[Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
Steve Alm
salm at mn.rr.com
Sun Mar 6 15:39:26 EST 2005
Bill,
Great topic. Have you ever tried using two anchors on one line? The
primary anchor is at the end and a secondary, lighter one is where chain
meets rode. I haven't tried it but supposedly, this allows you to use much
less scope than 7:1, or helps hold the chain down in a bigger blow. I would
also think it would help to reset the primary anchor should you swing around
to another direction.
Slim
On 3/6/05 2:56 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> I intended to spend a lot of time last summer working on anchoring, but
> didn't spend enough time on my boat to do any of it.
>
> My boat is on a mooring--which is another way of saying it is
> permanently on anchor. That anchor weighs 300 pounds, is mushroom
> shaped, and was professionally set under the mud. Were you on the list
> when I described rowing out to my boat and finding the stern 5 feet
> above the water, 250 yards from where I last left it? No harm done to
> my boat, but it let me know that even the biggest imaginable anchor
> could drift under certain circumstances that sometimes happen.
>
> On the other hand, I rarely take my boat out of the water before
> November 15 (yes the water is still reasonably warm enough at that time)
> so my boat has been on anchor through many hurricanes without any
> drifting or damage at all. I feel my boat is safer in the water pretty
> much by itself, than lined up like dominoes on land with the rest of the
> boats.
>
> In addition to the standard issue R-22 anchor (which is still as pretty
> as the day it left Stan's plant because it has never been in the water)
> I have an 11 lb. Fortress which I keep assembled under the port seat. A
> 7 lb. Fortress which I keep unassembled in the Lazarette. A 15 lb.
> vinyl covered mushroom sometimes called "bullet" anchor, inverted in the
> forward cowling opening above the anchor rode drawer, attached to 300
> feet of line and 20 feet of chain with a snap fitting that can easily be
> moved from one anchor to another. Additional line and chain under the
> 11 lb. Fortress in the cockpit. Additional line and chain in a bucket
> in the lazarette. Polypropylene line and a small float attached to a
> small vinyl covered grapnel anchor in a nylon case in the lazarette. A
> 1 1/2 lb.; 3 lb; and 5 lb folding grapnel anchor. A corkscrew type
> "land anchor". Another 15 lb. vinyl anchor--can be used as a paper
> weight, sentinel, or rail meat when sailing light handed. I know that's
> more than 7--I probably have even more than that, but I can't keep track.
>
> The smallest anchor is sufficient much of the time. I generally stern
> anchor because that's the easiest. If I start to drift I can see it,
> and adjust, or not. Most of the time I would just as soon heave to,
> which is a very comfortable way to eat lunch or loaf if you can maintain
> a watch.
>
> I anchor from both the eyes and the cleats. There is no chafe issue
> when eye-anchoring. I don't like anchor chocks.
>
> You can set anchors fore and aft to keep your boat from swinging or the
> anchor from resetting. In Long Island Sound the tide is going to shift
> 180 degrees overnight.
>
> You can set anchors 180 degrees apart and attach both to the bow eye,
> allowing your boat to swing with the tide, but not move from where you
> left it. You can do the same thing on your stern cleats.
>
> You can set an anchor off shore, and then back the boat to an island so
> that you can almost stand on land with the ladder down. Take the land
> anchor auger and turn it into the beach sand. Attach the auger to a
> line attached to the stern. Let the boat go back out to deeper water so
> you won't be grounded when the tide goes out (we have a 9 foot tidal
> variation) and can still pull the boat back in when you are ready to get
> back on board. Variation--tie a line to a tree.
>
> Everyone says you should have 7:1 scope, but when they start anchoring,
> there isn't enough room for everyone so they all start short scoping,
> and you can't do anything different or you're going to smack into
> someone. I like to sail late, so I come into anchorages late after all
> the good spots are taken. I know how to anchor both deeper and
> shallower than most people.
>
> Now I'll add kedging to my bag of tricks. Never thought I'd need it,
> and of course, it's a lot less critical on a shoal draft boat, but there
> it is.
>
> Let me know what you try, how it works, and any pointers. It's getting
> harder and harder to find people who really know how to anchor--everyone
> just wants to pick up a mooring. I'll let you know how I do.
>
> Bill Effros
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> Peter Thorn wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> That's interesting and thoughtful. Would you mind explaining in a little
>> more detail what anchors you carry and specifically what each is used for?
>> My knowledge of anchors ends pretty much at night hook and lunch hook.
>>
>> PT
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Kedging
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Brad,
>>>
>>> That had something to do with my "water temperature" question of last
>>> week. I have stopped sailing in water so cold that it can kill me if I
>>> wind up in it. It's just not worth the risk. You can kedge with the
>>> proper anchor and a life vest if you can get into and out of the water
>>> without killing yourself. I gather from last week's replies that your
>>> water is borderline for possibly killing you. Remember, that if you
>>> start to suffer from hypothermia, you can die even if you can get back
>>> to your boat and get warm dry clothes. Again, not worth the risk.
>>>
>>> If you can get into the water without risk of dying, you secure the
>>> kedging anchor to a life vest and swim it out. Then you set it, and
>>> see if you can pull the boat toward the anchor.
>>>
>>> I don't think you were on the list when I mentioned that I am currently
>>> carrying 7 anchors and trying to learn to use them. They are all
>>> different types and sizes, all smaller than the standard issue R-22
>>> anchor. Everyone sizes their anchor for a huge storm on a much larger
>>> boat--just to be on the safe side. Then they never learn to set these
>>> anchors, or don't regularly carry them because they are simply too big
>>> to use on our little boats.
>>>
>>> I have found that tiny anchors are more than sufficient for most
>>> situations, and that they can be so small that a 10 year old can set and
>>> retrieve them without hurting the boat. Used in combination, these
>>> small anchors can match the holding power of much larger anchors. Set
>>> in different locations, they can obviate the risk of drifting, or the
>>> necessity for an anchor that can reliably reset.
>>>
>>> Small kedging anchors can be thrown far enough to start the boat
>>> heeling, and if you have more than one, they can be "walked" from one to
>>> the next by throwing them further out as the boat heels more and more.
>>> I've never tried this--I just read it. I do try different anchoring
>>> techniques to try to learn about them when I'm not in trouble. It's
>>> kind of fun, and I find it interesting.
>>>
>>> I saw the attached note recently and thought of you.
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>> brad haslett wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> As we were passing the time whilst freezing our arses
>>>> off Friday night, we dug through the ships library for
>>>> ideas and that one was discussed. One problem; we
>>>> didn't have the dink with us. I tried throwing the
>>>> anchor over the side the next morning but couldn't get
>>>> the distance required for the leverage needed. When
>>>> my friend showed up we started with brute force and
>>>> were "that close" several times. Knowing what I know
>>>> now, I'll go for the kedging first thing, AND, I'm
>>>> taking the dink with me on our Spring trip in a few
>>>> weeks.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>
>>>>> The technique is called "kedging" and can be
>>>>> performed with a dinghy and
>>>>> an anchor. It works better with an anchor built for
>>>>> kedging because the
>>>>> pull on the anchor line is in a direction that is
>>>>> designed to release
>>>>> most of the anchors we tend to carry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>> brad haslett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The wind on Friday was awesome! 15-20 mph with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> gusts
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> to 30. I had the CoraShen indicating 9 knots when
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> max hull speed is supposed to be about 7.5. My
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> older
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> brother was on his first sail and was as excited as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> little kid. We came up on a part of the river I'm
>>>>>> pretty familiar with and decided to swing wide
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> rather
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> than tack because we were going fast and having too
>>>>>> much fun. THEN, I made the shortest landing in my
>>>>>> career. We went from 9 knots to 0 knots in about
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> 10
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> feet. It wasn't a jolt, we just quit moving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> About
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> two seconds later the depth alarm went off, real
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> good
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> timing. What we had after that was a sailing
>>>>>> simulator. You could do anything you wanted with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> sails, engine, etc. because the boat wasn't going
>>>>>> anywhere. As the sun started down we lost the wind
>>>>>> and the will to solve our prediciment. I made some
>>>>>> calls on both the radio and cell-phone but couldn't
>>>>>> raise anyone for help. So, we spent the night on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> boat. It got down to the low 40's and I didn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> find
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the blanket I knew was on the boat until the next
>>>>>> morning. Anyway, I was able to get ahold of a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> friend
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> of mine that lives on the lake Saturday morning and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> he
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> showed up with his pontoon boat with a 115hp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> engine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We towed the bow, the stern, clockwise,
>>>>>> counter-clockwise, but didn't move the boat. We
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> were
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> only 5 feet from deep water but couldn't get there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally we tied the halyard to the side rail and
>>>>>> started towing from the top of the mast. After the
>>>>>> boat was heeled about 45 degrees it started
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> floating
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and we drug it sideways to deeper water. Hopefully
>>>>>> this will be my only grounding for the season but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> if
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> it happens again, I'll pull that solution out of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> trick-bag first. By 11 am Saturday we were free
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> sailed back to the dock. I was so tired from the
>>>>>> experience I didn't feel like doing any work on the
>>>>>> boat. Oh well, that's a good excuse to go back to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> lake later in the week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad Haslett
>>>>>> "CoraShen"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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