[Rhodes22-list] Variations on a Theme

[Bill Effros]

Slim,

Next winter I would like to try to organize a list of evolving changes 
on the R-22--like the old VW Beetle ads.  People discuss how they do 
things on their boats without realizing Stan made changes over the 
years.  Maybe some of the earlier ideas are better than some of the 
later ones.

The guy with the boat in CT mentioned some twisting maneuver on the 
gooseneck of his non-IMF boom which he said works well.  I like the 
Spitzer furler better than the CDI.  The boat rails have changed many 
times--the ones I have are just great.  The centerboard lifting 
mechanism has changed.  The gudgeons change.  I have Stan's rudder 
clutch, and think it's the best way to go--if it's rigged properly and 
you know how to use it.

The block on my boom was never rigged properly from the factory, and 
I've always had trouble with it--I'm going to figure it out this year.  
Now that I've taken apart my IMF, and Stan told me how to put it back 
together, it will work better than ever before.  I'm going to add Stan's 
mast cleat.

I just took out my marine head and put in a plumbed Porto-Potty.  
Chlorinated fresh water flushing is a great improvement in the smell 
department.

etc.

Bill Effros



Slim wrote:

>>Ah ha!  There must be many versions of this equipment.
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>That's exactly right, Peter, and it's the reason why Bill and I and others
>have had difficulty coming up with a standardized procedure.  For ex, IIRC
>Rob Lowe uses his trailer winch instead of the GB crane.  Others lower the
>mast to the bow.  Your hand rail lines are something from the past although
>I don't know how far back.  Fandango is a 1990 and it came with the 8"
>extensions that are just a piece of aluminum with holes on each end--one for
>the turnbuckle and one for the chain plate.  But I've also seen an 8" length
>of chain used for the extensions.  The newer boats have a "bail" or "bale"
>(?) about six feet up the mast that's used to hook a line onto the crane
>instead of the shrouds.  That's better/faster still.
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>Slim
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> Raven does not have
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>>8" extensions, but she does have a mast stabilizing triangulation device,
>>basically two lines with clips, which are set on an extention of the mast
>>bolt line on the grab rails and extend up the mast about 6' on each side.
>>Since the triangulation in on the pivot line, they don't loosen as the mast
>>goes up.  However, they do add extra steps, to install and remove them.
>>Thanks.
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>>I still have the feeling I may be missing something.  What year is Fandango?
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>>PT
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>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Slim" <salm at mn.rr.com>
>>To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:56 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mast raising procedures
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>>>Peter,
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>>>The forward lowers should have the 8" extensions added and then connected
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>>to
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>>>their chain plates.  These help to prevent side sway in the mast as it's
>>>going up (or down)  As the mast gets higher, the upper shrouds take over
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>>>prevent the sway.  Both uppers and forward lowers combine to prevent the
>>>sway.  That leaves the aft lowers available to hook up to the crane.
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>>>I can see where your method (using the forward lowers to the crane) would
>>>certainly save some time, but it's not as safe.  I usually do this
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>>procedure
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>>>on the water, so any waves or rocking the boat would cause the mast to
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>>sway
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>>>from side to side, so I need to use the four shrouds to prevent that.
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>>>Hope this helps,
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>>>Slim
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>>>On 6/10/05 4:37 PM, "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com> wrote:
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>>>>Slim and Bill,
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>>>>Thanks for posting the mast procedures again.  Now that I've tried it a
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>>>>times, it makes a lot more sense and the reading is certainly a little
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>>>>interesting.  However I was surprised to read the part about connecting
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>>>>*aft* lowers to the mast crane.
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>>>>Raven doesn't seem to be set up that way.  On Raven, the forward lowers
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>>have
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>>>>fast-pins and all the other turnbuckles are fixed with ring-dings.  So,
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>>I
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>>>>connected the forward lowers to the crane and everything worked just
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>>fine -
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>>>>it's actually less work than you both describe.  The fast-pins speed the
>>>>connection from the crane hoist to the chainplates a little bit too.
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>>When I
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>>>>checked the rig tension with the Loos gauge everything was within specs,
>>>>except the forward lowers needed a little tightening as one might
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>>expect.
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>>>>I know I'm pretty lucky that Mark and the other previous owners took
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>>such
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>>>>thought and care in setting up Raven quite nicely.  But I still wonder
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>>if I'm
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>>>>missing something:  why do the instructions call for connecting the
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>>*aft*
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>>>>lowers to the crane?  To paraphrase Rumsfeld "I don't know what I don't
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>>know".
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>>>>Does it make a difference which lowers you use?
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>>>>Thanks,
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>>>>PT
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