[Rhodes22-list] stirring the hornet's nest.... (political) - John Murtha chimes in

Thu Nov 17 08:33:34 EST 2005

Saroj,

Murtha voted to go to war, then as early as Fall of
2003, gave a joint press conference with Pelosi
condeming the conduct of the war.  One of his beefs
was that the Pentagon wasn't answering his letters. 
Maybe he isn't as respected as he thinks.  He called
for troop withdrawals in the Spring of 2004 so CNN
hardly has a scoop.  With Bush at new lows in the
polls and the Iraq war losing support, expect a lot
more in Congress to jump on the withdrawal bandwagon. 
They were all for war when the public sentiment was
behind it.  Are they following their real gut
instincts or like sheep, following the polls?  Even
former President Clinton is testing the waters on the
anti-war front,  though this is in complete opposition
to a multitude of speeches and statements he made
during his administration.  Thank goodness these
spineless cowards weren't around during D-Day.  We'd
have pulled out at the first hedgerow.

Brad

--- Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:

> John Murtha from PA, highly respected (by the
> Pentagon) is right now calling 
> for a complete withdrawal of U.S. troops in Iraq....
> on CNN.
> 
> Saroj
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "brad haslett" <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stirring the hornet's
> nest.... (political)
> 
> 
> > Wally,
> >
> > The Iraq war is so politized that one has to
> research
> > many diverse sources, including first hand
> information
> > like that from your neiphew, to find out what is
> > really going on.  In all due respect, your neiphew
> is
> > looking at one small piece of the pie, however,
> his
> > observations are echoed by others looking at that
> same
> > small slice.  Progress is being made in terms of
> > school openings, electricity grids being restored
> > beyond pre-war status, clean drinking water, etc.
> > But, the biggest gains are being made in
> > self-government.  The Sunnis didn't take to the
> street
> > with weapons in anticipation of the vote on a new
> > constitution, THEY REGISTERED TO VOTE.  How
> quickly we
> > forget those images of millions of purple fingers.
>  To
> > suggest that democracy can't work in Iraq, or any
> > Muslim country, dooms a billion people to a life
> of
> > dictators and tyranny.  What are the alternatives?
> > Fourteen of nineteen 9/11 attackers came from one
> of
> > the wealthiest nations in the region with a
> massive
> > welfare state.  As a general rule, democracies
> don't
> > attack other democracies.  Now as to the current
> > debate in Congress, several members have developed
> > amnesia about their earlier positions because a
> new
> > political season is upon us.  This is shameful. To
> > suggest that they were duped by a President that
> they
> > imply is "dumb as a box of rocks" would imply that
> > they didn't do their due diligence before voting.
> > Setting a time specific schedule for withdrawal is
> > ludicrous.  All the insurgents have to do is wait
> out
> > the withdrawal and make their move.  THIS IS
> EXACTLY
> > WHAT HAPPENED IN VIETNAM.  They no doubt have read
> > their history books and study the political
> landscape
> > in the US as well.
> >
> > I apologize for once more resorting to "windy"
> > references, as you would describe them, however,
> here
> > is a video of a speech that is worth reviewing.
> Was he
> > lying?
> >
> >
> http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/11/16/clintoniraq/
> >
> > Here is an interesting article on WMD's.
> >
> >
>
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20154
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >> Like Slim I would rather hear your opinion not
> the
> >> windy words of others.
> >> You make some valid points along with
> speculation.
> >> It seems clear to me that
> >> our leaders (the whole nation) were scared after
> 911
> >> and we had to do
> >> something. Bush had been itching to go after Irag
> >> long before 911. Many of
> >> our leaders (from both sides) showed how limited
> >> their thinking realy is.
> >> They did not know what else to do so we attacked
> >> Iraq. I am not so sure that
> >> Bush lied just to help out Haliburton. I think he
> >> rushed into this without
> >> taking the time to make certain we had the facts.
> >> Picking a fight is easy.
> >> Figuring out aternative solution requires skills
> >> that Bush just does not
> >> have.
> >>
> >> I will also add that many of the so called
> >> insurgents are from Iraq. My
> >> Nephew recently returned from a year in Iraq
> under
> >> private contract. His
> >> mission was to help train the Iraqui Police
> force.
> >> You wouldn't believe how
> >> poorly this is going. He is a gun-ho ex Army
> Ranger
> >> and I respect his
> >> opinion. By the way he just got the word last
> week,
> >> he starts his new job
> >> with the FBI March 06.
> >>
> >> One day we will learn that if a country doesn't
> ask
> >> for our help we
> >> shouldn't force it upon them. Seems to me there
> is a
> >> better way to help them
> >> blowing the crap out of people.
> >>
> >> Wally
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> >> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stirring the
> hornet's
> >> nest.... (political)
> >> >Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:01:08 -0800 (PST)
> >> >
> >> >Wally, Rummy, et al,
> >> >
> >> >What the hell, our Gulfport attorney won't be in
> >> her
> >> >office for another hour so why not entertain
> myself
> >> >with this?
> >> >
> >> >Rummy, you accuse me of chest thumping and then
> go
> >> on
> >> >to beat your own.  I can hear it all the way to
> >> >Tennessee.  Read the rest of your post and get
> back
> >> to
> >> >me on that issue.  Re-read my disclaimer on
> >> Buchanan.
> >> >He is not one of my favorites but that doesn't
> mean
> >> he
> >> >isn't dead on from time to time.  I quote the
> >> >Clinton's when they are correct on issues, my
> >> personal
> >> >distaste for Billy which dates back to long
> before
> >> he
> >> >was President notwithstanting.  Argue the
> message,
> >> not
> >> >the messenger.  I couldn't agree more on the
> fiscal
> >> >responsibility issues and that is why Bush is in
> >> such
> >> >trouble with some elements of GOP - like me.
> >> >
> >> >Wally, I thought I made it clear that I was
> pressed
> >> >for time and didn't want to engage in a point
> for
> >> >point debate with Slim, but this shouldn't take
> >> long.
> >> >
> >> >"First the tyranny of Saddam. This is no reason
> to
> >> >invade a sovereign state.The US has ignored or
> even
> >> >supported so many tyrants I can't count 'em. 
> But
> >> just
> 
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