[Rhodes22-list] Anchors
Wally Buck
tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Tue Jun 28 10:38:05 EDT 2005
It wasn't me who used the milk jug. I was hammered for using no chain in my
local waters.
Wally
>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
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>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors
>Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:58:21 -0400
>
>Bill,
>
>Nobody is the expert. These are things we each try, and report back to
>each other what works. Your experience with the Fortress validates my
>experiences in less extreme situations, and I am grateful for your input.
>
>This list went through a period of recommending bigger and bigger
>multi-hundred dollar anchors that nobody ever used because they would not
>fit on the boat and could not be disassembled.
>
>Wally (I think it was) almost got hooted off the list when he said he used
>a milk jug full of sand (or something like that) with an empty milk jug as
>a buoy on the other end to mark his place and staked out good moorings
>early in the day, sailed all day, then returned to his spot and picked up
>his line. What did he have to lose? 2 empty milk jugs?
>
>That seemed a much better solution to me! It worked. People don't steal
>milk jugs full of sand. If you use this idea only to reserve a good
>anchoring spot early in the day it's a good idea.
>
>And so it goes.
>
>People who say mushroom anchors don't have holding power don't know what
>they are talking about. My boat is permanently anchored on a 300 lb.
>mushroom anchor, as are all the other boats in the harbor. 2:1 scope at a
>maximum. 32 foot maximum length. As noted in the hurricane discussion,
>there are hundreds of boats and they never drag into each other, even
>during hurricanes.
>
>Last weekend I saw a big power boat grab my neighbor's mooring when the
>tide was roughly 4 feet above low tide. He could barely get the eye of the
>mooring line around his cleat. His scope was 1:1. After lunch he couldn't
>remove the line from his cleat. It was pulling his bow into the water with
>a force in excess of 300 pounds. He could have cut it, but he wasn't
>likely to do so with me watching. He waited for low tide, and maybe he
>learned something. (Probably not.)
>
>A jug of sand is all you need for a lunch hook most of the time. A vinyl
>covered mushroom anchor will do just fine if you want to get fancy. A
>shaped anchor with hooks or plows can be lighter than a jug of sand,
>provided you know how to set it properly. The same is true of shaped
>mushroom anchors.
>
>Multiple anchors are better than counting on a single anchor resetting.
>
>Where I live you will always get a 180 degree current shift while you are
>asleep.
>
>This summer's project is devoted to finding out how little anchor you
>really need. I already know you don't need chain--again, I think it was
>Wally who first made this observation, and again to much derision. He was
>the guy who actually anchored all the time. Everyone else was reading
>magazines all winter. It should come as no surprise that he was right.
>Try it.
>
>When you are just playing, as I will be this summer, you can throw
>anything into the water and see what works. If you drift, there is no harm
>done, and you take care of it. But if you don't drift, and you greatly
>simplify every aspect of anchoring, you will be much more likely to anchor
>more often, and to know you are safely anchoring every time.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>
>
>
>
>
>William E. Wickman wrote:
>
>>Bill E.,
>>Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've got
>>two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on my
>>last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its
>>performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so
>>please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever
>>used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they
>>don't
>>have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a
>>lunch
>>hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you recommend?
>>
>>Bill W.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>Slim,
>>
>>Rummy doesn't know me.
>>
>>Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in
>>the Laz.)
>>
>>I can get to the ones under the seat fastest.
>>
>>I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port
>>seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on
>>this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts,
>>inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of
>>different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm
>>experimenting this summer.
>>
>>I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute.
>>The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew
>>to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot.
>>
>>The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot
>>escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never
>>escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the
>>Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no
>>exposed anchor tines.
>>
>>I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor
>>from the stern most of the time because I am lazy.
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Slimmy,
>>>I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that
>>>sucker
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat. I
>>>
>>>
>>keep
>>
>>
>>>a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few other
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette.
>>>I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes
>>>
>>>
>>out
>>
>>
>>>by accident.
>>>I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the knots
>>>
>>>
>>in
>>
>>
>>>the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise.
>>>You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the
>>>
>>>
>>heat
>>
>>
>>>pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two
>>>
>>>
>>days
>>
>>
>>>before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's
>>>repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to
>>>
>>>
>>tough it out
>>
>>
>>>and drink more cooling liquids.
>>>
>>>Rummy
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