[Rhodes22-list] Oops page

Bill Effros bill at effros.com
Mon Jun 13 16:11:56 EDT 2005


Oooh, Mark, What a page!  Thanks for posting--you sure can find them.  
I'll put up with a lot of silly politics on this list for the gems like 
this that sometimes come through.

Bill Effros

Mark Kaynor wrote:

> 
>Brad (and other pilots),
>
>I was stumbling around the web this afternoon, ran across this site, and
>thought of you - there are some pretty "interesting" aviation-related photos
>here:
>
>http://www.micom.net/oops/
>
>For instance:
>http://zeeb.at/oops/F8overshoot1.jpg
>
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:04 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage
>
>Thanks for taking the time, Bob.  Each of us will face a problem like this
>sometime, we just don't know when.
>
> From your description, it sounds like the best protection you got was from
>your anchor.  What type of anchor were you using?  How do you set it while
>your boat is in the slip?  Or do you set it first?
>
>I am on a mooring with a 300 Lb. mushroom anchor.  My boat has ridden out
>several storms, and some hurricanes--but not like yours.  All the boats in
>my cove (there are 100s of them, widely spaced) are on properly sized
>mushroom anchors and there is very little boat to boat damage during storms.
>My inclination is that my boat is safer on the water than it is on the land.
>
>Up here, people have special mushroom anchor setting boats.  The anchors are
>pulled periodically and all of the tackle inspected and replaced as
>necessary.  The anchors set solidly in the mucky bottom, and, for the most
>part, stay where they are set.  I have never set additional anchors in the
>face of approaching storms, in keeping with my "ain't broke-don't fix"
>philosophy.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>Robert Quinn wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Bill:  As always there are lessons learned.  Kathy and I were out of 
>>the area when the storms hit but we had done quite a bit before we 
>>departed the area in June, several months before the storms.  We have 
>>the boat nestled away in a canal not too far from our home behind a 
>>friend's home who rents the dock to us.  We had stripped the sails, 
>>bimini, stored the dinghy and dinghy motor in our garage, placed chaff 
>>guards, made sure that there was nothing lose around (other than the 
>>hatch covers).  We had made arrangements with friends to double the 
>>lines if anything came up. (We will do that ourselves this year before 
>>we leave for points north in July. The doubled lines should be 
>>attached to the pilings, not the dock or dock cleats as we pulled one 
>>out). Our friends also placed an anchor off the dock to keep the boat 
>>from "crashing" into the dock and dock pilings. This worked extremely 
>>well for the first storm (Francis).  The anchor was picked up and 
>>moved back to the side of the boat after the storm passed through.
>>Everything great thus far.  For Jeannine however, one of our friends 
>>was not in the area. The second fellow saw the line dangling over the 
>>side of the boat and assumed that the anchor was set.  It was not, so 
>>for Jeannine we "kissed" one of the dock pilings causing the rub rail 
>>to "shave" a couple of inches off of the piling.  The rub rail - 
>>stainless steel, bent but on the positive site the hull was not 
>>compromised.  In the process we lost a stanchion base (cracked/broke), 
>>the mid-ship chocks were loosened / stripped,  the coveline stripe was 
>>scraped off, additionally a nice scratch in the hull. Additionally, 
>>the standing rigging was stressed to the point that a spreader 
>>cracked.  The spreader had to be welded back together, all the 
>>standing rigging needed to be replaced, and all the running rigging 
>>was replaced. The rigging issue can to some extent be attributed to 
>>the age of the boat (1983) but on the same token I had it surveyed in
>>2003 and replaced the forestay, Genoa/jib furling drum and swivel.  
>>(Lesson learned:  Be sure the anchor is set to keep you off the dock!)
>>
>>All in all, a very stressful situation; however, we still have a 
>>sailboat! There were many, many that were complete write offs.  Our 
>>biggest issue was getting work done as there was just so much work out 
>>there that those in the boat repair business were forced to go to a 
>>first come, first served basis. We had to coordinate between the yard 
>>where the boat was hauled, bottom painted, and waxed, the rigging 
>>company (Mack Sails in Stuart, who did a great job), and the hull 
>>repair people in addition to lining up the parts. We also wound up 
>>doing some minor motor work - replaced all of the hoses and tuned her 
>>up. We also replaced the transmission and acceleration cables as they 
>>were "sticking" periodically (found that the cable housing was worn 
>>away at an attachment point).  There items that we wanted to do and 
>>the time was right.  We also took the opportunity to pull the hatches 
>>to replace the grommets (not a fun experience).
>>
>>Other than pulling the boat out of the water and putting her on the 
>>"hard," I'm not sure that there was much more that we could have done.  
>>Sad to say though that some of the boats that were on the "hard" 
>>suffered more extensive damage than we took.  In two nearby yards, 
>>boats were knocked off of their stands which created a domino effect - 
>>not a pretty site.  The yards are re-evaluating their options as well.  
>>One yard up in Melbourne was 100% successful with their system.  All 
>>of the boats on the hard survived as they also had tie down points 
>>(spider webbed) set into their concrete yard, similar to how aircraft 
>>are secured.  Many yards are trying to duplicate this system.  Other 
>>yards in Florida though are going out of business.  The ownership has 
>>found that they can sell their yards to development companies anxious 
>>to build condos overlooking the water.  This is a major concern of us 
>>boat owners.  The state is attempting to come up with some Marine 
>>Industry incentives to keep these yards from selling out.  The next 
>>couple of years, will indeed, be interesting.
>>
>>The biggest frustration was quite simply having to wait nearly seven 
>>months to get the boat re-commissioned so we could sail.  {:>)
>>
>>At this point we are considering our options for the 2005 hurricane 
>>season. Right now leaving the boat in the same place seems the best 
>>bet as the local yards are not yet ready to do the "spider web" trick 
>>done up in Melbourne. (The Melbourne, yard by the way, is pretty small 
>>and only had m/v housed on their property.)  We have a "qualified"
>>monitor to keep an eye on the boat this season, so we will cross our 
>>fingers that the good Lord and Neptune will spare Stuart and the rest 
>>of Florida from the devastation of 2004.
>>
>>Bob on the "NoKaOi"
>>
>>PS:  It was much easier to"drop the mast" on the R22, put her on her 
>>trailer, and tie her down in a safe area.  {:>)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:18 AM
>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Bob,
>>>
>>>What happened to your boat in the hurricanes?  Could you have done 
>>>anything differently to prevent the problem?  Are you doing anything 
>>>differently now?  Are there any general lessons to be learned?
>>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>Robert Quinn wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Wally's suggestion has a lot of merit.  We moved to a larger boat, a 
>>>>Tartan 37 keel/center boarder.  While we truly love her, the 
>>>>simplicity of the R22 is missed.  We "bareboated" in the Caribbean 
>>>>for ten years and did fall in love with the feel of the bigger boat 
>>>>with the ability to sail, swim, and snorkel ourselves to the point 
>>>>of exhaustion.  However, US waters do not provide as friendly an 
>>>>atmosphere.  The Keys are great when the weather cooperates; 
>>>>however, the Keys are a three day sail from our home port while the 
>>>>Caribbean is a two to three hour flight.
>>>>
>>>>We still have not made the Bahamas as last year's hurricanes 
>>>>necessitated repair work.  We re-commissioned in late April but the 
>>>>weather has not been very favorable in our neck of the woods 
>>>>recently - three weeks of rainy thunderstorms.  We did get a great 
>>>>sail from the St. Lucie inlet down to the Lake Worth Inlet for an 
>>>>overnighter three weeks ago.  We then came back up and spent the 
>>>>night on Peck's Lake, a little cut in the intercoastal.  It was fun 
>>>>as we sailed in the company of two other boats: a sister ship and an 
>>>>IP28.
>>>>
>>>>For simple day sailing though, the R22 is tops. Our plan is to move 
>>>>back to the R22 when we feel the T37 becomes too hard to handle.
>>>>
>>>>Bob on the "NoKaOi"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck" 
>>>><tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM
>>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for 
>>>>>the next few years at least.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wally
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "J Cook" <joscook at msn.com>
>>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats
>>>>>>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know some of the list members have larger boats.  My wife has us 
>>>>>>seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get 
>>>>>>too excited.  I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and 
>>>>>>ease of maintenance and storage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts 
>>>>>>on some of the newer boats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal 
>>>>>>keel, and solidly constructed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>She'd prefer  more of a  floating condominium that could 
>>>>>>comfortably sleep another couple for a weekend and go to the 
>>>>>>islands for several months at a time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I would be just fine with keeping my R22.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any suggestions on compromise here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joseph
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