175 genoa Re: [Rhodes22-list] thanks for replies

[Mary Lou Troy]

Dan,
I sympathize with you on ice-out. I lived for a year in Burlington, VT and 
loved it except in April when there was still ice in all the coves of Lake 
Champlain. Where will you do most of your sailing? We visit VT every year 
for the Champlain Valley Festival in Kingsland Bay (south of Burlington). 
Have been talking about bringing our boat for many years but just can't 
bear to take a couple of extra vacation days pull her in the middle of 
sailing season. Maybe after I retire.

Your question made me go back to "Sailing Small" to see what I had said 
about the 175. I said it's "a lovely sail from 5 to 10 knots but the 
sailcloth is so heavy that it collapses on itself in lighter air and 
chop."  The key here is 5 knots. At 5 knots and flat water the sail works 
really well. At 4 knots with lots of powerboat chop it's not very good at 
all. We get a lot of 4 knot days on the Chesapeake. On weekends from June 
through August, we never have flat water - too many powerboats. At 6 - 7 
knots the 175 will take you through powerboat chop. At 8 knots it's the 
best sail in the world for a Rhodes 22.  At 10 -12 knots (which on the Bay 
is usually gusting higher) we start reefing. We've sailed just fine in 20 
knots with the reefed 175 and main.

Several years ago when we started talking about replacing our old GBI 
furler with a more modern unit, we started talking about what to do with 
the genoa. We still haven't sprung for the furler (it will be a Schaeffer 
that allows us to change sails) - we do everything slow. Fred thought we 
might want to have it cut down to a 150. My thought is that we ought to 
keep it as it is great for those 5 to 10 knot days and get a 110 or 130 
that would furl better for higher winds. Still no decision, the discussion 
is ongoing.

The one decision we did make was to add the Doyle UPS sail 
(http://www.rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) which is a great sail for 
extremely light air (< 5 knots) and can be flown like a cruising spinnaker 
or even upwind in moderate air. This has proved to be extremely useful with 
the very light air on the Chesapeake. Note that the order form on the 
website is a couple of years old so the pricing may be out of date.

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Ft. Washington, PA / Swan Creek, MD



At 08:58 PM 11/19/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Mary Lou,
>
>I ran out to the bookstore and got a copy of Sailing Small....read chapter 
>5 this afternoon.  I have a new Rhodes being built currently scheduled for 
>May delivery here in NH in May...hopefully the ice is out by then.
>
>I visited Stan in NC last week...still plenty of time for choices.  Like 
>Ron, I have no experience with portable toilets, although I know pump out 
>facilities are few to non existent on most of our major lakes here, except 
>for Champlain and a few others.
>
>I also was interested in your comments in Sailing Small with regards to 
>the 175 genoa.  I thought the Rhodes did well in light air but your 
>comments suggest the thing tends to collapse on itself in the light 
>stuff.  Works real well in the 10 to 12 range and is quickly too much in 
>heavier air. Makes we wonder if I should ask Stan for something smaller.
>
>Anyhow, I enjoyed every word in Chapter 5....after my visit in NC last 
>week, I could easily relate your walkthrough of the boat to what I 
>remembered. Thanks
>
>Dan
>New London, NH
>
>p.s.  we moved here from the western suburbs of Philly.  Almost wish I 
>still lived there after reading your comments about the Chesapeake.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mltroy at verizon.net>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] thanks for replies
>
>
>>Ron & Jay,
>>We'd be interested in a get-together depending on the timing. We're a 
>>little further away but are happy to drive down that way or invite y'all 
>>up here. Ron,  Fretless is in the backyard if any of the discussion 
>>requires an actual boat to be present.
>>
>>Mary Lou
>>1991 R22 Fretless
>>Ft. Washington, PA / Swan Creek, MD
>>
>>At 04:39 PM 11/18/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Ron-
>>>You have a couple of Rhodies nearby if you wanted to get together - I
>>>split my time between Narberth & LBI, Sheldon Green is in Wynnewood,
>>>and we'd both be glad to meet if you wanted.
>>>Jay
>>>
>>>On Nov 18, 2005, at 2:48 PM, eroncol at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi
>>>>Ed K., I do exist.  Been busy and not always near a computer.
>>>>Sorry about the delay.  Thanks to you, Mary Lou, Steve Hemphill and
>>>>Russell Miller for your responses.
>>>>I live in Wynnewood, PA, Mary Lou.  I must get hold of your chapter
>>>>in "Sailing Small."   Thanks for the references Ed.  I will look at
>>>>them.  I already see abut the differing opinions, answers and
>>>>facts,  though each of you say newer is better.  Actually that is
>>>>true of your comments re boat and motor.
>>>>I've used marine head but never have used a porta-potti. Seems
>>>>there are differences of opinion both about enclosed head and about
>>>>porta-potti versus marine head.  Why prefer the porta-potti?  I
>>>>assume as Ed says, that this may be in the archives.   I will look.
>>>>Looks like I've got some thinking to do.  And some talking to Stan.
>>>>                                Ron Coleman
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