From flybrad at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 05:51:39 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Wed Jun 1 07:51:41 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Air Races - Mary Dilda Message-ID: <20050601115139.58435.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is an article from today's Memphis Commercial Apppeal. You've heard me talk about Mary before. I've attached the photos from the article to spare you registering with the paper to view them, but they may be small (there is no news value in actually reading the Appeal and unless you need to line a bird cage, no reason to buy a hard copy). http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local_news/article/0,1426,MCA_437_3820744,00.html Photos by Thomas Busler/The Commercial Appeal Mary Dilda, a FedEx pilot, aerobat and competitive airplane racer, will compete in the Tunica Air Races this week. Heart for flying Dashing around pylons, pilot lives for aerial thrill By Oliver Staley Contact May 31, 2005 Mary Dilda slices through the early evening air at sickening speed. The speedometer creeps up -- 200, 210, 220 mph -- as the plane screams down, hurtling toward the Olive Branch runway. As the passenger behind her turns first white, then green, Dilda banks her T6 so steeply that its left wing is sticking straight up and the tip of the right wing is just 10 feet off the ground. Her husband, standing on the ground, flickers past and Dilda pulls back hard on the stick, lifting the plane skyward, ready to do it again. After about 20 minutes Dilda is back on the ground, laughing. Her passenger is soaked with sweat and quivering, but she looks as fresh as when she climbed in the cockpit. In truth, the flight wasn't much of a workout for Dilda, a FedEx pilot, aerobat and competitive airplane racer. With the Tunica Air Races just weeks away, Dilda was tuning up her T6 Two of Hearts, a single-engine World War II propeller plane she owns with her husband, Steve, in preparation for three days of racing. A race, she said, is a mental and physical battle, with as many as six planes banking in unison around a five-mile course of pylons. "You've got planes on either side of you," she said. "It's incredible." During racing the planes are sealed to be as aerodynamic as possible, and the temperature in the cockpits climbs well past 100 degrees. The noise can be deafening and pilots fight centrifugal forces that can approach 10 Gs. And unlike in auto racing, where the drag of a car in front can help, the slipstream of another plane is no place to be. "If you get into any wake turbulence it has a tendency to knock you around," potentially into the pylons or other planes, Dilda said. "They have had planes connect and they never make it." Death is a reality in air racing. Fourteen pilots have been killed since 1964 at the Reno Air Races -- until this year the sport's only regular venue -- and given how few people compete in the extraordinarily expensive pastime, few other sports have as high a fatality rate. It's the sport's danger, though, that creates the thrills. It's why NASCAR is more exciting than track meets and why people go to the rodeo. Dilda is up front about the risk but doesn't dwell on it. "It is dangerous but these things can happen at any point in time," she said. Besides, she said, the pilots she races "are the cream of the crop." At 46, Dilda is blonde, trim and disarmingly friendly. But her ready smile belies the cut- throat instincts of a competitor. In her eight years of racing at Reno she has finished in the top five of the T6 class in all but her first year, with two second-place finishes. In 2002, flying a borrowed Czech fighter at more than 400 mph, she won the jet class, beating a field that included a pair of astronauts. Dilda has been flying since she was a teenager in rural New Mexico, tagging along with her rancher father in his Cessna. At Oklahoma State University, Dilda gave flying lessons and soon after joined the Air Force. She served for 10 years, including during the first Gulf War when she flew massive C141 cargo planes. She has been with FedEx since 1994 as a simulator instructor and more recently a cargo pilot. Racing and stunt flying followed, after she and Steve bought Two of Hearts in 1996. Steve has raced in the past but he'll serve as the "air boss" at the Tunica races, directing the planes from the ground. Her dedication to flying has resulted in some sacrifices, notably not having children. "When I was young I decided I was going to be a mother or a pilot but I couldn't do both," she said. "I give credit to all the women who do it, but gosh ..." No children, of course, means more time to spend aloft and tinkering with Two of Hearts. The plane set a T6 record of 239 mph in 2003, and in the weeks leading up to race it has been further tuned and modified. Dilda's flight over Olive Branch was to work out a new propeller. "We've done just about everything we can do to make it faster," she said back in the hangar. Now, after a rash of strong showings in Reno, Dilda's aspirations for the inaugural race in her backyard are obvious. "Knock on wood, I plan on winning," she said, smiling sweetly. -- Oliver Staley: 529-6515 Copyright 2005, commercialappeal.com - Memphis, TN. All Rights Reserved. __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. 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He always tells the story of being at an airshow with a bunch of other T6s and as he is on final for landing he hears the tower "White T6, your gear's up". Well, he looked around and thought "That fool behind me forgot to drop his gear." As he continues on down to the runway, the tower calls out "White T6, your gear's still up". He then remembers thinking, "That fool must not have his radio on, either!" Just about then he touches down on his belly and makes a nice slide down the runway. OOPS! Trivia 101. Hollywood used the T6 to re-create the Japanese Zoro for the movie "Tora! Tora! Tora!" Hank On 6/1/05, brad haslett wrote: > Here is an article from today's Memphis Commercial > Apppeal. You've heard me talk about Mary before. I've > attached the photos from the article to spare you > registering with the paper to view them, but they may > be small (there is no news value in actually reading > the Appeal and unless you need to line a bird cage, no > reason to buy a hard copy). > > http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local_news/article/0,1426,MCA_437_3820744,00.html > > > Photos by Thomas Busler/The Commercial Appeal > > Mary Dilda, a FedEx pilot, aerobat and competitive > airplane racer, will compete in the Tunica Air Races > this week. > > Heart for flying > Dashing around pylons, pilot lives for aerial thrill > > By Oliver Staley > Contact > May 31, 2005 > > Mary Dilda slices through the early evening air at > sickening speed. > > The speedometer creeps up -- 200, 210, 220 mph -- as > the plane screams down, hurtling toward the Olive > Branch runway. > > > As the passenger behind her turns first white, then > green, Dilda banks her T6 so steeply that its left > wing is sticking straight up and the tip of the right > wing is just 10 feet off the ground. > > Her husband, standing on the ground, flickers past and > Dilda pulls back hard on the stick, lifting the plane > skyward, ready to do it again. > > After about 20 minutes Dilda is back on the ground, > laughing. Her passenger is soaked with sweat and > quivering, but she looks as fresh as when she climbed > in the cockpit. > > In truth, the flight wasn't much of a workout for > Dilda, a FedEx pilot, aerobat and competitive airplane > racer. With the Tunica Air Races just weeks away, > Dilda was tuning up her T6 Two of Hearts, a > single-engine World War II propeller plane she owns > with her husband, Steve, in preparation for three days > of racing. > > A race, she said, is a mental and physical battle, > with as many as six planes banking in unison around a > five-mile course of pylons. > > "You've got planes on either side of you," she said. > "It's incredible." > > During racing the planes are sealed to be as > aerodynamic as possible, and the temperature in the > cockpits climbs well past 100 degrees. The noise can > be deafening and pilots fight centrifugal forces that > can approach 10 Gs. And unlike in auto racing, where > the drag of a car in front can help, the slipstream of > another plane is no place to be. > > "If you get into any wake turbulence it has a tendency > to knock you around," potentially into the pylons or > other planes, Dilda said. "They have had planes > connect and they never make it." > > Death is a reality in air racing. Fourteen pilots have > been killed since 1964 at the Reno Air Races -- until > this year the sport's only regular venue -- and given > how few people compete in the extraordinarily > expensive pastime, few other sports have as high a > fatality rate. > > It's the sport's danger, though, that creates the > thrills. It's why NASCAR is more exciting than track > meets and why people go to the rodeo. > > Dilda is up front about the risk but doesn't dwell on > it. > > "It is dangerous but these things can happen at any > point in time," she said. Besides, she said, the > pilots she races "are the cream of the crop." > > At 46, Dilda is blonde, trim and disarmingly friendly. > But her ready smile belies the cut- throat instincts > of a competitor. > > In her eight years of racing at Reno she has finished > in the top five of the T6 class in all but her first > year, with two second-place finishes. In 2002, flying > a borrowed Czech fighter at more than 400 mph, she won > the jet class, beating a field that included a pair of > astronauts. > > Dilda has been flying since she was a teenager in > rural New Mexico, tagging along with her rancher > father in his Cessna. At Oklahoma State University, > Dilda gave flying lessons and soon after joined the > Air Force. > > She served for 10 years, including during the first > Gulf War when she flew massive C141 cargo planes. > > She has been with FedEx since 1994 as a simulator > instructor and more recently a cargo pilot. Racing and > stunt flying followed, after she and Steve bought Two > of Hearts in 1996. Steve has raced in the past but > he'll serve as the "air boss" at the Tunica races, > directing the planes from the ground. > > Her dedication to flying has resulted in some > sacrifices, notably not having children. > > "When I was young I decided I was going to be a mother > or a pilot but I couldn't do both," she said. "I give > credit to all the women who do it, but gosh ..." > > No children, of course, means more time to spend aloft > and tinkering with Two of Hearts. > > The plane set a T6 record of 239 mph in 2003, and in > the weeks leading up to race it has been further tuned > and modified. Dilda's flight over Olive Branch was to > work out a new propeller. > > "We've done just about everything we can do to make it > faster," she said back in the hangar. > > Now, after a rash of strong showings in Reno, Dilda's > aspirations for the inaugural race in her backyard are > obvious. > > "Knock on wood, I plan on winning," she said, smiling > sweetly. > > -- Oliver Staley: 529-6515 > > Copyright 2005, commercialappeal.com - Memphis, TN. > All Rights Reserved. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html > > Name: Mary&TwoofHearts.jpg Type: image/pjpeg Size: 19008 bytes Desc: 3634816919-Mary&TwoofHearts.jpg > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/01/MaryTwoofHearts.bin > > > Name: twoofhearts.jpg Type: image/pjpeg Size: 9301 bytes Desc: 1244818517-twoofhearts.jpg > Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/01/twoofhearts.bin > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > From flybrad at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 06:47:40 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Wed Jun 1 08:47:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Air Races - Mary Dilda In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050601124740.219.qmail@web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hank, Ouch! That hurts just to think about, and expensive! Mary and her husband Steve bought their first T-6 from another of our pilots, Jimmy Gist. Steve has his own T-6 now and is President of the T-6 race association. Expensive toys but now they have several sponsers. Mac-Tools already sponsered a racer at Reno and so Snap-On picked up Mary. A semi-truck pulled up to their hangar one day and said "I got your tools". Steve explained that they didn't order any tools. Snap-on gave them about five or so fully stocked tool boxes with just about everything they make. The boxes cover the whole back wall of their hangar. Several of my co-workers that live in Texas are involved in the Confederate Air Force. Neat organization. Last week I stumbled on a company that is selling fractional ownership shares in a DC-3 for corporate use (just like Warren Buffet's company NetJets) does for corporate jets. I'd like to see someone do that for a Connie, still the sexiest transport ever built. Brad PS: While I was typing this crew scheduling called to advise me I've been bumped off tomorrows trip to EWR because training needs it. Were going sailing! Were going sailing! --- Hank wrote: > Brad, > > A friend of mine used to own a T6 in the Confederate > Airforce back in > Houston. He always tells the story of being at an > airshow with a > bunch of other T6s and as he is on final for landing > he hears the > tower "White T6, your gear's up". Well, he looked > around and thought > "That fool behind me forgot to drop his gear." As > he continues on > down to the runway, the tower calls out "White T6, > your gear's still > up". He then remembers thinking, "That fool must > not have his radio > on, either!" Just about then he touches down on his > belly and makes a > nice slide down the runway. OOPS! > > Trivia 101. Hollywood used the T6 to re-create the > Japanese Zoro for > the movie "Tora! Tora! Tora!" > > Hank > > On 6/1/05, brad haslett wrote: > > Here is an article from today's Memphis Commercial > > Apppeal. You've heard me talk about Mary before. > I've > > attached the photos from the article to spare you > > registering with the paper to view them, but they > may > > be small (there is no news value in actually > reading > > the Appeal and unless you need to line a bird > cage, no > > reason to buy a hard copy). > > > > > http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local_news/article/0,1426,MCA_437_3820744,00.html > > > > > > Photos by Thomas Busler/The Commercial Appeal > > > > Mary Dilda, a FedEx pilot, aerobat and competitive > > airplane racer, will compete in the Tunica Air > Races > > this week. > > > > Heart for flying > > Dashing around pylons, pilot lives for aerial > thrill > > > > By Oliver Staley > > Contact > > May 31, 2005 > > > > Mary Dilda slices through the early evening air at > > sickening speed. > > > > The speedometer creeps up -- 200, 210, 220 mph -- > as > > the plane screams down, hurtling toward the Olive > > Branch runway. > > > > > > As the passenger behind her turns first white, > then > > green, Dilda banks her T6 so steeply that its left > > wing is sticking straight up and the tip of the > right > > wing is just 10 feet off the ground. > > > > Her husband, standing on the ground, flickers past > and > > Dilda pulls back hard on the stick, lifting the > plane > > skyward, ready to do it again. > > > > After about 20 minutes Dilda is back on the > ground, > > laughing. Her passenger is soaked with sweat and > > quivering, but she looks as fresh as when she > climbed > > in the cockpit. > > > > In truth, the flight wasn't much of a workout for > > Dilda, a FedEx pilot, aerobat and competitive > airplane > > racer. With the Tunica Air Races just weeks away, > > Dilda was tuning up her T6 Two of Hearts, a > > single-engine World War II propeller plane she > owns > > with her husband, Steve, in preparation for three > days > > of racing. > > > > A race, she said, is a mental and physical battle, > > with as many as six planes banking in unison > around a > > five-mile course of pylons. > > > > "You've got planes on either side of you," she > said. > > "It's incredible." > > > > During racing the planes are sealed to be as > > aerodynamic as possible, and the temperature in > the > > cockpits climbs well past 100 degrees. The noise > can > > be deafening and pilots fight centrifugal forces > that > > can approach 10 Gs. And unlike in auto racing, > where > > the drag of a car in front can help, the > slipstream of > > another plane is no place to be. > > > > "If you get into any wake turbulence it has a > tendency > > to knock you around," potentially into the pylons > or > > other planes, Dilda said. "They have had planes > > connect and they never make it." > > > > Death is a reality in air racing. Fourteen pilots > have > > been killed since 1964 at the Reno Air Races -- > until > > this year the sport's only regular venue -- and > given > > how few people compete in the extraordinarily > > expensive pastime, few other sports have as high a > > fatality rate. > > > > It's the sport's danger, though, that creates the > > thrills. It's why NASCAR is more exciting than > track > > meets and why people go to the rodeo. > > > > Dilda is up front about the risk but doesn't dwell > on > > it. > > > > "It is dangerous but these things can happen at > any > > point in time," she said. Besides, she said, the > > pilots she races "are the cream of the crop." > > > > At 46, Dilda is blonde, trim and disarmingly > friendly. > > But her ready smile belies the cut- throat > instincts > > of a competitor. > > > > In her eight years of racing at Reno she has > finished > > in the top five of the T6 class in all but her > first > > year, with two second-place finishes. In 2002, > flying > > a borrowed Czech fighter at more than 400 mph, she > won > > the jet class, beating a field that included a > pair of > > astronauts. > > > > Dilda has been flying since she was a teenager in > > rural New Mexico, tagging along with her rancher > > father in his Cessna. At Oklahoma State > University, > > Dilda gave flying lessons and soon after joined > the > > Air Force. > > > > She served for 10 years, including during the > first > > Gulf War when she flew massive C141 cargo planes. > > > > She has been with FedEx since 1994 as a simulator > > instructor and more recently a cargo pilot. Racing > and > > stunt flying followed, after she and Steve bought > Two > > of Hearts in 1996. Steve has raced in the past but > > he'll serve as the "air boss" at the Tunica races, > > directing the planes from the ground. > > > > Her dedication to flying has resulted in some > > sacrifices, notably not having children. > > > > "When I was young I decided I was going to be a > mother > > or a pilot but I couldn't do both," she said. "I > give > > credit to all the women who do it, but gosh ..." > > > > No children, of course, means more time to spend > aloft > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From bill at effros.com Wed Jun 1 13:49:56 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Wed Jun 1 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test Message and Tiller Question In-Reply-To: <031201c56630$1d908100$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> References: <031201c56630$1d908100$6401a8c0@DDCZC601> Message-ID: <429DE734.3050304@effros.com> Julie, Razz was the resident varnishing expert on this list, and my personal varnishing guru. Here is his reply to your question from 2000: Rummy, I have used Pettit Ultra-V-Gold urethane reinforced varnish for the last decade or so with very good results. Its not too horrendously expensive, $23/qt in West catalog. Has that nice deep gold color and high gloss of a good traditional varnish but seems to retain its flexibility and toughness longer. I thin it just a little with Marine Penetrol for better brushing and flow. Generally do 9 coats on bare wood and a refresher coat once a year. Slow process. It works best if you let it dry for at least 24 hours between coats. The penetrol, which is mostly linseed oil slows the drying process but unlike solvent thinners doesn't reduce the coating thickness. I do a fine wet sand between coats with 220 grit wet or dry papers and a little dish washer detergent in the water. Then wipe with Pettit brushing thinner a few minutes before the next coat. The Penetrol instructions say you can skip the sanding and just wipe down with penetrol before the next coat but I have had this soften the underlying coat enough to cause problems. For me this is all a very pleasant meditative process. I much prefer this activity to cleaning buffing and waxing fiberglass. Goes great with beer or rumncoke. Razz Julie Thorndycraft wrote: > Greetings, > This message is two-part - first to test that I'm back on the list > again and second, what is the best method/product to use when > refinishing the tiller handle? > > Thanks in advance, > Julie > s/v Blue Loon > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From R22RumRunner at aol.com Wed Jun 1 21:40:30 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 1 20:40:38 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crappy weather. Message-ID: It's been raining on and off for the better part of four days now and the temps have been in the 50's. This is really beginning to cut into my sailing time. I can't wait for Saturday, the high is expected to be in the upper 80's. Very strange weather indeed for SC. Rummy From gjm at macgra.com Wed Jun 1 21:56:09 2005 From: gjm at macgra.com (Gregg J. MacMillan) Date: Wed Jun 1 20:56:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crappy weather. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very strange weather indeed for SC. Sounds like it could be another "windy" summer... --Gregg Hurricane Season Starts Today The Associated Press Wednesday, June 1, 2005; 8:50 AM FORT COLLINS, Colo. -- Today is the first day of hurricane season and the latest forecast warns it could be a busy one. A team at Colorado State University headed by William Gray says the ocean continues to heat up and that means more hurricane activity in the Atlantic. Gray's team predicts 15 named storms, Arlene through Ophelia, with eight becoming hurricanes. The team says it expects four of those to be intense, with sustained winds of at least 111 miles an hour. An earlier forecast predicted 13 named storms and seven hurricanes, three of which were expected to be intense. From anima13 at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 1 21:35:49 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Wed Jun 1 21:36:06 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crappy weather. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hate to tell you this, but I had last week off and it was 55 low and 78 highs all week. Great wind at the beginning of the week for sailing and no wind in latter week which helped me get all the buffing done!! Stainless is all polished also! Wonderful week on the lake...back to work for now. Anne -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of R22RumRunner@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:41 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crappy weather. It's been raining on and off for the better part of four days now and the temps have been in the 50's. This is really beginning to cut into my sailing time. I can't wait for Saturday, the high is expected to be in the upper 80's. Very strange weather indeed for SC. Rummy __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jwtyler at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 23:39:57 2005 From: jwtyler at gmail.com (Jay of the Black Tower) Date: Wed Jun 1 22:40:01 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction Message-ID: <69cfc57805060119397705ca1f@mail.gmail.com> Hello, My name is Jay and I have never sailed a Rhodes22. Now that I have that grevious sin confession out of the way let me say that I am in love with the boat. Madly. I saw my first Rhodes a week ago for sail in the parking lot of a church. And now I have to own one... simple. Obsessive I know but simple. This particular sweety is out of my range I am afraid. Its a 94 flawless. And they want 20-26. Which seemed excessive to me as I can get one from General for 27k. Anyhow, I am now trolling the magazines, internet etc for one in my price range. If you all have any advice for someone looking for their first Rhodes I would surely appreciate the help. This will be my first all alone sailboat purchase. Thanks all, and thanks for letting me pester ya.. out, Jay From lcrowther at cox.net Thu Jun 2 00:39:54 2005 From: lcrowther at cox.net (Lloyd Crowther) Date: Wed Jun 1 23:40:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction References: <69cfc57805060119397705ca1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01c56724$bd9a3250$1402a8c0@lloydpc> Jay, You will get a better response if you tell us where you live or where the Rhodes22 you saw goes to church. Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay of the Black Tower" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction Hello, My name is Jay and I have never sailed a Rhodes22. Now that I have that grevious sin confession out of the way let me say that I am in love with the boat. Madly. I saw my first Rhodes a week ago for sail in the parking lot of a church. And now I have to own one... simple. Obsessive I know but simple. This particular sweety is out of my range I am afraid. Its a 94 flawless. And they want 20-26. Which seemed excessive to me as I can get one from General for 27k. Anyhow, I am now trolling the magazines, internet etc for one in my price range. If you all have any advice for someone looking for their first Rhodes I would surely appreciate the help. This will be my first all alone sailboat purchase. Thanks all, and thanks for letting me pester ya.. out, Jay __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Thu Jun 2 08:15:40 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu Jun 2 07:15:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction References: <69cfc57805060119397705ca1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22d801c56764$6921cae0$6501a8c0@mjm2> some details will help. 1)where are you using it. 2)what is the real price range execpt:-), now that we are talk boats, what the price you can pay 3)any "must have" options, trailer, motor, IMF, electic motor lift, marine head, .... 4)How much work do you want to do and a more important question what is your background in marin work(theis is a detail question like glass work, wiring, rigging etc...) MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay of the Black Tower" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction Hello, My name is Jay and I have never sailed a Rhodes22. Now that I have that grevious sin confession out of the way let me say that I am in love with the boat. Madly. I saw my first Rhodes a week ago for sail in the parking lot of a church. And now I have to own one... simple. Obsessive I know but simple. This particular sweety is out of my range I am afraid. Its a 94 flawless. And they want 20-26. Which seemed excessive to me as I can get one from General for 27k. Anyhow, I am now trolling the magazines, internet etc for one in my price range. If you all have any advice for someone looking for their first Rhodes I would surely appreciate the help. This will be my first all alone sailboat purchase. Thanks all, and thanks for letting me pester ya.. out, Jay __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From sschultz at itol.com Thu Jun 2 07:24:03 2005 From: sschultz at itol.com (craig schultz) Date: Thu Jun 2 07:24:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction References: <69cfc57805060119397705ca1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <078901c56765$99ed9810$6ba53ed1@dell2350> Jay,I am selling a 1986 hull ,factory refurbished in 2000, well equipt and taken care of.It is in wisconsin.The asking price is 16,000.You may contact Craig at sschultz@itol.com for more info.Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay of the Black Tower" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Quick introduction > Hello, > My name is Jay and I have never sailed a Rhodes22. Now that I have that > grevious sin confession out of the way let me say that I am in love with > the > boat. Madly. > I saw my first Rhodes a week ago for sail in the parking lot of a church. > And now I have to own one... simple. Obsessive I know but simple. > This particular sweety is out of my range I am afraid. Its a 94 flawless. > And they want 20-26. Which seemed excessive to me as I can get one from > General for 27k. Anyhow, I am now trolling the magazines, internet etc for > one in my price range. > If you all have any advice for someone looking for their first Rhodes I > would surely appreciate the help. This will be my first all alone sailboat > purchase. > Thanks all, and thanks for letting me pester ya.. > out, > Jay > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 05:41:24 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 2 07:41:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Weather & Other Useful Diversions - Joke Message-ID: <20050602114125.83936.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For what it's worth, the weather was crappy here yesterday, ditto today. So, I wisely invested my time at the Memphis Center for Peace and Prosperity & Other Important Things instead of going to the lake. My friend the quarterback couldn't make it so I was the lone voice of reason amongst the sharks. However, two of my favorite regulars did make it, the former chair of the theatre department at U of M (and the first to produce "Hair" out of NYC, a real controversy in Memphis) and a local actor that has had small parts in about 30 movies. The actor is currently producing a play about an Irishman who decides to commit suicide and forgoes the shotgun for drinking himself to death. Someone made the motion that since no one at the bar, er, I mean Center, was particularly interested in Peace or Prosperity that day, we tell all the Irish drinking jokes we coud think of. Here's the winner. -------------------------------------- Sean is walking down the beach and picks-up an unusual looking bottle and uncorks it. A genie pops out and offers Sean two wishes. Sean thinks for a moment and says "I want a bottomless glass of Guiness". Poof! He instantly is holding a pint of Guiness and drinks heartily for several hours. The genie finally gets frustrated and asks, "don't you want your other wish?" "Yeah, I'll have another one of these!" __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From hnw555 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 08:57:07 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Thu Jun 2 07:57:10 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Weather & Other Useful Diversions - Joke In-Reply-To: <20050602114125.83936.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050602114125.83936.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This reminds me of my favorite Guinness joke... During a brewmaster's convention the brewmasters for Budweiser, Miller and Guinness all go out to lunch together. The waitress asks for their drink order and the brewmaster from Budweiser says, "I'll have a Budweiser Select." The Brewmaster from Miller says "Bring me a Miller Genuine Draft." and then the Brewmaster from Guinness says, "Bring me an ice tea." The other two guys look at him rather strangely, so the Guinness Brewmaster says, "Well, if you fellows aren't going to drink beer, then I won't either!" On 6/2/05, brad haslett wrote: > For what it's worth, the weather was crappy here > yesterday, ditto today. So, I wisely invested my time > at the Memphis Center for Peace and Prosperity & Other > Important Things instead of going to the lake. My > friend the quarterback couldn't make it so I was the > lone voice of reason amongst the sharks. However, two > of my favorite regulars did make it, the former chair > of the theatre department at U of M (and the first to > produce "Hair" out of NYC, a real controversy in > Memphis) and a local actor that has had small parts in > about 30 movies. The actor is currently producing a > play about an Irishman who decides to commit suicide > and forgoes the shotgun for drinking himself to death. > Someone made the motion that since no one at the bar, > er, I mean Center, was particularly interested in > Peace or Prosperity that day, we tell all the Irish > drinking jokes we coud think of. Here's the winner. > > -------------------------------------- > > Sean is walking down the beach and picks-up an unusual > looking bottle and uncorks it. > > A genie pops out and offers Sean two wishes. > > Sean thinks for a moment and says "I want a > bottomless glass of Guiness". Poof! He instantly is > holding a pint of Guiness and drinks heartily for > several hours. > > The genie finally gets frustrated and asks, "don't you > want your other wish?" > > "Yeah, I'll have another one of these!" > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 06:18:19 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:18:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Weather & Other Useful Diversions - Joke In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050602121819.35143.qmail@web32909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hank, That joke reminds me of when I flew for Coca-Cola Bottling of South Arkansas, the owner, Ferdinand Magellan Bellingrath (how would you like to go through life with that handle), would make me order a Coke in places that he knew Pepsi had the contract when we went to dinner together. If they said "would Pepsi be OK?", or served Pepsi and didn't say anything, I was supposed to make a scene and then order ice tea. That lasted for about a week and I explained to Ferd that my job was to fly his jet, he could play all the silly games he wanted without my assistance. But anyway, here is an Australian spin on your joke. Why do the Australians think American beer is like having sex on a sailboat? Both are f%$#king near water! Brad --- Hank wrote: > This reminds me of my favorite Guinness joke... > > During a brewmaster's convention the brewmasters for > Budweiser, Miller > and Guinness all go out to lunch together. The > waitress asks for > their drink order and the brewmaster from Budweiser > says, "I'll have a > Budweiser Select." The Brewmaster from Miller says > "Bring me a Miller > Genuine Draft." and then the Brewmaster from > Guinness says, "Bring me > an ice tea." The other two guys look at him rather > strangely, so the > Guinness Brewmaster says, "Well, if you fellows > aren't going to drink > beer, then I won't either!" > > On 6/2/05, brad haslett wrote: > > For what it's worth, the weather was crappy here > > yesterday, ditto today. So, I wisely invested my > time > > at the Memphis Center for Peace and Prosperity & > Other > > Important Things instead of going to the lake. My > > friend the quarterback couldn't make it so I was > the > > lone voice of reason amongst the sharks. However, > two > > of my favorite regulars did make it, the former > chair > > of the theatre department at U of M (and the first > to > > produce "Hair" out of NYC, a real controversy in > > Memphis) and a local actor that has had small > parts in > > about 30 movies. The actor is currently producing > a > > play about an Irishman who decides to commit > suicide > > and forgoes the shotgun for drinking himself to > death. > > Someone made the motion that since no one at the > bar, > > er, I mean Center, was particularly interested in > > Peace or Prosperity that day, we tell all the > Irish > > drinking jokes we coud think of. Here's the > winner. > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > Sean is walking down the beach and picks-up an > unusual > > looking bottle and uncorks it. > > > > A genie pops out and offers Sean two wishes. > > > > Sean thinks for a moment and says "I want a > > bottomless glass of Guiness". Poof! He instantly > is > > holding a pint of Guiness and drinks heartily for > > several hours. > > > > The genie finally gets frustrated and asks, "don't > you > > want your other wish?" > > > > "Yeah, I'll have another one of these!" > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news > and more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 2 09:21:08 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:21:17 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay In-Reply-To: <22d801c56764$6921cae0$6501a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: <000001c5676d$8eb770d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Jay, We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do for a sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a religious experience or guilt trip? Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. Have you explored the archives of this site? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 2 09:43:25 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:43:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diet Coke with Splenda Message-ID: <429EFEED.5000807@effros.com> I don't like it. Bill Effros From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 09:45:59 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:46:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test Message and Tiller Question In-Reply-To: <429CF19F.8040704@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Rik, Charlie gives food advice. That guy is a master craftsman for sure. Thier Rhodes Meridian is really something special. For those on this list that don't frequent the TSBB. CJ and his wife fully restored a trashed Rhodes Meridian. It is in better than new shape with some major modifications. Rhodes sure designed some sweet boats. I use Z Spar Flagship on my wooden Bantam. It is good stuff. Wally >From: Rik Sandberg >Reply-To: sanderico@earthlink.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Test Message and Tiller Question >Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:22:07 -0500 > >Hi Julie, > >It's working :-) > >I asked the same question on the trailer sailor board and Charlie Jones, >who is a wizard with wood, recommended Z-Spar, Flagship, 2015 from Pettit. >He told me it has the highest UV protection and lasts longer than anything >else he has come across. One hint he gave me was to thin the first coat >about 50% with 100% mineral spirits. > >I'll be doing my tiller and rudder heads sometime this summer too. > >Rik > >Julie Thorndycraft wrote: > >>Greetings, >>This message is two-part - first to test that I'm back on the list again >>and second, what is the best method/product to use when refinishing the >>tiller handle? >> >>Thanks in advance, >>Julie >>s/v Blue Loon >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Thu Jun 2 09:48:27 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:48:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diet Coke with Splenda Message-ID: <1c0.29dbf5c5.2fd05a1b@aol.com> You have got to be kidding. This stuff is great. Have you tried it with Rum? Rummy From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 2 09:48:37 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:48:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad - Air Conditioning In-Reply-To: <20050530121833.71255.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050530121833.71255.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <429F0025.30606@effros.com> How about hoisting the generator up the mast? It only weighs 20 something pounds. You could connect the output to your shore power input. Bill Effros Always trying to help. brad haslett wrote: >Bill, > >I hadn't really thought about it that way. What's the >name of that new Jane Fonda flick? > >Here's what I had in mind, found this on an RV site. > >http://www.magnacoach.com/genturi.html > >The people that flock to NASCAR races have the same >problem, lots of RVs in close proximity with exhaust >gasses down low. In fact, the RV market has had some >cases of sucking generator fumes in open windows. >That's why most keep CO alarms on board. > >Frankly, I'm more than happy to spend overnights at >the dock. This research is more for my friend Ken and >his anticipated boat purchase. He's already survived >being hit by a train, running his airplane out of gas, >and at least one jealous husband. He'll be fine! > >Brad > >--- Bill Effros wrote: > > > >>Brad, >> >>I see your point. It appears there are only about 2 >>deaths a year from >>carbon monoxide poisoning in airplanes, and you >>would normally have 3 on >>board, so your odds of everyone on board dying in a >>single incident in a >>single year look pretty remote. >> >>On the other hand, the FAA frowns on airplane >>exhaust systems that rely >>on coffee can masks and lines holding hoses up >>masts. >> >>Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, the >>stifling heat and lack of >>wind are God's way of telling you that a given day >>with your family >>might better be spent at an air conditioned movie? >> >>Bill >> >>brad haslett wrote: >> >> >> >>>Bill, >>> >>>"Children and small wives die faster?" I hadn't >>>really thought of that but there may be a business >>>opportunity here. >>> >>>Actually I'm well aware of the dangers of carbon >>>monoxide risks, remember, my first job in the >>> >>> >>aviation >> >> >>>industry was as an airframe and powerplant >>> >>> >>mechanic. >> >> >>>Small airplanes use a shroud around the muffler to >>>warm ambient air and pump it into the cabin. Any >>> >>> >>leak >> >> >>>in the muffler provides a straight flow of exhaust >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>the cockpit. >>> >>>My boat doesn't have an in-cabin location that >>> >>> >>would >> >> >>>be suitable for locating a genset without using up >>> >>> >>too >> >> >>>much space or being to noisy (same as the R-22). >>> >>> >>The >> >> >>>only logical location for the Honda would be >>> >>> >>topsides. >> >> >>>On larger boats, sailboats included, the genset >>>exhausts via an underwater thru-hull, same as the >>>engine. The bulk of the deaths from gensets have >>> >>> >>been >> >> >>>on houseboats that port exhaust near a swim >>> >>> >>platform >> >> >>>where it accumulates. The beauty of Bob's design >>> >>> >>is >> >> >>>that it takes the exhaust up high where it would >>>dissapate. The attraction of mounting the Honda in >>> >>> >>an >> >> >>>industrial storage bin or cooler is to quiet it >>> >>> >>even >> >> >>>more but might require installing a cooling air >>> >>> >>intake >> >> >>>fan and perhaps an exhaust fan as well. Really >>> >>> >>pretty >> >> >>>simple stuff. >>> >>>We motored today for about an hour until the wind >>>picked up. My little 13hp diesel starts to smell >>> >>> >>in >> >> >>>the cabin after awhile. There are no exhaust >>> >>> >>leaks, >> >> >>>diesels just stink (unless they are running on used >>>french fry oil). I think I'm going to put in a >>>powered fan in the engine compartment anyway. The >>>only time the Honda would be used at anchor is when >>>the A/C is running so there would be a constant >>> >>> >>source >> >> >>>of fresh air. >>> >>>Trust me, before I take small children on the boat >>>overnight, I'll test any system extensively with a >>>carbon monoxide meter. Wives, mine or anyone >>> >>> >>else's >> >> >>>are welcome to dedicate their body to science if >>>they're interested. >>> >>>Brad >>> >>>--- Bill Effros wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Brad, >>>> >>>>Roger would have leapt to my aid by now. I've got >>>>to look this stuff >>>>up, it's not just swimming in my head. (People >>>> >>>> >>who >> >> >>>>dislike satire, stop >>>>reading this paragraph.) You don't want to change >>>>the name of your boat >>>>to R.I.P. >>>> >>>>Carbon monoxide is insidious because it has a >>>>cumulative effect over >>>>time. The time can be very short--like one night. >>>> >>>> >>>>You can't see or >>>>smell carbon monoxide. Each particle that gets >>>> >>>> >>into >> >> >>>>your lungs becomes >>>>attached to a blood cell, and prevents that blood >>>>cell from delivering >>>>oxygen to the other cells in your system--instead >>>> >>>> >>it >> >> >>>>delivers the carbon >>>>monoxide. Your system quietly starts shutting >>>> >>>> >>down >> >> >>>>for lack of "air," >>>>but if you're asleep you don't notice. Children >>>> >>>> >>and >> >> >>>>small wives die >>>>faster than big guys because they have fewer cells >>>>so they shut down >>>>sooner. You accidentally pump enough of that >>>> >>>> >>stuff >> >> >>>>into your cabin, you >>>>can die in 1 to 3 minutes. (More satire to end of >>>>paragraph.) "Hey >>>>honey, is it getting cool down there?" >>>> >>>>Carbon monoxide kills entire families in big >>>> >>>> >>houses >> >> >>>>all the time. >>>>Roughly 1500-2000 people a year die in the US from >>>>carbon monoxide >>>>poisoning, almost all of them when something goes >>>>wrong in an existing, >>>>professionally installed, certified exhaust >>>> >>>> >>system. >> >> >>>>Now, you guys are talking about protecting >>>>yourselves with coffee cans, >>>>shop hoses, and coolers. You plan to enclose your >>>>family in a tiny >>>>space, close all the windows, and recirculate >>>> >>>> >>cooled >> >> >>>>air in that space >>>>so any carbon monoxide that may have missed your >>>>lungs the first time >>>>around, will get another chance. >>>> >>>>Brad, I really don't think you are going to do >>>> >>>> >>this. >> >> >>>>BTW Putting an exhaust hose into water is a really >>>>really bad idea. It >>>>creates back pressure that the engine is not >>>>designed for. This will >>>>shorten the life of the engine, but more >>>> >>>> >>importantly >> >> >>>>in this >>>>application, it will cause improper combustion >>>> >>>> >>which >> >> >>>>increases carbon >>>>monoxide output. The back pressure will also >>>> >>>> >>damage >> >> >>>>the exhaust system >>>>causing it to leak above the water line. >>>> >>>>Your Friend, >>>> >>>>Bill Effros >>>> >>>>brad haslett wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Bill, >>>>> >>>>>Nope, we're dead serious. Well, maybe that is a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>bad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>choice of words. There was a spate of carbon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>monoxide >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>deaths out on Lake Havasau a few years back with >>>>>houseboats and carbon monoxide gathering under >>>>> >>>>> >>the >> >> >>>>>swim platform. A lot of people on other boating >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 2 09:54:35 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 2 08:54:48 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diet Coke with Splenda In-Reply-To: <1c0.29dbf5c5.2fd05a1b@aol.com> References: <1c0.29dbf5c5.2fd05a1b@aol.com> Message-ID: <429F018B.7040209@effros.com> I tried it because you mentioned it. I always judge a drink on its merits, not mixed. Too sweet for me. Like "New Coke". Bill Effros However, I must say you are passionate on this issue. Your response set the modern record for speedy replies. I think it showed up in my mailbox before my original message got there. R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: >You have got to be kidding. This stuff is great. Have you tried it with Rum? > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 07:06:35 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 2 09:06:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad - Air Conditioning In-Reply-To: <429F0025.30606@effros.com> Message-ID: <20050602130635.72852.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, That's brilliant, so simple and so, Jed Clampett! I love it. Click this for your present for your creative thinking. http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=QXGHPJ4WV9C49LFK12RG26XCJNN5BVS6&sitetype=1&did=4&sid=40533&whichpage=1&sortBy=popular&keyword=cats+box§ion=cartoons Brad --- Bill Effros wrote: > How about hoisting the generator up the mast? > > It only weighs 20 something pounds. > > You could connect the output to your shore power > input. > > Bill Effros > > Always trying to help. > > brad haslett wrote: > > >Bill, > > > >I hadn't really thought about it that way. What's > the > >name of that new Jane Fonda flick? > > > >Here's what I had in mind, found this on an RV > site. > > > >http://www.magnacoach.com/genturi.html > > > >The people that flock to NASCAR races have the same > >problem, lots of RVs in close proximity with > exhaust > >gasses down low. In fact, the RV market has had > some > >cases of sucking generator fumes in open windows. > >That's why most keep CO alarms on board. > > > >Frankly, I'm more than happy to spend overnights at > >the dock. This research is more for my friend Ken > and > >his anticipated boat purchase. He's already > survived > >being hit by a train, running his airplane out of > gas, > >and at least one jealous husband. He'll be fine! > > > >Brad > > > >--- Bill Effros wrote: > > > > > > > >>Brad, > >> > >>I see your point. It appears there are only about > 2 > >>deaths a year from > >>carbon monoxide poisoning in airplanes, and you > >>would normally have 3 on > >>board, so your odds of everyone on board dying in > a > >>single incident in a > >>single year look pretty remote. > >> > >>On the other hand, the FAA frowns on airplane > >>exhaust systems that rely > >>on coffee can masks and lines holding hoses up > >>masts. > >> > >>Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, the > >>stifling heat and lack of > >>wind are God's way of telling you that a given day > >>with your family > >>might better be spent at an air conditioned movie? > >> > >>Bill > >> > >>brad haslett wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Bill, > >>> > >>>"Children and small wives die faster?" I hadn't > >>>really thought of that but there may be a > business > >>>opportunity here. > >>> > >>>Actually I'm well aware of the dangers of carbon > >>>monoxide risks, remember, my first job in the > >>> > >>> > >>aviation > >> > >> > >>>industry was as an airframe and powerplant > >>> > >>> > >>mechanic. > >> > >> > >>>Small airplanes use a shroud around the muffler > to > >>>warm ambient air and pump it into the cabin. Any > >>> > >>> > >>leak > >> > >> > >>>in the muffler provides a straight flow of > exhaust > >>> > >>> > >>to > >> > >> > >>>the cockpit. > >>> > >>>My boat doesn't have an in-cabin location that > >>> > >>> > >>would > >> > >> > >>>be suitable for locating a genset without using > up > >>> > >>> > >>too > >> > >> > >>>much space or being to noisy (same as the R-22). > >>> > >>> > >>The > >> > >> > >>>only logical location for the Honda would be > >>> > >>> > >>topsides. > >> > >> > >>>On larger boats, sailboats included, the genset > >>>exhausts via an underwater thru-hull, same as the > >>>engine. The bulk of the deaths from gensets have > >>> > >>> > >>been > >> > >> > >>>on houseboats that port exhaust near a swim > >>> > >>> > >>platform > >> > >> > >>>where it accumulates. The beauty of Bob's design > >>> > >>> > >>is > >> > >> > >>>that it takes the exhaust up high where it would > >>>dissapate. The attraction of mounting the Honda > in > >>> > >>> > >>an > >> > >> > >>>industrial storage bin or cooler is to quiet it > >>> > >>> > >>even > >> > >> > >>>more but might require installing a cooling air > >>> > >>> > >>intake > >> > >> > >>>fan and perhaps an exhaust fan as well. Really > >>> > >>> > >>pretty > >> > >> > >>>simple stuff. > >>> > >>>We motored today for about an hour until the wind > >>>picked up. My little 13hp diesel starts to smell > >>> > >>> > >>in > >> > >> > >>>the cabin after awhile. There are no exhaust > >>> > >>> > >>leaks, > >> > >> > >>>diesels just stink (unless they are running on > used > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 2 10:51:56 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 2 09:52:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad - Air Conditioning In-Reply-To: <20050602130635.72852.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050602130635.72852.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <429F0EFC.5010103@effros.com> Thanks, A lot of people think I am the box. Bill Effros brad haslett wrote: >Bill, > >That's brilliant, so simple and so, Jed Clampett! I >love it. Click this for your present for your >creative thinking. > >http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=QXGHPJ4WV9C49LFK12RG26XCJNN5BVS6&sitetype=1&did=4&sid=40533&whichpage=1&sortBy=popular&keyword=cats+box§ion=cartoons > >Brad > >--- Bill Effros wrote: > > > >>How about hoisting the generator up the mast? >> >>It only weighs 20 something pounds. >> >>You could connect the output to your shore power >>input. >> >>Bill Effros >> >>Always trying to help. >> >>brad haslett wrote: >> >> >> >>>Bill, >>> >>>I hadn't really thought about it that way. What's >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>name of that new Jane Fonda flick? >>> >>>Here's what I had in mind, found this on an RV >>> >>> >>site. >> >> >>>http://www.magnacoach.com/genturi.html >>> >>>The people that flock to NASCAR races have the same >>>problem, lots of RVs in close proximity with >>> >>> >>exhaust >> >> >>>gasses down low. In fact, the RV market has had >>> >>> >>some >> >> >>>cases of sucking generator fumes in open windows. >>>That's why most keep CO alarms on board. >>> >>>Frankly, I'm more than happy to spend overnights at >>>the dock. This research is more for my friend Ken >>> >>> >>and >> >> >>>his anticipated boat purchase. He's already >>> >>> >>survived >> >> >>>being hit by a train, running his airplane out of >>> >>> >>gas, >> >> >>>and at least one jealous husband. He'll be fine! >>> >>>Brad >>> >>>--- Bill Effros wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Brad, >>>> >>>>I see your point. It appears there are only about >>>> >>>> >>2 >> >> >>>>deaths a year from >>>>carbon monoxide poisoning in airplanes, and you >>>>would normally have 3 on >>>>board, so your odds of everyone on board dying in >>>> >>>> >>a >> >> >>>>single incident in a >>>>single year look pretty remote. >>>> >>>>On the other hand, the FAA frowns on airplane >>>>exhaust systems that rely >>>>on coffee can masks and lines holding hoses up >>>>masts. >>>> >>>>Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, the >>>>stifling heat and lack of >>>>wind are God's way of telling you that a given day >>>>with your family >>>>might better be spent at an air conditioned movie? >>>> >>>>Bill >>>> >>>>brad haslett wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Bill, >>>>> >>>>>"Children and small wives die faster?" I hadn't >>>>>really thought of that but there may be a >>>>> >>>>> >>business >> >> >>>>>opportunity here. >>>>> >>>>>Actually I'm well aware of the dangers of carbon >>>>>monoxide risks, remember, my first job in the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>aviation >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>industry was as an airframe and powerplant >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>mechanic. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Small airplanes use a shroud around the muffler >>>>> >>>>> >>to >> >> >>>>>warm ambient air and pump it into the cabin. Any >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>leak >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>in the muffler provides a straight flow of >>>>> >>>>> >>exhaust >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>the cockpit. >>>>> >>>>>My boat doesn't have an in-cabin location that >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>would >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>be suitable for locating a genset without using >>>>> >>>>> >>up >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>too >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>much space or being to noisy (same as the R-22). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>The >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>only logical location for the Honda would be >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>topsides. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On larger boats, sailboats included, the genset >>>>>exhausts via an underwater thru-hull, same as the >>>>>engine. The bulk of the deaths from gensets have >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>been >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>on houseboats that port exhaust near a swim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>platform >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>where it accumulates. The beauty of Bob's design >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>is >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>that it takes the exhaust up high where it would >>>>>dissapate. The attraction of mounting the Honda >>>>> >>>>> >>in >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>an >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>industrial storage bin or cooler is to quiet it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>even >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>more but might require installing a cooling air >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>intake >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>fan and perhaps an exhaust fan as well. Really >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>pretty >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>simple stuff. >>>>> >>>>>We motored today for about an hour until the wind >>>>>picked up. My little 13hp diesel starts to smell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>the cabin after awhile. There are no exhaust >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>leaks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>diesels just stink (unless they are running on >>>>> >>>>> >>used >> >> >> >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 09:08:03 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu Jun 2 11:08:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crappy weather. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050602150803.80954.qmail@web31805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That the way the end of last week & last weekend was for me, Rummy. This weekend is looking better but I am stuck going to a wedding of one of Marilyn friends. I tried to just send a gift but Marilyn wanted nothing to do with that. Looks like my weekend is blown!!!! Steve --- R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: > It's been raining on and off for the better part of > four days now and the > temps have been in the 50's. This is really > beginning to cut into my sailing > time. I can't wait for Saturday, the high is > expected to be in the upper 80's. > Very strange weather indeed for SC. > > Rummy > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 2 14:11:13 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 2 14:11:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay In-Reply-To: <000001c5676d$8eb770d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: > So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a > religious experience or guilt trip? Now THAT'S funny! From gjm at macgra.com Thu Jun 2 17:13:10 2005 From: gjm at macgra.com (Gregg J. MacMillan) Date: Thu Jun 2 16:13:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam Message-ID: You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture 17 for sale. I have it listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This is different than selling at auction...it just sits there until someone buys it) The reason for the post is the increasing number of scam emails I receive...about three each day...like the ones below. It is becoming a real problem trying to sell higher priced items on ebay, especially at auction. You go thru the whole auction process and then it turns out that one of these scam artists is the winning bidder. The scam is that the certified check they send you is counterfeit, but that may not show up for a week or so. In the mean time, you've sent them the "shipping fee". Anyway, just something to watch out for if you are planning to sell a boat online, or know someone who is. --Gregg (they're actually sort of funny to read) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++ Hello Gregg, Am okay with the price $2500 if is in condition, regarding payment i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to make payment easier and faster is to instruct him procure a certisfied check what of $6000 and mail it to you on the address and name you want on the check and you know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to clear in the U.s.bank. But i would want to know if i can trust you to send back the balance to my shipper cos i like to make use of my own shipper who will be coming for the pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your location, can i trust you to transfering the balance to my shipper via western union money transfer the money must have cleared in your bank to enable him to arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in your location.But can I trust you for my balance? cause the balance of $3500 will be send to my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like you to forward me your full name in which the cheque will be made out to and also your full contact address to where the cheque will be sent to. so that i can forward it to my client to issue you the cheque immediately. your prompt responce will be of high intensity. best regards. james steve +++++ Good Day i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, genoa boat $2,500 )I will like to know if you would accept a certified cashier check for the payment,so i will want to get back to me with the (A) the reason why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i want you to get back to me with your full name and address including your phone number is also needed in which payment will be sent to .i have a shipping company who takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother about the shippment.I will also like to know if is still in good condition and shape.urgent response is needed for procedure of payment regard walker +++++++ Hello, My name is kim doyle,I was browsing across your advert that you are about selling your larger boat just want to know if it he still avaliable forsale becos i am really interested in buying it,so i will want you send me the pics and i will also like u to tell me your final asking price and its present condition bcos am really interested in buying it..... Await your response in moving this transaction forward. Regards kim doyle +++++++ Hello, can i know more about this item,and i would like you to let me know the condition,because a client is very interested in buying and she as authorise me to handel this sales so as for the payment would you accept check or a bank transfer directly to your account let me know and forward your full address so that payment can be made. -- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 mailto:gjm@macgra.com http://www.macgra.com _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From R22RumRunner at aol.com Thu Jun 2 20:36:01 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 2 19:36:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam Message-ID: <1ac.39901ee5.2fd0f1e1@aol.com> Why isn't E Bay shutting these assholes down? Rummy.....inquiring minds want to know. From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 18:07:59 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 2 20:08:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050603000759.13851.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greg, My experience with e-bay has been a mixed bag. I bought a conversion van on e-bay at a steal, the lowest bidder but below the reserve - worked a private deal with the car dealership. I followed that transaction with a purchase of a sewing machine. The seller shorted me the power cord. When I politely requested that he send me the cord, all hell broke loose. It was obviously a scam transaction. I filed a complaint and mediation action with e-bay. What a joke. After a while you get tired corresponding with Fatima in India and realize that e-bay doesn't give a shit as long as you don't sue them. The whole concept is a good idea but there are plenty of crooks on e-bay, and e-bay isn't going to do jack until they are sued. Most times it isn't worth it and they know it. I have also purchased a dingy and auto-pilot on e-bay and was pleasantly suprised with the transaction. It all depends on the seller. Buyer beware. If I ever get a chance to get my hands on the faggot that goes by the name of "felix-the-cat" I'll beat the living shit out of him. Then I'll think of somthing really mean to do. Happy e-baying! Brad --- "Gregg J. MacMillan" wrote: > > You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture 17 > for sale. I have it > listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This is > different than > selling at auction...it just sits there until > someone buys it) > > The reason for the post is the increasing number > of scam emails I > receive...about three each day...like the ones > below. It is becoming a > real problem trying to sell higher priced items > on ebay, especially at > auction. You go thru the whole auction process > and then it turns out > that one of these scam artists is the winning > bidder. > > The scam is that the certified check they send > you is counterfeit, but > that may not show up for a week or so. In the > mean time, you've sent > them the "shipping fee". > > Anyway, just something to watch out for if you > are planning to sell a > boat online, or know someone who is. > > --Gregg > > (they're actually sort of funny to read) > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ++++ > > Hello Gregg, > > Am okay with the price $2500 if is in condition, > regarding payment > i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to > make payment > easier and faster is to instruct him procure a > certisfied check what > of > $6000 and mail it to you on the address and name > you want on the check > and you > know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to > clear in the U.s.bank. > But i > would want to know if i can trust you to send > back the balance to my > shipper > cos i like to make use of my own shipper who will > be coming for the > pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your > location, can i trust you > to transfering the balance to my shipper via > western union money > transfer the money must have cleared in your bank > to enable him to > arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in your > location.But can I > trust you for my balance? cause the balance of > $3500 will be send to > my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like you > to forward me your > full name in which the cheque will be made out to > and also your full > contact address to where the cheque will be sent > to. so that i can > forward it to my client to issue you the cheque > immediately. your > prompt responce will be of high intensity. > > best regards. > > james steve > > +++++ > > Good Day > i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, > genoa boat $2,500 )I > will like to know if you would accept a certified > cashier check for > the payment,so i will want to get back to me > with the (A) the reason > why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i want > you to get back to me > with your full name and address including your > phone number is also > needed in which payment will be sent to .i have a > shipping company who > takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother > about the shippment.I > will also like to know if is still in good > condition and shape.urgent > response is needed for procedure of payment > regard > > walker > > +++++++ > > Hello, > My name is kim doyle,I was browsing across > your advert that you are > about selling your larger boat just want to know > if it he still > avaliable forsale becos i am really interested in > buying it,so i will > want you send me the pics and i will also like u > to tell me your final > asking price and its present condition bcos am > really interested in > buying it..... > Await your response in moving this transaction > forward. > Regards > > kim doyle > > +++++++ > > Hello, > > can i know more about this item,and i would > like you to let me know > the condition,because a client is very interested > in buying and she as > authorise me to handel this sales so as for the > payment would you > accept check or a bank transfer directly to your > account let me know > and forward your full address so that payment can > be made. > > -- > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s > > 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 > > 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 > > mailto:gjm@macgra.com > > http://www.macgra.com > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From saroj at pathfind.net Thu Jun 2 21:13:25 2005 From: saroj at pathfind.net (Saroj Gilbert) Date: Thu Jun 2 20:13:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam References: <20050603000759.13851.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02d701c567d1$0fc260f0$9ad76044@Buddha> Maybe "felix-the-cat" is a pseudonym for Felix Fig.. ever think of that? He's found you and is tormenting all of us now. I wonder if another bidder got the cord and no machine? Saroj ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad haslett" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam > Greg, > > My experience with e-bay has been a mixed bag. I > bought a conversion van on e-bay at a steal, the > lowest bidder but below the reserve - worked a private > deal with the car dealership. I followed that > transaction with a purchase of a sewing machine. The > seller shorted me the power cord. When I politely > requested that he send me the cord, all hell broke > loose. It was obviously a scam transaction. I filed > a complaint and mediation action with e-bay. What a > joke. After a while you get tired corresponding with > Fatima in India and realize that e-bay doesn't give a > shit as long as you don't sue them. The whole concept > is a good idea but there are plenty of crooks on > e-bay, and e-bay isn't going to do jack until they are > sued. Most times it isn't worth it and they know it. > I have also purchased a dingy and auto-pilot on e-bay > and was pleasantly suprised with the transaction. It > all depends on the seller. Buyer beware. If I ever > get a chance to get my hands on the faggot that goes > by the name of "felix-the-cat" I'll beat the living > shit out of him. Then I'll think of somthing really > mean to do. Happy e-baying! > > Brad > > --- "Gregg J. MacMillan" wrote: > >> >> You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture 17 >> for sale. I have it >> listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This is >> different than >> selling at auction...it just sits there until >> someone buys it) >> >> The reason for the post is the increasing number >> of scam emails I >> receive...about three each day...like the ones >> below. It is becoming a >> real problem trying to sell higher priced items >> on ebay, especially at >> auction. You go thru the whole auction process >> and then it turns out >> that one of these scam artists is the winning >> bidder. >> >> The scam is that the certified check they send >> you is counterfeit, but >> that may not show up for a week or so. In the >> mean time, you've sent >> them the "shipping fee". >> >> Anyway, just something to watch out for if you >> are planning to sell a >> boat online, or know someone who is. >> >> --Gregg >> >> (they're actually sort of funny to read) >> >> >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> ++++ >> >> Hello Gregg, >> >> Am okay with the price $2500 if is in condition, >> regarding payment >> i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to >> make payment >> easier and faster is to instruct him procure a >> certisfied check what >> of >> $6000 and mail it to you on the address and name >> you want on the check >> and you >> know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to >> clear in the U.s.bank. >> But i >> would want to know if i can trust you to send >> back the balance to my >> shipper >> cos i like to make use of my own shipper who will >> be coming for the >> pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your >> location, can i trust you >> to transfering the balance to my shipper via >> western union money >> transfer the money must have cleared in your bank >> to enable him to >> arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in your >> location.But can I >> trust you for my balance? cause the balance of >> $3500 will be send to >> my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like you >> to forward me your >> full name in which the cheque will be made out to >> and also your full >> contact address to where the cheque will be sent >> to. so that i can >> forward it to my client to issue you the cheque >> immediately. your >> prompt responce will be of high intensity. >> >> best regards. >> >> james steve >> >> +++++ >> >> Good Day >> i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, >> genoa boat $2,500 )I >> will like to know if you would accept a certified >> cashier check for >> the payment,so i will want to get back to me >> with the (A) the reason >> why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i want >> you to get back to me >> with your full name and address including your >> phone number is also >> needed in which payment will be sent to .i have a >> shipping company who >> takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother >> about the shippment.I >> will also like to know if is still in good >> condition and shape.urgent >> response is needed for procedure of payment >> regard >> >> walker >> >> +++++++ >> >> Hello, >> My name is kim doyle,I was browsing across >> your advert that you are >> about selling your larger boat just want to know >> if it he still >> avaliable forsale becos i am really interested in >> buying it,so i will >> want you send me the pics and i will also like u >> to tell me your final >> asking price and its present condition bcos am >> really interested in >> buying it..... >> Await your response in moving this transaction >> forward. >> Regards >> >> kim doyle >> >> +++++++ >> >> Hello, >> >> can i know more about this item,and i would >> like you to let me know >> the condition,because a client is very interested >> in buying and she as >> authorise me to handel this sales so as for the >> payment would you >> accept check or a bank transfer directly to your >> account let me know >> and forward your full address so that payment can >> be made. >> >> -- >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >> M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s >> >> 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 >> >> 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 >> >> mailto:gjm@macgra.com >> >> http://www.macgra.com >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >> www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From gjm at macgra.com Thu Jun 2 21:17:15 2005 From: gjm at macgra.com (Gregg J. MacMillan) Date: Thu Jun 2 20:17:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam In-Reply-To: <1ac.39901ee5.2fd0f1e1@aol.com> References: <1ac.39901ee5.2fd0f1e1@aol.com> Message-ID: >Why isn't E Bay shutting these assholes down? > >Rummy.....inquiring minds want to know. +++++ eBay does shut them down when they are reported. The problem is they just open a new Yahoo email account, signup with eBay again, and they are back in business. Also, since almost all of these people are from out of the country, it's hard to do anything about it. Often, they don't even go thru eBay. They browse eBay for items like boats for sale, then contact you directly if they can get your email address. I have mine in the description because I don't mind if legitimate buyers contact me that way. They also get on mail lists (like this one with names like felix fig with a Yahoo account) and "listen" for boats for sale. --Gregg From gjm at macgra.com Thu Jun 2 21:35:06 2005 From: gjm at macgra.com (Gregg J. MacMillan) Date: Thu Jun 2 20:35:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam In-Reply-To: <20050603000759.13851.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050603000759.13851.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brad-- I've had mostly good experiences. The problems I've had have been of the nuisance variety...annoying buyers or sellers, but I've just learned to expect that every now and then. I bought the Venture 17 that I'm selling now on eBay. Part of the deal was that the seller would deliver it within 100 miles. I think the auction ended on Saturday, he had it in my driveway on Sunday, about the same time my wife returned from a weekend trip. It took a little explaining, but I've learned that explaining usually works better than asking. :-) --Gregg -- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 mailto:gjm@macgra.com http://www.macgra.com _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From bill at effros.com Thu Jun 2 22:21:22 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Thu Jun 2 21:21:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Explaining In-Reply-To: References: <20050603000759.13851.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <429FB092.3060703@effros.com> "It took a little explaining, but I've learned that explaining usually works better than asking. :-) " Why didn't I learn that sooner? Bill Effros Gregg J. MacMillan wrote: > Brad-- > > I've had mostly good experiences. The problems I've had have been of > the nuisance variety...annoying buyers or sellers, but I've just > learned to expect that every now and then. > > I bought the Venture 17 that I'm selling now on eBay. Part of the deal > was that the seller would deliver it within 100 miles. I think the > auction ended on Saturday, he had it in my driveway on Sunday, about > the same time my wife returned from a weekend trip. It took a little > explaining, but I've learned that explaining usually works better than > asking. :-) > > --Gregg > > From razsail at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 23:00:36 2005 From: razsail at gmail.com (raz) Date: Thu Jun 2 22:01:50 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This scamming is not limited to eBay. I had a Mud Hen 17 I posted on a very niche web site in FL, and ultimately sold it, but along the way I had a series of exchanges with a 'buyer' in the UK who wanted to pay me and then have me ship it to him. Here's his email: Business is all about trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Inbox Adams campell to me More options May 27 (6 days ago) HI Raz, Thanks for your response..A client of mine is owing me some amount of money and when i discuss with him that I was surfing the net when I came across a boat and I have interest in purchasing it and he told me that he will do the payment for me.Kindly do me this favour immediately you receive the cheque $8,000 deduct your own parts and send the excess $4,000 to the shipping company that will be coming for the pick up of the boat.Do send me the following information for my client to be able to prepare you the cheque without any further delay FULLNAME............................. CONTACT ADDRESS................... CITY............... STATE....... POST CODE........ CONTACT PHONE NUMBER........... COUNTRY................. Thanks, Hope to hear from you soon. You're Blessed Campell. (I was especially blessed b/c I passed on this opportunity!) On 6/2/05, Gregg J. MacMillan wrote: > > You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture 17 for sale. I have it > listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This is different than > selling at auction...it just sits there until someone buys it) > > The reason for the post is the increasing number of scam emails I > receive...about three each day...like the ones below. It is becoming a > real problem trying to sell higher priced items on ebay, especially at > auction. You go thru the whole auction process and then it turns out > that one of these scam artists is the winning bidder. > > The scam is that the certified check they send you is counterfeit, but > that may not show up for a week or so. In the mean time, you've sent > them the "shipping fee". > > Anyway, just something to watch out for if you are planning to sell a > boat online, or know someone who is. > > --Gregg > > (they're actually sort of funny to read) > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ++++ > > Hello Gregg, > > Am okay with the price $2500 if is in condition, regarding payment > i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to make payment > easier and faster is to instruct him procure a certisfied check what > of > $6000 and mail it to you on the address and name you want on the check > and you > know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to clear in the U.s.bank. > But i > would want to know if i can trust you to send back the balance to my > shipper > cos i like to make use of my own shipper who will be coming for the > pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your location, can i trust you > to transfering the balance to my shipper via western union money > transfer the money must have cleared in your bank to enable him to > arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in your location.But can I > trust you for my balance? cause the balance of $3500 will be send to > my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like you to forward me your > full name in which the cheque will be made out to and also your full > contact address to where the cheque will be sent to. so that i can > forward it to my client to issue you the cheque immediately. your > prompt responce will be of high intensity. > > best regards. > > james steve > > +++++ > > Good Day > i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, genoa boat $2,500 )I > will like to know if you would accept a certified cashier check for > the payment,so i will want to get back to me with the (A) the reason > why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i want you to get back to me > with your full name and address including your phone number is also > needed in which payment will be sent to .i have a shipping company who > takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother about the shippment.I > will also like to know if is still in good condition and shape.urgent > response is needed for procedure of payment > regard > > walker > > +++++++ > > Hello, > My name is kim doyle,I was browsing across your advert that you are > about selling your larger boat just want to know if it he still > avaliable forsale becos i am really interested in buying it,so i will > want you send me the pics and i will also like u to tell me your final > asking price and its present condition bcos am really interested in > buying it..... > Await your response in moving this transaction > forward. > Regards > > kim doyle > > +++++++ > > Hello, > > can i know more about this item,and i would like you to let me know > the condition,because a client is very interested in buying and she as > authorise me to handel this sales so as for the payment would you > accept check or a bank transfer directly to your account let me know > and forward your full address so that payment can be made. > > -- > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > > M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s > > 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 > > 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 > > mailto:gjm@macgra.com > > http://www.macgra.com > > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From robert at squirrelhaven.com Thu Jun 2 23:22:53 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Thu Jun 2 22:22:59 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad - Air Conditioning References: <20050530121833.71255.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <429F0025.30606@effros.com> Message-ID: <429FBEFD.713D6128@squirrelhaven.com> Bill Effros wrote: > How about hoisting the generator up the mast? > It only weighs 20 something pounds. > You could connect the output to your shore power input. A novel idea - but having 125v running around next to an aluminum mast in wet weather or rough seas puts it in the nozone. Let's keep working on this a while. /Bob From hparsons at parsonsys.com Fri Jun 3 00:41:20 2005 From: hparsons at parsonsys.com (Herb Parsons) Date: Fri Jun 3 00:36:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam Message-ID: I had the same problem when I tried to sell a car on eBay. After relisting the car for the third time (well, listing it the third time, I guess I actually RElisted it twice) I figured out how to get it past the scammers who kept interfereing with actual bids (by using "buy it now" and then not really buying). I required an immediate paypal deposit, or the item remained listed. I don't remember exactly how they worded that option, but it worked for me. >>> gjm@macgra.com 6/2/2005 3:13 PM >>> You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture 17 for sale. I have it listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This is different than selling at auction...it just sits there until someone buys it) The reason for the post is the increasing number of scam emails I receive...about three each day...like the ones below. It is becoming a real problem trying to sell higher priced items on ebay, especially at auction. You go thru the whole auction process and then it turns out that one of these scam artists is the winning bidder. The scam is that the certified check they send you is counterfeit, but that may not show up for a week or so. In the mean time, you've sent them the "shipping fee". Anyway, just something to watch out for if you are planning to sell a boat online, or know someone who is. --Gregg (they're actually sort of funny to read) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++ Hello Gregg, Am okay with the price $2500 if is in condition, regarding payment i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to make payment easier and faster is to instruct him procure a certisfied check what of $6000 and mail it to you on the address and name you want on the check and you know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to clear in the U.s.bank. But i would want to know if i can trust you to send back the balance to my shipper cos i like to make use of my own shipper who will be coming for the pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your location, can i trust you to transfering the balance to my shipper via western union money transfer the money must have cleared in your bank to enable him to arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in your location.But can I trust you for my balance? cause the balance of $3500 will be send to my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like you to forward me your full name in which the cheque will be made out to and also your full contact address to where the cheque will be sent to. so that i can forward it to my client to issue you the cheque immediately. your prompt responce will be of high intensity. best regards. james steve +++++ Good Day i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, genoa boat $2,500 )I will like to know if you would accept a certified cashier check for the payment,so i will want to get back to me with the (A) the reason why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i want you to get back to me with your full name and address including your phone number is also needed in which payment will be sent to .i have a shipping company who takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother about the shippment.I will also like to know if is still in good condition and shape.urgent response is needed for procedure of payment regard walker +++++++ Hello, My name is kim doyle,I was browsing across your advert that you are about selling your larger boat just want to know if it he still avaliable forsale becos i am really interested in buying it,so i will want you send me the pics and i will also like u to tell me your final asking price and its present condition bcos am really interested in buying it..... Await your response in moving this transaction forward. Regards kim doyle +++++++ Hello, can i know more about this item,and i would like you to let me know the condition,because a client is very interested in buying and she as authorise me to handel this sales so as for the payment would you accept check or a bank transfer directly to your account let me know and forward your full address so that payment can be made. -- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 mailto:gjm@macgra.com http://www.macgra.com _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From hparsons at parsonsys.com Fri Jun 3 00:42:09 2005 From: hparsons at parsonsys.com (Herb Parsons) Date: Fri Jun 3 00:37:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam Message-ID: They constantly re-register under different email addresses, sometimes actually buying (and paying for) some small priced items to "establish" themselves. >>> R22RumRunner@aol.com 6/2/2005 6:36 PM >>> Why isn't E Bay shutting these assholes down? Rummy.....inquiring minds want to know. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 3 08:55:10 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 3 07:55:18 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad and Felix In-Reply-To: <02d701c567d1$0fc260f0$9ad76044@Buddha> Message-ID: <000001c56833$188976d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Saroj: Now we have the answer...except that Felix left or was ejected by Michael. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: For Bill W: http://www.nps.gov/caha/livecam.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Saroj Gilbert Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:13 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam Maybe "felix-the-cat" is a pseudonym for Felix Fig.. ever think of that? He's found you and is tormenting all of us now. I wonder if another bidder got the cord and no machine? Saroj ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad haslett" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam > Greg, > > My experience with e-bay has been a mixed bag. I > bought a conversion van on e-bay at a steal, the > lowest bidder but below the reserve - worked a private > deal with the car dealership. I followed that > transaction with a purchase of a sewing machine. The > seller shorted me the power cord. When I politely > requested that he send me the cord, all hell broke > loose. It was obviously a scam transaction. I filed > a complaint and mediation action with e-bay. What a > joke. After a while you get tired corresponding with > Fatima in India and realize that e-bay doesn't give a > shit as long as you don't sue them. The whole concept > is a good idea but there are plenty of crooks on > e-bay, and e-bay isn't going to do jack until they are > sued. Most times it isn't worth it and they know it. > I have also purchased a dingy and auto-pilot on e-bay > and was pleasantly suprised with the transaction. It > all depends on the seller. Buyer beware. If I ever > get a chance to get my hands on the faggot that goes > by the name of "felix-the-cat" I'll beat the living > shit out of him. Then I'll think of somthing really > mean to do. Happy e-baying! > > Brad > > --- "Gregg J. MacMillan" wrote: > >> >> You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture 17 >> for sale. I have it >> listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This is >> different than >> selling at auction...it just sits there until >> someone buys it) >> >> The reason for the post is the increasing number >> of scam emails I >> receive...about three each day...like the ones >> below. It is becoming a >> real problem trying to sell higher priced items >> on ebay, especially at >> auction. You go thru the whole auction process >> and then it turns out >> that one of these scam artists is the winning >> bidder. >> >> The scam is that the certified check they send >> you is counterfeit, but >> that may not show up for a week or so. In the >> mean time, you've sent >> them the "shipping fee". >> >> Anyway, just something to watch out for if you >> are planning to sell a >> boat online, or know someone who is. >> >> --Gregg >> >> (they're actually sort of funny to read) >> >> >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> ++++ >> >> Hello Gregg, >> >> Am okay with the price $2500 if is in condition, >> regarding payment >> i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to >> make payment >> easier and faster is to instruct him procure a >> certisfied check what >> of >> $6000 and mail it to you on the address and name >> you want on the check >> and you >> know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to >> clear in the U.s.bank. >> But i >> would want to know if i can trust you to send >> back the balance to my >> shipper >> cos i like to make use of my own shipper who will >> be coming for the >> pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your >> location, can i trust you >> to transfering the balance to my shipper via >> western union money >> transfer the money must have cleared in your bank >> to enable him to >> arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in your >> location.But can I >> trust you for my balance? cause the balance of >> $3500 will be send to >> my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like you >> to forward me your >> full name in which the cheque will be made out to >> and also your full >> contact address to where the cheque will be sent >> to. so that i can >> forward it to my client to issue you the cheque >> immediately. your >> prompt responce will be of high intensity. >> >> best regards. >> >> james steve >> >> +++++ >> >> Good Day >> i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, >> genoa boat $2,500 )I >> will like to know if you would accept a certified >> cashier check for >> the payment,so i will want to get back to me >> with the (A) the reason >> why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i want >> you to get back to me >> with your full name and address including your >> phone number is also >> needed in which payment will be sent to .i have a >> shipping company who >> takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother >> about the shippment.I >> will also like to know if is still in good >> condition and shape.urgent >> response is needed for procedure of payment >> regard >> >> walker >> >> +++++++ >> >> Hello, >> My name is kim doyle,I was browsing across >> your advert that you are >> about selling your larger boat just want to know >> if it he still >> avaliable forsale becos i am really interested in >> buying it,so i will >> want you send me the pics and i will also like u >> to tell me your final >> asking price and its present condition bcos am >> really interested in >> buying it..... >> Await your response in moving this transaction >> forward. >> Regards >> >> kim doyle >> >> +++++++ >> >> Hello, >> >> can i know more about this item,and i would >> like you to let me know >> the condition,because a client is very interested >> in buying and she as >> authorise me to handel this sales so as for the >> payment would you >> accept check or a bank transfer directly to your >> account let me know >> and forward your full address so that payment can >> be made. >> >> -- >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> >> M a c M i l l a n G r a p h i c s >> >> 1 . 8 0 0 . 7 7 1 . 3 1 7 1 >> >> 2002 Ford Circle, Milford, OH 45150 >> >> mailto:gjm@macgra.com >> >> http://www.macgra.com >> >> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >> www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. 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I sent the e-bay mediator a photo of the power cord from the original auction site. After about 19 back-and-forth correspondences she (from her desk in India or the Phillipines, or wherever) declared we were at an impass and ended mediation. All I asked for was a cord. To this day I can't tell you whether this Pfaff 262 machine works or not. My guess is no, but who knows, I can't find a cord. The seller has thousands of very, very, wordy and positive feedback postings on small ticket items. You get the impression he writes them himself. The negative feedback items are on bigger ticket items and are simular in nature to my experience. The whole mediation process is a joke and it wasn't worth a day of my time to take this guy to small claims court, to win what?, a judgement on some guy in California I'll never collect. There are some real sleazy professional scammers on e-bay. I found one. Brad --- ed kroposki wrote: > Saroj: > Now we have the answer...except that Felix left or > was ejected by > Michael. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Addendum: For Bill W: > http://www.nps.gov/caha/livecam.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Saroj Gilbert > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:13 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam > > Maybe "felix-the-cat" is a pseudonym for Felix Fig.. > ever think of that? > He's found you and is tormenting all of us now. > > I wonder if another bidder got the cord and no > machine? > > Saroj > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brad haslett" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] eBay scam > > > > Greg, > > > > My experience with e-bay has been a mixed bag. I > > bought a conversion van on e-bay at a steal, the > > lowest bidder but below the reserve - worked a > private > > deal with the car dealership. I followed that > > transaction with a purchase of a sewing machine. > The > > seller shorted me the power cord. When I politely > > requested that he send me the cord, all hell broke > > loose. It was obviously a scam transaction. I > filed > > a complaint and mediation action with e-bay. What > a > > joke. After a while you get tired corresponding > with > > Fatima in India and realize that e-bay doesn't > give a > > shit as long as you don't sue them. The whole > concept > > is a good idea but there are plenty of crooks on > > e-bay, and e-bay isn't going to do jack until they > are > > sued. Most times it isn't worth it and they know > it. > > I have also purchased a dingy and auto-pilot on > e-bay > > and was pleasantly suprised with the transaction. > It > > all depends on the seller. Buyer beware. If I > ever > > get a chance to get my hands on the faggot that > goes > > by the name of "felix-the-cat" I'll beat the > living > > shit out of him. Then I'll think of somthing > really > > mean to do. Happy e-baying! > > > > Brad > > > > --- "Gregg J. MacMillan" wrote: > > > >> > >> You may recall that I have a MacGregor Venture > 17 > >> for sale. I have it > >> listed in an eBay Store I use for work. (This > is > >> different than > >> selling at auction...it just sits there until > >> someone buys it) > >> > >> The reason for the post is the increasing > number > >> of scam emails I > >> receive...about three each day...like the ones > >> below. It is becoming a > >> real problem trying to sell higher priced > items > >> on ebay, especially at > >> auction. You go thru the whole auction process > >> and then it turns out > >> that one of these scam artists is the winning > >> bidder. > >> > >> The scam is that the certified check they send > >> you is counterfeit, but > >> that may not show up for a week or so. In the > >> mean time, you've sent > >> them the "shipping fee". > >> > >> Anyway, just something to watch out for if you > >> are planning to sell a > >> boat online, or know someone who is. > >> > >> --Gregg > >> > >> (they're actually sort of funny to read) > >> > >> > >> > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> ++++ > >> > >> Hello Gregg, > >> > >> Am okay with the price $2500 if is in > condition, > >> regarding payment > >> i have an associate in U.k all i need to do to > >> make payment > >> easier and faster is to instruct him procure a > >> certisfied check what > >> of > >> $6000 and mail it to you on the address and > name > >> you want on the check > >> and you > >> know it takes 24hrs for a certisfied check to > >> clear in the U.s.bank. > >> But i > >> would want to know if i can trust you to send > >> back the balance to my > >> shipper > >> cos i like to make use of my own shipper who > will > >> be coming for the > >> pickup of the MacGregor Venture 17 in your > >> location, can i trust you > >> to transfering the balance to my shipper via > >> western union money > >> transfer the money must have cleared in your > bank > >> to enable him to > >> arrange the shipping cost for the pick up in > your > >> location.But can I > >> trust you for my balance? cause the balance of > >> $3500 will be send to > >> my shipper if this is okay by you,I will like > you > >> to forward me your > >> full name in which the cheque will be made out > to > >> and also your full > >> contact address to where the cheque will be > sent > >> to. so that i can > >> forward it to my client to issue you the > cheque > >> immediately. your > >> prompt responce will be of high intensity. > >> > >> best regards. > >> > >> james steve > >> > >> +++++ > >> > >> Good Day > >> i am interested in buying your(1970. New main, > >> genoa boat $2,500 )I > >> will like to know if you would accept a > certified > >> cashier check for > >> the payment,so i will want to get back to me > >> with the (A) the reason > >> why you want to sell,(B) the last price, i > want > >> you to get back to me > >> with your full name and address including your > >> phone number is also > >> needed in which payment will be sent to .i > have a > >> shipping company who > >> takes cares of my shippment .So don't bother > >> about the shippment.I > >> will also like to know if is still in good > >> condition and shape.urgent > >> response is needed for procedure of payment > >> regard > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 07:40:58 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 3 09:41:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mother of All Scams Message-ID: <20050603134058.42880.qmail@web32906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Talking about e-bay scams reminded me of this horror story. This is pretty long so if you have something important to do, or even if you don't, you should probably hit delete now and have a nice day. MOTHER OF ALL SCAMS It's been a few years now so finally I can tell this story without wanting to blow something up. After I sold my farm outside Nashville I purchased a small home in Memphis for a "crash pad" and tax home. The idea was to spend most of my time on a sailboat in San Diego (you can get slip space for $325/month five minutes walk from the SAN terminal). The short version of an even longer story is I met a Chinese co-worker on one of my flights to SAN, and before long, we were married and moving to the suburbs. I still got the sailboat, just not in California. I put the little house on the market with a real estate agent in the neighborhood that we had become close friends with. We got an early extremely low-ball offer from another real estate agent and I didn't even bother to counter. After six months I told my agent that if the house didn't sell by the next weekend I was taking it off the market and renting it and the garage apartment behind it out. The same agent that had earlier made the low-ball offer came back with a more realistic one but with a gazillion conditions, one being that I secure permission to build on the extra lot associated with the property. I countered with absolutely no conditions other that financing and stated vehemently I wasn't interested in doing any legwork for a buyer. At that point I really didn't care whether it sold or not. The buyer wanted to delay closing for four months so she could sell her home and I agreed after raising the earnest money deposit to $2000. A week before closing she asked to re-finish the floors and start moving in, which she did. The day before scheduled closing she called my agent to say she couldn't get financing and wanted her earnest money back. She also accused us of fraudently misrepresenting the extra lot as a buildable lot. I told her to go pound sand. Then her boss called, (her broker), and asked for the earnest money AND re-imbursement for re-finishing the floors. I told him to go pound sand, and suggested an oriface where he could deposit the contract. A month later I got sued for the earnest money, the floor re-finishing, the closing costs on the house she sold, the closing costs on the house she bought, and treble the damages under the Tennessee Consumer Protection act for a total of $32,000+. They also had a hearing set to freeze my assets and my agents assets for $200,000 for possible punitive damages. By co-incidence, my agent and I used the same attorney (my agent's husband was a tax attorney and went to law school with my attorney). He advised us to give the earnest money back and settle out of court, it just wasn't worth the effort and risk. WHAT RISK?, I asked. He explained that he'd seen some pretty goofy things happen over the years and "you never know". While waiting for the court date I went to the Shelby County codes department and asked for a letter stating my extra lot was available for building. My records "got lost" for three weeks. We settled out of court for $2000 and a few weeks later my building permission request "got found". I filed a complaint with the Tennessee Real Estate Commission against the agent/buyer and her broker and after six months they threw the case out for insufficient evidence. What really happened was the buyer found another property she wanted and backed out of buying mine. From the time she defaulted on my contract until she bought, financed, and moved in the other property was three weeks. The happy ending to all this is that a builder friend of mine and I built a spec home on the extra lot a year later. I made enough money on the home to fund my daughters 529 plan and pay for her college to any school in the country when she was only one year old. I still have the house which I rent to fellow pilots as a "crash pad" and the garage apartment to a professor at the U of M. Now I don't have to mow the extra lot or pay taxes on it. Nothing suprises me anymore but I learned this: make an earnest money deposit either one dollar or $100,000. Anything in between isn't worth the hassle. The next time I sell real-estate I'm calling Bill Effros! Brad Haslett "CoraShen" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From R22RumRunner at aol.com Fri Jun 3 14:17:45 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 3 13:17:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad and Felix Message-ID: <204.2e8b96e.2fd1eab9@aol.com> _http://www.sewnvac.com/index.shtml_ (http://www.sewnvac.com/index.shtml) Brad, This site might be able to help you with the cord. Rummy From jwtyler at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 14:27:13 2005 From: jwtyler at gmail.com (Jay of the Black Tower) Date: Fri Jun 3 13:27:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay In-Reply-To: References: <000001c5676d$8eb770d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <69cfc578050603102715a0d59b@mail.gmail.com> Hey all thanks for the responses. To answer all the questions I have seen so far. I have no idea what the boat had done to end up at a local church parking lot. I have little marine rehab experience. I do have Upholstery, basic carpentry, extensive wood working and general handy guy experience. But I dont want to have to do tooo much work. The moniker is the result of setting up Gmail as a try out and then being to lazy to fix the weird moniker. And the Location of the boat is Akron, OH but it was floated out of Sandusky I beleive. From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 3 16:49:21 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 3 15:49:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay In-Reply-To: <69cfc578050603102715a0d59b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801c56875$5629a7c0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Jay: You have answered several of the questions, except the most important. That is, what is your planned monetary outlay and what would you really be able to part with (if your wife is in this possible deal, post a picture). Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jay of the Black Tower Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:27 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay Hey all thanks for the responses. To answer all the questions I have seen so far. I have no idea what the boat had done to end up at a local church parking lot. I have little marine rehab experience. I do have Upholstery, basic carpentry, extensive wood working and general handy guy experience. But I dont want to have to do tooo much work. The moniker is the result of setting up Gmail as a try out and then being to lazy to fix the weird moniker. And the Location of the boat is Akron, OH but it was floated out of Sandusky I beleive. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 13:55:20 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 3 15:55:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Not a Joke, just Dam Funny Message-ID: <20050603195521.32339.qmail@web32908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan. This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter. SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County Dear Mr. DeVries: It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dam! s partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2003. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. Si! ncerely, David L. Price District Representati ve and Water Management Division. Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries: Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County. Dear Mr. Price, Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed to me to respond to. I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan. A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity. My first dam question to you is: (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several concerns. My first concern is; aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English. In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams). So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2003? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office. THANK YOU. RYAN DEVRIES & THE DAM BEAVERS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 3 18:56:21 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Fri Jun 3 18:02:16 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <000001c5676d$8eb770d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died down... Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have enjoyed enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this site? Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get over the intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and head for open water quite quickly. But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... Thanks. Phyllis Whisper Keyport > From: "ed kroposki" > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay > > Jay, > We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional > identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do for a > sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. > As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in > order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. > So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a > religious experience or guilt trip? > Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have > you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. Have > you explored the archives of this site? > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From jsail1 at verizon.net Fri Jun 3 19:04:03 2005 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (Jay Friedland) Date: Fri Jun 3 18:04:17 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phyllis- Still on call-your place or mine. Jay On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: > Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died down... > > Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have > enjoyed > enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- > > and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this site? > > Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier > horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. > Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get over > the > intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without > encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. > > Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and > head for > open water quite quickly. > > But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... > > Thanks. > Phyllis > Whisper > Keyport > > > >> From: "ed kroposki" >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >> >> Jay, >> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >> identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do for >> a >> sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in >> order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >> So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >> religious experience or guilt trip? >> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >> you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >> Have >> you explored the archives of this site? >> >> Ed K >> Greenville, SC, USA >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Fri Jun 3 19:13:12 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Fri Jun 3 18:19:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Jay, thanks for the offer. Mike and I are hoping for Sunday to go out from Keyport but it wouldn't be til 2 likely. The forecast is for 85 and humid...now that sounds like pretty tame sailing weather. We went and sat on her on Memorial Day after my daughter finished her parade route. Beautiful breezes from 5-15 I would say, but there was a threat of that thunderstorm, well, so we sat and did some cleaning. We did very much enjoy the drink at the club afterwards. So, let's stay in touch and see. Is your boat in at LBI now? Are weekdays ever a possibility for you? Also, funny thing is that I haven't met the owner but there is another Rhodes 22 moored right beside ours. The guy sails, I hear, about 122 days a year which isn't too shabby for NJ ( OK some exaggeration possibly)...the boat yard owner who is renting us our mooring, told me the other Rhodie headed out to the Rhodes 22, and almost boarded our boat-he was so surprised to see another Rhodes 22 moored there. He has a traditional mainsail with a furling genoa jib. Eventually it should be interesting to see how our IMF sails along side of his traditional mainsail... I am still waiting to see if I will be satisfied with how close you can point with the IMF main. But just sailing the boat will be fine!! We did it last year dealing with strong currents and a dock...a mooring should be easier. Right, Bill? Phyllis Whisper Keyport > From: Jay Friedland > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:04:03 -0400 > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site > > Phyllis- > Still on call-your place or mine. > Jay > > On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: > >> Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died down... >> >> Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have >> enjoyed >> enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- >> >> and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this site? >> >> Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier >> horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. >> Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get over >> the >> intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without >> encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. >> >> Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and >> head for >> open water quite quickly. >> >> But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... >> >> Thanks. >> Phyllis >> Whisper >> Keyport >> >> >> >>> From: "ed kroposki" >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >>> >>> Jay, >>> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >>> identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do for >>> a >>> sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >>> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in >>> order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >>> So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >>> religious experience or guilt trip? >>> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >>> you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >>> Have >>> you explored the archives of this site? >>> >>> Ed K >>> Greenville, SC, USA >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From barfrank at hollywoodbytheseafl.com Fri Jun 3 18:16:31 2005 From: barfrank at hollywoodbytheseafl.com (Richard Frank) Date: Fri Jun 3 18:32:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY Message-ID: <004501c56881$886111e0$6101a8c0@pc> I AM PLANNING ON A PURCHASE OF A RHODES 22 FOR USE ON BISCAYNE BAY AND KEYS AREA. ANY COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT I SHOULD CONSIDER WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANKS, RICHARD From FCrawford0707 at aol.com Fri Jun 3 20:13:23 2005 From: FCrawford0707 at aol.com (FCrawford0707@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:13:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a change of pace) Message-ID: <1ac.39a2be9e.2fd23e13@aol.com> Stan, Rose and Rhodies - Andrea and I are back home , having made the first leg of our Homeward Bound trip from Edenton to Avalon. We pulled in to the Sailing Emporium in Rock Hall Thursday afternoon, where we will berth Sunday Morning for most of June, before heading up the rest of the Bay and then down the Delaware Bay. Our trip was was a great experience - met some really nice "cruisers" along the way and experienced a great variety of wind and weather conditions,as well as the several different personalities of the Chesapeake Bay. Andrea, a reluctant participant in the planning, was a cheerful and helpful - indeed essential - sailor, whose good judgment kept us in good stead along the way. You can imagine our surprise to see Stan and Rose at the Dismal Swamp Visitors Center, where we were rafted up after day 2 of the trip to two other boats - of course we were the smallest by far. Stan spotted the red genoa cover and IMF triangle and we both were a bit proud of the way "our" Rhodes held herself in the company of the 35 footers she was rafted to - she did indeed look spiffy. We'll try to give some more details of our experience later on, but as a synopsis, we explored the Albemarle Sound (winding up in the Elizabeth City town docks after midnight of our first day), then thru the Dismal Swamp Canal (locking through was great fun in perfect weather conditions). We then stopped at Waterside in Norfolk for the next night - noisy and busy, but great fun as a contrast to the tranquility of the Dismal and the upper Pasquatank River (from Elizabeth City to the Canal, a truly beautiful stretch). The next day our Plan A was to make Deltaville - we settled for Plan B, Horn Harbor, a very rural setting, where we were welcomed and paid the lowest slip fee of our trip. We then crossed the Bay to Tangier Island - an experience not to be missed - I almost fell of the boat when we pulled up to the dock and saw a very large power cruiser (wasn't a trawler) with "Sunday Morning" lettered across her stern. The dockmaster was the single most patient man I've ever met - the slip was way, way too big for our 22 and Andrea and I struggled for a seeming eternity to get our lines properly positioned. We got too late a start the next day, walking around the island and dodging golf carts, but still managed to across to the Western shore,arriving at Solomons a little before sunset. We liked it so much that we planned a "lay day', to do some wash, shopping, walking around - but the weather report the next morning indicated that our lucky string of sunny days was about to end abruptly on Thursday ( this was now Wednesday morning) so we again went to Plan B and hightailed it up the Bay to Herrington Harbour, with weather conditions rapidly deteriorating as we approached Herring Bay. We thought that this was to be the end of the first leg, but the Thursday morning WX was better than anticipated (10 to 15 kn easterlies, but only showers, rather than steady rain as previously forecast). So we set out early for Annapolis, then again went to B plan, since we were doing ok into the weather as we approached Annapolis, and so decided to press on to Rock Hall Since I still have a day job, we broke the cardinal rule of cruising of not adhering to a schedule - as a result , we did more motoring than sailing, although we did get some good sailing in at times. The Yamaha 8-horse was a trooper , I felt the battened IMF was a definite improvement in performance. I would characterize the trip as two-thirds passage to one-third cruise - if you would do something similar, reverse the percentages and you will get more sailing time and less motoring. We feel good about accomplishing our primary goal - transiting the Dismal Swamp Canal and up the Chesapeake Bay - safely and yet with moments of anxiety that any such journey will inevitably bring. For those of you who have never locked into a canal, I would recommend the experience - we had a lot of fun and the comraderie added to the experience. From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 3 20:14:08 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:14:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad's Funny In-Reply-To: <20050603195521.32339.qmail@web32908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201c56891$f23feef0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Brad, This has been circulating the internet for at least a year. Must have been here before you came back on. Come on now, give us new material. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: You have got the boat to go here: www.leonardsworlds.com/listing/port/port_st_thomas_virgin_is.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of brad haslett Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:55 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Not a Joke, just Dam Funny This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan. This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter. SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County Dear Mr. DeVries: It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dam! s partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2003. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. Si! ncerely, David L. Price District Representati ve and Water Management Division. Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries: Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County. Dear Mr. Price, Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed to me to respond to. I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan. A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity. My first dam question to you is: (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several concerns. My first concern is; aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English. In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams). So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2003? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office. THANK YOU. RYAN DEVRIES & THE DAM BEAVERS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 3 20:21:14 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:21:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY In-Reply-To: <004501c56881$886111e0$6101a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <000301c56892$f3209580$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Richard, We here you. On email list Capital Letters indicate yelling. There used to be a guy who had a R 22 in the keys, but he sold it last year, I think. Your nearest active Rhodie is on the west coast, ask for Captain Bob. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Sailing on Rummy's private impoundment, aka, Lake Hartwell: www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/ and see the road to Lake Hartwell: (see # 56): www.dot.state.sc.us/getting/cams/AndersonCam.asp -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Frank Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:17 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY I AM PLANNING ON A PURCHASE OF A RHODES 22 FOR USE ON BISCAYNE BAY AND KEYS AREA. ANY COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT I SHOULD CONSIDER WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANKS, RICHARD __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Fri Jun 3 20:29:19 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:29:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY Message-ID: <1d8.3e29aa6a.2fd241cf@aol.com> Ed, Where is Capt. Dick this time of year? Rummy From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 3 20:30:47 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:30:58 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching for Bill E In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c56894$48b33600$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Phyllis: Jay piped up fast, however, he did not answer your question. Ask that guy from the other side of Hudson the question that you asked. Where is Bill on this one? There is also a guru in Florida on this subject. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA This one is for Bill and Richard: www.leonardsworlds.com/listing/parks/statue_of_liberty.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of P&M Beals Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:13 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site Hey Jay, thanks for the offer. Mike and I are hoping for Sunday to go out from Keyport but it wouldn't be til 2 likely. The forecast is for 85 and humid...now that sounds like pretty tame sailing weather. We went and sat on her on Memorial Day after my daughter finished her parade route. Beautiful breezes from 5-15 I would say, but there was a threat of that thunderstorm, well, so we sat and did some cleaning. We did very much enjoy the drink at the club afterwards. So, let's stay in touch and see. Is your boat in at LBI now? Are weekdays ever a possibility for you? Also, funny thing is that I haven't met the owner but there is another Rhodes 22 moored right beside ours. The guy sails, I hear, about 122 days a year which isn't too shabby for NJ ( OK some exaggeration possibly)...the boat yard owner who is renting us our mooring, told me the other Rhodie headed out to the Rhodes 22, and almost boarded our boat-he was so surprised to see another Rhodes 22 moored there. He has a traditional mainsail with a furling genoa jib. Eventually it should be interesting to see how our IMF sails along side of his traditional mainsail... I am still waiting to see if I will be satisfied with how close you can point with the IMF main. But just sailing the boat will be fine!! We did it last year dealing with strong currents and a dock...a mooring should be easier. Right, Bill? Phyllis Whisper Keyport > From: Jay Friedland > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:04:03 -0400 > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site > > Phyllis- > Still on call-your place or mine. > Jay > > On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: > >> Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died down... >> >> Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have >> enjoyed >> enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- >> >> and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this site? >> >> Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier >> horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. >> Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get over >> the >> intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without >> encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. >> >> Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and >> head for >> open water quite quickly. >> >> But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... >> >> Thanks. >> Phyllis >> Whisper >> Keyport >> >> >> >>> From: "ed kroposki" >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >>> >>> Jay, >>> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >>> identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do for >>> a >>> sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >>> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in >>> order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >>> So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >>> religious experience or guilt trip? >>> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >>> you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >>> Have >>> you explored the archives of this site? >>> >>> Ed K >>> Greenville, SC, USA >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Fri Jun 3 20:32:38 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:32:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY In-Reply-To: <1d8.3e29aa6a.2fd241cf@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c56894$8a579010$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Oops, Capt Bob... -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of R22RumRunner@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 7:29 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY Ed, Where is Capt. Dick this time of year? Rummy __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jsail1 at verizon.net Fri Jun 3 20:20:53 2005 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (Jay Friedland) Date: Fri Jun 3 19:43:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phyllis, My boat went in last Friday-2 months later than planned. Still a little shakedown items to take care of but very sailable (12-15 kts. last Sunday when we went out for 3 hours). Weekdays are possible as I'm away from the island on Tuesdays and Wednesdays only, but could shift it a day with enough notice and hope of good weather (i.e. challenging winds, etc.). FYI- although I am envious of your Rhodie neighbor, few people even outside NJ have sailed more than either of us, especially last year without my current job commitment. I consider myself extreeeeeeemely fortunate to be mostly available when my job needed me-rarely, but otherwise stationed within a few miles of my boat when not aboard. When most people had their afternoon martini ritual, I had my 3-4 hour sail, sometimes twice a day or more, even through the night. With over 9 months in the water (last year, December 12 was in the 60's and great sailing weather), I logged 800+ nm. on my knotmeter, just locally in the bay and ocean. Being on land was an adjustment. I remember some of your concerns on the IMF vs. standard rig, and the IMF is a tradeoff for its convenience and quick reefing ability. Polling Rhodies, the numbers bear out why its a key benefit and not a great difference. Stan is always addressing owners needs and the new main answers that. From my first experience with the original vertical batten in NC, the new IMF main closes the gap in both pointing ability and speed, but I'd get a year so with the current rig before you decide. Others have spent some time with it, and so far I think it's all favorable. But just learning the boat's handling will keep you busy for a few years anyway. Let me know your schedule before the roads get too crowded and the water is the only way to travel. Lower Barnegat is so shallow, power boats just stay mostly in the channel and away from 60% of the bay. Ask Bill E. how uncrowded we are in the middle of June- hove-to in the middle of the bay. Bill, are we on for our traditional Father's day get-together?? Jay On Jun 3, 2005, at 6:13 PM, P&M Beals wrote: > Hey Jay, thanks for the offer. > Mike and I are hoping for Sunday to go out from Keyport but it > wouldn't be > til 2 likely. The forecast is for 85 and humid...now that sounds like > pretty tame sailing weather. > > We went and sat on her on Memorial Day after my daughter finished her > parade route. Beautiful breezes from 5-15 I would say, but there was a > threat of that thunderstorm, well, so we sat and did some cleaning. > We did very much enjoy the drink at the club afterwards. > > So, let's stay in touch and see. Is your boat in at LBI now? Are > weekdays > ever a possibility for you? > > Also, funny thing is that I haven't met the owner but there is another > Rhodes 22 moored right beside ours. The guy sails, I hear, about 122 > days a > year which isn't too shabby for NJ ( OK some exaggeration > possibly)...the > boat yard owner who is renting us our mooring, told me the other Rhodie > headed out to the Rhodes 22, and almost boarded our boat-he was so > surprised > to see another Rhodes 22 moored there. He has a traditional mainsail > with a > furling genoa jib. Eventually it should be interesting to see how our > IMF > sails along side of his traditional mainsail... I am still waiting to > see > if I will be satisfied with how close you can point with the IMF main. > > But just sailing the boat will be fine!! > We did it last year dealing with strong currents and a dock...a mooring > should be easier. Right, Bill? > > Phyllis > Whisper > Keyport > >> From: Jay Friedland >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:04:03 -0400 >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site >> >> Phyllis- >> Still on call-your place or mine. >> Jay >> >> On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote: >> >>> Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died >>> down... >>> >>> Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have >>> enjoyed >>> enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board- >>> >>> and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this >>> site? >>> >>> Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier >>> horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan. >>> Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get >>> over >>> the >>> intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without >>> encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats. >>> >>> Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and >>> head for >>> open water quite quickly. >>> >>> But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives... >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Phyllis >>> Whisper >>> Keyport >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: "ed kroposki" >>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400 >>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay >>>> >>>> Jay, >>>> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional >>>> identifier. Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not do >>>> for >>>> a >>>> sailing forum. Maybe you need to think pirates. >>>> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in >>>> order. This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time. >>>> So where is this church? Was this boat there as a result of a >>>> religious experience or guilt trip? >>>> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site. Have >>>> you visited the competition at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/. >>>> Have >>>> you explored the archives of this site? >>>> >>>> Ed K >>>> Greenville, SC, USA >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 3 21:20:10 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Fri Jun 3 20:20:28 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY References: <004501c56881$886111e0$6101a8c0@pc> Message-ID: <004301c5689b$2becdc90$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Richard: You have made the right choice in boats. With the "skinny water" in your chosen area the R22 will suit the waters very well owing to the 20" draft board up and only 4' board down. Depending on how and where you plan to use the boat, a GPS with chart plotter ( the Garmin 276C or something along the lines of the182C with built in antenna) would be a nice to have item, again because of the shallow waters, reefs, and skinny cuts. Charts of course are always advised. There are several good cruising guides for the area as well. I like Frank Papy's Cruising Guide to the Florida Keys for fun and entertainment. Clairborne Young also has a much more detailed guide. A good VHF radio is also a must. Carrying a cell phone is also recommended and all recommended safety gear that the Coast Guard recommends. If you plan to anchor out, good ground tackle is a must. The Hawk Channel (Atlantic side) can get mean so you need to watch the weather very carefully - when it is nice, it is wonderful. Biscayne Bay and Florida Bay can kick up but should prove manageable most of the time for a R22. If you chose to use the Hawk Channel, make sure you know all of the cuts to get into Florida Bay so you can cut and run when you need to, which should not be too often. We spent a month last year out of Key West (sailed from Punta Gorda to Key West via Naples, Marco Island, Shark River, and Marathon). We then sailed back to Marathon but as the weather was not great, we cut under the seven mile bridge into Florida Bay to Matacumbe and Pumpkin Key before jumping out into Biscayne Bay for a great sail up to Cape Florida. (Sailing on Biscayne Bay is truly a must do!) We then jumped out and headed up to Ft. Lauderdale and Lake Worth before getting back to our home port in Stuart. Now realize we were not on a R22 but a larger cruising boat with a permanent 4'5" draft, The GPS and charts were mandatory. We sailed our R22 out of Stuart for 10 years and we have sailed boats of similar size in the Keys over the years. As the man said: "just do it!" Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Frank" To: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY > I AM PLANNING ON A PURCHASE OF A RHODES 22 FOR USE ON BISCAYNE BAY AND > KEYS > AREA. ANY COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT I SHOULD > CONSIDER WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANKS, RICHARD > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 3 22:11:18 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Fri Jun 3 21:11:30 2005 Subject: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY Message-ID: <000a01c568a2$503b9580$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> BTW, did I mention a Bimini? It is absolutely essential when sailing in South Florida. Also, as I didn't bother to ask about your experience both sailing and boating in Biscayne Bay or the Keys, I hope I did not provide you with information that you have already mastered. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Quinn" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY > Richard: You have made the right choice in boats. With the "skinny > water" in your chosen area the R22 will suit the waters very well owing to > the 20" draft board up and only 4' board down. Depending on how and where > you plan to use the boat, a GPS with chart plotter ( the Garmin 276C or > something along the lines of the182C with built in antenna) would be a > nice to have item, again because of the shallow waters, reefs, and skinny > cuts. Charts of course are always advised. There are several good > cruising guides for the area as well. I like Frank Papy's Cruising Guide > to the Florida Keys for fun and entertainment. Clairborne Young also has > a much more detailed guide. A good VHF radio is also a must. Carrying a > cell phone is also recommended and all recommended safety gear that the > Coast Guard recommends. If you plan to anchor out, good ground tackle is a > must. > > The Hawk Channel (Atlantic side) can get mean so you need to watch the > weather very carefully - when it is nice, it is wonderful. Biscayne Bay > and Florida Bay can kick up but should prove manageable most of the time > for a R22. If you chose to use the Hawk Channel, make sure you know all > of the cuts to get into Florida Bay so you can cut and run when you need > to, which should not be too often. > > We spent a month last year out of Key West (sailed from Punta Gorda to Key > West via Naples, Marco Island, Shark River, and Marathon). We then sailed > back to Marathon but as the weather was not great, we cut under the seven > mile bridge into Florida Bay to Matacumbe and Pumpkin Key before jumping > out into Biscayne Bay for a great sail up to Cape Florida. (Sailing on > Biscayne Bay is truly a must do!) We then jumped out and headed up to Ft. > Lauderdale and Lake Worth before getting back to our home port in Stuart. > Now realize we were not on a R22 but a larger cruising boat with a > permanent 4'5" draft, The GPS and charts were mandatory. We sailed our R22 > out of Stuart for 10 years and we have sailed boats of similar size in the > Keys over the years. As the man said: "just do it!" > > Bob and Kathy on the "NoKaOi" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Frank" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:16 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY > > >> I AM PLANNING ON A PURCHASE OF A RHODES 22 FOR USE ON BISCAYNE BAY AND >> KEYS >> AREA. ANY COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT I SHOULD >> CONSIDER WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANKS, RICHARD >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > From flybrad at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 19:33:27 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Fri Jun 3 21:33:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad's Funny In-Reply-To: <000201c56891$f23feef0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <20050604013327.24478.qmail@web32913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here you go! Instructions - In Honor of Stupid People In case you needed further proof that the human race is doomed through stupidity, here are some actual label instructions on consumer goods. On a Sears hairdryer -- Do not use while sleeping. (Damn, and that's the only time I have to work on my hair). No purchase necessary. Details inside. (the shoplifter special?) On a bar of Dial soap -- "Directions: Use like regular soap." (and that would be how???) On some Swanson frozen dinners -- "Serving suggestion: Defrost." (but, it's "just" a suggestion) On Tesco's Tiramisu dessert (printed on bottom) -- "Do not turn upside down." (well...duh, a bit late, huh!) Mark & Spencer Bread Pudding -- "Product will be hot after heating " (...and you thought????) On packaging for a Rowenta iron -- "Do not iron clothes on body." (but wouldn't this save me more time?) On Boot's Children Cough Medicine -- "Do not drive a car or operate machinery after taking this medication." (We could do a lot to reduce the rate of construction accidents if we could just get those 5-year-olds with head-colds off those forklifts.) On Nytol Sleep Aid -- "Warning: May cause drowsiness." (and...I'm taking this because???) On most brands of Christmas lights -- "For indoor or outdoor use only. (as opposed to what, under water?) On a Japanese food processor -- "Not to be used for the other use." (now, somebody out there, help me on this. I'm a bit curious.) On Sainsbury's peanuts -- "Warning: contains nuts." (talk about a news flash) "Instructions: Open packet, eat nuts." (Step 3: maybe, uh...fly Delta?) On a child's Superman costume -- "Wearing of this garment does not enable you to fly." (I blame the parents for this one.) On a Swedish chainsaw -- "Do not attempt to stop chain with your hands or genitals." (Oh my God...was there a lot of this happening somewhere?) --- ed kroposki wrote: > > Brad, > This has been circulating the internet for at least > a year. Must > have been here before you came back on. Come on > now, give us new material. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Addendum: You have got the boat to go here: > www.leonardsworlds.com/listing/port/port_st_thomas_virgin_is.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of brad haslett > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:55 PM > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Not a Joke, just Dam Funny > > This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan > DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental > Quality, State of Michigan. > > This guy's response is hilarious, but read the > State's > letter before you get to the response letter. > > > > SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. > 20; > Montcalm County > > > > Dear Mr. DeVries: > > It has come to the attention of the Department of > Environmental Quality that there has been recent > unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel > of property. You have been certified as the legal > landowner and/or contractor who did the following > unauthorized activity: > > Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams > across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. > > A permit must be issued prior to the start of this > type of activity. > > A review of the Department's files shows that no > permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department > has determined that this activity is in violation of > Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural > Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 > of > the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to > 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. > > The Department has been informed that one or both of > the dam! s partially failed during a recent rain > event, causing debris and flooding at downstream > locations. We find that dams of this nature are > inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The > Department therefore orders you to cease and desist > all activities at this location, and to restore the > stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood > and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. > All restoration work shall be completed no later > than > January > 31, 2003. > > Please notify this office when the restoration has > been completed so that a follow-up site inspection > may > be scheduled by our staff. > > Failure to comply with this request or any further > unauthorized activity on the site may result in this > case being referred for elevated enforcement action. > > We anticipate and would appreciate your full > cooperation in this matter. > > Please feel free to contact me at this office if you > have any questions. > > Si! ncerely, > David L. Price > > District Representati ve and Water Management > Division. > > > > > > > > > Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. > DeVries: > > > > Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; > Montcalm County. > > > Dear Mr. Price, > > > > > > Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed > to me to respond to. I am the legal landowner but > not > the Contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan. > > A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) > process of constructing and maintaining two wood > "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring > Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor > supervise their dam project, I think they would be > highly offended that you call their skillful use of > natures building materials "debris." > I would like to challenge your department to attempt > to emulate their dam project any time and/or any > place > you choose. I believe I can safely state there is > no > way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam > resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam > persistence, their dam determination and/or their > dam > work ethic. > > > > > > As to your request, I do not think the beavers are > aware that they must first fill out a dam permit > prior > to the start of this type of dam activity. > My first dam question to you is: > (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring > Pond Beavers, or > (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State > to conform to said dam request? > > If you are not discriminating against these > particular > beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I > request completed copies of all those other > applicable > beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps > we > will see if there really is a dam violation of Part > 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural > Resource > and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the > Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to > 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. > > > > > > > I have several concerns. My first concern is; > aren't > the beavers entitled to legal representation? The > Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and > are > unable to pay for said representation -- so the > State > will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. > The Department's dam concern that either one or both > of the dams failed during a recent rain event, > causing > flooding, is proof that this is a natural > occurrence, > which the Department is required to protect. In > other > words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone > rather than harassing them and calling their dam > names. > > If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow > condition please contact the beavers -- but if you > are > going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any > attention to your dam letter, they being unable to > read English. > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From stan at rhodes22.com Sat Jun 4 03:44:44 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Sat Jun 4 02:44:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] crawford adventure Message-ID: <021301c568d0$e9ac8110$1fd407d0@yourze8cxvr8tt> The Crawfords are being too polite. Somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic the boat started to sink. Thanks to cell phone technology we did a "Hello Houston - we have a problem" call and came to the conclusion that when one of our guys upgraded the cb line he forgot to put back the cb hose or at least the hose clamp and the high pressure from the great Yamaha forced water to spill up and over the cb cap hose barb. Lower motor speeds seemed to confirm this long distance theory. Since they made it safely to a safe haven itinerary landing we will get to check the theory - had they gone to the bottom it would have remained another Rhodes mystery. stan/gbi From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 4 09:27:24 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sat Jun 4 08:27:27 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a change ofpace) In-Reply-To: <1ac.39a2be9e.2fd23e13@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for posting! Locks are kind of fun. There is a lock 17 miles down river from my slip. The first time down my R22 was all alone. Coming back the lock was quite crowded but the lock masters and crew positioned everyone pretty quickly. How much gas did you use? Wally, Knoxville TN >From: FCrawford0707@aol.com >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: stan@rhodes22.com, rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a change >ofpace) >Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:13:23 EDT > >Stan, Rose and Rhodies - Andrea and I are back home , having made the first >leg of our Homeward Bound trip from Edenton to Avalon. We pulled in to the >Sailing Emporium in Rock Hall Thursday afternoon, where we will berth >Sunday >Morning for most of June, before heading up the rest of the Bay and then >down >the Delaware Bay. Our trip was was a great experience - met some really >nice >"cruisers" along the way and experienced a great variety of wind and >weather >conditions,as well as the several different personalities of the >Chesapeake >Bay. Andrea, a reluctant participant in the planning, was a cheerful and >helpful - indeed essential - sailor, whose good judgment kept us in good >stead >along the way. > You can imagine our surprise to see Stan and Rose at the Dismal Swamp >Visitors Center, where we were rafted up after day 2 of the trip to two >other >boats - of course we were the smallest by far. Stan spotted the red genoa >cover and IMF triangle and we both were a bit proud of the way "our" >Rhodes >held herself in the company of the 35 footers she was rafted to - she did >indeed >look spiffy. > We'll try to give some more details of our experience later on, but >as a >synopsis, we explored the Albemarle Sound (winding up in the Elizabeth >City >town docks after midnight of our first day), then thru the Dismal Swamp >Canal >(locking through was great fun in perfect weather conditions). We then >stopped at Waterside in Norfolk for the next night - noisy and busy, but >great >fun as a contrast to the tranquility of the Dismal and the upper >Pasquatank >River (from Elizabeth City to the Canal, a truly beautiful stretch). > The next day our Plan A was to make Deltaville - we settled for Plan >B, >Horn Harbor, a very rural setting, where we were welcomed and paid the >lowest >slip fee of our trip. > We then crossed the Bay to Tangier Island - an experience not to be >missed - I almost fell of the boat when we pulled up to the dock and saw a >very >large power cruiser (wasn't a trawler) with "Sunday Morning" lettered >across >her stern. The dockmaster was the single most patient man I've ever met - >the >slip was way, way too big for our 22 and Andrea and I struggled for a >seeming eternity to get our lines properly positioned. > We got too late a start the next day, walking around the island and >dodging golf carts, but still managed to across to the Western >shore,arriving at >Solomons a little before sunset. We liked it so much that we planned a >"lay >day', to do some wash, shopping, walking around - but the weather report >the >next morning indicated that our lucky string of sunny days was about to >end >abruptly on Thursday ( this was now Wednesday morning) so we again went to >Plan B and hightailed it up the Bay to Herrington Harbour, with weather >conditions rapidly deteriorating as we approached Herring Bay. We thought >that >this was to be the end of the first leg, but the Thursday morning WX was >better >than anticipated (10 to 15 kn easterlies, but only showers, rather than >steady rain as previously forecast). So we set out early for Annapolis, >then >again went to B plan, since we were doing ok into the weather as we >approached >Annapolis, and so decided to press on to Rock Hall > Since I still have a day job, we broke the cardinal rule of cruising >of >not adhering to a schedule - as a result , we did more motoring than >sailing, >although we did get some good sailing in at times. The Yamaha 8-horse >was >a trooper , I felt the battened IMF was a definite improvement in >performance. I would characterize the trip as two-thirds passage to >one-third cruise - >if you would do something similar, reverse the percentages and you will >get >more sailing time and less motoring. >We feel good about accomplishing our primary goal - transiting the Dismal >Swamp Canal and up the Chesapeake Bay - safely and yet with moments of >anxiety >that any such journey will inevitably bring. For those of you who have >never >locked into a canal, I would recommend the experience - we had a lot of >fun >and the comraderie added to the experience. >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 4 09:35:20 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sat Jun 4 08:35:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY In-Reply-To: <004501c56881$886111e0$6101a8c0@pc> Message-ID: Optional equipment- cooler of cold beer, snacks, Bull Frog SPF 36 Sunscreen.... :-0 Richard - A depth sounder would be useful in your area. IMF is pretty nice. The number one feature of IMF is You WILL sail more! Bimini & cockpit cushions provide comfort. Are you day sailing or cruising? Wally >From: "Richard Frank" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] SAILING BISCAYNE BAY Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 >17:16:31 -0400 > > I AM PLANNING ON A PURCHASE OF A RHODES 22 FOR USE ON BISCAYNE BAY AND >KEYS >AREA. ANY COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT I SHOULD >CONSIDER WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANKS, RICHARD > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Sat Jun 4 09:41:49 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Sat Jun 4 08:42:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Robert Quinn? In-Reply-To: <000a01c568a2$503b9580$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <000001c56902$cb3275a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Do we have two Robert Quinns on this list? Several years ago there was an experience and knowledgeable Captain Quinn who made promises about filling in a block on this page: http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/ Is that Captain Quinn still on the list? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: Is this the Miami under discussion: www.leonardsworlds.com/listing/port/port_miami_ship_docks_fl.htm From barfrank at hollywoodbytheseafl.com Sat Jun 4 09:00:53 2005 From: barfrank at hollywoodbytheseafl.com (Richard Frank) Date: Sat Jun 4 08:59:40 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <005401c568fd$13bd6100$6101a8c0@pc> From FCrawford0707 at aol.com Sat Jun 4 10:09:47 2005 From: FCrawford0707 at aol.com (FCrawford0707@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 4 09:10:04 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a change ofpace) Message-ID: <1ab.39c34aae.2fd3021b@aol.com> Wally - We used about 15 gallons altogether. A question / comment on the IMF - We were sailing along downwind toward Herirng Bay, first in pretty light winds, so we had full genoa out, as well as full main, jibing a couple of times to keep our wind angle at about 120 degrees, which kept the genoa drawing. As the wind piped up, we furled the genoa, and under main alone were surfing a bit and making great VMG, as we were heading straight toward the destination, almost directly downwind, with the main to starboard. Life's good. Our problem came in later furling the main, as with about 15 kn of true wind, our apparent wind was about to change abruptly from c.10 to over 15, as we would steer into the wind to furl. I was concerned about broaching in the process. We ended up letting the outhaul slacken enough to belly out the main quite a bit as we turned into the wind (keeping the wind over the port side in order to maintain the "slot" at the mast). This reduced the sail area exposed to wind enough that we then furled the main w/o the boat heeling dramatically as we turned into the wind. My question - how have any of you handled this same situation ? Is there a better way of dealing with this than letting the main belly out ? Frone Crawford s/v Sunday Morning From R22RumRunner at aol.com Sat Jun 4 11:05:29 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 4 10:05:35 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a change ofpace) Message-ID: <62.565412bb.2fd30f29@aol.com> Frone, I always bring the genoa in first. Furling the IMF isn't any different than if you had a standard main sail. You drop the motor in the water, fire it up and use power to keep you headed into the wind. I don't recommend loosening the IMF until the very moment you are going to furl and then keeping pressure on both lines to get a clean furl. Rummy From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 4 11:55:15 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Sat Jun 4 10:55:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Robert Quinn? References: <000001c56902$cb3275a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <000d01c56915$6affdcf0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Ed: To the best of my knowledge only one Quinn. My memory is stale but at one point I was attempting to scan in some old R22/Continental literature. Our computer took a nose dive and work became very hectic. Let me look back and see it those documents were "recovered" and if so, I'll look to someone to tell me how to post them. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Robert Quinn? > Do we have two Robert Quinns on this list? Several years ago there was an > experience and knowledgeable Captain Quinn who made promises about filling > in a block on this page: http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/ > Is that Captain Quinn still on the list? > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Addendum: Is this the Miami under discussion: > www.leonardsworlds.com/listing/port/port_miami_ship_docks_fl.htm > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From bill at effros.com Sat Jun 4 20:59:40 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 4 20:00:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? In-Reply-To: <428cd83a.62932dce.0bd5.ffff916c@mx.gmail.com> References: <428cd83a.62932dce.0bd5.ffff916c@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A2406C.4090709@effros.com> New York Times Editorial, Today: June 4, 2005 Overcast in Pennsylvania Far from just talking about the weather, Senator Rick Santorum is doing something dank and cloudy about it: he is proposing to squelch the National Weather Service's growing role in the information age. The Weather Service provides a priceless flow of nonstop measurements and readings that commercial forecasting companies package and sell to the public. Lately, the Weather Service itself has been trying to make all its information more accessible to anyone who wants it. But Mr. Santorum, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate, has introduced legislation that would basically require the service to give much of its data only to those private weather forecasting companies. A dozen of those businesses happen to be located in Mr. Santorum's home state, Pennsylvania. "It's not an easy prospect for a business to attract advertisers, subscribers or investors when the government is providing similar products for free," the senator said, somehow overlooking that taxpayers finance this round-the-clock national resource in the first place. Senator Santorum, who is running for re-election, is vowing to protect hundreds of Pennsylvania weather company jobs. But timing is everything in both politics and weather, and his case was not helped by the fact that two days before the bill was introduced, his campaign accepted a $2,000 donation from one of the weather companies lobbying for protection. This was dismissed by the senator's supporters as a small-beer coincidence in a $25 million race. But as they say on the weather segment, it's a lingering disturbance on the Doppler. Mark Kaynor wrote: >Slim, > >Hoo boy. Another one that's a bit tricky to explain w/ out speaking Geek. >Like they say, it's all Geek to me.... > >XML stands for Extensible Markup Language - it's a markup language (kind of, >but not really like HTML), that's primarily used to describe and contain >data for publishing on the WWW. Unlike HTML, however, which uses predefined >tags, the programmer defines XML tags, making it very powerful for handling >data - like weather or Amazon or eBay, or insurance info, etc. I know that >sounds a bit obtuse, so I did a quick Google search and came up w/ this site >which probably says it a bit better: >http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_whatis.asp > >And here: http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/xml/article.php/3473531 > >Mark > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve Alm >Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:03 PM >To: Rhodes >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? > >Mark, > >What is an XML interface? > >Slim > >On 5/19/05 8:00 AM, "Mark Kaynor" wrote: > > > >>Folks, >> >>I've been hearing about this for a couple of weeks and thought I'd >>pass it along. >> >>Mark >> >>The National Weather Service recently began publishing weather data to >>the public via an easy to access XML interface. Previously NOAA >>released data in an arcane and complicated format created over 40 years >> >> >ago. > > >>This is a great boon for everyone, as the XML feeds allow for >>integration of weather data into personal homepages & computer >>applications, and makes it easier for scientists, meteorology students >>and people interested in the weather to use industry-standard tools to >> >> >access weather data. > > >>Well, its not great for everyone, particularly companies like >>Accuweather, who make their money reselling weather data to the public and >> >> >media outlets. > > >>Apparently they managed to lobby Senator Santorum of Pennsylvania to >>introduce a bill, S.786.1, which would prevent the National Weather >>Service from competing with for-pay weather companies. The language of >>the bill is very broad and if passed may jeopardize the XML Data Feed, >>the NOAA website, and even NOAA weather radio. >> >>The following link makes sending a letter to your senators easy - >>please take the time to do so if you want NOAA to be able to continue >>to provide free services (the ones we already pay for with our taxes). >> >>https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?JServSessionIdr003=uio7mzb8p1.app >>8a&pag >>e=UserAction&cmd=display&id=123 >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From gjm at macgra.com Sat Jun 4 21:50:31 2005 From: gjm at macgra.com (Gregg J. MacMillan) Date: Sat Jun 4 20:50:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] True Blue Photos In-Reply-To: <42A2406C.4090709@effros.com> References: <428cd83a.62932dce.0bd5.ffff916c@mx.gmail.com> <42A2406C.4090709@effros.com> Message-ID: Not much wind today, but we did take some photos. http://homepage.mac.com/macmillan --Gregg s/v True Blue From flybrad at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 19:07:40 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sat Jun 4 21:08:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? In-Reply-To: <42A2406C.4090709@effros.com> Message-ID: <20050605010740.30061.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill, Santorum's bill is about the stupidest idea I've heard of in a long time - consider the source. I use NWS sometimes when I think our in-house people are being a bit too optimistic. One of our pilots compiled a whole lot of info on this site - www.dixwx.com - which is specific to our ops but has some other useful stuff for everyone, like flighttracker. Be sure to watch the videos. Santorum is an idiot. Why don't you take him sailing and have an "accident" at sea? Just make sure Trent Lott and John McCain are on board and are lost trying to save him. Brad --- Bill Effros wrote: > New York Times Editorial, Today: > June 4, 2005 > > > Overcast in Pennsylvania > > Far from just talking about the weather, Senator > Rick Santorum is doing > something dank and cloudy about it: he is proposing > to squelch the > National Weather Service's growing role in the > information age. > > The Weather Service provides a priceless flow of > nonstop measurements > and readings that commercial forecasting companies > package and sell to > the public. Lately, the Weather Service itself has > been trying to make > all its information more accessible to anyone who > wants it. But Mr. > Santorum, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate, has > introduced legislation > that would basically require the service to give > much of its data only > to those private weather forecasting companies. A > dozen of those > businesses happen to be located in Mr. Santorum's > home state, Pennsylvania. > > "It's not an easy prospect for a business to attract > advertisers, > subscribers or investors when the government is > providing similar > products for free," the senator said, somehow > overlooking that taxpayers > finance this round-the-clock national resource in > the first place. > > Senator Santorum, who is running for re-election, is > vowing to protect > hundreds of Pennsylvania weather company jobs. But > timing is everything > in both politics and weather, and his case was not > helped by the fact > that two days before the bill was introduced, his > campaign accepted a > $2,000 donation from one of the weather companies > lobbying for > protection. This was dismissed by the senator's > supporters as a > small-beer coincidence in a $25 million race. But as > they say on the > weather segment, it's a lingering disturbance on the > Doppler. > > > Mark Kaynor wrote: > > >Slim, > > > >Hoo boy. Another one that's a bit tricky to explain > w/ out speaking Geek. > >Like they say, it's all Geek to me.... > > > >XML stands for Extensible Markup Language - it's a > markup language (kind of, > >but not really like HTML), that's primarily used to > describe and contain > >data for publishing on the WWW. Unlike HTML, > however, which uses predefined > >tags, the programmer defines XML tags, making it > very powerful for handling > >data - like weather or Amazon or eBay, or insurance > info, etc. I know that > >sounds a bit obtuse, so I did a quick Google search > and came up w/ this site > >which probably says it a bit better: > >http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_whatis.asp > > > >And here: > http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/xml/article.php/3473531 > > > >Mark > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve Alm > >Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:03 PM > >To: Rhodes > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather > privatized? > > > >Mark, > > > >What is an XML interface? > > > >Slim > > > >On 5/19/05 8:00 AM, "Mark Kaynor" > wrote: > > > > > > > >>Folks, > >> > >>I've been hearing about this for a couple of weeks > and thought I'd > >>pass it along. > >> > >>Mark > >> > >>The National Weather Service recently began > publishing weather data to > >>the public via an easy to access XML interface. > Previously NOAA > >>released data in an arcane and complicated format > created over 40 years > >> > >> > >ago. > > > > > >>This is a great boon for everyone, as the XML > feeds allow for > >>integration of weather data into personal > homepages & computer > >>applications, and makes it easier for scientists, > meteorology students > >>and people interested in the weather to use > industry-standard tools to > >> > >> > >access weather data. > > > > > >>Well, its not great for everyone, particularly > companies like > >>Accuweather, who make their money reselling > weather data to the public and > >> > >> > >media outlets. > > > > > >>Apparently they managed to lobby Senator Santorum > of Pennsylvania to > >>introduce a bill, S.786.1, which would prevent the > National Weather > >>Service from competing with for-pay weather > companies. The language of > >>the bill is very broad and if passed may > jeopardize the XML Data Feed, > >>the NOAA website, and even NOAA weather radio. > >> > >>The following link makes sending a letter to your > senators easy - > >>please take the time to do so if you want NOAA to > be able to continue > >>to provide free services (the ones we already pay > for with our taxes). > >> > >>https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?JServSessionIdr003=uio7mzb8p1.app > >>8a&pag > >>e=UserAction&cmd=display&id=123 > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > >> > >> > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From natown at wildmail.com Sat Jun 4 22:43:14 2005 From: natown at wildmail.com (Neil Townsley) Date: Sat Jun 4 22:44:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? Message-ID: <93384BA84929EF84F864E3005EF5E40A@natown.wildmail.com> BoatUS has a briefing letter on this subject at this URL http://www.boatus.com/gov/sb786.htm They want you to contact you Senator and try and stop this bill. Neil Townsley Care2 make the world greener! http://www.Care2.com Free e-mail. 100MB storage. Helps charities. Make a Difference: Tell U.S. Congress to stop hurting our health care! http://www.care2.com/go/z/healthcare From bill at effros.com Sun Jun 5 00:01:09 2005 From: bill at effros.com (Bill Effros) Date: Sat Jun 4 23:01:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] True Blue Photos In-Reply-To: References: <428cd83a.62932dce.0bd5.ffff916c@mx.gmail.com> <42A2406C.4090709@effros.com> Message-ID: <42A26AF5.2040103@effros.com> Very Nice! Bill Effros Gregg J. MacMillan wrote: > Not much wind today, but we did take some photos. > > http://homepage.mac.com/macmillan > > --Gregg > s/v True Blue > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From flybrad at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 21:33:53 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sat Jun 4 23:33:56 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? In-Reply-To: <93384BA84929EF84F864E3005EF5E40A@natown.wildmail.com> Message-ID: <20050605033353.68483.qmail@web32907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Neil, Santorum is the only sponsor of this bill and I doubt anyone else is anxious to jump on it, however, it would behoove all of us to write our Senators to be on the safe side. If you read the proposed legislation it does have SOME logic to it, ie., Accuweather is asking that NOAA make its data available in realtime. That would be of value to a handful of very time sensitive industries, say airlines, and would spare the weather industry from spending the money to build their own data collection infrastructure. But, to suggest that the current regulations allow NOAA to "compete" with private industry is a sham to cover the real purpose of this bill - pork barrel politics. NOAA weather reports is certainly good enough for sailing, and 98% of flying. If you need more accuracy for the other 2%, pay for it, a lot of companies do. Brad Haslett "CoraShen" --- Neil Townsley wrote: > BoatUS has a briefing letter on this subject at this > URL > http://www.boatus.com/gov/sb786.htm > They want you to contact you Senator and try and > stop this bill. > > Neil Townsley > > > Care2 make the world greener! > http://www.Care2.com Free e-mail. 100MB storage. > Helps charities. > > Make a Difference: Tell U.S. Congress to stop > hurting our health care! > http://www.care2.com/go/z/healthcare > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pthorn at nc.rr.com Sun Jun 5 07:08:17 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Sun Jun 5 06:06:53 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? References: <93384BA84929EF84F864E3005EF5E40A@natown.wildmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c569b6$7e761780$660fa8c0@dell330> Thank you Neil, for passing on those links. Sen Dole and Sen Burr are now informed. Unfortunately, if we all do nothing, I believe there's a good chance Santorum and his buddies will get away with this theft of public infrastructure. Fair winds, PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Townsley" To: Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] NOAA weather privatized? > BoatUS has a briefing letter on this subject at this URL > http://www.boatus.com/gov/sb786.htm > They want you to contact you Senator and try and stop this bill. > > Neil Townsley > > > Care2 make the world greener! > http://www.Care2.com Free e-mail. 100MB storage. Helps charities. > > Make a Difference: Tell U.S. Congress to stop hurting our health care! http://www.care2.com/go/z/healthcare > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Sun Jun 5 09:18:34 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Sun Jun 5 08:18:41 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a changeofpace) In-Reply-To: <1ab.39c34aae.2fd3021b@aol.com> Message-ID: Frone, You are correct. You can not furl when close to broaching and losing rudder control. IMF works best when not under heavy load. I would gain control of the boat, slowly head up (luffing if needed to slow down), tension topping lift, head into the wind and furl. It goes a lot smoother now that I have 4 years with boat. I would think loosening the outhaul would increase flogging. Wally >From: FCrawford0707@aol.com >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a >changeofpace) >Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:09:47 EDT > >Wally - We used about 15 gallons altogether. A question / comment on the >IMF - We were sailing along downwind toward Herirng Bay, first in pretty >light >winds, so we had full genoa out, as well as full main, jibing a couple of >times to keep our wind angle at about 120 degrees, which kept the genoa >drawing. As the wind piped up, we furled the genoa, and under main alone >were >surfing a bit and making great VMG, as we were heading straight toward >the >destination, almost directly downwind, with the main to starboard. Life's >good. >Our problem came in later furling the main, as with about 15 kn of true >wind, >our apparent wind was about to change abruptly from c.10 to over 15, as we >would steer into the wind to furl. I was concerned about broaching in the >process. We ended up letting the outhaul slacken enough to belly out the >main >quite a bit as we turned into the wind (keeping the wind over the port >side in >order to maintain the "slot" at the mast). This reduced the sail area >exposed to wind enough that we then furled the main w/o the boat heeling >dramatically as we turned into the wind. My question - how have any of >you handled >this same situation ? Is there a better way of dealing with this than >letting >the main belly out ? > Frone Crawford > s/v Sunday Morning >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From FCrawford0707 at aol.com Sun Jun 5 09:53:22 2005 From: FCrawford0707 at aol.com (FCrawford0707@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 5 08:53:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Crawford adventure begins (for a changeofpace) Message-ID: <111.4b92b872.2fd44fc2@aol.com> Wally and Rummy - Thanks for the advice on IMF-furling. What seemed to get us from downwind thru wind on the beam (heaviest pressure on the sail) w/o broaching was to partially release the outhaul - so flogging was minimized but effective sail area was reduced - the foot was almost "u-shaped". From R22RumRunner at aol.com Sun Jun 5 11:08:26 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 5 10:08:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] True Blue Photos Message-ID: <1e4.3cf8bfcf.2fd4615a@aol.com> In a message dated 6/4/2005 8:50:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gjm@macgra.com writes: http://homepage.mac.com/macmillan Gregg, You need to change the caption on one of the pictures. You have a picture of the "Admiral" with the caption "crew". I'm sure this is simply a typo. Rummy From stan at rhodes22.com Sun Jun 5 12:39:43 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Sun Jun 5 11:39:46 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators Message-ID: <024a01c569e4$d04d6440$d01f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> you wise men (and ladies) may have covered this already: does the use of 100% biodiesel fuel solve the diesel generator health problems? stan/gbi From flybrad at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 10:07:19 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sun Jun 5 12:07:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators In-Reply-To: <024a01c569e4$d04d6440$d01f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <20050605160719.40529.qmail@web32902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Stan, Even using straight diesel fuel solves the carbon monoxide problem, biodiesel makes it smell better. The problem is that the smallest diesel weighs about 2-3 times the 1000 watt Hondas/Yamahas. Fisher-Panda makes a very slick sailboat genset that is extremely quiet (demo'd one at the Annapolis power boat show) but it is too heavy to be portable. There are a couple of German and Italian companies that make small diesels in the 4 - 6 hp range (with Chinese knockoffs available as well) that could be converted to genset use - still the weight problem though. It will be hard to beat the weight (26 lbs) or the quietness (54 decibels) and the price ($600 - 700) of the Honda/Yamahas. I took the muffler cover off my Honda eu1000i to have a good look at the muffler. It would be very easy to weld a fitting on the muffler to connect it to a flexible genturi type exhaust elevated by an extra halyard. So far that is the best solution I've heard of. A 1000 watts is enough to run a 500 watt microwave or up to about a 5000 btu air-conditioner. Brad --- stan wrote: > you wise men (and ladies) may have covered this > already: > > does the use of 100% biodiesel fuel solve the diesel > generator health problems? > > stan/gbi > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From flybrad at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 10:37:08 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sun Jun 5 12:37:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators In-Reply-To: <024a01c569e4$d04d6440$d01f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <20050605163709.37490.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Stan, Read this and go put your engineer hat on. http://safetynet.smis.doi.gov/LakemeadreportFI.PDF#search='Comparison%20of%20a%20Dry%20Stack%20with%20Existing%20Generator' I'd go sailing but it's so hot here my car has melted into the driveway! Brad --- stan wrote: > you wise men (and ladies) may have covered this > already: > > does the use of 100% biodiesel fuel solve the diesel > generator health problems? > > stan/gbi > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mark at kaynor.org Sun Jun 5 11:56:23 2005 From: mark at kaynor.org (Mark Kaynor) Date: Sun Jun 5 13:22:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Humor / political - Paul Revere- Hero or Traitor? Message-ID: <3679545F3D7F@kaynor.org> Paul Revere A Despicable Tattletale, Says GOP Republicans today criticized Paul Revere for his famous ride, saying that he had violated professional colonial ethics by divulging military secrets in violation of his duty to his lord, the King of England. "These were sensitive informations about military troop movements with which he had been entrusted," said G. Gordon Liddy, an expert on ethics in government and a professor at several unaccredited law schools. "Paul Revere was a traitor and a law breaker," said Anakin Skywalker in a confidential interview shortly before his limbs were lopped off and he burst into flame. Conservatives all over America pointed out that Revere also endangered people's lives by riding willy nilly all over Massachusetts at a full gallop in the dark of night. "He could have trampled someone," said Bill O'Reilly. "Paul Revere was a reckless and irresponsible nazi," he added. Pat Buchanan derided Revere as a "coward" and a "snake" who was unwilling to be direct with the British government regarding his complaints about the monarchy. "There were channels," he said. Peggy Noonan shook her head. "There's nothing sadder than Americans who have no respect for the rule of law," she said. --------------------------------------- Doug Garnett-Deakin JPI - Bringing Secure Collaboration to an Open World doug@jpidev.com http://www.jpidev.com Phn. 540-818-3098 Fax 703-997-1478 --------------------------------------- From flybrad at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 11:53:31 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sun Jun 5 13:53:35 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Humor / political - Paul Revere- Hero or Traitor? In-Reply-To: <3679545F3D7F@kaynor.org> Message-ID: <20050605175331.72014.qmail@web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark, We all know the story, Nixon participated in the cover-up of some illegal activities (really stupid when you consider his lead in 1972), got caught and forced out. The controversy surrounding Mr. Felt "Deep Throat" is using his position at the FBI to pursue a personal agenda, not whether Nixon was good or bad, needed to go or didn't. As it turns out, Felt may have been no better than Hoover and his attempts to unseat Dr. King from power. The problem here is misuse of government power, and that cuts both ways regardless of your partisanship. Here's a lot more reading. Suggestion to all - hit delete now and go sailing. You've been warned! Brad --------------- washingtonpost.com Deep Throat's Other Legacy By Colbert I. King Post Saturday, June 4, 2005; A17 I share the pride of my Post colleagues in our newspaper's pursuit of Watergate, "the biggest political story in modern American history," as reporter Michael Dobbs described it in an article on Thursday. And as a member of The Post's editorial board, I also echo our Wednesday commentary, which said that former FBI deputy director W. Mark Felt, aka "Deep Throat," deserves to be honored for his role in bringing to light Richard Nixon's serious abuses of power. That honor, however, is not the full extent of Felt's legacy. Felt's devotion to J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI caused him, I believe, to place the bureau ahead of the Constitution and his own faithfulness to the Bill of Rights. Felt's Watergate heroics notwithstanding, he was also on board when the FBI's series of covert action programs against Americans was well underway. He was a high FBI official when the bureau, arrogating unto itself the role of judge, jury and vigilante, trampled with impunity on the rights of citizens. Felt was there when the FBI sought to get teachers fired, when it tried to stop people from speaking on campus, when it prevented the distribution of books and newspapers and when it disrupted peaceful demonstrations and antiwar marches. Those shameful activities are cited in stark detail in Book III of the April 1976 Final Report of the Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations With Respect to Intelligence Activities of the United States Senate. In the name of protecting national security and preventing violence, the FBI tried to promote factionalism and violence between groups it regarded as domestic threats. It planted informants to spread false rumors, labeled innocent people as "snitches" and passed along derogatory information to the families and friends of investigative targets, sometimes through anonymous letters or telephone calls. These despicable actions were carried out under COINTELPRO, an FBI acronym for "counterintelligence program." Mark Felt knew all about it. At one time he was an assistant FBI director in charge of the inspection division. Consider the Senate committee's report on Felt's involvement: "The inspection division attempted to ensure that standard procedures were being followed. The Inspectors focused on two things: field office participation and the mechanics of headquarters approval. But the Inspection Division did not exercise oversight in the sense of looking for wrongdoing. Rather, it was an active participant in COINTELPRO by attempting to make sure that it was being efficiently and enthusiastically conducted." Felt himself testified before the Senate committee that he did not investigate the "propriety" of COINTELPRO. To quote the Senate report: "[Felt] agreed that his job was 'to determine whether the program was being pursued effectively as opposed to whether it was proper,' and [Felt] added, 'There was no instruction to me, nor do I believe there is any instruction in the Inspector's manual that the Inspector should be on the alert to see that constitutional values are being protected' " (Felt's testimony before the Senate select committee, Feb. 3, 1976). Lest there be any misunderstanding, Felt was not a passive observer as FBI agents conducted clandestine and illegal operations against innocent Americans. As The Post stated in Wednesday's editorial, Felt "was convicted of (and later pardoned for) authorizing illegal acts in pursuit of leftist radicals in the early 1970s." Here's the rest of the story. When Felt was the No. 2 official in the FBI, he and Edward S. Miller, chief of the bureau's intelligence division, authorized burglaries at the homes of friends and relatives of members of the radical Weather Underground. The break-ins were illegal and a violation of the Fourth Amendment. Felt and Miller were prosecuted in 1980 for their unconstitutional invasion of privacy by John W. Nields Jr., later chief House counsel to the Iran-contra hearings and earlier chief counsel to the 1977-78 House investigation of Korean influence-peddling in Congress. Nields told the jury: "You will hear the sounds of the Weatherman bombs ringing in your ears. We ask you also to listen for the sound of the Constitution of the United States. It doesn't make quite as much noise as the Weatherman bombs. It doesn't shriek at you. It doesn't even whisper. It just sits there silent, as it's done for 200 years, through war and depressions, through good times and bad." The jury heard Nields. Felt and Miller, after an eight-week trial, were convicted of conspiracy for authorizing illegal searches and fined a total of $8,500. The Post stated in an editorial at the time [Dec. 15, 1980]: "The crime of which they were convicted by a jury is a serious one. It grew out of one of the more tawdry episodes in federal law enforcement -- the burglaries of private homes by FBI agents in pursuit of opponents of the war in Vietnam. . . . The dimensions of the wrongdoing by the FBI in those days -- and before -- are far larger than the specifics of the case against Messrs. Felt and Miller. The 'black bag jobs' were only part of a system of so-called law enforcements that ignored the principles of individual rights and personal privacy that are at the heart of this nation's political legacy." Four months later, without talking to the prosecution, consulting the judge or conducting the customary Justice Department review, President Ronald Reagan, asserting that Felt and Miller were motivated by "high principle to bring an end to the terrorism that was threatening our nation," pardoned the two high-ranking FBI officials. To be sure, Mark Felt's role as "Deep Throat" earned him a place in history. So, however, did his complicity in COINTELPRO, the FBI's dirty little secret war against Americans. kingc@washpost.com ? 2005 The Washington Post Company ----------------------------- THROAT CLEARING Deep Secret? With Watergate's mystery solved, legend gives way to ambivalence. BY LEONARD GARMENT Saturday, June 4, 2005 12:01 a.m. It seems only civilized that every expiring political secret should get a decent burial. But the death of Deep Throat--via the recent announcement that this prime source was W. Mark Felt Jr., acting associate director of the FBI at the time of Watergate--does not deserve a state funeral. The secret was, while it lasted, one of the wonders of American politics. Researchers scoured Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein's book, "All the President's Men," which brought Deep Throat to literary life, for identifying clues. Nixon insiders joined the hunt. Edward L. Morgan, assistant secretary of the Treasury in charge of the Secret Service during the Nixon administration, wrongly named me--a former counsel to President Nixon--as Deep Throat. I took justifiable umbrage. I wrongly named former Nixon official John Sears as Deep Throat. He took justifiable umbrage. Now it turns out that the linchpin of the structure supporting so many ideas about the nature of American government was a man who acted out of complicated motives. More, his words of encouragement to Messrs. Woodward and Bernstein--which were crucial to the reporters' consequential reporting on Watergate--were probably based on some things Mark Felt actually knew firsthand and others he did not. Mr. Felt, now 91, was near the top of everyone's list of Deep Throat suspects from the time when "All the President's Men" was published. His high position in the FBI gave him extensive access to the Watergate investigation that the Bureau conducted after the break-in. Also, Mr. Felt, a former FBI special agent, knew about clandestine operations; after Watergate he was convicted for authorizing illegal break-ins in the early 1970s. (In 1981, Felt was pardoned by President Reagan.) More, after the death of J. Edgar Hoover in 1972, Mr. Felt thought he was the leading candidate to succeed Hoover as FBI director. But he was passed over in favor of L. Patrick Gray, a novice at law enforcement but a Nixon loyalist. Finally, from the beginning of the Nixon presidency, relations between the White House and FBI career personnel were uneasy. The Bureau refused some requests for wiretaps and terminated others without consulting the White House. For its part, the White House acted to lessen its dependence on the FBI for intelligence by hiring its own investigators. After the break-in, the White House tried to block the FBI's investigation of the event. It was during the post-break-in pressure by the White House that Deep Throat began meeting with Mr. Woodward. So why did many Deep Throat researchers--especially insiders--reject the idea of Mr. Felt? Because much information that Deep Throat provided was a matter less of specific facts about the Watergate investigation than about the nature of the Nixon White House. Deep Throat talked about the clockwork craziness the White House had become, about the sound of Nixon angry and the character of individuals involved in the coverup. These insights were presented with the certainty of personal experience. But they were not within the firsthand knowledge of an FBI official, even a senior one. It may yet turn out that there were composite elements in Deep Throat and that some of these insights came from sources other than Mr. Felt. Or it may be that Mr. Felt presented to Mr. Woodward as authoritative information some things that were firsthand observations, some that were reliable secondhand gleanings, and some that were more or less informed surmises. It might not have mattered. While Deep Throat was talking, Watergate burglar James McCord was mitigating his probable sentence by spilling the beans to the federal grand jury under the direction of Judge John Sirica. In this drama, which led directly to the exposure of the Watergate coverup, Deep Throat was a marginal player. If Deep Throat was not critical to the unraveling of Watergate, then what was his importance? Perhaps it was to foster in American politics the idea that the central feature of our government is the secret knowledge held by those at the center of power, and that only through the bravery of whistleblowers like Deep Throat can the polity gain the keys to the secrets and the ability to reassert democratic control. This idea has had consequences since Watergate, many of them problematic. In fact, it is an idea about which Mark Felt himself was, until this year, ambivalent. Against the arguments of his family, he resisted identifying himself as Deep Throat, saying that he feared he might be seen as a turncoat rather than a decent man. This ambivalence and the mixed motives that gave rise to it are now on public view, replacing the legend created by "All the President's Men." In this display of very ordinary human impulses, Deep Throat is laid to rest. Mr. Garment, former counsel to President Nixon, is author of "In Search of Deep Throat" (Basic Books, 2000). --------------------------------- Big media's high-water mark The Deep Throat story revives memories of the liberals' heyday in covering the news - before cable and blogs James P. Pinkerton June 2, 2005 For the major media, Watergate was the "good war," in which purely heroic reporters brought down the thoroughly villainous Richard Nixon. So the belated revelation that W. Mark Felt was Deep Throat is being cheered by the press establishment - even if those cheers sound a bit like last gasps. Not surprisingly, The Washington Post ran seven self-back-patting articles yesterday, including two on the front page. But others in the Old Media joined in, too: Felt-is-"Throat" led all three nightly broadcast news shows and filled up countless other news holes. For the mostly liberal MSM - mainstream media - the Felt story is a chance to walk down happy-memory lane, to the halcyon days of the 1970s, before talk radio, cable news and the blogosphere. Yes, Nixon was president, but liberalism was nevertheless entrenched in the media and in Congress. So when Watergate erupted in 1973, the press and the Democrats were ready. Their man, Archibald Cox, a top Justice Department official under John F. Kennedy, was brought in from Harvard to do in Nixon. And when Nixon fired Cox, he was forced to name yet another loyal Democrat, Leon Jaworski, to finish the job. Let's make one thing perfectly clear: Nixon was a crook. His White House tapes prove that. But what was absent back then was any sense of perspective in which Nixon's sins were compared to those of other presidents. As an impressionable teen back then, I remember the chairman of the Watergate investigating committee, Sen. Sam Ervin (D-N.C.), declaring that the scandal was "the greatest tragedy this country has ever suffered, [worse than] the Civil War." At the time, I took those words to heart, mostly because there was no voice in the media to simply laugh out loud in derisive response. Watergate was worse than the death of 600,000 people in the War Between the States? Worse than the Depression? Worse than any number of disasters, epidemics, lynchings and assassinations? Please. A few perspectival voices popped up, but only on the fringes. In 1977, Victor Lasky published "It Didn't Start With Watergate," which chronicled Democratic presidential wrongdoing, including John Kennedy's misuse of the IRS and the FBI, as well as Lyndon Johnson's wiretapping of Barry Goldwater. In today's more diverse media environment, Lasky's book would be a huge best-seller. OK, back to the present. Felt is being lionized, but he's a strange kind of hero. In 1980, he was convicted of ordering FBI agents to burgle the homes of political dissidents. Isn't that kind of close to what Nixon's men were guilty of? And after decades of denial, at 91, now he comes forward - or at least his daughter does, on the stroke-ridden old man's behalf. As she explained to Vanity Fair, "Bob Woodward's gonna get all the glory for this, but we could make at least enough money to pay some bills." Woodward, of course, gets money as well as glory. After decades' worth of book and movie deals, he and Carl Bernstein sold their papers for $5 million. Some of that wealth comes from the deliberate "embellishment" of the Deep Throat legend, according to Watergate expert Adrian Havill, who demonstrated the physical implausibility of many of the cloak-and-dagger details of Woodward's account - the moved flowerpots, the marked newspapers - in his 1993 book, "Deep Truth." And Timothy Noah of Slate.com - a Web site owned, interestingly enough, by The Washington Post - took note of other untruths. For example, Woodward always described Deep Throat as a heavy smoker. But, in fact, Felt was not a smoker. While Woodward might call this faux detail a piece of "necessary misdirection," in order to protect a source, Noah snapped, "I call it conscious fabrication, however trivial." Watergate was not trivial. But neither was it an Armageddon-like triumph of good over evil. But for sure, it represented the high-water mark of the MSM, before its tide rolled out, drained away by new technology. We shall not see that sort of unidirectional press-flood again. James P. Pinkerton's e-mail ad- dress is pinkerto@ix.netcom.com. Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc. -------------------------------- PEGGY NOONAN The Legend of Deep Throat Was Mark Felt really a hero? Thursday, June 2, 2005 12:01 a.m. Some wounds don't fully heal because they're too deep and cut too close to the bone. The story that Deep Throat was Mark Felt has torn open old wounds. Pat Buchanan, Robert Novak and Chuck Colson--all at the top of their game 30 years ago, all very much in the game today--were passionate in their criticism, saying Mr. Felt has little to be proud of, was unprofessional, harmed his country. Ben Stein was blunt: Mr. Felt "broke the law, broke his oath, and broke his code of ethics." Old Watergate hand Richard Ben-Veniste and the Washington Post's Richard Cohen called Mr. Felt a hero. The old battle lines fall into place. As to the higher themes of the story, some were credulous. On the "Today" show yesterday Chris Matthews called those who have criticized Mr. Felt "hacks and flacks," whereas reporters "are looking for the truth" and can be trusted. Glad he cleared that up. Was Mr. Felt a hero? No one wants to be hard on an ailing 91-year-old man. Mr. Felt no doubt operated in some perceived jeopardy and judged himself brave. He had every right to disapprove of and wish to stop what he saw as new moves to politicize the FBI. But a hero would have come forward, resigned his position, declared his reasons, and exposed himself to public scrutiny. He would have taken the blows and the kudos. (Knowing both Nixon and the media, there would have been plenty of both.) Heroes pay the price. Mr. Felt simply leaked information gained from his position in government to damage those who were doing what he didn't want done. Then he retired with a government pension. This does not appear to have been heroism, and he appears to have known it. Thus, perhaps, the great silence. His motives were apparently mixed, as motives often are. He was passed over to replace J. Edgar Hoover as director of the FBI by President Nixon, who apparently wanted in that place not a Hoover man but a more malleable appointee. Mr. Felt was resentful. He believed Nixon meant to jeopardize the agency's independence. Here we have a hitch in the story. The liberal story line on the FBI was that under Hoover it had too much independence, which Hoover protected with his famous secret files and a reputation for ruthlessness. Mr. Felt was a Hoover man who joined the FBI in 1942, when it was young; he rose under Hoover and never knew another director. When Hooverism was threatened, Mr. Felt moved. In this sense Richard Nixon was J. Edgar Hoover's last victim. History is an irony factory. Even if Mr. Felt had mixed motives, even if he did not choose the most courageous path in attempting to spread what he thought was the truth, his actions might be judged by their fruits. The Washington Post said yesterday that Mr. Felt's information allowed them to continue their probe. That probe brought down a president. Ben Stein is angry but not incorrect: What Mr. Felt helped produce was a weakened president who was a serious president at a serious time. Nixon's ruin led to a cascade of catastrophic events--the crude and humiliating abandonment of Vietnam and the Vietnamese, the rise of a monster named Pol Pot, and millions--millions--killed in his genocide. America lost confidence; the Soviet Union gained brazenness. What a terrible time. Is it terrible when an American president lies and surrounds himself by dirty tricksters? Yes, it is. How about the butchering of children in the South China Sea. Is that worse? Yes. Infinitely, unforgettably and forever. And so the story that Mark Felt was Deep Throat exposes old fissures, and those fissures are alive and can burst open because a wound this size--all this death, all this loss--doesn't really heal. Maybe the big lesson on Felt and Watergate is as simple as the law of unintended consequences. You do something and things happen and you don't mean them to, and if you could take it back you would, but it's too late. The repercussions have already repercussed. Mark Felt cannot have intended to encourage such epic destruction. He must have thought he was doing the right thing, protecting his agency and maybe getting some forgivable glee out of making Nixon look bad. But oh the implications. Literally: the horror. Were there heroes of Watergate? Surely many unknown ones, those who did their best to be constructive and not destructive, those who didn't think it was all about their beautiful careers. I'll give you a candidate for great man of the era: Chuck Colson. Colson functioned in the Nixon White House as a genuinely bad man, went to prison and emerged a genuinely good man. He told the truth about himself in "Born Again," a book not fully appreciated as the great Washington classic it is, and has devoted his life to helping prisoners and their families. He paid the price, told the truth, blamed no one but himself, and turned his shame into something helpful. Children aren't dead because of him. There are children who are alive because of him. Is the Deep Throat story over? Yes, in the sense that it will no longer be treated as a mystery. In spite of the million questions we'll be hearing--and there are and will be many serious questions--the MSM will stick with the heroic narrative. Mr. Felt was Deep Throat. Deep Throat was a great man who helped a great newspaper put the stop to the lies and abuses of an out-of-control White House. End of story. Why? Because in celebrating this story in a certain way journalists of a certain age celebrate themselves. Because to bring unwelcome and unwanted skepticism to the narrative would be to deny 20th-century journalism--and 21st-century journalists--their great claim to glory. Because the MSM is still liberal, and the great Satan of all liberals, still, is Richard Nixon. And because, as Ben Bradlee might say, It's a goddamn good story. Or as they put it in yet another John Ford masterpiece, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance," "When the legend becomes the fact, print the legend." Ms. Noonan is a contributing editor of The Wall Street Journal and author of "A Heart, a Cross, and a Flag" (Wall Street Journal Books/Simon & Schuster), a collection of post-Sept. 11 columns, which you can buy from the OpinionJournal bookstore. Her column appears Thursdays. Copyright ? 2005 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. -------------------------------------- June 2, 2005 Hoover's Guy By Thomas Lifson I am confused by the liberal media. Until yesterday?s revelation that Mark Felt was Deep Throat, I was pretty sure that liberals disapproved when a top official of the FBI gathered information from the Bureau?s formidable investigative apparatus, and then used that information to accomplish a personal agenda, by threatening to use it to discredit top politicians, or even, in rare cases, using it to bring down someone. That was the rap against J. Edgar Hoover. Supposedly, he kept detailed dossiers on all the top officials in Washington, and his careful use of the occasionally compromising information his agents developed accounted for his unprecedented tenure in office, ample budgets, and positive press (as long as he was alive). Wasn?t it liberal gospel that J. Edgar Hoover, who built the FBI into our pre-eminent law enforcement agency, was an Evil Man? Didn?t liberals consider Hoover such an abuser of democracy that any tactics were justified to smear him? For example, it is now an established mass media meme that Hoover was a cross-dresser, despite the fact that the allegation he ever wore dresses was a highly questionable one, made by someone not in a direct position to know. Not to mention that liberals seem to think cross-dressing, gender identity switches, and even radical sex change operations, are nothing particular worrisome, and indeed, may well be a Liberating experience, and something to be celebrated in the name of diversity and tolerance. Not in the case of Hoover, though. So I don?t necessarily expect liberals to think clearly and be consistent when dealing with issues related to the FBI. But aren?t at least a few of them worried about what lionization of Mark Felt will mean for the future? Felt was an FBI loyalist in the image J. Edgar Hoover had created for the bureau in its glory days: a career official who lived by the bureau's codes, one of which was the sanctity of an investigation and the protection of secrets. He chased down lawbreakers of all kinds, using whatever means were available to the bureau, and was convicted in 1980 of authorizing illegal break-ins -- black-bag jobs, as they were known -- of friends of members of the Weather Underground. He was later pardoned by President Ronald Reagan. Mark Felt used confidential law enforcement data, the product of an ongoing criminal investigation, to get Richard Nixon out of office. Ever since he rose to national prominence fighting hidden domestic Communists like Alger Hiss, Richard Nixon was anathema to the liberals. Getting Nixon out of office was such a priority that maybe all sins can be forgiven. But there is the little matter of precedent. Felt is being hailed by liberals as a Hero of Our Time because he actually drove Nixon from office with his abuse of his high position in law enforcement. Can you imagine the reactions these same folk would have had if someone in law enforcement or the Secret Service had leaked information about Bill Clinton during the period when he was being impeached and tried? For the moment, liberals cannot help themselves. Nixon?s resignation was the absolute high point of liberal self-congratulatory righteousness in the last half century. Like paunchy, bald former frat boys at a thirtieth reunion remembering beer blasts and comely coeds, those days are surrounded by the glow treasured memories assume when current circumstances are less favorable. ?Those were the days, my friend, we thought they?d never end.? But they have ended. The last Democrat to win a convincing majority of the popular vote for President was Jimmy Carter, who rode into office in the wake of Watergate. The Democrats have spent more than a decade without a majority in the House, and are not positioned to get a Senate majority in the foreseeable future. The red states are growing in population and electoral clout, while the blues have the population and economic blues. In this environment, do the liberals really want to celebrate a man whose career was built in the shadow of J. Edgar Hoover? A man who took the opportunity to use confidential ;aw enforcement data to get revenge on an elected official by whom he felt slighted? I don?t think there will be many statues of Mark Felt. Once they get over their nostalgia bash, I think the liberals are going to sober up and realize that they tactics they now celebrate could be used against them. At least I hope so. 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Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Sun Jun 5 20:04:17 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Sun Jun 5 19:04:25 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators References: <024a01c569e4$d04d6440$d01f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <005101c56a22$e6a766d0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Stan: The biodiesel fuel is great; however, if the fuel sits for a spell you will still see "growth" in your filter bowl. Not a major problem: drain and go, or if it looks really nasty, change the filter. Biggest problem with generators is not using them enough and not using them with a load applied. Most guides, I believe, will tell you to run a hour or two a month minimum with load. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "stan" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators you wise men (and ladies) may have covered this already: does the use of 100% biodiesel fuel solve the diesel generator health problems? stan/gbi __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From gjm at macgra.com Sun Jun 5 20:25:10 2005 From: gjm at macgra.com (Gregg J. MacMillan) Date: Sun Jun 5 19:25:21 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] True Blue Photos In-Reply-To: <1e4.3cf8bfcf.2fd4615a@aol.com> References: <1e4.3cf8bfcf.2fd4615a@aol.com> Message-ID: >Gregg, >You need to change the caption on one of the pictures. You have a picture of >the "Admiral" with the caption "crew". I'm sure this is simply a typo. > Rummy Rummy-- Thanks for alerting me to the typo. I made the correction. I knew crew didn't sound right...that would seem to indicate a person that understands and takes orders and then carries out the command. That definitely is not correct. Admiral, someone better at giving than receiving orders, is much more appropriate. Today we had a nice breeze from the Southwest. It brought in some of that hot, moist 90 degree air from Memphis. (Thanks Brad!). It almost made me start thinking about air conditioning. I added a few new pictures to: --Gregg From robert at squirrelhaven.com Sun Jun 5 22:16:54 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Sun Jun 5 21:16:50 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators References: <20050605160719.40529.qmail@web32902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A3A406.F6E5FC15@squirrelhaven.com> brad haslett wrote: > ... > Even using straight diesel fuel solves the carbon > monoxide problem, biodiesel makes it smell better... Really? No CO from diesels? > I took the muffler cover off my Honda > eu1000i to have a good look at the muffler. It would > be very easy to weld a fitting on the muffler to > connect it to a flexible genturi type exhaust elevated > by an extra halyard. The coffee-can-nosebag-shop-vac-hose solution has the advantage of using cooling air outflow from the genset to mix with the exhaust and prevent the shop vac hose from melting. Further, as it requires mo modification of the genset, the genset can be used in other applications in its stock configuration. /Bob Skinner From flybrad at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 20:20:40 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Sun Jun 5 22:20:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] diesel generators In-Reply-To: <42A3A406.F6E5FC15@squirrelhaven.com> Message-ID: <20050606022040.5465.qmail@web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, Perhaps better wording would be "helps" solve the CO problem. Here is a link to an article about gas vs. diesel and an excerpt. http://www.yachtsurvey.com/GasDiesel.htm "Of far more concern is the issue of carbon monoxide poisoning. Diesel exhaust produces far less CO than gas exhaust, though diesel exhaust produces suphur dioxide that can quickly cause nausea, but is not life threatening. Gas generators are responsible for most instances of CO poisoning, with leaking exhuast systems and station wagon effect a very distant second place. If you plan to do much overighting at anchor with a generator running, diesel is definitely the way to go." The "genturi" I referred to in an earlier posts looks like what your "nosebag" sounds like. Still waiting on the photo. Your set-up sounds like the best of all so far. Brad --- Robert Skinner wrote: > brad haslett wrote: > > ... > > Even using straight diesel fuel solves the carbon > > monoxide problem, biodiesel makes it smell > better... > > Really? No CO from diesels? > > > I took the muffler cover off my Honda > > eu1000i to have a good look at the muffler. It > would > > be very easy to weld a fitting on the muffler to > > connect it to a flexible genturi type exhaust > elevated > > by an extra halyard. > > The coffee-can-nosebag-shop-vac-hose solution has > the > advantage of using cooling air outflow from the > genset > to mix with the exhaust and prevent the shop vac > hose > from melting. Further, as it requires mo > modification > of the genset, the genset can be used in other > applications in its stock configuration. > > /Bob Skinner > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Mon Jun 6 00:42:07 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Sun Jun 5 23:33:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? References: <000001c56902$cb3275a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> <000d01c56915$6affdcf0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: <00b801c56a49$bc73f500$ad639c04@raysdesktop> Might there be anyone on the Rhodes 22 list who resides in New England and would be willing to let someone come down and see their boat? Even more desirable if possible would be the opportunity to go for a sail on one in order to get a concrete feel for sail characteristics. Thanks in advance for any assistance. From ASNOOCH at aol.com Mon Jun 6 01:50:53 2005 From: ASNOOCH at aol.com (ASNOOCH@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 6 00:51:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? Message-ID: <1dd.3eaf859e.2fd5302d@aol.com> I'm located on the East end of Long Island , an owner of the Rhodes 22, Golden Snooch.... Sailing several days per week from her slip in the Town of Southold. If you are still interested.... no problem... Burt From ekroposki at charter.net Mon Jun 6 08:06:52 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Mon Jun 6 07:07:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? In-Reply-To: <00b801c56a49$bc73f500$ad639c04@raysdesktop> Message-ID: <000601c56a87$db1060a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> James, New York has replied, but where in New England are you? Yes, there are several R22's in New England, but New York could be closer. We just have to guess. On the other hand, just get into your car and come to South Carolina. There are several of us on Lake Hartwell. Just come on down. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Sailing on Rummy's private impoundment, aka, Lake Hartwell: www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/hartnonc.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of James Wilson Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:42 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? Might there be anyone on the Rhodes 22 list who resides in New England and would be willing to let someone come down and see their boat? Even more desirable if possible would be the opportunity to go for a sail on one in order to get a concrete feel for sail characteristics. Thanks in advance for any assistance. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jwilson22 at prodigy.net Mon Jun 6 09:10:03 2005 From: jwilson22 at prodigy.net (James Wilson) Date: Mon Jun 6 08:02:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? References: <000601c56a87$db1060a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <00ca01c56a90$b420a3c0$ad639c04@raysdesktop> I live in Portsmouth, NH, so Maine NH, Mass would be ideal to keep commute to a minimum, If I need to travel further afield It is a possibility. Thank you for kind ofers to all who have responded so far. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed kroposki" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:06 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? James, New York has replied, but where in New England are you? Yes, there are several R22's in New England, but New York could be closer. We just have to guess. On the other hand, just get into your car and come to South Carolina. There are several of us on Lake Hartwell. Just come on down. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Sailing on Rummy's private impoundment, aka, Lake Hartwell: www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/hartnonc.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of James Wilson Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:42 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? Might there be anyone on the Rhodes 22 list who resides in New England and would be willing to let someone come down and see their boat? Even more desirable if possible would be the opportunity to go for a sail on one in order to get a concrete feel for sail characteristics. Thanks in advance for any assistance. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From jbconnolly at comcast.net Mon Jun 6 13:51:09 2005 From: jbconnolly at comcast.net (jbconnolly@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jun 6 08:51:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? Message-ID: <060620051251.20827.42A446BD0008D57B0000515B2207021053970404010202010C0D06@comcast.net> James, I live in Acton about an hour from you, and that is where the boat is, high and dry on the trailer. I haven't even had the winter cover off yet. There is at least one other R22 in Salem Harbor where I generally keep mine in summer, perhaps he can respond. Also I think there is one in Quincy Bay just south of Boston. Both are (at least periodically) on this list. Good Luck Jim Connolly > I live in Portsmouth, NH, so Maine NH, Mass would be ideal to keep commute > to a minimum, > > If I need to travel further afield It is a possibility. > > Thank you for kind ofers to all who have responded so far. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ed kroposki" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:06 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? > > > James, > New York has replied, but where in New England are you? Yes, there > are several R22's in New England, but New York could be closer. We just > have to guess. > On the other hand, just get into your car and come to South > Carolina. There are several of us on Lake Hartwell. Just come on down. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Sailing on Rummy's private impoundment, aka, Lake Hartwell: > www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/hartnonc.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of James Wilson > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:42 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? > > Might there be anyone on the Rhodes 22 list who resides in New England and > would be willing to let someone come down and see their boat? > > Even more desirable if possible would be the opportunity to go for a sail on > one in order to get a concrete feel for sail characteristics. > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From flybrad at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 16:19:48 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Mon Jun 6 18:19:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Message-ID: <20050606221948.78981.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perhaps you?ve forgotten, 61 years ago today, a lot of young American boys stormed and died taking the beaches of Normandy. Before that, a horrible number of boys, American and British, died taking control of the coast of North Africa. We fought the Vichy French for three days, and they mentally masturbated for the next week deciding whose side they were on. The French surrendered (was there some doubt) and the Vichy commanders eventually joined the Free French, with the sacrifice of our good men, and took France back from the Germans. Note: if you disagree with this assessment, REALLY do your homework and get back to me. We could have sat out the whole war ? Charles Lindbergh suggested that course (America First). We could have spared ourselves a whole lot of trouble ? the hundreds of thousands dead, creating Israel and the downstream confrontation and defense, the Cold War, and our current war against tyranny. We didn?t. The boys who charged the beaches 61 years ago and died on that beach didn?t dream of being a part of a world power (the US Army was the 16th largest military, right behind Romania at the start of the war). They didn?t dream of being a big shot in a world government. They wanted to go home to their farms and jobs in Iowa, Minnesota, California, etc., and live their life in peace. They?re mostly gone now. Let?s hope we have even a small part of their courage and perseverance. It would be remiss of us to not remember them on this day. Brad Haslett (Proud son of a ?Red Ball Express? soldier) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From david.walker5 at comcast.net Mon Jun 6 20:01:05 2005 From: david.walker5 at comcast.net (David Walker) Date: Mon Jun 6 19:01:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? References: <000001c56902$cb3275a0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst><000d01c56915$6affdcf0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> <00b801c56a49$bc73f500$ad639c04@raysdesktop> Message-ID: <001f01c56aeb$a1784600$6401a8c0@hsd1.ma.comcast.net> James, My R22, Windswept, is moored in Salem (MA) Harbor. You are welcome to come down and see her, just let me know and we can set up a time. Dave David Walker David Walker Photography davidwalkerphotography.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Wilson" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? > Might there be anyone on the Rhodes 22 list who resides in New England and > would be willing to let someone come down and see their boat? > > Even more desirable if possible would be the opportunity to go for a sail on > one in order to get a concrete feel for sail characteristics. > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Mon Jun 6 20:20:42 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Mon Jun 6 19:21:07 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? In-Reply-To: <060620051251.20827.42A446BD0008D57B0000515B2207021053970404010202010C0D06@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001c56aee$602cda00$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> James, It is amazing when you give people precise information the answers you get. You might want to help Jim get his boat into the water. You might just learn a great deal. That is, if he is going to put the boat into the water this year. He failed to provide us that detail. I have a brother who lives in Hollis, NH. His interest are not sailboats. Although he took his kids out on my boat in the rain on Memorial day. He kept hiding in the cabin, trying to stay dry. Down here the rain is warm, not a hypothermia problem. You could still fly down, we can sail in the rain down here. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Addendum: James check this out: www.portsmouthherald.com/news/webcam.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of jbconnolly@comcast.net Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:51 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? James, I live in Acton about an hour from you, and that is where the boat is, high and dry on the trailer. I haven't even had the winter cover off yet. There is at least one other R22 in Salem Harbor where I generally keep mine in summer, perhaps he can respond. Also I think there is one in Quincy Bay just south of Boston. Both are (at least periodically) on this list. Good Luck Jim Connolly > I live in Portsmouth, NH, so Maine NH, Mass would be ideal to keep commute > to a minimum, > > If I need to travel further afield It is a possibility. > > Thank you for kind ofers to all who have responded so far. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ed kroposki" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:06 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? > > > James, > New York has replied, but where in New England are you? Yes, there > are several R22's in New England, but New York could be closer. We just > have to guess. > On the other hand, just get into your car and come to South > Carolina. There are several of us on Lake Hartwell. Just come on down. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Sailing on Rummy's private impoundment, aka, Lake Hartwell: > www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/hartnonc.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of James Wilson > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:42 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Northeast Rhodes owners? > > Might there be anyone on the Rhodes 22 list who resides in New England and > would be willing to let someone come down and see their boat? > > Even more desirable if possible would be the opportunity to go for a sail on > one in order to get a concrete feel for sail characteristics. > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com Mon Jun 6 23:06:15 2005 From: BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com (Robert and Sandra Fuller) Date: Mon Jun 6 22:06:31 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site Message-ID: <000501c56b05$7cfd9810$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> You have got to love this site. Where else could a guy who knows little about sailing and less about computers find himself referred to as "a guru in Florida"? Nonetheless, a way to search the archives is to first download whatever portion of the archives interests you onto your computer. Then install Google's "Desktop Search" and use it to search out the keywords of your topic. Bob F. From sdscrop at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 6 23:23:11 2005 From: sdscrop at bellsouth.net (sdscrop@bellsouth.net) Date: Mon Jun 6 22:23:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Sailing Biscayne Bay Message-ID: <20050607022311.OYEF4468.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Richard, I have a Rhodes 22 and am located in Pompano Beach, docked near the Hilsboro Inlet. If you have any questions I am not that far from you. From R22RumRunner at aol.com Tue Jun 7 07:12:30 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 7 06:12:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] James Wilson? Message-ID: <7e.6b0b0331.2fd6cd0e@aol.com> Ed, Rain waters down the rum and coke. Be sure to use a cup with a cover and in this case a straw is permissible. Rummy From ekroposki at charter.net Tue Jun 7 08:45:11 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Tue Jun 7 07:45:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <000501c56b05$7cfd9810$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Message-ID: <000001c56b56$5d3ceac0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Will or Michael: Maybe you could add Bob F.'s instructions to the archive page of the R22 site? Occasionally, somebody might read the instructions. At the very least we could do as Michael is prone to do and say read the ..... Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Annapolis Boat Show Place: www.annapolis.org/camview.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Robert and Sandra Fuller Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 10:06 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site You have got to love this site. Where else could a guy who knows little about sailing and less about computers find himself referred to as "a guru in Florida"? Nonetheless, a way to search the archives is to first download whatever portion of the archives interests you onto your computer. Then install Google's "Desktop Search" and use it to search out the keywords of your topic. Bob F. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From eyeballs at maxinter.net Tue Jun 7 11:01:21 2005 From: eyeballs at maxinter.net (Mark Metzler) Date: Tue Jun 7 10:01:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day References: <20050606221948.78981.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A5A8B1.000001.04020@COMPUTER> Thanks Brad, not sappy at all. I, too remember each year and am thankful for the sacrifice of so many of our men. Mark Metzler - son of T Sgt. Louis Metzler - B-29 gunner -------Original Message------- From: The Rhodes 22 mail list Date: 06/06/05 18:19:53 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Perhaps you?ve forgotten, 61 years ago today, a lot of young American boys stormed and died taking the beaches of Normandy. Before that, a horrible number of boys, American and British, died taking control of the coast of North Africa. We fought the Vichy French for three days, and they mentally masturbated for the next week deciding whose side they were on. The French surrendered (was there some doubt) and the Vichy commanders eventually joined the Free French, with the sacrifice of our good men, and took France back from the Germans. Note: if you disagree with this assessment, REALLY do your homework and get back to me. We could have sat out the whole war ? Charles Lindbergh suggested that course (America First). We could have spared ourselves a whole lot of trouble ? the hundreds of thousands dead, creating Israel and the downstream confrontation and defense, the Cold War, and our current war against tyranny. We didn?t. The boys who charged the beaches 61 years ago and died on that beach didn?t dream of being a part of a world power (the US Army was the 16th largest military, right behind Romania at the start of the war). They didn?t dream of being a big shot in a world government. They wanted to go home to their farms and jobs in Iowa, Minnesota, California, etc., and live their life in peace. They?re mostly gone now. Let?s hope we have even a small part of their courage and perseverance. It would be remiss of us to not remember them on this day. Brad Haslett (Proud son of a ?Red Ball Express? soldier) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From stan at rhodes22.com Tue Jun 7 12:31:06 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Tue Jun 7 11:31:02 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day References: <20050606221948.78981.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42A5A8B1.000001.04020@COMPUTER> Message-ID: <068301c56b75$efb242f0$d01f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> can't resist: "Sappy"? depends on which war and for what and how run. I played myself in WW2, son of Harold Spitzer, WW1. But, at the risk of beating a dead issue, if a war is worth starting it has to be worth winning and that means the home front musts be willing to forget the "guns and butter" approach. Most of these kids who joined the National Guard under disingenuous implications, have not given their lives for this one - their lives have been taken. Don't get mad at me until you can truthfully say that you are willing to give your life to get of rid Sadam. back to butter and sailboats. stan/ec . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Metzler" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > Thanks Brad, not sappy at all. I, too remember each year and am thankful > for the sacrifice of so many of our men. > Mark Metzler - son of T Sgt. Louis Metzler - B-29 gunner > > -------Original Message------- > > From: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: 06/06/05 18:19:53 > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > Perhaps you've forgotten, 61 years ago today, a lot of > young American boys stormed and died taking the > beaches of Normandy. Before that, a horrible number > of boys, American and British, died taking control of > the coast of North Africa. We fought the Vichy French > for three days, and they mentally masturbated for the > next week deciding whose side they were on. The > French surrendered (was there some doubt) and the > Vichy commanders eventually joined the Free French, > with the sacrifice of our good men, and took France > back from the Germans. Note: if you disagree with > this assessment, REALLY do your homework and get back > to me. We could have sat out the whole war - Charles > Lindbergh suggested that course (America First). We > could have spared ourselves a whole lot of trouble - > the hundreds of thousands dead, creating Israel and > the downstream confrontation and defense, the Cold > War, and our current war against tyranny. > > We didn't. The boys who charged the beaches 61 years > ago and died on that beach didn't dream of being a > part of a world power (the US Army was the 16th > largest military, right behind Romania at the start of > the war). They didn't dream of being a big shot in a > world government. They wanted to go home to their > farms and jobs in Iowa, Minnesota, California, etc., > and live their life in peace. They're mostly gone > now. Let's hope we have even a small part of their > courage and perseverance. > > It would be remiss of us to not remember them on this > day. > > Brad Haslett > (Proud son of a "Red Ball Express" soldier) > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 09:49:40 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue Jun 7 11:49:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <068301c56b75$efb242f0$d01f1bd0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <20050607154940.9231.qmail@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Of course I am willing to give my life to get rid of Sadam and all the rest of them. The real questions is why are you not supportive of ridding the planet of a tyrant like that. Well, I guess the Democratic Party stands for rape, murder, spraying honest hard working people with chemical weapons, etc, etc. I am glad I am not a member of that party:-) Democrats need to stop thinking about themselves. It is not what the government can do for you but what you can do for your country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! Steve --- stan wrote: > can't resist: > > "Sappy"? depends on which war and for what and how > run. I played myself in > WW2, son of Harold Spitzer, WW1. But, at the risk of > beating a dead issue, > if a war is worth starting it has to be worth > winning and that means the > home front musts be willing to forget the "guns and > butter" approach. Most > of these kids who joined the National Guard under > disingenuous implications, > have not given their lives for this one - their > lives have been taken. > Don't get mad at me until you can truthfully say > that you are willing to > give your life to get of rid Sadam. > > back to butter and sailboats. > > stan/ec > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Metzler" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > > Thanks Brad, not sappy at all. I, too remember > each year and am thankful > > for the sacrifice of so many of our men. > > Mark Metzler - son of T Sgt. Louis Metzler - B-29 > gunner > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > Date: 06/06/05 18:19:53 > > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > > Perhaps you've forgotten, 61 years ago today, a > lot of > > young American boys stormed and died taking the > > beaches of Normandy. Before that, a horrible > number > > of boys, American and British, died taking control > of > > the coast of North Africa. We fought the Vichy > French > > for three days, and they mentally masturbated for > the > > next week deciding whose side they were on. The > > French surrendered (was there some doubt) and the > > Vichy commanders eventually joined the Free > French, > > with the sacrifice of our good men, and took > France > > back from the Germans. Note: if you disagree with > > this assessment, REALLY do your homework and get > back > > to me. We could have sat out the whole war - > Charles > > Lindbergh suggested that course (America First). > We > > could have spared ourselves a whole lot of trouble > - > > the hundreds of thousands dead, creating Israel > and > > the downstream confrontation and defense, the Cold > > War, and our current war against tyranny. > > > > We didn't. The boys who charged the beaches 61 > years > > ago and died on that beach didn't dream of being a > > part of a world power (the US Army was the 16th > > largest military, right behind Romania at the > start of > > the war). They didn't dream of being a big shot in > a > > world government. They wanted to go home to their > > farms and jobs in Iowa, Minnesota, California, > etc., > > and live their life in peace. They're mostly gone > > now. Let's hope we have even a small part of their > > courage and perseverance. > > > > It would be remiss of us to not remember them on > this > > day. > > > > Brad Haslett > > (Proud son of a "Red Ball Express" soldier) > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 09:56:15 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue Jun 7 11:56:19 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Message-ID: <20050607155615.98037.qmail@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know how this can be solved. If the Democrats consenstrate on just killing American citizens by pulling out thier feeding tubes and keep the presure up so women can keep killing thier babies; then that will free up time for the Republican to handle running the world & any necessary killing as it relate to this:-) You must admit that we do all the hard work!!!! Steve PS - Work, Work, Work; that all I ever do!!!!!!!!! --- Steve wrote: > Of course I am willing to give my life to get rid of > Sadam and all the rest of them. The real questions > is > why are you not supportive of ridding the planet of > a > tyrant like that. > > Well, I guess the Democratic Party stands for rape, > murder, spraying honest hard working people with > chemical weapons, etc, etc. I am glad I am not a > member of that party:-) Democrats need to stop > thinking about themselves. It is not what the > government can do for you but what you can do for > your > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > Steve > > > > --- stan wrote: > > > can't resist: > > > > "Sappy"? depends on which war and for what and > how > > run. I played myself in > > WW2, son of Harold Spitzer, WW1. But, at the risk > of > > beating a dead issue, > > if a war is worth starting it has to be worth > > winning and that means the > > home front musts be willing to forget the "guns > and > > butter" approach. Most > > of these kids who joined the National Guard under > > disingenuous implications, > > have not given their lives for this one - their > > lives have been taken. > > Don't get mad at me until you can truthfully say > > that you are willing to > > give your life to get of rid Sadam. > > > > back to butter and sailboats. > > > > stan/ec > > . > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Metzler" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > D-Day > > > > > > > Thanks Brad, not sappy at all. I, too remember > > each year and am thankful > > > for the sacrifice of so many of our men. > > > Mark Metzler - son of T Sgt. Louis Metzler - > B-29 > > gunner > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > From: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > Date: 06/06/05 18:19:53 > > > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > > > > Perhaps you've forgotten, 61 years ago today, a > > lot of > > > young American boys stormed and died taking the > > > beaches of Normandy. Before that, a horrible > > number > > > of boys, American and British, died taking > control > > of > > > the coast of North Africa. We fought the Vichy > > French > > > for three days, and they mentally masturbated > for > > the > > > next week deciding whose side they were on. The > > > French surrendered (was there some doubt) and > the > > > Vichy commanders eventually joined the Free > > French, > > > with the sacrifice of our good men, and took > > France > > > back from the Germans. Note: if you disagree > with > > > this assessment, REALLY do your homework and get > > back > > > to me. We could have sat out the whole war - > > Charles > > > Lindbergh suggested that course (America First). > > We > > > could have spared ourselves a whole lot of > trouble > > - > > > the hundreds of thousands dead, creating Israel > > and > > > the downstream confrontation and defense, the > Cold > > > War, and our current war against tyranny. > > > > > > We didn't. The boys who charged the beaches 61 > > years > > > ago and died on that beach didn't dream of being > a > > > part of a world power (the US Army was the 16th > > > largest military, right behind Romania at the > > start of > > > the war). They didn't dream of being a big shot > in > > a > > > world government. They wanted to go home to > their > > > farms and jobs in Iowa, Minnesota, California, > > etc., > > > and live their life in peace. They're mostly > gone > > > now. Let's hope we have even a small part of > their > > > courage and perseverance. > > > > > > It would be remiss of us to not remember them on > > this > > > day. > > > > > > Brad Haslett > > > (Proud son of a "Red Ball Express" soldier) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > > viruses. > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From salm at mn.rr.com Tue Jun 7 14:37:29 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Tue Jun 7 14:37:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <20050607154940.9231.qmail@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is not what the > government can do for you but what you can do for your > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > Steve Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous quote by a famous Democrat named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like this: "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 13:48:17 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue Jun 7 15:48:22 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050607194817.78044.qmail@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) Steve PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone but there are a few Dems I like:-) --- Slim wrote: > It is not what the > > government can do for you but what you can do for > your > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > Steve > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous quote > by a famous Democrat > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like this: > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for > you, but what you can do > for your country." > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 13:55:24 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue Jun 7 15:55:28 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Message-ID: <20050607195524.51988.qmail@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Slim Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to war over nukes in Cuba:-) Taking this country to war over something like weapon of mass distruction!!! I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) Steve --- Steve wrote: > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) > Steve > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone > but > there are a few Dems I like:-) > > --- Slim wrote: > > > It is not what the > > > government can do for you but what you can do > for > > your > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > Steve > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > quote > > by a famous Democrat > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > this: > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for > > you, but what you can do > > for your country." > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From mkaynor at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 17:08:04 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Tue Jun 7 16:08:09 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <20050607195524.51988.qmail@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42a5fea6.3bb6aaa8.332c.ffffb2a7@mx.gmail.com> Hey Steve, Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe?:-) Being unfaithful to his wife in the White House!!! I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) Mark -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Hey Slim Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to war over nukes in Cuba:-) Taking this country to war over something like weapon of mass distruction!!! I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) Steve --- Steve wrote: > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) Steve > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone but there are a few > Dems I like:-) > > --- Slim wrote: > > > It is not what the > > > government can do for you but what you can do > for > > your > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > Steve > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > quote > > by a famous Democrat > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > this: > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for you, but what you > > can do for your country." > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! 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Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 14:35:30 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue Jun 7 16:35:33 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <42a5fea6.3bb6aaa8.332c.ffffb2a7@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050607203530.4814.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah, those were the days:-) Steve --- Mark Kaynor wrote: > Hey Steve, > Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair with > Marilyn Monroe?:-) > Being unfaithful to his wife in the White House!!! > I have never heard of > such an abuse of power:-) Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > Hey Slim > Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to > war over nukes in Cuba:-) > Taking this country to war over something like > weapon of mass distruction!!! > I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) > Steve > > > > --- Steve wrote: > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) > Steve > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone > but there are a few > > Dems I like:-) > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > It is not what the > > > > government can do for you but what you can do > > for > > > your > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > Steve > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > > quote > > > by a famous Democrat > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > > this: > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do > for you, but what you > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and > more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dedallas at telus.net Tue Jun 7 15:51:59 2005 From: dedallas at telus.net (David Dallas) Date: Tue Jun 7 16:49:52 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Message-ID: <000001c56ba2$bff07cd0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan?s help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but this is my first experience with a ?bigger? boat. I live in Calgary, Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or two as I gain experience. Two questions right of the top are: 1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan?s instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn?t notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. 2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere (can?t remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your recommendations? Thank-you for your time. David Dallas From R22RumRunner at aol.com Tue Jun 7 18:05:57 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 7 17:06:03 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Message-ID: <77.4708376b.2fd76635@aol.com> David, Welcome to the list. I can't help you with either of your questions, but happy sailing. Rummy From R22RumRunner at aol.com Tue Jun 7 18:08:45 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 7 17:08:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kenyon stove recall. Message-ID: <46.6af32cf6.2fd766dd@aol.com> I found this through a Google search. _http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01198.html_ (http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01198.html) From salm at mn.rr.com Tue Jun 7 17:29:21 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Tue Jun 7 17:29:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <000001c56ba2$bff07cd0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Message-ID: Hello David and welcome. Congrats on your Rhodes. I've been to the Calgary Stampede and also skied at Lake Louise. Beautiful area! I can't help you with your CDI, but we used to have a Kenyon stove but we changed to Coleman camp stove: http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?productId=9320681&storeId=80 00&catalogId=40000008000&langId=-1&color=&img=/media/671671Lrg.jpg&view=larg e&vcat=REI_SSHP_CAMPING_TOC This link might not work so go to www.rei.com and search stoves and look for the Coleman Exponent Xpedition (item 671671). It's a portable two-burner that folds up nearly flat and stores easily. It uses propane fuel bottles. We like it because we can use it out on the cockpit table or in the galley or anywhere else. We've taken it camping and have even used it at home (don't ask). It's a great little stove for almost any purpose. I think it beats the one-burner butane Kenyon hands down. Slim On 6/7/05 3:51 PM, "David Dallas" wrote: > Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site > for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan?s > help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a > demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of > it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, > marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great > shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and > figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but > this is my first experience with a ?bigger? boat. I live in Calgary, > Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I > will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) > and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on > vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had > our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and > questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I > love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going > through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great > help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and > adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list > who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. > I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or > two as I gain experience. > > > > Two questions right of the top are: > > > > 1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out > more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the > furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan?s > instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn?t > notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious > to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or > suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. > > > > 2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere > (can?t remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know > about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your > recommendations? > > > > Thank-you for your time. > > > > David Dallas > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Tue Jun 7 18:55:58 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 7 17:56:03 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Message-ID: <1ee.3d43f282.2fd771ee@aol.com> Slim, Kenyon will fix the valve for free. From ekroposki at charter.net Tue Jun 7 19:16:13 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Tue Jun 7 18:16:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <000001c56ba2$bff07cd0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Message-ID: <000201c56bae$8794e1d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> David: It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, --- what is a UPP that are you that you have, the porta potti? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 7 19:23:05 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Tue Jun 7 18:29:17 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <000501c56b05$7cfd9810$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Message-ID: Bob and Sandra, Thanks for replying... I only joined this group in Aug.'04. I have kept a lot of the email responses, and whenever they look extremely useful I even label them by a helpful search word. I am not an email or computer guru by any stretch... I use Outlook Express on, yes, a mac, most of the time. Occasionally I will jump to my teens' p.c. when necessary... I use google often. Still, I don't have the foggiest idea how I would go about downloading the archives....that is my really basic question... Will you take this down a few steps lower to my oh so basic level, and try to explain that? I use the www.rhodes22.org site often. Last fall I was scolded a bit for asking questions that I should have looked up in the archives or the rhodes22.org site, so I have become a bit email-shy about asking questions... Ed was nice enough to help try to get me the answer. Thanks all. Phyllis Whisper (We had a nice, hot sail Sunday...Raritan Bay) > From: "Robert and Sandra Fuller" > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:06:15 -0400 > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site > > You have got to love this site. Where else could a guy who knows little about > sailing and less about computers find himself referred to as "a guru in > Florida"? > Nonetheless, a way to search the archives is to first download whatever > portion of the archives interests you onto your computer. Then install > Google's "Desktop Search" and use it to search out the keywords of your topic. > Bob F. > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From mkaynor at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 19:33:52 2005 From: mkaynor at gmail.com (Mark Kaynor) Date: Tue Jun 7 18:34:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <000001c56ba2$bff07cd0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Message-ID: <42a620d2.35fb1a0b.0bc7.5a7c@mx.gmail.com> David, If I recall correctly, CDI recommends cleaning the furler by flushing it with fresh water. We had the same furler on Raven - I posted the owners manual on the Rhodes22.org web site - look here: http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/ Mark Kaynor -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David Dallas Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:52 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan?s help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but this is my first experience with a ?bigger? boat. I live in Calgary, Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or two as I gain experience. Two questions right of the top are: 1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan?s instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn?t notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. 2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere (can?t remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your recommendations? Thank-you for your time. David Dallas __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From anima13 at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 7 20:13:19 2005 From: anima13 at bellsouth.net (anima13) Date: Tue Jun 7 20:11:32 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <000001c56ba2$bff07cd0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Message-ID: Welcome, David, I have solved several problems with roller furling and mostly it will involve the coiled line in the furler. These are easy to dismantle and put together. I am not absolutely familiar with the CDI, but be sure to investigate for a small plastic piece that may assist the rolling. this may be broken. You can replace the Kenyon stove with a glo-mate. I am quite sure these will fit, for that is what I had in my Rhodes. Have you figured how to reef the main? The Rhodes is such a cool working and cool looking boat! happy winds, Anne KY Lake -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of David Dallas Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:52 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan?s help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but this is my first experience with a ?bigger? boat. I live in Calgary, Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or two as I gain experience. Two questions right of the top are: 1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan?s instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn?t notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. 2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere (can?t remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your recommendations? Thank-you for your time. David Dallas __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com Tue Jun 7 21:40:27 2005 From: BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com (Robert and Sandra Fuller) Date: Tue Jun 7 20:40:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site Message-ID: <000501c56bc2$ab00c8f0$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Yup, it can be a testy group. Ed also suggested this method to me originally. It takes longer to describe than to do. I suggest you first go to the Google site and install the specific program "Desktop Search". Return to Rhodes 22-List Archives. You will see the archives are subdivided into months, e.g., "May 2005". The far right-hand column is labeled "downloadable version". Left mouse click on that downloadable version for May 2005. This brings up a submenu from which (with a right mouse click) you select "save target". At least on Windows XP, this stores that month's archive under "My Documents". Don't know about a Mac. You can then search for a key word or phrase using desktop search. You don't have to open the document; Desktop finds the phrase so long as it is on your computer. As a bonus, the infamous "failure to change the subject line" does not limit your results. I have done this for about 1/2 the archives with good results and am presently transferring them to a cd. You can probably store directly on a cd but this goes beyond my capability. Note as well at the top of archives is an option, "Download full raw archive". I could never get this to work properly as the earlier months kept getting hung up midway thru the download. Don't know if it was a site glitch or my technique. It would be easier and certainly worth a shot. Let me know if you have difficulty. Made the mistake of taking a little Hobie Cat out in higher winds today. Got the mainsail hung up and had to capsize to derig. IMF is easier. Bob F. From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 7 21:59:58 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:00:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions References: <42a620d2.35fb1a0b.0bc7.5a7c@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007901c56bc5$64af5a30$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> David: Another thing to check is to be sure that the furling line is wound in sufficient length to permit the sail to unfurl fully. This can be an issue with just about any furling system. If the sail is furled in heavy wind and gets wrapped tightly, if there is not sufficient line around the drum, the sail will not fully furl. Likewise if the line is not sufficient, you may have the problem you describe. I would try to unfurl the sail during a windless period (early morning or late evening seems to work in most areas) to see if the line is sufficiently (or in-sufficiently) wrapped on the drum. Mark's suggestion may be the alternative if the problem is mechanical. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kaynor" To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions David, If I recall correctly, CDI recommends cleaning the furler by flushing it with fresh water. We had the same furler on Raven - I posted the owners manual on the Rhodes22.org web site - look here: http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/ Mark Kaynor -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David Dallas Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:52 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan's help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but this is my first experience with a 'bigger' boat. I live in Calgary, Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or two as I gain experience. Two questions right of the top are: 1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan's instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn't notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. 2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere (can't remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your recommendations? Thank-you for your time. David Dallas __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com Tue Jun 7 22:09:28 2005 From: BobandSandy at tampabay.rr.com (Robert and Sandra Fuller) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:09:36 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site Message-ID: <000501c56bc6$b8818600$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Phyllis, I just followed my directions with poor results. Simply right clicking on the last column "downloadable version" stores a more readable version (rather than left clicking and selecting save target). I have no idea why. Bob F. From beals at rci.rutgers.edu Tue Jun 7 22:16:03 2005 From: beals at rci.rutgers.edu (P&M Beals) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:22:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <000501c56bc6$b8818600$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Message-ID: Thank you very much for the detailed explanation. I will try it on the mac and the p.c. until I get stuck, at which I time I will go sailing! Phyllis > From: "Robert and Sandra Fuller" > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:09:28 -0400 > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site > > Phyllis, I just followed my directions with poor results. Simply right > clicking on the last column "downloadable version" stores a more readable > version (rather than left clicking and selecting save target). I have no idea > why. > Bob F. > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From ekroposki at charter.net Tue Jun 7 22:22:10 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:22:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Attention to gathering about Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <000501c56bc6$b8818600$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Message-ID: <000001c56bc8$82039030$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> I have been monitoring this discussion. I believe that it was Bill Effros who gave the original directions. We have a couple of resident computer wizes on this: specifically, Mark, Michael, Will and Bill Effros. Also a few others... But this a week night and none of the above might respond. Keep up the discussion. Ed K -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Robert and Sandra Fuller Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:09 PM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site Phyllis, I just followed my directions with poor results. Simply right clicking on the last column "downloadable version" stores a more readable version (rather than left clicking and selecting save target). I have no idea why. Bob F. __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Tue Jun 7 22:22:38 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:30:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Attention to gathering about Researching the archives of this site In-Reply-To: <000001c56bc8$82039030$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> References: <000001c56bc8$82039030$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <42A6485E.4070502@michaelmeltzer.com> Ed, Thier are 3 things I should doing right now. 1)working 2)taking a dump 3)Sending out the resume 4)food. Thats is my plans until midnight, Please note sex and sleep are already off the list, now you want to add more ??????????????????????????????????? ed kroposki wrote: >I have been monitoring this discussion. I believe that it was Bill Effros >who gave the original directions. We have a couple of resident computer >wizes on this: specifically, Mark, Michael, Will and Bill Effros. Also a >few others... > >But this a week night and none of the above might respond. Keep up the >discussion. > >Ed K > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Robert and Sandra >Fuller >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:09 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site > >Phyllis, I just followed my directions with poor results. Simply right >clicking on the last column "downloadable version" stores a more readable >version (rather than left clicking and selecting save target). I have no >idea why. >Bob F. >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > From hnw555 at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 22:41:05 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Tue Jun 7 21:41:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <007901c56bc5$64af5a30$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> References: <42a620d2.35fb1a0b.0bc7.5a7c@mx.gmail.com> <007901c56bc5$64af5a30$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: Bob, I think you are backwards. As the sail unfurls, the line will furl on the roller. As long as he has not ran out of the control line, this is not an issue for unfurling. Now, if you could not furl the sail all the way in, I would say that not enough line was wound on the drum. Hank On 6/7/05, Robert Quinn wrote: > David: Another thing to check is to be sure that the furling line is wound > in sufficient length to permit the sail to unfurl fully. This can be an > issue with just about any furling system. If the sail is furled in heavy > wind and gets wrapped tightly, if there is not sufficient line around the > drum, the sail will not fully furl. Likewise if the line is not sufficient, > you may have the problem you describe. I would try to unfurl the sail > during a windless period (early morning or late evening seems to work in > most areas) to see if the line is sufficiently (or in-sufficiently) wrapped > on the drum. > > Mark's suggestion may be the alternative if the problem is mechanical. > > Bob on the "NoKaOi" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kaynor" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:33 PM > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions > > > David, > > If I recall correctly, CDI recommends cleaning the furler by flushing it > with fresh water. We had the same furler on Raven - I posted the owners > manual on the Rhodes22.org web site - look here: > http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/ > > Mark Kaynor > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David Dallas > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:52 PM > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions > > Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site for > some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan's help last > summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a demo boat. > The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of it. It has > most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, marine head with > pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great shape, I am just dealing > with three years of neglect issues, and figuring out how everything works. > I have done some dinghy sailing, but this is my first experience with a > 'bigger' boat. I live in Calgary, Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost > Lake, a reservoir near here. I will also be trailering to British Columbia > (where I am originally from) and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and > Shushwap Lakes on vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last > weekend and had our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many > compliments and questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked > western Canada. I love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for > me. Going through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a > great > help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and > adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list who > have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. > I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or two as > I gain experience. > > > > Two questions right of the top are: > > > > 1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out > more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the > furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan's instructions > and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn't notice anything > obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious to someone with a > little experience. If anyone would care to comment or suggest something, it > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > 2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere > (can't remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know about > this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your recommendations? > > > > Thank-you for your time. > > > > David Dallas > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From sprocket80 at mail.com Tue Jun 7 22:36:10 2005 From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Tue Jun 7 22:36:15 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comments in general(possibly politics?) Message-ID: <20050608023610.483CE4BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) Steve, We have noticed. Actually everything you spout is just someone elses rehashed rhetoric. When pressed for supporting facts you always seem to be at a loss for words, (the only time this is so)or you start throwing profanity. Wouldn't it just be easier to quote the original source than start an argument? Admit it...you are just a follower and have no original thoughts of your own...just like dubya. Todd PS Here are a few for you: * "What luck it is for rulers that men do not think" (like when voting) * "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic.".... "The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."(sounds like a Republican mindset huh?) * "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." To credit the original speakers, they are Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Hitler and Hitler again, but all sound like "red state speak". DOH! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:48:17 -0700 (PDT) > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) > Steve > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone but > there are a few Dems I like:-) > > --- Slim wrote: > > > It is not what the > > > government can do for you but what you can do for > > your > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > Steve > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous quote > > by a famous Democrat > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like this: > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for > > you, but what you can do > > for your country." > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Wed Jun 8 08:57:32 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Wed Jun 8 07:57:37 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <000001c56ba2$bff07cd0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Message-ID: Ahoy Davd. Regarding furler problem. You mention you have UPP; was this a typo for UPS? If so I am guessing you have a second halyard for UPS (sail). Look up when you try to furl and see if the UPS halyard is wrapping around head sail. Just a thought ..... Wally >From: "David Dallas" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:51:59 -0600 > >Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site >for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan’s >help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a >demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of >it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, >marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great >shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and >figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but >this is my first experience with a ‘bigger’ boat. I live in Calgary, >Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I >will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) >and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on >vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had >our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and >questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I >love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going >through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great >help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and >adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list >who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. >I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or >two as I gain experience. > > > >Two questions right of the top are: > > > >1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out >more than approx 2/3 to ¾ of the Genoa. There was resistance and the >furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan’s >instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn’t >notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious >to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or >suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. > > > >2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere >(can’t remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know >about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your >recommendations? > > > >Thank-you for your time. > > > >David Dallas > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Wed Jun 8 09:01:45 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Wed Jun 8 08:01:51 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <42a5fea6.3bb6aaa8.332c.ffffb2a7@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mark, Steve is forgetting that there were actually nukes in Cuba and we had the pictures to prove it. To compare this to the situation Iraq is simply not logical. Ignoring facts is a problem for some! Wally >From: "Mark Kaynor" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:04 -0400 > >Hey Steve, >Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe?:-) >Being unfaithful to his wife in the White House!!! I have never heard of >such an abuse of power:-) Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > >Hey Slim >Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to war over nukes in >Cuba:-) >Taking this country to war over something like weapon of mass >distruction!!! >I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) Steve > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) Steve > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone but there are a few > > Dems I like:-) > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > It is not what the > > > > government can do for you but what you can do > > for > > > your > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > Steve > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > > quote > > > by a famous Democrat > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > > this: > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for you, but what you > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 8 10:05:56 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Wed Jun 8 09:06:10 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions References: Message-ID: <001201c56c2a$cf064cd0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Wally / David: Proof that the more brains on a topic the better we do. I had that exact problem on my boat last spring. The extra halyard wrapped itself on the furling swivel and kept it from unfurling. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions > Ahoy Davd. > > Regarding furler problem. You mention you have UPP; was this a typo for > UPS? If so I am guessing you have a second halyard for UPS (sail). Look up > when you try to furl and see if the UPS halyard is wrapping around head > sail. Just a thought ..... > > Wally > >>From: "David Dallas" >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>To: >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions >>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:51:59 -0600 >> >>Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site >>for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan's >>help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a >>demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of >>it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, >>marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great >>shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and >>figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but >>this is my first experience with a 'bigger' boat. I live in Calgary, >>Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I >>will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) >>and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on >>vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had >>our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and >>questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I >>love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going >>through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great >>help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and >>adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list >>who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. >>I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or >>two as I gain experience. >> >> >> >>Two questions right of the top are: >> >> >> >>1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out >>more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the >>furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan's >>instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn't >>notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious >>to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or >>suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >>2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere >>(can't remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know >>about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your >>recommendations? >> >> >> >>Thank-you for your time. >> >> >> >>David Dallas >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 07:32:38 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed Jun 8 09:32:40 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comments in general(possibly politics?) In-Reply-To: <20050608023610.483CE4BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20050608133238.99527.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Poor, Poor Todd, Just hang in there, you can probably learn the facts if you try:-) Steve --- Todd Tavares wrote: > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) > > Steve, > > We have noticed. Actually everything you spout > is just someone elses rehashed rhetoric. When > pressed for supporting facts you always seem to be > at a loss for words, (the only time this is so)or > you start throwing profanity. Wouldn't it just be > easier to quote the original source than start an > argument? Admit it...you are just a follower and > have no original thoughts of your own...just like > dubya. > > Todd > > PS Here are a few for you: > > * "What luck it is for rulers that men do not > think" (like when voting) > > * "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is > a statistic.".... "The victor will never be asked if > he told the truth."(sounds like a Republican mindset > huh?) > > * "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance > with the will of the Almighty Creator." > > > To credit the original speakers, they are Adolf > Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Hitler and Hitler again, but > all sound like "red state speak". DOH! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:48:17 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) > > Steve > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone > but > > there are a few Dems I like:-) > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > It is not what the > > > > government can do for you but what you can do > for > > > your > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > Steve > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > quote > > > by a famous Democrat > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > this: > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do > for > > > you, but what you can do > > > for your country." > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 8 12:22:25 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 11:21:00 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious Message-ID: <000a01c56c3d$dfed8fa0$660fa8c0@dell330> Hello Rhodies, Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day Memorial Day cruise at Kerr Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer outside, getting ready for our Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. (6/29-7/7) This morning, after a pretty hard rain last night, the cockpit speakers started making a strange noise. First the port speaker made a popping noise. I first noticed the noise after the sunlight started to warm Raven's topsides. I boarded and verified that all circuits were switched off and disconnected the speaker wire lead at the speaker to still the popping noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, a bit little louder. So, I boarded and again, verified all circuit were switched off again and disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the speaker. Does anybody have a guess as to what could be happening? PT From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 8 12:18:21 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 8 11:21:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c56c3d$509e6590$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Wally, WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, such as gas, bio, et al. The issue was preventing them getting nuc's, not that they already had them. The same issue now next door in Iran. Furthermore, nuclear is not limited to bomb explosives but also bomb results, ie, dirty explosives that contaminate. There was a complaint issued by the U.N. inspectors recently about missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone missing since the start of the war. If there was not problem, why are the U.N. inspectors complaining about missing nuclear stuff now? I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, but your last comment was not accurate. Humpf. Ed K -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Mark, Steve is forgetting that there were actually nukes in Cuba and we had the pictures to prove it. To compare this to the situation Iraq is simply not logical. Ignoring facts is a problem for some! Wally >From: "Mark Kaynor" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:04 -0400 > >Hey Steve, >Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe?:-) >Being unfaithful to his wife in the White House!!! I have never heard of >such an abuse of power:-) Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > >Hey Slim >Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to war over nukes in >Cuba:-) >Taking this country to war over something like weapon of mass >distruction!!! >I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) Steve > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) Steve > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone but there are a few > > Dems I like:-) > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > It is not what the > > > > government can do for you but what you can do > > for > > > your > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > Steve > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > > quote > > > by a famous Democrat > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > > this: > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for you, but what you > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Discover Yahoo! > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 8 12:35:19 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 8 11:35:41 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious In-Reply-To: <000a01c56c3d$dfed8fa0$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <000001c56c3f$b0d118c0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Peter: 1. Bugs? 2. Harmonics 3. Wireless transmitting device in proximity 4. High power AM transmitting station nearby? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA Web Cam: www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/webcam.html -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Thorn Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:22 AM To: Rhodes 22 List Members Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious Hello Rhodies, Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day Memorial Day cruise at Kerr Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer outside, getting ready for our Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. (6/29-7/7) This morning, after a pretty hard rain last night, the cockpit speakers started making a strange noise. First the port speaker made a popping noise. I first noticed the noise after the sunlight started to warm Raven's topsides. I boarded and verified that all circuits were switched off and disconnected the speaker wire lead at the speaker to still the popping noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, a bit little louder. So, I boarded and again, verified all circuit were switched off again and disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the speaker. Does anybody have a guess as to what could be happening? PT __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 09:39:44 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed Jun 8 11:39:46 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD In-Reply-To: <000001c56c3d$509e6590$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <20050608153944.28119.qmail@web31801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not a problem, Ed. I gave up on Wally when no one could get him to even understand the necessity of having chain on his anchor:-) Your point below is well said. I have always found it funny how the lib media will publish these facts but turn around in the next sentence and say there were no WMDs:-) That just cracks me up!!! And the media wonder why no one watches them anymore:-) Steve --- ed kroposki wrote: > Wally, > WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, such > as gas, bio, et > al. The issue was preventing them getting nuc's, > not that they already had > them. The same issue now next door in Iran. > Furthermore, nuclear is not > limited to bomb explosives but also bomb results, > ie, dirty explosives that > contaminate. > There was a complaint issued by the U.N. inspectors > recently about > missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone missing > since the start of the > war. If there was not problem, why are the U.N. > inspectors complaining > about missing nuclear stuff now? > I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, but > your last comment > was not accurate. Humpf. > > Ed K > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Wally Buck > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > Mark, > > Steve is forgetting that there were actually nukes > in Cuba and we had the > pictures to prove it. To compare this to the > situation Iraq is simply not > logical. Ignoring facts is a problem for some! > > Wally > > >From: "Mark Kaynor" > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:04 -0400 > > > >Hey Steve, > >Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair with > Marilyn Monroe?:-) > >Being unfaithful to his wife in the White House!!! > I have never heard of > >such an abuse of power:-) Mark > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve > >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > >Hey Slim > >Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to > war over nukes in > >Cuba:-) > >Taking this country to war over something like > weapon of mass > >distruction!!! > >I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) > Steve > > > > > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) > Steve > > > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell > anyone but there are a few > > > Dems I like:-) > > > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > > > It is not what the > > > > > government can do for you but what you can > do > > > for > > > > your > > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > > > quote > > > > by a famous Democrat > > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > > > this: > > > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do > for you, but what you > > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Discover Yahoo! > > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online > and more. Check it out! > > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Discover Yahoo! > >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and > more. 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Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From robert at squirrelhaven.com Wed Jun 8 13:05:01 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Wed Jun 8 12:05:10 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day References: <20050607154940.9231.qmail@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A7172D.AEC56EE@squirrelhaven.com> Steve wrote: > Of course I am willing to give my life to get rid of > Sadam and all the rest of them... OK. We are waiting. /Bob From flybrad at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 10:07:58 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Wed Jun 8 12:08:01 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious In-Reply-To: <000001c56c3f$b0d118c0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter, You may want to disconnect your battery and see if the noise is still there. That is the last ditch effort on every electrical fire and smoke checklist for every airplane I've ever flown and one of the first troubleshooting issues as a mechanic. Current has a strange habit of finding its own path sometimes. If its still there with the battery disconnected, see list below. Brad --- ed kroposki wrote: > Peter: > 1. Bugs? > 2. Harmonics > 3. Wireless transmitting device in proximity > 4. High power AM transmitting station nearby? > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > Web Cam: > www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/webcam.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Peter Thorn > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:22 AM > To: Rhodes 22 List Members > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > > Hello Rhodies, > > Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day > Memorial Day cruise at Kerr > Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer outside, > getting ready for our > Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. > (6/29-7/7) > > This morning, after a pretty hard rain last night, > the cockpit speakers > started making a strange noise. First the port > speaker made a popping > noise. I first noticed the noise after the sunlight > started to warm Raven's > topsides. I boarded and verified that all circuits > were switched off and > disconnected the speaker wire lead at the speaker to > still the popping > noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, a > bit little louder. So, I > boarded and again, verified all circuit were > switched off again and > disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the > speaker. > > Does anybody have a guess as to what could be > happening? > > PT > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 8 13:29:16 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 8 12:29:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bob F; Phyllis; et al In-Reply-To: <000501c56bc2$ab00c8f0$ea180843@yourkf1y8xksrv> Message-ID: <000001c56c47$39fa25e0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Both of you guys: After researching a particular topic, if you summarize it into a concise document, you can submit it to Tom Evans at the FAQ site. He still exists, but is very busy and does not monitor this list. LogicUnltd@aol.com Do not expect immediate response. Ed K Greenville SC USA From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 8 13:52:07 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 12:50:39 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious References: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c56c4a$67bf57e0$660fa8c0@dell330> Brad, Thanks for the input. Before disconnecting the battery, I first reconnected the speakers. Now no noise and the CD player doesn't work either. This will take more time than I have for lunch right now. Any and all suggestions are welcome. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad haslett" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > Peter, > > You may want to disconnect your battery and see if the > noise is still there. That is the last ditch effort > on every electrical fire and smoke checklist for every > airplane I've ever flown and one of the first > troubleshooting issues as a mechanic. Current has a > strange habit of finding its own path sometimes. If > its still there with the battery disconnected, see > list below. > > Brad > > --- ed kroposki wrote: > > > Peter: > > 1. Bugs? > > 2. Harmonics > > 3. Wireless transmitting device in proximity > > 4. High power AM transmitting station nearby? > > > > Ed K > > Greenville, SC, USA > > Web Cam: > > www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/webcam.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of Peter Thorn > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:22 AM > > To: Rhodes 22 List Members > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > > > > Hello Rhodies, > > > > Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day > > Memorial Day cruise at Kerr > > Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer outside, > > getting ready for our > > Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. > > (6/29-7/7) > > > > This morning, after a pretty hard rain last night, > > the cockpit speakers > > started making a strange noise. First the port > > speaker made a popping > > noise. I first noticed the noise after the sunlight > > started to warm Raven's > > topsides. I boarded and verified that all circuits > > were switched off and > > disconnected the speaker wire lead at the speaker to > > still the popping > > noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, a > > bit little louder. So, I > > boarded and again, verified all circuit were > > switched off again and > > disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the > > speaker. > > > > Does anybody have a guess as to what could be > > happening? > > > > PT > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 8 14:12:23 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 13:10:57 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kerr Lake Sunset Message-ID: <000901c56c4d$3cf332e0$660fa8c0@dell330> Rhodies~ Thought you might like this Kerr Lake sunset from Memorial Day, Sat night. PT You have been sent 1 picture. P5290025.jpg Total is 38K (8 seconds at 56k) These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://www.picasa.com/ -------------- next part -------------- Name: P5290025.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 53236 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P5290025.jpg From ellner at pressenter.com Wed Jun 8 13:14:40 2005 From: ellner at pressenter.com (Ellner) Date: Wed Jun 8 13:14:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kerr Lake Sunset In-Reply-To: <000901c56c4d$3cf332e0$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20050608121356.02f9ee48@pop.pressenter.com> Peter: WOW!!!! Thanks for sharing! Mary s/v Toy Blew (finally in the water in Wisconsin) At 01:12 PM 6/8/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Rhodies~ > >Thought you might like this Kerr Lake sunset from Memorial Day, Sat night. > >PT > >You have been sent 1 picture. > >P5290025.jpg > >Total is 38K (8 seconds at 56k) >These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. >Try it out here: http://www.picasa.com/Name: P5290025.jpg Type: image/jpeg >Size: 53236 bytes Desc: not available >Url: >http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P5290025.jpg >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From stan at rhodes22.com Wed Jun 8 14:56:21 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Wed Jun 8 13:56:38 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kerr Lake Sunset References: <000901c56c4d$3cf332e0$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <00f801c56c53$64a46d30$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt> the picture is stunning did you take it ? can't you forge a Rhodes off in the stb. corner? stan/gbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thorn" To: "Rhodes 22 List Members" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kerr Lake Sunset Rhodies~ Thought you might like this Kerr Lake sunset from Memorial Day, Sat night. PT You have been sent 1 picture. P5290025.jpg Total is 38K (8 seconds at 56k) These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://www.picasa.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Name: P5290025.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 53236 bytes Desc: not available > Url: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P5290025.jpg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From stan at rhodes22.com Wed Jun 8 14:58:30 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Wed Jun 8 13:58:45 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious References: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010801c56c53$b18cfea0$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt> you might check to see if somehow one of the solar panels is not hooked to the radio. stan ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad haslett" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > Peter, > > You may want to disconnect your battery and see if the > noise is still there. That is the last ditch effort > on every electrical fire and smoke checklist for every > airplane I've ever flown and one of the first > troubleshooting issues as a mechanic. Current has a > strange habit of finding its own path sometimes. If > its still there with the battery disconnected, see > list below. > > Brad > > --- ed kroposki wrote: > >> Peter: >> 1. Bugs? >> 2. Harmonics >> 3. Wireless transmitting device in proximity >> 4. High power AM transmitting station nearby? >> >> Ed K >> Greenville, SC, USA >> Web Cam: >> www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/webcam.html >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of Peter Thorn >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:22 AM >> To: Rhodes 22 List Members >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious >> >> Hello Rhodies, >> >> Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day >> Memorial Day cruise at Kerr >> Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer outside, >> getting ready for our >> Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. >> (6/29-7/7) >> >> This morning, after a pretty hard rain last night, >> the cockpit speakers >> started making a strange noise. First the port >> speaker made a popping >> noise. I first noticed the noise after the sunlight >> started to warm Raven's >> topsides. I boarded and verified that all circuits >> were switched off and >> disconnected the speaker wire lead at the speaker to >> still the popping >> noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, a >> bit little louder. So, I >> boarded and again, verified all circuit were >> switched off again and >> disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the >> speaker. >> >> Does anybody have a guess as to what could be >> happening? >> >> PT >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >> www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >> www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From flybrad at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 12:00:54 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Wed Jun 8 14:00:56 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious In-Reply-To: <003301c56c4a$67bf57e0$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <20050608180054.67623.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter, Phantom power feeds can be some of the most troublesome buggers to track down. That is why A&P mechanics disconnect all power sources to start with just to make sure they're not chasing a non-existent problem. The DC-10 solution for every electrical problem is "switch, breaker, book, book, book", meaning, first you turn it off, then on, then cycle the circuit breaker, then look it up in the minimum equipment list to see if you even need the damn thing, then the ops manual on how to fly without it, then write it up in the maintenance log. I've found the same operational philosophy to work quite well on sailboats. Good luck! Brad --- Peter Thorn wrote: > Brad, > > Thanks for the input. Before disconnecting the > battery, I first reconnected > the speakers. Now no noise and the CD player > doesn't work either. > > This will take more time than I have for lunch right > now. Any and all > suggestions are welcome. > > PT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brad haslett" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:07 PM > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > > > > Peter, > > > > You may want to disconnect your battery and see if > the > > noise is still there. That is the last ditch > effort > > on every electrical fire and smoke checklist for > every > > airplane I've ever flown and one of the first > > troubleshooting issues as a mechanic. Current has > a > > strange habit of finding its own path sometimes. > If > > its still there with the battery disconnected, see > > list below. > > > > Brad > > > > --- ed kroposki wrote: > > > > > Peter: > > > 1. Bugs? > > > 2. Harmonics > > > 3. Wireless transmitting device in proximity > > > 4. High power AM transmitting station nearby? > > > > > > Ed K > > > Greenville, SC, USA > > > Web Cam: > > > www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/webcam.html > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf Of Peter Thorn > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:22 AM > > > To: Rhodes 22 List Members > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > > > > > > Hello Rhodies, > > > > > > Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day > > > Memorial Day cruise at Kerr > > > Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer > outside, > > > getting ready for our > > > Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. > > > (6/29-7/7) > > > > > > This morning, after a pretty hard rain last > night, > > > the cockpit speakers > > > started making a strange noise. First the port > > > speaker made a popping > > > noise. I first noticed the noise after the > sunlight > > > started to warm Raven's > > > topsides. I boarded and verified that all > circuits > > > were switched off and > > > disconnected the speaker wire lead at the > speaker to > > > still the popping > > > noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, > a > > > bit little louder. So, I > > > boarded and again, verified all circuit were > > > switched off again and > > > disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the > > > speaker. > > > > > > Does anybody have a guess as to what could be > > > happening? > > > > > > PT > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From R22RumRunner at aol.com Wed Jun 8 15:51:22 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 8 14:51:29 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD Message-ID: <141.46f7794d.2fd8982a@aol.com> Ed, Imagine that, stuff missing since the beginning of the war. It seems to me that in a war plan, one would takes steps to secure stuff like this. Sounds like another case of W totally botching the job. Rummy From sanderico at earthlink.net Wed Jun 8 14:54:50 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Wed Jun 8 14:54:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <42A7172D.AEC56EE@squirrelhaven.com> References: <20050607154940.9231.qmail@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42A7172D.AEC56EE@squirrelhaven.com> Message-ID: <42A73EFA.9090201@earthlink.net> Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. But, I'm with Steve here. If my country called me tomorrow and asked that I help rid the world of Saddam Hussein or this Muslim radical scourge. I'd be there in a heartbeat. I feel that these people are that big a threat to the rest of us. We tried to talk for better than ten years (since Desert Storm) and only wasted our breath. It was time we got down to their level and got on with it. I'm 52 though, so I don't think they're too interested in my help. As far as "willingly" giving my life for my country, or anything else for that matter. Nope, I wouldn't "willingly" die for any cause. There's going to be a pretty good fight first. One of our more famous generals from World War II said it well. Paraphrasing here; It's not a soldier's duty to die for his country. It's his duty to get the dumb sumbitch on the other side to die for HIS country. Being sent to Iraq is not a death sentence. Rik Robert Skinner wrote: >Steve wrote: > > >>Of course I am willing to give my life to get rid of >>Sadam and all the rest of them... >> >> > >OK. We are waiting. >/Bob >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From sanderico at earthlink.net Wed Jun 8 14:59:38 2005 From: sanderico at earthlink.net (Rik Sandberg) Date: Wed Jun 8 14:59:45 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD In-Reply-To: <141.46f7794d.2fd8982a@aol.com> References: <141.46f7794d.2fd8982a@aol.com> Message-ID: <42A7401A.1060407@earthlink.net> Rummy, And this is W's fault how??? Does he have to go hold the hands of all our military people?? Doesn't seem to me that, that is the President's job. Rik R22RumRunner@aol.com wrote: >Ed, >Imagine that, stuff missing since the beginning of the war. It seems to me >that in a war plan, one would takes steps to secure stuff like this. Sounds >like another case of W totally botching the job. > >Rummy >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > From stan at rhodes22.com Wed Jun 8 16:12:43 2005 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan) Date: Wed Jun 8 15:12:54 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD References: <141.46f7794d.2fd8982a@aol.com> Message-ID: <015001c56c5e$0fcd3700$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt> Yeh Rummy, I think we should draft our former commander-in-chief back. Only one downed pilot and we got him back safe and sound. It is like tomatoes; our new young leader and his cheering squad have not had the opportunity to know what a real one tastes like. stan/gbi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD > Ed, > Imagine that, stuff missing since the beginning of the war. It seems to me > that in a war plan, one would takes steps to secure stuff like this. > Sounds > like another case of W totally botching the job. > > Rummy > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 8 16:55:09 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 15:53:42 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious References: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <010801c56c53$b18cfea0$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <005a01c56c63$f9662430$660fa8c0@dell330> Sorry Stan, no cigar. Raven just has big 'ole group 31 and no solar. Good thinking though. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "stan" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > you might check to see if somehow one of the solar panels is not hooked to > the radio. > > stan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brad haslett" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:07 PM > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > > > > Peter, > > > > You may want to disconnect your battery and see if the > > noise is still there. That is the last ditch effort > > on every electrical fire and smoke checklist for every > > airplane I've ever flown and one of the first > > troubleshooting issues as a mechanic. Current has a > > strange habit of finding its own path sometimes. If > > its still there with the battery disconnected, see > > list below. > > > > Brad > > > > --- ed kroposki wrote: > > > >> Peter: > >> 1. Bugs? > >> 2. Harmonics > >> 3. Wireless transmitting device in proximity > >> 4. High power AM transmitting station nearby? > >> > >> Ed K > >> Greenville, SC, USA > >> Web Cam: > >> www.ils.unc.edu/parkproject/webcam/webcam.html > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > >> Behalf Of Peter Thorn > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:22 AM > >> To: Rhodes 22 List Members > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] very curious > >> > >> Hello Rhodies, > >> > >> Admiral Tana and I had a great shakedown 3 day > >> Memorial Day cruise at Kerr > >> Lake. Now Raven is resting on the trailer outside, > >> getting ready for our > >> Upper Chesapeake trip at the end of June. > >> (6/29-7/7) > >> > >> This morning, after a pretty hard rain last night, > >> the cockpit speakers > >> started making a strange noise. First the port > >> speaker made a popping > >> noise. I first noticed the noise after the sunlight > >> started to warm Raven's > >> topsides. I boarded and verified that all circuits > >> were switched off and > >> disconnected the speaker wire lead at the speaker to > >> still the popping > >> noise. Later, the starboard speaker started up, a > >> bit little louder. So, I > >> boarded and again, verified all circuit were > >> switched off again and > >> disconnected the starboard speaker wire from the > >> speaker. > >> > >> Does anybody have a guess as to what could be > >> happening? > >> > >> PT > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > >> www.rhodes22.org/list > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > >> www.rhodes22.org/list > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From cjlowe at bright.net Wed Jun 8 17:31:23 2005 From: cjlowe at bright.net (cjlowe) Date: Wed Jun 8 16:32:11 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions References: Message-ID: <00c001c56c69$156f2aa0$6e9adb42@0017792884> David, Can't help with the furler, but Coleman makes a stove with a grill on the left side and a burner on the right side. It's fueled by propane,and boils water very quickly.We have had one ,going on our second season,and are very happy with it.The bottom of the grill can be covered with aluminum foil,making clean-up a ten second job.We've only cooked hot dogs, hamburgers,and cubed steaks, on the grill,but they've turned out well.They make a griddle to use on the grill side, we bought it but haven't tried it yet.Just another option. Jerry From joscook at msn.com Wed Jun 8 17:35:01 2005 From: joscook at msn.com (J Cook) Date: Wed Jun 8 16:35:12 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer References: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com><010801c56c53$b18cfea0$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt> <005a01c56c63$f9662430$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of impression on both sides.) Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to the hull. The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the Trailmaster trailer. Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be options. Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at adjusting the trailer. Thanks Joseph Cook From salm at mn.rr.com Wed Jun 8 17:14:27 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Wed Jun 8 17:14:32 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joseph, Yes, "oil canning" is the right term, and sometimes I see that on mine. I don't know why it's only sometimes. But maybe it could be fixed by replacing the bunks if they're overly bowed. With new (flat) bunks, the middle would support more weight with less at the ends. I dunno--just a thought. Slim On 6/8/05 3:35 PM, "J Cook" wrote: > We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. > > I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when the > boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the forward > ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of impression on > both sides.) > > Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket forward > about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the bunks were > significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. > > We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down > again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was well > rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to the > hull. > > The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft > end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only > to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the > Trailmaster trailer. > > Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening > the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be > options. > > Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at > adjusting the trailer. > > Thanks > > Joseph Cook > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 8 20:24:20 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 19:23:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer References: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <010801c56c53$b18cfea0$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt> <005a01c56c63$f9662430$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <002d01c56c81$32bb64d0$660fa8c0@dell330> Joseph, I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad with 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has a very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across the bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might tend to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each corner. Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did the bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" on the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch for the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace the trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't have to do it again for a very long time. Good luck. PT Raven Chapel Hill, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of impression on both sides.) Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to the hull. The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the Trailmaster trailer. Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be options. Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at adjusting the trailer. Thanks Joseph Cook __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -------------- next part -------------- Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg From salm at mn.rr.com Wed Jun 8 19:45:01 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Wed Jun 8 19:45:04 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer Message-ID: Peter, I need to replace my bunks soon so I read your post with great interest. A couple questions: Those look like 2 X 6s - would 2 X 8s be better? And what are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides and where did you get them? You can winch the boat forward with boat and trailer out of the water? Really? It doesn't take off the bottom paint? Slim On 6/8/05 6:24 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: > Joseph, > > I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad with > 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no > knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has a > very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it > deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across the > bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might tend > to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each corner. > Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. > > The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did the > bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" on > the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to > precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's > website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch for > the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! > > It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace the > trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't > have to do it again for a very long time. > > Good luck. > > PT > Raven > Chapel Hill, NC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. > > I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when > the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the > forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of > impression on both sides.) > > Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket > forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the > bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. > > We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down > again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was > well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to > the hull. > > The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft > end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only > to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the > Trailmaster trailer. > > Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening > the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be > options. > > Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at > adjusting the trailer. > > Thanks > > Joseph Cook > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not available > Url: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Wed Jun 8 21:27:46 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Wed Jun 8 20:29:18 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c56c8a$37c018f0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Peter, Where does one get this #1 Yellow Pine? Kiln dried treated yellow pine? This is not Home Depot stuff. Where from? You gottum you own sawmill? How far are you guides off the bunks? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA This one is for Wally: http://cookerealty.com/webcam.htm -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Slim Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:45 PM To: Rhodes Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer Peter, I need to replace my bunks soon so I read your post with great interest. A couple questions: Those look like 2 X 6s - would 2 X 8s be better? And what are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides and where did you get them? You can winch the boat forward with boat and trailer out of the water? Really? It doesn't take off the bottom paint? Slim On 6/8/05 6:24 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: > Joseph, > > I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad with > 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no > knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has a > very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it > deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across the > bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might tend > to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each corner. > Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. > > The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did the > bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" on > the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to > precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's > website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch for > the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! > > It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace the > trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't > have to do it again for a very long time. > > Good luck. > > PT > Raven > Chapel Hill, NC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. > > I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when > the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the > forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of > impression on both sides.) > > Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket > forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the > bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. > > We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down > again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was > well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to > the hull. > > The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft > end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only > to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the > Trailmaster trailer. > > Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening > the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be > options. > > Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at > adjusting the trailer. > > Thanks > > Joseph Cook > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not available > Url: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rjquinn at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 8 21:37:10 2005 From: rjquinn at bellsouth.net (Robert Quinn) Date: Wed Jun 8 20:37:23 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer References: <20050608160758.67795.qmail@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com><010801c56c53$b18cfea0$9b98a53f@yourze8cxvr8tt><005a01c56c63$f9662430$660fa8c0@dell330> <002d01c56c81$32bb64d0$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <003501c56c8b$5f499940$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Very nice work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thorn" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > Joseph, > > I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad with > 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no > knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has a > very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it > deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across the > bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might > tend > to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each corner. > Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. > > The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did the > bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" on > the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to > precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's > website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch for > the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! > > It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace > the > trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't > have to do it again for a very long time. > > Good luck. > > PT > Raven > Chapel Hill, NC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. > > I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when > the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the > forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of > impression on both sides.) > > Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket > forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the > bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. > > We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down > again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was > well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to > the hull. > > The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the > aft > end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve > only > to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the > Trailmaster trailer. > > Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried > lengthening > the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be > options. > > Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot > at > adjusting the trailer. > > Thanks > > Joseph Cook > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not available > Url: > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From R22RumRunner at aol.com Wed Jun 8 22:11:46 2005 From: R22RumRunner at aol.com (R22RumRunner@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 8 21:11:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] #1 yellow pine Message-ID: <1dd.3ee971d7.2fd8f152@aol.com> Ed, Ask for it at Lowe's. They have it. (You will pay more for it) Another option which I chose, was to use treated lumber, also pine. The treated lumber is usually still very green (still wet from the treatment) and it dries to a nice supportive curvature with the boat on the trailer. Rummy From robert at squirrelhaven.com Wed Jun 8 22:21:08 2005 From: robert at squirrelhaven.com (Robert Skinner) Date: Wed Jun 8 21:21:20 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day References: <20050607154940.9231.qmail@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42A7172D.AEC56EE@squirrelhaven.com> <42A73EFA.9090201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42A79984.4462D2E1@squirrelhaven.com> Rik Sandberg wrote: > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. I couldn't resist such an invitation... Consider it a way of suggesting silence. Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get out of the way." As you correctly point out, there is too much empty talk about dying for our country from those with no flesh on the front lines. Apologies to those who may be offended by such a direct response. All honor to those who are in harm's way. /Robert Skinner From pthorn at nc.rr.com Wed Jun 8 23:20:47 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 22:19:20 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer References: Message-ID: <003001c56c99$d9374000$660fa8c0@dell330> Slim, Overton's has them. http://www.overtons.com/modperl/overtons/detail/pdetail2.cgi?r=detail_view&item_num=27606 I used 2x6 kiln dried #1 PTSYP (pressure treated southern yellow pine), available at the local lumber yard here - their best grade. H/D and Lowes don't usually carry such high quality. I picked quarter sawn boards from the pile for extra strength and stability. It's hard to improve on Stan's design, but it's fairly easy to use better materials for the bunks than Michael Orro has been using lately on the Triads. I think the low gear of that two-speed winch would pull stumps. When the boat and trailer is still wet it is easiest. Mark placed a mark on Raven's waterline stripe to match up with a mark on the Trailmaster trailer for ideal tongue weight. I installed a similar mark on the Triad and checked the tongue weight with a tongue weight scale. So, it's just a matter of winching the boat forward in the parking lot to match up the two marks. Thanks Mark -- good idea! Raven has a hard vinyl paint, which doesn't come off easily. A small amount remains on the bunks after launching. I hope this helps. Good luck! PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slim" To: "Rhodes" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > Peter, > > I need to replace my bunks soon so I read your post with great interest. A > couple questions: Those look like 2 X 6s - would 2 X 8s be better? And > what are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides and where did you get them? You > can winch the boat forward with boat and trailer out of the water? Really? > It doesn't take off the bottom paint? > > Slim > > On 6/8/05 6:24 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: > > > Joseph, > > > > I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad with > > 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no > > knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has a > > very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it > > deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across the > > bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might tend > > to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each corner. > > Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. > > > > The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did the > > bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" on > > the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to > > precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's > > website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch for > > the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! > > > > It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace the > > trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't > > have to do it again for a very long time. > > > > Good luck. > > > > PT > > Raven > > Chapel Hill, NC > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Cook" > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > > > > We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. > > > > I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when > > the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the > > forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of > > impression on both sides.) > > > > Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket > > forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the > > bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. > > > > We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down > > again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was > > well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to > > the hull. > > > > The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft > > end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only > > to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the > > Trailmaster trailer. > > > > Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening > > the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be > > options. > > > > Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at > > adjusting the trailer. > > > > Thanks > > > > Joseph Cook > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not available > > Url: > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com Wed Jun 8 23:32:07 2005 From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer) Date: Wed Jun 8 22:40:30 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer In-Reply-To: <003001c56c99$d9374000$660fa8c0@dell330> References: <003001c56c99$d9374000$660fa8c0@dell330> Message-ID: <42A7AA27.4080207@michaelmeltzer.com> heads up, part of what keeps the boat on the trailer IS the friction of the bunks. rhodes22 owner are NOT in the habit of strapping their boats down. The trailer do not nominally come with loop for straps. And I have broken 2 winches(the brakes) over the years. SO if you are going to do this make sure to add straps and padding for hull and deck, the time to set it up, and loosen the winch strap and replace it with tie downs. MJM Peter Thorn wrote: >Slim, > >Overton's has them. >http://www.overtons.com/modperl/overtons/detail/pdetail2.cgi?r=detail_view&item_num=27606 > >I used 2x6 kiln dried #1 PTSYP (pressure treated southern yellow pine), >available at the local lumber yard here - their best grade. H/D and Lowes >don't usually carry such high quality. I picked quarter sawn boards from >the pile for extra strength and stability. It's hard to improve on Stan's >design, but it's fairly easy to use better materials for the bunks than >Michael Orro has been using lately on the Triads. > >I think the low gear of that two-speed winch would pull stumps. When the >boat and trailer is still wet it is easiest. Mark placed a mark on Raven's >waterline stripe to match up with a mark on the Trailmaster trailer for >ideal tongue weight. I installed a similar mark on the Triad and checked >the tongue weight with a tongue weight scale. So, it's just a matter of >winching the boat forward in the parking lot to match up the two marks. >Thanks Mark -- good idea! > >Raven has a hard vinyl paint, which doesn't come off easily. A small amount >remains on the bunks after launching. > >I hope this helps. Good luck! > >PT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Slim" >To: "Rhodes" >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:45 PM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > > >>Peter, >> >>I need to replace my bunks soon so I read your post with great interest. >> >> >A > > >>couple questions: Those look like 2 X 6s - would 2 X 8s be better? And >>what are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides and where did you get them? You >>can winch the boat forward with boat and trailer out of the water? >> >> >Really? > > >>It doesn't take off the bottom paint? >> >>Slim >> >>On 6/8/05 6:24 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: >> >> >> >>>Joseph, >>> >>>I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad >>> >>> >with > > >>>12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no >>>knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has >>> >>> >a > > >>>very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it >>>deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across >>> >>> >the > > >>>bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might >>> >>> >tend > > >>>to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each >>> >>> >corner. > > >>>Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. >>> >>>The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did >>> >>> >the > > >>>bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" >>> >>> >on > > >>>the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to >>>precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's >>>website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch >>> >>> >for > > >>>the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! >>> >>>It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace >>> >>> >the > > >>>trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't >>>have to do it again for a very long time. >>> >>>Good luck. >>> >>>PT >>>Raven >>>Chapel Hill, NC >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "J Cook" >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM >>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer >>> >>> >>>We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. >>> >>>I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning >>> >>> >when > > >>>the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where >>> >>> >the > > >>>forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of >>>impression on both sides.) >>> >>>Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket >>>forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and >>> >>> >the > > >>>bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. >>> >>>We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed >>> >>> >down > > >>>again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was >>>well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound >>> >>> >to > > >>>the hull. >>> >>>The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the >>> >>> >aft > > >>>end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve >>> >>> >only > > >>>to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the >>>Trailmaster trailer. >>> >>>Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried >>> >>> >lengthening > > >>>the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight >>> >>> >be > > >>>options. >>> >>>Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot >>> >>> >at > > >>>adjusting the trailer. >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>Joseph Cook >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>>Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not >>> >>> >available > > >>>Url: >>> >>> >>> >http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg > > >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > From pthorn at nc.rr.com Thu Jun 9 00:02:33 2005 From: pthorn at nc.rr.com (Peter Thorn) Date: Wed Jun 8 23:01:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer References: <003001c56c99$d9374000$660fa8c0@dell330> <42A7AA27.4080207@michaelmeltzer.com> Message-ID: <000c01c56c9f$af181c80$660fa8c0@dell330> MJM, That's a good point and I agree with all of it except for the part about trailers not equipped with strap hooks. My 2003 Triad has two forward and two aft tie-down hooks welded to the frame made of 1/2" rod. Each one looks capable of securing the entire boat. I use two "X"ed cross straps to the stern eyes (like Roger) in the rear and a single long strap across the front. The front strap breaks just in front of the cabin house, right on the aft foredeck. Also, 1/4" chain from the winch tower to the bow eye. It's a big PITA to rig all that strapping, but worth it in peace of mind while driving. PT ----- Original Message ----- From: michael meltzer To: Peter Thorn ; The Rhodes 22 mail list Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer heads up, part of what keeps the boat on the trailer IS the friction of the bunks. rhodes22 owner are NOT in the habit of strapping their boats down. The trailer do not nominally come with loop for straps. And I have broken 2 winches(the brakes) over the years. SO if you are going to do this make sure to add straps and padding for hull and deck, the time to set it up, and loosen the winch strap and replace it with tie downs. MJM Peter Thorn wrote: Slim, Overton's has them. http://www.overtons.com/modperl/overtons/detail/pdetail2.cgi?r=detail_view&item_num=27606 I used 2x6 kiln dried #1 PTSYP (pressure treated southern yellow pine), available at the local lumber yard here - their best grade. H/D and Lowes don't usually carry such high quality. I picked quarter sawn boards from the pile for extra strength and stability. It's hard to improve on Stan's design, but it's fairly easy to use better materials for the bunks than Michael Orro has been using lately on the Triads. I think the low gear of that two-speed winch would pull stumps. When the boat and trailer is still wet it is easiest. Mark placed a mark on Raven's waterline stripe to match up with a mark on the Trailmaster trailer for ideal tongue weight. I installed a similar mark on the Triad and checked the tongue weight with a tongue weight scale. So, it's just a matter of winching the boat forward in the parking lot to match up the two marks. Thanks Mark -- good idea! Raven has a hard vinyl paint, which doesn't come off easily. A small amount remains on the bunks after launching. I hope this helps. Good luck! PT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slim" To: "Rhodes" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer Peter, I need to replace my bunks soon so I read your post with great interest. A couple questions: Those look like 2 X 6s - would 2 X 8s be better? And what are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides and where did you get them? You can winch the boat forward with boat and trailer out of the water? Really? It doesn't take off the bottom paint? Slim On 6/8/05 6:24 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: Joseph, I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad with 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has a very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across the bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might tend to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each corner. Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did the bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" on the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch for the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace the trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't have to do it again for a very long time. Good luck. PT Raven Chapel Hill, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cook" To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning when the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where the forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of impression on both sides.) Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and the bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed down again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound to the hull. The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the aft end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve only to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the Trailmaster trailer. Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried lengthening the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight be options. Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot at adjusting the trailer. Thanks Joseph Cook __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not available Url: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From sprocket80 at mail.com Thu Jun 9 00:42:51 2005 From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Thu Jun 9 00:42:56 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer Message-ID: <20050609044251.147E66EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Peter and Joseph, I borrowed a fellow Rhodie's trailer to bring my old 1974 hull to the dump. I used a clevis to attach a strap to the top gudgeon which I had the bulldozer operator hook onto his bucket to pull the boat off of the trailer. The boat came off fine, but the end of one of the bunks cracked. I replaced both bunks with the very best PT 2" x 6" x 12' boards that I could find at Home Depot. The bunk brackets are slotted where the 1/2" carriage bolts attach. Over time, these bolts rusted and got loose allowing the bunks to bow excessively. If Joseph replaces the bunks and bolts, it may well solve his problems. The bunks on this (older designed) Triad trailer were 136 1/2" long and the holes were drilled almost center of the slot. I tightened the bolts with no weight on the bunks. I will have to ask the lender if he has any oil canning. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thorn" To: "Rhodes 22 List Members" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:02:33 -0400 > > MJM, > > That's a good point and I agree with all of it except for the part > about trailers not equipped with strap hooks. My 2003 Triad has > two forward and two aft tie-down hooks welded to the frame made of > 1/2" rod. Each one looks capable of securing the entire boat. > > I use two "X"ed cross straps to the stern eyes (like Roger) in the > rear and a single long strap across the front. The front strap > breaks just in front of the cabin house, right on the aft foredeck. > > Also, 1/4" chain from the winch tower to the bow eye. It's a big > PITA to rig all that strapping, but worth it in peace of mind while > driving. > > PT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael meltzer > To: Peter Thorn ; The Rhodes 22 mail list > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > heads up, part of what keeps the boat on the trailer IS the > friction of the bunks. rhodes22 owner are NOT in the habit of > strapping their boats down. The trailer do not nominally come with > loop for straps. And I have broken 2 winches(the brakes) over the > years. SO if you are going to do this make sure to add straps and > padding for hull and deck, the time to set it up, and loosen the > winch strap and replace it with tie downs. > > MJM > > > > Peter Thorn wrote: > > Slim, > > Overton's has them. > http://www.overtons.com/modperl/overtons/detail/pdetail2.cgi?r=detail_view&item_num=27606 > > I used 2x6 kiln dried #1 PTSYP (pressure treated southern yellow pine), > available at the local lumber yard here - their best grade. H/D and Lowes > don't usually carry such high quality. I picked quarter sawn boards from > the pile for extra strength and stability. It's hard to improve on Stan's > design, but it's fairly easy to use better materials for the bunks than > Michael Orro has been using lately on the Triads. > > I think the low gear of that two-speed winch would pull stumps. When the > boat and trailer is still wet it is easiest. Mark placed a mark on Raven's > waterline stripe to match up with a mark on the Trailmaster trailer for > ideal tongue weight. I installed a similar mark on the Triad and checked > the tongue weight with a tongue weight scale. So, it's just a matter of > winching the boat forward in the parking lot to match up the two marks. > Thanks Mark -- good idea! > > Raven has a hard vinyl paint, which doesn't come off easily. A small amount > remains on the bunks after launching. > > I hope this helps. Good luck! > > PT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Slim" > To: "Rhodes" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > Peter, > > I need to replace my bunks soon so I read your post with great interest. > A > couple questions: Those look like 2 X 6s - would 2 X 8s be better? And > what are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides and where did you get them? You > can winch the boat forward with boat and trailer out of the water? > Really? > It doesn't take off the bottom paint? > > Slim > > On 6/8/05 6:24 PM, "Peter Thorn" wrote: > > Joseph, > > I replaced the 10' non pressure treated larch bunks on my 2003 Triad > with > 12' kiln dried Pressure Treated Southern Yellow Pine #1 grade lumber (no > knots). As far as softwoods go, this is a very strong material and has > a > very high fiber stress rating. Although it is flexible, under a load it > deflects less, so it more evenly distributes the boat's weight across > the > bunks instead of point loading in the corners, like a lesser wood might > tend > to do. At Stan's suggestion, I cantilevered the bunks 1' at each > corner. > Haven't had even the hint of oil-canning. > > The plastic covers are Tie-Down Engineer's bunk guides. Two kits did > the > bunks and inner keel guides. These just make the boat more "slippery" > on > the trailer, so I can crank it slowly forward in the parking lot to > precisely load the tongue weight up to around 400#. After reading Rik's > website and some of his writings, I also changed to a two-speed winch > for > the same purpose. It all works together beautifully! > > It you decide to go to all this trouble, you might also want to replace > the > trailer bunk bolts with stainless. This extra expense insures you won't > have to do it again for a very long time. > > Good luck. > > PT > Raven > Chapel Hill, NC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Cook" > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:35 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oil canning on the trailer > > > We just pulled our boat for a little paint-up, fix-up, clean-up time. > > I remember seeing a post, a while back, trouble-shooting oil-canning > when > the boat is on the trailer. ( Hope I got that definition right. Where > the > forward ends of the bunks press against the hull, I am finding a bit of > impression on both sides.) > > Before putting her on the trailer this time, I moved the winch bracket > forward about 2 inches. I also put a drop hitch in the reciever), and > the > bunks were significantly less angled on the ramp than before.. > > We ratcheted the boat up snug, pulled up the ramp, re-snugged, backed > down > again, re-snugged again and repeated a couple of timed until her bow was > well rested against the Y. But I'm still getting a bit of inward bound > to > the hull. > > The boat's weight is bearing on the two 128" bunks and one roller at the > aft > end of the keel. No weight is on the two runners, which I assume serve > only > to guid the boat onto the trailer. There is no front roller on the > Trailmaster trailer. > > Any ideas for an easy fix? I don't recall if anybody has tried > lengthening > the bunks to 12 feet or instaled a front roller. I guess those maight > be > options. > > Hopefully, she's going back in the water soon, so I can get another shot > at > adjusting the trailer. > > Thanks > > Joseph Cook > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > Name: P3100041.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 949374 bytes Desc: not > available > Url: > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200506/08/P3100041.jpg > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 09:16:19 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Thu Jun 9 08:16:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD In-Reply-To: <000001c56c3d$509e6590$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: Ed, Thanks for changing the sugject line but my post was not about "WMDs". Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is not Iraq". The funny thing is I have never questioned that Iraq had "WMDs". I have questioned what level of threat Iraq was to our National Security and our motives for attacking when we did. This is very hard for many to understand. You are correct that the nukes were not in Cuba. I apologize for the error. The USSR was building the missle pads and facilities to store and launch Russian nukes in Cuba. The Soviets also had bombers based in Cuba. There was a real threat to our National Security. Also note that this was settled with out a war. This was my point. Not much to compare with Iraq. I do understand that WMDs involve gas, biological, and other means. I am quite sure that stuff is missing as you say. This problem is not limited to Iraq. Again this was not the point of my post. The situation in Cuba then and Iraq now is quite different. To say differently is to ignore history. Wally >From: "ed kroposki" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:18:21 -0400 > >Wally, > WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, such as gas, bio, et >al. The issue was preventing them getting nuc's, not that they already had >them. The same issue now next door in Iran. Furthermore, nuclear is not >limited to bomb explosives but also bomb results, ie, dirty explosives that >contaminate. > There was a complaint issued by the U.N. inspectors recently about >missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone missing since the start of the >war. If there was not problem, why are the U.N. inspectors complaining >about missing nuclear stuff now? > I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, but your last comment >was not accurate. Humpf. > >Ed K > >-----Original Message----- >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > >Mark, > >Steve is forgetting that there were actually nukes in Cuba and we had the >pictures to prove it. To compare this to the situation Iraq is simply not >logical. Ignoring facts is a problem for some! > >Wally > > >From: "Mark Kaynor" > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:04 -0400 > > > >Hey Steve, > >Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair with Marilyn Monroe?:-) > >Being unfaithful to his wife in the White House!!! I have never heard of > >such an abuse of power:-) Mark > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve > >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > >Hey Slim > >Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us to war over nukes in > >Cuba:-) > >Taking this country to war over something like weapon of mass > >distruction!!! > >I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) Steve > > > > > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > > > I was wondering if someone would notice that:-) Steve > > > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell anyone but there are a few > > > Dems I like:-) > > > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > > > It is not what the > > > > > government can do for you but what you can do > > > for > > > > your > > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a famous > > > quote > > > > by a famous Democrat > > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went like > > > this: > > > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can do for you, but what you > > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Discover Yahoo! > > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Discover Yahoo! > >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! > >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From tnrhodey at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 09:20:22 2005 From: tnrhodey at hotmail.com (Wally Buck) Date: Thu Jun 9 08:20:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <001201c56c2a$cf064cd0$6101a8c0@gatewaysystem> Message-ID: Bob, I learned this the first time I used my spinnaker. :-) I had flown spinnakers before but I had never had a boat with a furler. It has only happened that one time. Wally >From: "Robert Quinn" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:05:56 -0400 > >Wally / David: Proof that the more brains on a topic the better we do. I >had that exact problem on my boat last spring. The extra halyard wrapped >itself on the furling swivel and kept it from unfurling. > >Bob on the "NoKaOi" >----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:57 AM >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions > > >>Ahoy Davd. >> >>Regarding furler problem. You mention you have UPP; was this a typo for >>UPS? If so I am guessing you have a second halyard for UPS (sail). Look up >>when you try to furl and see if the UPS halyard is wrapping around head >>sail. Just a thought ..... >> >>Wally >> >>>From: "David Dallas" >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>To: >>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions >>>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:51:59 -0600 >>> >>>Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site >>>for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan's >>>help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a >>>demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of >>>it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, >>>marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great >>>shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and >>>figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but >>>this is my first experience with a 'bigger' boat. I live in Calgary, >>>Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I >>>will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) >>>and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on >>>vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had >>>our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and >>>questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I >>>love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going >>>through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great >>>help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and >>>adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list >>>who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. >>>I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or >>>two as I gain experience. >>> >>> >>> >>>Two questions right of the top are: >>> >>> >>> >>>1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out >>>more than approx 2/3 to ¾ of the Genoa. There was resistance and the >>>furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan's >>>instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn't >>>notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious >>>to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or >>>suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>>2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere >>>(can't remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know >>>about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your >>>recommendations? >>> >>> >>> >>>Thank-you for your time. >>> >>> >>> >>>David Dallas >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 07:35:42 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu Jun 9 09:35:47 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <42A79984.4462D2E1@squirrelhaven.com> Message-ID: <20050609133542.81103.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on this list; your unwillingness to even try and understand how the world work only show your lack of brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. Liberal central for you liberals & what is this country doing; we are going after them. It is always better to fight a war on some other Country soil as compared to fighting it on this country soil. You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you protested that war. This country had the capitality to free those people & because of people like you; a lot of vietamise people continue to have to live without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT JUST YOU. As for liberals like you who think the one thing that government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not a productive citizen, they are not helping this country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be proud of. Anybody that support allowing people to remain on Welfare without a direct course of action to get off Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass and go to work and earn your own living. I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - free of charge. I know that you probably expect a Welfare check to come with this information but at least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say below; I could not resist the invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try and help my fellow man!!! Steve --- Robert Skinner wrote: > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > out of the way." > > As you correctly point out, there is too > much empty talk about dying for our country > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > such a direct response. > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > /Robert Skinner > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dedallas at telus.net Thu Jun 9 10:03:35 2005 From: dedallas at telus.net (David Dallas) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:01:24 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: <000201c56bae$8794e1d0$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <001901c56d04$6918d8e0$1401a8c0@aardvark> Ed: UPP is Stan's acronym for 'Ultimate Power Package'. It is the Yamaha 9.9 high thrust motor with the powered motor lift, extra battery and solar panel, remote motor controls, etc., etc.. David -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ed kroposki Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:16 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions David: It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, --- what is a UPP that are you that you have, the porta potti? Ed K Greenville, SC, USA __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From ekroposki at charter.net Thu Jun 9 12:15:39 2005 From: ekroposki at charter.net (ed kroposki) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:15:49 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe In-Reply-To: <20050609133542.81103.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c56d06$18b1e430$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Steve, Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and unnecessary. I appreciate that you think you are a long timer with special status, but you are abusing the list. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Robert Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on this list; your unwillingness to even try and understand how the world work only show your lack of brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. Liberal central for you liberals & what is this country doing; we are going after them. It is always better to fight a war on some other Country soil as compared to fighting it on this country soil. You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you protested that war. This country had the capitality to free those people & because of people like you; a lot of vietamise people continue to have to live without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT JUST YOU. As for liberals like you who think the one thing that government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not a productive citizen, they are not helping this country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be proud of. Anybody that support allowing people to remain on Welfare without a direct course of action to get off Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass and go to work and earn your own living. I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - free of charge. I know that you probably expect a Welfare check to come with this information but at least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say below; I could not resist the invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try and help my fellow man!!! Steve --- Robert Skinner wrote: > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > out of the way." > > As you correctly point out, there is too > much empty talk about dying for our country > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > such a direct response. > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > /Robert Skinner > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From dedallas at telus.net Thu Jun 9 10:20:25 2005 From: dedallas at telus.net (David Dallas) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:18:14 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c56d06$c292f750$1401a8c0@aardvark> Thanks to all for all your suggestions. My wife and I are going sailing today (day off). I will try some of your suggestions for the furler. AS far as the stove goes, I think I'm going to either replace it or look at one of the colemans, they seem to be popular. Thanks again, David Dallas -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:20 AM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions Bob, I learned this the first time I used my spinnaker. :-) I had flown spinnakers before but I had never had a boat with a furler. It has only happened that one time. Wally >From: "Robert Quinn" >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:05:56 -0400 > >Wally / David: Proof that the more brains on a topic the better we do. I >had that exact problem on my boat last spring. The extra halyard wrapped >itself on the furling swivel and kept it from unfurling. > >Bob on the "NoKaOi" >----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:57 AM >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions > > >>Ahoy Davd. >> >>Regarding furler problem. You mention you have UPP; was this a typo for >>UPS? If so I am guessing you have a second halyard for UPS (sail). Look up >>when you try to furl and see if the UPS halyard is wrapping around head >>sail. Just a thought ..... >> >>Wally >> >>>From: "David Dallas" >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list >>>To: >>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello Again!, I have my Rhodes! Questions >>>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:51:59 -0600 >>> >>>Hello all, my name is David Dallas. I have been a lurker on this site >>>for some months now. I purchased a 2001 Rhodes privately with Stan's >>>help last summer and just picked it up a couple of weeks ago. It was a >>>demo boat. The original owner sold as he was not getting any use out of >>>it. It has most of the toys; IMF, UPP, CDI genoa furler, life rails, >>>marine head with pump, captains chairs, etc., etc. It is in great >>>shape, I am just dealing with three years of neglect issues, and >>>figuring out how everything works. I have done some dinghy sailing, but >>>this is my first experience with a 'bigger' boat. I live in Calgary, >>>Alberta Canada and sail out of Ghost Lake, a reservoir near here. I >>>will also be trailering to British Columbia (where I am originally from) >>>and sailing on Kootenay Lake and Okanogan and Shushwap Lakes on >>>vacation, etc.. We just got the boat in the water last weekend and had >>>our inaugural sail; it was wonderful! We received many compliments and >>>questions; the Rhodes is not well known in landlocked western Canada. I >>>love this boat, although the learning curve is steep for me. Going >>>through this list and the FAQ on the Rhodes22.org site has been a great >>>help. I have also enjoyed reading about some of your experiences and >>>adventures with your Rhodes. Thank-you to all the veterans of this list >>>who have made time to share their knowledge and experience with others. >>>I will have lots of questions; hopefully I can start answering one or >>>two as I gain experience. >>> >>> >>> >>>Two questions right of the top are: >>> >>> >>> >>>1./ I have the CDI FF2 furler. During my sail, I was unable to let out >>>more than approx 2/3 to ? of the Genoa. There was resistance and the >>>furling drum would not turn. I did not force it as per Stan's >>>instructions and those noted in the CDI manual. I had a look and didn't >>>notice anything obvious. As I am new to this, it could be very obvious >>>to someone with a little experience. If anyone would care to comment or >>>suggest something, it would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>>2./ My boat came with the Kenyon Express 23000 stove. I read somewhere >>>(can't remember where) there was a recall on these? Does anyone know >>>about this? If I need/want to change stoves what are your >>>recommendations? >>> >>> >>> >>>Thank-you for your time. >>> >>> >>> >>>David Dallas >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From Marc.Steiger at dlptech.com Thu Jun 9 12:18:14 2005 From: Marc.Steiger at dlptech.com (Marc Steiger) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:19:29 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Message-ID: Steve- I think you are out of line. As has been said before, there is a difference between personally attacking someone, and political debate. To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone stupid too their face justifies a black eye in return. As a conservative, you embarrass me. Marc -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day Robert Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on this list; your unwillingness to even try and understand how the world work only show your lack of brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. Liberal central for you liberals & what is this country doing; we are going after them. It is always better to fight a war on some other Country soil as compared to fighting it on this country soil. You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you protested that war. This country had the capitality to free those people & because of people like you; a lot of vietamise people continue to have to live without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT JUST YOU. As for liberals like you who think the one thing that government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not a productive citizen, they are not helping this country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be proud of. Anybody that support allowing people to remain on Welfare without a direct course of action to get off Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass and go to work and earn your own living. I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - free of charge. I know that you probably expect a Welfare check to come with this information but at least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say below; I could not resist the invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try and help my fellow man!!! Steve --- Robert Skinner wrote: > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > out of the way." > > As you correctly point out, there is too > much empty talk about dying for our country > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > such a direct response. > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > /Robert Skinner > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 09:32:40 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:32:43 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: For Robert only ***Steve's diatribe In-Reply-To: <000001c56d06$18b1e430$6500a8c0@user6m0z74bsst> Message-ID: <20050609153240.25331.qmail@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ed I never consider myself in special status. But I do call it like it is!!!!!!!!! If people don't want to know the facts; they don't have to bring up this liberal nonsense. I am never the one that starts this stuff. Steve --- ed kroposki wrote: > Steve, > Your diatribe is not appropriate, undeserved and > unnecessary. I > appreciate that you think you are a long timer with > special status, but you > are abusing the list. > > Ed K > Greenville, SC, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy > Comment on D-Day > > Robert > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work only show your lack of > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to > go > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > country doing; we are going after them. It is > always > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing > to > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it > you > protested that war. This country had the capitality > to free those people & because of people like you; a > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > JUST YOU. > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are > not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of. > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy > ass > and go to work and earn your own living. > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you > - > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > Welfare check to come with this information but at > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > below; I could not resist the > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > and help my fellow man!!! > Steve > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > out of the way." > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > such a direct response. > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > /Robert Skinner > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 09:33:57 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:34:01 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050609153357.25538.qmail@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Liberal don't fight Marc:-) Steve --- Marc Steiger wrote: > Steve- > > I think you are out of line. As has been said > before, there > is a difference between personally attacking > someone, and political > debate. > To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone > stupid too their face > justifies a black eye in return. > > As a conservative, you embarrass me. > > Marc > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy > Comment on D-Day > > Robert > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work only show your lack of > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to > go > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > country doing; we are going after them. It is > always > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing > to > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it > you > protested that war. This country had the capitality > to free those people & because of people like you; a > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > JUST YOU. > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are > not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of. > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy > ass > and go to work and earn your own living. > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you > - > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > Welfare check to come with this information but at > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > below; I could not resist the > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > and help my fellow man!!! > Steve > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > out of the way." > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > such a direct response. > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > /Robert Skinner > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hnw555 at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 12:34:48 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:34:51 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Marc, I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make it difficult for the rest of us conservatives to change opinions or even get our viewpoint across in a rational, well thought our argument. In a bar, Steve would have gotten a black eye for that. Hank On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger wrote: > Steve- > > I think you are out of line. As has been said before, there > is a difference between personally attacking someone, and political > debate. > To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone stupid too their face > justifies a black eye in return. > > As a conservative, you embarrass me. > > Marc > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > Robert > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work only show your lack of > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > country doing; we are going after them. It is always > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you > protested that war. This country had the capitality > to free those people & because of people like you; a > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > JUST YOU. > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of. > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass > and go to work and earn your own living. > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > Welfare check to come with this information but at > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > below; I could not resist the > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > and help my fellow man!!! > Steve > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > out of the way." > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > such a direct response. > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > /Robert Skinner > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list > From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 09:35:37 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:35:40 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050609153537.48935.qmail@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't think so Hank. Steve --- Hank wrote: > Marc, > > I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make it > difficult for the > rest of us conservatives to change opinions or even > get our viewpoint > across in a rational, well thought our argument. In > a bar, Steve > would have gotten a black eye for that. > > Hank > > > > On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger > wrote: > > Steve- > > > > I think you are out of line. As has been said > before, there > > is a difference between personally attacking > someone, and political > > debate. > > To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone > stupid too their face > > justifies a black eye in return. > > > > As a conservative, you embarrass me. > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy > Comment on D-Day > > > > Robert > > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes > I > > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said > on > > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > > understand how the world work only show your lack > of > > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT > help > > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to > go > > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > > country doing; we are going after them. It is > always > > better to fight a war on some other Country soil > as > > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like > you > > caused this country to lose a War. That is > nothing to > > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it > you > > protested that war. This country had the > capitality > > to free those people & because of people like you; > a > > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as > some > > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > > JUST YOU. > > > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > that > > government is to be used for is passing out > WELFARE > > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > sits > > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are > not > > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > > proud of. > > > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > > Welfare without a direct course of action to get > off > > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If > you > > are going to achieve a state of mind where you > enjoy > > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy > ass > > and go to work and earn your own living. > > > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity > can > > absorb the wealth of information I have provided > you - > > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > > Welfare check to come with this information but at > > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > > below; I could not resist the > > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always > try > > and help my fellow man!!! > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- Robert Skinner > wrote: > > > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > > out of the way." > > > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > > such a direct response. > > > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > > > /Robert Skinner > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From hnw555 at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 12:40:44 2005 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:40:47 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political - The war on Terrorism In-Reply-To: <245JFHu4K0152M36@cmsapps01.cms.usa.net> References: <245JFHu4K0152M36@cmsapps01.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: The below essay is, unfortunately, not attributed. I believe it presents a very succinct argument for the war on terrorism and accurately portrays the predicament the US is in. It does not assign blame to liberals or conservatives and, I do not believe it is biased in either direction. I think it is very good food for thought. Let the discussion begin! Hank ******************************************************************** To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII! ). The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize what losing really means. First, let's examine a few basics: 1. When did the threat to us start? Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us: Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983; Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988; Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Kh! obar Towers Military complex 1996; Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 19 98; Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; Pentagon 2001. (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide). 2. Why were we attacked? Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no provocation's by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter. 3. Who were the attackers? In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims. 4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25% 5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful? Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm). Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the 6 million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian or any others. Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die? 6. So who are we at war with? There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting. So with that background, now to the two major questions: 1. Can we lose this war? 2. What does losing really mean? If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions. We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to the second question - What does losing mean? It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get. What losing really means is: We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we were neutered and submissive to them. We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and cannot help them. They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a! time. It will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished. The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may already be too late for France. France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast! If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us, if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims, how could anyone else? The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know! it too and be likewise committed to winning at any cost. Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort to win. So, how can we lose the war? Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win! Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life and death seriousness of this situation. President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently. And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and in fact added many more since then. Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him? No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head. Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our cause. Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein. And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq. And still more recently, the same type enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American prisoners they held. Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them. Can this be for real? The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can. To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in, and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us, for many years. Remember, the Muslim terrorists' stated goal is to kill all infidels! That translates into all non-Muslims -- not just in the United States, but throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense. We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world! We can't! If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and no other free country in the World will survive if we are defeated. And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world. This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read. If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves, over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar? Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by politically correct piece. And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power. They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"? I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it. After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world. Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free world! Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our "leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those that find fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE! From rhodes2282 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 09:45:36 2005 From: rhodes2282 at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu Jun 9 11:45:40 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <20050609153537.48935.qmail@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050609154536.9432.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And furthermore, when has one liberals viewpoint been changed on this list. Liberals are not going to change thier viewpoints. It's not in them to change. They have been raised that way; more like brainwashed. These discussion are a waste of time anyway but If I have to read there liberal crap; then I will throw it back in thier face. It not like they are going to listen. Look at how the Democrates are losing every election. Do they change thier politics, do they change to how the country majority viewpoint is; NO - they keep thier Heads buried into the sand and grip about it. Are they helping this country - No. Are they assisting in moving this country into the 21 century - No. Are they helping free Million & Million of people - No. Try and remember that being Conservative does not necessary mean that you have to get along with the other side. And the liberals will benefit from the conservatives movement; we won't benefit any from the liberals way of thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stand for what you believe; and if someone is stupid; you are NOT helping that individual if you pat him on the back & say poor poor you -mean old conservative. He has to change or be left behind. You do them no service. Steve --- Steve wrote: > I don't think so Hank. > Steve > > --- Hank wrote: > > > Marc, > > > > I agree with you. Steve's comments are what make > it > > difficult for the > > rest of us conservatives to change opinions or > even > > get our viewpoint > > across in a rational, well thought our argument. > In > > a bar, Steve > > would have gotten a black eye for that. > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > On 6/9/05, Marc Steiger > > wrote: > > > Steve- > > > > > > I think you are out of line. As has been said > > before, there > > > is a difference between personally attacking > > someone, and political > > > debate. > > > To use the bar analogy, I think calling someone > > stupid too their face > > > justifies a black eye in return. > > > > > > As a conservative, you embarrass me. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of Steve > > > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:36 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] > Sappy > > Comment on D-Day > > > > > > Robert > > > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > > > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > > > > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. > Yes > > I > > > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said > > on > > > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > > > understand how the world work only show your > lack > > of > > > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT > > help > > > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason > to > > go > > > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > > > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > > > country doing; we are going after them. It is > > always > > > better to fight a war on some other Country soil > > as > > > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > > > > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like > > you > > > caused this country to lose a War. That is > > nothing to > > > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself > it > > you > > > protested that war. This country had the > > capitality > > > to free those people & because of people like > you; > > a > > > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > > > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as > > some > > > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; > NOT > > > JUST YOU. > > > > > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing > > that > > > government is to be used for is passing out > > WELFARE > > > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that > > sits > > > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > > > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They > are > > not > > > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > > > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to > be > > > proud of. > > > > > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain > on > > > Welfare without a direct course of action to get > > off > > > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If > > you > > > are going to achieve a state of mind where you > > enjoy > > > life and who you are; You got to get off you > lazy > > ass > > > and go to work and earn your own living. > > > > > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity > > can > > > absorb the wealth of information I have provided > > you - > > > free of charge. I know that you probably expect > a > > > Welfare check to come with this information but > at > > > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > > > below; I could not resist the > > > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always > > try > > > and help my fellow man!!! > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Robert Skinner > > wrote: > > > > > > > Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. > > > > > > > > Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. > > > > I couldn't resist such an invitation... > > > > Consider it a way of suggesting silence. > > > > > > > > Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get > > > > out of the way." > > > > > > > > As you correctly point out, there is too > > > > much empty talk about dying for our country > > > > from those with no flesh on the front lines. > > > > > > > > Apologies to those who may be offended by > > > > such a direct response. > > > > > > > > All honor to those who are in harm's way. > > > > > > > > /Robert Skinner > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 10:36:59 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 9 12:37:05 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050609163659.7375.qmail@web32912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wally, Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had a jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who was meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" with our chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot job interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his friend who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had been activated. She was home on medical leave because of a broken foot (not combat related). Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive progress is being made that isn't being reported by the MSM. The military is putting a great deal of efforts turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, soccer fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were happy we were there and more than happy that Saddam is gone, but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the bad guys are difficult to identify because people are scared to turn them in, not that the average Iraqi supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the cops if we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal activity. There, they and their family are killed if they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's but jihadists from other countries. It will continue to be a problem for some time. She felt good about her duty there and supported the war but expressed that morale was fading amongst the troops because of the long and extended deployments. I asked her specifically what her take was on WMD and she gave me this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you ever made a decision in the jet based on the information you had at the time and realized later there were other options? Bush made a decision on the intel he was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong". For the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her service and thought she and her unit were having a positive impact. Some people don't support the war because they just don't like war. Who does? Most of the non-supporters just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this thing and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi people for us to abandon them at this point. We did that once. We've had a huge military presence in the Middle East and Europe for a long time and now those assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a lameduck now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just as I have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker. No matter who the next President is (my current money is on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while. Brad --- Wally Buck wrote: > Ed, > > Thanks for changing the sugject line but my post was > not about "WMDs". > Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is not > Iraq". > > The funny thing is I have never questioned that Iraq > had "WMDs". I have > questioned what level of threat Iraq was to our > National Security and our > motives for attacking when we did. This is very hard > for many to understand. > > You are correct that the nukes were not in Cuba. I > apologize for the error. > The USSR was building the missle pads and facilities > to store and launch > Russian nukes in Cuba. The Soviets also had bombers > based in Cuba. There was > a real threat to our National Security. Also note > that this was settled with > out a war. This was my point. Not much to compare > with Iraq. > > I do understand that WMDs involve gas, biological, > and other means. I am > quite sure that stuff is missing as you say. This > problem is not limited to > Iraq. Again this was not the point of my post. The > situation in Cuba then > and Iraq now is quite different. To say differently > is to ignore history. > > Wally > > > >From: "ed kroposki" > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD > >Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:18:21 -0400 > > > >Wally, > > WMD's not only include nuc's but other things, > such as gas, bio, et > >al. The issue was preventing them getting nuc's, > not that they already had > >them. The same issue now next door in Iran. > Furthermore, nuclear is not > >limited to bomb explosives but also bomb results, > ie, dirty explosives that > >contaminate. > > There was a complaint issued by the U.N. > inspectors recently about > >missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone missing > since the start of the > >war. If there was not problem, why are the U.N. > inspectors complaining > >about missing nuclear stuff now? > > I really do not want to be stirring Steve up, but > your last comment > >was not accurate. Humpf. > > > >Ed K > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Wally Buck > >Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM > >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day > > > >Mark, > > > >Steve is forgetting that there were actually nukes > in Cuba and we had the > >pictures to prove it. To compare this to the > situation Iraq is simply not > >logical. Ignoring facts is a problem for some! > > > >Wally > > > > >From: "Mark Kaynor" > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > D-Day > > >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:08:04 -0400 > > > > > >Hey Steve, > > >Didn't you just love it when JFK had an affair > with Marilyn Monroe?:-) > > >Being unfaithful to his wife in the White > House!!! I have never heard of > > >such an abuse of power:-) Mark > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Steve > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:55 PM > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on > D-Day > > > > > >Hey Slim > > >Didn't you just love it when JFK nearly took us > to war over nukes in > > >Cuba:-) > > >Taking this country to war over something like > weapon of mass > > >distruction!!! > > >I have never heard of such an abuse of power:-) > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Steve wrote: > > > > > > > I was wondering if someone would notice > that:-) Steve > > > > > > > > PS- Slim - this is top secret so don't tell > anyone but there are a few > > > > Dems I like:-) > > > > > > > > --- Slim wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is not what the > > > > > > government can do for you but what you can > do > > > > for > > > > > your > > > > > > country and your fellow man!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > Those are (almost) the exact words of a > famous > > > > quote > > > > > by a famous Democrat > > > > > named John F. Kennedy. I believe it went > like > > > > this: > > > > > > > > > > "Osk (NE accent) not what your country can > do for you, but what you > > > > > can do for your country." > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? > > > > > www.rhodes22.org/list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Discover Yahoo! > > > > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online > and more. Check it out! > > > > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Discover Yahoo! > > >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news > and more. 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Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From flybrad at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 10:58:51 2005 From: flybrad at yahoo.com (brad haslett) Date: Thu Jun 9 12:58:55 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political - The war on Terrorism In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hank, Excellent essay! I couldn't agree more. This week I've endured two incredibly silly events as part of the 9/11 hangover. Monday I traveled to DC on US Airways and because it was a last minute, one-way fare I got picked for ultra security - shoes off, belt open, bags searched, pat down, wanded, etc. I guess there has been a rash of middle aged white males wearing pilot uniforms with airline ID's blowing up airlines. Yesterday, Air France had a chemical spill in front of their freight facility at Dulles. The hazmat team and airport security had the only exit from our facility blocked and our limo couldn't get past them to take us to the hotel. I called the Dulles airport authority to ask permission for our limo to drive through our building and around the cargo facility to another exit. Nope, can't be done, the limo doesn't have the paperwork. "Yea, but I'll be sitting right next to the driver". Nope, can't be done. "How about if one of our mx trucks escorts us?" Nope, can't be done. Finally one of our rampers, a "its easier to ask forgiveness than permission" kind of guy said "follow me". We left. There are so many empires being built since 9/11 its pathetic and yet, its non-PC to profile. Incredible. I really hadn't planned to go to gun-packing school but am now considering it so I can skip the silly airport security goat-rope. Brad --- Hank wrote: > The below essay is, unfortunately, not attributed. > I believe it > presents a very succinct argument for the war on > terrorism and > accurately portrays the predicament the US is in. > It does not assign > blame to liberals or conservatives and, I do not > believe it is biased > in either direction. I think it is very good food > for thought. Let > the discussion begin! > > Hank > > ******************************************************************** > > To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go > through it. Our > country is now facing the most serious threat to its > existence, as we > know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and > mine (which includes > WWII! ). > > The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the > fact that there > are very few of us who think we can possibly lose > this war and even > fewer who realize what losing really means. > > First, let's examine a few basics: > > 1. When did the threat to us start? > > Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as > far as the United > States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to > September 2001, with > the following attacks on us: > Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; > Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983; > Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; > Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988; > Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Kh! obar Towers Military > complex 1996; > Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 19 98; > Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; > Pentagon 2001. > > (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there > were 7,581 > terrorist attacks worldwide). > > 2. Why were we attacked? > > Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. > The attacks > happened during the administrations of Presidents > Carter, Reagan, Bush > 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the > Republicans or > Democrats as there were no provocation's by any of > the presidents or > their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or > Carter. > > 3. Who were the attackers? > > In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out > by Muslims. > > 4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25% > > > 5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful? > > Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is > no doubt that the > predominately Christian population of Germany was > peaceful, but under > the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also > Christian), that > made no difference. You either went along with the > administration or > you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million > Christians killed by > the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 > Polish priests). (see > http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm). > > Thus, almost the same number of Christians were > killed by the Nazis, > as the 6 million holocaust Jews who were killed by > them, and we seldom > heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. > Although Hitler > kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no > hesitancy about killing > anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews > or of taking over > the world - German, Christian or any others. > > Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the > world on the US, but > kill all in the way -- their own people or the > Spanish, French or > anyone else. The point here is that just like the > peaceful Germans > were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no > matter how many > peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no > protection for us from the > terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are > fanatically bent on doing > -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us > "infidels." I > don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do > if the choice was > shut up or die? > > 6. So who are we at war with? > > There is no way we can honestly respond that it is > anyone other than > the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically > correct and avoid > verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There > is no way to win > if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who > you are fighting. > > So with that background, now to the two major > questions: > > 1. Can we lose this war? > > 2. What does losing really mean? > > If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two > pivotal questions. > > We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as > it may sound, the > major reason we can lose is that so many of us > simply do not fathom > the answer to the second question - What does losing > mean? > > It would appear that a great many of us think that > losing the war > means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home > and going on about > our business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from > the truth as one > can get. What losing really means is: > > We would no longer be the premier country in the > world. The attacks > will not subside, but rather will steadily increase. > Remember, they > want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just > wanted us quiet, they > would not have produced an increasing series of > attacks against us, > over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly, for > terrorist to attack > us, until we were neutered and submissive to them. > > We would of course have no future support from other > nations, for fear > of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, > we are impotent > and cannot help them. > > They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one > at a! time. It > will be increasingly easier for them. They already > hold Spain hostage. > It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for > Spain to withdraw > its troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the > Muslim terrorists > bombed their train and told them to withdraw the > troops. Anything else > they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is > finished. > > The next will probably be France. Our one hope on > France is that they > might see the light and realize that if we don't > win, they are > finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim > terrorists without > us. However, it may already be too late for France. > France is already > 20% Muslim and fading fast! > > If we lose the war, our production, income, exports > and way of life > will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who > would trade or deal > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 9 15:04:29 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 9 15:04:36 2005 Subject: For Robert only Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on D-Day In-Reply-To: <20050609133542.81103.qmail@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All: This is why I changed my 'handle' to Slim. I don't want any confusion over the two Steves. On 6/9/05 8:35 AM, "Steve" wrote: > Robert > Since you bring up things that are "Thoroughly > Derserved"; then here is something Just for You. > > Your Liberal BS only show how Stupid you are. Yes I > said how STUPID you are. No matter what is said on > this list; your unwillingness to even try and > understand how the world work only show your lack of > brain capacity. War to help people that CANNOT help > themselfs IS JUST. And more than enough reason to go > to WAR. Looks at what is happening out in CA. > Liberal central for you liberals & what is this > country doing; we are going after them. It is always > better to fight a war on some other Country soil as > compared to fighting it on this country soil. > > You need to get over Vietnam. Yes liberal like you > caused this country to lose a War. That is nothing to > be proud of. You should be ashame of yourself it you > protested that war. This country had the capitality > to free those people & because of people like you; a > lot of vietamise people continue to have to live > without FREEDOM. Stop thinking of yourself as some > elite species. ALL people deserve to be free; NOT > JUST YOU. > > As for liberals like you who think the one thing that > government is to be used for is passing out WELFARE > checks; Let get one thing stright - Any SOB that sits > on his or her Ass & collect a WELFARE Check is a > worstless human being. THAT IS A FACT. They are not > a productive citizen, they are not helping this > country by doing that, AND they have NOTHING to be > proud of. > > Anybody that support allowing people to remain on > Welfare without a direct course of action to get off > Welfare; is doing that person a DIS-Service. If you > are going to achieve a state of mind where you enjoy > life and who you are; You got to get off you lazy ass > and go to work and earn your own living. > > I can only hope that your limited brain Capacity can > absorb the wealth of information I have provided you - > free of charge. I know that you probably expect a > Welfare check to come with this information but at > least I am not charging you for it:-) As you say > below; I could not resist the > invitation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always try > and help my fellow man!!! > Steve > > > > --- Robert Skinner wrote: > >> Rik Sandberg wrote: >>> >>> Snide Bob ...... just a little snide. >> >> Agreed. But also thoroughly deserved. >> I couldn't resist such an invitation... >> Consider it a way of suggesting silence. >> >> Patton also said, "Lead, follow, or get >> out of the way." >> >> As you correctly point out, there is too >> much empty talk about dying for our country >> from those with no flesh on the front lines. >> >> Apologies to those who may be offended by >> such a direct response. >> >> All honor to those who are in harm's way. >> >> /Robert Skinner >> __________________________________________________ >> Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? >> www.rhodes22.org/list >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ > Use Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list From joscook at msn.com Thu Jun 9 18:39:20 2005 From: joscook at msn.com (J Cook) Date: Thu Jun 9 17:39:26 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Favorite cruising areas References: <20050609165851.32303.qmail@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just wondering, what might be some ideas or favorite places for extended vacationing with the R22 that our list members may have. Maybe some favorite areas with good moorings, throwing in a nice B&B or hotel once in a while and some good restaurants. It's getting a little warm down here in Florida, and I was thinking about towing up a few degrees to the north. Joseph From salm at mn.rr.com Thu Jun 9 18:04:58 2005 From: salm at mn.rr.com (Slim) Date: Thu Jun 9 18:05:08 2005 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political - The war on Terrorism Message-ID: Hank and Brad, Although the article makes a few good points, wishing that all Americans unite is nothing but that--a wish. It'll never happen. We're too diverse in our cultures, religions, languages, races, incomes, ideologies, etc. to ever speak as one. But isn't that one of the best things about the US? Dissent is healthy. I'll never jump on W's bandwagon no matter how much fear-mongering rhetoric is thrown at me. Simply put, I just don't trust him. Nor do I think that unless we all join together, the country will implode and the terrorists win. That's giving them too much credit. They're not nearly that well organized. W would like us to believe that our nation, and even Freedom itself is in grave danger. I don't buy it. Consider the stability, economy, resources, and might of this country compared to that of the terrorists. They don't even have a country, much less a mighty one. Slim On 6/9/05 10:40 AM, "Hank" wrote: > The below essay is, unfortunately, not attributed. I believe it > presents a very succinct argument for the war on terrorism and > accurately portrays the predicament the US is in. It does not assign > blame to liberals or conservatives and, I do not believe it is biased > in either direction. I think it is very good food for thought. Let > the discussion begin! > > Hank > > ******************************************************************** > > To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our > country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we > know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes > WWII! ). > > The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there > are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even > fewer who realize what losing really means. > > First, let's examine a few basics: > > 1. When did the threat to us start? > > Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as far as the United > States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with > the following attacks on us: > Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; > Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983; > Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; > Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988; > Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Kh! obar Towers Military complex 1996; > Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 19 98; > Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; > Pentagon 2001. > > (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 > terrorist attacks worldwide). > > 2. Why were we attacked? > > Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks > happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush > 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or > Democrats as there were no provocation's by any of the presidents or > their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter. > > 3. Who were the attackers? > > In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims. > > 4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25% > > 5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful? > > Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the > predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under > the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that > made no difference. You either went along with the administration or > you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by > the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see > http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm). > > Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, > as the 6 million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom > heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler > kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing > anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over > the world - German, Christian or any others. > > Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but > kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or > anyone else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans > were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many > peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the > terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing > -- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I > don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was > shut up or die? > > 6. So who are we at war with? > > There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than > the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid > verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win > if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting. > > So with that background, now to the two major questions: > > 1. Can we lose this war? > > 2. What does losing really mean? > > If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions. > > We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the > major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom > the answer to the second question - What does losing mean? > > It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war > means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about > our business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one > can get. What losing really means is: > > We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks > will not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they > want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they > would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, > over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack > us, until we were neutered and submissive to them. > > We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear > of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent > and cannot help them. > > They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a! time. It > will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. > It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw > its troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists > bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else > they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished. > > The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they > might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are > finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without > us. However, it may already be too late for France. France is already > 20% Muslim and fading fast! > > If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life > will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal > with us, if they were threatened by the Muslims. > > If we can't stop the Muslims, how could anyone else? > > The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are > completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know! it too > and be likewise committed to winning at any cost. > > Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. > Until we recognize the costs o