this Brookville Lake is would be in order for the newbies and lurkers. > You might have other neighbors, or even ducks. We know that you have been here > forever, but have you noticed all the newbies the last few months? There > is a whole flock of them quacking this year. > > > > Ed K > > Greenville, SC, USA > > Addendum: "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist > expects it to change; the realist adjust the sails"- William Arthur > Ward > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Tue Jun 21 15:09:02 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Tue Jun 21 15:09:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors Message-ID: For those of you who stow an anchor or two in a basket under the cockpit seats, how do you secure it and prevent it from sliding out on a heel? Also, do any of you mark your rode so you know how much you've let out? If so, what did you use? Thanks, Slim From R22RumRunner at aol.com Tue Jun 21 17:51:43 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 21 16:51:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors Message-ID: <102.63851f4a.2fe9d7df@aol.com> Slimmy, I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that sucker ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat. I keep a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few other miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette. I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes out by accident. I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the knots in the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise. You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the heat pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two days before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to tough it out and drink more cooling liquids. Rummy From wewickman at duke-energy.com Tue Jun 21 17:59:01 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Tue Jun 21 16:59:44 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors Message-ID: Slim, I keep my anchor in a mesh bag and have not had a problem with it sliding around. For anchor markers, I bought the standard ones you can get at West Marine. They are inserted into the anchor rode every 30 feet. Since most of my anchoring is in fairly shallow water it would have been nice to have a marker every 10 feet. You could easily make your own strips of canvas material and put them at regular intervals (like every 10 feet) and remember to count as you let the line out. I may do that someday if I get motivated. Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | Slim | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/21/2005 03:09 PM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Rhodes | | cc: | | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| For those of you who stow an anchor or two in a basket under the cockpit seats, how do you secure it and prevent it from sliding out on a heel? Also, do any of you mark your rode so you know how much you've let out? If so, what did you use? Thanks, Slim __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From sailnut at worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 21 18:01:40 2005 From: sailnut at worldnet.att.net (Richard Smith) Date: Tue Jun 21 17:06:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors References: Message-ID: <003901c576a4$6d579e60$b78e4b0c@evereadyinsurance.com> Since most > of my anchoring is in fairly shallow water it would have been nice to have > a marker every 10 feet. You could easily make your own strips of canvas > material and put them at regular intervals (like every 10 feet) and > remember to count as you let the line out.> Actually you want to use all the scope you can. As long as you will not swing into another boat or the hard it's the best policy. Richard Smith From mltroy at verizon.net Tue Jun 21 21:22:06 2005 From: mltroy at verizon.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Tue Jun 21 20:22:10 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050621201820.020497f0@incoming.verizon.net> Slim, We keep our primary anchor, its chain and rode in a mesh bag in the lazarette. The rode is marked with those vinyl markers available at the marine stores. Mary Lou 1991 R22 Fretless Swan Creek, MD / Ft. Washington, PA At 02:09 PM 6/21/2005 -0500, you wrote: >For those of you who stow an anchor or two in a basket under the cockpit >seats, how do you secure it and prevent it from sliding out on a heel? > >Also, do any of you mark your rode so you know how much you've let out? If >so, what did you use? > >Thanks, > >Slim > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Tue Jun 21 23:33:49 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Tue Jun 21 22:33:59 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints In-Reply-To: <20050610164111.32973.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050610164111.32973.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42B8CE0D.60105@effros.com> Thanks to all for the BBQ joints. I will follow up all suggestions in my travels. For the record, my favorite BBQ style is Eastern NC. My favorite place is Clarks in Tioga, Texas (which serves Texas style). The strangest I have ever had is Western Ky BBQ lamb. Peking Duck is my favorite BBQ fowl. Bill Effros brad haslett wrote: >Bill, > >Corky's here in the BBQ capital of the world is >considered among the best. They FedEx nationwide. >Let me know what address you want it sent to and I'll >ship some. Come down here for Memphis in May, a month >long music and BBQ festival. There are a lot of things >I don't like about Memphis but two things we've got >plenty of are BBQ joints and churches. > >Brad > >--- Bill Effros wrote: > > > >>I've traveled far and wide in this country in >>pursuit of BBQ joints (One >>of the few foods not readily available in >>outstanding quality around >>NYC). I'd love to know people's favorites, the type >>of BBQ considered >>their specialty, and driving instructions. >> >>Bill Effros >> >>brad haslett wrote: >> >> >> >>>Wally, >>> >>>Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, >>>you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on >>>Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If >>> >>> >>my >> >> >>>schedule works out this September I'm going to take >>>the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I >>> >>> >>haven't >> >> >>>actually done the math but I think I can do it in >>>about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days >>> >>> >>just >> >> >>>to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I >>> >>> >>hook-up >> >> >>>with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes >>>some time to recover. >>> >>>Brad >>> >>>--- Wally Buck wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to >>>> >>>> >>your >> >> >>>>end of the river. I >>>>have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I >>>> >>>> >>need >> >> >>>>to get off my a** and >>>>get it done. >>>> >>>>Wally >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "anima13" >>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>areas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop >>>>> >>>>> >>here >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>and say the sailing is >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>better >>>>>here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. >>>>>Anne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Behalf Of J Cook >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>areas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled >>>>> >>>>> >>our >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>boat out from the St >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>John's River, which is nice during the winter but >>>>> >>>>> >>I >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>don't like it as much >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>during the summer. She (our boat) spent last >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>hurricane season moored out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>in >>>>>the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>make a run for it this >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>year. >>>>> >>>>>We've trailered her to the Keys from here a >>>>> >>>>> >>couple >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>of times. That's a full >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>of boating, but even if I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the >>>>> >>>>> >>hull >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>speed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I've just been having fantasies about some cooler >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>weather of late. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Joseph >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Robert >>>>> >>>>> >>Quinn >> >> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>areas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>think you are just running >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> from the storm brewing to the south of us. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Kathy and I were supposed to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> head down to Marathon today for a week but we >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>cancelled out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. >>>>> >>>>> Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "J Cook" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >=== message truncated === > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 22 08:47:30 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 22 07:47:40 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors In-Reply-To: <102.63851f4a.2fe9d7df@aol.com> References: <102.63851f4a.2fe9d7df@aol.com> Message-ID: <42B94FD2.6070605@effros.com> Slim, Rummy doesn't know me. Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in the Laz.) I can get to the ones under the seat fastest. I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts, inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm experimenting this summer. I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute. The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot. The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no exposed anchor tines. I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor from the stern most of the time because I am lazy. Bill Effros R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: >Slimmy, >I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that sucker >ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat. I keep >a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few other >miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette. >I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes out >by accident. >I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the knots in >the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise. >You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the heat >pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two days >before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's >repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to tough it out >and drink more cooling liquids. > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 22 09:28:32 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 22 08:28:39 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B95970.3050903@effros.com> Have we ever talked about this? Most of us know the Red, Right, Returning Rule--but we can forget what it means, or not know that it is not universal. We learn the rules for our home waters, but forget how to apply them when we have a lot of other things going on. Channels that run parallel to the mainland usually have red on the mainland side, but if they fork off to sea, that can switch mid course. Also, how you apply the rules changes, depending on which side of (for instance) Florida you are sailing, with regard to where you keep the red marker when sailing south. The rule for Intracoastal Channels is actually "Red, Right, Clockwise--New England to Texas". Watch the numbers on markers. They increase as you approach the harbor, which is how you can know if you are "returning", and which rule is meant to apply. Looking at charts before looking at markers can be quite helpful. Please note, also, that in many parts of the world the rule is "Green, Right, Returning". Bill Effros William E. Wickman wrote: >I didn't take any pictures traveling up Core Sound until that night once we >got anchored. I was in survival mode and picture taking was the last thing >on my mind. I didn't see any good anchorages along Core Sound past >Atlantic. The charts looked like there might be something south, but my >steerage was really bad at the time and with the deteriorating weather and >waves, I didn't want to venture out of the channel at all. The cut before >Cedar Island is pretty well marked, but I was surprised that the waves were >almost as rough as Core Sound even though there was a land mass blocking >the long fetch that existed in the Sound. I think the high winds resulted >in any open water area being rough. In calmer weather, navigation would be >a walk in the park. The bridge was a new high rise with plenty of >clearance. The final cut over to West Bay was very narrow and VERY shallow >at the edges. You really have to stay in the channel through this stretch, >even with a 20" draft. I made the mental mistake of passing the green >markers to port and red to starboard through the entire channel; or at >least until I ran aground north of the bridge. The channel markers change >over once you pass under the bridge to where you should pass with the green >to starboard. I don't know why they did that , but the mistake cost me >some anxious moments of getting unstuck while the wind blasted the boat >further onto the shoal and the weather called for lightening and gusts up >to 60 mph later that evening. After getting unstuck, there was some really >nice anchorage past the cut. It is all wildlife refuge so there is >absolutely no development for miles around. It is mostly marshland and >really quite beautiful. We rode out the storm nicely there. > >Bill W. > > > > >|---------+----------------------------------> >| | "ed kroposki" | >| | | >| | Sent by: | >| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >| | hodes22.org | >| | | >| | | >| | 06/10/2005 11:45 AM | >| | Please respond to The | >| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >| | | >|---------+----------------------------------> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" | > | cc: | > | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's outer banks trip | > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > >Bill: > >Fantastic, your sunset scene will now replace Peter's! > >Furthermore, maybe those shots will entice some other Rhodies to the area. > >Are you hiding anymore? Did you take any shots while motoring up the >channel by Atlantic and Davis? Did you see any moorings in those areas. >How was the trip in the cut before Cedar Island? Was there a draw bridge >involved? Or is that where they put that new high rise bridge? > >Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer? I think that might be in >order for taking pictures. I do not have the autopilot. > >Ed K >Greenville, SC, USA > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From hnw555 at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 09:37:46 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Wed Jun 22 08:37:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning In-Reply-To: <42B95970.3050903@effros.com> References: <42B95970.3050903@effros.com> Message-ID: I'm a little confused. If you have markers on either side of you, whether they be red/right - green/left or vice versa, aren't you in the channel? If you are outside the channel you will have both markers on one side. So if Bill W had markers on either side, how did he run aground? Hank On 6/22/05, Bill Effros wrote: > Have we ever talked about this? > > Most of us know the Red, Right, Returning Rule--but we can forget what > it means, or not know that it is not universal. > > We learn the rules for our home waters, but forget how to apply them > when we have a lot of other things going on. > > Channels that run parallel to the mainland usually have red on the > mainland side, but if they fork off to sea, that can switch mid course. > Also, how you apply the rules changes, depending on which side of (for > instance) Florida you are sailing, with regard to where you keep the red > marker when sailing south. The rule for Intracoastal Channels is > actually "Red, Right, Clockwise--New England to Texas". > > Watch the numbers on markers. They increase as you approach the harbor, > which is how you can know if you are "returning", and which rule is > meant to apply. Looking at charts before looking at markers can be > quite helpful. > > Please note, also, that in many parts of the world the rule is "Green, > Right, Returning". > > Bill Effros > > > William E. Wickman wrote: > > >I didn't take any pictures traveling up Core Sound until that night once we > >got anchored. I was in survival mode and picture taking was the last thing > >on my mind. I didn't see any good anchorages along Core Sound past > >Atlantic. The charts looked like there might be something south, but my > >steerage was really bad at the time and with the deteriorating weather and > >waves, I didn't want to venture out of the channel at all. The cut before > >Cedar Island is pretty well marked, but I was surprised that the waves were > >almost as rough as Core Sound even though there was a land mass blocking > >the long fetch that existed in the Sound. I think the high winds resulted > >in any open water area being rough. In calmer weather, navigation would be > >a walk in the park. The bridge was a new high rise with plenty of > >clearance. The final cut over to West Bay was very narrow and VERY shallow > >at the edges. You really have to stay in the channel through this stretch, > >even with a 20" draft. I made the mental mistake of passing the green > >markers to port and red to starboard through the entire channel; or at > >least until I ran aground north of the bridge. The channel markers change > >over once you pass under the bridge to where you should pass with the green > >to starboard. I don't know why they did that , but the mistake cost me > >some anxious moments of getting unstuck while the wind blasted the boat > >further onto the shoal and the weather called for lightening and gusts up > >to 60 mph later that evening. After getting unstuck, there was some really > >nice anchorage past the cut. It is all wildlife refuge so there is > >absolutely no development for miles around. It is mostly marshland and > >really quite beautiful. We rode out the storm nicely there. > > > >Bill W. > > > > > > > > > >|---------+----------------------------------> > >| | "ed kroposki" | > >| | | > >| | Sent by: | > >| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| > >| | hodes22.org | > >| | | > >| | | > >| | 06/10/2005 11:45 AM | > >| | Please respond to The | > >| | Rhodes 22 mail list | > >| | | > >|---------+----------------------------------> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > | | > > | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" | > > | cc: | > > | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's outer banks trip | > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > > > > >Bill: > > > >Fantastic, your sunset scene will now replace Peter's! > > > >Furthermore, maybe those shots will entice some other Rhodies to the area. > > > >Are you hiding anymore? Did you take any shots while motoring up the > >channel by Atlantic and Davis? Did you see any moorings in those areas. > >How was the trip in the cut before Cedar Island? Was there a draw bridge > >involved? Or is that where they put that new high rise bridge? > > > >Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer? I think that might be in > >order for taking pictures. I do not have the autopilot. > > > >Ed K > >Greenville, SC, USA > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From R22RumRunner at aol.com Wed Jun 22 09:44:17 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 22 08:44:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning Message-ID: <1fa.b092197.2feab721@aol.com> Bill, Funny you should mention red markers. I went out for a sail last night and ran over a red can. I never saw the damn thing. I haven't a clue how it happened. Rummy From SVTRITON at aol.com Wed Jun 22 09:48:40 2005 From: SVTRITON at aol.com (SVTRITON@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 22 08:48:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning Message-ID: <1fb.b0fd652.2feab828@aol.com> o comon rummy..not even a clue??? From wewickman at duke-energy.com Wed Jun 22 09:51:58 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Wed Jun 22 08:52:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning Message-ID: What threw me off (resulting in my grounding) was that all the markers in the bay and channel approaching the bridge were "red right returning" which made sense because I was traveling further inland. The switch came after I passed under the bridge. It wasn't readily apparent because the next marker after the bridge was some distance away and at a bend in the channel. This waterway was no where near the Intracoastal. There were no branching channels. It was a very straightforward passage except for the switch in the color. Had I studied the chart more closely, I probably would have figured out that I should have passed to the left of the green marker, but I never dreamed that they would switch midway through a channel like that. Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | Bill Effros | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/22/2005 08:28 AM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list | | cc: | | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Have we ever talked about this? Most of us know the Red, Right, Returning Rule--but we can forget what it means, or not know that it is not universal. We learn the rules for our home waters, but forget how to apply them when we have a lot of other things going on. Channels that run parallel to the mainland usually have red on the mainland side, but if they fork off to sea, that can switch mid course. Also, how you apply the rules changes, depending on which side of (for instance) Florida you are sailing, with regard to where you keep the red marker when sailing south. The rule for Intracoastal Channels is actually "Red, Right, Clockwise--New England to Texas". Watch the numbers on markers. They increase as you approach the harbor, which is how you can know if you are "returning", and which rule is meant to apply. Looking at charts before looking at markers can be quite helpful. Please note, also, that in many parts of the world the rule is "Green, Right, Returning". Bill Effros William E. Wickman wrote: >I didn't take any pictures traveling up Core Sound until that night once we >got anchored. I was in survival mode and picture taking was the last thing >on my mind. I didn't see any good anchorages along Core Sound past >Atlantic. The charts looked like there might be something south, but my >steerage was really bad at the time and with the deteriorating weather and >waves, I didn't want to venture out of the channel at all. The cut before >Cedar Island is pretty well marked, but I was surprised that the waves were >almost as rough as Core Sound even though there was a land mass blocking >the long fetch that existed in the Sound. I think the high winds resulted >in any open water area being rough. In calmer weather, navigation would be >a walk in the park. The bridge was a new high rise with plenty of >clearance. The final cut over to West Bay was very narrow and VERY shallow >at the edges. You really have to stay in the channel through this stretch, >even with a 20" draft. I made the mental mistake of passing the green >markers to port and red to starboard through the entire channel; or at >least until I ran aground north of the bridge. The channel markers change >over once you pass under the bridge to where you should pass with the green >to starboard. I don't know why they did that , but the mistake cost me >some anxious moments of getting unstuck while the wind blasted the boat >further onto the shoal and the weather called for lightening and gusts up >to 60 mph later that evening. After getting unstuck, there was some really >nice anchorage past the cut. It is all wildlife refuge so there is >absolutely no development for miles around. It is mostly marshland and >really quite beautiful. We rode out the storm nicely there. > >Bill W. > > > > >|---------+----------------------------------> >| | "ed kroposki" | >| | | >| | Sent by: | >| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >| | hodes22.org | >| | | >| | | >| | 06/10/2005 11:45 AM | >| | Please respond to The | >| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >| | | >|---------+----------------------------------> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" | > | cc: | > | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's outer banks trip | > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > >Bill: > >Fantastic, your sunset scene will now replace Peter's! > >Furthermore, maybe those shots will entice some other Rhodies to the area. > >Are you hiding anymore? Did you take any shots while motoring up the >channel by Atlantic and Davis? Did you see any moorings in those areas. >How was the trip in the cut before Cedar Island? Was there a draw bridge >involved? Or is that where they put that new high rise bridge? > >Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer? I think that might be in >order for taking pictures. I do not have the autopilot. > >Ed K >Greenville, SC, USA > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From wewickman at duke-energy.com Wed Jun 22 10:19:07 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Wed Jun 22 09:19:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning Message-ID: Often, as was the case in this area, the red and green markers are not directly across from each other, but spaced far apart; sometimes as much as a mile or more. In more narrow channels with winding turns, there is usually just one marker (red or green) that lets you know what side of the turn to take. In larger passages, there are also range markers that boats can line up on to confirm that they are in the channel. Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | Hank | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/22/2005 08:37 AM | | | Please respond to Hank;| | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| I'm a little confused. If you have markers on either side of you, whether they be red/right - green/left or vice versa, aren't you in the channel? If you are outside the channel you will have both markers on one side. So if Bill W had markers on either side, how did he run aground? Hank On 6/22/05, Bill Effros wrote: > Have we ever talked about this? > > Most of us know the Red, Right, Returning Rule--but we can forget what > it means, or not know that it is not universal. > > We learn the rules for our home waters, but forget how to apply them > when we have a lot of other things going on. > > Channels that run parallel to the mainland usually have red on the > mainland side, but if they fork off to sea, that can switch mid course. > Also, how you apply the rules changes, depending on which side of (for > instance) Florida you are sailing, with regard to where you keep the red > marker when sailing south. The rule for Intracoastal Channels is > actually "Red, Right, Clockwise--New England to Texas". > > Watch the numbers on markers. They increase as you approach the harbor, > which is how you can know if you are "returning", and which rule is > meant to apply. Looking at charts before looking at markers can be > quite helpful. > > Please note, also, that in many parts of the world the rule is "Green, > Right, Returning". > > Bill Effros > > > William E. Wickman wrote: > > >I didn't take any pictures traveling up Core Sound until that night once we > >got anchored. I was in survival mode and picture taking was the last thing > >on my mind. I didn't see any good anchorages along Core Sound past > >Atlantic. The charts looked like there might be something south, but my > >steerage was really bad at the time and with the deteriorating weather and > >waves, I didn't want to venture out of the channel at all. The cut before > >Cedar Island is pretty well marked, but I was surprised that the waves were > >almost as rough as Core Sound even though there was a land mass blocking > >the long fetch that existed in the Sound. I think the high winds resulted > >in any open water area being rough. In calmer weather, navigation would be > >a walk in the park. The bridge was a new high rise with plenty of > >clearance. The final cut over to West Bay was very narrow and VERY shallow > >at the edges. You really have to stay in the channel through this stretch, > >even with a 20" draft. I made the mental mistake of passing the green > >markers to port and red to starboard through the entire channel; or at > >least until I ran aground north of the bridge. The channel markers change > >over once you pass under the bridge to where you should pass with the green > >to starboard. I don't know why they did that , but the mistake cost me > >some anxious moments of getting unstuck while the wind blasted the boat > >further onto the shoal and the weather called for lightening and gusts up > >to 60 mph later that evening. After getting unstuck, there was some really > >nice anchorage past the cut. It is all wildlife refuge so there is > >absolutely no development for miles around. It is mostly marshland and > >really quite beautiful. We rode out the storm nicely there. > > > >Bill W. > > > > > > > > > >|---------+----------------------------------> > >| | "ed kroposki" | > >| | | > >| | Sent by: | > >| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| > >| | hodes22.org | > >| | | > >| | | > >| | 06/10/2005 11:45 AM | > >| | Please respond to The | > >| | Rhodes 22 mail list | > >| | | > >|---------+----------------------------------> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > | | > > | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" | > > | cc: | > > | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's outer banks trip | > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > > > > >Bill: > > > >Fantastic, your sunset scene will now replace Peter's! > > > >Furthermore, maybe those shots will entice some other Rhodies to the area. > > > >Are you hiding anymore? Did you take any shots while motoring up the > >channel by Atlantic and Davis? Did you see any moorings in those areas. > >How was the trip in the cut before Cedar Island? Was there a draw bridge > >involved? Or is that where they put that new high rise bridge? > > > >Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer? I think that might be in > >order for taking pictures. I do not have the autopilot. > > > >Ed K > >Greenville, SC, USA > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From wewickman at duke-energy.com Wed Jun 22 10:24:28 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Wed Jun 22 09:24:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors Message-ID: Bill E., Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've got two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on my last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they don't have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a lunch hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you recommend? Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | Bill Effros | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/22/2005 07:47 AM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Slim, Rummy doesn't know me. Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in the Laz.) I can get to the ones under the seat fastest. I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts, inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm experimenting this summer. I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute. The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot. The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no exposed anchor tines. I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor from the stern most of the time because I am lazy. Bill Effros R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: >Slimmy, >I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that sucker >ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat. I keep >a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few other >miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette. >I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes out >by accident. >I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the knots in >the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise. >You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the heat >pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two days >before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's >repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to tough it out >and drink more cooling liquids. > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jdwhite at utpa.edu Wed Jun 22 09:51:06 2005 From: jdwhite at utpa.edu (Jim White) Date: Wed Jun 22 09:51:53 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints In-Reply-To: <42B8CE0D.60105@effros.com> References: <20050610164111.32973.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42B8CE0D.60105@effros.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050622083605.022bdd80@pop3.panam.edu> Bill, For what it's worth...there's a local-legendary BBQ joint in Robstown Texas about thirty miles inland from Corpus Christi, named Joe Cottons. The BBQ is King Ranch style, with sauce on request. People routinely drive from as far as the Valley (about 130 miles from here) to soak up the BBQ brisket or sausage served on wax paper... jw Jim White Le Menagerie www.lemenagerie.blogspot.com From hnw555 at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 10:57:33 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Wed Jun 22 09:57:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050622083605.022bdd80@pop3.panam.edu> References: <20050610164111.32973.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42B8CE0D.60105@effros.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050622083605.022bdd80@pop3.panam.edu> Message-ID: Jim, Are you just trying to piss me off? Talking about good BBQ like that and getting my mouth watering knowing that there isn't any good BBQ within 500 miles of Maryland! It's just not fair! Oh, to be back in Texas, the ONLY state that really understands good BBQ, where it is a religion, not a cuisine. Hank Displaced Texan On 6/22/05, Jim White wrote: > Bill, > For what it's worth...there's a local-legendary BBQ joint in Robstown Texas > about thirty miles inland from Corpus Christi, named Joe Cottons. The BBQ > is King Ranch style, with sauce on request. People routinely drive from as > far as the Valley (about 130 miles from here) to soak up the BBQ brisket or > sausage served on wax paper... > jw > > Jim White > Le Menagerie > www.lemenagerie.blogspot.com > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From lcrowther at cox.net Wed Jun 22 12:26:42 2005 From: lcrowther at cox.net (Lloyd Crowther) Date: Wed Jun 22 11:26:56 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning References: <42B95970.3050903@effros.com> Message-ID: <003701c5773e$cb535140$1402a8c0@lloydpc> Bill, If we limit the discussion to the lateral (buoys or beacons that indicate the port and starboard sides of a route to be followed) system of Aids to Navigation (ATON) my belief is that the buoyage system is numbered beginning where entered from seaward. Each branching waterway begins a fresh numbering system but the red-right (even number)-returning rule of entering from seaward continues. Where branching channels occur, the preferred channel buoy (or beacon) is marked with a letter, not a number, and has the color of the preferred channel (the main channel) on top and the local channel color below. The intercoastal waterway is numbered southbound, which seems to support your mainland side marked with red concept; however in many cases the inland waterway shares buoyage with other channels. In the intercoastal waterway the buoyage system is marked as either a a painted on (or decaled) yellow square - keep the ATON on the left (southbound), or a yellow triangle - keep the ATON on the right. The shape of the painted on yellow marker (not the color or shape of the buoy or daymark itself) determines the side to pass on when using the ICW. In many areas (Fort Lauderdale comes to mind) the normal channel, being marked from seaward in, is contrary to the ICW (marked from North to South). In those cases, the 'red to mainland side' saying can give you big troubles. Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning > Have we ever talked about this? > > Most of us know the Red, Right, Returning Rule--but we can forget what it > means, or not know that it is not universal. > > We learn the rules for our home waters, but forget how to apply them when > we have a lot of other things going on. > > Channels that run parallel to the mainland usually have red on the > mainland side, but if they fork off to sea, that can switch mid course. > Also, how you apply the rules changes, depending on which side of (for > instance) Florida you are sailing, with regard to where you keep the red > marker when sailing south. The rule for Intracoastal Channels is actually > "Red, Right, Clockwise--New England to Texas". > > Watch the numbers on markers. They increase as you approach the harbor, > which is how you can know if you are "returning", and which rule is meant > to apply. Looking at charts before looking at markers can be quite > helpful. > > Please note, also, that in many parts of the world the rule is "Green, > Right, Returning". > > Bill Effros > > > William E. Wickman wrote: > >>I didn't take any pictures traveling up Core Sound until that night once >>we >>got anchored. I was in survival mode and picture taking was the last >>thing >>on my mind. I didn't see any good anchorages along Core Sound past >>Atlantic. The charts looked like there might be something south, but my >>steerage was really bad at the time and with the deteriorating weather and >>waves, I didn't want to venture out of the channel at all. The cut before >>Cedar Island is pretty well marked, but I was surprised that the waves >>were >>almost as rough as Core Sound even though there was a land mass blocking >>the long fetch that existed in the Sound. I think the high winds resulted >>in any open water area being rough. In calmer weather, navigation would >>be >>a walk in the park. The bridge was a new high rise with plenty of >>clearance. The final cut over to West Bay was very narrow and VERY >>shallow >>at the edges. You really have to stay in the channel through this >>stretch, >>even with a 20" draft. I made the mental mistake of passing the green >>markers to port and red to starboard through the entire channel; or at >>least until I ran aground north of the bridge. The channel markers change >>over once you pass under the bridge to where you should pass with the >>green >>to starboard. I don't know why they did that , but the mistake cost me >>some anxious moments of getting unstuck while the wind blasted the boat >>further onto the shoal and the weather called for lightening and gusts up >>to 60 mph later that evening. After getting unstuck, there was some >>really >>nice anchorage past the cut. It is all wildlife refuge so there is >>absolutely no development for miles around. It is mostly marshland and >>really quite beautiful. We rode out the storm nicely there. >> >>Bill W. >> >> >> >> >>|---------+----------------------------------> >>| | "ed kroposki" | >>| | | >>| | Sent by: | >>| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >>| | hodes22.org | >>| | | >>| | | >>| | 06/10/2005 11:45 AM | >>| | Please respond to The | >>| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >>| | | >>|---------+----------------------------------> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> | >> | >> | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >> >> | >> | cc: >> | >> | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's outer banks trip >> | >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> >> >> >> >>Bill: >> >>Fantastic, your sunset scene will now replace Peter's! >> >>Furthermore, maybe those shots will entice some other Rhodies to the area. >> >>Are you hiding anymore? Did you take any shots while motoring up the >>channel by Atlantic and Davis? Did you see any moorings in those areas. >>How was the trip in the cut before Cedar Island? Was there a draw bridge >>involved? Or is that where they put that new high rise bridge? >> >>Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer? I think that might be in >>order for taking pictures. I do not have the autopilot. >> >>Ed K >>Greenville, SC, USA >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 22 13:29:18 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 22 12:29:32 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning In-Reply-To: References: <42B95970.3050903@effros.com> Message-ID: <42B991DE.9070007@effros.com> Hank, Bill W. got this right in his reply. The markers are strung out, and you've got to know which side to pass on. Everyone knows the rules in their own waters, it's when you're away from home that the troubles start. In my local harbor, Nun 2 sits astride rocks. The buoy wanders from year to year. The channel silts in over the years. The tidal variation is at least 7 feet. Local guys, high tide, you can cut well to the right of Nun 2 and save 5 minutes getting into the harbor. Low tide you'd better put that Nun 15 feet to the right of your boat coming in or you can hit rocks in a Rhodes. I no longer use my local knowledge on this because I'm afraid someone will follow me in on high tide and then get hurt trying to reverse course 6 hours later. This particular group of rocks is never above the surface of the water. Bill Effros Hank wrote: >I'm a little confused. If you have markers on either side of you, >whether they be red/right - green/left or vice versa, aren't you in >the channel? If you are outside the channel you will have both >markers on one side. So if Bill W had markers on either side, how did >he run aground? > >Hank > >On 6/22/05, Bill Effros wrote: > > >>Have we ever talked about this? >> >>Most of us know the Red, Right, Returning Rule--but we can forget what >>it means, or not know that it is not universal. >> >>We learn the rules for our home waters, but forget how to apply them >>when we have a lot of other things going on. >> >>Channels that run parallel to the mainland usually have red on the >>mainland side, but if they fork off to sea, that can switch mid course. >>Also, how you apply the rules changes, depending on which side of (for >>instance) Florida you are sailing, with regard to where you keep the red >>marker when sailing south. The rule for Intracoastal Channels is >>actually "Red, Right, Clockwise--New England to Texas". >> >>Watch the numbers on markers. They increase as you approach the harbor, >>which is how you can know if you are "returning", and which rule is >>meant to apply. Looking at charts before looking at markers can be >>quite helpful. >> >>Please note, also, that in many parts of the world the rule is "Green, >>Right, Returning". >> >>Bill Effros >> >> >>William E. Wickman wrote: >> >> >> >>>I didn't take any pictures traveling up Core Sound until that night once we >>>got anchored. I was in survival mode and picture taking was the last thing >>>on my mind. I didn't see any good anchorages along Core Sound past >>>Atlantic. The charts looked like there might be something south, but my >>>steerage was really bad at the time and with the deteriorating weather and >>>waves, I didn't want to venture out of the channel at all. The cut before >>>Cedar Island is pretty well marked, but I was surprised that the waves were >>>almost as rough as Core Sound even though there was a land mass blocking >>>the long fetch that existed in the Sound. I think the high winds resulted >>>in any open water area being rough. In calmer weather, navigation would be >>>a walk in the park. The bridge was a new high rise with plenty of >>>clearance. The final cut over to West Bay was very narrow and VERY shallow >>>at the edges. You really have to stay in the channel through this stretch, >>>even with a 20" draft. I made the mental mistake of passing the green >>>markers to port and red to starboard through the entire channel; or at >>>least until I ran aground north of the bridge. The channel markers change >>>over once you pass under the bridge to where you should pass with the green >>>to starboard. I don't know why they did that , but the mistake cost me >>>some anxious moments of getting unstuck while the wind blasted the boat >>>further onto the shoal and the weather called for lightening and gusts up >>>to 60 mph later that evening. After getting unstuck, there was some really >>>nice anchorage past the cut. It is all wildlife refuge so there is >>>absolutely no development for miles around. It is mostly marshland and >>>really quite beautiful. We rode out the storm nicely there. >>> >>>Bill W. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>|---------+----------------------------------> >>>| | "ed kroposki" | >>>| | | >>>| | Sent by: | >>>| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >>>| | hodes22.org | >>>| | | >>>| | | >>>| | 06/10/2005 11:45 AM | >>>| | Please respond to The | >>>| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >>>| | | >>>|---------+----------------------------------> >>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| >>> | | >>> | To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" | >>> | cc: | >>> | Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Bill W's outer banks trip | >>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Bill: >>> >>>Fantastic, your sunset scene will now replace Peter's! >>> >>>Furthermore, maybe those shots will entice some other Rhodies to the area. >>> >>>Are you hiding anymore? Did you take any shots while motoring up the >>>channel by Atlantic and Davis? Did you see any moorings in those areas. >>>How was the trip in the cut before Cedar Island? Was there a draw bridge >>>involved? Or is that where they put that new high rise bridge? >>> >>>Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer? I think that might be in >>>order for taking pictures. I do not have the autopilot. >>> >>>Ed K >>>Greenville, SC, USA >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 22 14:58:21 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 22 13:58:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B9A6BD.90707@effros.com> Bill, Nobody is the expert. These are things we each try, and report back to each other what works. Your experience with the Fortress validates my experiences in less extreme situations, and I am grateful for your input. This list went through a period of recommending bigger and bigger multi-hundred dollar anchors that nobody ever used because they would not fit on the boat and could not be disassembled. Wally (I think it was) almost got hooted off the list when he said he used a milk jug full of sand (or something like that) with an empty milk jug as a buoy on the other end to mark his place and staked out good moorings early in the day, sailed all day, then returned to his spot and picked up his line. What did he have to lose? 2 empty milk jugs? That seemed a much better solution to me! It worked. People don't steal milk jugs full of sand. If you use this idea only to reserve a good anchoring spot early in the day it's a good idea. And so it goes. People who say mushroom anchors don't have holding power don't know what they are talking about. My boat is permanently anchored on a 300 lb. mushroom anchor, as are all the other boats in the harbor. 2:1 scope at a maximum. 32 foot maximum length. As noted in the hurricane discussion, there are hundreds of boats and they never drag into each other, even during hurricanes. Last weekend I saw a big power boat grab my neighbor's mooring when the tide was roughly 4 feet above low tide. He could barely get the eye of the mooring line around his cleat. His scope was 1:1. After lunch he couldn't remove the line from his cleat. It was pulling his bow into the water with a force in excess of 300 pounds. He could have cut it, but he wasn't likely to do so with me watching. He waited for low tide, and maybe he learned something. (Probably not.) A jug of sand is all you need for a lunch hook most of the time. A vinyl covered mushroom anchor will do just fine if you want to get fancy. A shaped anchor with hooks or plows can be lighter than a jug of sand, provided you know how to set it properly. The same is true of shaped mushroom anchors. Multiple anchors are better than counting on a single anchor resetting. Where I live you will always get a 180 degree current shift while you are asleep. This summer's project is devoted to finding out how little anchor you really need. I already know you don't need chain--again, I think it was Wally who first made this observation, and again to much derision. He was the guy who actually anchored all the time. Everyone else was reading magazines all winter. It should come as no surprise that he was right. Try it. When you are just playing, as I will be this summer, you can throw anything into the water and see what works. If you drift, there is no harm done, and you take care of it. But if you don't drift, and you greatly simplify every aspect of anchoring, you will be much more likely to anchor more often, and to know you are safely anchoring every time. Bill Effros William E. Wickman wrote: >Bill E., >Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've got >two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on my >last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its >performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so >please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever >used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they don't >have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a lunch >hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you recommend? > >Bill W. > > > > >|---------+----------------------------------> >| | Bill Effros | >| | | >| | Sent by: | >| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >| | hodes22.org | >| | | >| | | >| | 06/22/2005 07:47 AM | >| | Please respond to The | >| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >| | | >|---------+----------------------------------> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list | > | cc: | > | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors | > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > >Slim, > >Rummy doesn't know me. > >Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in >the Laz.) > >I can get to the ones under the seat fastest. > >I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port >seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on >this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts, >inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of >different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm >experimenting this summer. > >I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute. >The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew >to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot. > >The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot >escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never >escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the >Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no >exposed anchor tines. > >I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor >from the stern most of the time because I am lazy. > >Bill Effros > > >R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: > > > >>Slimmy, >>I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that sucker >> >> > > > >>ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat. I >> >> >keep > > >>a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few other >> >> > > > >>miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette. >>I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes >> >> >out > > >>by accident. >>I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the knots >> >> >in > > >>the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise. >>You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the >> >> >heat > > >>pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two >> >> >days > > >>before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's >>repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to >> >> >tough it out > > >>and drink more cooling liquids. >> >>Rummy >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 22 15:00:17 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 22 14:00:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B9A731.8070806@effros.com> Forgot to mention. I have folding grapnels of different sizes. Trying to figure out how little I can get away with. Will let you know. Bill Effros William E. Wickman wrote: >Bill E., >Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've got >two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on my >last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its >performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so >please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever >used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they don't >have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a lunch >hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you recommend? > >Bill W. > > > > >|---------+----------------------------------> >| | Bill Effros | >| | | >| | Sent by: | >| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >| | hodes22.org | >| | | >| | | >| | 06/22/2005 07:47 AM | >| | Please respond to The | >| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >| | | >|---------+----------------------------------> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list | > | cc: | > | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors | > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > >Slim, > >Rummy doesn't know me. > >Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in >the Laz.) > >I can get to the ones under the seat fastest. > >I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port >seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on >this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts, >inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of >different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm >experimenting this summer. > >I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute. >The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew >to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot. > >The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot >escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never >escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the >Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no >exposed anchor tines. > >I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor >from the stern most of the time because I am lazy. > >Bill Effros > > >R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: > > > >>Slimmy, >>I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that sucker >> >> > > > >>ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat. I >> >> >keep > > >>a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few other >> >> > > > >>miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette. >>I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes >> >> >out > > >>by accident. >>I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the knots >> >> >in > > >>the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise. >>You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the >> >> >heat > > >>pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two >> >> >days > > >>before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's >>repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to >> >> >tough it out > > >>and drink more cooling liquids. >> >>Rummy >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 22 15:15:40 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 22 14:15:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050622083605.022bdd80@pop3.panam.edu> References: <20050610164111.32973.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42B8CE0D.60105@effros.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050622083605.022bdd80@pop3.panam.edu> Message-ID: <42B9AACC.9030007@effros.com> Thanks, Jim, It's worth a lot. I've often driven hundreds of miles out of my way for good BBQ, but you don't do it if you don't know where they are. The next time I find myself anywhere near Corpus Christi I'll check it out. Bill Effros Jim White wrote: > Bill, > For what it's worth...there's a local-legendary BBQ joint in Robstown > Texas about thirty miles inland from Corpus Christi, named Joe > Cottons. The BBQ is King Ranch style, with sauce on request. People > routinely drive from as far as the Valley (about 130 miles from here) > to soak up the BBQ brisket or sausage served on wax paper... > jw > > Jim White > Le Menagerie > www.lemenagerie.blogspot.com > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 22 15:18:54 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 22 14:17:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors References: <42B9A6BD.90707@effros.com> Message-ID: <006601c57756$d9787490$660fa8c0@dell330> Bill, I agree a 10# mushroom makes a great lunch hook. After reading your posts, we used one with just a 3/8" line and a 5/16 quick link shackle on our long Memorial Day weekend trip to Kerr Lake. Quick, easy, and it holds the same in any direction (no resets for windshifts). In ten knots of breeze with a Carolina red clay bottom it held just fine. Not sure I could trust it overnight a breeze though. I like you minimalist thinking. Use the right anchor for the job -- very elegant. PT PS - What's happened to Wilbers? I'll grant you the decor is as bad as the pit cooked barbeque is delicious. We usually stop there every trip to Oriental, maybe once or twice a year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors > Bill, > > Nobody is the expert. These are things we each try, and report back to > each other what works. Your experience with the Fortress validates my > experiences in less extreme situations, and I am grateful for your input. > > This list went through a period of recommending bigger and bigger > multi-hundred dollar anchors that nobody ever used because they would > not fit on the boat and could not be disassembled. > > Wally (I think it was) almost got hooted off the list when he said he > used a milk jug full of sand (or something like that) with an empty milk > jug as a buoy on the other end to mark his place and staked out good > moorings early in the day, sailed all day, then returned to his spot and > picked up his line. What did he have to lose? 2 empty milk jugs? > > That seemed a much better solution to me! It worked. People don't > steal milk jugs full of sand. If you use this idea only to reserve a > good anchoring spot early in the day it's a good idea. > > And so it goes. > > People who say mushroom anchors don't have holding power don't know what > they are talking about. My boat is permanently anchored on a 300 lb. > mushroom anchor, as are all the other boats in the harbor. 2:1 scope at > a maximum. 32 foot maximum length. As noted in the hurricane > discussion, there are hundreds of boats and they never drag into each > other, even during hurricanes. > > Last weekend I saw a big power boat grab my neighbor's mooring when the > tide was roughly 4 feet above low tide. He could barely get the eye of > the mooring line around his cleat. His scope was 1:1. After lunch he > couldn't remove the line from his cleat. It was pulling his bow into > the water with a force in excess of 300 pounds. He could have cut it, > but he wasn't likely to do so with me watching. He waited for low tide, > and maybe he learned something. (Probably not.) > > A jug of sand is all you need for a lunch hook most of the time. A > vinyl covered mushroom anchor will do just fine if you want to get > fancy. A shaped anchor with hooks or plows can be lighter than a jug of > sand, provided you know how to set it properly. The same is true of > shaped mushroom anchors. > > Multiple anchors are better than counting on a single anchor resetting. > > Where I live you will always get a 180 degree current shift while you > are asleep. > > This summer's project is devoted to finding out how little anchor you > really need. I already know you don't need chain--again, I think it was > Wally who first made this observation, and again to much derision. He > was the guy who actually anchored all the time. Everyone else was > reading magazines all winter. It should come as no surprise that he was > right. Try it. > > When you are just playing, as I will be this summer, you can throw > anything into the water and see what works. If you drift, there is no > harm done, and you take care of it. But if you don't drift, and you > greatly simplify every aspect of anchoring, you will be much more likely > to anchor more often, and to know you are safely anchoring every time. > > Bill Effros > > > > > > > William E. Wickman wrote: > > >Bill E., > >Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've got > >two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on my > >last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its > >performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so > >please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever > >used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they don't > >have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a lunch > >hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you recommend? > > > >Bill W. > > > > > > > > > >|---------+----------------------------------> > >| | Bill Effros | > >| | | > >| | Sent by: | > >| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| > >| | hodes22.org | > >| | | > >| | | > >| | 06/22/2005 07:47 AM | > >| | Please respond to The | > >| | Rhodes 22 mail list | > >| | | > >|---------+----------------------------------> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| > > | | > > | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list | > > | cc: | > > | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors | > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > > > > >Slim, > > > >Rummy doesn't know me. > > > >Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in > >the Laz.) > > > >I can get to the ones under the seat fastest. > > > >I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port > >seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on > >this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts, > >inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of > >different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm > >experimenting this summer. > > > >I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute. > >The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew > >to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot. > > > >The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot > >escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never > >escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the > >Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no > >exposed anchor tines. > > > >I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor > >from the stern most of the time because I am lazy. > > > >Bill Effros > > > > > >R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > >>Slimmy, > >>I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that sucker > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat. I > >> > >> > >keep > > > > > >>a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few other > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette. > >>I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes > >> > >> > >out > > > > > >>by accident. > >>I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the knots > >> > >> > >in > > > > > >>the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise. > >>You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the > >> > >> > >heat > > > > > >>pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two > >> > >> > >days > > > > > >>before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's > >>repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to > >> > >> > >tough it out > > > > > >>and drink more cooling liquids. > >> > >>Rummy > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From lsr3 at MAIL.nyu.edu Wed Jun 22 15:30:20 2005 From: lsr3 at MAIL.nyu.edu (Lou Rosenberg) Date: Wed Jun 22 14:31:04 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] In search of " Lands End" In-Reply-To: <42B9A731.8070806@effros.com> References: <42B9A731.8070806@effros.com> Message-ID: I was working at the Huntington Harbor Club in Long Island and pulled my van into the lot which looked out upon so many distractions to my work as a videographer. My epoxy weary eyes immediately found a Rhodes 22 bobbing around, almost right in front of me. " Lands End " is on her transom and I would like to just like to say that seeing a R22 amongst all those high end yachts really made my day!! So thanks to you sir or lady, for keeping your boat visible to this landlubbering project ( Rhodes22) boat rebuilder. peace Lou From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 22 16:28:24 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 22 15:26:50 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Upper Chesapeake Rhodies Message-ID: <001f01c57760$8e956b90$660fa8c0@dell330> Todd, Lloyd, Mary Lou, Fred and other Chesapeake Rhodies, Three boats plan to meet up in your area at Casa Rio Marina, Mayo, MD (about 10 miles south of Annapolis on the West River) on Wednesday June 29th for a 10 day trip. Along with Tana and me on R22 Raven, friends George and Betsy of Asheboro, NC in a renovated Paceship 23 and Cousin Tom and his friend Katherine in a Mac26x from Babylon, NY are all signed up for this adventure.. Any boat wishing to join our fleet is more than welcome. We are considering visiting Annapolis on July 4th for the fireworks http://www.annapolis.gov/headlines.asp?ID=4285. Can anyone offer any information about this? It looks like this might be a good spot to be in a boat that night. We don't have a float plan yet, so if you can suggest good anchorages, restaurants, marinas (we like value) or, on the other hand, pitfalls to avoid - we would be much obliged. We have Neale's "Guide to The Upper Chesapeake" and have read Mary Lou's chapter in Sailing Small with much enthusiasm. If anyone is interested in getting together, please contact me. We would love to visit with another R22. Fair winds, PT Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.............Mark Twain From sanderico at earthlink.net Wed Jun 22 16:29:12 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Wed Jun 22 15:29:18 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] In search of " Lands End" Message-ID: <3118205.1119468552578.JavaMail.root@wamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Lou, Look at it this way. When you are done rebuilding, you will have a highend yacht too, even though it's just a small highend yacht. :-) Rik -----Original Message----- From: Lou Rosenberg Sent: Jun 22, 2005 2:30 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] In search of " Lands End" I was working at the Huntington Harbor Club in Long Island and pulled my van into the lot which looked out upon so many distractions to my work as a videographer. My epoxy weary eyes immediately found a Rhodes 22 bobbing around, almost right in front of me. " Lands End " is on her transom and I would like to just like to say that seeing a R22 amongst all those high end yachts really made my day!! So thanks to you sir or lady, for keeping your boat visible to this landlubbering project ( Rhodes22) boat rebuilder. peace Lou __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From wewickman at duke-energy.com Wed Jun 22 16:45:54 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Wed Jun 22 15:46:32 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors Message-ID: Thanks Bill. I hadn't heard of the milk jug idea. That's a great idea for holding a good anchoring spot. Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | Bill Effros | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/22/2005 02:00 PM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Forgot to mention. I have folding grapnels of different sizes. Trying to figure out how little I can get away with. Will let you know. Bill Effros William E. Wickman wrote: >Bill E., >Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've got >two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on my >last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its >performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so >please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever >used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they don't >have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a lunch >hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you recommend? > >Bill W. > > > > >|---------+----------------------------------> >| | Bill Effros | >| | | >| | Sent by: | >| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >| | hodes22.org | >| | | >| | | >| | 06/22/2005 07:47 AM | >| | Please respond to The | >| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >| | | >|---------+----------------------------------> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list | > | cc: | > | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors | > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > >Slim, > >Rummy doesn't know me. > >Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in >the Laz.) > >I can get to the ones under the seat fastest. > >I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port >seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on >this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts, >inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of >different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm >experimenting this summer. > >I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute. >The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew >to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot. > >The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot >escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never >escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the >Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no >exposed anchor tines. > >I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor >from the stern most of the time because I am lazy. > >Bill Effros > > >R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: > > > >>Slimmy, >>I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that sucker >> >> > > > >>ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat. I >> >> >keep > > >>a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few other >> >> > > > >>miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette. >>I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes >> >> >out > > >>by accident. >>I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the knots >> >> >in > > >>the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise. >>You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the >> >> >heat > > >>pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two >> >> >days > > >>before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's >>repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to >> >> >tough it out > > >>and drink more cooling liquids. >> >>Rummy >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mkaynor at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 17:25:56 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Wed Jun 22 16:26:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Upper Chesapeake Rhodies In-Reply-To: <001f01c57760$8e956b90$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <42b9c963.7c87a455.0cbc.ffff97e1@mx.gmail.com> Peter, Once you have your itinerary firmed up, let us know - Julie and I may want to head up the bay in the next couple weeks once we get our refrigeration installed and working and we'd love to see Raven again (and you and Tana, of course ). Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Thorn Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:28 PM To: Rhodes 22 List Members Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Upper Chesapeake Rhodies Todd, Lloyd, Mary Lou, Fred and other Chesapeake Rhodies, Three boats plan to meet up in your area at Casa Rio Marina, Mayo, MD (about 10 miles south of Annapolis on the West River) on Wednesday June 29th for a 10 day trip. Along with Tana and me on R22 Raven, friends George and Betsy of Asheboro, NC in a renovated Paceship 23 and Cousin Tom and his friend Katherine in a Mac26x from Babylon, NY are all signed up for this adventure.. Any boat wishing to join our fleet is more than welcome. We are considering visiting Annapolis on July 4th for the fireworks http://www.annapolis.gov/headlines.asp?ID=4285. Can anyone offer any information about this? It looks like this might be a good spot to be in a boat that night. We don't have a float plan yet, so if you can suggest good anchorages, restaurants, marinas (we like value) or, on the other hand, pitfalls to avoid - we would be much obliged. We have Neale's "Guide to The Upper Chesapeake" and have read Mary Lou's chapter in Sailing Small with much enthusiasm. If anyone is interested in getting together, please contact me. We would love to visit with another R22. Fair winds, PT Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.............Mark Twain __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From re.miller at att.net Wed Jun 22 18:01:57 2005 From: re.miller at att.net (Russell Miller) Date: Wed Jun 22 17:01:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints References: <20050610164111.32973.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42B8CE0D.60105@effros.com> Message-ID: <002201c5776d$a0b6c3c0$2f01a8c0@rmiller> What about "sticky Fingers" & hymies in Charleston? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints > Thanks to all for the BBQ joints. I will follow up all suggestions in > my travels. > > For the record, my favorite BBQ style is Eastern NC. My favorite place > is Clarks in Tioga, Texas (which serves Texas style). The strangest I > have ever had is Western Ky BBQ lamb. Peking Duck is my favorite BBQ fowl. > > Bill Effros > > brad haslett wrote: > > >Bill, > > > >Corky's here in the BBQ capital of the world is > >considered among the best. They FedEx nationwide. > >Let me know what address you want it sent to and I'll > >ship some. Come down here for Memphis in May, a month > >long music and BBQ festival. There are a lot of things > >I don't like about Memphis but two things we've got > >plenty of are BBQ joints and churches. > > > >Brad > > > >--- Bill Effros wrote: > > > > > > > >>I've traveled far and wide in this country in > >>pursuit of BBQ joints (One > >>of the few foods not readily available in > >>outstanding quality around > >>NYC). I'd love to know people's favorites, the type > >>of BBQ considered > >>their specialty, and driving instructions. > >> > >>Bill Effros > >> > >>brad haslett wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Wally, > >>> > >>>Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, > >>>you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on > >>>Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If > >>> > >>> > >>my > >> > >> > >>>schedule works out this September I'm going to take > >>>the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I > >>> > >>> > >>haven't > >> > >> > >>>actually done the math but I think I can do it in > >>>about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days > >>> > >>> > >>just > >> > >> > >>>to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I > >>> > >>> > >>hook-up > >> > >> > >>>with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes > >>>some time to recover. > >>> > >>>Brad > >>> > >>>--- Wally Buck wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to > >>>> > >>>> > >>your > >> > >> > >>>>end of the river. I > >>>>have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I > >>>> > >>>> > >>need > >> > >> > >>>>to get off my a** and > >>>>get it done. > >>>> > >>>>Wally > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>From: "anima13" > >>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>areas > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 > >>>>> > >>>>>Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>here > >> > >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>and say the sailing is > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>better > >>>>>here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. > >>>>>Anne > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Behalf Of J Cook > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM > >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>areas > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>our > >> > >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>boat out from the St > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>John's River, which is nice during the winter but > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>I > >> > >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>don't like it as much > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>during the summer. She (our boat) spent last > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>hurricane season moored out > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>in > >>>>>the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>make a run for it this > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>year. > >>>>> > >>>>>We've trailered her to the Keys from here a > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>couple > >> > >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>of times. That's a full > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>of boating, but even if I > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>hull > >> > >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>speed. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I've just been having fantasies about some cooler > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>weather of late. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Joseph > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: Robert > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>Quinn > >> > >> > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>list > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>areas > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>think you are just running > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> from the storm brewing to the south of us. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Kathy and I were supposed to > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> head down to Marathon today for a week but we > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>cancelled out. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. > >>>>> > >>>>> Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "J Cook" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >=== message truncated === > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From stan at rhodes22.com Wed Jun 22 19:05:33 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Wed Jun 22 18:05:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey References: <001d01c5775c$6fd2cdf0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <00ab01c57776$87d42240$d21f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> > >>> > Joshua Colvin >>> Managing Editor >>> Small Craft Advisor >>> 907 Anchor >>> Morro Bay CA 93442 >>> >>> 805-771-9393 >>> www.smallcraftadvisor.com >>> email: smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net One of the owners asked me to answer for him, so - for comic relief:: >>> >>> ABOUT YOU AND YOUR BOAT: >>> Your name: Rhodes 22 >>> Your boat's name: The Placebo Effect >>> Boat make and length: General Boats Rhodes 22 >>> Year of manufacture: I am a lady and don't give out that information >>> Please tell us a little about the extent of your sailing experience. >>> Small boat sailing since 1938 Learned on a homemade 11' something or >>> other - then a wood Lightning until the wood mast broke then moved on to >>> a wooden abondoned Snipe which I took on a two week cruise up the Hudson >>> to see if my significant future other really liked sailing or was just >>> faking the screaming. Never took any lessons and it shows but did win >>> my first race and immediately retired from racing to keep my perfect >>> record in tackt. Hung up the pants used since learned by that seat. . >>> Imported Corsairs and Ponants and other French plywod boats to test the >>> US Sailboat market. Finally came out with the Picnic 17 which was a >>> combination sailboat and a skiing boat that didn't do too well so gave >>> the idea to Roger. Although I currently build Rhodes 22s I don't own >>> one because I charge too much. >>> >>> PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS: >>> Please give us your general impressions on the following subjects: >>> Ease of trailering: No problem. Except when I looked out the widow and >>> saw the boat passing me. Have towed the equialent of a dozen or so >>> times around the world without much excietment. After awile you don't >>> know you are towing it until you notice in the mirror that you are being >>> followed by a boat. Ease of launching and retrieving: So easy that if >>> you get challanged to race, make sure the race starts and ends with all >>> entries on their trailers. The boat self launches by applying the car >>> brakes - be prepared to swim. For show offs like me sailing oto the >>> trailer gets lots of applause but the lowered centerboard deserves the >>> credit. Ease of rigging: The instructions say that one man can raise >>> the mast - we just have not found him yet. But at 79 I can do it >>> single handed - if I use the crosss oer mast hoist system. Lowering is >>> no problem - I just pull all the pins and run like hell. . >> How the boat performs in light airs: Light airs are its big number. I >> am accused of having an inboard. >>> How fast the boat is: Can manage 65 on the trailer. 8 surfing and 5 to >>> 6 when the weather and I are at our best. Have passed all sorts of >>> racing craft going the other way. How well it points: not as good as >>> my dog - but it is not a dog when considering it is a combination keel >>> centerboarder. Initial stability: Wonderful for a lightweight like me standing out on the hiking seat gunnels. But then very tender and then suddenly very stiff. Trully tried but never een able to turn one over under sail. Something about the flared hull.. >>> SEAWORTHINESS: >>> How does your boat perform in heavy weather? Heavy airs are its big >>> number. How can you say that about light and heavey airs? Easy: lower >>> the pop top, lower the boom (wich lowers the center of sail >>> efort),shorten the IMF and fly a hankerchief that can be made out of the >>> reefed 175 genoa, put the cockpit cushions away to expose the seats heel >>> grooves nd get the crew up on the flared gunnels and ou have a different >>> animal that is good for up to 29 knot winds.. Is the boat forgiving? >>> More so than my wife (but not as tender) Does it inspire confidence? >>> TheRhodes uncovered four niches: The 45 foot ownr wo wants to get back >>> to the fun of small boat hndling but does ot want to give up the >>> amenities they have grown accustomed to on the big guy. The beginner >>> who likes the foam floataiton and hard to turn over and throtability of >>> the sail to match their learning curve. The realistic sailer who does >>> not want to go bigger than 22 but wants the most 22 out there. And the >>> the sailor who wants a boat so easy to sail he or she can stay home. >>> This group will really love next seasnon's model becuse it tells you if >>> you had a good time or not when it gets back. >>> Is it dry-riding? With the flared hull there is no contest. Not a fair >>> question. Does it exhibit a weather helm? You left no box for >>> neutral. Tweaking can get you wither side of neutral. Is cockpit drainage adequate in your opinion? Yes. We never had a problem in ten >>> years of sailing. Attention is needed to keep the drains cleared if you >>> reside in an area where trees drop leaves. Other than that, we never >>> had a problem despite Florida's heavy rains. >>> ACCOMMODATIONS: >>> How many can comfortably daysail, overnight , or cruise for extended >>> periods on your boat? A day sailor's dream, a weekender's delight, an >>> extended cruiser's challenge. The people who had the boat before we >>> acquired her routinely spent two weeks a year (and one year three weeks) >>> on the boat. They would spend two to three nights out and one night at >>> a marina to take on supplies and water. Are sleeping accommodations >>> comfortable? Yes, high calss camping. >> For how many? Two comfortable, four a squeeze, and with the cockpit >> filler cushions, six at a streatch. >> Is the head practical and convenient to use: We had the porta potty with >> a privacy curtain. Again for two, it was great. Not bad with two >> grandchildren. Beyond that, you have to be very friendly! >> Cooking facilities? Light meals, some prepared before hand, no problem. >>> Storage? For this size boat, can't be beat. The under counter space is >>> great and the rear lazarrette will hold two people. >>> >>> QUALITY: >>> What do you think of the boats construction? Best in class. We looked >>> for three years and stumbled on to the Rhodes 22 at the Miami Boat Show >>> in 1991 after looking at dozens of boats. After 45 minutes on the boat, >>> I was convinced it was the best we had seen and ten years of ownership >>> proved it. >> How about the stock rigging? Ours came with the in the mast furling >> (IMF) and the General Boats Genoa furler. It performed flawlessly. >> Does the boat seem durable? Yes, we did replace the outboard motor >> tracks once to accomodate a 9.9 Yamaha, and the Goose Neck bearings twice >> as we wore them out. We sailed our boat at least once a week and more >> often two to three times a week while we owned her. Average time out was >> in excess of four hours and our record day was over 14 hours. >> Any noticeable oil-canning, flexing, peeling or delamination? None at >> all. >> Any obvious shortcomings or corner-cutting in the design? Our only >> complaint was that the material used for the floor of the galley storage >> area was not marine grade plywood but some synthic material. But even >> this piece held up well for 15 years before we replaced it. Replacement >> was a snap and I am not mechanically or carpenter smart. >>> >>> COMPROMISES: >>> What stands out in your mind as a compromise an owner of this boat is >>> likely to have to make? Size. But having said that, the R22 is the >>> "biggest" 22 footer out there. >>> MODIFICATIONS: >>> List any significant modifications you've made to your boat, how >>> difficult they were to execute, and how successful you consider them, >>> particularly in light of time and money spent. Our model did not have >>> the option of the motor mount coming up above the stern so with a heavy >>> long shaft 9.9 >> Yamaha engine, I was having difficulty reaching over the stern to tip the >> engine out of the water. I therefore rigged a pulley system off of the >> rear of the engine and the stern rail to enable me to tip the engine up >> without having to reach over the stern rail. Fairly easy to do and cost >> was less than $75.00. Next to purchasing the General Boat's mast raising >> and lowering system, the best, and only needed improvement. To me, >> sailing has to be "fun and easy." The R22 fills that bill with no voids. >> When we can no longer handle our Tartan we will be back in a Rhodes 22. >>> >>> VALUE: >>> Compared with other small sailboats (25' or less), how do you rate this >>> boat's value? We sailed our boat for 10 years and when we sold we >>> received close to what we paid for the boat. Yes, we did replace sails, >>> motor, and a few other items but the value in this boat is with out >>> question. >> A bargain? Yes, a bargin for what you get. >> Average? Anthing but! >> Pricey? Some would call it so, but when you compare the boats out there, >> it is worth every penney. The R22 was the best recreation investment we >> ever made! >>> >>> OTHER: >>> Please feel free to share any other general or specific comments about >>> this boat. She is indeed a dream. At every port we were complemented >>> for the way she looked at the dock and under sail. Our boat was over >>> sixteen years mature when we sold her and her decks still gleamed. We >>> kept her in a marina as we found that we used her more that way. We >>> were know as the "most used" boat people and the people with the best >>> kept boat in the marina. >> >> Stan, Rose and Elton Spitzer and their organization bend over backwards >> to assist their owners with any problems encountered (few). Most of what >> I have seen in the way of problems, are those created by new owners who >> did not have much experience, or just flat made a mistake. In any event, >> the Spitzer's go way beyond what could be normally expected to satisfy >> the most "picky" owner. >> >> My hat is off to them. >> >> > > > From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 22 19:35:29 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 22 18:35:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Is Rummy in Edenton? In-Reply-To: <00ab01c57776$87d42240$d21f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <000001c5777a$b4f619f0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> >From that report from Stan, the question has to be asked, is Rummy in Edenton sharing his straws? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: see attachment -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:06 PM To: stan Cc: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Review Survey > >>> > Joshua Colvin >>> Managing Editor >>> Small Craft Advisor >>> 907 Anchor >>> Morro Bay CA 93442 >>> >>> 805-771-9393 >>> www.smallcraftadvisor.com >>> email: smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net One of the owners asked me to answer for him, so - for comic relief:: >>> >>> ABOUT YOU AND YOUR BOAT: >>> Your name: Rhodes 22 >>> Your boat's name: The Placebo Effect >>> Boat make and length: General Boats Rhodes 22 >>> Year of manufacture: I am a lady and don't give out that information >>> Please tell us a little about the extent of your sailing experience. >>> Small boat sailing since 1938 Learned on a homemade 11' something or >>> other - then a wood Lightning until the wood mast broke then moved on to >>> a wooden abondoned Snipe which I took on a two week cruise up the Hudson >>> to see if my significant future other really liked sailing or was just >>> faking the screaming. Never took any lessons and it shows but did win >>> my first race and immediately retired from racing to keep my perfect >>> record in tackt. Hung up the pants used since learned by that seat. . >>> Imported Corsairs and Ponants and other French plywod boats to test the >>> US Sailboat market. Finally came out with the Picnic 17 which was a >>> combination sailboat and a skiing boat that didn't do too well so gave >>> the idea to Roger. Although I currently build Rhodes 22s I don't own >>> one because I charge too much. >>> >>> PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS: >>> Please give us your general impressions on the following subjects: >>> Ease of trailering: No problem. Except when I looked out the widow and >>> saw the boat passing me. Have towed the equialent of a dozen or so >>> times around the world without much excietment. After awile you don't >>> know you are towing it until you notice in the mirror that you are being >>> followed by a boat. Ease of launching and retrieving: So easy that if >>> you get challanged to race, make sure the race starts and ends with all >>> entries on their trailers. The boat self launches by applying the car >>> brakes - be prepared to swim. For show offs like me sailing oto the >>> trailer gets lots of applause but the lowered centerboard deserves the >>> credit. Ease of rigging: The instructions say that one man can raise >>> the mast - we just have not found him yet. But at 79 I can do it >>> single handed - if I use the crosss oer mast hoist system. Lowering is >>> no problem - I just pull all the pins and run like hell. . >> How the boat performs in light airs: Light airs are its big number. I >> am accused of having an inboard. >>> How fast the boat is: Can manage 65 on the trailer. 8 surfing and 5 to >>> 6 when the weather and I are at our best. Have passed all sorts of >>> racing craft going the other way. How well it points: not as good as >>> my dog - but it is not a dog when considering it is a combination keel >>> centerboarder. Initial stability: Wonderful for a lightweight like me standing out on the hiking seat gunnels. But then very tender and then suddenly very stiff. Trully tried but never een able to turn one over under sail. Something about the flared hull.. >>> SEAWORTHINESS: >>> How does your boat perform in heavy weather? Heavy airs are its big >>> number. How can you say that about light and heavey airs? Easy: lower >>> the pop top, lower the boom (wich lowers the center of sail >>> efort),shorten the IMF and fly a hankerchief that can be made out of the >>> reefed 175 genoa, put the cockpit cushions away to expose the seats heel >>> grooves nd get the crew up on the flared gunnels and ou have a different >>> animal that is good for up to 29 knot winds.. Is the boat forgiving? >>> More so than my wife (but not as tender) Does it inspire confidence? >>> TheRhodes uncovered four niches: The 45 foot ownr wo wants to get back >>> to the fun of small boat hndling but does ot want to give up the >>> amenities they have grown accustomed to on the big guy. The beginner >>> who likes the foam floataiton and hard to turn over and throtability of >>> the sail to match their learning curve. The realistic sailer who does >>> not want to go bigger than 22 but wants the most 22 out there. And the >>> the sailor who wants a boat so easy to sail he or she can stay home. >>> This group will really love next seasnon's model becuse it tells you if >>> you had a good time or not when it gets back. >>> Is it dry-riding? With the flared hull there is no contest. Not a fair >>> question. Does it exhibit a weather helm? You left no box for >>> neutral. Tweaking can get you wither side of neutral. Is cockpit drainage adequate in your opinion? Yes. We never had a problem in ten >>> years of sailing. Attention is needed to keep the drains cleared if you >>> reside in an area where trees drop leaves. Other than that, we never >>> had a problem despite Florida's heavy rains. >>> ACCOMMODATIONS: >>> How many can comfortably daysail, overnight , or cruise for extended >>> periods on your boat? A day sailor's dream, a weekender's delight, an >>> extended cruiser's challenge. The people who had the boat before we >>> acquired her routinely spent two weeks a year (and one year three weeks) >>> on the boat. They would spend two to three nights out and one night at >>> a marina to take on supplies and water. Are sleeping accommodations >>> comfortable? Yes, high calss camping. >> For how many? Two comfortable, four a squeeze, and with the cockpit >> filler cushions, six at a streatch. >> Is the head practical and convenient to use: We had the porta potty with >> a privacy curtain. Again for two, it was great. Not bad with two >> grandchildren. Beyond that, you have to be very friendly! >> Cooking facilities? Light meals, some prepared before hand, no problem. >>> Storage? For this size boat, can't be beat. The under counter space is >>> great and the rear lazarrette will hold two people. >>> >>> QUALITY: >>> What do you think of the boats construction? Best in class. We looked >>> for three years and stumbled on to the Rhodes 22 at the Miami Boat Show >>> in 1991 after looking at dozens of boats. After 45 minutes on the boat, >>> I was convinced it was the best we had seen and ten years of ownership >>> proved it. >> How about the stock rigging? Ours came with the in the mast furling >> (IMF) and the General Boats Genoa furler. It performed flawlessly. >> Does the boat seem durable? Yes, we did replace the outboard motor >> tracks once to accomodate a 9.9 Yamaha, and the Goose Neck bearings twice >> as we wore them out. We sailed our boat at least once a week and more >> often two to three times a week while we owned her. Average time out was >> in excess of four hours and our record day was over 14 hours. >> Any noticeable oil-canning, flexing, peeling or delamination? None at >> all. >> Any obvious shortcomings or corner-cutting in the design? Our only >> complaint was that the material used for the floor of the galley storage >> area was not marine grade plywood but some synthic material. But even >> this piece held up well for 15 years before we replaced it. Replacement >> was a snap and I am not mechanically or carpenter smart. >>> >>> COMPROMISES: >>> What stands out in your mind as a compromise an owner of this boat is >>> likely to have to make? Size. But having said that, the R22 is the >>> "biggest" 22 footer out there. >>> MODIFICATIONS: >>> List any significant modifications you've made to your boat, how >>> difficult they were to execute, and how successful you consider them, >>> particularly in light of time and money spent. Our model did not have >>> the option of the motor mount coming up above the stern so with a heavy >>> long shaft 9.9 >> Yamaha engine, I was having difficulty reaching over the stern to tip the >> engine out of the water. I therefore rigged a pulley system off of the >> rear of the engine and the stern rail to enable me to tip the engine up >> without having to reach over the stern rail. Fairly easy to do and cost >> was less than $75.00. Next to purchasing the General Boat's mast raising >> and lowering system, the best, and only needed improvement. To me, >> sailing has to be "fun and easy." The R22 fills that bill with no voids. >> When we can no longer handle our Tartan we will be back in a Rhodes 22. >>> >>> VALUE: >>> Compared with other small sailboats (25' or less), how do you rate this >>> boat's value? We sailed our boat for 10 years and when we sold we >>> received close to what we paid for the boat. Yes, we did replace sails, >>> motor, and a few other items but the value in this boat is with out >>> question. >> A bargain? Yes, a bargin for what you get. >> Average? Anthing but! >> Pricey? Some would call it so, but when you compare the boats out there, >> it is worth every penney. The R22 was the best recreation investment we >> ever made! >>> >>> OTHER: >>> Please feel free to share any other general or specific comments about >>> this boat. She is indeed a dream. At every port we were complemented >>> for the way she looked at the dock and under sail. Our boat was over >>> sixteen years mature when we sold her and her decks still gleamed. We >>> kept her in a marina as we found that we used her more that way. We >>> were know as the "most used" boat people and the people with the best >>> kept boat in the marina. >> >> Stan, Rose and Elton Spitzer and their organization bend over backwards >> to assist their owners with any problems encountered (few). Most of what >> I have seen in the way of problems, are those created by new owners who >> did not have much experience, or just flat made a mistake. In any event, >> the Spitzer's go way beyond what could be normally expected to satisfy >> the most "picky" owner. >> >> My hat is off to them. >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -------------- next part -------------- Name: snoopy.gif Type: image/gif Size: 13759 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/22/snoopy.gif From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 22 20:06:54 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 22 19:07:22 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Lou's " Lands End" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c5777f$1a1f0680$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Lou, Have you considered that with what Stan has to charge for a new Rhodes 22 that it is a high-end yacht? Did you ask the harbormaster who owns that high-end yacht? If not you have work to do. Just happy that you have not epoxied your eyes shut. Keep looking you may see a mermaid. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: See attachment -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lou Rosenberg Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:30 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] In search of " Lands End" I was working at the Huntington Harbor Club in Long Island and pulled my van into the lot which looked out upon so many distractions to my work as a videographer. My epoxy weary eyes immediately found a Rhodes 22 bobbing around, almost right in front of me. " Lands End " is on her transom and I would like to just like to say that seeing a R22 amongst all those high end yachts really made my day!! So thanks to you sir or lady, for keeping your boat visible to this landlubbering project ( Rhodes22) boat rebuilder. peace Lou __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -------------- next part -------------- Name: tn_miss52.gif Type: image/gif Size: 10270 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/22/tn_miss52.gif From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 22 21:51:59 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 22 20:52:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints In-Reply-To: <002201c5776d$a0b6c3c0$2f01a8c0@rmiller> References: <20050610164111.32973.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42B8CE0D.60105@effros.com> <002201c5776d$a0b6c3c0$2f01a8c0@rmiller> Message-ID: <42BA07AF.9080703@effros.com> Thanks, Russell, I'll keep tracking them down. Bill Effros Russell Miller wrote: > What about "sticky Fingers" & hymies in Charleston? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Effros" >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:33 PM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Joints > > > > >>Thanks to all for the BBQ joints. I will follow up all suggestions in >>my travels. >> >>For the record, my favorite BBQ style is Eastern NC. My favorite place >>is Clarks in Tioga, Texas (which serves Texas style). The strangest I >>have ever had is Western Ky BBQ lamb. Peking Duck is my favorite BBQ >> >> >fowl. > > >>Bill Effros >> >>brad haslett wrote: >> >> >> >>>Bill, >>> >>>Corky's here in the BBQ capital of the world is >>>considered among the best. They FedEx nationwide. >>>Let me know what address you want it sent to and I'll >>>ship some. Come down here for Memphis in May, a month >>>long music and BBQ festival. There are a lot of things >>>I don't like about Memphis but two things we've got >>>plenty of are BBQ joints and churches. >>> >>>Brad >>> >>>--- Bill Effros wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I've traveled far and wide in this country in >>>>pursuit of BBQ joints (One >>>>of the few foods not readily available in >>>>outstanding quality around >>>>NYC). I'd love to know people's favorites, the type >>>>of BBQ considered >>>>their specialty, and driving instructions. >>>> >>>>Bill Effros >>>> >>>>brad haslett wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Wally, >>>>> >>>>>Why do you need the trailer? Just head downriver, >>>>>you'll be there soon enough. Stop by my marina on >>>>>Pickwick and I'll take you to a good BBQ joint. If >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>my >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>schedule works out this September I'm going to take >>>>>the "CoraShen" to the KY Lake R-22 reunion. I >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>haven't >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>actually done the math but I think I can do it in >>>>>about 2 days sailing. I'll need another 2 days >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>just >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>to prepare for the return trip. Everytime I >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>hook-up >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>with Anne she force-feeds beer down me and it takes >>>>>some time to recover. >>>>> >>>>>Brad >>>>> >>>>>--- Wally Buck wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Anne, One fof these days I need to head down to >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>your >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>end of the river. I >>>>>>have put off trailer rebuild for three years. I >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>need >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>to get off my a** and >>>>>>get it done. >>>>>> >>>>>>Wally >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>From: "anima13" >>>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>areas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:35:16 -0500 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Many cruisers from the north and Florida stop >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>here >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>and say the sailing is >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>better >>>>>>>here. they do not leave Kentucky Lake. >>>>>>>Anne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>>>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Behalf Of J Cook >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:32 PM >>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>areas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>We're from the Gainesville area. We just pulled >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>our >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>boat out from the St >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>John's River, which is nice during the winter but >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>don't like it as much >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>during the summer. She (our boat) spent last >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>hurricane season moored out >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>in >>>>>>>the middle of our pasture. But we may be able to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>make a run for it this >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>We've trailered her to the Keys from here a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>couple >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>of times. That's a full >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>day's drive for us. Towing isn't my favorite part >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>of boating, but even if I >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>take it slow and easy, is sure does boost the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>hull >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>speed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I've just been having fantasies about some cooler >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>weather of late. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Joseph >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: Robert >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>Quinn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:57 PM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>areas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>J: Is this the J from the Pensacola area? I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>think you are just running >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>from the storm brewing to the south of us. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Kathy and I were supposed to >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>head down to Marathon today for a week but we >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>cancelled out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Ten Mile, TN looks real nice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "J Cook" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>=== message truncated === >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. >>>http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 22 21:54:51 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 22 20:55:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors In-Reply-To: <006601c57756$d9787490$660fa8c0@dell330> References: <42B9A6BD.90707@effros.com> <006601c57756$d9787490$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <42BA085B.1020708@effros.com> Peter, I've been disappointed at Wilbers the last 2 times I've been there. They had a flood or something, and their kitchen fell apart. Is it better again? Bill Effros Peter Thorn wrote: >Bill, > >I agree a 10# mushroom makes a great lunch hook. After reading your posts, >we used one with just a 3/8" line and a 5/16 quick link shackle on our long >Memorial Day weekend trip to Kerr Lake. Quick, easy, and it holds the same >in any direction (no resets for windshifts). In ten knots of breeze with a >Carolina red clay bottom it held just fine. Not sure I could trust it >overnight a breeze though. > >I like you minimalist thinking. Use the right anchor for the job -- very >elegant. > >PT > >PS - What's happened to Wilbers? I'll grant you the decor is as bad as the >pit cooked barbeque is delicious. We usually stop there every trip to >Oriental, maybe once or twice a year. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Effros" >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:58 PM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors > > > > >>Bill, >> >>Nobody is the expert. These are things we each try, and report back to >>each other what works. Your experience with the Fortress validates my >>experiences in less extreme situations, and I am grateful for your input. >> >>This list went through a period of recommending bigger and bigger >>multi-hundred dollar anchors that nobody ever used because they would >>not fit on the boat and could not be disassembled. >> >>Wally (I think it was) almost got hooted off the list when he said he >>used a milk jug full of sand (or something like that) with an empty milk >>jug as a buoy on the other end to mark his place and staked out good >>moorings early in the day, sailed all day, then returned to his spot and >>picked up his line. What did he have to lose? 2 empty milk jugs? >> >>That seemed a much better solution to me! It worked. People don't >>steal milk jugs full of sand. If you use this idea only to reserve a >>good anchoring spot early in the day it's a good idea. >> >>And so it goes. >> >>People who say mushroom anchors don't have holding power don't know what >>they are talking about. My boat is permanently anchored on a 300 lb. >>mushroom anchor, as are all the other boats in the harbor. 2:1 scope at >>a maximum. 32 foot maximum length. As noted in the hurricane >>discussion, there are hundreds of boats and they never drag into each >>other, even during hurricanes. >> >>Last weekend I saw a big power boat grab my neighbor's mooring when the >>tide was roughly 4 feet above low tide. He could barely get the eye of >>the mooring line around his cleat. His scope was 1:1. After lunch he >>couldn't remove the line from his cleat. It was pulling his bow into >>the water with a force in excess of 300 pounds. He could have cut it, >>but he wasn't likely to do so with me watching. He waited for low tide, >>and maybe he learned something. (Probably not.) >> >>A jug of sand is all you need for a lunch hook most of the time. A >>vinyl covered mushroom anchor will do just fine if you want to get >>fancy. A shaped anchor with hooks or plows can be lighter than a jug of >>sand, provided you know how to set it properly. The same is true of >>shaped mushroom anchors. >> >>Multiple anchors are better than counting on a single anchor resetting. >> >>Where I live you will always get a 180 degree current shift while you >>are asleep. >> >>This summer's project is devoted to finding out how little anchor you >>really need. I already know you don't need chain--again, I think it was >>Wally who first made this observation, and again to much derision. He >>was the guy who actually anchored all the time. Everyone else was >>reading magazines all winter. It should come as no surprise that he was >>right. Try it. >> >>When you are just playing, as I will be this summer, you can throw >>anything into the water and see what works. If you drift, there is no >>harm done, and you take care of it. But if you don't drift, and you >>greatly simplify every aspect of anchoring, you will be much more likely >>to anchor more often, and to know you are safely anchoring every time. >> >>Bill Effros >> >> >> >> >> >> >>William E. Wickman wrote: >> >> >> >>>Bill E., >>>Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've >>> >>> >got > > >>>two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on >>> >>> >my > > >>>last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its >>>performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so >>>please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever >>>used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they >>> >>> >don't > > >>>have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a >>> >>> >lunch > > >>>hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you >>> >>> >recommend? > > >>>Bill W. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>|---------+----------------------------------> >>>| | Bill Effros | >>>| | | >>>| | Sent by: | >>>| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >>>| | hodes22.org | >>>| | | >>>| | | >>>| | 06/22/2005 07:47 AM | >>>| | Please respond to The | >>>| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >>>| | | >>>|---------+----------------------------------> >>> >>> >>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >---------------------------------------------------| > > >>> | >>> >>> >| > > >>> | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> >>> >| > > >>> | cc: >>> >>> >| > > >>> | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors >>> >>> >| > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >---------------------------------------------------| > > >>> >>> >>>Slim, >>> >>>Rummy doesn't know me. >>> >>>Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in >>>the Laz.) >>> >>>I can get to the ones under the seat fastest. >>> >>>I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port >>>seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on >>>this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts, >>>inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of >>>different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm >>>experimenting this summer. >>> >>>I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute. >>>The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew >>>to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot. >>> >>>The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot >>>escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never >>>escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the >>>Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no >>>exposed anchor tines. >>> >>>I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor >>> >>> >>>from the stern most of the time because I am lazy. >> >> >>>Bill Effros >>> >>> >>>R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Slimmy, >>>>I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that >>>> >>>> >sucker > > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat. >>>> >>>> >I > > >>>> >>>> >>>keep >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few >>>> >>>> >other > > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette. >>>>I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>out >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>by accident. >>>>I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the >>>> >>>> >knots > > >>>> >>>> >>>in >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise. >>>>You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>heat >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>days >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's >>>>repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>tough it out >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>and drink more cooling liquids. >>>> >>>>Rummy >>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 22 22:31:42 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 22 21:31:52 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42BA10FE.8070602@effros.com> Right! P&M Beals wrote: >Hey Jay, thanks for the offer. >Mike and I are hoping for Sunday to go out from Keyport but it wouldn't be >til 2 likely. The forecast is for 85 and humid...now that sounds like >pretty tame sailing weather. > >We went and sat on her on Memorial Day after my daughter finished her >parade route. Beautiful breezes from 5-15 I would say, but there was a >threat of that thunderstorm, well, so we sat and did some cleaning. >We did very much enjoy the drink at the club afterwards. > >So, let's stay in touch and see. Is your boat in at LBI now? Are weekdays >ever a possibility for you? > >Also, funny thing is that I haven't met the owner but there is another >Rhodes 22 moored right beside ours. The guy sails, I hear, about 122 days a >year which isn't too shabby for NJ ( OK some exaggeration possibly)...the >boat yard owner who is renting us our mooring, told me the other Rhodie >headed out to the Rhodes 22, and almost boarded our boat-he was so surprised >to see another Rhodes 22 moored there. He has a traditional mainsail with a >furling genoa jib. Eventually it should be interesting to see how our IMF >sails along side of his traditional mainsail... I am still waiting to see >if I will be satisfied with how close you can point with the IMF main. > >But just sailing the boat will be fine!! >We did it last year dealing with strong currents and a dock...a mooring >should be easier. Right, Bill? > >Phyllis >Whisper >Keyport > > > >>From: Jay Friedland >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:04:03 -0400 >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site >> >>Phyllis- >>Still on call-your place or mine. >>Jay >> >>On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: >> >> >> >>>Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died down... >>> >>>Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have >>>enjoyed >>>enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- >>> >>>and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this site? >>> >>>Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier >>>horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. >>>Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get over >>>the >>>intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without >>>encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. >>> >>>Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and >>>head for >>>open water quite quickly. >>> >>>But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... >>> >>>Thanks. >>>Phyllis >>>Whisper >>>Keyport >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "ed kroposki" >>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >>>>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >>>> >>>>Jay, >>>>We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >>>>identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do for >>>>a >>>>sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >>>>As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in >>>>order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >>>>So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >>>>religious experience or guilt trip? >>>>Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >>>>you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >>>>Have >>>>you explored the archives of this site? >>>> >>>>Ed K >>>>Greenville, SC, USA >>>> >>>> >>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 22 22:55:12 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 22 21:53:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: BBQ was] Anchors Message-ID: <005301c57796$980ee580$660fa8c0@dell330> I don't know why, but my replys to Rhodes 22 list-serve e-mails lately have been going to the sender, not the list. Very strange. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Thorn To: Bill Effros Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: BBQ was] Anchors Bill, If it's been a few years, could that be Hurricane Floyd? As far as I recall, that's been the only inland flooding that could have effected Wilburs on Hwy 70. Last year our small boat Tanzer fleet and the Raleigh/Durham area Carolina Sailing Club attended the last Oriental Sailing Social (around the marks buoy racing). On the way home we ate at Wilburs and it was as good as ever. Behind the restaurant they burn Hickory wood and slow cook the pigs over the coals. Eastern NC is now one of the top pork producing areas, so I guess getting good fresh pigs is no problem. The sauce is vinegar based, spicy and tangy. The hush puppies are always hot and fresh and they make their own cole slaw too. Uhmmm, good! I think it would be worth your while to try them again if you're traveling through on I-95. It's far better than any BBQ restaurant around here. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Effros To: Peter Thorn ; The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors Peter, I've been disappointed at Wilbers the last 2 times I've been there. They had a flood or something, and their kitchen fell apart. Is it better again? Bill Effros Peter Thorn wrote: Bill, I agree a 10# mushroom makes a great lunch hook. After reading your posts, we used one with just a 3/8" line and a 5/16 quick link shackle on our long Memorial Day weekend trip to Kerr Lake. Quick, easy, and it holds the same in any direction (no resets for windshifts). In ten knots of breeze with a Carolina red clay bottom it held just fine. Not sure I could trust it overnight a breeze though. I like you minimalist thinking. Use the right anchor for the job -- very elegant. PT PS - What's happened to Wilbers? I'll grant you the decor is as bad as the pit cooked barbeque is delicious. We usually stop there every trip to Oriental, maybe once or twice a year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors Bill, Nobody is the expert. These are things we each try, and report back to each other what works. Your experience with the Fortress validates my experiences in less extreme situations, and I am grateful for your input. This list went through a period of recommending bigger and bigger multi-hundred dollar anchors that nobody ever used because they would not fit on the boat and could not be disassembled. Wally (I think it was) almost got hooted off the list when he said he used a milk jug full of sand (or something like that) with an empty milk jug as a buoy on the other end to mark his place and staked out good moorings early in the day, sailed all day, then returned to his spot and picked up his line. What did he have to lose? 2 empty milk jugs? That seemed a much better solution to me! It worked. People don't steal milk jugs full of sand. If you use this idea only to reserve a good anchoring spot early in the day it's a good idea. And so it goes. People who say mushroom anchors don't have holding power don't know what they are talking about. My boat is permanently anchored on a 300 lb. mushroom anchor, as are all the other boats in the harbor. 2:1 scope at a maximum. 32 foot maximum length. As noted in the hurricane discussion, there are hundreds of boats and they never drag into each other, even during hurricanes. Last weekend I saw a big power boat grab my neighbor's mooring when the tide was roughly 4 feet above low tide. He could barely get the eye of the mooring line around his cleat. His scope was 1:1. After lunch he couldn't remove the line from his cleat. It was pulling his bow into the water with a force in excess of 300 pounds. He could have cut it, but he wasn't likely to do so with me watching. He waited for low tide, and maybe he learned something. (Probably not.) A jug of sand is all you need for a lunch hook most of the time. A vinyl covered mushroom anchor will do just fine if you want to get fancy. A shaped anchor with hooks or plows can be lighter than a jug of sand, provided you know how to set it properly. The same is true of shaped mushroom anchors. Multiple anchors are better than counting on a single anchor resetting. Where I live you will always get a 180 degree current shift while you are asleep. This summer's project is devoted to finding out how little anchor you really need. I already know you don't need chain--again, I think it was Wally who first made this observation, and again to much derision. He was the guy who actually anchored all the time. Everyone else was reading magazines all winter. It should come as no surprise that he was right. Try it. When you are just playing, as I will be this summer, you can throw anything into the water and see what works. If you drift, there is no harm done, and you take care of it. But if you don't drift, and you greatly simplify every aspect of anchoring, you will be much more likely to anchor more often, and to know you are safely anchoring every time. Bill Effros William E. Wickman wrote: Bill E., Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've got two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on my last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they don't have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a lunch hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you recommend? Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | Bill Effros | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/22/2005 07:47 AM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| | | | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| Slim, Rummy doesn't know me. Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in the Laz.) I can get to the ones under the seat fastest. I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts, inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm experimenting this summer. I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute. The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot. The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no exposed anchor tines. I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor >from the stern most of the time because I am lazy. Bill Effros R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: Slimmy, I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that sucker ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat. I keep a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few other miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette. I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes out by accident. I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the knots in the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise. You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the heat pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two days before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to tough it out and drink more cooling liquids. Rummy __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From anima13 at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 22 23:00:09 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Wed Jun 22 23:00:22 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning In-Reply-To: <1fa.b092197.2feab721@aol.com> Message-ID: Rummy, A red can is called a NUN...no catholic girl can forget that! It is NOT to be referred to as a "can".... Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of R22RumRunner@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:44 AM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning Bill, Funny you should mention red markers. I went out for a sail last night and ran over a red can. I never saw the damn thing. I haven't a clue how it happened. Rummy __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mltroy at verizon.net Thu Jun 23 00:22:56 2005 From: mltroy at verizon.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Wed Jun 22 23:23:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Upper Chesapeake Rhodies In-Reply-To: <001f01c57760$8e956b90$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050622230131.00c4f418@incoming.verizon.net> Peter, Hope we can catch up with you while you're up this way. It would be great to see you again - and see Raven in the water. We'll be in Rock Hall over the weekend of the 4th. We're heading for Swan Creek Marina on Friday afternoon (7/1) and expect to be hanging around town most of the weekend- might even get in some sailing. We have commitments Sat. afternoon into the evening and Sunday evening. The Rock Hall 4th of July parade is Monday morning. Rock Hall takes the 4th pretty seriously (http://www.rockhallmd.com/events/july4/index05.htm) - I expect Annapolis does as well. Both places will be crowded but there's usually room somewhere for shallow draft boats. We'll be heading home on Monday. We'll be back down Thursday evening 7/7 as we plan to sail to Baltimore on Friday. We have tickets to a ball game at Camden Yards (Orioles/Red Sox) on Saturday afternoon. Hope we can squeeze a visit in there somehow. Mary Lou & Fred At 03:28 PM 6/22/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Todd, Lloyd, Mary Lou, Fred and other Chesapeake Rhodies, > >Three boats plan to meet up in your area at Casa Rio Marina, Mayo, MD >(about 10 miles south of Annapolis on the West River) on Wednesday June >29th for a 10 day trip. Along with Tana and me on R22 Raven, friends >George and Betsy of Asheboro, NC in a renovated Paceship 23 and Cousin >Tom and his friend Katherine in a Mac26x from Babylon, NY are all signed >up for this adventure.. Any boat wishing to join our fleet is more than >welcome. > >We are considering visiting Annapolis on July 4th for the >fireworks http://www.annapolis.gov/headlines.asp?ID=4285. Can anyone >offer any information about this? It looks like this might be a good >spot to be in a boat that night. > >We don't have a float plan yet, so if you can suggest good anchorages, >restaurants, marinas (we like value) or, on the other hand, pitfalls to >avoid - we would be much obliged. We have Neale's "Guide to The Upper >Chesapeake" and have read Mary Lou's chapter in Sailing Small with much >enthusiasm. > >If anyone is interested in getting together, please contact me. We would >love to visit with another R22. > >Fair winds, > >PT > >Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you >didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail >away from safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your >sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.............Mark Twain > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 23 01:41:11 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 23 01:41:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: BBQ was] Anchors Message-ID: Peter, Your emails come from two addresses: Peter Thorn and the Rhodes list. I've never been able to reply to your posts. I have to copy the thread and subject to a new post to the Rhodes list and then send. I don't know why either. Slim On 6/22/05 8:55 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: > I don't know why, but my replys to Rhodes 22 list-serve e-mails lately have > been going to the sender, not the list. Very strange. > > PT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Thorn > To: Bill Effros > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:28 PM > Subject: BBQ was] Anchors > > > Bill, > > If it's been a few years, could that be Hurricane Floyd? As far as I recall, > that's been the only inland flooding that could have effected Wilburs on Hwy > 70. Last year our small boat Tanzer fleet and the Raleigh/Durham area > Carolina Sailing Club attended the last Oriental Sailing Social (around the > marks buoy racing). On the way home we ate at Wilburs and it was as good as > ever. Behind the restaurant they burn Hickory wood and slow cook the pigs > over the coals. Eastern NC is now one of the top pork producing areas, so I > guess getting good fresh pigs is no problem. The sauce is vinegar based, > spicy and tangy. The hush puppies are always hot and fresh and they make > their own cole slaw too. Uhmmm, good! I think it would be worth your while > to try them again if you're traveling through on I-95. It's far better than > any BBQ restaurant around here. > > PT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Effros > To: Peter Thorn ; The Rhodes 22 mail list > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors > > > Peter, > > I've been disappointed at Wilbers the last 2 times I've been there. They had > a flood or something, and their kitchen fell apart. Is it better again? > > Bill Effros > > Peter Thorn wrote: > Bill, > > I agree a 10# mushroom makes a great lunch hook. After reading your posts, > we used one with just a 3/8" line and a 5/16 quick link shackle on our long > Memorial Day weekend trip to Kerr Lake. Quick, easy, and it holds the same > in any direction (no resets for windshifts). In ten knots of breeze with a > Carolina red clay bottom it held just fine. Not sure I could trust it > overnight a breeze though. > > I like you minimalist thinking. Use the right anchor for the job -- very > elegant. > > PT > > PS - What's happened to Wilbers? I'll grant you the decor is as bad as the > pit cooked barbeque is delicious. We usually stop there every trip to > Oriental, maybe once or twice a year. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Effros" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors > > > Bill, > > Nobody is the expert. These are things we each try, and report back to > each other what works. Your experience with the Fortress validates my > experiences in less extreme situations, and I am grateful for your input. > > This list went through a period of recommending bigger and bigger > multi-hundred dollar anchors that nobody ever used because they would > not fit on the boat and could not be disassembled. > > Wally (I think it was) almost got hooted off the list when he said he > used a milk jug full of sand (or something like that) with an empty milk > jug as a buoy on the other end to mark his place and staked out good > moorings early in the day, sailed all day, then returned to his spot and > picked up his line. What did he have to lose? 2 empty milk jugs? > > That seemed a much better solution to me! It worked. People don't > steal milk jugs full of sand. If you use this idea only to reserve a > good anchoring spot early in the day it's a good idea. > > And so it goes. > > People who say mushroom anchors don't have holding power don't know what > they are talking about. My boat is permanently anchored on a 300 lb. > mushroom anchor, as are all the other boats in the harbor. 2:1 scope at > a maximum. 32 foot maximum length. As noted in the hurricane > discussion, there are hundreds of boats and they never drag into each > other, even during hurricanes. > > Last weekend I saw a big power boat grab my neighbor's mooring when the > tide was roughly 4 feet above low tide. He could barely get the eye of > the mooring line around his cleat. His scope was 1:1. After lunch he > couldn't remove the line from his cleat. It was pulling his bow into > the water with a force in excess of 300 pounds. He could have cut it, > but he wasn't likely to do so with me watching. He waited for low tide, > and maybe he learned something. (Probably not.) > > A jug of sand is all you need for a lunch hook most of the time. A > vinyl covered mushroom anchor will do just fine if you want to get > fancy. A shaped anchor with hooks or plows can be lighter than a jug of > sand, provided you know how to set it properly. The same is true of > shaped mushroom anchors. > > Multiple anchors are better than counting on a single anchor resetting. > > Where I live you will always get a 180 degree current shift while you > are asleep. > > This summer's project is devoted to finding out how little anchor you > really need. I already know you don't need chain--again, I think it was > Wally who first made this observation, and again to much derision. He > was the guy who actually anchored all the time. Everyone else was > reading magazines all winter. It should come as no surprise that he was > right. Try it. > > When you are just playing, as I will be this summer, you can throw > anything into the water and see what works. If you drift, there is no > harm done, and you take care of it. But if you don't drift, and you > greatly simplify every aspect of anchoring, you will be much more likely > to anchor more often, and to know you are safely anchoring every time. > > Bill Effros > > > > > > > William E. Wickman wrote: > > Bill E., > Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've > got > two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on > my > last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its > performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so > please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever > used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they > don't > have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a > lunch > hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you > recommend? > Bill W. > > > > > |---------+----------------------------------> > | | Bill Effros | > | | | > | | Sent by: | > | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| > | | hodes22.org | > | | | > | | | > | | 06/22/2005 07:47 AM | > | | Please respond to The | > | | Rhodes 22 mail list | > | | | > |---------+----------------------------------> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------| > | > | > | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > | > | cc: > | > | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors > | > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------| > > Slim, > > Rummy doesn't know me. > > Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in > the Laz.) > > I can get to the ones under the seat fastest. > > I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port > seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on > this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts, > inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of > different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm > experimenting this summer. > > I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute. > The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew > to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot. > > The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot > escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never > escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the > Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no > exposed anchor tines. > > I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor >> from the stern most of the time because I am lazy. > Bill Effros > > > R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: > > > > Slimmy, > I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that > sucker > ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the > lee seat. > I > keep > > > a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few > other > miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette. > I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes > > > out > > > by accident. > I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the > knots > in > > > the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise. > You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the > > > heat > > > pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two > > > days > > > before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's > repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to > > > tough it out > > > and drink more cooling liquids. > > Rummy > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 23 03:05:03 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 23 03:05:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler Message-ID: I had a terrific day sailing solo today but I find myself wrestling a lot with the traveler. Has anyone ever changed to a different cleat to make it more ergonomic? If you dump the traveler in a gust, getting it back to windward is difficult if it's really blowing. I'd have much better leverage pulling the line forward rather than laterally to windward. Especially when I'm sitting in the cockpit and not up on the rail. Maybe a swivel cam like WM Cat page 1057, model #3734183. Heavier line? Any thoughts? Slim From R22RumRunner at aol.com Thu Jun 23 06:41:05 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 23 05:41:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler Message-ID: <1a7.39f38ebb.2febddb1@aol.com> Slim, Why are you messing with the traveler in the first place. I normally just leave it to center and don't use it unless I'm racing against someone else on the lake. Rummy From R22RumRunner at aol.com Thu Jun 23 06:43:12 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 23 05:43:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning Message-ID: <1a6.3a1b4832.2febde30@aol.com> Anne, This is SC and we have very few Catholics, mostly Baptists and they call them cans, red and green cans. Rummy From stan at rhodes22.com Thu Jun 23 07:22:18 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Thu Jun 23 06:22:34 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry the first draft went out after I did plus the spellcheck also is out but here is completed survey References: <001d01c5775c$6fd2cdf0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <00ab01c57776$87d42240$d21f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <011201c577dd$73025e60$d21f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> > > >>>> > Joshua Colvin >>>> Managing Editor >>>> Small Craft Advisor >>>> 907 Anchor >>>> Morro Bay CA 93442 >>>> >>>> 805-771-9393 >>>> www.smallcraftadvisor.com >>>> email: smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net > One of the owners asked me to answer for him, so - for comic relief:: ABOUT YOU AND YOUR BOAT: Your name: Rhodes 22 Your boat's name: The Placebo Effect Boat make and length: General Boats Rhodes 22 Year of manufacture: I am a lady and don't give out that information Please tell us a little about the extent of your sailing experience. Small boat sailing since 1938 Learned on a homemade 11' something or other - then a wood Lightning until the wood mast broke then moved on to a wooden abondoned Snipe which I took on a two week cruise up the Hudson to see if my significant future other really liked sailing or was just faking the screaming. Never took any lessons and it shows but did win my first race and immediately retired from racing to keep my perfect record in tact. Hung up the pants used since learned by that seat. . Imported Corsairs and Ponants and other French plywod boats to test the US Sailboat market. Finally came out with the Picnic 17 which was a combination sailboat and a skiing boat that didn't do too well so gave the idea to Roger. Although I currently build Rhodes 22s I don't own one because I charge too much. >>>> PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS: Please give us your general impressions on the following subjects: Ease of trailering: No problems. Except when I looked out the widow and saw the boat passing me. Have towed the equivalent of a dozen or so times around the world without much excitement. After awhile you don't know you are towing it until you notice in the mirror that you are being followed by a boat. Ease of launching and retrieving: So easy that if you get challanged to race, make sure the race starts and ends with all entries on their trailers. The boat self launches by applying the car brakes - be prepared to swim. For show offs like me, sailing onto the trailer gets lots of applause but the lowered centerboard deserves the credit. Ease of rigging: The instructions say that one man can raise the mast - we just have not found him yet. But at 79 I can do it single handed - if I use the cross over mast hoist system. Lowering is no problem - I just pull all the pins and run like hell. . How the boat performs in light airs: Light airs are its big number. I am accused of having an inboard. How fast the boat is: Can manage 65 on the trailer. 8 surfing and 5 to 6 when the weather and I are at our best. Have passed all sorts of racing craft going the other way. How well it points: not as good as my dog - but it is not a dog when considering it is a combination keel centerboarder. Initial stability: Wonderful for a lightweight like me standing out on the hiking seat gunnels. But then very tender and then suddenly very stiff. Trully tried but never been able to turn one over under sail. Something about the flared hull.. SEAWORTHINESS: How does your boat perform in heavy weather? Heavy airs are its big number. How can you say that about light and heavey airs? Easy: Lower the pop top, lower the boom (which lowers the center of sail effort), shorten the IMF and fly a hankerchief that can be made out of the reefed 175 genoa, put the cockpit cushions away to expose the seats' heel grooves and get the crew up on the flared gunnels and you have a different animal that is good for up to 29 knot winds.. Is the boat forgiving? More so than my wife (but not as tender) Does it inspire confidence? The Rhodes uncovered four niches: The 45 foot owner wo wants to get back to the fun of small boat handling but does not want to give up the amenities they have grown accustomed to on the big guy. The beginner who likes the foam floatation and hard to turn over trait and throtability of the sail area to match their learning curve. The realistic sailer who does not want to go bigger than 22 but wants the most 22 out there. And the sailor who wants a boat so easy to sail, he or she can stay home. This latter group will really love next season's model because it tells you if you had a good time or not when it gets back. Is it dry-riding? With the flared hull there is no contest. Not a fair question. Does it exhibit a weather helm? You left no box for neutral. Tweaking can get you either side of neutral. Is cockpit drainage adequate in your opinion? The three self bailing drains work fine except in golf ball size hail storms. ACCOMMODATIONS: How many can comfortably daysail, overnight , or cruise for extended periods on your boat? Would you believe 9? 4 in the cabin three in the cockpit and two in the lazaret. OK, would you believe 7? 6? 4? I beleive 2, if you use the double 6-6" dinette table with the pop top up. (I am clostrophobic). But if my wife is mad at me she sleeps in the coffin like "V" berth. She invited me to join her there one night and I have to report that there is sex after death. Are sleeping accommodations comfortable? Depends on who you are sleeping with. Is the head practical and convenient to use: As the literature on the swell head of the Rhodes points out, half of us can stand up when we go, although it is the most comfortable seat in the boat - I also like the magazzine rack. Cooking facilities? You will have to ask the buyer who had us install a stainless steel oven with two burners on top. We also installed a real frig wtih a 5,000 foot extension cord. Light meals can be had since the dinete table can also be moved to the cockpit during daylight hours. Storage? To quote Bob Quinn who liked his Rodes so much he went out and bought a different boat, "For this size boat, can't be beat. The under counter space is great and the rear lazarrette will hold two people - if you hapen to be serving humans instead of beef for lunch.... QUALITY: What do you think of the boats construction? A Rhodes is like wine. It depends on the year. (explanation on request) How about the stock rigging? Better than asprin. With 9 stays, breaking the jib stay does not result in the mast falling on the crews' heads. . Does the boat seem durable? Yes. We are curently deciding whether to build them to self-destruct in 20 years or just go out of business.. Any noticeable oil-canning, flexing, peeling or delamination? see answer "depends on year" Any obvious shortcomings or corner-cutting in the design? The shortcoming is its length - while it is 26' inside it is only 22' on the outside. An obvious Phil Rhodes cost cutting design. COMPROMISES: What stands out in your mind as a compromise an owner of this boat is likely to have to make? Name. Most of the good names have been used up. . MODIFICATIONS: List any significant modifications you've made to your boat, how difficult they were to execute, and how successful you consider them, particularly in light of time and money spent. I refuse to answer this on the grounds that it may incriminate the entire company (in light of testimony from earlier models like Bob Quinn who did not have the features of the newer boats.). VALUE: We love this cocnept of value since the price of the boat is too high for buyers and too low for our accountant. But its value is perfect. We are upset with the prospect who said he bought another boat because his friend said no one knows the Rhodes and so it has no resale value and here we were hoping he would buy one so we could buy it back from him.. Compared with other small sailboats (25' or less), how do you rate this boat's value? We use the NADA book OTHER: Please feel free to share any other general or specific comments about this boat. It is not the boat. It is the owners that are going to give you a problem with the truth since they know that if they say anything negative we will take their boats away from them. Any other questions? > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From jsail1 at verizon.net Thu Jun 23 07:42:57 2005 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (Jay Friedland) Date: Thu Jun 23 06:43:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <42BA10FE.8070602@effros.com> References: <42BA10FE.8070602@effros.com> Message-ID: <940459b129fc2c0456c6ee6743aba347@verizon.net> On Jun 22, 2005, at 9:31 PM, Bill Effros wrote: > Right! > > P&M Beals wrote: > >> Hey Jay, thanks for the offer. >> Mike and I are hoping for Sunday to go out from Keyport but it >> wouldn't be >> til 2 likely. The forecast is for 85 and humid...now that sounds like >> pretty tame sailing weather. >> >> We went and sat on her on Memorial Day after my daughter finished her >> parade route. Beautiful breezes from 5-15 I would say, but there was a >> threat of that thunderstorm, well, so we sat and did some cleaning. >> We did very much enjoy the drink at the club afterwards. >> >> So, let's stay in touch and see. Is your boat in at LBI now? Are >> weekdays >> ever a possibility for you? >> >> Also, funny thing is that I haven't met the owner but there is another >> Rhodes 22 moored right beside ours. The guy sails, I hear, about 122 >> days a >> year which isn't too shabby for NJ ( OK some exaggeration >> possibly)...the >> boat yard owner who is renting us our mooring, told me the other >> Rhodie >> headed out to the Rhodes 22, and almost boarded our boat-he was so >> surprised >> to see another Rhodes 22 moored there. He has a traditional mainsail >> with a >> furling genoa jib. Eventually it should be interesting to see how >> our IMF >> sails along side of his traditional mainsail... I am still waiting >> to see >> if I will be satisfied with how close you can point with the IMF main. >> >> But just sailing the boat will be fine!! >> We did it last year dealing with strong currents and a dock...a >> mooring >> should be easier. Right, Bill? >> Phyllis >> Whisper Keyport >> >> >>> From: Jay Friedland >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:04:03 -0400 >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site >>> >>> Phyllis- >>> Still on call-your place or mine. >>> Jay >>> >>> On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died >>>> down... >>>> >>>> Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have >>>> enjoyed >>>> enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- >>>> >>>> and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this >>>> site? >>>> >>>> Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier >>>> horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. >>>> Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get >>>> over >>>> the >>>> intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without >>>> encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. >>>> >>>> Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and >>>> head for >>>> open water quite quickly. >>>> >>>> But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Phyllis >>>> Whisper >>>> Keyport >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: "ed kroposki" >>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >>>>> >>>>> Jay, >>>>> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >>>>> identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do >>>>> for >>>>> a >>>>> sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >>>>> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in >>>>> order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >>>>> So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >>>>> religious experience or guilt trip? >>>>> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >>>>> you visited the competition at >>>>> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >>>>> Have >>>>> you explored the archives of this site? >>>>> >>>>> Ed K >>>>> Greenville, SC, USA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From jsail1 at verizon.net Thu Jun 23 08:03:42 2005 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (Jay Friedland) Date: Thu Jun 23 07:03:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <42BA10FE.8070602@effros.com> References: <42BA10FE.8070602@effros.com> Message-ID: <6056b2a586a849d90ded99832696c04a@verizon.net> Bill, Could that be from first hand experience? First opportunity to e-mail. I took my son back to college on Sunday, and traveled between Phila & NYC til last night sans computer, sail time, etc. I'd like to follow-up more later, but suffice to say Saturday was one of those stand alone days when something clicked, or at least something to refer back as forever changed; not turning point yet until some action is taken. I always appreciated our time together, but you gave (I got) so much of yourself I had to thank you more than our other times. Just a quick update-Jody got the book, refused to sign the reissue of her contract, is giving it till this weekend's open house to pull the plug. She's planning on pulling the house off the market for July, and put it back as sale by owner in August. She has no problem with a month's plus expenses and upkeep, and knows all she learned about what not to do from the agent she/ we'll put into practice then. We're getting together with the book this weekend and hope to have the issues questions we need to resolve together by then as we go forward. We may have a question or two for you afterwards, but won't burden you till we get the big picture. Planning my boat repairs this weekend and resume the learning curve on the weak link from Saturday. My real challenge was getting the boat up on planing, but now I figure maybe that was what got me into trouble last Saturday heading into the slip. The big question is if you and Diane (?) got to Mud City that night. Best regards, J On Jun 22, 2005, at 9:31 PM, Bill Effros wrote: > Right! > > P&M Beals wrote: > >> Hey Jay, thanks for the offer. >> Mike and I are hoping for Sunday to go out from Keyport but it >> wouldn't be >> til 2 likely. The forecast is for 85 and humid...now that sounds like >> pretty tame sailing weather. >> >> We went and sat on her on Memorial Day after my daughter finished her >> parade route. Beautiful breezes from 5-15 I would say, but there was a >> threat of that thunderstorm, well, so we sat and did some cleaning. >> We did very much enjoy the drink at the club afterwards. >> >> So, let's stay in touch and see. Is your boat in at LBI now? Are >> weekdays >> ever a possibility for you? >> >> Also, funny thing is that I haven't met the owner but there is another >> Rhodes 22 moored right beside ours. The guy sails, I hear, about 122 >> days a >> year which isn't too shabby for NJ ( OK some exaggeration >> possibly)...the >> boat yard owner who is renting us our mooring, told me the other >> Rhodie >> headed out to the Rhodes 22, and almost boarded our boat-he was so >> surprised >> to see another Rhodes 22 moored there. He has a traditional mainsail >> with a >> furling genoa jib. Eventually it should be interesting to see how >> our IMF >> sails along side of his traditional mainsail... I am still waiting >> to see >> if I will be satisfied with how close you can point with the IMF main. >> >> But just sailing the boat will be fine!! >> We did it last year dealing with strong currents and a dock...a >> mooring >> should be easier. Right, Bill? >> Phyllis >> Whisper Keyport >> >> >>> From: Jay Friedland >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:04:03 -0400 >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site >>> >>> Phyllis- >>> Still on call-your place or mine. >>> Jay >>> >>> On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died >>>> down... >>>> >>>> Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have >>>> enjoyed >>>> enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- >>>> >>>> and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this >>>> site? >>>> >>>> Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier >>>> horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. >>>> Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get >>>> over >>>> the >>>> intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without >>>> encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. >>>> >>>> Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and >>>> head for >>>> open water quite quickly. >>>> >>>> But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Phyllis >>>> Whisper >>>> Keyport >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: "ed kroposki" >>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >>>>> >>>>> Jay, >>>>> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >>>>> identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do >>>>> for >>>>> a >>>>> sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >>>>> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in >>>>> order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >>>>> So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >>>>> religious experience or guilt trip? >>>>> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >>>>> you visited the competition at >>>>> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >>>>> Have >>>>> you explored the archives of this site? >>>>> >>>>> Ed K >>>>> Greenville, SC, USA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From jsail1 at verizon.net Thu Jun 23 08:13:30 2005 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (Jay Friedland) Date: Thu Jun 23 07:13:40 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apology to Bill and the List In-Reply-To: <6056b2a586a849d90ded99832696c04a@verizon.net> References: <42BA10FE.8070602@effros.com> <6056b2a586a849d90ded99832696c04a@verizon.net> Message-ID: List- This was a personal response that accidently went live. Please excuse me and delete this. Thanks. Jay On Jun 23, 2005, at 7:03 AM, Jay Friedland wrote: > Bill, > Could that be from first hand experience? > > First opportunity to e-mail. I took my son back to college on Sunday, > and traveled between Phila & NYC til last night sans computer, sail > time, etc. > > I'd like to follow-up more later, but suffice to say Saturday was one > of those stand alone days when something clicked, or at least > something to refer back as forever changed; not turning point yet > until some action is taken. I always appreciated our time together, > but you gave (I got) so much of yourself I had to thank you more than > our other times. > > Just a quick update-Jody got the book, refused to sign the reissue of > her contract, is giving it till this weekend's open house to pull the > plug. She's planning on pulling the house off the market for July, and > put it back as sale by owner in August. She has no problem with a > month's plus expenses and upkeep, and knows all she learned about what > not to do from the agent she/ we'll put into practice then. We're > getting together with the book this weekend and hope to have the > issues questions we need to resolve together by then as we go forward. > We may have a question or two for you afterwards, but won't burden you > till we get the big picture. > > Planning my boat repairs this weekend and resume the learning curve on > the weak link from Saturday. My real challenge was getting the boat up > on planing, but now I figure maybe that was what got me into trouble > last Saturday heading into the slip. > > The big question is if you and Diane (?) got to Mud City that night. > Best regards, J > > > > On Jun 22, 2005, at 9:31 PM, Bill Effros wrote: > >> Right! >> >> P&M Beals wrote: >> >>> Hey Jay, thanks for the offer. >>> Mike and I are hoping for Sunday to go out from Keyport but it >>> wouldn't be >>> til 2 likely. The forecast is for 85 and humid...now that sounds >>> like >>> pretty tame sailing weather. >>> >>> We went and sat on her on Memorial Day after my daughter finished >>> her >>> parade route. Beautiful breezes from 5-15 I would say, but there was >>> a >>> threat of that thunderstorm, well, so we sat and did some cleaning. >>> We did very much enjoy the drink at the club afterwards. >>> >>> So, let's stay in touch and see. Is your boat in at LBI now? Are >>> weekdays >>> ever a possibility for you? >>> >>> Also, funny thing is that I haven't met the owner but there is >>> another >>> Rhodes 22 moored right beside ours. The guy sails, I hear, about 122 >>> days a >>> year which isn't too shabby for NJ ( OK some exaggeration >>> possibly)...the >>> boat yard owner who is renting us our mooring, told me the other >>> Rhodie >>> headed out to the Rhodes 22, and almost boarded our boat-he was so >>> surprised >>> to see another Rhodes 22 moored there. He has a traditional mainsail >>> with a >>> furling genoa jib. Eventually it should be interesting to see how >>> our IMF >>> sails along side of his traditional mainsail... I am still waiting >>> to see >>> if I will be satisfied with how close you can point with the IMF >>> main. >>> >>> But just sailing the boat will be fine!! >>> We did it last year dealing with strong currents and a dock...a >>> mooring >>> should be easier. Right, Bill? >>> Phyllis >>> Whisper Keyport >>> >>> >>>> From: Jay Friedland >>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:04:03 -0400 >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site >>>> >>>> Phyllis- >>>> Still on call-your place or mine. >>>> Jay >>>> >>>> On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died >>>>> down... >>>>> >>>>> Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have >>>>> enjoyed >>>>> enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- >>>>> >>>>> and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this >>>>> site? >>>>> >>>>> Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much >>>>> prettier >>>>> horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. >>>>> Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get >>>>> over >>>>> the >>>>> intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without >>>>> encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. >>>>> >>>>> Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and >>>>> head for >>>>> open water quite quickly. >>>>> >>>>> But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Phyllis >>>>> Whisper >>>>> Keyport >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: "ed kroposki" >>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >>>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >>>>>> >>>>>> Jay, >>>>>> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >>>>>> identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do >>>>>> for >>>>>> a >>>>>> sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >>>>>> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be >>>>>> in >>>>>> order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >>>>>> So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >>>>>> religious experience or guilt trip? >>>>>> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >>>>>> you visited the competition at >>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >>>>>> Have >>>>>> you explored the archives of this site? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ed K >>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 23 08:36:49 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 23 07:37:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler, Slim's question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c577e7$d8c13aa0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Slim, Are you using the Wally modification? I use Wally's single line system, which while the slack line in the middle is awkward at times, works better than the two-line system. Another cleat in the opposite direction might solve the loose line issue. In summary though, it seems to be easier to use. Rummy was not impressed with the rig. He said that my main sail is blown and is baggy. Let me say that using the traveler seems to help with a baggy main sail in light winds. (For the sailing authorities, I have an IMF, which is loose footed for bagginess to begin with.) As to the engineering question that you pose, Roger is no longer on the list. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: Did rummy really hit her can in public? -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:05 AM To: Rhodes Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler I had a terrific day sailing solo today but I find myself wrestling a lot with the traveler. Has anyone ever changed to a different cleat to make it more ergonomic? If you dump the traveler in a gust, getting it back to windward is difficult if it's really blowing. I'd have much better leverage pulling the line forward rather than laterally to windward. Especially when I'm sitting in the cockpit and not up on the rail. Maybe a swivel cam like WM Cat page 1057, model #3734183. Heavier line? Any thoughts? Slim __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From julie at circle7.net Thu Jun 23 07:50:40 2005 From: julie at circle7.net (Julie Thorndycraft) Date: Thu Jun 23 08:07:38 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Numbers References: Message-ID: <000301c577e9$c7510c30$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> Blue Loon raced in her first race of the season last night and was informed by the race committee that we need to have numbers on the sail - other than R22 to be officially included in the race. Our sails have no numbers other than the R22 - does anyone have any numbers on their sails and if so, has there ever been a numbering scheme for the Rhodes? Thank you, Julie s/v Blue Loon From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 23 09:20:22 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Thu Jun 23 08:20:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Numbers References: <000301c577e9$c7510c30$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> Message-ID: <000d01c577ed$edd10460$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Julie: Our Tartan has the hull number (422) on the sail in addition to the Tartan symbol. So your hull number may be something to consider; however, I believe that Stan may start one up every year while the Tartan numbered from hull one until the design was discontinued. Another reason to stay with the R22, they are still building. Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Thorndycraft" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Numbers > Blue Loon raced in her first race of the season last night and was > informed by the race committee that we need to have numbers on the sail - > other than R22 to be officially included in the race. Our sails have no > numbers other than the R22 - does anyone have any numbers on their sails > and if so, has there ever been a numbering scheme for the Rhodes? > > Thank you, > Julie > s/v Blue Loon > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From robertdilk at hotmail.com Thu Jun 23 13:30:06 2005 From: robertdilk at hotmail.com (Robert Dilk) Date: Thu Jun 23 08:30:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry the first draft went out after I did plus thespellcheck also is out but here is completed survey Message-ID: Excellent comments Stan. I would like to add that I broke my Jib stay (25 years old and corroded) during a race in 20+ knots of wind and the mast stayed up. I had to get towed in because my OB could not make headway against the wind. That's when General Boats became my favorite boat company. Bob S/V Knot Necessary >From: "stan" >Reply-To: stan ,The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sorry the first draft went out after I did plus thespellcheck also is out but here is completed survey >Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:22:18 -0400 > > > > >> > >>>>> > Joshua Colvin >>>>>Managing Editor >>>>>Small Craft Advisor >>>>>907 Anchor >>>>>Morro Bay CA 93442 >>>>> >>>>>805-771-9393 >>>>>www.smallcraftadvisor.com >>>>>email: smallcraftadvisor@earthlink.net >> >One of the owners asked me to answer for him, so - for comic >relief:: > >ABOUT YOU AND YOUR BOAT: >Your name: Rhodes 22 >Your boat's name: The Placebo Effect >Boat make and length: General Boats Rhodes 22 >Year of manufacture: I am a lady and don't give out that >information >Please tell us a little about the extent of your sailing experience. >Small boat sailing since 1938 Learned on a homemade 11' something >or >other - then a wood Lightning until the wood mast broke then moved >on to >a wooden abondoned Snipe which I took on a two week cruise up the >Hudson to see if my significant future other really liked sailing or >was just >faking the screaming. Never took any lessons and it shows but did >win >my first race and immediately retired from racing to keep my perfect >record in tact. Hung up the pants used since learned by that seat. >. >Imported Corsairs and Ponants and other French plywod boats to test >the >US Sailboat market. Finally came out with the Picnic 17 which was a >combination sailboat and a skiing boat that didn't do too well so >gave >the idea to Roger. Although I currently build Rhodes 22s I don't >own >one because I charge too much. >>>>> >PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS: >Please give us your general impressions on the following subjects: >Ease of trailering: No problems. Except when I looked out the >widow and >saw the boat passing me. Have towed the equivalent of a dozen or so >times around the world without much excitement. After awhile you >don't >know you are towing it until you notice in the mirror that you are >being >followed by a boat. >Ease of launching and retrieving: So easy that if you get >challanged to race, make sure the race starts and ends with all >entries on their trailers. The boat self launches by applying the >car brakes - be prepared to swim. For show offs like me, sailing >onto the trailer gets lots of applause but the lowered centerboard >deserves the >credit. Ease of rigging: The instructions say that one man can >raise the mast - we just have not found him yet. But at 79 I can >do it single handed - if I use the cross over mast hoist system. >Lowering is no problem - I just pull all the pins and run like hell. >. >How the boat performs in light airs: Light airs are its big number. > I am accused of having an inboard. >How fast the boat is: Can manage 65 on the trailer. 8 surfing and >5 to 6 when the weather and I are at our best. Have passed all >sorts of racing craft going the other way. >How well it points: not as good as my dog - but it is not a dog >when considering it is a combination keel centerboarder. >Initial stability: Wonderful for a lightweight like me standing out >on the hiking seat gunnels. But then very tender and then suddenly >very stiff. Trully tried but never been able to turn one over under >sail. Something about the flared hull.. >SEAWORTHINESS: >How does your boat perform in heavy weather? Heavy airs are its big >number. How can you say that about light and heavey airs? Easy: >Lower the pop top, lower the boom (which lowers the center of sail >effort), shorten the IMF and fly a hankerchief that can be made out >of the reefed 175 genoa, put the cockpit cushions away to expose the >seats' heel grooves and get the crew up on the flared gunnels and >you have a different animal that is good for up to 29 knot winds.. >Is the boat forgiving? More so than my wife (but not as tender) >Does it inspire confidence? The Rhodes uncovered four niches: The >45 foot owner wo wants to get back to the fun of small boat handling >but does not want to give up the amenities they have grown >accustomed to on the big guy. The beginner who likes the foam >floatation and hard to turn over trait and throtability of >the sail area to match their learning curve. The realistic sailer >who does not want to go bigger than 22 but wants the most 22 out >there. And the sailor who wants a boat so easy to sail, he or she >can stay home. This latter group will really love next season's >model because it tells you if you had a good time or not when it >gets back. >Is it dry-riding? With the flared hull there is no contest. Not a >fair question. >Does it exhibit a weather helm? You left no box for neutral. >Tweaking can get you either side of neutral. >Is cockpit drainage adequate in your opinion? The three self >bailing drains work fine except in golf ball size hail storms. >ACCOMMODATIONS: >How many can comfortably daysail, overnight , or cruise for extended >periods on your boat? Would you believe 9? 4 in the cabin three >in the cockpit and two in the lazaret. OK, would you believe 7? 6? > 4? I beleive 2, if you use the double 6-6" dinette table with the >pop top up. (I am clostrophobic). But if my wife is mad at me she >sleeps in the coffin like "V" berth. She invited me to join her >there one night and I have to report that there is sex after death. >Are sleeping accommodations comfortable? Depends on who you are >sleeping with. >Is the head practical and convenient to use: As the literature on >the swell head of the Rhodes points out, half of us can stand up >when we go, although it is the most comfortable seat in the boat - I >also like the magazzine rack. >Cooking facilities? You will have to ask the buyer who had us >install a stainless steel oven with two burners on top. We also >installed a real frig wtih a 5,000 foot extension cord. Light meals >can be had since the dinete table can also be moved to the cockpit >during daylight hours. >Storage? To quote Bob Quinn who liked his Rodes so much he went out >and bought a different boat, "For this size boat, can't be beat. >The under counter space is great and the rear lazarrette will hold >two people - if you hapen to be serving humans instead of beef for >lunch.... >QUALITY: >What do you think of the boats construction? A Rhodes is like wine. > It depends on the year. (explanation on request) >How about the stock rigging? Better than asprin. With 9 stays, >breaking the jib stay does not result in the mast falling on the >crews' heads. . >Does the boat seem durable? Yes. We are curently deciding whether >to build them to self-destruct in 20 years or just go out of >business.. >Any noticeable oil-canning, flexing, peeling or delamination? see >answer "depends on year" >Any obvious shortcomings or corner-cutting in the design? The >shortcoming is its length - while it is 26' inside it is only 22' on >the outside. An obvious Phil Rhodes cost cutting design. >COMPROMISES: >What stands out in your mind as a compromise an owner of this boat >is >likely to have to make? Name. Most of the good names have been >used up. . >MODIFICATIONS: >List any significant modifications you've made to your boat, how >difficult they were to execute, and how successful you consider >them, particularly in light of time and money spent. I refuse to >answer this on the grounds that it may incriminate the entire >company (in light of testimony from earlier models like Bob Quinn >who did not have the features of the newer boats.). >VALUE: We love this cocnept of value since the price of the boat is >too high for buyers and too low for our accountant. But its value >is perfect. We are upset with the prospect who said he bought >another boat because his friend said no one knows the Rhodes and so >it has no resale value and here we were hoping he would buy one so >we could buy it back from him.. >Compared with other small sailboats (25' or less), how do you rate >this >boat's value? We use the NADA book >OTHER: >Please feel free to share any other general or specific comments >about >this boat. It is not the boat. It is the owners that are going >to give you a problem with the truth since they know that if they >say anything negative we will take their boats away from them. >Any other questions? >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 23 11:18:52 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 23 10:19:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re: BBQ was] Anchors In-Reply-To: <000e01c57792$ec582f60$660fa8c0@dell330> References: <42B9A6BD.90707@effros.com> <006601c57756$d9787490$660fa8c0@dell330> <42BA085B.1020708@effros.com> <000e01c57792$ec582f60$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <42BAC4CC.2020704@effros.com> Peter, Thanks for the update. Generally its around a 150 mile detour to go to Goldsboro, a detour I will happily take for good BBQ. But the last two times I was there, the pulled pork had the consistency of mush. There is a place near Stan's that has decent pulled pork--not great, but better than my last 2 times at Wilburs, and no detour if I'm going to GB. I'll give Wilburs another shot the next time I'm within 150 miles. I'm out of their BBQ sauce anyhow, and I'll track them down again and order more. When they are good, they are so, so good! Bill Effros Peter Thorn wrote: > Bill, > > If it's been a few years, could that be Hurricane Floyd? As far as I > recall, that's been the only inland flooding that could have effected > Wilburs on Hwy 70. Last year our small boat Tanzer fleet and the > Raleigh/Durham area Carolina Sailing Club attended the last Oriental > Sailing Social (around the marks buoy racing). On the way home we ate > at Wilburs and it was as good as ever. Behind the restaurant they > burn Hickory wood and slow cook the pigs over the coals. Eastern NC > is now one of the top pork producing areas, so I guess getting good > fresh pigs is no problem. The sauce is vinegar based, spicy and > tangy. The hush puppies are always hot and fresh and they make their > own cole slaw too. Uhmmm, good! I think it would be worth your > while to try them again if you're traveling through on I-95. It's far > better than any BBQ restaurant around here. > > PT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bill Effros > *To:* Peter Thorn ; The Rhodes 22 mail > list > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:54 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors > > Peter, > > I've been disappointed at Wilbers the last 2 times I've been > there. They had a flood or something, and their kitchen fell > apart. Is it better again? > > Bill Effros > > Peter Thorn wrote: > >>Bill, >> >>I agree a 10# mushroom makes a great lunch hook. After reading your posts, >>we used one with just a 3/8" line and a 5/16 quick link shackle on our long >>Memorial Day weekend trip to Kerr Lake. Quick, easy, and it holds the same >>in any direction (no resets for windshifts). In ten knots of breeze with a >>Carolina red clay bottom it held just fine. Not sure I could trust it >>overnight a breeze though. >> >>I like you minimalist thinking. Use the right anchor for the job -- very >>elegant. >> >>PT >> >>PS - What's happened to Wilbers? I'll grant you the decor is as bad as the >>pit cooked barbeque is delicious. We usually stop there every trip to >>Oriental, maybe once or twice a year. >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Bill Effros" >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:58 PM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors >> >> >> >> >>>Bill, >>> >>>Nobody is the expert. These are things we each try, and report back to >>>each other what works. Your experience with the Fortress validates my >>>experiences in less extreme situations, and I am grateful for your input. >>> >>>This list went through a period of recommending bigger and bigger >>>multi-hundred dollar anchors that nobody ever used because they would >>>not fit on the boat and could not be disassembled. >>> >>>Wally (I think it was) almost got hooted off the list when he said he >>>used a milk jug full of sand (or something like that) with an empty milk >>>jug as a buoy on the other end to mark his place and staked out good >>>moorings early in the day, sailed all day, then returned to his spot and >>>picked up his line. What did he have to lose? 2 empty milk jugs? >>> >>>That seemed a much better solution to me! It worked. People don't >>>steal milk jugs full of sand. If you use this idea only to reserve a >>>good anchoring spot early in the day it's a good idea. >>> >>>And so it goes. >>> >>>People who say mushroom anchors don't have holding power don't know what >>>they are talking about. My boat is permanently anchored on a 300 lb. >>>mushroom anchor, as are all the other boats in the harbor. 2:1 scope at >>>a maximum. 32 foot maximum length. As noted in the hurricane >>>discussion, there are hundreds of boats and they never drag into each >>>other, even during hurricanes. >>> >>>Last weekend I saw a big power boat grab my neighbor's mooring when the >>>tide was roughly 4 feet above low tide. He could barely get the eye of >>>the mooring line around his cleat. His scope was 1:1. After lunch he >>>couldn't remove the line from his cleat. It was pulling his bow into >>>the water with a force in excess of 300 pounds. He could have cut it, >>>but he wasn't likely to do so with me watching. He waited for low tide, >>>and maybe he learned something. (Probably not.) >>> >>>A jug of sand is all you need for a lunch hook most of the time. A >>>vinyl covered mushroom anchor will do just fine if you want to get >>>fancy. A shaped anchor with hooks or plows can be lighter than a jug of >>>sand, provided you know how to set it properly. The same is true of >>>shaped mushroom anchors. >>> >>>Multiple anchors are better than counting on a single anchor resetting. >>> >>>Where I live you will always get a 180 degree current shift while you >>>are asleep. >>> >>>This summer's project is devoted to finding out how little anchor you >>>really need. I already know you don't need chain--again, I think it was >>>Wally who first made this observation, and again to much derision. He >>>was the guy who actually anchored all the time. Everyone else was >>>reading magazines all winter. It should come as no surprise that he was >>>right. Try it. >>> >>>When you are just playing, as I will be this summer, you can throw >>>anything into the water and see what works. If you drift, there is no >>>harm done, and you take care of it. But if you don't drift, and you >>>greatly simplify every aspect of anchoring, you will be much more likely >>>to anchor more often, and to know you are safely anchoring every time. >>> >>>Bill Effros >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>William E. Wickman wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Bill E., >>>>Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've >>>> >>>> >>got >> >> >>>>two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on >>>> >>>> >>my >> >> >>>>last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its >>>>performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so >>>>please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever >>>>used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they >>>> >>>> >>don't >> >> >>>>have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a >>>> >>>> >>lunch >> >> >>>>hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you >>>> >>>> >>recommend? >> >> >>>>Bill W. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>|---------+----------------------------------> >>>>| | Bill Effros | >>>>| | | >>>>| | Sent by: | >>>>| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >>>>| | hodes22.org | >>>>| | | >>>>| | | >>>>| | 06/22/2005 07:47 AM | >>>>| | Please respond to The | >>>>| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >>>>| | | >>>>|---------+----------------------------------> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>---------------------------------------------------| >> >> >>>> | >>>> >>>> >>| >> >> >>>> | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>> >>>> >>| >> >> >>>> | cc: >>>> >>>> >>| >> >> >>>> | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors >>>> >>>> >>| >> >> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>---------------------------------------------------| >> >> >>>>Slim, >>>> >>>>Rummy doesn't know me. >>>> >>>>Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in >>>>the Laz.) >>>> >>>>I can get to the ones under the seat fastest. >>>> >>>>I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port >>>>seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on >>>>this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts, >>>>inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of >>>>different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm >>>>experimenting this summer. >>>> >>>>I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute. >>>>The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew >>>>to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot. >>>> >>>>The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot >>>>escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never >>>>escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the >>>>Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no >>>>exposed anchor tines. >>>> >>>>I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor >>>> >>>> >>>>from the stern most of the time because I am lazy. >>> >>> >>>>Bill Effros >>>> >>>> >>>>R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Slimmy, >>>>>I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that >>>>> >>>>> >>sucker >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat. >>>>> >>>>> >>I >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>keep >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few >>>>> >>>>> >>other >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette. >>>>>I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>by accident. >>>>>I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the >>>>> >>>>> >>knots >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise. >>>>>You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>heat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>days >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's >>>>>repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>tough it out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>and drink more cooling liquids. >>>>> >>>>>Rummy >>>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 23 11:24:01 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 23 10:24:12 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BBQ Ratings Message-ID: <42BAC601.9090705@effros.com> I don't know how this will come through Michael's system. It is a rating I just found that is posted on the Internet at: http://hkentcraig.com/ChrisDavisBBQReviews.html if it gets lost in translation, go to the page if you want to see it. Note, Short Sugars in VA gets his highest rating. Never heard of that one before. He has visited several chains. They vary with the abilities of the pit boss at each location. Some Red, Hot and Blue are excellent--some are average or poor. You can get excellent BBQ in Florida at Sonny's--if the pit boss at the franchise moved there from North Carolina. The beauty of BBQ is that the meat is supposed to be a lousy grade, cooked forever, then sauced. This means that someone who knows how to do it can prepare all of it, without having to physically be at the restaurant all the time. The point of it is not the sauce--that's just the whipped cream--it's what you can do with the meat. If you can cook the meat just right, and then add a great sauce, you've got great BBQ. Bill Effros. Chris Davis' Thumbnail Reviews Of Selected Barbecue Restaurants in North Carolina & Virginia *Name* *Address* *City* *State* *Date Visited* *Rating* *Comments* *Wife's Comments* A&M Grill 401 East Center St. Mebane NC 7/23/04 3 pigs Meat good, no sauce on table average at best Allen & Son Mile North of 40 on 86 Hillsborough nc 8/21/04 1 pig Meat taste burnt, sauce is awful He is to nice disgrace to Barbecue Wilburs barbecue Kinston NC early 90,s 4 1/2 pigs great Loved it, best meat I have had Short Sugars Danville VA all the time 5 pigs Love it Simply the Best Bullock's 3330 Wortham Durham NC 6/4/04 4 pigs good barbecue chicken too dry great barbecue Stamey's Greensboro NC 10/18/04 3 1/2 Pigs ok stew real good not impressed J & G Barbecue Haw River NC 6/26/04 2 1/2 pigs no sauce on table rated it 1 1/2 pigs not good to her Hog Heaven 501 South Roxboro NC all the time 2 1/2 pigs barbecue little greasy Pierces Williamsburg VA 4/4/03 4 pigs good Red, Hot and Blue Chapel Hill NC twice 4pigs great chili Fuzzy's Eden NC 2/2/04 2 pigs don't waste time Mickey' Barbecue Semora NC 1/2/00 1 pig taste like canned barbecue Hurseys Barbecue Burlington NC 12/3/04 3 pigs so so Sonny's Barbecue Charlotte NC 9/3/04 2 pigs sauces ok but barbecue tasteless Troutman's Concord NC 9/3/04 3pigs chops in front of you Smithfields babecue Clayton nc all the time 3 1/2 Pigs Fast food Barbecue Country Barbecue Wendover Ave. Greensboro NC 90's 3 pigs Average barbecue Hobgoods Hillsborough NC 90's 4 pigs good sauce Closed now Barbecue Shack Thomasville NC 9/3/04 3pigs Good barbecue, sauce western Bob's Barbecue Creedmoor NC 7/3/04 3 Pigs Meat good taste, sauce eastern Bland's Barbecue Warsaw NC 7/17/04 2 pigs not that good and no sauce Vegetables good, barbecue not Bubba's Barbecue Frisco NC 7/19/04 2 1/2 pigs Meat good taste, sauce eastern Expensive Big Oak Drive in Salter Path NC 7/20/04 3 1/2 pigs Meat good, sauce was eastern Nunnery Freemans Henderson NC 7/31/04 4 1/2 pigs great place mustard sauce CHEAP Very impressed moist barbecue Wilson Bros. Barbecue Danville St. South Hill VA 8/3/04 4pigs Good Barbecue and good sauce Bennetts Barbecue Pigeon Forge TN 9/1/00 1 pig Don't waste time Poor imitation Corky's Barbecue Pigeon Forge TN 10/1/03 3pigs Memphis style barbecue, good sauce Ole Virginia Barbecue 35 Meadow View Rocky Mount VA 8/1/00 3pigs Average barbecue, Beef Barbecue good Skipper Forsyths Henderson NC 9/18/04 3 1/2 Barbecue ok, Corn pudding awesome Kings Barbecue Kinston NC 10/16/02 2 1/2 Mass production, kind of bland Carolina Barbecue & Seafood Maple road Burlington NC 11/6/04 2.75 pigs Cooks with wood. No sauce on table Meat has good taste Old NC Barbecue Roxboro Road Durham NC 12/4/04 1.25 pigs Not good at all. No sauce available Awful Lexington Barbecue Lexington NC 12/22/04 5 pigs Simply the best Awesome The Q Shack Southpoint Mall Durham NC 12/28/04 pork 3pigs/beef 4 Beef Barbecue good Pork Average Pulled Chicken Barbecue Good Speedy's Barbecue Hwy 52 Lexington NC 12/29/04 3 1/2 Pigs good meat little greasy/get plenty for $ Hushpuppies were good/meat greasy Dillard's Barbecue Fayetteville st. Durham NC 2/26/05 2 1/2 pigs Meat greasy/sauce ok/ vegetables Great Taste like can barbecue/ Mac & cheese Great No sauce on table is 1/2 Pig deduction / This page last updated: March 3, 2005 / From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 23 11:39:34 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 23 10:39:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Numbers In-Reply-To: <000301c577e9$c7510c30$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> References: <000301c577e9$c7510c30$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> Message-ID: <42BAC9A6.3060405@effros.com> Stan used to number the sails, but it became impossible. You need a replacement sail from Stan, right away, and it's got to have your own personal sail number on it? Right. I would get some stick-on numbers at a stationery store and stick them on the sail at the clew when you are racing, assuming the regs don't specify where on the sail the numbers must be. Someone will tell you this will ruin the air flow on your sail. Don't worry. You may not win the race, but the stick-on numbers won't be the reason. Bill Effros Julie Thorndycraft wrote: > Blue Loon raced in her first race of the season last night and was > informed by the race committee that we need to have numbers on the > sail - other than R22 to be officially included in the race. Our sails > have no numbers other than the R22 - does anyone have any numbers on > their sails and if so, has there ever been a numbering scheme for the > Rhodes? > > Thank you, > Julie > s/v Blue Loon > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From lcrowther at cox.net Thu Jun 23 11:49:23 2005 From: lcrowther at cox.net (Lloyd Crowther) Date: Thu Jun 23 10:49:28 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Numbers References: <000301c577e9$c7510c30$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> Message-ID: <004601c57802$bebe08c0$1402a8c0@lloydpc> Uhuru II, a '84 Rhodes22 with a standard mainsail, has the following information on her mainsail: Top: R Next: 22 Lower: 402 Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Thorndycraft" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Numbers > Blue Loon raced in her first race of the season last night and was > informed by the race committee that we need to have numbers on the sail - > other than R22 to be officially included in the race. Our sails have no > numbers other than the R22 - does anyone have any numbers on their sails > and if so, has there ever been a numbering scheme for the Rhodes? > > Thank you, > Julie > s/v Blue Loon > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 23 12:14:22 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 23 11:14:34 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apology to Bill and the List In-Reply-To: References: <42BA10FE.8070602@effros.com> <6056b2a586a849d90ded99832696c04a@verizon.net> Message-ID: <42BAD1CE.3060905@effros.com> Jay, No apology necessary, although it should remind us all of the dangers of hitting the reply button without first noting where the reply is going. We got a doozy a few years ago! Peter, same thing. I got your message back-channel also, but was unable to reply back-channel. Decided to send it through the list, as I did not feel it was too personal. Bill Effros PS -- Jay, I am trying to catch up with back email and noted the one below. Yes, it was a response to Saturday, and I have spoken to some people about it, and came up with a modified Roger response that you might want to try: Put a line with a loop on the end on your furthest from the dock piling at roughly winch height. The line should be 1 foot shorter than the distance from the piling to the winch when your bow is 1 foot from the dock. (You get the idea.) As you enter the slip, drop the loop over the winch. You will come to a dead stop every time. Secure the rest of your lines. If you are worried that you are going too fast, abort before entering the slip. This entire procedure can be done under sail if you have an IMF. Furl the Jib when you reach the far dock. Furl the IMF when you get to a point where you can coast into the slip at 1 kt or less. You can learn to do this no matter which way the wind is blowing--use your rudder to slow you down, and make sharp 90 degree turns to slow down if you are going too fast. Practice first with your motor, and all sails furled. When you understand the coasting dynamic coming into your slip, do it with the IMF, with the motor on, in the water, in neutral. You will find you never put the motor into reverse to resolve your problem, you always abort much sooner than that, and go out to try again. You can deploy an IMF as quickly as you can shift a motor and rev it up to the point where the prop bites. The IMF may even be faster if you already know that is your "go-to" solution. Once you know it works, you can sail into the slip every time. Bill PPS -- It's beautiful today. I'll either clean up the rest of my email or go sailing. I'm thinking...thinking....... Jay Friedland wrote: > List- > This was a personal response that accidently went live. Please excuse > me and delete this. Thanks. Jay > > > On Jun 23, 2005, at 7:03 AM, Jay Friedland wrote: > >> Bill, >> Could that be from first hand experience? >> >> First opportunity to e-mail. I took my son back to college on Sunday, >> and traveled between Phila & NYC til last night sans computer, sail >> time, etc. >> >> I'd like to follow-up more later, but suffice to say Saturday was one >> of those stand alone days when something clicked, or at least >> something to refer back as forever changed; not turning point yet >> until some action is taken. I always appreciated our time together, >> but you gave (I got) so much of yourself I had to thank you more than >> our other times. >> >> Just a quick update-Jody got the book, refused to sign the reissue of >> her contract, is giving it till this weekend's open house to pull the >> plug. She's planning on pulling the house off the market for July, >> and put it back as sale by owner in August. She has no problem with a >> month's plus expenses and upkeep, and knows all she learned about >> what not to do from the agent she/ we'll put into practice then. >> We're getting together with the book this weekend and hope to have >> the issues questions we need to resolve together by then as we go >> forward. We may have a question or two for you afterwards, but won't >> burden you till we get the big picture. >> >> Planning my boat repairs this weekend and resume the learning curve >> on the weak link from Saturday. My real challenge was getting the >> boat up on planing, but now I figure maybe that was what got me into >> trouble last Saturday heading into the slip. >> >> The big question is if you and Diane (?) got to Mud City that night. >> Best regards, J >> >> >> >> On Jun 22, 2005, at 9:31 PM, Bill Effros wrote: >> >>> Right! >>> >>> P&M Beals wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Jay, thanks for the offer. >>>> Mike and I are hoping for Sunday to go out from Keyport but it >>>> wouldn't be >>>> til 2 likely. The forecast is for 85 and humid...now that sounds like >>>> pretty tame sailing weather. >>>> >>>> We went and sat on her on Memorial Day after my daughter finished her >>>> parade route. Beautiful breezes from 5-15 I would say, but there was a >>>> threat of that thunderstorm, well, so we sat and did some cleaning. >>>> We did very much enjoy the drink at the club afterwards. >>>> >>>> So, let's stay in touch and see. Is your boat in at LBI now? Are >>>> weekdays >>>> ever a possibility for you? >>>> >>>> Also, funny thing is that I haven't met the owner but there is another >>>> Rhodes 22 moored right beside ours. The guy sails, I hear, about >>>> 122 days a >>>> year which isn't too shabby for NJ ( OK some exaggeration >>>> possibly)...the >>>> boat yard owner who is renting us our mooring, told me the other >>>> Rhodie >>>> headed out to the Rhodes 22, and almost boarded our boat-he was so >>>> surprised >>>> to see another Rhodes 22 moored there. He has a traditional >>>> mainsail with a >>>> furling genoa jib. Eventually it should be interesting to see how >>>> our IMF >>>> sails along side of his traditional mainsail... I am still waiting >>>> to see >>>> if I will be satisfied with how close you can point with the IMF main. >>>> >>>> But just sailing the boat will be fine!! >>>> We did it last year dealing with strong currents and a dock...a >>>> mooring >>>> should be easier. Right, Bill? >>>> Phyllis >>>> Whisper Keyport >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Jay Friedland >>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:04:03 -0400 >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site >>>>> >>>>> Phyllis- >>>>> Still on call-your place or mine. >>>>> Jay >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died >>>>>> down... >>>>>> >>>>>> Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have >>>>>> enjoyed >>>>>> enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- >>>>>> >>>>>> and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this >>>>>> site? >>>>>> >>>>>> Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier >>>>>> horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. >>>>>> Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get >>>>>> over >>>>>> the >>>>>> intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without >>>>>> encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and >>>>>> head for >>>>>> open water quite quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> Phyllis >>>>>> Whisper >>>>>> Keyport >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "ed kroposki" >>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>>>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >>>>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jay, >>>>>>> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >>>>>>> identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not >>>>>>> do for >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >>>>>>> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in >>>>>>> order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >>>>>>> So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >>>>>>> religious experience or guilt trip? >>>>>>> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >>>>>>> you visited the competition at >>>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >>>>>>> Have >>>>>>> you explored the archives of this site? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ed K >>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 23 12:23:30 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 23 11:23:41 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mr. Effros and BBQ In-Reply-To: <42BAC4CC.2020704@effros.com> Message-ID: <000001c57807$831a72e0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Bill: A good number of people gave you good and accurate information about BBQ places. So what do you give us in return? Look at YOUR message and tell us how much good it does the rest of us who might visit Edenton! "There is a place near Stan's that has decent pulled pork--not great, but better than my last 2 times at Wilburs, and no detour if I'm going to GB." Maybe you are just pulling the pig's leg. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -------------- next part -------------- Name: Complaint Dept.gif Type: image/gif Size: 32823 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/23/ComplaintDept.gif From pthorn at nc.rr.com Thu Jun 23 14:16:39 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Thu Jun 23 13:15:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Numbers References: <000301c577e9$c7510c30$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> <42BAC9A6.3060405@effros.com> Message-ID: <009401c57817$51850460$660fa8c0@dell330> This is an instance where having a Rhodes 22 Class Association registered with US Sailing would be helpful. If there were such a class association, we could then create some rules that might be helpful. For example, we could regulate the size of numbers, or create a class rule saying numbers are not required for racing, provided the boat could be easily identified by some other means -- say the boat name in 5" high letters on the rear quarter in contrasting colors, for example. Or, a rule saying the boat's number would fly from a pennant of a certain size off the stern rail. There are lots of ways to officially identify a boat. If there was only one R22 in the race, then I think the race committe was being overly technical for club racing. You could get some colored sail tape (sold for spinnaker repair) and place a big "X" on the main. That would certainly suffice if I were the Principal Race Officer -- unless another boat used the same letter. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Numbers > Stan used to number the sails, but it became impossible. > > You need a replacement sail from Stan, right away, and it's got to have > your own personal sail number on it? > > Right. > > I would get some stick-on numbers at a stationery store and stick them > on the sail at the clew when you are racing, assuming the regs don't > specify where on the sail the numbers must be. Someone will tell you > this will ruin the air flow on your sail. Don't worry. You may not win > the race, but the stick-on numbers won't be the reason. > > Bill Effros > > Julie Thorndycraft wrote: > > > Blue Loon raced in her first race of the season last night and was > > informed by the race committee that we need to have numbers on the > > sail - other than R22 to be officially included in the race. Our sails > > have no numbers other than the R22 - does anyone have any numbers on > > their sails and if so, has there ever been a numbering scheme for the > > Rhodes? > > > > Thank you, > > Julie > > s/v Blue Loon > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 23 15:41:11 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 23 15:41:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler, Slim's question In-Reply-To: <000001c577e7$d8c13aa0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Ed and Rummy, I think my sails are probably a bit blown out as well although I'm not sure how to tell. But the boat performs noticeably better up wind when I take the traveler to whether and get the boom right on the center line. (light winds) I have not tried Wally's single line system but it doesn't solve the ergonomic problem. Normally, what I do when I tack is to dump the traveler first and let the wind take it to the other side, cleat it off and then deal with the jib. This works OK for a tack, but if I dump it in a gust, it's much harder to do. I'm more likely to deal with a gust the lazy way--by turning upwind--which often makes for luffing and losing speed. I don't race but I still try to get the best performance I can. Slim On 6/23/05 6:36 AM, "ed kroposki" wrote: > > Slim, > Are you using the Wally modification? I use Wally's single line > system, which while the slack line in the middle is awkward at times, works > better than the two-line system. Another cleat in the opposite direction > might solve the loose line issue. In summary though, it seems to be easier > to use. > Rummy was not impressed with the rig. He said that my main sail is > blown and is baggy. Let me say that using the traveler seems to help with a > baggy main sail in light winds. (For the sailing authorities, I have an > IMF, which is loose footed for bagginess to begin with.) > As to the engineering question that you pose, Roger is no longer on > the list. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Addendum: Did rummy really hit her can in public? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:05 AM > To: Rhodes > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler > > I had a terrific day sailing solo today but I find myself wrestling a lot > with the traveler. Has anyone ever changed to a different cleat to make it > more ergonomic? If you dump the traveler in a gust, getting it back to > windward is difficult if it's really blowing. I'd have much better leverage > pulling the line forward rather than laterally to windward. Especially when > I'm sitting in the cockpit and not up on the rail. Maybe a swivel cam like > WM Cat page 1057, model #3734183. Heavier line? Any thoughts? > > Slim > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mkaynor at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 17:27:32 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Thu Jun 23 16:27:47 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42bb1b3e.1475ad9b.702c.ffffacae@mx.gmail.com> Slim, Here's a good reference from the archives: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2003-June/008597.html Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:05 AM To: Rhodes Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler I had a terrific day sailing solo today but I find myself wrestling a lot with the traveler. Has anyone ever changed to a different cleat to make it more ergonomic? If you dump the traveler in a gust, getting it back to windward is difficult if it's really blowing. I'd have much better leverage pulling the line forward rather than laterally to windward. Especially when I'm sitting in the cockpit and not up on the rail. Maybe a swivel cam like WM Cat page 1057, model #3734183. Heavier line? Any thoughts? Slim __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 23 17:25:31 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 23 17:25:40 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler In-Reply-To: <42bb1b3e.1475ad9b.702c.ffffacae@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Mark. That's exactly what I was looking for. Have you made this modification? Slim On 6/23/05 3:27 PM, "Mark Kaynor" wrote: > Slim, > > Here's a good reference from the archives: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2003-June/008597.html > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:05 AM > To: Rhodes > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler > > I had a terrific day sailing solo today but I find myself wrestling a lot > with the traveler. Has anyone ever changed to a different cleat to make it > more ergonomic? If you dump the traveler in a gust, getting it back to > windward is difficult if it's really blowing. I'd have much better leverage > pulling the line forward rather than laterally to windward. Especially when > I'm sitting in the cockpit and not up on the rail. Maybe a swivel cam like > WM Cat page 1057, model #3734183. Heavier line? Any thoughts? > > Slim > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 23 19:11:36 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 23 18:11:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler, Slim's ? again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c57840$85fc4630$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Mr. Slim: The first part of old Roger's post is apparently what Wally has set up without the additional engineering and expense and not knowing if all the highly technical additions will really work. This is use a single contiguous line. How long? Take your two current lines off, put them end to end, and get a new single, contiguous line that length. This is often referred to as the KISS principle. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: "We won the race by twenty-three seconds, and two seconds after we had crossed the line the mast snapped. Which solved the problem of stopping, anyway." Philip Holland. -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:26 PM To: Rhodes Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler Thank you, Mark. That's exactly what I was looking for. Have you made this modification? Slim On 6/23/05 3:27 PM, "Mark Kaynor" wrote: > Slim, > > Here's a good reference from the archives: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2003-June/008597.html > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:05 AM > To: Rhodes > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler > > I had a terrific day sailing solo today but I find myself wrestling a lot > with the traveler. Has anyone ever changed to a different cleat to make it > more ergonomic? If you dump the traveler in a gust, getting it back to > windward is difficult if it's really blowing. I'd have much better leverage > pulling the line forward rather than laterally to windward. Especially when > I'm sitting in the cockpit and not up on the rail. Maybe a swivel cam like > WM Cat page 1057, model #3734183. Heavier line? Any thoughts? > > Slim > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 23 20:35:47 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 23 19:36:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mr. Effros and BBQ In-Reply-To: <000001c57807$831a72e0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> References: <000001c57807$831a72e0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <42BB4753.8090500@effros.com> Ed, Sorry. I haven't been in Edenton in years. I was pulling my boat out of Stan's place in 1998 heading north. I saw a place on the side of the road, and thought it might be smart to grab a bite before hitting the highway. There was a parking spot long enough for my truck and boat with a forward pull out. "Why not?" thought I. I ordered the pulled pork sandwich, and it was pretty good. I pulled out, drove home, and haven't given it a second thought until now. That's the best I can do. Bill Effros ed kroposki wrote: >Bill: > A good number of people gave you good and accurate information about >BBQ places. So what do you give us in return? Look at YOUR message and >tell us how much good it does the rest of us who might visit Edenton! >"There is a place near Stan's that has decent pulled pork--not great, but >better than my last 2 times at Wilburs, and no detour if I'm going to GB." > Maybe you are just pulling the pig's leg. > >Ed K >Greenville, SC, USA > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Name: Complaint Dept.gif Type: image/gif Size: 32823 bytes Desc: not available >Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/23/ComplaintDept.gif > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 23 21:29:47 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 23 20:29:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Message-ID: <42BB53FB.4080404@effros.com> Bill, Peter, Well, it turns out all you need is a 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor. The only trick to it is an enormous amount of scope. I've never seen a boat anchored with the amount of scope I gave myself today -- probably around 30 to one. I was swinging in a 600 foot arc. But I didn't drag that anchor. I swung through roughly a 110? arc before I got bored, and went back to sailing. Wind was in the four to seven knot range. To set the anchor I furled both sails, locked the grapnel in its open position, and lowered it overboard while the wind continued to move me slowly forward. I lowered from the stern, making sure that I paid out the line faster than I was moving forward, causing the anchor to drop to the bottom. When I had paid out roughly 150 feet of line I cleated it off. Sure enough, when the line pulled straight, the boat stopped, and, except for swinging, stayed stopped. I then put the remaining 150 feet of line into the water, holding on to the bitter end. The line floated more or less in place. I wasn't going anywhere. I then uncleated the line in the middle, and re-cleated it at the end. The boat drifted to the end of the line, and stopped. I stayed anchored like this for 15 minutes. Then I pulled the boat backwards for easily 150 feet before the anchor pulled free -- and then immediately reset. As the scope got shorter, the anchor released more frequently, however it always reset until the scope approached the 1:1 range, at which point the tines were pointing upward like a flower, and could not possibly set. I then pulled it straight up, and placed it, along with the flaked line, in the Rubbermaid box, and let everything dry in the sun. Both the anchor and the line were completely clean. I would not hesitate to use it as a lunch hook in the future. What's more, by stern anchoring, your bow is facing in the direction you wish to go. Pull the anchor, sail off. I'm still going to play with the three and 5 pound anchors, and I'll try anchoring in higher winds. Try it, you'll like it. Anchoring becomes so simple, and effortless you won't think twice about doing it. I suspect that's got to make boat operation safer. I have long believed that multiple anchors are the way to go, and will start playing with multiple anchors deployed in different directions. Please play along. By the end of this summer we should all know how to anchor our boats so they won't move until we are ready. Heavier anchors with longer tines will allow shorter scopes. Bill Effros From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 23 21:49:35 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 23 20:49:44 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy, ever been to In-Reply-To: <42BAC601.9090705@effros.com> Message-ID: <000001c57856$98449840$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Rummy, This place is between you and Clemson, have you ever been there? I bet that the entertainment is just what Bill E wants in a BBQ place. If we ever get him to town, we need to check this place out with him. www.justbbq.com/restaurant.htm Hey, thanks to Bill's list, I found one for South Carolina: www.dixiedining.com/dixie/southcarolina.htm The list even includes the street address for 'Little Pigs of Anderson'. Bill needs to make a special trip to South Carolina to check it out. Come on down, Bill. Get out of that sweltering city and smell the honeysuckle. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA From salm at mn.rr.com Fri Jun 24 02:35:32 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Fri Jun 24 02:35:40 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler, Slim's ? again In-Reply-To: <000001c57840$85fc4630$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Mr. Ed, Yes, the GB traveler system is simple but it's not easy, or could be easier. The continuous line does not change the way you have to pull on it to set it. Further, the lee line often gets snagged on its cleat when trying to pull the thing to whether. This would also be eliminated with a cam cleat. And besides, Roger's solution doesn't seen "highly technical." It seems like a pretty straight-forward modification. Slim On 6/23/05 5:11 PM, "ed kroposki" wrote: > Mr. Slim: > The first part of old Roger's post is apparently what Wally has set > up without the additional engineering and expense and not knowing if all the > highly technical additions will really work. > This is use a single contiguous line. How long? Take your two > current lines off, put them end to end, and get a new single, contiguous > line that length. This is often referred to as the KISS principle. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Addendum: "We won the race by twenty-three seconds, and two seconds after > we had crossed the line the mast snapped. Which solved the problem of > stopping, anyway." Philip Holland. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:26 PM > To: Rhodes > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler > > Thank you, Mark. That's exactly what I was looking for. Have you made this > modification? > > Slim > > On 6/23/05 3:27 PM, "Mark Kaynor" wrote: > >> Slim, >> >> Here's a good reference from the archives: >> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2003-June/008597.html >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:05 AM >> To: Rhodes >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler >> >> I had a terrific day sailing solo today but I find myself wrestling a lot >> with the traveler. Has anyone ever changed to a different cleat to make > it >> more ergonomic? If you dump the traveler in a gust, getting it back to >> windward is difficult if it's really blowing. I'd have much better > leverage >> pulling the line forward rather than laterally to windward. Especially > when >> I'm sitting in the cockpit and not up on the rail. Maybe a swivel cam > like >> WM Cat page 1057, model #3734183. Heavier line? Any thoughts? >> >> Slim >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Fri Jun 24 06:03:44 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 24 05:03:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy, ever been to Message-ID: <20f.397c657.2fed2670@aol.com> Maybe even get hi, in to "Skins." From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 24 08:12:55 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 24 07:13:13 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy, 'Hot Dog' In-Reply-To: <20f.397c657.2fed2670@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001c578ad$af438400$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Skin Thrasher's Hot Dogs - Anderson - is the most famous eatery in Anderson? I am of the opinion that since Bill brought up the topic of regional food, he needs to make a special trip to Anderson, South Carolina and check out both places. He needs a 'skins' dog all the way. Since he is alleged to be a professional writer, he might he even have something to write about. I can see his next book now, 'American culinary delicacies'. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: "It is every man's obligation to put back into the world at least the equivalent of what he takes out of it." Albert Einstein From mkaynor at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 09:56:31 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Fri Jun 24 08:56:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42bc030d.3de0575b.5afa.6e35@mx.gmail.com> Slim, Nope. Once we stole the continuous line idea from a friend's S2, we were happy enough with it to not want to spend the extra $$s. Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:26 PM To: Rhodes Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler Thank you, Mark. That's exactly what I was looking for. Have you made this modification? Slim On 6/23/05 3:27 PM, "Mark Kaynor" wrote: > Slim, > > Here's a good reference from the archives: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2003-June/008597.html > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:05 AM > To: Rhodes > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler > > I had a terrific day sailing solo today but I find myself wrestling a > lot with the traveler. Has anyone ever changed to a different cleat > to make it more ergonomic? If you dump the traveler in a gust, > getting it back to windward is difficult if it's really blowing. I'd > have much better leverage pulling the line forward rather than > laterally to windward. Especially when I'm sitting in the cockpit and > not up on the rail. Maybe a swivel cam like WM Cat page 1057, model #3734183. Heavier line? Any thoughts? > > Slim > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From wewickman at duke-energy.com Fri Jun 24 10:45:39 2005 From: wewickman at duke-energy.com (William E. Wickman) Date: Fri Jun 24 09:46:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Message-ID: Bill, Thanks for sharing. How deep was the anchorage? What type bottom? Did you use any chain? Bill W. |---------+----------------------------------> | | Bill Effros | | | | | | Sent by: | | | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| | | hodes22.org | | | | | | | | | 06/23/2005 08:29 PM | | | Please respond to The | | | Rhodes 22 mail list | | | | |---------+----------------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: R22 List | | cc: | | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Bill, Peter, Well, it turns out all you need is a 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor. The only trick to it is an enormous amount of scope. I've never seen a boat anchored with the amount of scope I gave myself today -- probably around 30 to one. I was swinging in a 600 foot arc. But I didn't drag that anchor. I swung through roughly a 110? arc before I got bored, and went back to sailing. Wind was in the four to seven knot range. To set the anchor I furled both sails, locked the grapnel in its open position, and lowered it overboard while the wind continued to move me slowly forward. I lowered from the stern, making sure that I paid out the line faster than I was moving forward, causing the anchor to drop to the bottom. When I had paid out roughly 150 feet of line I cleated it off. Sure enough, when the line pulled straight, the boat stopped, and, except for swinging, stayed stopped. I then put the remaining 150 feet of line into the water, holding on to the bitter end. The line floated more or less in place. I wasn't going anywhere. I then uncleated the line in the middle, and re-cleated it at the end. The boat drifted to the end of the line, and stopped. I stayed anchored like this for 15 minutes. Then I pulled the boat backwards for easily 150 feet before the anchor pulled free -- and then immediately reset. As the scope got shorter, the anchor released more frequently, however it always reset until the scope approached the 1:1 range, at which point the tines were pointing upward like a flower, and could not possibly set. I then pulled it straight up, and placed it, along with the flaked line, in the Rubbermaid box, and let everything dry in the sun. Both the anchor and the line were completely clean. I would not hesitate to use it as a lunch hook in the future. What's more, by stern anchoring, your bow is facing in the direction you wish to go. Pull the anchor, sail off. I'm still going to play with the three and 5 pound anchors, and I'll try anchoring in higher winds. Try it, you'll like it. Anchoring becomes so simple, and effortless you won't think twice about doing it. I suspect that's got to make boat operation safer. I have long believed that multiple anchors are the way to go, and will start playing with multiple anchors deployed in different directions. Please play along. By the end of this summer we should all know how to anchor our boats so they won't move until we are ready. Heavier anchors with longer tines will allow shorter scopes. Bill Effros __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From dennis_narehood at att.net Sat Jun 25 22:16:19 2005 From: dennis_narehood at att.net (dennis_narehood@att.net) Date: Sat Jun 25 17:16:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trying to contact Jay Friedland Message-ID: <062520052116.20241.42BDC9A30004744E00004F1121602807480B0101080A9D0E02A19C0702020A0B@att.net> Jay, We met last year when you came to the house to help me raise the mast. Didn't happen because the jib furlinf tube and stay needed to be replaced. Jib and forestay are fixed and I would like help to get the mast up. I have a mast host system from Stan. Thanks Dennis From lcrowther at cox.net Sat Jun 25 20:12:59 2005 From: lcrowther at cox.net (Lloyd Crowther) Date: Sat Jun 25 19:13:11 2005 Subject: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Lloyd's need for security? Message-ID: <00b701c579db$6e39fd20$1402a8c0@lloydpc> Ed K., To answer your question: To: ALAUX Frm: CHDIRAUX (G-OCX-1) Subj: SIXTY-SIXTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE UNITED STATES COAST GUARD AUXILIARY -012/05 1. ALCOAST 334/05 June 23, 2005 marks the Coast Guard Auxiliary sixty-sixth year of service to the coast guard and the nation. We are incredibly fortunate to be able to call Auxiliarists our shipmates, for they have stepped forward to help fill our watch, quarter and station bills to ensure the safety and security of our nation. Today the Auxiliary plays a larger role with greater responsibilities than at any other time in history. Today, Auxiliarists are at the helm of Marine safety and security patrols, serving as foreign language Interpreters, educating the public on recreational boating safety, and supporting many other vital operational and administrative Missions. Last year, they saved 257 lives, assisted 10,485 others, Volunteered over 440,000 hours in support of Coast Guard operations and more than 69,000 hours educating the recreational boating public. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lloyd's need for security? Lloyd, You have lost me. First you want to sell your boat because of physical limitations. Second you want your security clearance for wartime duty? Does the Coast Guard need sailing captains? Old fashion stealth technology? Sail the Persian Gulf? If that does not beat all. Imagine that, Comodore Lloyd intercepting Arab Dowhs(sp) on terrorist missions. Ed K Iced in in Vermont, Temp about 8 F. From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 25 23:06:26 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 25 22:08:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42BE0DA2.70902@effros.com> Bill, Calling it "an anchorage" gives it a little more credit than it deserves. It was more like open water where if anything went wrong no one would get hurt. According to my charts it was around 20 feet deep, but I didn't know that at the time. I can't really tell you what the bottom looked like, because the anchor came up totally clean. I used no chain, and will probably shortly remove all chain from my rodes, although I'll probably keep 20 feet or so on board for no good reason. The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that, despite what we repeatedly read, chain undermines the functionality of modern, high-tech, lightweight anchors. The point (and I use this word advisedly) of modern anchors is that their exposed tips will dig into the bottom no matter how they are oriented when they initially touch. Once dug in, it is important to maintain constant pressure on the anchor to keep it from releasing. It's like keeping a fish on the line. 22 feet of chain is likely to be heavier than any anchor I want to use. When the current and wind slacken, or cancel each other out, my boat will be lying at chain rather than lying at anchor. All the upward pressure from my boat at the surface will be released from the tips of my anchor, causing it to lose its grip on the bottom. This is the exact opposite of the conditions the anchor was designed for. All of the pictures of catenary curves on small pleasure boats at anchor are absurd. Look at them when you are at anchor. They all pull the rode straight. Putting 22 feet of chain at the bottom of a much longer piece of line will not make the line any stronger. It's not going to break anyhow. The notion that the line might get cut or abraded on the bottom is completely wrong. The line wants to float. It only sinks to the bottom if you put chain on it. If you only attach it to the stem of the anchor, it should never touch bottom at all. Even if everything goes slack top side. It will not pull the anchor out of the bottom, nor will it be damaged by the bottom. I'll play some more, and I urge you to do the same. The all-line rode, combined with a lightweight modern anchor, is totally safe, and highly reliable. Bill Effros William E. Wickman wrote: >Bill, >Thanks for sharing. How deep was the anchorage? What type bottom? Did >you use any chain? > >Bill W. > > > > >|---------+----------------------------------> >| | Bill Effros | >| | | >| | Sent by: | >| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >| | hodes22.org | >| | | >| | | >| | 06/23/2005 08:29 PM | >| | Please respond to The | >| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >| | | >|---------+----------------------------------> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: R22 List | > | cc: | > | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor | > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > >Bill, Peter, > >Well, it turns out all you need is a 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor. > >The only trick to it is an enormous amount of scope. > >I've never seen a boat anchored with the amount of scope I gave myself >today -- probably around 30 to one. I was swinging in a 600 foot arc. >But I didn't drag that anchor. > >I swung through roughly a 110? arc before I got bored, and went back to >sailing. Wind was in the four to seven knot range. > >To set the anchor I furled both sails, locked the grapnel in its open >position, and lowered it overboard while the wind continued to move me >slowly forward. I lowered from the stern, making sure that I paid out >the line faster than I was moving forward, causing the anchor to drop to >the bottom. > >When I had paid out roughly 150 feet of line I cleated it off. Sure >enough, when the line pulled straight, the boat stopped, and, except for >swinging, stayed stopped. > >I then put the remaining 150 feet of line into the water, holding on to >the bitter end. The line floated more or less in place. I wasn't going >anywhere. > >I then uncleated the line in the middle, and re-cleated it at the end. >The boat drifted to the end of the line, and stopped. I stayed anchored >like this for 15 minutes. Then I pulled the boat backwards for easily >150 feet before the anchor pulled free -- and then immediately reset. >As the scope got shorter, the anchor released more frequently, however >it always reset until the scope approached the 1:1 range, at which point >the tines were pointing upward like a flower, and could not possibly set. > >I then pulled it straight up, and placed it, along with the flaked line, >in the Rubbermaid box, and let everything dry in the sun. Both the >anchor and the line were completely clean. I would not hesitate to use >it as a lunch hook in the future. What's more, by stern anchoring, your >bow is facing in the direction you wish to go. Pull the anchor, sail off. > >I'm still going to play with the three and 5 pound anchors, and I'll try >anchoring in higher winds. > >Try it, you'll like it. Anchoring becomes so simple, and effortless you >won't think twice about doing it. I suspect that's got to make boat >operation safer. I have long believed that multiple anchors are the way >to go, and will start playing with multiple anchors deployed in >different directions. > >Please play along. By the end of this summer we should all know how to >anchor our boats so they won't move until we are ready. Heavier anchors >with longer tines will allow shorter scopes. > >Bill Effros >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bgreenwald at optonline.net Sat Jun 25 23:27:27 2005 From: bgreenwald at optonline.net (bgreenwald@optonline.net) Date: Sat Jun 25 22:31:13 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit table Message-ID: <815372a814f3a4.814f3a4815372a@optonline.net> Hi all, I finally launched today - embarassingly late as a result of a number of silly holdups, the most recent of which was due due to the lack of an absurdly small foil screw for my harken furler. In any event, while the launch went smoothly, I noticed that at some point the bottom of the insert on the cockpit floor for the table post had disintegrated - a little strange since it is almost never used and the boat is only a few years old - I did have a few inches of ice in the cockpit this winter, however. Since I now have what is under the floor fully exposed - I assume it is flotation - and it is completely open to both rain and "heavy" sailing, I need to address the problem... For the short term, I imagine I can use a cork or plumber's plug but I foolishly neglected to measure the diameter of the cylinder before I left the boat - Does anyone happen to have this spec? In addition, in terms of a more permanent solution, while I am only a very rudimentary do it yourselfe r this is one that I guess I need to try but need advice as to how to go about creating a new, sealed and waterproof bottom for the post hole. Thanks in advance for any suggestions Bruce Greenwald S/V Ruach II From salm at mn.rr.com Sun Jun 26 03:15:47 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Sun Jun 26 03:15:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit table In-Reply-To: <815372a814f3a4.814f3a4815372a@optonline.net> Message-ID: Bruce, Order a new post insert from Stan at General Boats. In the meantime, cover the exposed hole with anything that will keep the rain out. Not a big deal--if it leaks a little, you'll just get some water in the bilge which can be pumped or sponged out. It's odd that your insert should fail. It's galvanized and should last a lifetime. Yours must have been flawed in some way. Slim On 6/25/05 9:27 PM, "bgreenwald@optonline.net" wrote: > Hi all, > > I finally launched today - embarassingly late as a result of a number of silly > holdups, the most recent of which was due due to the lack of an absurdly small > foil screw for my harken furler. In any event, while the launch went > smoothly, I noticed that at some point the bottom of the insert on the cockpit > floor for the table post had disintegrated - a little strange since it is > almost never used and the boat is only a few years old - I did have a few > inches of ice in the cockpit this winter, however. Since I now have what is > under the floor fully exposed - I assume it is flotation - and it is > completely open to both rain and "heavy" sailing, I need to address the > problem... For the short term, I imagine I can use a cork or plumber's plug > but I foolishly neglected to measure the diameter of the cylinder before I > left the boat - Does anyone happen to have this spec? > In addition, in terms of a more permanent solution, while I am only a very > rudimentary do it yourselfe > r this is one that I guess I need to try but need advice as to how to go > about creating a new, sealed and waterproof bottom for the post hole. Thanks > in advance for any suggestions > > Bruce Greenwald > S/V Ruach II > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From pthorn at nc.rr.com Sun Jun 26 08:20:36 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Sun Jun 26 07:18:59 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit table References: <815372a814f3a4.814f3a4815372a@optonline.net> Message-ID: <001c01c57a41$139fa660$660fa8c0@dell330> Bruce, I keep a turkey baster aboard Raven to remove water from the table base socket. Mine is plastic (I don't like to keep glass on board) and resembles a giant eye dropper. Perhaps rainwater accumulated there over the winter and during a cold snap the expanding ice cracked the bottom of the table socket. Maybe taping a plastic plate over the hole would keep it dry over the winter. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit table > Hi all, > > I finally launched today - embarassingly late as a result of a number of silly holdups, the most recent of which was due due to the lack of an absurdly small foil screw for my harken furler. In any event, while the launch went smoothly, I noticed that at some point the bottom of the insert on the cockpit floor for the table post had disintegrated - a little strange since it is almost never used and the boat is only a few years old - I did have a few inches of ice in the cockpit this winter, however. Since I now have what is under the floor fully exposed - I assume it is flotation - and it is completely open to both rain and "heavy" sailing, I need to address the problem... For the short term, I imagine I can use a cork or plumber's plug but I foolishly neglected to measure the diameter of the cylinder before I left the boat - Does anyone happen to have this spec? > In addition, in terms of a more permanent solution, while I am only a very rudimentary do it yourselfe > r this is one that I guess I need to try but need advice as to how to go about creating a new, sealed and waterproof bottom for the post hole. Thanks in advance for any suggestions > > Bruce Greenwald > S/V Ruach II > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Sun Jun 26 09:04:29 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 26 08:04:38 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit table Message-ID: <1f8.c7a2027.2feff3cd@aol.com> The table base is more than likely a cast aluminum product and easily purchased through any marine dealer or RV center. Rummy From bill at effros.com Sun Jun 26 09:48:45 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sun Jun 26 08:49:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit table In-Reply-To: <815372a814f3a4.814f3a4815372a@optonline.net> References: <815372a814f3a4.814f3a4815372a@optonline.net> Message-ID: <42BEA42D.9090300@effros.com> Bruce, There is a part number on that piece, and it is easily replaced. Mine went too. I took an "Absorber" -- a synthetic "chamois" -- cut it in half, coiled it, and put it into the socket. It fits flush, is easily removed when I want to use the table, and wicks all the water out of the hole. It is hard when it is completely dry, but all the edges are below the top of the socket, so it never bothers your foot. It shrinks when dry, so it is easily removable wet or dry. I leave it in there all the time, and it has completely solved my problem without any maintenance on my part. I still have the other half of the Absorber--just in case, but the original half shows no signs of wear, mildew, sun damage, or anything else. If I can find the other half, I'll drop it in your boat. Bill Effros bgreenwald@optonline.net wrote: >Hi all, > >I finally launched today - embarassingly late as a result of a number of silly holdups, the most recent of which was due due to the lack of an absurdly small foil screw for my harken furler. In any event, while the launch went smoothly, I noticed that at some point the bottom of the insert on the cockpit floor for the table post had disintegrated - a little strange since it is almost never used and the boat is only a few years old - I did have a few inches of ice in the cockpit this winter, however. Since I now have what is under the floor fully exposed - I assume it is flotation - and it is completely open to both rain and "heavy" sailing, I need to address the problem... For the short term, I imagine I can use a cork or plumber's plug but I foolishly neglected to measure the diameter of the cylinder before I left the boat - Does anyone happen to have this spec? >In addition, in terms of a more permanent solution, while I am only a very rudimentary do it yourselfe >r this is one that I guess I need to try but need advice as to how to go about creating a new, sealed and waterproof bottom for the post hole. Thanks in advance for any suggestions > >Bruce Greenwald >S/V Ruach II > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From sanderico at earthlink.net Sun Jun 26 09:19:25 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Sun Jun 26 09:19:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Message-ID: <12878191.1119791966060.JavaMail.root@wamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Bill You said "The point (and I use this word advisedly) of modern anchors is that their exposed tips will dig into the bottom no matter how they are oriented when they initially touch. Once dug in, it is important to maintain constant pressure on the anchor to keep it from releasing. It's like keeping a fish on the line." Excuse me Bill, but once your anchor is set in the bottom, it is not going to back out of it's set just because you let the tension off of it. You said "The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that, despite what we repeatedly read, chain undermines the functionality of modern, high-tech, lightweight anchors." "Modern lightweight anchors" an aluminum fortress for instance, sometime need the weight of a chain to help them get to the bottom. Ever tried to set an aluminum fortress from a moving boat? Without a good heavy chain in front of it, chances are it won't make it to the bottom, but rather, will fly along with you in the water. The point of the chain isn't it's strength, it's there for the weight and abrasion resistance. Aparently the anchoring conditions in your area are close to ideal. Good for you. I don't think I'd be spreading this advice around hoping that people that must anchor in less than ideal conditions will take it seriously. Rik -----Or"Bill Effros Sent: Jun 25, 2005 9:06 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Bill, Calling it "an anchorage" gives it a little more credit than it deserves. It was more like open water where if anything went wrong no one would get hurt. According to my charts it was around 20 feet deep, but I didn't know that at the time. I can't really tell you what the bottom looked like, because the anchor came up totally clean. I used no chain, and will probably shortly remove all chain from my rodes, although I'll probably keep 20 feet or so on board for no good reason. The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that, despite what we repeatedly read, chain undermines the functionality of modern, high-tech, lightweight anchors. The point (and I use this word advisedly) of modern anchors is that their exposed tips will dig into the bottom no matter how they are oriented when they initially touch. Once dug in, it is important to maintain constant pressure on the anchor to keep it from releasing. It's like keeping a fish on the line. 22 feet of chain is likely to be heavier than any anchor I want to use. When the current and wind slacken, or cancel each other out, my boat will be lying at chain rather than lying at anchor. All the upward pressure from my boat at the surface will be released from the tips of my anchor, causing it to lose its grip on the bottom. This is the exact opposite of the conditions the anchor was designed for. All of the pictures of catenary curves on small pleasure boats at anchor are absurd. Look at them when you are at anchor. They all pull the rode straight. Putting 22 feet of chain at the bottom of a much longer piece of line will not make the line any stronger. It's not going to break anyhow. The notion that the line might get cut or abraded on the bottom is completely wrong. The line wants to float. It only sinks to the bottom if you put chain on it. If you only attach it to the stem of the anchor, it should never touch bottom at all. Even if everything goes slack top side. It will not pull the anchor out of the bottom, nor will it be damaged by the bottom. I'll play some more, and I urge you to do the same. The all-line rode, combined with a lightweight modern anchor, is totally safe, and highly reliable. Bill Effros William E. Wickman wrote: >Bill, >Thanks for sharing. How deep was the anchorage? What type bottom? Did >you use any chain? > >Bill W. > > > > >|---------+----------------------------------> >| | Bill Effros | >| | | >| | Sent by: | >| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >| | hodes22.org | >| | | >| | | >| | 06/23/2005 08:29 PM | >| | Please respond to The | >| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >| | | >|---------+----------------------------------> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: R22 List | > | cc: | > | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor | > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > >Bill, Peter, > >Well, it turns out all you need is a 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor. > >The only trick to it is an enormous amount of scope. > >I've never seen a boat anchored with the amount of scope I gave myself >today -- probably around 30 to one. I was swinging in a 600 foot arc. >But I didn't drag that anchor. > >I swung through roughly a 110??? arc before I got bored, and went back to >sailing. Wind was in the four to seven knot range. > >To set the anchor I furled both sails, locked the grapnel in its open >position, and lowered it overboard while the wind continued to move me >slowly forward. I lowered from the stern, making sure that I paid out >the line faster than I was moving forward, causing the anchor to drop to >the bottom. > >When I had paid out roughly 150 feet of line I cleated it off. Sure >enough, when the line pulled straight, the boat stopped, and, except for >swinging, stayed stopped. > >I then put the remaining 150 feet of line into the water, holding on to >the bitter end. The line floated more or less in place. I wasn't going >anywhere. > >I then uncleated the line in the middle, and re-cleated it at the end. >The boat drifted to the end of the line, and stopped. I stayed anchored >like this for 15 minutes. Then I pulled the boat backwards for easily >150 feet before the anchor pulled free -- and then immediately reset. >As the scope got shorter, the anchor released more frequently, however >it always reset until the scope approached the 1:1 range, at which point >the tines were pointing upward like a flower, and could not possibly set. > >I then pulled it straight up, and placed it, along with the flaked line, >in the Rubbermaid box, and let everything dry in the sun. Both the >anchor and the line were completely clean. I would not hesitate to use >it as a lunch hook in the future. What's more, by stern anchoring, your >bow is facing in the direction you wish to go. Pull the anchor, sail off. > >I'm still going to play with the three and 5 pound anchors, and I'll try >anchoring in higher winds. > >Try it, you'll like it. Anchoring becomes so simple, and effortless you >won't think twice about doing it. I suspect that's got to make boat >operation safer. I have long believed that multiple anchors are the way >to go, and will start playing with multiple anchors deployed in >different directions. > >Please play along. By the end of this summer we should all know how to >anchor our boats so they won't move until we are ready. Heavier anchors >with longer tines will allow shorter scopes. > >Bill Effros >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From dsbodnar at earthlink.net Sun Jun 26 11:45:22 2005 From: dsbodnar at earthlink.net (Dan Bodnar) Date: Sun Jun 26 10:45:34 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit table In-Reply-To: <815372a814f3a4.814f3a4815372a@optonline.net> Message-ID: Bruce, Bill's "absorber" idea sounds good and I'm going to try it. I've used a large laundry tub/bath tub stopper as a winter cover for the cockpit table socket with a lot of success. The one I found fits tightly and seals snow and water out. A yank on the ring in the spring and it is out. Dan Bodnar SV QOL -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of bgreenwald@optonline.net Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:27 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit table Hi all, I finally launched today - embarassingly late as a result of a number of silly holdups, the most recent of which was due due to the lack of an absurdly small foil screw for my harken furler. In any event, while the launch went smoothly, I noticed that at some point the bottom of the insert on the cockpit floor for the table post had disintegrated - a little strange since it is almost never used and the boat is only a few years old - I did have a few inches of ice in the cockpit this winter, however. Since I now have what is under the floor fully exposed - I assume it is flotation - and it is completely open to both rain and "heavy" sailing, I need to address the problem... For the short term, I imagine I can use a cork or plumber's plug but I foolishly neglected to measure the diameter of the cylinder before I left the boat - Does anyone happen to have this spec? In addition, in terms of a more permanent solution, while I am only a very rudimentary do it yourselfe r this is one that I guess I need to try but need advice as to how to go about creating a new, sealed and waterproof bottom for the post hole. Thanks in advance for any suggestions Bruce Greenwald S/V Ruach II __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Sun Jun 26 11:58:10 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sun Jun 26 10:58:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor In-Reply-To: <12878191.1119791966060.JavaMail.root@wamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12878191.1119791966060.JavaMail.root@wamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42BEC282.8030907@effros.com> Rik, No anchor intended for use on the bottom needs chain to get to the bottom. Most people anchor from the bow. If they were going so fast that their anchor would kite on the surface, they would put holes in their hulls if they tried to use them--and even the drunks don't do that. First you stop the boat. Then you drop the anchor. Then you set it by moving the boat backward. My 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor hits the bottom at the exact same time as whatever you drop overboard--chain or no chain. Physics 101. Anchoring is extremely difficult where I live. We have strong currents that shift 180 degrees every 6 hours, along with strong winds that are always offshore during part of the night, and onshore during part of the night. We have shores on either side of our water that vary from less than a mile apart to more than 20 miles apart. Our bottom is rocky in some places, muddy or sandy in others. We also have muck from early 20th Century sewage dumping, and clay. There is constant silting. There is a lot of vegetation in some places, and none in others. The tidal variation is 7 to 11 feet, depending on the position of the sun, moon and planets. Our prevailing weather is westerly, and the body of water is over 100 miles long east to west so there can be a lot of wind driven water on any given day. The bottom varies from 0 at low tide to more than 100 feet deep. We have a huge amount of serious commercial traffic, at all hours of the day and night--which has the right of way. Most people around here never learn to anchor--they just pick up other people's moorings. However, this much I can tell you without fear of contradiction: no matter what direction you initially set your anchor around here, you will be pulling on it in the opposite direction at some time during the next 8 hours. If there is constant tension on the anchor, it will repeatedly reset itself as you swing around it. But if you you are sitting on heavy chain you can take all the pressure off the anchor while you swing 180 degrees, and then yank that anchor right out of the bottom when the tide or wind picks up in the other direction. What happens next is anyone's guess. It may reset. It may not. These anchors do not truly "drag". The chain drags. The anchors are designed to set and reset if pressure is maintained on them, and they do. Try it. My point is that if you learn to stern anchor you can anchor from a moving boat, chain or no chain. The only trick is to pay out the line faster than your boat is moving. Your anchor will sink to the bottom and properly set Even if it's just a 1 1/2 lb. folding grapnel with no chain. When you have enough scope, set the anchor the same way you set a hook in a fish. The scope is sufficient when the angle of the line is less than 45 degrees. Properly anchored line does not touch the bottom, and does not abrade. It's the chain that drags the line to the bottom thus setting up the conditions making abrasion possible. I know you are repeating what you have read, and that you have read the same misinformation over and over. I have read the same stuff in the same sources, and it took me a fairly long time to notice the Emperor has no clothes on. But it is really simple to test, and doesn't cost very much. West sells folding 1 1/2 lb. grapnels for less than $12. Attach it to some clothes line with a bowline knot. You will be amazed at how well it sets, and just like light fishing tackle, you can really feel the "fish" on the bottom, even though you may not be able to see it. I am not spreading this advice around hoping that anyone will take it seriously. I am merely suggesting that anyone who thinks I am wrong go out with a cheap simple anchor and try it out for themselves. After that, they can draw their own conclusions, and if their experience does not mirror mine I ask that they tell me what happened so that I won't make the same mistake. Bill Effros Rik Sandberg wrote: >Bill > >You said >"The point (and I use this word advisedly) of modern anchors is that >their exposed tips will dig into the bottom no matter how they are >oriented when they initially touch. Once dug in, it is important to >maintain constant pressure on the anchor to keep it from releasing. >It's like keeping a fish on the line." > >Excuse me Bill, but once your anchor is set in the bottom, it is not going to back out of it's set just because you let the tension off of it. > >You said >"The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that, despite >what we repeatedly read, chain undermines the functionality of modern, >high-tech, lightweight anchors." > >"Modern lightweight anchors" an aluminum fortress for instance, sometime need the weight of a chain to help them get to the bottom. Ever tried to set an aluminum fortress from a moving boat? Without a good heavy chain in front of it, chances are it won't make it to the bottom, but rather, will fly along with you in the water. > >The point of the chain isn't it's strength, it's there for the weight and abrasion resistance. Aparently the anchoring conditions in your area are close to ideal. Good for you. I don't think I'd be spreading this advice around hoping that people that must anchor in less than ideal conditions will take it seriously. > >Rik > >-----Or"Bill Effros >Sent: Jun 25, 2005 9:06 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor > >Bill, > >Calling it "an anchorage" gives it a little more credit than it >deserves. It was more like open water where if anything went wrong no >one would get hurt. According to my charts it was around 20 feet deep, >but I didn't know that at the time. > >I can't really tell you what the bottom looked like, because the anchor >came up totally clean. > >I used no chain, and will probably shortly remove all chain from my >rodes, although I'll probably keep 20 feet or so on board for no good >reason. > >The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that, despite >what we repeatedly read, chain undermines the functionality of modern, >high-tech, lightweight anchors. > >The point (and I use this word advisedly) of modern anchors is that >their exposed tips will dig into the bottom no matter how they are >oriented when they initially touch. Once dug in, it is important to >maintain constant pressure on the anchor to keep it from releasing. >It's like keeping a fish on the line. > >22 feet of chain is likely to be heavier than any anchor I want to use. >When the current and wind slacken, or cancel each other out, my boat >will be lying at chain rather than lying at anchor. All the upward >pressure from my boat at the surface will be released from the tips of >my anchor, causing it to lose its grip on the bottom. This is the exact >opposite of the conditions the anchor was designed for. > >All of the pictures of catenary curves on small pleasure boats at anchor >are absurd. Look at them when you are at anchor. They all pull the >rode straight. > >Putting 22 feet of chain at the bottom of a much longer piece of line >will not make the line any stronger. It's not going to break anyhow. > >The notion that the line might get cut or abraded on the bottom is >completely wrong. The line wants to float. It only sinks to the bottom >if you put chain on it. If you only attach it to the stem of the >anchor, it should never touch bottom at all. Even if everything goes >slack top side. It will not pull the anchor out of the bottom, nor will >it be damaged by the bottom. > >I'll play some more, and I urge you to do the same. The all-line rode, >combined with a lightweight modern anchor, is totally safe, and highly >reliable. > >Bill Effros > > > >William E. Wickman wrote: > > > >>Bill, >>Thanks for sharing. How deep was the anchorage? What type bottom? Did >>you use any chain? >> >>Bill W. >> >> >> >> >>|---------+----------------------------------> >>| | Bill Effros | >>| | | >>| | Sent by: | >>| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >>| | hodes22.org | >>| | | >>| | | >>| | 06/23/2005 08:29 PM | >>| | Please respond to The | >>| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >>| | | >>|---------+----------------------------------> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> | | >> | To: R22 List | >> | cc: | >> | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor | >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> >> >> >> >>Bill, Peter, >> >>Well, it turns out all you need is a 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor. >> >>The only trick to it is an enormous amount of scope. >> >>I've never seen a boat anchored with the amount of scope I gave myself >>today -- probably around 30 to one. I was swinging in a 600 foot arc. >>But I didn't drag that anchor. >> >>I swung through roughly a 110??? arc before I got bored, and went back to >>sailing. Wind was in the four to seven knot range. >> >>To set the anchor I furled both sails, locked the grapnel in its open >>position, and lowered it overboard while the wind continued to move me >>slowly forward. I lowered from the stern, making sure that I paid out >>the line faster than I was moving forward, causing the anchor to drop to >>the bottom. >> >>When I had paid out roughly 150 feet of line I cleated it off. Sure >>enough, when the line pulled straight, the boat stopped, and, except for >>swinging, stayed stopped. >> >>I then put the remaining 150 feet of line into the water, holding on to >>the bitter end. The line floated more or less in place. I wasn't going >>anywhere. >> >>I then uncleated the line in the middle, and re-cleated it at the end. >>The boat drifted to the end of the line, and stopped. I stayed anchored >>like this for 15 minutes. Then I pulled the boat backwards for easily >>150 feet before the anchor pulled free -- and then immediately reset. >>As the scope got shorter, the anchor released more frequently, however >>it always reset until the scope approached the 1:1 range, at which point >>the tines were pointing upward like a flower, and could not possibly set. >> >>I then pulled it straight up, and placed it, along with the flaked line, >>in the Rubbermaid box, and let everything dry in the sun. Both the >>anchor and the line were completely clean. I would not hesitate to use >>it as a lunch hook in the future. What's more, by stern anchoring, your >>bow is facing in the direction you wish to go. Pull the anchor, sail off. >> >>I'm still going to play with the three and 5 pound anchors, and I'll try >>anchoring in higher winds. >> >>Try it, you'll like it. Anchoring becomes so simple, and effortless you >>won't think twice about doing it. I suspect that's got to make boat >>operation safer. I have long believed that multiple anchors are the way >>to go, and will start playing with multiple anchors deployed in >>different directions. >> >>Please play along. By the end of this summer we should all know how to >>anchor our boats so they won't move until we are ready. Heavier anchors >>with longer tines will allow shorter scopes. >> >>Bill Effros >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From joscook at msn.com Sun Jun 26 15:05:28 2005 From: joscook at msn.com (J Cook) Date: Sun Jun 26 14:05:34 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kayaks/outboard dinghies? References: <12878191.1119791966060.JavaMail.root@wamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <42BEC282.8030907@effros.com> Message-ID: Has anyone had any recent epiphanies or positive/negative experiences with kayaks or dinghies and the R 22. I've been procrastinating on the decision for a long time and can see certain disadvantages and advantages to each. I remember reading posts on the foldable port-a-boat, too. It seems like kayaks would be a lot of fun, but perhaps not a very dry way to get to the dinghy dock. Joseph From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Sun Jun 26 15:20:13 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Sun Jun 26 14:27:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodie In-Reply-To: <000601c57386$28784630$58157245@browerbrs> Message-ID: Hello Bob and Hilja. Just read your email after being away from the computer for a spell. Congrats on your recycled Rhodes...which only built in 2000 must be almost brand new, before it was recycled... We are in about the same boat as you.. fairly new to Rhodes 22 ownership. We are keeping our 1986 Rhodes 22 on Raritan Bay, Keyport, N.J. I just looked up Great South Bay, and see you are 50 or so miles east of us. That looks like a beautiful area, near Fire Island and Robert Moses State Park. As for now, we are getting acquainted with Raritan Bay, Sandy Hook (hopefully soon, and Great Kills). I would love to venture your way, but have a few learning curves to get past. It is 95 in NJ today, but the breeze is blowing...an evening sail sounds like a good idea...scouts' picnic with pool first... Thanks to the writers of the recent posts on handling the genoa jib...they were useful. To Dennis who is looking for help raising the mast, where do you live? Slim's and Bill's recent postings on steps for mast raising are quite helpful. Phyllis Whisper Keyport, NJ > From: Robert Brower > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:47:24 -0400 > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodie > > Hello, I have been sailing on the South Bay of L.I. NY for the last 30 years > in a light daysailer with no motor. A few weeks ago my wife and I took > possession of a beautiful restored 200l Rhodes 22. We have a slip in East > Patchogue, and for this year plan to sail mainly in the Great South Bay. Are > there other Rhodes 22 owners in the area? Where are your favorite sailing > areas? Bob & Hilja > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From SVTRITON at aol.com Sun Jun 26 19:29:21 2005 From: SVTRITON at aol.com (SVTRITON@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 26 18:29:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rock hall md Message-ID: <42.6bf69c30.2ff08641@aol.com> hi chesapeake rhodies was having lunch on the beach at rock hall on sat...about 1230 and a rhodes with a dark hull came out of swan creek....was that marylou and fred or someone else???? tom From bill at effros.com Sun Jun 26 20:37:05 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sun Jun 26 19:37:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kayaks/outboard dinghies? In-Reply-To: References: <12878191.1119791966060.JavaMail.root@wamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <42BEC282.8030907@effros.com> Message-ID: <42BF3C21.6040402@effros.com> Joseph, I've been using a Walker Bay for years. Not fancy, but inexpensive and gets the job done. Bill Effros J Cook wrote: >Has anyone had any recent epiphanies or positive/negative experiences with kayaks or dinghies and the R 22. > >I've been procrastinating on the decision for a long time and can see certain disadvantages and advantages to each. > >I remember reading posts on the foldable port-a-boat, too. > >It seems like kayaks would be a lot of fun, but perhaps not a very dry way to get to the dinghy dock. > >Joseph >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Sun Jun 26 19:19:21 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Sun Jun 26 21:19:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kayaks/outboard dinghies? In-Reply-To: <42BF3C21.6040402@effros.com> Message-ID: <20050627011921.62885.qmail@web81707.mail.yahoo.com> >Has anyone had any recent epiphanies or positive/negative experiences with kayaks or dinghies and the R 22. > >I've been procrastinating on the decision for a long time and can see certain disadvantages and advantages to each. > >I remember reading posts on the foldable port-a-boat, too. > If you have a bent to, or wish to comission a build, it is very hard to beat the lgiht weight and convenience of stowing a marine plywood built nesting pram such as B&B's Catspaw 2 paw. http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/cpaw.htm the 9 footer will give you all the carrying capacity of a Walker bay 10, and it will only take up 5 feett of length of valuable deck top realestate when nested and stowed on board the Rhodes. Further it only wieighs 75-85 lbs compared to the Walker Bay's 150 lbs. And it will be much easier to row and be a far better sailor than the Walker Bays. Also you could opt for Graham's Spindrift design that is a faster design under row and sail. Absolutely runs circles around the Walker Bay's in sailing and rowing competitions. A pretty fast racing dinghy as far as tender's go. Either boat will typically take 150 man hrs to build and aboiut 5- 600.00 of materials as a row boat alone. Figure on a 3-400 more for sail kit and at least another 75 hrs build time. If you opr for rowing as opposed to a small motor, a hard sided tender is much much oreferred over an inflatable. Inflatable's under oars are very tiring for groound covered. From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Sun Jun 26 19:32:30 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Sun Jun 26 21:32:35 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kayaks/outboard dinghies? In-Reply-To: <20050627011921.62885.qmail@web81707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050627013230.16652.qmail@web81701.mail.yahoo.com> Just in case some mighht be interested, here is the link to the Spindrift line [asge. http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/spin.htm James Wilson wrote: >Has anyone had any recent epiphanies or positive/negative experiences with kayaks or dinghies and the R 22. > >I've been procrastinating on the decision for a long time and can see certain disadvantages and advantages to each. > >I remember reading posts on the foldable port-a-boat, too. > If you have a bent to, or wish to comission a build, it is very hard to beat the lgiht weight and convenience of stowing a marine plywood built nesting pram such as B&B's Catspaw 2 paw. http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/cpaw.htm the 9 footer will give you all the carrying capacity of a Walker bay 10, and it will only take up 5 feett of length of valuable deck top realestate when nested and stowed on board the Rhodes. Further it only wieighs 75-85 lbs compared to the Walker Bay's 150 lbs. And it will be much easier to row and be a far better sailor than the Walker Bays. Also you could opt for Graham's Spindrift design that is a faster design under row and sail. Absolutely runs circles around the Walker Bay's in sailing and rowing competitions. A pretty fast racing dinghy as far as tender's go. Either boat will typically take 150 man hrs to build and aboiut 5- 600.00 of materials as a row boat alone. Figure on a 3-400 more for sail kit and at least another 75 hrs build time. If you opr for rowing as opposed to a small motor, a hard sided tender is much much oreferred over an inflatable. Inflatable's under oars are very tiring for groound covered. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jsail1 at verizon.net Sun Jun 26 22:55:06 2005 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (Jay Friedland) Date: Sun Jun 26 21:55:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trying to contact Jay Friedland In-Reply-To: <062520052116.20241.42BDC9A30004744E00004F1121602807480B0101080A9D0E02A19C0702020A0B@att.net> References: <062520052116.20241.42BDC9A30004744E00004F1121602807480B0101080A9D0E02A19C0702020A0B@att.net> Message-ID: Dennis- I remember the shock of discovery last year. I'm glad you pursued all the replacements. Unfortunately, my work schedule is significantly tighter than last year, but after July 10, it should free up a bit-mostly Thursdays and Fridays. Contact me offline on my cell, 201/803-5665. Although mast-raising is very straightforward and there is a lot of support here on the list for detailed procedures, I hope we can work the schedule out. Jay On Jun 25, 2005, at 5:16 PM, dennis_narehood@att.net wrote: > Jay, > We met last year when you came to the house to help me raise the mast. > Didn't happen because the jib furlinf tube and stay needed to be > replaced. Jib and forestay are fixed and I would like help to get the > mast up. I have a mast host system from Stan. > Thanks > Dennis > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From mltroy at verizon.net Sun Jun 26 23:17:15 2005 From: mltroy at verizon.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Sun Jun 26 22:17:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rock hall md In-Reply-To: <42.6bf69c30.2ff08641@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050626221407.00c4f810@incoming.verizon.net> Tom, Fretless is a white hull. My guess (they can confirm) is that you saw Tim & Terri Toth new Rhodies who keep their recently recycled boat at Haven Harbor on Swan Creek. We were away (from the boat) this weekend - sorry we missed you. Mary Lou 1991 R22 Fretless Swan Creek, MD / Ft. Washington, PA At 06:29 PM 6/26/2005 -0400, you wrote: >hi chesapeake rhodies >was having lunch on the beach at rock hall on sat...about 1230 and a rhodes >with a dark hull came out of swan creek....was that marylou and fred or >someone else???? >tom >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From DvShi at aol.com Mon Jun 27 00:10:42 2005 From: DvShi at aol.com (DvShi@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 26 23:10:59 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Front stay replacement Message-ID: <148.46e9db96.2ff0c832@aol.com> Hi all, Its been awhile since I've written but read most always . My question, my front stay needs replaced. Can anybody give the length and grade or size of the stay . Any Ideas on how to replace it Thank you, Dave From timothy.toth at comcast.net Mon Jun 27 04:29:14 2005 From: timothy.toth at comcast.net (Timothy Toth) Date: Sun Jun 26 23:29:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rock hall md Message-ID: <062720050329.19563.42BF728A00005D8800004C6B2205886172089B019BD297089B0103079B@comcast.net> Mary Lou and Tom, Yes that was us, in our yet to be named '87 Rhodes! Winds kicked up in the afternoon, gave us a great ride back from Tolchester. Hope you all had an enjoyable weekend. Tim -------------- Original message -------------- > Tom, > Fretless is a white hull. My guess (they can confirm) is that you saw Tim & > Terri Toth new Rhodies who keep their recently recycled boat at Haven > Harbor on Swan Creek. We were away (from the boat) this weekend - sorry we > missed you. > > Mary Lou > 1991 R22 Fretless > Swan Creek, MD / Ft. Washington, PA > > > > At 06:29 PM 6/26/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >hi chesapeake rhodies > >was having lunch on the beach at rock hall on sat...about 1230 and a rhodes > >with a dark hull came out of swan creek....was that marylou and fred or > >someone else???? > >tom > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Mon Jun 27 07:58:48 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 27 06:58:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Front stay replacement Message-ID: <1a4.3a523989.2ff135e8@aol.com> Dave, Remove the stay you want to replace and take it to a West Marine store. They will have a replacement made using same materials and cut it to length. There are also other rigging shops out there, depending on where you live. LayLine in NC is also very good. Rummy From SVTRITON at aol.com Mon Jun 27 09:18:52 2005 From: SVTRITON at aol.com (SVTRITON@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 27 08:19:04 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rock hall md Message-ID: <1a8.3a2e5cb5.2ff148ac@aol.com> tim and mary lou sorry marylou..i forgot your hull color...tim hope to meet you sometime this season best tom From SVTRITON at aol.com Mon Jun 27 09:29:40 2005 From: SVTRITON at aol.com (SVTRITON@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 27 08:29:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kayaks/outboard dinghies? Message-ID: <29.75f09b00.2ff14b34@aol.com> hi i started with an achilles 9.6 and found it to be too large for 2 people to row around in an anchorage..add a 6hp motor weighing 50 lbs and the whole thing became impossible for me. this year i went with the west marine 2 person dink which has a 350 lbs capacity and its been great...easy to row and only weighs 25 lbs..about 10 minutes to inflate...i use the old dink and motor to putt putt around the river we are in...jim harrison has a kyak and whenever ive seen him in it he looked dry..maybe he can tell you more about it best tom From sanderico at earthlink.net Mon Jun 27 08:51:47 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Mon Jun 27 08:51:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Message-ID: <9397649.1119876708217.JavaMail.root@wamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Well, Bill ...... I'm not going to argue with you. You do what you want. I will stand by what I said though in the hope that some new sailor doesn't go out and buy a 1 1/2 pound grapnel anchor, for $12 at WM and some clothes line, thinking that will keep him out of trouble with his 3500# boat when the wind pipes up. Best of luck to you. Rik -----Original Message----- From: Bill Effros Sent: Jun 26, 2005 9:58 AM To: Rik Sandberg , The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Rik, No anchor intended for use on the bottom needs chain to get to the bottom. Most people anchor from the bow. If they were going so fast that their anchor would kite on the surface, they would put holes in their hulls if they tried to use them--and even the drunks don't do that. First you stop the boat. Then you drop the anchor. Then you set it by moving the boat backward. My 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor hits the bottom at the exact same time as whatever you drop overboard--chain or no chain. Physics 101. Anchoring is extremely difficult where I live. We have strong currents that shift 180 degrees every 6 hours, along with strong winds that are always offshore during part of the night, and onshore during part of the night. We have shores on either side of our water that vary from less than a mile apart to more than 20 miles apart. Our bottom is rocky in some places, muddy or sandy in others. We also have muck from early 20th Century sewage dumping, and clay. There is constant silting. There is a lot of vegetation in some places, and none in others. The tidal variation is 7 to 11 feet, depending on the position of the sun, moon and planets. Our prevailing weather is westerly, and the body of water is over 100 miles long east to west so there can be a lot of wind driven water on any given day. The bottom varies from 0 at low tide to more than 100 feet deep. We have a huge amount of serious commercial traffic, at all hours of the day and night--which has the right of way. Most people around here never learn to anchor--they just pick up other people's moorings. However, this much I can tell you without fear of contradiction: no matter what direction you initially set your anchor around here, you will be pulling on it in the opposite direction at some time during the next 8 hours. If there is constant tension on the anchor, it will repeatedly reset itself as you swing around it. But if you you are sitting on heavy chain you can take all the pressure off the anchor while you swing 180 degrees, and then yank that anchor right out of the bottom when the tide or wind picks up in the other direction. What happens next is anyone's guess. It may reset. It may not. These anchors do not truly "drag". The chain drags. The anchors are designed to set and reset if pressure is maintained on them, and they do. Try it. My point is that if you learn to stern anchor you can anchor from a moving boat, chain or no chain. The only trick is to pay out the line faster than your boat is moving. Your anchor will sink to the bottom and properly set Even if it's just a 1 1/2 lb. folding grapnel with no chain. When you have enough scope, set the anchor the same way you set a hook in a fish. The scope is sufficient when the angle of the line is less than 45 degrees. Properly anchored line does not touch the bottom, and does not abrade. It's the chain that drags the line to the bottom thus setting up the conditions making abrasion possible. I know you are repeating what you have read, and that you have read the same misinformation over and over. I have read the same stuff in the same sources, and it took me a fairly long time to notice the Emperor has no clothes on. But it is really simple to test, and doesn't cost very much. West sells folding 1 1/2 lb. grapnels for less than $12. Attach it to some clothes line with a bowline knot. You will be amazed at how well it sets, and just like light fishing tackle, you can really feel the "fish" on the bottom, even though you may not be able to see it. I am not spreading this advice around hoping that anyone will take it seriously. I am merely suggesting that anyone who thinks I am wrong go out with a cheap simple anchor and try it out for themselves. After that, they can draw their own conclusions, and if their experience does not mirror mine I ask that they tell me what happened so that I won't make the same mistake. Bill Effros Rik Sandberg wrote: >Bill > >You said >"The point (and I use this word advisedly) of modern anchors is that >their exposed tips will dig into the bottom no matter how they are >oriented when they initially touch. Once dug in, it is important to >maintain constant pressure on the anchor to keep it from releasing. >It's like keeping a fish on the line." > >Excuse me Bill, but once your anchor is set in the bottom, it is not going to back out of it's set just because you let the tension off of it. > >You said >"The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that, despite >what we repeatedly read, chain undermines the functionality of modern, >high-tech, lightweight anchors." > >"Modern lightweight anchors" an aluminum fortress for instance, sometime need the weight of a chain to help them get to the bottom. Ever tried to set an aluminum fortress from a moving boat? Without a good heavy chain in front of it, chances are it won't make it to the bottom, but rather, will fly along with you in the water. > >The point of the chain isn't it's strength, it's there for the weight and abrasion resistance. Aparently the anchoring conditions in your area are close to ideal. Good for you. I don't think I'd be spreading this advice around hoping that people that must anchor in less than ideal conditions will take it seriously. > >Rik > >-----Or"Bill Effros >Sent: Jun 25, 2005 9:06 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor > >Bill, > >Calling it "an anchorage" gives it a little more credit than it >deserves. It was more like open water where if anything went wrong no >one would get hurt. According to my charts it was around 20 feet deep, >but I didn't know that at the time. > >I can't really tell you what the bottom looked like, because the anchor >came up totally clean. > >I used no chain, and will probably shortly remove all chain from my >rodes, although I'll probably keep 20 feet or so on board for no good >reason. > >The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that, despite >what we repeatedly read, chain undermines the functionality of modern, >high-tech, lightweight anchors. > >The point (and I use this word advisedly) of modern anchors is that >their exposed tips will dig into the bottom no matter how they are >oriented when they initially touch. Once dug in, it is important to >maintain constant pressure on the anchor to keep it from releasing. >It's like keeping a fish on the line. > >22 feet of chain is likely to be heavier than any anchor I want to use. >When the current and wind slacken, or cancel each other out, my boat >will be lying at chain rather than lying at anchor. All the upward >pressure from my boat at the surface will be released from the tips of >my anchor, causing it to lose its grip on the bottom. This is the exact >opposite of the conditions the anchor was designed for. > >All of the pictures of catenary curves on small pleasure boats at anchor >are absurd. Look at them when you are at anchor. They all pull the >rode straight. > >Putting 22 feet of chain at the bottom of a much longer piece of line >will not make the line any stronger. It's not going to break anyhow. > >The notion that the line might get cut or abraded on the bottom is >completely wrong. The line wants to float. It only sinks to the bottom >if you put chain on it. If you only attach it to the stem of the >anchor, it should never touch bottom at all. Even if everything goes >slack top side. It will not pull the anchor out of the bottom, nor will >it be damaged by the bottom. > >I'll play some more, and I urge you to do the same. The all-line rode, >combined with a lightweight modern anchor, is totally safe, and highly >reliable. > >Bill Effros > > > >William E. Wickman wrote: > > > >>Bill, >>Thanks for sharing. How deep was the anchorage? What type bottom? Did >>you use any chain? >> >>Bill W. >> >> >> >> >>|---------+----------------------------------> >>| | Bill Effros | >>| | | >>| | Sent by: | >>| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >>| | hodes22.org | >>| | | >>| | | >>| | 06/23/2005 08:29 PM | >>| | Please respond to The | >>| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >>| | | >>|---------+----------------------------------> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> | | >> | To: R22 List | >> | cc: | >> | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor | >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> >> >> >> >>Bill, Peter, >> >>Well, it turns out all you need is a 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor. >> >>The only trick to it is an enormous amount of scope. >> >>I've never seen a boat anchored with the amount of scope I gave myself >>today -- probably around 30 to one. I was swinging in a 600 foot arc. >>But I didn't drag that anchor. >> >>I swung through roughly a 110??? arc before I got bored, and went back to >>sailing. Wind was in the four to seven knot range. >> >>To set the anchor I furled both sails, locked the grapnel in its open >>position, and lowered it overboard while the wind continued to move me >>slowly forward. I lowered from the stern, making sure that I paid out >>the line faster than I was moving forward, causing the anchor to drop to >>the bottom. >> >>When I had paid out roughly 150 feet of line I cleated it off. Sure >>enough, when the line pulled straight, the boat stopped, and, except for >>swinging, stayed stopped. >> >>I then put the remaining 150 feet of line into the water, holding on to >>the bitter end. The line floated more or less in place. I wasn't going >>anywhere. >> >>I then uncleated the line in the middle, and re-cleated it at the end. >>The boat drifted to the end of the line, and stopped. I stayed anchored >>like this for 15 minutes. Then I pulled the boat backwards for easily >>150 feet before the anchor pulled free -- and then immediately reset. >>As the scope got shorter, the anchor released more frequently, however >>it always reset until the scope approached the 1:1 range, at which point >>the tines were pointing upward like a flower, and could not possibly set. >> >>I then pulled it straight up, and placed it, along with the flaked line, >>in the Rubbermaid box, and let everything dry in the sun. Both the >>anchor and the line were completely clean. I would not hesitate to use >>it as a lunch hook in the future. What's more, by stern anchoring, your >>bow is facing in the direction you wish to go. Pull the anchor, sail off. >> >>I'm still going to play with the three and 5 pound anchors, and I'll try >>anchoring in higher winds. >> >>Try it, you'll like it. Anchoring becomes so simple, and effortless you >>won't think twice about doing it. I suspect that's got to make boat >>operation safer. I have long believed that multiple anchors are the way >>to go, and will start playing with multiple anchors deployed in >>different directions. >> >>Please play along. By the end of this summer we should all know how to >>anchor our boats so they won't move until we are ready. Heavier anchors >>with longer tines will allow shorter scopes. >> >>Bill Effros >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From sailnut at worldnet.att.net Mon Jun 27 10:27:11 2005 From: sailnut at worldnet.att.net (Richard Smith) Date: Mon Jun 27 09:31:59 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kayaks/outboard dinghies? References: <29.75f09b00.2ff14b34@aol.com> Message-ID: <001b01c57b1b$ee0d2720$a08c4b0c@evereadyinsurance.com> If you are seeking a tender for your Rhodes a kayak is NOT the way to go. A run of the mill roto-molded kayak will weigh more then 60 lbs, be difficult to store on deck, have limited cargo capacity and be almost impossible to enter from your Rhodes. As a tender I recommend a hypalon, hard transom, slat floored dingy no more then more then 8 feet long. This will weigh about 45/50 lbs, can be stored deflated in the lazerette and can be towed while under way. Such dinghy's are difficult to row and can be powered by a 2 hp motor which when not in use can be easily removed and mounted on the stern rail. I presently own a 15 foot Kevlar blue water kayak that weighs 45 lbs. Kayaking brings a different prospective to boating. They do not replace the experience of sailing. Richard Smith From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Jun 27 11:16:16 2005 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Rob Lowe) Date: Mon Jun 27 10:17:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor References: <12878191.1119791966060.JavaMail.root@wamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <42BEC282.8030907@effros.com> Message-ID: <00d601c57b22$c85efce0$58ac52c6@ehss.vt.edu> Bill, I think I'm ready to try your methods after the hassle I had anchoring this past weekend. We were out and wanted to take a quick dip so we found a little cove off to the side of the lake. All I have is the fluke type anchor that came with the boat and hangs off the bow. Well, it's a pain to deploy just to get to it, off it's mount, and into the water. The wind was such that we were being blown into shore so that when it was time to leave I had my wife prepare to motor as I pulled up the anchor. As soon as it lifted off the bottom we started drifting so I had her put the motor in gear. Well, now I'm stuck trying to pull up a heavy anchor (much more than I needed at the time) while it's sailing under water. We finally got far enough off shore so we could stop and pull the anchor back on board and afterwards I was worn out. Then to have to crawl into the V-berth to stow the rode back into it's bucket. I like the idea of a 1 1/2 pounder tied to the stern and stowed in the laz. Where we sail is a lake with no currents and not much wind. I'll keep the big anchor for if and when I'd ever need it, but something just to hold the boat while we get wet sounds like a nice idea. Rob Lowe S/V Getaway ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" To: "Rik Sandberg" ; "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor > Rik, > > > First you stop the boat. Then you drop the anchor. Then you set it by > moving the boat backward. My 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor hits > the bottom at the exact same time as whatever you drop overboard--chain > or no chain. Physics 101. > >> > But it is really simple to test, and doesn't cost very much. West sells > folding 1 1/2 lb. grapnels for less than $12. Attach it to some clothes > line with a bowline knot. You will be amazed at how well it sets, and > just like light fishing tackle, you can really feel the "fish" on the > bottom, even though you may not be able to see it. > > I am not spreading this advice around hoping that anyone will take it > seriously. I am merely suggesting that anyone who thinks I am wrong go > out with a cheap simple anchor and try it out for themselves. After > that, they can draw their own conclusions, and if their experience does > not mirror mine I ask that they tell me what happened so that I won't > make the same mistake. > > Bill Effros > From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Jun 27 11:20:20 2005 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Rob Lowe) Date: Mon Jun 27 10:21:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor References: <9397649.1119876708217.JavaMail.root@wamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00f601c57b23$59c9b3f0$58ac52c6@ehss.vt.edu> Rik, And I see your point, too. But it seems that different conditions allow for different anchors. Having more than one on board and choosing the right one(s) seems like a good idea. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Sandberg" To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Well, Bill ...... I'm not going to argue with you. You do what you want. I will stand by what I said though in the hope that some new sailor doesn't go out and buy a 1 1/2 pound grapnel anchor, for $12 at WM and some clothes line, thinking that will keep him out of trouble with his 3500# boat when the wind pipes up. Best of luck to you. Rik -----Original Message----- From: Bill Effros Sent: Jun 26, 2005 9:58 AM To: Rik Sandberg , The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Rik, No anchor intended for use on the bottom needs chain to get to the bottom. Most people anchor from the bow. If they were going so fast that their anchor would kite on the surface, they would put holes in their hulls if they tried to use them--and even the drunks don't do that. First you stop the boat. Then you drop the anchor. Then you set it by moving the boat backward. My 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor hits the bottom at the exact same time as whatever you drop overboard--chain or no chain. Physics 101. Anchoring is extremely difficult where I live. We have strong currents that shift 180 degrees every 6 hours, along with strong winds that are always offshore during part of the night, and onshore during part of the night. We have shores on either side of our water that vary from less than a mile apart to more than 20 miles apart. Our bottom is rocky in some places, muddy or sandy in others. We also have muck from early 20th Century sewage dumping, and clay. There is constant silting. There is a lot of vegetation in some places, and none in others. The tidal variation is 7 to 11 feet, depending on the position of the sun, moon and planets. Our prevailing weather is westerly, and the body of water is over 100 miles long east to west so there can be a lot of wind driven water on any given day. The bottom varies from 0 at low tide to more than 100 feet deep. We have a huge amount of serious commercial traffic, at all hours of the day and night--which has the right of way. Most people around here never learn to anchor--they just pick up other people's moorings. However, this much I can tell you without fear of contradiction: no matter what direction you initially set your anchor around here, you will be pulling on it in the opposite direction at some time during the next 8 hours. If there is constant tension on the anchor, it will repeatedly reset itself as you swing around it. But if you you are sitting on heavy chain you can take all the pressure off the anchor while you swing 180 degrees, and then yank that anchor right out of the bottom when the tide or wind picks up in the other direction. What happens next is anyone's guess. It may reset. It may not. These anchors do not truly "drag". The chain drags. The anchors are designed to set and reset if pressure is maintained on them, and they do. Try it. My point is that if you learn to stern anchor you can anchor from a moving boat, chain or no chain. The only trick is to pay out the line faster than your boat is moving. Your anchor will sink to the bottom and properly set Even if it's just a 1 1/2 lb. folding grapnel with no chain. When you have enough scope, set the anchor the same way you set a hook in a fish. The scope is sufficient when the angle of the line is less than 45 degrees. Properly anchored line does not touch the bottom, and does not abrade. It's the chain that drags the line to the bottom thus setting up the conditions making abrasion possible. I know you are repeating what you have read, and that you have read the same misinformation over and over. I have read the same stuff in the same sources, and it took me a fairly long time to notice the Emperor has no clothes on. But it is really simple to test, and doesn't cost very much. West sells folding 1 1/2 lb. grapnels for less than $12. Attach it to some clothes line with a bowline knot. You will be amazed at how well it sets, and just like light fishing tackle, you can really feel the "fish" on the bottom, even though you may not be able to see it. I am not spreading this advice around hoping that anyone will take it seriously. I am merely suggesting that anyone who thinks I am wrong go out with a cheap simple anchor and try it out for themselves. After that, they can draw their own conclusions, and if their experience does not mirror mine I ask that they tell me what happened so that I won't make the same mistake. Bill Effros Rik Sandberg wrote: >Bill > >You said >"The point (and I use this word advisedly) of modern anchors is that >their exposed tips will dig into the bottom no matter how they are >oriented when they initially touch. Once dug in, it is important to >maintain constant pressure on the anchor to keep it from releasing. >It's like keeping a fish on the line." > >Excuse me Bill, but once your anchor is set in the bottom, it is not going to back out of it's set just because you let the tension off of it. > >You said >"The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that, despite >what we repeatedly read, chain undermines the functionality of modern, >high-tech, lightweight anchors." > >"Modern lightweight anchors" an aluminum fortress for instance, sometime need the weight of a chain to help them get to the bottom. Ever tried to set an aluminum fortress from a moving boat? Without a good heavy chain in front of it, chances are it won't make it to the bottom, but rather, will fly along with you in the water. > >The point of the chain isn't it's strength, it's there for the weight and abrasion resistance. Aparently the anchoring conditions in your area are close to ideal. Good for you. I don't think I'd be spreading this advice around hoping that people that must anchor in less than ideal conditions will take it seriously. > >Rik > >-----Or"Bill Effros >Sent: Jun 25, 2005 9:06 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor > >Bill, > >Calling it "an anchorage" gives it a little more credit than it >deserves. It was more like open water where if anything went wrong no >one would get hurt. According to my charts it was around 20 feet deep, >but I didn't know that at the time. > >I can't really tell you what the bottom looked like, because the anchor >came up totally clean. > >I used no chain, and will probably shortly remove all chain from my >rodes, although I'll probably keep 20 feet or so on board for no good >reason. > >The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that, despite >what we repeatedly read, chain undermines the functionality of modern, >high-tech, lightweight anchors. > >The point (and I use this word advisedly) of modern anchors is that >their exposed tips will dig into the bottom no matter how they are >oriented when they initially touch. Once dug in, it is important to >maintain constant pressure on the anchor to keep it from releasing. >It's like keeping a fish on the line. > >22 feet of chain is likely to be heavier than any anchor I want to use. >When the current and wind slacken, or cancel each other out, my boat >will be lying at chain rather than lying at anchor. All the upward >pressure from my boat at the surface will be released from the tips of >my anchor, causing it to lose its grip on the bottom. This is the exact >opposite of the conditions the anchor was designed for. > >All of the pictures of catenary curves on small pleasure boats at anchor >are absurd. Look at them when you are at anchor. They all pull the >rode straight. > >Putting 22 feet of chain at the bottom of a much longer piece of line >will not make the line any stronger. It's not going to break anyhow. > >The notion that the line might get cut or abraded on the bottom is >completely wrong. The line wants to float. It only sinks to the bottom >if you put chain on it. If you only attach it to the stem of the >anchor, it should never touch bottom at all. Even if everything goes >slack top side. It will not pull the anchor out of the bottom, nor will >it be damaged by the bottom. > >I'll play some more, and I urge you to do the same. The all-line rode, >combined with a lightweight modern anchor, is totally safe, and highly >reliable. > >Bill Effros > > > >William E. Wickman wrote: > > > >>Bill, >>Thanks for sharing. How deep was the anchorage? What type bottom? Did >>you use any chain? >> >>Bill W. >> >> >> >> >>|---------+----------------------------------> >>| | Bill Effros | >>| | | >>| | Sent by: | >>| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >>| | hodes22.org | >>| | | >>| | | >>| | 06/23/2005 08:29 PM | >>| | Please respond to The | >>| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >>| | | >>|---------+----------------------------------> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| >> | | >> | To: R22 List | >> | cc: | >> | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor | >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| >> >> >> >> >>Bill, Peter, >> >>Well, it turns out all you need is a 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor. >> >>The only trick to it is an enormous amount of scope. >> >>I've never seen a boat anchored with the amount of scope I gave myself >>today -- probably around 30 to one. I was swinging in a 600 foot arc. >>But I didn't drag that anchor. >> >>I swung through roughly a 110??? arc before I got bored, and went back to >>sailing. Wind was in the four to seven knot range. >> >>To set the anchor I furled both sails, locked the grapnel in its open >>position, and lowered it overboard while the wind continued to move me >>slowly forward. I lowered from the stern, making sure that I paid out >>the line faster than I was moving forward, causing the anchor to drop to >>the bottom. >> >>When I had paid out roughly 150 feet of line I cleated it off. Sure >>enough, when the line pulled straight, the boat stopped, and, except for >>swinging, stayed stopped. >> >>I then put the remaining 150 feet of line into the water, holding on to >>the bitter end. The line floated more or less in place. I wasn't going >>anywhere. >> >>I then uncleated the line in the middle, and re-cleated it at the end. >>The boat drifted to the end of the line, and stopped. I stayed anchored >>like this for 15 minutes. Then I pulled the boat backwards for easily >>150 feet before the anchor pulled free -- and then immediately reset. >>As the scope got shorter, the anchor released more frequently, however >>it always reset until the scope approached the 1:1 range, at which point >>the tines were pointing upward like a flower, and could not possibly set. >> >>I then pulled it straight up, and placed it, along with the flaked line, >>in the Rubbermaid box, and let everything dry in the sun. Both the >>anchor and the line were completely clean. I would not hesitate to use >>it as a lunch hook in the future. What's more, by stern anchoring, your >>bow is facing in the direction you wish to go. Pull the anchor, sail off. >> >>I'm still going to play with the three and 5 pound anchors, and I'll try >>anchoring in higher winds. >> >>Try it, you'll like it. Anchoring becomes so simple, and effortless you >>won't think twice about doing it. I suspect that's got to make boat >>operation safer. I have long believed that multiple anchors are the way >>to go, and will start playing with multiple anchors deployed in >>different directions. >> >>Please play along. By the end of this summer we should all know how to >>anchor our boats so they won't move until we are ready. Heavier anchors >>with longer tines will allow shorter scopes. >> >>Bill Effros >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Mon Jun 27 11:26:08 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 27 10:26:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Message-ID: <1a7.3a31a747.2ff16680@aol.com> Rob, Eliminate the storage of the anchor rode in the v-berth and the process is manageable. I keep 150' of line in a small plastic container that looks like a small laundry basket. The sides have holes so the line has a chance to dry out between uses. I leave the 6 feet of chain attached to the anchor and use a large quick connect to attach the line. The anchor chain is draped over the anchor and I've never lost an anchor, even when we had her all the way over. Rummy From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Jun 27 11:32:38 2005 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Rob Lowe) Date: Mon Jun 27 10:34:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor References: <1a7.3a31a747.2ff16680@aol.com> Message-ID: <010a01c57b25$11960d20$58ac52c6@ehss.vt.edu> Rummy, I like that suggestion, too. Yeah, I can't imagine the anchor coming loose from it's bracket. Hard enough to get off when I wanted to. thanks Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor > Rob, > Eliminate the storage of the anchor rode in the v-berth and the process is > manageable. I keep 150' of line in a small plastic container that looks like a > small laundry basket. The sides have holes so the line has a chance to dry > out between uses. I leave the 6 feet of chain attached to the anchor and use a > large quick connect to attach the line. The anchor chain is draped over the > anchor and I've never lost an anchor, even when we had her all the way over. > > Rummy > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mkaynor at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 12:08:33 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Mon Jun 27 11:08:45 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor In-Reply-To: <00f601c57b23$59c9b3f0$58ac52c6@ehss.vt.edu> Message-ID: <42c01678.58de1167.2fed.6fd6@mx.gmail.com> Rob, Julie and I anchored Raven many times on the same lake, probably in the same places, since there are only a few "best spots". The big issue w/ anchoring in CL is that there are very few places you can drop a hook with enough scope to feel secure in a blow and still have room to swing. Bill's method would be right out of the question except in a very few exposed areas. We ended up using the "Mary Lou" method - we bought a mesh anchor bag from West Marine and stowed the anchor and rode in it in the lazarette. We had 6-8' of chain and used between 3 to 1 and 5 to 1 scope, depending on where we were and what was going on weather-wise. And I haven't met any cruisers so far who don't have either an all chain rode or at least 50' of chain on a rope rode. Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rob Lowe Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:20 AM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Rik, And I see your point, too. But it seems that different conditions allow for different anchors. Having more than one on board and choosing the right one(s) seems like a good idea. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Sandberg" To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Well, Bill ...... I'm not going to argue with you. You do what you want. I will stand by what I said though in the hope that some new sailor doesn't go out and buy a 1 1/2 pound grapnel anchor, for $12 at WM and some clothes line, thinking that will keep him out of trouble with his 3500# boat when the wind pipes up. Best of luck to you. Rik -----Original Message----- From: Bill Effros Sent: Jun 26, 2005 9:58 AM To: Rik Sandberg , The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Rik, No anchor intended for use on the bottom needs chain to get to the bottom. Most people anchor from the bow. If they were going so fast that their anchor would kite on the surface, they would put holes in their hulls if they tried to use them--and even the drunks don't do that. First you stop the boat. Then you drop the anchor. Then you set it by moving the boat backward. My 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor hits the bottom at the exact same time as whatever you drop overboard--chain or no chain. Physics 101. Anchoring is extremely difficult where I live. We have strong currents that shift 180 degrees every 6 hours, along with strong winds that are always offshore during part of the night, and onshore during part of the night. We have shores on either side of our water that vary from less than a mile apart to more than 20 miles apart. Our bottom is rocky in some places, muddy or sandy in others. We also have muck from early 20th Century sewage dumping, and clay. There is constant silting. There is a lot of vegetation in some places, and none in others. The tidal variation is 7 to 11 feet, depending on the position of the sun, moon and planets. Our prevailing weather is westerly, and the body of water is over 100 miles long east to west so there can be a lot of wind driven water on any given day. The bottom varies from 0 at low tide to more than 100 feet deep. We have a huge amount of serious commercial traffic, at all hours of the day and night--which has the right of way. Most people around here never learn to anchor--they just pick up other people's moorings. However, this much I can tell you without fear of contradiction: no matter what direction you initially set your anchor around here, you will be pulling on it in the opposite direction at some time during the next 8 hours. If there is constant tension on the anchor, it will repeatedly reset itself as you swing around it. But if you you are sitting on heavy chain you can take all the pressure off the anchor while you swing 180 degrees, and then yank that anchor right out of the bottom when the tide or wind picks up in the other direction. What happens next is anyone's guess. It may reset. It may not. These anchors do not truly "drag". The chain drags. The anchors are designed to set and reset if pressure is maintained on them, and they do. Try it. My point is that if you learn to stern anchor you can anchor from a moving boat, chain or no chain. The only trick is to pay out the line faster than your boat is moving. Your anchor will sink to the bottom and properly set Even if it's just a 1 1/2 lb. folding grapnel with no chain. When you have enough scope, set the anchor the same way you set a hook in a fish. The scope is sufficient when the angle of the line is less than 45 degrees. Properly anchored line does not touch the bottom, and does not abrade. It's the chain that drags the line to the bottom thus setting up the conditions making abrasion possible. I know you are repeating what you have read, and that you have read the same misinformation over and over. I have read the same stuff in the same sources, and it took me a fairly long time to notice the Emperor has no clothes on. But it is really simple to test, and doesn't cost very much. West sells folding 1 1/2 lb. grapnels for less than $12. Attach it to some clothes line with a bowline knot. You will be amazed at how well it sets, and just like light fishing tackle, you can really feel the "fish" on the bottom, even though you may not be able to see it. I am not spreading this advice around hoping that anyone will take it seriously. I am merely suggesting that anyone who thinks I am wrong go out with a cheap simple anchor and try it out for themselves. After that, they can draw their own conclusions, and if their experience does not mirror mine I ask that they tell me what happened so that I won't make the same mistake. Bill Effros Rik Sandberg wrote: >Bill > >You said >"The point (and I use this word advisedly) of modern anchors is that >their exposed tips will dig into the bottom no matter how they are >oriented when they initially touch. Once dug in, it is important to >maintain constant pressure on the anchor to keep it from releasing. >It's like keeping a fish on the line." > >Excuse me Bill, but once your anchor is set in the bottom, it is not going to back out of it's set just because you let the tension off of it. > >You said >"The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that, despite >what we repeatedly read, chain undermines the functionality of modern, >high-tech, lightweight anchors." > >"Modern lightweight anchors" an aluminum fortress for instance, sometime need the weight of a chain to help them get to the bottom. Ever tried to set an aluminum fortress from a moving boat? Without a good heavy chain in front of it, chances are it won't make it to the bottom, but rather, will fly along with you in the water. > >The point of the chain isn't it's strength, it's there for the weight and abrasion resistance. Aparently the anchoring conditions in your area are close to ideal. Good for you. I don't think I'd be spreading this advice around hoping that people that must anchor in less than ideal conditions will take it seriously. > >Rik > >-----Or"Bill Effros >Sent: Jun 25, 2005 9:06 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor > >Bill, > >Calling it "an anchorage" gives it a little more credit than it >deserves. It was more like open water where if anything went wrong no >one would get hurt. According to my charts it was around 20 feet deep, >but I didn't know that at the time. > >I can't really tell you what the bottom looked like, because the anchor >came up totally clean. > >I used no chain, and will probably shortly remove all chain from my >rodes, although I'll probably keep 20 feet or so on board for no good >reason. > >The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that, despite >what we repeatedly read, chain undermines the functionality of modern, >high-tech, lightweight anchors. > >The point (and I use this word advisedly) of modern anchors is that >their exposed tips will dig into the bottom no matter how they are >oriented when they initially touch. Once dug in, it is important to >maintain constant pressure on the anchor to keep it from releasing. >It's like keeping a fish on the line. > >22 feet of chain is likely to be heavier than any anchor I want to use. >When the current and wind slacken, or cancel each other out, my boat >will be lying at chain rather than lying at anchor. All the upward >pressure from my boat at the surface will be released from the tips of >my anchor, causing it to lose its grip on the bottom. This is the exact >opposite of the conditions the anchor was designed for. > >All of the pictures of catenary curves on small pleasure boats at anchor >are absurd. Look at them when you are at anchor. They all pull the >rode straight. > >Putting 22 feet of chain at the bottom of a much longer piece of line >will not make the line any stronger. It's not going to break anyhow. > >The notion that the line might get cut or abraded on the bottom is >completely wrong. The line wants to float. It only sinks to the bottom >if you put chain on it. If you only attach it to the stem of the >anchor, it should never touch bottom at all. Even if everything goes >slack top side. It will not pull the anchor out of the bottom, nor will >it be damaged by the bottom. > >I'll play some more, and I urge you to do the same. The all-line rode, >combined with a lightweight modern anchor, is totally safe, and highly >reliable. > >Bill Effros > > > >William E. Wickman wrote: > > > >>Bill, >>Thanks for sharing. How deep was the anchorage? What type bottom? Did >>you use any chain? >> >>Bill W. >> >> >> >> >>|---------+----------------------------------> >>| | Bill Effros | >>| | | >>| | Sent by: | >>| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >>| | hodes22.org | >>| | | >>| | | >>| | 06/23/2005 08:29 PM | >>| | Please respond to The | >>| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >>| | | >>|---------+----------------------------------> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| >> | | >> | To: R22 List | >> | cc: | >> | Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor | >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------| >> >> >> >> >>Bill, Peter, >> >>Well, it turns out all you need is a 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor. >> >>The only trick to it is an enormous amount of scope. >> >>I've never seen a boat anchored with the amount of scope I gave myself >>today -- probably around 30 to one. I was swinging in a 600 foot arc. >>But I didn't drag that anchor. >> >>I swung through roughly a 110??? arc before I got bored, and went back to >>sailing. Wind was in the four to seven knot range. >> >>To set the anchor I furled both sails, locked the grapnel in its open >>position, and lowered it overboard while the wind continued to move me >>slowly forward. I lowered from the stern, making sure that I paid out >>the line faster than I was moving forward, causing the anchor to drop to >>the bottom. >> >>When I had paid out roughly 150 feet of line I cleated it off. Sure >>enough, when the line pulled straight, the boat stopped, and, except for >>swinging, stayed stopped. >> >>I then put the remaining 150 feet of line into the water, holding on to >>the bitter end. The line floated more or less in place. I wasn't going >>anywhere. >> >>I then uncleated the line in the middle, and re-cleated it at the end. >>The boat drifted to the end of the line, and stopped. I stayed anchored >>like this for 15 minutes. Then I pulled the boat backwards for easily >>150 feet before the anchor pulled free -- and then immediately reset. >>As the scope got shorter, the anchor released more frequently, however >>it always reset until the scope approached the 1:1 range, at which point >>the tines were pointing upward like a flower, and could not possibly set. >> >>I then pulled it straight up, and placed it, along with the flaked line, >>in the Rubbermaid box, and let everything dry in the sun. Both the >>anchor and the line were completely clean. I would not hesitate to use >>it as a lunch hook in the future. What's more, by stern anchoring, your >>bow is facing in the direction you wish to go. Pull the anchor, sail off. >> >>I'm still going to play with the three and 5 pound anchors, and I'll try >>anchoring in higher winds. >> >>Try it, you'll like it. Anchoring becomes so simple, and effortless you >>won't think twice about doing it. I suspect that's got to make boat >>operation safer. I have long believed that multiple anchors are the way >>to go, and will start playing with multiple anchors deployed in >>different directions. >> >>Please play along. By the end of this summer we should all know how to >>anchor our boats so they won't move until we are ready. Heavier anchors >>with longer tines will allow shorter scopes. >> >>Bill Effros >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From robert at squirrelhaven.com Mon Jun 27 21:06:34 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Mon Jun 27 20:06:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor References: <42BE0DA2.70902@effros.com> Message-ID: <42C0948A.A1F64E4E@squirrelhaven.com> Bill Effros wrote: > ... The all-line rode, > combined with a lightweight modern > anchor, is totally safe, and highly > reliable. ------------------------------------- Bill, I have been following your discussion of anchors and the practice of anchoring with great interest. You have developed some ideas that I will be trying out in clement conditions. But, there's a sort of "When in Rome..." aspect to anchoring. Were I sailing along side you in your home waters, I'd ask you what you were using to anchor, and generally follow your advice. But here in Maine, in my waters, I'll use some chain for overnight mooring, as the bottom is unpredictable, tending toward sharp ledge. Even with the best trip lines, retrieval rings, etc., we occasionally lose an anchor to a cleft in a ledge. I'd sooner have something with a lot of abrasion/cut resistance on the first few feet of rode. This is a matter of personal preference, no doubt, but with a strong deference to local practices. It's hard to discount 400 years of downeast experience. I am looking forward to your continued and enlightening commentary. -- Robert Skinner 9 Gateway Commons, Gorham, Maine 04038-1331 From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 27 21:36:58 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Mon Jun 27 20:40:17 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor References: <42BE0DA2.70902@effros.com> <42C0948A.A1F64E4E@squirrelhaven.com> Message-ID: <001301c57b79$ed5ea7f0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> I'm sure that there are more folks out there with more experience than I, but I must say that the experts (e.g., Chapman Piloting, Annapolis Book of Seamanship, American Sailing Association, US Sailing, Practical Sailor, etc. to name a few) would tell you that a "light" anchor on an all rope rode is really not the way to go. For lunch or a quick stop you can get away with a lot as long as you are alert and paying attention, but for overnight in tidal waters or areas where the winds shift and a storm may brew (I think that includes most waters) you need a lot more. There is literally tons of information out there to guide you in your choice of anchor and rode. Bob on the "NoKaOi" > Bill Effros wrote: >> ... The all-line rode, >> combined with a lightweight modern >> anchor, is totally safe, and highly >> reliable. > ------------------------------------- > From alexbell at lpmonline.net Mon Jun 27 22:40:39 2005 From: alexbell at lpmonline.net (Alex Bell) Date: Mon Jun 27 21:40:56 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor In-Reply-To: <001301c57b79$ed5ea7f0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> References: <42BE0DA2.70902@effros.com> <42C0948A.A1F64E4E@squirrelhaven.com> <001301c57b79$ed5ea7f0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <42C0AA97.4090009@lpmonline.net> Bob, I agree with your comments. Best to be a prudent sailor and err on the side of caution. I for one would not want to see someone come in to an anchorage that I've taken the trouble to drop the hook in and watch them throw out a light anchor and minimal rode. A boater must be responsible for his/her boat and ensure that they don't drag down on someone. It's happened to me one night. The captain was fast asleep as the wind picked up and his boat was heading for us. I think there seems to be a "minimialist attitude" sweeping the Rhodes list that encourages less than the best of what can be used. I'm for overkill, be it anchors, rodes, dock lines etc. BTW, there's an article in the latest Cruising world/Sailing/Seaworthy (forgot which) that deals with mooring lines and relative strength. One area of concern is continued use of nylon lines after they become stiff, etc. Seem they're more liable to break at that point. The article was aimed at hurricane prep the failures that occur during storms. Seaworthy has a really good article on USCG and the lifeboat service. For those who thought I was an alarmist regarding Okacroke Inlet and Cape Hattaras area, you should read this article. It tells how the Coast Guard coxswains are rated at 3 levels with the lowest being able to handle a boat in 30 mph winds, the next level over 30 mph and the top level at any kind of weather. They're needed to handle boats in rescue missions where boaters most often get into trouble. Hattaras and Okacroke are among the top couple of areas in the country. The article tells why seas are so confused and dangerous, with the Gulf Stream colliding into the Labador currents going south. This creates the shoaling and the problems navigating the area. BTW, a Nor'easter seems to be a hurrince without the tropical heat and lacks a name. Good thing cause our insurance includes a higher deductable for "named storms" Alex Bell Robert Quinn wrote: > I'm sure that there are more folks out there with more experience than > I, but I must say that the experts (e.g., Chapman Piloting, Annapolis > Book of Seamanship, American Sailing Association, US Sailing, > Practical Sailor, etc. to name a few) would tell you that a "light" > anchor on an all rope rode is really not the way to go. For lunch or > a quick stop you can get away with a lot as long as you are alert and > paying attention, but for overnight in tidal waters or areas where the > winds shift and a storm may brew (I think that includes most waters) > you need a lot more. There is literally tons of information out there > to guide you in your choice of anchor and rode. > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > >> Bill Effros wrote: >> >>> ... The all-line rode, >>> combined with a lightweight modern >>> anchor, is totally safe, and highly >>> reliable. >> >> ------------------------------------- >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > From julie at circle7.net Mon Jun 27 23:08:57 2005 From: julie at circle7.net (Julie Thorndycraft) Date: Mon Jun 27 23:09:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor References: <42BE0DA2.70902@effros.com> <42C0948A.A1F64E4E@squirrelhaven.com><001301c57b79$ed5ea7f0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <42C0AA97.4090009@lpmonline.net> Message-ID: <000601c57b8e$b9c89530$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> A big thank you to those who are supporting the 'more is better' methodology of anchoring. Using a light anchor for a lunch hook is perfectly acceptable. Giving our fellow readers the impression that using the same is acceptable for an overnight or unattended anchorage is not. Safety is the issue here and trying to reset an anchor in 30+ knot winds at 3am during a thunderstorm does not meet the safety requirement. Chain will help keep the anchor set as seas and winds increase. When it comes to anchoring, more is better (providing your scope is not so extensive that you swing into your neighbor). As Blue Loon heads to the North Channel in a couple of weeks, we will have three anchors - a Delta, the Rhodes issue Danforth, and a small Danforth used as a 'lunch hook' and with the dinghy. We carry chain and rode to allow for deployment of two anchors, if necessary. If needed, we'll use the rode of one to tie off to shore in a med-mooring fashion. We carry alot of extra gear on our boat, but if I need space the anchors will not be removed. I plan on sleeping without the anchor drag alarm going off on my GPS. Julie s/v Blue Loon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Bell" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor > > Bob, > > I agree with your comments. Best to be a prudent sailor and err on the > side of caution. I for one would not want to see someone come in to an > anchorage that I've taken the trouble to drop the hook in and watch them > throw out a light anchor and minimal rode. A boater must be responsible > for his/her boat and ensure that they don't drag down on someone. It's > happened to me one night. The captain was fast asleep as the wind picked > up and his boat was heading for us. > > I think there seems to be a "minimialist attitude" sweeping the Rhodes > list that encourages less than the best of what can be used. I'm for > overkill, be it anchors, rodes, dock lines etc. BTW, there's an article in > the latest Cruising world/Sailing/Seaworthy (forgot which) that deals with > mooring lines and relative strength. One area of concern is continued use > of nylon lines after they become stiff, etc. Seem they're more liable to > break at that point. The article was aimed at hurricane prep the failures > that occur during storms. > > Seaworthy has a really good article on USCG and the lifeboat service. For > those who thought I was an alarmist regarding Okacroke Inlet and Cape > Hattaras area, you should read this article. It tells how the Coast Guard > coxswains are rated at 3 levels with the lowest being able to handle a > boat in 30 mph winds, the next level over 30 mph and the top level at any > kind of weather. They're needed to handle boats in rescue missions where > boaters most often get into trouble. Hattaras and Okacroke are among the > top couple of areas in the country. The article tells why seas are so > confused and dangerous, with the Gulf Stream colliding into the Labador > currents going south. This creates the shoaling and the problems > navigating the area. BTW, a Nor'easter seems to be a hurrince without the > tropical heat and lacks a name. Good thing cause our insurance includes a > higher deductable for "named storms" > > Alex Bell > > Robert Quinn wrote: > >> I'm sure that there are more folks out there with more experience than I, >> but I must say that the experts (e.g., Chapman Piloting, Annapolis Book >> of Seamanship, American Sailing Association, US Sailing, Practical >> Sailor, etc. to name a few) would tell you that a "light" anchor on an >> all rope rode is really not the way to go. For lunch or a quick stop you >> can get away with a lot as long as you are alert and paying attention, >> but for overnight in tidal waters or areas where the winds shift and a >> storm may brew (I think that includes most waters) you need a lot more. >> There is literally tons of information out there to guide you in your >> choice of anchor and rode. >> >> Bob on the "NoKaOi" >> >>> Bill Effros wrote: >>> >>>> ... The all-line rode, >>>> combined with a lightweight modern >>>> anchor, is totally safe, and highly >>>> reliable. >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From alexbell at lpmonline.net Tue Jun 28 00:59:50 2005 From: alexbell at lpmonline.net (Alex Bell) Date: Tue Jun 28 00:00:03 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] More is better anchoring. In-Reply-To: <000601c57b8e$b9c89530$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> References: <42BE0DA2.70902@effros.com> <42C0948A.A1F64E4E@squirrelhaven.com><001301c57b79$ed5ea7f0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <42C0AA97.4090009@lpmonline.net> <000601c57b8e$b9c89530$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> Message-ID: <42C0CB36.1040501@lpmonline.net> Julie, The Delta anchor should be just about all you'll need in most places. It's a plow that's a better design than the highly touted CQR which I managed to drag around for 45 minutes before I got it set the last time I used it ( on Kizmet). We have a Delta on Blewdaze carried in the lazerette in a bag with chain and rode. Never had to use it, but Blewdaze doesn't get much ancoring in.It's our "storm anchor" for her. We've used the danfroth type anchor hanging on the bow pulpit in moderate conditions and rockey bottoms on Navajo Lake. Never anchored around here in NC. Kizmet carries the CQR and a Bruce anchors. I use the Bruce for that boat since our bottoms are mostly muck and the Bruce sets easily. Wish I could trade the CBQ for a Delta. I've never tied off to shore and anchored except for a lunch/swimming stop. Dealing with two anchors deployed and the risk of fouling your rode has kept me from trying that. Our biggest concern here is going aground in the much, so I want an anchor keeping me away from the shore. BTW, three anchors is more than mild overkill. I like that. Guess we could say we've got that third anchor in the dinghy, but it's a small mushroom good for an inflatable if you throw it ashore and bury it with sand. Sure wouldn't do much for the other boats. I think anchors need flukes of some sort to do any good. I had a folding grapnel kind of thing that I used for my Newport 17 once.... I used it to pull myself away from the dock area at Cowan Lake in Wilmington, Ohio. Anyone wants it, its there. Seems I threw it out to pull the boat one too many times, forgot to tie off the rode and I watched it sail out there with the rode trailing. That was years ago. I can laugh now. Alex Bell Julie Thorndycraft wrote: > A big thank you to those who are supporting the 'more is better' > methodology of anchoring. Using a light anchor for a lunch hook is > perfectly acceptable. Giving our fellow readers the impression that > using the same is acceptable for an overnight or unattended anchorage > is not. Safety is the issue here and trying to reset an anchor in 30+ > knot winds at 3am during a thunderstorm does not meet the safety > requirement. Chain will help keep the anchor set as seas and winds > increase. When it comes to anchoring, more is better (providing your > scope is not so extensive that you swing into your neighbor). > > As Blue Loon heads to the North Channel in a couple of weeks, we will > have three anchors - a Delta, the Rhodes issue Danforth, and a small > Danforth used as a 'lunch hook' and with the dinghy. We carry chain > and rode to allow for deployment of two anchors, if necessary. If > needed, we'll use the rode of one to tie off to shore in a med-mooring > fashion. > > We carry alot of extra gear on our boat, but if I need space the > anchors will not be removed. I plan on sleeping without the anchor > drag alarm going off on my GPS. > > Julie > s/v Blue Loon > > From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Tue Jun 28 10:33:43 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Tue Jun 28 09:33:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah we all know about those Catholic girls....also they don't use red right returning on the ICW. Thanks for having the anchor discussion while I was gone! LOL. Wally - Knoxville TN >From: "anima13" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:00:09 -0500 > >Rummy, >A red can is called a NUN...no catholic girl can forget that! >It is NOT to be referred to as a "can".... >Anne > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of >R22RumRunner@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:44 AM >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning > > >Bill, >Funny you should mention red markers. I went out for a sail last night and >ran over a red can. I never saw the damn thing. I haven't a clue how it >happened. > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Tue Jun 28 10:38:05 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Tue Jun 28 09:38:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors In-Reply-To: <42B9A6BD.90707@effros.com> Message-ID: It wasn't me who used the milk jug. I was hammered for using no chain in my local waters. Wally >From: Bill Effros >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:58:21 -0400 > >Bill, > >Nobody is the expert. These are things we each try, and report back to >each other what works. Your experience with the Fortress validates my >experiences in less extreme situations, and I am grateful for your input. > >This list went through a period of recommending bigger and bigger >multi-hundred dollar anchors that nobody ever used because they would not >fit on the boat and could not be disassembled. > >Wally (I think it was) almost got hooted off the list when he said he used >a milk jug full of sand (or something like that) with an empty milk jug as >a buoy on the other end to mark his place and staked out good moorings >early in the day, sailed all day, then returned to his spot and picked up >his line. What did he have to lose? 2 empty milk jugs? > >That seemed a much better solution to me! It worked. People don't steal >milk jugs full of sand. If you use this idea only to reserve a good >anchoring spot early in the day it's a good idea. > >And so it goes. > >People who say mushroom anchors don't have holding power don't know what >they are talking about. My boat is permanently anchored on a 300 lb. >mushroom anchor, as are all the other boats in the harbor. 2:1 scope at a >maximum. 32 foot maximum length. As noted in the hurricane discussion, >there are hundreds of boats and they never drag into each other, even >during hurricanes. > >Last weekend I saw a big power boat grab my neighbor's mooring when the >tide was roughly 4 feet above low tide. He could barely get the eye of the >mooring line around his cleat. His scope was 1:1. After lunch he couldn't >remove the line from his cleat. It was pulling his bow into the water with >a force in excess of 300 pounds. He could have cut it, but he wasn't >likely to do so with me watching. He waited for low tide, and maybe he >learned something. (Probably not.) > >A jug of sand is all you need for a lunch hook most of the time. A vinyl >covered mushroom anchor will do just fine if you want to get fancy. A >shaped anchor with hooks or plows can be lighter than a jug of sand, >provided you know how to set it properly. The same is true of shaped >mushroom anchors. > >Multiple anchors are better than counting on a single anchor resetting. > >Where I live you will always get a 180 degree current shift while you are >asleep. > >This summer's project is devoted to finding out how little anchor you >really need. I already know you don't need chain--again, I think it was >Wally who first made this observation, and again to much derision. He was >the guy who actually anchored all the time. Everyone else was reading >magazines all winter. It should come as no surprise that he was right. >Try it. > >When you are just playing, as I will be this summer, you can throw >anything into the water and see what works. If you drift, there is no harm >done, and you take care of it. But if you don't drift, and you greatly >simplify every aspect of anchoring, you will be much more likely to anchor >more often, and to know you are safely anchoring every time. > >Bill Effros > > > > > > >William E. Wickman wrote: > >>Bill E., >>Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've got >>two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on my >>last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its >>performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so >>please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever >>used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they >>don't >>have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a >>lunch >>hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you recommend? >> >>Bill W. >> >> >> >> >>|---------+----------------------------------> >>| | Bill Effros | >>| | | >>| | Sent by: | >>| | rhodes22-list-bounces@r| >>| | hodes22.org | >>| | | >>| | | >>| | 06/22/2005 07:47 AM | >>| | Please respond to The | >>| | Rhodes 22 mail list | >>| | | >>|---------+----------------------------------> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> | >> | >> | To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> | >> | cc: >> | >> | Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors >> | >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| >> >> >> >> >>Slim, >> >>Rummy doesn't know me. >> >>Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in >>the Laz.) >> >>I can get to the ones under the seat fastest. >> >>I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port >>seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on >>this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts, >>inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of >>different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm >>experimenting this summer. >> >>I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute. >>The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew >>to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot. >> >>The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot >>escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never >>escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the >>Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no >>exposed anchor tines. >> >>I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor >>from the stern most of the time because I am lazy. >> >>Bill Effros >> >> >>R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>Slimmy, >>>I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that >>>sucker >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat. I >>> >>> >>keep >> >> >>>a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few other >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette. >>>I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes >>> >>> >>out >> >> >>>by accident. >>>I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the knots >>> >>> >>in >> >> >>>the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise. >>>You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the >>> >>> >>heat >> >> >>>pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two >>> >>> >>days >> >> >>>before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's >>>repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to >>> >>> >>tough it out >> >> >>>and drink more cooling liquids. >>> >>>Rummy >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Tue Jun 28 11:07:52 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Tue Jun 28 10:08:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor In-Reply-To: <00d601c57b22$c85efce0$58ac52c6@ehss.vt.edu> References: <12878191.1119791966060.JavaMail.root@wamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <42BEC282.8030907@effros.com> <00d601c57b22$c85efce0$58ac52c6@ehss.vt.edu> Message-ID: <42C159B8.1050009@effros.com> Rob, It sure is nice to see passion about something other than politics! I had not expected to enter this discussion before next winter, when I planned to be writing more and sailing less. I have not yet tested most of the anchoring theories that interest me. Stan believes the R-22 should be bow-heavy for best sailing results. I have always thought that is why the heavy, vinyl-clad anchor is sitting on the bow rail. Mine isn't even attached to rode. I never use it. It's a lousy anchor. The vinyl cladding dulls the points on the flukes, making the anchor difficult to set. I don't think the anchor works much better than a cinder block of the same weight. (On the other hand, a cinder block wouldn't look as good.) As you may remember, I mentioned six or eight months ago that I had more than a half-dozen anchors on board, and planned to test them out this summer. The first one I tested was the 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel, and it worked much better than I ever thought it would. It will work just fine as a lunch hook, and you will never hesitate to use it. I plan to test the 3 lb. next to see if doubling the weight of the anchor and increasing the distance between the flukes changes either the ability to set and reset, or the reluctance to drop an anchor because of the perceived difficulty of retrieval. I can strongly recommend stern anchoring as a technique that will keep both you and your boat safe. It looks a little goofy, but it works. If you are in an anchorage where everyone else is bow anchored, you may want to walk your anchor line up to your bow cleat for appearance' sake. When it comes time to raise the anchor, do it from the stern, again. Walk the line back. Raise the anchor 5 feet or so off the bottom, and immediately start moving the boat slowly forward, either under motor or sail. Once the boat is again firmly under your control, raise the anchor the rest of the way. The key here is that you don't drift while wrestling with an unnecessarily heavy anchor. I stow the anchor and rode in a Rubbermaid container under the port seat in the cockpit, where I can get to it, and deploy it, literally in seconds. Please note, if you have never used a folding grapnel before, the locking ring that protects you from the tines while the anchor is folded, must be slid down the shaft of the anchor and locked in the lower position while anchoring. This keeps the tines properly splayed, and is essential for effective anchoring. Bill Effros Rob Lowe wrote: >Bill, >I think I'm ready to try your methods after the hassle I had anchoring this >past weekend. We were out and wanted to take a quick dip so we found a >little cove off to the side of the lake. All I have is the fluke type >anchor that came with the boat and hangs off the bow. Well, it's a pain to >deploy just to get to it, off it's mount, and into the water. The wind was >such that we were being blown into shore so that when it was time to leave I >had my wife prepare to motor as I pulled up the anchor. As soon as it >lifted off the bottom we started drifting so I had her put the motor in >gear. Well, now I'm stuck trying to pull up a heavy anchor (much more than >I needed at the time) while it's sailing under water. We finally got far >enough off shore so we could stop and pull the anchor back on board and >afterwards I was worn out. Then to have to crawl into the V-berth to stow >the rode back into it's bucket. I like the idea of a 1 1/2 pounder tied to >the stern and stowed in the laz. Where we sail is a lake with no currents >and not much wind. I'll keep the big anchor for if and when I'd ever need >it, but something just to hold the boat while we get wet sounds like a nice >idea. > >Rob Lowe >S/V Getaway > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Effros" >To: "Rik Sandberg" ; "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > >Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:58 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor > > > > >>Rik, >> >> >>First you stop the boat. Then you drop the anchor. Then you set it by >>moving the boat backward. My 1 1/2 pound folding grapnel anchor hits >>the bottom at the exact same time as whatever you drop overboard--chain >>or no chain. Physics 101. >> >> >> >>But it is really simple to test, and doesn't cost very much. West sells >>folding 1 1/2 lb. grapnels for less than $12. Attach it to some clothes >>line with a bowline knot. You will be amazed at how well it sets, and >>just like light fishing tackle, you can really feel the "fish" on the >>bottom, even though you may not be able to see it. >> >>I am not spreading this advice around hoping that anyone will take it >>seriously. I am merely suggesting that anyone who thinks I am wrong go >>out with a cheap simple anchor and try it out for themselves. After >>that, they can draw their own conclusions, and if their experience does >>not mirror mine I ask that they tell me what happened so that I won't >>make the same mistake. >> >>Bill Effros >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From R22RumRunner at aol.com Tue Jun 28 13:02:57 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 28 12:03:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Message-ID: <156.53c1cd0d.2ff2ceb1@aol.com> Julie, Concerning extra gear on the boat. After you have had the boat a few seasons, go back through everything you have put on her. If you haven't used something in the past year, the odds are that you didn't need it in the first place.......get rid of it. I go through RumRunner every fall and remove accumulated stuff. You wouldn't believe the crap I've found. Of course, the reserve rum supply always remains on board. Rummy From ekroposki at charter.net Tue Jun 28 13:32:55 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Tue Jun 28 12:33:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? Message-ID: <000001c57bff$0a31cd00$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> I thought you went on a sailing voyage? Since you are just posting routine emails, I guess no trip? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -------------- next part -------------- Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 1168 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/28/attachment.gif From joscook at msn.com Tue Jun 28 13:49:40 2005 From: joscook at msn.com (J Cook) Date: Tue Jun 28 12:50:10 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kayaks/outboard dinghies? References: <29.75f09b00.2ff14b34@aol.com> <001b01c57b1b$ee0d2720$a08c4b0c@evereadyinsurance.com> Message-ID: I like the idea of being able to store the dinghy in the lazarette. Since I already own an extra 10 hp engine, which I use on a 16 foot gheenoe, I was hoping to be able to avoid having to but another engine. But maybe a dinghy that would handle the 10 would be too big to store. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Smith To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Kayaks/outboard dinghies? If you are seeking a tender for your Rhodes a kayak is NOT the way to go. A run of the mill roto-molded kayak will weigh more then 60 lbs, be difficult to store on deck, have limited cargo capacity and be almost impossible to enter from your Rhodes. As a tender I recommend a hypalon, hard transom, slat floored dingy no more then more then 8 feet long. This will weigh about 45/50 lbs, can be stored deflated in the lazerette and can be towed while under way. Such dinghy's are difficult to row and can be powered by a 2 hp motor which when not in use can be easily removed and mounted on the stern rail. I presently own a 15 foot Kevlar blue water kayak that weighs 45 lbs. Kayaking brings a different prospective to boating. They do not replace the experience of sailing. Richard Smith __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Tue Jun 28 14:11:08 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Tue Jun 28 13:11:12 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? Yes! In-Reply-To: <000001c57bff$0a31cd00$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Ed, I will post pics and details once I catch up. Due to some mechanical issues and constant N and NE winds we did not reach our ultimate goal of Norfolk VA. We did have a great trip from Cocoa FL up to Wrightsville Beach NC. We spent 3 nights in the gulf stream, three on the hook at various spots on the ICW, and 3 nights at marinas. No one got seasick although we did hit some rough weather out in the stream. We left last Saturday night from Cocoa FL with favorable breeze for a day and a half. The first night on the ocean was nice. The second we had a single reef and furled genny later changing to a double reef. The boat was under control but it was a rough ride. Winds were steady 18 - 25 and waves starting stacking up with max size at about 10 feet. After sailing for 48 hours we came in at Jacksonville and motored to Amelia Island on the ICW. We were tired and spent the third night at Amelia Island. From there we cruised up the ICW past Cumberland Island and spent 2 nights at Jekyll Island waiting on pump to be overnighted. We then motored sailed out north side of Jekyll and hit the gulf stream. We had some great wind and spent the night sailing with winds out of the East but it again changed to NE. We had furled genny and double reef hitting 10 knots in gulf stream but it was a wild ride. We sailed back in aiming for Charlseton SC and came up short. Gave up on Charleston and came in just south at Edisto Island, Followed the Edisto River into the ICW for a night on the hook. We motored up ICW through Charleston Harbor to Georgetown SC. We then entered the nastiest part of the ICW; Myrtle Beach. We sailed back out at LIttle River Inlet and came in Willmington Harbor and then north on the ICW to Wrytsville Beach NC. Jenny and I rented a car and got home last night late. I will post a little better report and pics shortly. Wally >From: "ed kroposki" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:32:55 -0400 > > I thought you went on a sailing voyage? Since you are just posting >routine emails, I guess no trip? > > > >Ed K > >Greenville, SC, USA > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From budconnor at earthlink.net Tue Jun 28 19:24:53 2005 From: budconnor at earthlink.net (Bud) Date: Tue Jun 28 18:23:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? Yes! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42C1CE35.9060100@earthlink.net> Wally, did you see any other Rhodes 22 in the Cocoa, FL area? I live in Melbourne and I have not seen any Rhodes yet on the Florida East Coast. Thanks! Bud Connor Wally Buck wrote: > Ed, > > I will post pics and details once I catch up. Due to some mechanical > issues and constant N and NE winds we did not reach our ultimate goal > of Norfolk VA. We did have a great trip from Cocoa FL up to > Wrightsville Beach NC. We spent 3 nights in the gulf stream, three on > the hook at various spots on the ICW, and 3 nights at marinas. No one > got seasick although we did hit some rough weather out in the stream. > > We left last Saturday night from Cocoa FL with favorable breeze for a > day and a half. The first night on the ocean was nice. The second we > had a single reef and furled genny later changing to a double reef. > The boat was under control but it was a rough ride. Winds were steady > 18 - 25 and waves starting stacking up with max size at about 10 feet. > After sailing for 48 hours we came in at Jacksonville and motored to > Amelia Island on the ICW. We were tired and spent the third night at > Amelia Island. From there we cruised up the ICW past Cumberland > Island and spent 2 nights at Jekyll Island waiting on pump to be > overnighted. > > We then motored sailed out north side of Jekyll and hit the gulf > stream. We had some great wind and spent the night sailing with winds > out of the East but it again changed to NE. We had furled genny and > double reef hitting 10 knots in gulf stream but it was a wild ride. > We sailed back in aiming for Charlseton SC and came up short. Gave up > on Charleston and came in just south at Edisto Island, Followed the > Edisto River into the ICW for a night on the hook. > > We motored up ICW through Charleston Harbor to Georgetown SC. We then > entered the nastiest part of the ICW; Myrtle Beach. We sailed back out > at LIttle River Inlet and came in Willmington Harbor and then north on > the ICW to Wrytsville Beach NC. Jenny and I rented a car and got home > last night late. I will post a little better report and pics shortly. > > Wally > >> From: "ed kroposki" >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? >> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:32:55 -0400 >> >> I thought you went on a sailing voyage? Since you are just posting >> routine emails, I guess no trip? >> >> >> >> Ed K >> >> Greenville, SC, USA >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Tue Jun 28 16:29:12 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Tue Jun 28 18:34:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor References: <12878191.1119791966060.JavaMail.root@wamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <42BEC282.8030907@effros.com><00d601c57b22$c85efce0$58ac52c6@ehss.vt.edu> <42C159B8.1050009@effros.com> Message-ID: <001f01c57c33$1c66c280$af639c04@raysdesktop> From: "Bill Effros" wrote; > > It sure is nice to see passion about something other than politics! Here, here! I heartilly agree. From: "Bill Effros" wrote; .....> I can strongly recommend stern anchoring as a technique that will keep > both you and your boat safe. It looks a little goofy, but it works. If > you are in an anchorage where everyone else is bow anchored, you may > want to walk your anchor line up to your bow cleat for appearance' sake. Another reason to walk the line to the bow is to keep the bow presented to the wind and waves. It is much better configured to handle it then the stern. Large waves on the stern present far more shock loads at it will not shed the water nearly as easily as the bow. And i yopu get some big wqaves the cockpit can become filled with water with stern to. From mike.okeeffe at WIMADI.ang.af.mil Tue Jun 28 08:56:06 2005 From: mike.okeeffe at WIMADI.ang.af.mil (Okeeffe Mike CIV 115FW/CES) Date: Tue Jun 28 19:18:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coastal North Carolina Message-ID: <200506281256.j5SCuAYq022599@phantom2.region4.ang.af.mil> I am a former Rhodes owner looking to get a 2nd home/condo in the coastal NC area. I plan an autumn visit to Oriental-New Bern-Edenton. I'd like to hear from any Rhodies in that area as to where to look, what's good/bad, etc. My main interest is sailing in the seasons when we cannot here in WI. Thanks, ~Mike mike.okeeffe@wimadi.ang.af.mil Michael O'Keeffe 115th Fighter Wing, Truax Field Bldg. 1210, 3110 Mitchell St., Madison WI 53704-2591 mike.okeeffe@wimadi.ang.af.mil Tel Commercial: 608-245-4515 FAX: 608-245-4429 Tel DSN: 724-8515 FAX DSN: 724-8429 From canport at comcast.net Fri Jun 24 03:41:41 2005 From: canport at comcast.net (canport@comcast.net) Date: Tue Jun 28 19:18:56 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailor's own invention to make varnishing aboard hassle-free Message-ID: <062420050241.21442.42BB72D5000A081E000053C222007610649B9D019F020E0C@comcast.net> My name is Nel Osterwald. I do the brightwork aboard our Endeavour. After years of worry over spilling the varnish... I've invented the CAN-PORT. Now, I varnish with ease! I found your email address online in sailing asssociations. Please forgive me the boldness of my unsolicited letter (it can't be spam if it's about boating!) I am hopeful that you will help me reach other owners of classic boats with the beauty of wood. Please open the attached page to see the CAN-PORT - and, if you think it's worthy, forward the page to other sailors. Word of mouth is our best advertising, and the sailing community really looks out for each other. I thank you! True as the wind, Nel First Mate and "inventor" "Amaranth" , Endeavour 33 1983 Port of Holland, Lake Michigan PS We're cruising to the North Channel and Georgian Bay in July/August! Do you wish to be on our email list? -------------- next part -------------- Name: not available Type: application/pdf Size: 577026 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/28/attachment.pdf From ekroposki at charter.net Tue Jun 28 20:36:11 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Tue Jun 28 19:36:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bud, look here In-Reply-To: <42C1CE35.9060100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c57c3a$2dd79e20$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Bud, Start with understanding that Rhodes 22's are not the most prolific species. Add to that, as Lou pointed out that they mingle with big money yachts. You have to look where they are. Come up to South Carolina. Rummy claims there are six on Lake Hartwell. I can only count five. We have old Rhodes Continental, several in the 80's and a couple of new boats. We have a very good range. And, then we have Rummy. He puts the boat to its limits. You have to ride with him on a windy day. One ride with him and you will understand the term 'heel'. You can look in southern Florida for years. Just count all the private docks. Most owners are not on this list. They just quietly sail away. You want to see a Rhodes 22, then make an appointment with Rummy. Just do not plan to drive afterward, and all he will ask of you is a bottle of Mt. Gay Rum. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: "No more expensive way of going really slowly has been invented by man than sailing." Gary Mull -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bud Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:25 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? Yes! Wally, did you see any other Rhodes 22 in the Cocoa, FL area? I live in Melbourne and I have not seen any Rhodes yet on the Florida East Coast. Thanks! Bud Connor From budconnor at earthlink.net Tue Jun 28 21:36:46 2005 From: budconnor at earthlink.net (Bud) Date: Tue Jun 28 20:35:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Bud, look here In-Reply-To: <000001c57c3a$2dd79e20$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> References: <000001c57c3a$2dd79e20$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <42C1ED1E.8030704@earthlink.net> Ed , thanks for the info... you are right, Rhodes 22's are hard to find. Last weekend I drove over Tampa Bay and sailed with Bob and Sandy Fuller on their Rhodes 22. We got in a good 4-5 hours of sailing. This was my first time to see and to sail on a Rhodes. It was a lot of fun. I got the feel of the boat pretty quickly, as it was smooth and predictable. If I don't find a Rhodes over here, then I will head back to Tampa and visit Bob and Sandy for another outing. I would love to sail with Rummy and learn the limits of a good boat - and probably learn a little bit of my own limits. -Bud ed kroposki wrote: >Bud, > Start with understanding that Rhodes 22's are not the most prolific >species. Add to that, as Lou pointed out that they mingle with big money >yachts. You have to look where they are. Come up to South Carolina. Rummy >claims there are six on Lake Hartwell. I can only count five. We have old >Rhodes Continental, several in the 80's and a couple of new boats. We have >a very good range. And, then we have Rummy. He puts the boat to its >limits. You have to ride with him on a windy day. One ride with him and >you will understand the term 'heel'. > You can look in southern Florida for years. Just count all the >private docks. Most owners are not on this list. They just quietly sail >away. > You want to see a Rhodes 22, then make an appointment with Rummy. >Just do not plan to drive afterward, and all he will ask of you is a bottle >of Mt. Gay Rum. > >Ed K >Greenville, SC, USA >Addendum: "No more expensive way of going really slowly has been invented >by man than sailing." Gary Mull > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bud >Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:25 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? Yes! > >Wally, > did you see any other Rhodes 22 in the Cocoa, FL area? I live in >Melbourne and I have not seen any Rhodes yet >on the Florida East Coast. > >Thanks! >Bud Connor > > > > > > > From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 28 21:38:50 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Tue Jun 28 20:38:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? Yes! References: Message-ID: <007201c57c42$eb35bb20$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Wally: What boat made this passage? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? Yes! > Ed, > > I will post pics and details once I catch up. Due to some mechanical > issues and constant N and NE winds we did not reach our ultimate goal of > Norfolk VA. We did have a great trip from Cocoa FL up to Wrightsville > Beach NC. We spent 3 nights in the gulf stream, three on the hook at > various spots on the ICW, and 3 nights at marinas. No one got seasick > although we did hit some rough weather out in the stream. > > We left last Saturday night from Cocoa FL with favorable breeze for a day > and a half. The first night on the ocean was nice. The second we had a > single reef and furled genny later changing to a double reef. The boat was > under control but it was a rough ride. Winds were steady 18 - 25 and waves > starting stacking up with max size at about 10 feet. After sailing for 48 > hours we came in at Jacksonville and motored to Amelia Island on the ICW. > We were tired and spent the third night at Amelia Island. From there we > cruised up the ICW past Cumberland Island and spent 2 nights at Jekyll > Island waiting on pump to be overnighted. > > We then motored sailed out north side of Jekyll and hit the gulf stream. > We had some great wind and spent the night sailing with winds out of the > East but it again changed to NE. We had furled genny and double reef > hitting 10 knots in gulf stream but it was a wild ride. We sailed back in > aiming for Charlseton SC and came up short. Gave up on Charleston and came > in just south at Edisto Island, Followed the Edisto River into the ICW for > a night on the hook. > > We motored up ICW through Charleston Harbor to Georgetown SC. We then > entered the nastiest part of the ICW; Myrtle Beach. We sailed back out at > LIttle River Inlet and came in Willmington Harbor and then north on the > ICW to Wrytsville Beach NC. Jenny and I rented a car and got home last > night late. I will post a little better report and pics shortly. > > Wally > >>From: "ed kroposki" >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? >>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:32:55 -0400 >> >> I thought you went on a sailing voyage? Since you are just posting >>routine emails, I guess no trip? >> >> >> >>Ed K >> >>Greenville, SC, USA >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From re.miller at att.net Tue Jun 28 21:45:44 2005 From: re.miller at att.net (Russell Miller) Date: Tue Jun 28 20:45:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coastal North Carolina References: <200506281256.j5SCuAYq022599@phantom2.region4.ang.af.mil> Message-ID: <002a01c57c43$e7fbd060$2f01a8c0@rmiller> All of theabove meet your expecttions but you need to further define your wants/needs. UIe. Edenton is a wonderful "old south" town but does it meet your expectstions?? Only you can make thatb decision. I suggest that you visit the areas thst ibnterest you and go on from ythere. Russ & the "BULLDOGGERS" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Okeeffe Mike CIV 115FW/CES" To: Cc: "MK at IBM (E-mail)" ; "StauberPat (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coastal North Carolina > I am a former Rhodes owner looking to get a 2nd home/condo in the coastal NC > area. I plan an autumn visit to Oriental-New Bern-Edenton. > I'd like to hear from any Rhodies in that area as to where to look, what's > good/bad, etc. My main interest is sailing in the seasons when we cannot > here in WI. > Thanks, ~Mike > > mike.okeeffe@wimadi.ang.af.mil > > Michael O'Keeffe > 115th Fighter Wing, Truax Field > Bldg. 1210, 3110 Mitchell St., Madison WI 53704-2591 > mike.okeeffe@wimadi.ang.af.mil > Tel Commercial: 608-245-4515 FAX: 608-245-4429 > Tel DSN: 724-8515 FAX DSN: 724-8429 > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From julie at circle7.net Tue Jun 28 20:52:15 2005 From: julie at circle7.net (Julie Thorndycraft) Date: Tue Jun 28 20:52:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Overstuffing your Boat (was Playing at Anchor) References: <156.53c1cd0d.2ff2ceb1@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c57c44$cb1134d0$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> Rummy, Thanks for the advice and we have been doing that to an certain degree. Due to our winters, we remove absolutely everything at the end of the season. In the spring, we look at the items removed in the fall and if we didn't use something or have come up with a better alternative, it doesn't get put back on. My husband did a fair amount of wilderness camping in his past which means you get pretty sparse - if you can't carry it, you don't bring it. We try to do the same with the boat but since we use it for extended camping trips, it still ends up with alot of gear - cooking stuff, food, toolbox, flares. We do have more cooking gear than most, but I'm not the cook and I'm not going to argue with the person who is happy to play chef. The lazarette holds the pop-top enclosure, the grill, and the anchors. For the most important items - the liquor cabinet stays stocked with easily refillable nalgene bottles. Yes, Rum is a constant. Fair winds, Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor > > Julie, > Concerning extra gear on the boat. After you have had the boat a few > seasons, go back through everything you have put on her. If you haven't > used > something in the past year, the odds are that you didn't need it in the > first > place.......get rid of it. I go through RumRunner every fall and remove > accumulated > stuff. You wouldn't believe the crap I've found. Of course, the reserve > rum > supply always remains on board. > > Rummy > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From ekroposki at charter.net Tue Jun 28 22:04:45 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Tue Jun 28 21:05:10 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Bud, look here In-Reply-To: <42C1ED1E.8030704@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c57c46$8ddc57f0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Bob, We usually keep this stuff on the list, often somebody is lurking in the shadows. You might have a neighbor on the list who only occasionally reads the post or replies to the list. Some of us have a good idea who is where, but we do not know or remember all. When I was at the Annapolis Boat Show last October, I met three or four Rhodes owners for everyone who was regularly on the list. I met one lady who knew me, "Oh, you're the one with all the post to the list." She read everything, but did not post anything. Like that old science fiction show used to say, "They're out there". So you have test sailed the boat. Sounds like you are now just looking for free sailing lessons. If you want lessons, there is a Missouri sailing school just made for you. See: www.odysseysailing.com/favorite.htm If you want another sail and are ready to put down a deposit, email Stan at GBI. Keep in mind that if you want a new or recycled Rhodes 22, it takes him a while to make or recondition a boat. GBI is not a high speed production outfit. Each boat or recycle is crafted with a specific customer in mind. It is the way sailboats used to be made, just for you. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: "Life hangs on a very thin thread and the cancer of time is complacency. If you are going to do something, do it now. Tomorrow is to late." Pete Goss, author of "Close to the Wind" in epilog -----Original Message----- From: Bud [mailto:budconnor@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:37 PM To: ed kroposki Cc: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' Subject: Re: Bud, look here Ed , thanks for the info... you are right, Rhodes 22's are hard to find. Last weekend I drove over Tampa Bay and sailed with Bob and Sandy Fuller on their Rhodes 22. We got in a good 4-5 hours of sailing. This was my first time to see and to sail on a Rhodes. It was a lot of fun. I got the feel of the boat pretty quickly, as it was smooth and predictable. If I don't find a Rhodes over here, then I will head back to Tampa and visit Bob and Sandy for another outing. I would love to sail with Rummy and learn the limits of a good boat - and probably learn a little bit of my own limits. -Bud ed kroposki wrote: Bud, Start with understanding that Rhodes 22's are not the most prolific species. Add to that, as Lou pointed out that they mingle with big money yachts. You have to look where they are. Come up to South Carolina. Rummy claims there are six on Lake Hartwell. I can only count five. We have old Rhodes Continental, several in the 80's and a couple of new boats. We have a very good range. And, then we have Rummy. He puts the boat to its limits. You have to ride with him on a windy day. One ride with him and you will understand the term 'heel'. You can look in southern Florida for years. Just count all the private docks. Most owners are not on this list. They just quietly sail away. You want to see a Rhodes 22, then make an appointment with Rummy. Just do not plan to drive afterward, and all he will ask of you is a bottle of Mt. Gay Rum. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: "No more expensive way of going really slowly has been invented by man than sailing." Gary Mull -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bud Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:25 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? Yes! Wally, did you see any other Rhodes 22 in the Cocoa, FL area? I live in Melbourne and I have not seen any Rhodes yet on the Florida East Coast. Thanks! Bud Connor From R22RumRunner at aol.com Tue Jun 28 22:41:10 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 28 21:41:20 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coastal North Carolina Message-ID: <76.562cf8c2.2ff35636@aol.com> Mike, Good to hear from you, again. Are you being transferred or retiring from the service? Many great areas on the NC coast to live, just not many that are heavily populated and offer many of the things you found handy in "Mad" city. I'm surprised that Ed hasn't invited you to our neck of the woods in SC. We try to keep it a secret, but Ed keeps inviting outsiders to come visit. We have a large body of water and no hurricane's to contend with, other than the rain from them from time to time. Rummy.........a cheesehead, formerly from that great state. From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Tue Jun 28 22:57:13 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Tue Jun 28 21:57:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? Yes! Message-ID: I should have mentioned we did not take my Rhodes 22 on this trip. My Uncle lives in Cocoa right on the river. We sailed his 74 Pearson 35. See pic - Wally >From: Bud >Reply-To: budconnor@earthlink.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? Yes! >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:24:53 -0400 > >Wally, > did you see any other Rhodes 22 in the Cocoa, FL area? I live in >Melbourne and I have not seen any Rhodes yet >on the Florida East Coast. > >Thanks! >Bud Connor > >Wally Buck wrote: > >>Ed, >> >>I will post pics and details once I catch up. Due to some mechanical >>issues and constant N and NE winds we did not reach our ultimate goal of >>Norfolk VA. We did have a great trip from Cocoa FL up to Wrightsville >>Beach NC. We spent 3 nights in the gulf stream, three on the hook at >>various spots on the ICW, and 3 nights at marinas. No one got seasick >>although we did hit some rough weather out in the stream. >> >>We left last Saturday night from Cocoa FL with favorable breeze for a day >>and a half. The first night on the ocean was nice. The second we had a >>single reef and furled genny later changing to a double reef. The boat was >>under control but it was a rough ride. Winds were steady 18 - 25 and waves >>starting stacking up with max size at about 10 feet. After sailing for 48 >>hours we came in at Jacksonville and motored to Amelia Island on the ICW. >>We were tired and spent the third night at Amelia Island. From there we >>cruised up the ICW past Cumberland Island and spent 2 nights at Jekyll >>Island waiting on pump to be overnighted. >> >>We then motored sailed out north side of Jekyll and hit the gulf stream. >>We had some great wind and spent the night sailing with winds out of the >>East but it again changed to NE. We had furled genny and double reef >>hitting 10 knots in gulf stream but it was a wild ride. We sailed back in >>aiming for Charlseton SC and came up short. Gave up on Charleston and came >>in just south at Edisto Island, Followed the Edisto River into the ICW for >>a night on the hook. >> >>We motored up ICW through Charleston Harbor to Georgetown SC. We then >>entered the nastiest part of the ICW; Myrtle Beach. We sailed back out at >>LIttle River Inlet and came in Willmington Harbor and then north on the >>ICW to Wrytsville Beach NC. Jenny and I rented a car and got home last >>night late. I will post a little better report and pics shortly. >> >>Wally >> >>>From: "ed kroposki" >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? >>>Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:32:55 -0400 >>> >>> I thought you went on a sailing voyage? Since you are just posting >>>routine emails, I guess no trip? >>> >>> >>> >>>Ed K >>> >>>Greenville, SC, USA >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -------------- next part -------------- Name: hornblowerstern.JPG Type: image/pjpeg Size: 343273 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/28/hornblowerstern.bin From hparsons at parsonsys.com Tue Jun 28 23:57:01 2005 From: hparsons at parsonsys.com (Herb Parsons) Date: Tue Jun 28 23:51:12 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Playing at Anchor Message-ID: That's funny. We lost the mast on our O'Day 25 a couple of weeks ago (a chainplate pulled loose from the bulkhead). Everything is OK, including the mast, but I have a little fiberglass work to do, and have to replace the bulkheads. We decided to use the opportunity to completely rebuild the inside, so today was "take everything off the boat" day. I couldn't BELIEVE the amount of stuff we've accumulated on that boat in 3 ? years!! I think "clean out the boat" is going to be on our January list from now on. Herb Parsons S/V O'Jure 1976 O'Day 25 Lake Grapevine, N TX S/V Reve de Papa 1971 Coronado 35 Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast >>> R22RumRunner@aol.com 6/28/2005 11:02:57 AM >>> Julie, Concerning extra gear on the boat. After you have had the boat a few seasons, go back through everything you have put on her. If you haven't used something in the past year, the odds are that you didn't need it in the first place.......get rid of it. I go through RumRunner every fall and remove accumulated stuff. You wouldn't believe the crap I've found. Of course, the reserve rum supply always remains on board. Rummy __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Wed Jun 29 07:14:25 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 29 06:14:40 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Nautical terms for say-lors. Message-ID: <1fc.4906013.2ff3ce81@aol.com> Subject: Modern Nautical Terms (Say-Lors) Amidships - condition of being surrounded by boats Anchor - a device designed to bring up mud samples from the bottom at inopportune or unexpected times Anchor Light - a small light used to discharge the battery before daylight. Berth - a little addition to the crew. Bottom Paint - what you get when the cockpit seats are freshly painted. Chart - a type of map which tells you exactly where you are aground. Clew - an indication from the skipper as to what he might do next. Companionway - a double berth. Dead Reckoning - a course leading directly to a reef. Deadrise - getting up to check the anchor at 0300. Deviation - any departure from the Captain's orders. Dinghy - the sound of the ship's bell. Displacement - when you dock your boat and can't find it later. Estimated Position - a place you have marked on the chart where you are sure you are not. First Mate - crew member necessary for skippers to practice shouting instructions to. Foul Wind - breeze produced by flying turkey. Freeboard - food and liquor supplied by the owner. Headway - what you are making if you can't get the toilet to work. Heave-Ho - what you do when you've eaten too much Ho. Jibe - either you like it or you don't and it gets you. Keel - term used by 1st mate after too much heel by skipper. Landlubber - anyone on board who wishes he/she were not. Latitude - the number of degrees off course allowed a guest. Mast - religious ritual used before setting sail. Mizzen - an object you can't find. Ram - an intricate docking maneuver sometimes used by experienced skippers. Rhumb Line - two or more crew members waiting for a drink. Sheet - cool, damp, salty night covering. Shroud - equipment used in connection with a wake. Starboard - special board used by skippers for navigation (usually with "Port" on the opposite side.) Swell - a wave that's just great. Square Rigger - a rigger over 30. From stan at rhodes22.com Wed Jun 29 08:50:19 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Wed Jun 29 07:50:18 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coastal North Carolina References: <200506281256.j5SCuAYq022599@phantom2.region4.ang.af.mil> Message-ID: <036401c57ca0$be216b80$a21f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> if you want to build we have a 50 K waterfront lot from which you can sail to anywhere in the world. stan/gbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Okeeffe Mike CIV 115FW/CES" To: Cc: "MK at IBM (E-mail)" ; "StauberPat (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coastal North Carolina >I am a former Rhodes owner looking to get a 2nd home/condo in the coastal >NC > area. I plan an autumn visit to Oriental-New Bern-Edenton. > I'd like to hear from any Rhodies in that area as to where to look, what's > good/bad, etc. My main interest is sailing in the seasons when we cannot > here in WI. > Thanks, ~Mike > > mike.okeeffe@wimadi.ang.af.mil > > Michael O'Keeffe > 115th Fighter Wing, Truax Field > Bldg. 1210, 3110 Mitchell St., Madison WI 53704-2591 > mike.okeeffe@wimadi.ang.af.mil > Tel Commercial: 608-245-4515 FAX: 608-245-4429 > Tel DSN: 724-8515 FAX DSN: 724-8429 > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 29 10:04:22 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Wed Jun 29 09:11:53 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar Message-ID: Looking back at the Rhodes 22 instruction booklet, the FAQ on the Rhodes 22 site, I read that the backstay tension is the thing that keeps the traveler bar in place, is that correct? On our boat it seems to be the case even though the traveler bar has a small hole at each end, and one would think the piece on the backstay into which the bar fits might have a hole as well, so you could insert a clevis pin?? but clearly there isn't any such hole to receive a clevis pin... so it comes down to the backstay tension being tight enough to keep that traveler bar securely in place.... Please advise me if this is correct. Last evening with 12-15 mph winds we jibed, the boom swung over hard and the traveler bar came loose, knocking my husband across the head...while he did not feel OK as we were feebly asking "Are you OK?" he has recovered fine with one Advil... This brings me to my second question regarding Loos tension gauges... I read a piece in the FAQ on those by Roger...do most of you check the tension of your stays at the beginning of the season? How do I know which Loos guage to get? Is the size of the stay wire the measurement that I find in the West Marine catalog? 3/32"- 5/32" 3/16"-9/32" 1/4"-3/8" these are some of the choices, also regular vs. pro. Thanks for any help...while Mike has recovered fine from the blow, I don't want to sail with any guests on board until I get this figured out...nor to sail in any but the lightest winds. For beginners I guess we have to just tighten up the backstay as much as possible? We thought we had it pretty snug a month ago. Phyllis Whisper From sanderico at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 09:41:27 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Wed Jun 29 09:41:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42C2A507.3050101@earthlink.net> Phyllis My traveller bar had a small hole in the top of each end for a pin to go through the traveller bar and the sockets it fit into on the aft stays. I never had a problem with these coming out, although if you have no pins, I would see where you might. I would drill the traveller bar and it's sockets so you can put a retaining pin in there. I never used a loos gauge to set my rigging. I just set it tight enough so it would just start to make a low tone when I strummed it. This gave me just a little slack in the lee shrouds when going to weather. This probably wasn't the "proper" way to do this, but it worked just fine for me. Your wire is 1/8 inch. The right loos guage would be the 3/32nds to 5/32nds version. Rik P&M Beals wrote: >Looking back at the Rhodes 22 instruction booklet, the FAQ on the Rhodes 22 >site, I read that the backstay tension is the thing that keeps the traveler >bar in place, is that correct? On our boat it seems to be the case even >though the traveler bar has a small hole at each end, and one would think >the piece on the backstay into which the bar fits might have a hole as well, >so you could insert a clevis pin?? but clearly there isn't any such hole to >receive a clevis pin... > >so it comes down to the backstay tension being tight enough to keep that >traveler bar securely in place.... > >Please advise me if this is correct. > >Last evening with 12-15 mph winds we jibed, the boom swung over hard and the >traveler bar came loose, knocking my husband across the head...while he did >not feel OK as we were feebly asking "Are you OK?" he has recovered fine >with one Advil... > >This brings me to my second question regarding Loos tension gauges... >I read a piece in the FAQ on those by Roger...do most of you check the >tension of your stays at the beginning of the season? > >How do I know which Loos guage to get? Is the size of the stay wire the >measurement that I find in the West Marine catalog? >3/32"- 5/32" > >3/16"-9/32" > >1/4"-3/8" > >these are some of the choices, also regular vs. pro. > >Thanks for any help...while Mike has recovered fine from the blow, I don't >want to sail with any guests on board until I get this figured out...nor to >sail in any but the lightest winds. For beginners I guess we have to just >tighten up the backstay as much as possible? We thought we had it pretty >snug a month ago. > >Phyllis >Whisper > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 29 11:04:28 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 29 10:04:38 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar In-Reply-To: <42C2A507.3050101@earthlink.net> References: <42C2A507.3050101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42C2AA6C.7020705@effros.com> Phyllis, Ditto. I set my shroud tension by ear and eye using the strum method. If I subsequently don't like the look or sound of it, I change the turnbuckles until I like it. I don't think there should be so much tension on the system that you are in danger of yanking things out of the boat--the pitch should not be too high. Nor should it be so loose that you can't get any sound out of the "strings". Anything in between is a matter of personal preference. The very high pitched systems make me nervous no matter whose boat they are on. I have 1 hole in my traveler bar, also. You may have a single hole also, if you look. It does not go all the way through, and a simple pin holds it in place because of all the tension on the shrouds. Bill Effros Rik Sandberg wrote: > Phyllis > > My traveller bar had a small hole in the top of each end for a pin to > go through the traveller bar and the sockets it fit into on the aft > stays. I never had a problem with these coming out, although if you > have no pins, I would see where you might. I would drill the traveller > bar and it's sockets so you can put a retaining pin in there. > > I never used a loos gauge to set my rigging. I just set it tight > enough so it would just start to make a low tone when I strummed it. > This gave me just a little slack in the lee shrouds when going to > weather. This probably wasn't the "proper" way to do this, but it > worked just fine for me. > > Your wire is 1/8 inch. The right loos guage would be the 3/32nds to > 5/32nds version. > > Rik > > P&M Beals wrote: > >> Looking back at the Rhodes 22 instruction booklet, the FAQ on the >> Rhodes 22 >> site, I read that the backstay tension is the thing that keeps the >> traveler >> bar in place, is that correct? On our boat it seems to be the case >> even >> though the traveler bar has a small hole at each end, and one would >> think >> the piece on the backstay into which the bar fits might have a hole >> as well, >> so you could insert a clevis pin?? but clearly there isn't any such >> hole to >> receive a clevis pin... >> >> so it comes down to the backstay tension being tight enough to keep that >> traveler bar securely in place.... >> >> Please advise me if this is correct. >> >> Last evening with 12-15 mph winds we jibed, the boom swung over hard >> and the >> traveler bar came loose, knocking my husband across the head...while >> he did >> not feel OK as we were feebly asking "Are you OK?" he has recovered fine >> with one Advil... >> >> This brings me to my second question regarding Loos tension gauges... >> I read a piece in the FAQ on those by Roger...do most of you check the >> tension of your stays at the beginning of the season? >> >> How do I know which Loos guage to get? Is the size of the stay wire the >> measurement that I find in the West Marine catalog? >> 3/32"- 5/32" >> >> 3/16"-9/32" >> >> 1/4"-3/8" >> >> these are some of the choices, also regular vs. pro. >> >> Thanks for any help...while Mike has recovered fine from the blow, I >> don't >> want to sail with any guests on board until I get this figured >> out...nor to >> sail in any but the lightest winds. For beginners I guess we have to >> just >> tighten up the backstay as much as possible? We thought we had it >> pretty >> snug a month ago. >> >> Phyllis >> Whisper >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 29 13:12:40 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Wed Jun 29 12:19:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar In-Reply-To: <42C2AA6C.7020705@effros.com> Message-ID: Thanks. I have the single hole in the traveler bar but no hole in the sockets attached to the stays. That seems to be the problem, and strange that the socket wouldn't have that hole. Maybe I will contact Stan, and see if there is anything I can do to get sockets on the stays with the holes, or why the ones I have would be without the holes. Ours was a recycled boat by Stan a couple years ago, though I am not the owner who bought directly from Stan. Thanks for the feedback on the tension guage vs. strum method. The cheapest tension gauge costs $48 and they go up from there. Phyllis > From: Bill Effros > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:04:28 -0400 > To: sanderico@earthlink.net, The Rhodes 22 mail list > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar > > Phyllis, > > Ditto. > > I set my shroud tension by ear and eye using the strum method. If I > subsequently don't like the look or sound of it, I change the > turnbuckles until I like it. I don't think there should be so much > tension on the system that you are in danger of yanking things out of > the boat--the pitch should not be too high. Nor should it be so loose > that you can't get any sound out of the "strings". Anything in between > is a matter of personal preference. The very high pitched systems make > me nervous no matter whose boat they are on. > > I have 1 hole in my traveler bar, also. You may have a single hole > also, if you look. It does not go all the way through, and a simple pin > holds it in place because of all the tension on the shrouds. > > Bill Effros > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > >> Phyllis >> >> My traveller bar had a small hole in the top of each end for a pin to >> go through the traveller bar and the sockets it fit into on the aft >> stays. I never had a problem with these coming out, although if you >> have no pins, I would see where you might. I would drill the traveller >> bar and it's sockets so you can put a retaining pin in there. >> >> I never used a loos gauge to set my rigging. I just set it tight >> enough so it would just start to make a low tone when I strummed it. >> This gave me just a little slack in the lee shrouds when going to >> weather. This probably wasn't the "proper" way to do this, but it >> worked just fine for me. >> >> Your wire is 1/8 inch. The right loos guage would be the 3/32nds to >> 5/32nds version. >> >> Rik >> >> P&M Beals wrote: >> >>> Looking back at the Rhodes 22 instruction booklet, the FAQ on the >>> Rhodes 22 >>> site, I read that the backstay tension is the thing that keeps the >>> traveler >>> bar in place, is that correct? On our boat it seems to be the case >>> even >>> though the traveler bar has a small hole at each end, and one would >>> think >>> the piece on the backstay into which the bar fits might have a hole >>> as well, >>> so you could insert a clevis pin?? but clearly there isn't any such >>> hole to >>> receive a clevis pin... >>> >>> so it comes down to the backstay tension being tight enough to keep that >>> traveler bar securely in place.... >>> >>> Please advise me if this is correct. >>> >>> Last evening with 12-15 mph winds we jibed, the boom swung over hard >>> and the >>> traveler bar came loose, knocking my husband across the head...while >>> he did >>> not feel OK as we were feebly asking "Are you OK?" he has recovered fine >>> with one Advil... >>> >>> This brings me to my second question regarding Loos tension gauges... >>> I read a piece in the FAQ on those by Roger...do most of you check the >>> tension of your stays at the beginning of the season? >>> >>> How do I know which Loos guage to get? Is the size of the stay wire the >>> measurement that I find in the West Marine catalog? >>> 3/32"- 5/32" >>> >>> 3/16"-9/32" >>> >>> 1/4"-3/8" >>> >>> these are some of the choices, also regular vs. pro. >>> >>> Thanks for any help...while Mike has recovered fine from the blow, I >>> don't >>> want to sail with any guests on board until I get this figured >>> out...nor to >>> sail in any but the lightest winds. For beginners I guess we have to >>> just >>> tighten up the backstay as much as possible? We thought we had it >>> pretty >>> snug a month ago. >>> >>> Phyllis >>> Whisper >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 29 14:22:50 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:22:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar References: Message-ID: <002701c57ccf$2d5ad850$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Phyllis: Depending on the year of the boat, earlier models had "set screws" to hold the travel bar in place. Take a look at the holes and see if you can detect screw groves. If so, the set screws are missing and need to be replaced. I do not, off hand, know the size. Later boats have holes both in the ends of the travel bar and the cap ends that the traveler bar fit into, through which clevis pins fit to hold the bar in place. I like that set up better and would recommend that you modify your set up to that system. In ten years we never needed a Loos gage. Tuned by eye (mast straight) and shrouds tightened to give a firm (but not too tight) feel. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "P&M Beals" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 29 14:23:04 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:23:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42C2D8F8.7040706@effros.com> Did you look at the under side of the socket? P&M Beals wrote: >Thanks. I have the single hole in the traveler bar but no hole in the >sockets attached to the stays. That seems to be the problem, and strange >that the socket wouldn't have that hole. >Maybe I will contact Stan, and see if there is anything I can do to get >sockets on the stays with the holes, or why the ones I have would be without >the holes. Ours was a recycled boat by Stan a couple years ago, though I am >not the owner who bought directly from Stan. > >Thanks for the feedback on the tension guage vs. strum method. The cheapest >tension gauge costs $48 and they go up from there. > >Phyllis > > > > >>From: Bill Effros >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:04:28 -0400 >>To: sanderico@earthlink.net, The Rhodes 22 mail list >> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >> >>Phyllis, >> >>Ditto. >> >>I set my shroud tension by ear and eye using the strum method. If I >>subsequently don't like the look or sound of it, I change the >>turnbuckles until I like it. I don't think there should be so much >>tension on the system that you are in danger of yanking things out of >>the boat--the pitch should not be too high. Nor should it be so loose >>that you can't get any sound out of the "strings". Anything in between >>is a matter of personal preference. The very high pitched systems make >>me nervous no matter whose boat they are on. >> >>I have 1 hole in my traveler bar, also. You may have a single hole >>also, if you look. It does not go all the way through, and a simple pin >>holds it in place because of all the tension on the shrouds. >> >>Bill Effros >> >>Rik Sandberg wrote: >> >> >> >>>Phyllis >>> >>>My traveller bar had a small hole in the top of each end for a pin to >>>go through the traveller bar and the sockets it fit into on the aft >>>stays. I never had a problem with these coming out, although if you >>>have no pins, I would see where you might. I would drill the traveller >>>bar and it's sockets so you can put a retaining pin in there. >>> >>>I never used a loos gauge to set my rigging. I just set it tight >>>enough so it would just start to make a low tone when I strummed it. >>>This gave me just a little slack in the lee shrouds when going to >>>weather. This probably wasn't the "proper" way to do this, but it >>>worked just fine for me. >>> >>>Your wire is 1/8 inch. The right loos guage would be the 3/32nds to >>>5/32nds version. >>> >>>Rik >>> >>>P&M Beals wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Looking back at the Rhodes 22 instruction booklet, the FAQ on the >>>>Rhodes 22 >>>>site, I read that the backstay tension is the thing that keeps the >>>>traveler >>>>bar in place, is that correct? On our boat it seems to be the case >>>>even >>>>though the traveler bar has a small hole at each end, and one would >>>>think >>>>the piece on the backstay into which the bar fits might have a hole >>>>as well, >>>>so you could insert a clevis pin?? but clearly there isn't any such >>>>hole to >>>>receive a clevis pin... >>>> >>>>so it comes down to the backstay tension being tight enough to keep that >>>>traveler bar securely in place.... >>>> >>>>Please advise me if this is correct. >>>> >>>>Last evening with 12-15 mph winds we jibed, the boom swung over hard >>>>and the >>>>traveler bar came loose, knocking my husband across the head...while >>>>he did >>>>not feel OK as we were feebly asking "Are you OK?" he has recovered fine >>>>with one Advil... >>>> >>>>This brings me to my second question regarding Loos tension gauges... >>>>I read a piece in the FAQ on those by Roger...do most of you check the >>>>tension of your stays at the beginning of the season? >>>> >>>>How do I know which Loos guage to get? Is the size of the stay wire the >>>>measurement that I find in the West Marine catalog? >>>>3/32"- 5/32" >>>> >>>>3/16"-9/32" >>>> >>>>1/4"-3/8" >>>> >>>>these are some of the choices, also regular vs. pro. >>>> >>>>Thanks for any help...while Mike has recovered fine from the blow, I >>>>don't >>>>want to sail with any guests on board until I get this figured >>>>out...nor to >>>>sail in any but the lightest winds. For beginners I guess we have to >>>>just >>>>tighten up the backstay as much as possible? We thought we had it >>>>pretty >>>>snug a month ago. >>>> >>>>Phyllis >>>>Whisper >>>> >>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 29 16:12:00 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 29 15:12:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Phyllis - traveler bar connections In-Reply-To: <42C2D8F8.7040706@effros.com> Message-ID: <000001c57cde$71c88dc0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Phyllis: 1. Follow Bill's suggestion and look thoroughly at the socket. Bob Quinn gave you descriptions of only two models. There are more models. Mine has single holes on both ends of the traveler and a single hole on each socket. A 'quick pin' is used to secure the traveler to the socket. A quick pin may be used for this application, but never replace a clevis with a quick pin. A quick pin may also be called a fastpin or ball-lok quick release pin. See page 1016 in the 2005 West Catalog. 2. Such a system does not have holes thru both sides of the devices, only on hole on each end of traveler and one hole on each socket. When you received your boat, the pins were likely with the boat, you just did not know what for. 3. Then there is always the possibility the P.O. replaced the sockets without drilling the holes. However, most backstays are intricate to replace with going thru GBI. 4. There may be more systems out there. It needs to be fastened someway. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:23 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar Did you look at the under side of the socket? P&M Beals wrote: >Thanks. I have the single hole in the traveler bar but no hole in the >sockets attached to the stays. That seems to be the problem, and strange >that the socket wouldn't have that hole. >Maybe I will contact Stan, and see if there is anything I can do to get >sockets on the stays with the holes, or why the ones I have would be without >the holes. Ours was a recycled boat by Stan a couple years ago, though I am >not the owner who bought directly from Stan. > >Thanks for the feedback on the tension guage vs. strum method. The cheapest >tension gauge costs $48 and they go up from there. > >Phyllis > > > > >>From: Bill Effros >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:04:28 -0400 >>To: sanderico@earthlink.net, The Rhodes 22 mail list >> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >> >>Phyllis, >> >>Ditto. >> >>I set my shroud tension by ear and eye using the strum method. If I >>subsequently don't like the look or sound of it, I change the >>turnbuckles until I like it. I don't think there should be so much >>tension on the system that you are in danger of yanking things out of >>the boat--the pitch should not be too high. Nor should it be so loose >>that you can't get any sound out of the "strings". Anything in between >>is a matter of personal preference. The very high pitched systems make >>me nervous no matter whose boat they are on. >> >>I have 1 hole in my traveler bar, also. You may have a single hole >>also, if you look. It does not go all the way through, and a simple pin >>holds it in place because of all the tension on the shrouds. >> >>Bill Effros >> >>Rik Sandberg wrote: >> >> >> >>>Phyllis >>> >>>My traveller bar had a small hole in the top of each end for a pin to >>>go through the traveller bar and the sockets it fit into on the aft >>>stays. I never had a problem with these coming out, although if you >>>have no pins, I would see where you might. I would drill the traveller >>>bar and it's sockets so you can put a retaining pin in there. >>> >>>I never used a loos gauge to set my rigging. I just set it tight >>>enough so it would just start to make a low tone when I strummed it. >>>This gave me just a little slack in the lee shrouds when going to >>>weather. This probably wasn't the "proper" way to do this, but it >>>worked just fine for me. >>> >>>Your wire is 1/8 inch. The right loos guage would be the 3/32nds to >>>5/32nds version. >>> >>>Rik >>> >>>P&M Beals wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Looking back at the Rhodes 22 instruction booklet, the FAQ on the >>>>Rhodes 22 >>>>site, I read that the backstay tension is the thing that keeps the >>>>traveler >>>>bar in place, is that correct? On our boat it seems to be the case >>>>even >>>>though the traveler bar has a small hole at each end, and one would >>>>think >>>>the piece on the backstay into which the bar fits might have a hole >>>>as well, >>>>so you could insert a clevis pin?? but clearly there isn't any such >>>>hole to >>>>receive a clevis pin... >>>> >>>>so it comes down to the backstay tension being tight enough to keep that >>>>traveler bar securely in place.... >>>> >>>>Please advise me if this is correct. >>>> >>>>Last evening with 12-15 mph winds we jibed, the boom swung over hard >>>>and the >>>>traveler bar came loose, knocking my husband across the head...while >>>>he did >>>>not feel OK as we were feebly asking "Are you OK?" he has recovered fine >>>>with one Advil... >>>> >>>>This brings me to my second question regarding Loos tension gauges... >>>>I read a piece in the FAQ on those by Roger...do most of you check the >>>>tension of your stays at the beginning of the season? >>>> >>>>How do I know which Loos guage to get? Is the size of the stay wire the >>>>measurement that I find in the West Marine catalog? >>>>3/32"- 5/32" >>>> >>>>3/16"-9/32" >>>> >>>>1/4"-3/8" >>>> >>>>these are some of the choices, also regular vs. pro. >>>> >>>>Thanks for any help...while Mike has recovered fine from the blow, I >>>>don't >>>>want to sail with any guests on board until I get this figured >>>>out...nor to >>>>sail in any but the lightest winds. For beginners I guess we have to >>>>just >>>>tighten up the backstay as much as possible? We thought we had it >>>>pretty >>>>snug a month ago. >>>> >>>>Phyllis >>>>Whisper >>>> >>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Wed Jun 29 16:21:53 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 29 15:21:59 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar Message-ID: <19a.36d071cb.2ff44ed1@aol.com> _http://members8.clubphoto.com/_cgi-bin/members/compact_slide_show.pl?album_it em_id=9071637_ (http://members8.clubphoto.com/_cgi-bin/members/compact_slide_show.pl?album_item_id=9071637) This link will take you to a picture of the end of the traveler hardware. Rummy From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 29 17:18:54 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Wed Jun 29 16:26:17 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar In-Reply-To: <002701c57ccf$2d5ad850$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: Thanks ALL for your help... I have inspected the sockets several times...last summer and again now, clearly there was never any hole there...my hunch is that Bob has hit it that my model a 1986, with probably original traveler bar- the stay sockets never had a hole-perhaps the screw theory might be it. I would think the socket would have the hole, a short screw to go in and impress into the traveler bar...but it seems the other way around... I have the hole in the traveler bar, once put into the socket the hole on the traveler bar is covered up by the socket! Perhaps I have two different pieces from different years models, the stay sockets from one vintage and the traveler bar from another... There have been several owners of this boat over the years.. Just to assure all that the stays themselves look very solid and not worn. I have put in a message to Stan directly to see if he has anything to add or anything I can buy from General Boats to help remedy this situation... Rummy, that is a great photo and clearly I can see the place where the clevis pin should be. Thanks all. Phyllis > From: "Robert Quinn" > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:22:50 -0400 > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar > > Phyllis: Depending on the year of the boat, earlier models had "set screws" > to hold the travel bar in place. Take a look at the holes and see if you > can detect screw groves. If so, the set screws are missing and need to be > replaced. I do not, off hand, know the size. > > Later boats have holes both in the ends of the travel bar and the cap ends > that the traveler bar fit into, through which clevis pins fit to hold the > bar in place. I like that set up better and would recommend that you modify > your set up to that system. > > In ten years we never needed a Loos gage. Tuned by eye (mast straight) and > shrouds tightened to give a firm (but not too tight) feel. > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P&M Beals" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:04 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From salm at mn.rr.com Wed Jun 29 16:38:31 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Wed Jun 29 16:38:38 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme In-Reply-To: <42AAE7CF.90705@effros.com> Message-ID: I have Stan's rudder > clutch, and think it's the best way to go--if it's rigged properly and > you know how to use it. Bill, What's a rudder clutch? Slim From mkaynor at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 17:51:41 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Wed Jun 29 16:51:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42c309de.6c4dfaa4.2812.069b@mx.gmail.com> Phyllis, Raven (1988) has the same setup - single holes in both the traveler bar and the end caps. Try rotating the traveler until the holes line up - maybe you're trying to install the traveler incorrectly. The clam cleats for the traveler line go on top, if I remember correctly. Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of P&M Beals Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:19 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar Thanks ALL for your help... I have inspected the sockets several times...last summer and again now, clearly there was never any hole there...my hunch is that Bob has hit it that my model a 1986, with probably original traveler bar- the stay sockets never had a hole-perhaps the screw theory might be it. I would think the socket would have the hole, a short screw to go in and impress into the traveler bar...but it seems the other way around... I have the hole in the traveler bar, once put into the socket the hole on the traveler bar is covered up by the socket! Perhaps I have two different pieces from different years models, the stay sockets from one vintage and the traveler bar from another... There have been several owners of this boat over the years.. Just to assure all that the stays themselves look very solid and not worn. I have put in a message to Stan directly to see if he has anything to add or anything I can buy from General Boats to help remedy this situation... Rummy, that is a great photo and clearly I can see the place where the clevis pin should be. Thanks all. Phyllis > From: "Robert Quinn" > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:22:50 -0400 > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar > > Phyllis: Depending on the year of the boat, earlier models had "set screws" > to hold the travel bar in place. Take a look at the holes and see if > you can detect screw groves. If so, the set screws are missing and > need to be replaced. I do not, off hand, know the size. > > Later boats have holes both in the ends of the travel bar and the cap > ends that the traveler bar fit into, through which clevis pins fit to > hold the bar in place. I like that set up better and would recommend > that you modify your set up to that system. > > In ten years we never needed a Loos gage. Tuned by eye (mast > straight) and shrouds tightened to give a firm (but not too tight) feel. > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P&M Beals" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:04 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 29 18:45:38 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 29 17:46:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar In-Reply-To: <42c309de.6c4dfaa4.2812.069b@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c57cf3$ecf2a7f0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Phyllis: You used the term 'clevis pin' referring to Rummy's picture. His picture shows a quick pin with a clevis ring as I defined earlier. Have you actually looked at the underside of the socket? There is the possibility that there was never a pin holding the traveler into the socket, but that it was held in place by the tensioning of the back stay adjusters. If the tension was tight, there should be no reason for separation. You can help solve the mystery with a photo from the top and a photo from the bottom. Do you have a digital camera? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mark Kaynor Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:52 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar Phyllis, Raven (1988) has the same setup - single holes in both the traveler bar and the end caps. Try rotating the traveler until the holes line up - maybe you're trying to install the traveler incorrectly. The clam cleats for the traveler line go on top, if I remember correctly. Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of P&M Beals Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:19 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar Thanks ALL for your help... I have inspected the sockets several times...last summer and again now, clearly there was never any hole there...my hunch is that Bob has hit it that my model a 1986, with probably original traveler bar- the stay sockets never had a hole-perhaps the screw theory might be it. I would think the socket would have the hole, a short screw to go in and impress into the traveler bar...but it seems the other way around... I have the hole in the traveler bar, once put into the socket the hole on the traveler bar is covered up by the socket! Perhaps I have two different pieces from different years models, the stay sockets from one vintage and the traveler bar from another... There have been several owners of this boat over the years.. Just to assure all that the stays themselves look very solid and not worn. I have put in a message to Stan directly to see if he has anything to add or anything I can buy from General Boats to help remedy this situation... Rummy, that is a great photo and clearly I can see the place where the clevis pin should be. Thanks all. Phyllis > From: "Robert Quinn" > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:22:50 -0400 > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar > > Phyllis: Depending on the year of the boat, earlier models had "set screws" > to hold the travel bar in place. Take a look at the holes and see if > you can detect screw groves. If so, the set screws are missing and > need to be replaced. I do not, off hand, know the size. > > Later boats have holes both in the ends of the travel bar and the cap > ends that the traveler bar fit into, through which clevis pins fit to > hold the bar in place. I like that set up better and would recommend > that you modify your set up to that system. > > In ten years we never needed a Loos gage. Tuned by eye (mast > straight) and shrouds tightened to give a firm (but not too tight) feel. > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P&M Beals" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:04 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Wed Jun 29 21:18:25 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Wed Jun 29 20:25:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar In-Reply-To: <000001c57cf3$ecf2a7f0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: When I get over to the boat again soon I will inspect again all around this time, and take a digital photo...maybe, just maybe we have missed a hole on the underside of the socket... I am about 30 minutes (min.) from the boat and 50 min.(yuck) in evening rush hour- as when we went over Tuesday. Not the best experience Tuesday...too much traffic, not enough sailing, a slammed head, ...the best part was plowing into waves under motor...the kids are happy as long as they get wet. Will keep you posted. Phyllis > From: "ed kroposki" > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:45:38 -0400 > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar > > Phyllis: > You used the term 'clevis pin' referring to Rummy's picture. His > picture shows a quick pin with a clevis ring as I defined earlier. Have you > actually looked at the underside of the socket? > There is the possibility that there was never a pin holding the > traveler into the socket, but that it was held in place by the tensioning of > the back stay adjusters. If the tension was tight, there should be no > reason for separation. > You can help solve the mystery with a photo from the top and a photo > from the bottom. Do you have a digital camera? > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mark Kaynor > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:52 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar > > Phyllis, > > Raven (1988) has the same setup - single holes in both the traveler bar and > the end caps. Try rotating the traveler until the holes line up - maybe > you're trying to install the traveler incorrectly. The clam cleats for the > traveler line go on top, if I remember correctly. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of P&M Beals > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:19 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar > > Thanks ALL for your help... > > I have inspected the sockets several times...last summer and again now, > clearly there was never any hole there...my hunch is that Bob has hit it > that my model a 1986, with probably original traveler bar- the stay sockets > never had a hole-perhaps the screw theory might be it. I would think the > socket would have the hole, a short screw to go in and impress into the > traveler bar...but it seems the other way around... I have the hole in the > traveler bar, once put into the socket the hole on the traveler bar is > covered up by the socket! > Perhaps I have two different pieces from different years models, the stay > sockets from one vintage and the traveler bar from another... > There have been several owners of this boat over the years.. > > Just to assure all that the stays themselves look very solid and not worn. > > I have put in a message to Stan directly to see if he has anything to add or > anything I can buy from General Boats to help remedy this situation... > > Rummy, that is a great photo and clearly I can see the place where the > clevis pin should be. > > Thanks all. > > Phyllis > >> From: "Robert Quinn" >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:22:50 -0400 >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >> >> Phyllis: Depending on the year of the boat, earlier models had "set > screws" >> to hold the travel bar in place. Take a look at the holes and see if >> you can detect screw groves. If so, the set screws are missing and >> need to be replaced. I do not, off hand, know the size. >> >> Later boats have holes both in the ends of the travel bar and the cap >> ends that the traveler bar fit into, through which clevis pins fit to >> hold the bar in place. I like that set up better and would recommend >> that you modify your set up to that system. >> >> In ten years we never needed a Loos gage. Tuned by eye (mast >> straight) and shrouds tightened to give a firm (but not too tight) feel. >> >> Bob on the "NoKaOi" >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "P&M Beals" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:04 AM >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From nellwolfe at cox.net Wed Jun 29 22:05:27 2005 From: nellwolfe at cox.net (Nell) Date: Wed Jun 29 21:05:44 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coastal North Carolina In-Reply-To: <200506281256.j5SCuAYq022599@phantom2.region4.ang.af.mil> Message-ID: <20050630010530.FVFT13442.lakermmtao05.cox.net@owners36f7iee7> Dear Mike, I am an almost Rhodes owner (I have one of Stan's loaners whilst mine is being completed). I live in Greenville, NC - 21 miles from Washington, NC. BTW, Washington, NC is referred to as "the little Washington" or the "real Washington" as it was the 1st capital of the US. Anyway, Washington sits on the Pamlico River, just a stone's throw from the Pamlico Sound which connects to the Albemarle Sound, which connects to the yada, yada, yada. Greenville is the seat of the largest and arguably the finest healthcare east of DUKE and Chapel Hill. Raleigh is about 2 hours away as is Edenton as is Oriental. There is insufficient slip space in Edenton according to Elton (Stan's brother). Ditto the same for New Bern and Oriental. In fact, there are a couple of dozen larger boats (sail and motor) based in Edenton, New Bern, and Oriental that stay in Washington. I am currently boat-sitting a 38' Sarabande for a couple who live in Columbus, Ohio. After sailing the Southeast coast of the US as well as the Bahamas, the owner chose Washington, NC to moor his boat. During hurricanes, the larger boats are moved out into the river and moored so they don't get beaten up at the docks. There is the ritzy Washington Yacht Club just across the street from the marina where I keep my Rhodes. The marina is called McCotter's (see following list of marinas in the area). Okracoke, NC is less than a day's sail from Washington. I have a guy friend who has both a big motor boat and a 42' sailboat where he lives near Kill Devil Hills, NC. (He spends much of his winters in the Bahamas and part of his summers on the Chesapeake Bay.) Broad Creek Marina 353 McCotter's Marina Rd., Washington, NC 252-946-4924 (this is the poor man's marina adjacent to McCotter's Marina) Carolina Wind Yachting Center 411 West Main, Washington, NC 252-946-4653 Cypress Lansing Marina Cypress Landing, Washington, NC 252-975-3955 McCotter's Marina 179 McCotter's Marina Rd., Washington, NC 252-975-2174 There is a new and rather upscale development in Chocowinity, NC (18 miles from Greenville) that has slips and a golf course for those so inclined to beat white balls around only to catch up with them then swat them away again. In fact, one of the guys I work with at the hospital lives in that development with his wife. They love it. My daughter is a Marine Biology / Fisheries major at East Carolina University (also located in Greenville). She works with a Ph.D. who is nationally known for his work with local fish populations and has been contracted to determine the environmental impact of coastal development on water quality and fish health. I tell you this because there is a place called Belhaven, near Bath, NC (where Sir Edward Teach aka Blackbeard the Pirate lived) that is currently under development for condominiums, golf communities, and marinas/yacht clubs. Belhaven is also easily accessible from Washington, Chocowinity, etc. Washington experiences a slight tidal influence with the water being brackish. This is mentioned because there is much less accumulation of flora and fauna on the hull in brackish waters. There are condos along the Pamlico River as well. If you are really fixed for dough you might consider Southport and Beaufort- very picturesque towns with condos along the waterfront. I cannot think of a better place to live than coastal North Carolina. If you want to hear more, put another quarter in the jukebox. Hope this helps. Take care. nellwolfe -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Okeeffe Mike CIV 115FW/CES Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:56 AM To: 'rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org' Cc: MK at IBM (E-mail); StauberPat (E-mail) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coastal North Carolina I am a former Rhodes owner looking to get a 2nd home/condo in the coastal NC area. I plan an autumn visit to Oriental-New Bern-Edenton. I'd like to hear from any Rhodies in that area as to where to look, what's good/bad, etc. My main interest is sailing in the seasons when we cannot here in WI. Thanks, ~Mike mike.okeeffe@wimadi.ang.af.mil Michael O'Keeffe 115th Fighter Wing, Truax Field Bldg. 1210, 3110 Mitchell St., Madison WI 53704-2591 mike.okeeffe@wimadi.ang.af.mil Tel Commercial: 608-245-4515 FAX: 608-245-4429 Tel DSN: 724-8515 FAX DSN: 724-8429 __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 30 04:43:18 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 30 04:43:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Phyllis, This is a bit of a mystery because, as Ed said, if there's sufficient tension on the back stay tensioning line (and "sufficient" means as tight as you can get it) then the traveler bar should not come out of its sockets. But obviously it did, and clobbered the helmsman, so something is wrong. As a quick fix, I would double check the tensioning line and make sure you have it rigged right and as tight as you can get it. Once you've done that, test it by trying with all your might to see if you can get the bar out of the sockets. I know on my boat, I could never get the bar out of the sockets without loosening the tensioning line. In fact I've tried this. When I set up my boom room, I disconnect one side of the traveler bar and swing the tiller around behind it to keep it out of the way for the night. There's no way I can get that puppy out of there without slacking the tensioning line. However, even if you can make it stay put, the traveler bar could still twist within the sockets and wind up in a less desirable position. You want it to remain in place with the cleats on the top. (although, the more I think about it, the less worried I'd be about that.) Nevertheless, you want to get it pinned so you can have total piece of mind about it. If you or hubby or a friend is a little "handy" you should be able to drill a hole in the socket to accommodate the pin. But like Ed has been explaining, it's not a "clevis pin" It's a "quick pin" that has a tiny spring-loaded ball in the leading end of it that keeps it from falling out. That's different from a clevis which pokes all the way through and requires a cotter pin or cotter ring through a hole in the end to hold it in place--like the ones on your shrouds connecting to the chain plates. Some quick pins have a push-button release mechanism on the end to ease the little keeper ball, and others are just spring loaded and you just give them a firm push/pull and they go in/out. That's the type you saw in the picture of Rummy's set-up. It has a ring on the back end to get your finger through to get a grip. With a quick pin, you won't need to drill all the way through. You only need one hole in the socket and one hole in the bar. Then you stick the pin in and it stays put. Drilling the hole might be a little tricky but doable. You'll need to measure carefully to get the hole in the right place to line up with the hole in the bar. Once you've got it measured and marked, you'll need to stamp it with an punch or awl to make a little dimple or indentation. This will provide a seat for the drill bit. Without a dimple, your drill bit will wonder and you don't want that. But you might not be able to do this with the mast up. You'll have to put the socket down on something solid like a vice or the dock or something that doesn't give when you're trying to hammer in this little dimple. I'd suggest starting with a very small drill bit to make a tiny pilot hole first, then graduate to the larger bit. My guess is that the hole should be approx. 1/4". To determine the right size, first get a quick pin that fits in the traveler bar hole and go from there. I'm guessing here, but the pin should be about 1/4' in diameter and about 1 and 1/2" long. The length is less critical than the width. You could go as short as 1/2". It just needs to poke through the matching holes on the top of the assembly. Hope this helps, keep us posted. Slim On 6/29/05 7:18 PM, "P&M Beals" wrote: > When I get over to the boat again soon I will inspect again all around this > time, and take a digital photo...maybe, just maybe we have missed a hole on > the underside of the socket... > > I am about 30 minutes (min.) from the boat and 50 min.(yuck) in evening rush > hour- as when we went over Tuesday. Not the best experience Tuesday...too > much traffic, not enough sailing, a slammed head, ...the best part was > plowing into waves under motor...the kids are happy as long as they get wet. > > Will keep you posted. > > Phyllis > >> From: "ed kroposki" >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:45:38 -0400 >> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >> >> Phyllis: >> You used the term 'clevis pin' referring to Rummy's picture. His >> picture shows a quick pin with a clevis ring as I defined earlier. Have you >> actually looked at the underside of the socket? >> There is the possibility that there was never a pin holding the >> traveler into the socket, but that it was held in place by the tensioning of >> the back stay adjusters. If the tension was tight, there should be no >> reason for separation. >> You can help solve the mystery with a photo from the top and a photo >> from the bottom. Do you have a digital camera? >> >> Ed K >> Greenville, SC, USA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mark Kaynor >> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:52 PM >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >> >> Phyllis, >> >> Raven (1988) has the same setup - single holes in both the traveler bar and >> the end caps. Try rotating the traveler until the holes line up - maybe >> you're trying to install the traveler incorrectly. The clam cleats for the >> traveler line go on top, if I remember correctly. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of P&M Beals >> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:19 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >> >> Thanks ALL for your help... >> >> I have inspected the sockets several times...last summer and again now, >> clearly there was never any hole there...my hunch is that Bob has hit it >> that my model a 1986, with probably original traveler bar- the stay sockets >> never had a hole-perhaps the screw theory might be it. I would think the >> socket would have the hole, a short screw to go in and impress into the >> traveler bar...but it seems the other way around... I have the hole in the >> traveler bar, once put into the socket the hole on the traveler bar is >> covered up by the socket! >> Perhaps I have two different pieces from different years models, the stay >> sockets from one vintage and the traveler bar from another... >> There have been several owners of this boat over the years.. >> >> Just to assure all that the stays themselves look very solid and not worn. >> >> I have put in a message to Stan directly to see if he has anything to add or >> anything I can buy from General Boats to help remedy this situation... >> >> Rummy, that is a great photo and clearly I can see the place where the >> clevis pin should be. >> >> Thanks all. >> >> Phyllis >> >>> From: "Robert Quinn" >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:22:50 -0400 >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >>> >>> Phyllis: Depending on the year of the boat, earlier models had "set >> screws" >>> to hold the travel bar in place. Take a look at the holes and see if >>> you can detect screw groves. If so, the set screws are missing and >>> need to be replaced. I do not, off hand, know the size. >>> >>> Later boats have holes both in the ends of the travel bar and the cap >>> ends that the traveler bar fit into, through which clevis pins fit to >>> hold the bar in place. I like that set up better and would recommend >>> that you modify your set up to that system. >>> >>> In ten years we never needed a Loos gage. Tuned by eye (mast >>> straight) and shrouds tightened to give a firm (but not too tight) feel. >>> >>> Bob on the "NoKaOi" >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "P&M Beals" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:04 AM >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From anima13 at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 30 07:11:22 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Thu Jun 30 07:11:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's Voyage? Yes! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wally, The Pearson 35 is a fine boat for heavy winds! We have one here and I have sailed on it several times. However, the fella who owns it now has a one year old...so it goes out rarely. Bet that was great fun. Anne >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 30 11:13:28 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 30 10:13:35 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42C3FE08.4030206@effros.com> Slim, The following sort of explains the rudder clutch. Read from the bottom up. If you still don't know what I was talking about, just ask, and I'll find or write a better explanation. It's another one of those little Stan things that works better than every attempt to improve on it, provided you know how it was designed to work in the first place. I think Stan gets worn down over time, and stops explaining. BTW I also believe the Spitzer furler with the 175 jib is the best set up for the waters I sail--LIS--which is what the R-22 was designed for. Bill Effros Slim wrote: >I have Stan's rudder > > >>clutch, and think it's the best way to go--if it's rigged properly and >>you know how to use it. >> >> > >Bill, > >What's a rudder clutch? > >Slim > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 30 11:25:22 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 30 10:25:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42C400D2.3040700@effros.com> Slim, I think Stan thought the same thing you thought when he originally designed the system. You can't budge the traveler by hand. But if there's an unexpected jibe that puts a huge amount of strain on one side of the traveler it can pop out of the socket on the other side. So Stan put a pin in the sockets so that couldn't happen. The pin did not have to go all the way through, it just had to withstand the lateral pressure so the slack socket would not drop the traveler on the head of the helmsperson. Bill Effros Slim wrote: >Phyllis, > >This is a bit of a mystery because, as Ed said, if there's sufficient >tension on the back stay tensioning line (and "sufficient" means as tight as >you can get it) then the traveler bar should not come out of its sockets. >But obviously it did, and clobbered the helmsman, so something is wrong. > >As a quick fix, I would double check the tensioning line and make sure you >have it rigged right and as tight as you can get it. Once you've done that, >test it by trying with all your might to see if you can get the bar out of >the sockets. I know on my boat, I could never get the bar out of the >sockets without loosening the tensioning line. In fact I've tried this. >When I set up my boom room, I disconnect one side of the traveler bar and >swing the tiller around behind it to keep it out of the way for the night. >There's no way I can get that puppy out of there without slacking the >tensioning line. > >However, even if you can make it stay put, the traveler bar could still >twist within the sockets and wind up in a less desirable position. You want >it to remain in place with the cleats on the top. (although, the more I >think about it, the less worried I'd be about that.) Nevertheless, you want >to get it pinned so you can have total piece of mind about it. > >If you or hubby or a friend is a little "handy" you should be able to drill >a hole in the socket to accommodate the pin. But like Ed has been >explaining, it's not a "clevis pin" It's a "quick pin" that has a tiny >spring-loaded ball in the leading end of it that keeps it from falling out. >That's different from a clevis which pokes all the way through and requires >a cotter pin or cotter ring through a hole in the end to hold it in >place--like the ones on your shrouds connecting to the chain plates. Some >quick pins have a push-button release mechanism on the end to ease the >little keeper ball, and others are just spring loaded and you just give them >a firm push/pull and they go in/out. That's the type you saw in the picture >of Rummy's set-up. It has a ring on the back end to get your finger through >to get a grip. With a quick pin, you won't need to drill all the way >through. You only need one hole in the socket and one hole in the bar. >Then you stick the pin in and it stays put. > >Drilling the hole might be a little tricky but doable. You'll need to >measure carefully to get the hole in the right place to line up with the >hole in the bar. Once you've got it measured and marked, you'll need to >stamp it with an punch or awl to make a little dimple or indentation. This >will provide a seat for the drill bit. Without a dimple, your drill bit >will wonder and you don't want that. But you might not be able to do this >with the mast up. You'll have to put the socket down on something solid >like a vice or the dock or something that doesn't give when you're trying to >hammer in this little dimple. I'd suggest starting with a very small drill >bit to make a tiny pilot hole first, then graduate to the larger bit. My >guess is that the hole should be approx. 1/4". To determine the right size, >first get a quick pin that fits in the traveler bar hole and go from there. >I'm guessing here, but the pin should be about 1/4' in diameter and about 1 >and 1/2" long. The length is less critical than the width. You could go as >short as 1/2". It just needs to poke through the matching holes on the top >of the assembly. > >Hope this helps, keep us posted. > >Slim > >On 6/29/05 7:18 PM, "P&M Beals" wrote: > > > >>When I get over to the boat again soon I will inspect again all around this >>time, and take a digital photo...maybe, just maybe we have missed a hole on >>the underside of the socket... >> >>I am about 30 minutes (min.) from the boat and 50 min.(yuck) in evening rush >>hour- as when we went over Tuesday. Not the best experience Tuesday...too >>much traffic, not enough sailing, a slammed head, ...the best part was >>plowing into waves under motor...the kids are happy as long as they get wet. >> >>Will keep you posted. >> >>Phyllis >> >> >> >>>From: "ed kroposki" >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:45:38 -0400 >>>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >>> >>>Phyllis: >>>You used the term 'clevis pin' referring to Rummy's picture. His >>>picture shows a quick pin with a clevis ring as I defined earlier. Have you >>>actually looked at the underside of the socket? >>>There is the possibility that there was never a pin holding the >>>traveler into the socket, but that it was held in place by the tensioning of >>>the back stay adjusters. If the tension was tight, there should be no >>>reason for separation. >>>You can help solve the mystery with a photo from the top and a photo >>>from the bottom. Do you have a digital camera? >>> >>>Ed K >>>Greenville, SC, USA >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mark Kaynor >>>Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:52 PM >>>To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >>> >>>Phyllis, >>> >>>Raven (1988) has the same setup - single holes in both the traveler bar and >>>the end caps. Try rotating the traveler until the holes line up - maybe >>>you're trying to install the traveler incorrectly. The clam cleats for the >>>traveler line go on top, if I remember correctly. >>> >>>Mark >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of P&M Beals >>>Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:19 PM >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >>> >>>Thanks ALL for your help... >>> >>>I have inspected the sockets several times...last summer and again now, >>>clearly there was never any hole there...my hunch is that Bob has hit it >>>that my model a 1986, with probably original traveler bar- the stay sockets >>>never had a hole-perhaps the screw theory might be it. I would think the >>>socket would have the hole, a short screw to go in and impress into the >>>traveler bar...but it seems the other way around... I have the hole in the >>>traveler bar, once put into the socket the hole on the traveler bar is >>>covered up by the socket! >>>Perhaps I have two different pieces from different years models, the stay >>>sockets from one vintage and the traveler bar from another... >>>There have been several owners of this boat over the years.. >>> >>>Just to assure all that the stays themselves look very solid and not worn. >>> >>>I have put in a message to Stan directly to see if he has anything to add or >>>anything I can buy from General Boats to help remedy this situation... >>> >>>Rummy, that is a great photo and clearly I can see the place where the >>>clevis pin should be. >>> >>>Thanks all. >>> >>>Phyllis >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "Robert Quinn" >>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>>Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:22:50 -0400 >>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >>>> >>>>Phyllis: Depending on the year of the boat, earlier models had "set >>>> >>>> >>>screws" >>> >>> >>>>to hold the travel bar in place. Take a look at the holes and see if >>>>you can detect screw groves. If so, the set screws are missing and >>>>need to be replaced. I do not, off hand, know the size. >>>> >>>>Later boats have holes both in the ends of the travel bar and the cap >>>>ends that the traveler bar fit into, through which clevis pins fit to >>>>hold the bar in place. I like that set up better and would recommend >>>>that you modify your set up to that system. >>>> >>>>In ten years we never needed a Loos gage. Tuned by eye (mast >>>>straight) and shrouds tightened to give a firm (but not too tight) feel. >>>> >>>>Bob on the "NoKaOi" >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "P&M Beals" >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:04 AM >>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] backstay tension/traveler bar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From rlowe at vt.edu Thu Jun 30 14:52:53 2005 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Rob Lowe) Date: Thu Jun 30 13:53:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Numbers References: <000301c577e9$c7510c30$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> <004601c57802$bebe08c0$1402a8c0@lloydpc> Message-ID: <02eb01c57d9c$8ba42dd0$58ac52c6@ehss.vt.edu> Getaway is a 76 with a standard main. Marked as follows: RC 22 249 Rob Lowe S/V Getaway ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Crowther" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Numbers > Uhuru II, a '84 Rhodes22 with a standard mainsail, has the following > information on her mainsail: > > Top: R > Next: 22 > > Lower: 402 > > Lloyd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Thorndycraft" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:50 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Numbers > > > > Blue Loon raced in her first race of the season last night and was > > informed by the race committee that we need to have numbers on the sail - > > other than R22 to be officially included in the race. Our sails have no > > numbers other than the R22 - does anyone have any numbers on their sails > > and if so, has there ever been a numbering scheme for the Rhodes? > > > > Thank you, > > Julie > > s/v Blue Loon > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 30 20:37:46 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 30 19:37:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailor's own invention to make varnishing aboard hassle-free In-Reply-To: <062420050241.21442.42BB72D5000A081E000053C222007610649B9D019F020E0C@comcast.net> References: <062420050241.21442.42BB72D5000A081E000053C222007610649B9D019F020E0C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <42C4824A.3020206@effros.com> Dear Nel, Our boats are Clorox bottles. Most of us don't even know what varnish is. Please take us off your list. What you are sending is spam as far as I'm concerned, and I don't like it. I will advise anyone who asks to not use your product, and I will encourage those who don't ask to do the same thing. Bill Effros canport@comcast.net wrote: >My name is Nel Osterwald. I do the brightwork aboard our Endeavour. After years of worry over spilling the varnish... I've invented the CAN-PORT. Now, I varnish with ease! > >I found your email address online in sailing asssociations. >Please forgive me the boldness of my unsolicited letter (it can't be spam if it's about boating!) > >I am hopeful that you will help me reach other owners of classic boats with the beauty of wood. Please open the attached page to see the CAN-PORT - and, if you think it's worthy, forward the page to other sailors. > >Word of mouth is our best advertising, and the sailing community really looks out for each other. I thank you! > >True as the wind, >Nel >First Mate and "inventor" >"Amaranth" , Endeavour 33 1983 >Port of Holland, Lake Michigan > >PS We're cruising to the North Channel and Georgian Bay in July/August! Do you wish to be on our email list? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Name: not available Type: application/pdf Size: 577026 bytes Desc: not available >Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/28/attachment.pdf > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From robertdobson777 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 21:17:53 2005 From: robertdobson777 at yahoo.com (Robert Dobson) Date: Thu Jun 30 23:17:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast raising system Message-ID: <20050701031753.42443.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kudos to stan on the mast raising system. Last fall I left all the shrouds connected and just loosely coiled the shroud up and taped them. This season when I raised the mast , the only ones I had to attach was the lower aft to the crane to winch up and then reattach to their chain plate. No Guess Work this time. I guess it does seem much simpler after a few in's and out's . The only guess I had to make was if the upper shrouds were attached outside the stanchion cord or inside. I guessed out. It is great when your are right. I do have a question as to if any one has had any problems with the strenght of the bow eye. Last year when we pulled the boat out we probably exerted way to much pressure trying to get the boat forward on the trailer. Now I notice a slight separation between the hull and the bow eye plate. I notice now because I am inspecting it . I am curious as to if others have had similar experience or difficulty with this area? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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