[Rhodes22-list] Army Enlistment
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Fri Jun 10 13:04:31 EDT 2005
Philip,
When you have the time I would very much like to know the reasons you
would not counsel any young person to join the army, and what you think
the army could do to change your advice.
Bill Effros
Philip Esteban wrote:
>Brad,
> It is a good move to push the Air Force. After 31 years of both USMC
>and US Army service, I would not counsel any young person to join the Army
>(the reasons are too long to go into here). I do tell the kids if they are
>full of P*ss and Vinegar and want to Shoot, Move and Communicate, the USMC
>is their best prospect for training and esprit de corps, however; if they
>want a good tour, making the same money, in decent quarters and great
>training/education opportunities, the Air Force is the way to go. The Navy
>is ok, but you spend a lot of time on "floats". In the end, if you are
>injured or wounded, the Army tends to kick you to the kerb. You can
>ultimately get treated but you have to fight for it. The pat' answer is "go
>to the VA".
>
>Philip
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of brad haslett
>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:50 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on WMD
>
>
>Wally,
>
>First, you need to be a bit more PC. My 'boy' Ford?
>You would get a "nine" up your butt for saying that in
>this town. Unfortunately, Ford Junior seems to be a
>nice kid and is on track to be our next Senator if not
>something bigger down the road. Bad timing for him.
>His father was a crook, his uncle is going to jail for
>being a crook, but for the race card which will
>surely be played, just like it was for Harold, Senior.
> I'm not quite sure why Jr. wants to leave his secure
>congressional seat for the Senate, but hey, it's his
>life. The only Republican announced against him is
>that idiot that ran against Bredeson for governor.
>
>I do think Iraq is turning but it will be a "long row
>to hoe". My youngest son is still on the verge of
>enlisting. I'm pushing Navy and Air Force but we'll
>see. This is where the "rubber meets the road"
>between your political beliefs and reality.
>
>Brad
>
>
>
>--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Brad,
>>
>>My nephew emails me every month or so with updates
>>from Iraq. It does seem
>>we are making progress. In the end history will be
>>the judge.
>>
>>How about your boy Ford. It sure doesn't take much
>>to buy a TN politician.
>>:-0
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>
>>>
>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>>
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>
>>>
>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>>
>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply- not on
>>>
>>>
>>WMD
>>
>>
>>>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>>Wally,
>>>
>>>Yesterday I got the opportunity to "de-brief" a
>>>helicopter pilot just returned from Iraq. I had a
>>>jumpseater on my flight from DC to Memphis who was
>>>meeting a former co-worker for a "meet&greet" with
>>>
>>>
>>our
>>
>>
>>>chief pilot to get on the short list for a pilot
>>>
>>>
>>job
>>
>>
>>>interview. The jumpseater introduced me to his
>>>
>>>
>>friend
>>
>>
>>>who belonged to a Guard unit from NY that had been
>>>activated. She was home on medical leave because
>>>
>>>
>>of a
>>
>>
>>>broken foot (not combat related).
>>>
>>>Here was her take on Iraq. A lot of positive
>>>
>>>
>>progress
>>
>>
>>>is being made that isn't being reported by the MSM.
>>>The military is putting a great deal of efforts
>>>turning the Iraqi kids to our side, schools, soccer
>>>fields, etc. She felt most of the adults were
>>>
>>>
>>happy
>>
>>
>>>we were there and more than happy that Saddam is
>>>
>>>
>>gone,
>>
>>
>>>but, many are wary and cautious after 30 years of
>>>oppression. Insurgency is a huge problem and the
>>>
>>>
>>bad
>>
>>
>>>guys are difficult to identify because people are
>>>scared to turn them in, not that the average Iraqi
>>>supports the insurgents. Here, we'd call the cops
>>>
>>>
>>if
>>
>>
>>>we thought our neighbor was engaged in illegal
>>>activity. There, they and their family are killed
>>>
>>>
>>if
>>
>>
>>>they rat the bad guys out. Most are not Iraqi's
>>>
>>>
>>but
>>
>>
>>>jihadists from other countries. It will continue
>>>
>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>>be a problem for some time. She felt good about
>>>
>>>
>>her
>>
>>
>>>duty there and supported the war but expressed that
>>>morale was fading amongst the troops because of the
>>>long and extended deployments. I asked her
>>>specifically what her take was on WMD and she gave
>>>
>>>
>>me
>>
>>
>>>this question and answer. "Captain, haven't you
>>>
>>>
>>ever
>>
>>
>>>made a decision in the jet based on the information
>>>you had at the time and realized later there were
>>>other options? Bush made a decision on the intel he
>>>was given, the CIA and everybody got it wrong".
>>>
>>>
>>For
>>
>>
>>>the most part, she was upbeat and proud of her
>>>
>>>
>>service
>>
>>
>>>and thought she and her unit were having a positive
>>>impact.
>>>
>>>Some people don't support the war because they just
>>>don't like war. Who does? Most of the
>>>
>>>
>>non-supporters
>>
>>
>>>just hate W. Regardless, we're stuck with this
>>>
>>>
>>thing
>>
>>
>>>and it would be a horrible tragedy for the Iraqi
>>>people for us to abandon them at this point. We
>>>
>>>
>>did
>>
>>
>>>that once. We've had a huge military presence in
>>>
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>Middle East and Europe for a long time and now
>>>
>>>
>>those
>>
>>
>>>assets will continue to move to Iraq. W is a
>>>
>>>
>>lameduck
>>
>>
>>>now and I've lost interest in the WMD issue, just
>>>
>>>
>>as I
>>
>>
>>>have with where Slick Willy went with his pecker.
>>>
>>>
>>No
>>
>>
>>>matter who the next President is (my current money
>>>
>>>
>>is
>>
>>
>>>on Hillary) we're in this for a good long while.
>>>
>>>Brad
>>>
>>>--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ed,
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for changing the sugject line but my post
>>>>
>>>>
>>was
>>
>>
>>>>not about "WMDs".
>>>>Perhaps you should have changed it to "Cuba is
>>>>
>>>>
>>not
>>
>>
>>>>Iraq".
>>>>
>>>>The funny thing is I have never questioned that
>>>>
>>>>
>>Iraq
>>
>>
>>>>had "WMDs". I have
>>>>questioned what level of threat Iraq was to our
>>>>National Security and our
>>>>motives for attacking when we did. This is very
>>>>
>>>>
>>hard
>>
>>
>>>>for many to understand.
>>>>
>>>>You are correct that the nukes were not in Cuba.
>>>>
>>>>
>>I
>>
>>
>>>>apologize for the error.
>>>>The USSR was building the missle pads and
>>>>
>>>>
>>facilities
>>
>>
>>>>to store and launch
>>>>Russian nukes in Cuba. The Soviets also had
>>>>
>>>>
>>bombers
>>
>>
>>>>based in Cuba. There was
>>>>a real threat to our National Security. Also
>>>>
>>>>
>>note
>>
>>
>>>>that this was settled with
>>>>out a war. This was my point. Not much to
>>>>
>>>>
>>compare
>>
>>
>>>>with Iraq.
>>>>
>>>>I do understand that WMDs involve gas,
>>>>
>>>>
>>biological,
>>
>>
>>>>and other means. I am
>>>>quite sure that stuff is missing as you say.
>>>>
>>>>
>>This
>>
>>
>>>>problem is not limited to
>>>>Iraq. Again this was not the point of my post.
>>>>
>>>>
>>The
>>
>>
>>>>situation in Cuba then
>>>>and Iraq now is quite different. To say
>>>>
>>>>
>>differently
>>
>>
>>>>is to ignore history.
>>>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's reply on WMD
>>>>>Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:18:21 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>>Wally,
>>>>> WMD's not only include nuc's but other things,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>such as gas, bio, et
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>al. The issue was preventing them getting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>nuc's,
>>
>>
>>>>not that they already had
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>them. The same issue now next door in Iran.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Furthermore, nuclear is not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>limited to bomb explosives but also bomb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>results,
>>
>>
>>>>ie, dirty explosives that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>contaminate.
>>>>> There was a complaint issued by the U.N.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>inspectors recently about
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>missing nuclear stuff in Iraq that has gone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>missing
>>
>>
>>>>since the start of the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>war. If there was not problem, why are the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>U.N.
>>
>>
>>>>inspectors complaining
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>about missing nuclear stuff now?
>>>>> I really do not want to be stirring Steve up,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>but
>>
>>
>>>>your last comment
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>was not accurate. Humpf.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed K
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Behalf Of Wally Buck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:02 AM
>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sappy Comment on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>D-Day
>>
>>
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