[Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war

Tue May 24 11:22:05 EDT 2005

Don't forget that Dick had is legal problems for fiddling with the system.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war

> “After months of lies, the president has given
> millions of people around the world reason to
> doubt that he has sent Americans into battle for
> the right reasons.”
>
>
> Representative Dick Armey, Texas (R)
> House Majority Leader
> December 16, 1998
>
> stan wrote:
>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> You must be referring to Clinton helping out in Serbia et al when the 
>> Republicans were all for not doing anything about the ethnic cleansing 
>> and also got pissed off when Clinton refused to do it without NATO and 
>> without losing any American lives. Pretty ugly record.
>>
>> You are right though, as a pinko bleeding heart liberal, I should be 
>> sending GB profits to help George out with his unplanned mess but 
>> unfortunately GBI also didn't plan ahead and turned out to be a non 
>> profit organization.
>>
>> but love hearing from you and getting the broader perspective - even if I 
>> am getting too old to change.
>>
>> stan
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>>
>>
>>> Stan
>>> Maybe some people just Recognize the need to help
>>> people out when they are being murbered, raped,
>>> sprayed with chemical weapons, etc.
>>>
>>> I support the war & any war that helps make people
>>> free.
>>>
>>> Based on the comment you made about me below, since
>>> you are for the terrorists, why don't YOU just go over
>>> there and fight with the terrorists:-) See Stan,
>>> comments like this are stupid, they make no sense.
>>> When you are the big dog on the plantet; this country
>>> has to help people that can't help themselves. I know
>>> liberals only think about themselves and thier welfare
>>> programs; BUT there are more important things to spend
>>> money on than lazy Americans who won't work for a
>>> living. Now if the liberals really wanted to do
>>> someting for thier fellow man; then they would give up
>>> all earthly possessions to the government:-) Are you
>>> going to donate your business Stan???????????? Do it
>>> for the children!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> --- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> thanks for the rare sharing, Rummy.
>>>>
>>>> Still waiting for Steve and friends to back up their
>>>> bravado with enlisting
>>>> or Bush to let his daughters sign up. Maybe war is
>>>> exciting and glamorous
>>>> for some who stay home and hire others - but if it
>>>> really, really, really is
>>>> the right thing to do, as several on the List seem
>>>> to think, then it should
>>>> also be the right thing to declare war, have a fair
>>>> draft for those asked to
>>>> serve and rationing for the fully committed home
>>>> front. I for one would
>>>> never allow my kids to be taken for any half hearted
>>>> venture where the
>>>> politically correct back up is tax cutting and
>>>> magnetic symbols.
>>>>
>>>> stan, WW11
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Herb and all,
>>>> >
>>>> > Neither the body count or the number in country
>>>> had anything to do with
>>>> > our
>>>> > commitment or lack thereof in Vietnam. When a
>>>> soldier is being fired upon
>>>> > and
>>>> > has to radio for permission to return fire, that's
>>>> a lack of commitment.
>>>> > Remember, we didn't have cell phones in those days
>>>> and military radio's,
>>>> > as good
>>>> > as they were, often couldn't contact anyone. I was
>>>> with an armored unit
>>>> > in I
>>>> > Corps (DMZ area) from 1970 to 1971 and saw a lot
>>>> of strange stuff, but
>>>> > having to ask for permission to return fire is the
>>>> one thing that really
>>>> > burned my
>>>> > butt. Sometimes we just didn't ask for permission
>>>> and pleaded no radio
>>>> > contact when questioned after the fact. It was
>>>> easier and saved our butts
>>>> > on many
>>>> > an occasion.
>>>> > The one thing that concerns me when these
>>>> discussions come up on the list
>>>> > is
>>>> > that I doubt that many people on either side of
>>>> the issue know what
>>>> > happens
>>>> > to the human body when it is hit with a fifty
>>>> caliber round or a grenade.
>>>> > Or,
>>>> > when a RPG hits a tank and burns through the
>>>> armament and blows up inside
>>>> > the
>>>> > tank turning those bodies into chipped beef. War
>>>> isn't pretty people. Part
>>>> > of my duties while in Vietnam were to identify
>>>> bodies at the morgue when
>>>> > they
>>>> > were brought in from the field. I still have
>>>> nightmares about my
>>>> > experiences,
>>>> > and don't talk about them very often. The
>>>> decision to go to war has to be
>>>> > taken very seriously. People talking about body
>>>> counts like your counting
>>>> > cord
>>>> > wood makes me sick. Take a walk through a
>>>> veterans hospital sometime and
>>>> > meet
>>>> > some of the walking dead. Your thoughts on war
>>>> will change, I guarantee
>>>> > it.
>>>> > War isn't good for any living thing.
>>>> > Time to step off the soap box and mix a drink.
>>>> Coke has a new Diet Coke
>>>> > made
>>>> > with Splenda. No more Nutrasweet poisoning. Yeah!
>>>> >
>>>> > Rummy
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