[Rhodes22-list] Red, Right, Returning

[Bill Effros]

Hank,

Bill W. got this right in his reply.  The markers are strung out, and 
you've got to know which side to pass on.  Everyone knows the rules in 
their own waters, it's when you're away from home that the troubles start.

In my local harbor, Nun 2 sits astride rocks.  The buoy wanders from 
year to year.  The channel silts in over the years.  The tidal variation 
is at least 7 feet.  Local guys, high tide, you can cut well to the 
right of Nun 2 and save 5 minutes getting into the harbor.  Low tide 
you'd better put that Nun 15 feet to the right of your boat coming in or 
you can hit rocks in a Rhodes. 

I no longer use my local knowledge on this because I'm afraid someone 
will follow me in on high tide and then get hurt trying to reverse 
course 6 hours later.  This particular group of rocks is never above the 
surface of the water.

Bill Effros


Hank wrote:

>I'm a little confused.  If you have markers on either side of you,
>whether they be red/right - green/left or vice versa, aren't you in
>the channel?  If you are outside the channel you will have both
>markers on one side.  So if Bill W had markers on either side, how did
>he run aground?
>
>Hank
>
>On 6/22/05, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
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>>Have we ever talked about this?
>>
>>Most of us know the Red, Right, Returning Rule--but we can forget what
>>it means, or not know that it is not universal.
>>
>>We learn the rules for our home waters, but forget how to apply them
>>when we have a lot of other things going on.
>>
>>Channels that run parallel to the mainland usually have red on the
>>mainland side, but if they fork off to sea, that can switch mid course.
>>Also, how you apply the rules changes, depending on which side of (for
>>instance) Florida you are sailing, with regard to where you keep the red
>>marker when sailing south.  The rule for Intracoastal Channels is
>>actually "Red, Right, Clockwise--New England to Texas".
>>
>>Watch the numbers on markers.  They increase as you approach the harbor,
>>which is how you can know if you are "returning", and which rule is
>>meant to apply.  Looking at charts before looking at markers can be
>>quite helpful.
>>
>>Please note, also, that in many parts of the world the rule is "Green,
>>Right, Returning".
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>William E. Wickman wrote:
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>>>I didn't take any pictures traveling up Core Sound until that night once we
>>>got anchored.  I was in survival mode and picture taking was the last thing
>>>on my mind.  I didn't see any good anchorages along Core Sound past
>>>Atlantic.  The charts looked like there might be something south, but my
>>>steerage was really bad at the time and with the deteriorating weather and
>>>waves, I didn't want to venture out of the channel at all.  The cut before
>>>Cedar Island is pretty well marked, but I was surprised that the waves were
>>>almost as rough as Core Sound even though there was a land mass blocking
>>>the long fetch that existed in the Sound.  I think the high winds resulted
>>>in any open water area being rough.  In calmer weather, navigation would be
>>>a walk in the park.  The bridge was a new high rise with plenty of
>>>clearance.  The final cut over to West Bay was very narrow and VERY shallow
>>>at the edges.  You really have to stay in the channel through this stretch,
>>>even with a 20" draft.  I made the mental mistake of passing the green
>>>markers to port and red to starboard through the entire channel; or at
>>>least until I ran aground north of the bridge.  The channel markers change
>>>over once you pass under the bridge to where you should pass with the green
>>>to starboard.  I don't know why they did that , but the mistake cost me
>>>some anxious moments of getting unstuck while the wind blasted the boat
>>>further onto the shoal and the weather called for lightening and gusts up
>>>to 60 mph later that evening.  After getting unstuck, there was some really
>>>nice anchorage past the cut.  It is all wildlife refuge so there is
>>>absolutely no development for miles around.  It is mostly marshland and
>>>really quite beautiful.  We rode out the storm nicely there.
>>>
>>>Bill W.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>Bill:
>>>
>>>Fantastic, your sunset scene will now replace Peter's!
>>>
>>>Furthermore, maybe those shots will entice some other Rhodies to the area.
>>>
>>>Are you hiding anymore?  Did you take any shots while motoring up the
>>>channel by Atlantic and Davis?  Did you see any moorings in those areas.
>>>How was the trip in the cut before Cedar Island?  Was there a draw bridge
>>>involved?  Or is that where they put that new high rise bridge?
>>>
>>>Whose boat has the line controlled tiller tamer?  I think that might be in
>>>order for taking pictures.  I do not have the autopilot.
>>>
>>>Ed K
>>>Greenville, SC, USA
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