[Rhodes22-list] (political) response to Herb

[Cheryl O'Grady]

do you consider Clinton a draft dodger?  how many deferments did he have?
I do have a beef with those who used family influence to "cut in line," so to speak, ahead of people with not quite so much political influence; didn't I read somewhere that if Bush's father weren't who he was, his score on the pilot's test wasn't enough to get him to be a pilot?  of course, I don't really know what criteria they use to determine priority in taking people into the guard.

I mostly have a beef with people who didn't fight, who actively sought to avoid the fighting, getting us into this big, giant, sucking  cesspool called Operation Iraqi Freedom.  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] (political) response to Bob Skinner's post
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:34 -0600

> 
> Is it your asertion that those that served in the National Guard instead of
> vietnam were ALL "draft dodgers"?  Is it further your assertion that
> thosethat ttok advantage of exisisting deferrments were "draft dodgers"?
> finally, do you consider Bill Clinton a "draft dodger"?
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> ..... Original Message .......
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:11:28 -0600 "Cheryl O'Grady"
> <cheryl.ogrady at mail.com> wrote:
> > Bob,
> > I found your post very interesting, particularly the conclusion that we
> need more troops to close the borders.
> >
> > Believe it or not, because I never supported the invasion of Iraq, I think
> we need to send more troops in to get the job finished so we can get out
> and go home.  See, once they decided to do it, they should have done it
> right.  My heart goes out to the troops who feel we don't support them.  I
> do, and so do most who are against the war.  I don't advocate an immediate
> pullout, that would be wrong, for all the guys who died or were maimed
> during service there, and also for the civilians who would be left in the
> middle of a vicious civil war.  We broke it, we need to fix it.  We just
> had no business going in in the first place.
> >
> > How do you suggest that people who are against the war should express
> their dissent and dissatisfaction in such a way as to honor the people
> doing the fighting while dumping porta-potti contents on the draft-dodgers
> who got us in there in the first place?  Oh, sorry, those were deferments,
> weren't they, and daddy-connected reserve jobs....not draft-dodging.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stirring the hornet's nest.... (political)
> 	-JohnMurtha chimes in
> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:09:14 -0500
> >
> >>
> >> Mike -
> >>
> >> What do you think of this?  It showed up in my inbox, unsolicited,
> >> but may be valid.  I trust no source any more, except friends who
> >> are coming back, and each of them has a necessarily limited view
> >> of the conflict/situation.
> >>
> >> How does it square with what you are hearing?
> >>
> >> Do you have an opinion about whether we should pull out?
> >> Or should we send in enuf troops to seal borders?
> >> Do we have enuf force to seal borders?
> >>
> >> /Bob
> >>
> >> > The following is a report from a grunt in Iraq and is something that
> will
> >> > almost never be shown on the left leaning news networks.
> >> >
> >> > Subject: Report From Down Range
> >> >
> >> > This was sent to me a West Coast USAR CW3 who got it from a Semper Fi,
> UAL
> >> > retired, east coast type.
> >> >
> >> > Hello to all my fellow gunners, military buffs, veterans and interested
> >> > guys. A couple of weekends ago I got to spend time with my son Jordan,
> who
> >> > was on his first leave since returning from Iraq. He is well (a little
> >> > thin), and already bored. He will be returning to Iraq for a second
> tour in
> >> > early 06 and has already re-enlisted early for 4 more years. He loves
> the
> >> > Marine Corps and is actually looking forward to returning to Iraq.
> >> >
> >> > Jordan spent 7 months at Camp Blue Diamond in Ramadi. Aka: Fort
> Apache. He
> >> > saw and did a lot and the following is what he told me about weapons,
> >> > equipment, tactics and other miscellaneous info which may be of
> interest to
> >> > you.
> >> >
> >> > Nothing is by any means classified. No politics here, just a Marine
> with a
> >> > birds eye views opinions:
> >> >
> >> > 1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the
> talcum
> >> > powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says you
> feel
> >> > filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4 carbine
> version is
> >> > more popular because its lighter and shorter, but it has jamming
> problems
> >> > also. They like the ability to mount the various optical gunsights and
> >> > weapons lights on the picattiny rails, but the weapon itself is not
> great in
> >> > a desert environment.
> >> >
> >> > They all hate the 5.56mm (.223) round. Poor penetration on the
> cinderblock
> >> > structure common over there and even torso hits cant be reliably
> counted on
> >> > to put the enemy down. Fun fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents
> shows a
> >> > high level of opiate use.
> >> >
> >> > 2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): .223 cal. Drum fed light
> machine
> >> > gun. Big thumbs down. Universally considered a piece of shit. Chronic
> >> > jamming problems, most of w
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