[Rhodes22-list] Oops page

[brad haslett]

Mark,

Thanks for the photos.  I was busy when I got in this
afternoon and just now had time to go through the
whole file.  Lots of interesting stuff - I'll pass
them around.  I was suprised at the number that I had
some first hand knowledge about.

The fellow who helped me get my boat out of the mud a
few weeks ago was president of our union when our
MD-11 flipped upside down in EWR (one of the photos). 
The airport authority was in such a hurry to move the
debris off the runway to re-open the airport that the
wing root was hauled off to the dump and never
recovered.  Another of the photos was of a Mandarin
MD-11 that crashed one day before the NTSB report came
out on ours.  There is still some controversy on the
final report.  Somedays a hero, somedays a goat.

The joke that was going around about our DC10 (file
photo) that ended up on its ass in LAX was that the
Captain dropped his wallet out the window.  I was in
Frankfurt, Germany a few days later and got into a
pissing contest with one of our people about not
tethering the nosewheel during the loading process. 
That is exactly what happened with our 10 and also the
Korean MD11 that was also in the file.  (Korean Air is
affectionately known in the industry as the "Gooks of
Hazzard" even though about half their pilots are
Americans).

The "Saab in the Ditch" happened here in Memphis.  I
taxied by it about an hour after it happened.  Some
kid on the night shift didn't set the brakes or chock
the aircraft.  That drainage ditch separates the
Airlink facility from our primary maintenance hanger. 
It is really, really deep.

The C141 with the broken wing happened here in Memphis
as well.  It had been in maintenance and for whatever
reason, some baffles between wing tanks were closed. 
All the fuel went in the outboard tanks until the wing
broke off.  It sat on the ramp like that for over a
month.  The Guard guys I work with took a lot of grief
over that one.

One of my favorites wasn't in the file.  We put an
MD11 in the Pacific a few years back at Subic Bay.  I
had an unpleasant encounter with the FO a few years
earlier.  A couple of years ago Fan and I bought a new
piano for Christmas and it came with two free tunings.
 When I called for the first tuning they ran a name by
me.  "That name sounds familiar, did she used to fly
for X?"  It was she.  "No thanks, who else do you
have."

The joke in the profession is that we have the
toughest pilots around.  You can't stab us (94
hijacking), you can't burn us (95 fire), you can't
crush us (EWR), you can't drown us (Subic).  Which
reminds me, I have training Thursday and Friday and
have to relive all this crap.

Brad

--- Mark Kaynor <mkaynor at gmail.com> wrote:

>  
> Brad (and other pilots),
> 
> I was stumbling around the web this afternoon, ran
> across this site, and
> thought of you - there are some pretty "interesting"
> aviation-related photos
> here:
> 
> http://www.micom.net/oops/
> 
> For instance:
> http://zeeb.at/oops/F8overshoot1.jpg
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Bill Effros
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:04 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage
> 
> Thanks for taking the time, Bob.  Each of us will
> face a problem like this
> sometime, we just don't know when.
> 
>  From your description, it sounds like the best
> protection you got was from
> your anchor.  What type of anchor were you using? 
> How do you set it while
> your boat is in the slip?  Or do you set it first?
> 
> I am on a mooring with a 300 Lb. mushroom anchor. 
> My boat has ridden out
> several storms, and some hurricanes--but not like
> yours.  All the boats in
> my cove (there are 100s of them, widely spaced) are
> on properly sized
> mushroom anchors and there is very little boat to
> boat damage during storms.
> My inclination is that my boat is safer on the water
> than it is on the land.
> 
> Up here, people have special mushroom anchor setting
> boats.  The anchors are
> pulled periodically and all of the tackle inspected
> and replaced as
> necessary.  The anchors set solidly in the mucky
> bottom, and, for the most
> part, stay where they are set.  I have never set
> additional anchors in the
> face of approaching storms, in keeping with my
> "ain't broke-don't fix"
> philosophy.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> Robert Quinn wrote:
> 
> > Bill:  As always there are lessons learned.  Kathy
> and I were out of 
> > the area when the storms hit but we had done quite
> a bit before we 
> > departed the area in June, several months before
> the storms.  We have 
> > the boat nestled away in a canal not too far from
> our home behind a 
> > friend's home who rents the dock to us.  We had
> stripped the sails, 
> > bimini, stored the dinghy and dinghy motor in our
> garage, placed chaff 
> > guards, made sure that there was nothing lose
> around (other than the 
> > hatch covers).  We had made arrangements with
> friends to double the 
> > lines if anything came up. (We will do that
> ourselves this year before 
> > we leave for points north in July. The doubled
> lines should be 
> > attached to the pilings, not the dock or dock
> cleats as we pulled one 
> > out). Our friends also placed an anchor off the
> dock to keep the boat 
> > from "crashing" into the dock and dock pilings.
> This worked extremely 
> > well for the first storm (Francis).  The anchor
> was picked up and 
> > moved back to the side of the boat after the storm
> passed through.
> > Everything great thus far.  For Jeannine however,
> one of our friends 
> > was not in the area. The second fellow saw the
> line dangling over the 
> > side of the boat and assumed that the anchor was
> set.  It was not, so 
> > for Jeannine we "kissed" one of the dock pilings
> causing the rub rail 
> > to "shave" a couple of inches off of the piling. 
> The rub rail - 
> > stainless steel, bent but on the positive site the
> hull was not 
> > compromised.  In the process we lost a stanchion
> base (cracked/broke), 
> > the mid-ship chocks were loosened / stripped,  the
> coveline stripe was 
> > scraped off, additionally a nice scratch in the
> hull. Additionally, 
> > the standing rigging was stressed to the point
> that a spreader 
> > cracked.  The spreader had to be welded back
> together, all the 
> > standing rigging needed to be replaced, and all
> the running rigging 
> > was replaced. The rigging issue can to some extent
> be attributed to 
> > the age of the boat (1983) but on the same token I
> had it surveyed in
> > 2003 and replaced the forestay, Genoa/jib furling
> drum and swivel.  
> > (Lesson learned:  Be sure the anchor is set to
> keep you off the dock!)
> >
> > All in all, a very stressful situation; however,
> we still have a 
> > sailboat! There were many, many that were complete
> write offs.  Our 
> > biggest issue was getting work done as there was
> just so much work out 
> > there that those in the boat repair business were
> forced to go to a 
> > first come, first served basis. We had to
> coordinate between the yard 
> > where the boat was hauled, bottom painted, and
> waxed, the rigging 
> > company (Mack Sails in Stuart, who did a great
> job), and the hull 
> > repair people in addition to lining up the parts.
> We also wound up 
> > doing some minor motor work - replaced all of the
> hoses and tuned her 
> > up. We also replaced the transmission and
> acceleration cables as they 
> > were "sticking" periodically (found that the cable
> housing was worn 
> > away at an attachment point).  There items that we
> wanted to do and 
> > the time was right.  We also took the opportunity
> to pull the hatches 
> > to replace the grommets (not a fun experience).
> >
> > Other than pulling the boat out of the water and
> putting her on the 
> > "hard," I'm not sure that there was much more that
> we could have done.  
> > Sad to say though that some of the boats that were
> on the "hard" 
> > suffered more extensive damage than we took.  In
> two nearby yards, 
> > boats were knocked off of their stands which
> created a domino effect - 
> > not a pretty site.  The yards are re-evaluating
> their options as well.  
> > One yard up in Melbourne was 100% successful with
> their system.  All 
> > of the boats on the hard survived as they also had
> tie down points 
> > (spider webbed) set into their concrete yard,
> similar to how aircraft 
> > are secured.  Many yards are trying to duplicate
> this system.  Other 
> > yards in Florida though are going out of business.
>  The ownership has 
> > found that they can sell their yards to
> development companies anxious 
> > to build condos overlooking the water.  This is a
> major concern of us 
> > boat owners.  The state is attempting to come up
> with some Marine 
> > Industry incentives to keep these yards from
> selling out.  The next 
> > couple of years, will indeed, be interesting.
> >
> > The biggest frustration was quite simply having to
> wait nearly seven 
> > months to get the boat re-commissioned so we could
> sail.  {:>)
> >
> > At this point we are considering our options for
> the 2005 hurricane 
> > season. Right now leaving the boat in the same
> place seems the best 
> > bet as the local yards are not yet ready to do the
> "spider web" trick 
> > done up in Melbourne. (The Melbourne, yard by the
> way, is pretty small 
> > and only had m/v housed on their property.)  We
> have a "qualified"
> > monitor to keep an eye on the boat this season, so
> we will cross our 
> 
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